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Ahh, That's More Like It

April 8, 2009 2:45 AM

No, the sky is not falling.

It's still hanging up there, floating on a cushion of pressurized air. And tonight, beneath its Glorious Grayness, beat the heart of a team that said, "We will win tonight." Then they did.

Sweetest words of spring: "Twins win."

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It was another night when some might have thought twice about going to the game if it had been outdoors. In fact, Pat Neshek wants you to know that the players actually will miss the place for some very specific and plausible reasons.

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In fact, I know that plenty of fans have not actually jumped on board the new ballpark bandwagon. They don't want to bundle up. They don't want to put on sun screen. They don't want to watch World Series highlights on the scoreboard during a rain delay.

They will come around. Or not. Doesn't matter. The Season of Goodbye is now well underway.

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TIWMATM

As mentioned yesterday, as a tribute to the old gray mare, I'm going to try and think of 81 Things I Won't Miss About The Metrodome (one per home game).

Thus, TIWMATM #2: Revolving doors.

Those are a crazy-ass thing to put on a ballpark, don't you think? I mean, ballparks should have great big gates that swing open at the end of the game to let fans stream out in either elation or despair. But stream is the optimal word here. There's no streaming out a revolving door.

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That warning sign doesn't mention anything about the potential for bludgeoning or limb removal by the revolving doors...

But there very nearly was bloodshed last night at the one I passed through. It was moving at about Mach 2 when two of us tried to get into it at the same time. I won, she lost. But we both nearly got squished, and it would not have been pretty...

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Instrument of evil.

Returning for a moment to last night's TIWMATM -- the sound system -- I probably don't have to say any more for you to know what I mean, but I'm going to.

There we were in section 233, row 21. That is one of those spots where the speakers are trained like a laser, and you get the full force of their nasal noisiness.

Basically, you can forget about having a conversation between innings (and I refuse to have meaningful conversation while someone is trying to hit, pitch or field). The sound seems to get louder every year, and somehow also more obnoxious. (This is separate from the ratcheting up of the general obnoxiousness of the promotions.)

Is it louder? Does anyone know? I mean, my hearing continues to deteriorate as I age, but the Dome continues to sound louder and louder. Are they trying to make up for the likelihood that we all lost a little bit of our hearing in there last summer?

If that sound system hasn't been tuned recently, it's about time. Modern digital technology can do a lot more with those crummy speakers than is being done now. It would certainly be possible to create a mix that is present but not deafening. That should be the goal. MSFC? Hello?

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But why am I yammering? You didn't come here to listen to me going on and on. You want pictures. I know it. Here they are:

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Click on this photo to see what it looked like on this spot 101 years ago (I'm not kidding)

Long ago I wrote about the history of the ballpark site. Back then I had no idea that the plaza would be stretching up from the old rail yard toward Target Center. So I didn't even bother checking the block on which the plaza would sit.

Well it turns out that that very block was, for decades, the site of the City Market, now known as the Farmer's Market.

In fact, trains carrying produce would come into the yard where the playing field now will be, and people would simply walk out to a box car and pick out what they wanted to buy.

I know it has nothing to do with baseball, but the connection with an earlier era's primary type of commerce seems somehow appropriate. (Click the above image to see the 1908 view from a warehouse that used to sit where the A ramp is now. It's a view of the very block on which the plaza is being built.)

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More tomorrow.

RIP Gameday?

Last night I searched and searched, but there were no Gameday scorecard vendors to be found. So I broke down and handed a buck to The Man (actually, it was a rather young-looking girl) only to find that it was stuffed with Gameday-brand analysis.

I checked their web site for some explanation, but none was forthcoming. Did they give up? Sell out? Cut a deal?

As one of their founding advertisers, I'm very curious. Anyone know?

Thanks for stopping by today!

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Under the stairs to the skyway, they cut out the wall to Ramp B. Will that a a pedestrian entrance too?

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 06:47 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 1

rick, thanks for investigating and sharing the history not only of the twins organization throughout all of this stadium building but also of the city itself. this site's content is far more enjoyable than that which the local news gives. this place is gonna sing, baby, and those of us that've followed this blog since its inception owe you a lot of cred. well done.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:06 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 2

Rick: I believe Aaron Gleeman had a bit about the Gameday Scorecards several weeks ago. I can't remember the exact details other than I believe John Bonnes aka The Twins Geek now produces it in partnership with the Twins. I'd email Gleeman and/or TG for the nitty gritty.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:16 AM by Max Highlight this comment 3

Rick,

According to the Twins press release of "What's new for 2009 seasib"....

GameDay Programs - The Twins have completed a new partnership with Letter High Publishing - the publishers of GameDay Programs. Letter High Publishing will now provide content for team scorecards to be included in all Twins Magazines or sold separately for $1.

Click on link to view entire release.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:19 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 4

That should say "What's new for 2009 season"

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:20 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 5

Hey...does anyone know when they will start to install the seats and where they will start installing them?

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:37 AM by Erik Highlight this comment 6

it is just so cool to see this park emerge on the landscape. bike up the river parkway, look to your left, and there it is, looking good in only a half finished condition. you can even see the canopy and lights from 35w heading south as you enter the city.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:52 AM by tim Highlight this comment 7

Vikeologist, yeah that was me and my brothers.

i think we would have been fine if we didn't go by the windows where the elevators are to get a view of the backside of the trapizodal bleachers; they saw us on the cameras. I wasn't too surprised when the guard told us that we aren't allowed to hang around the ramp, but i was like 'what the hell' when he told us we aren't suppose to have cameras. he stayed there until i put the camera away and until he knew we were leaving. so we moved the car down a few levels and walked down to the street.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:52 AM by pawelk Highlight this comment 8

sounds like a power trip to me! don't those dufuses know that is why movies like "Paul Blart: Mall Cop" are funny? Ask him why they don't let him carry a gun next time and I'll bet he gets a little sensitive.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 09:00 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 9

i've never once been hassled by security at the ramps, may be that whenever i'm down there on my lunch break, i'm wearing a tie...

i've not seen any articles or complaints this week about not having a roof next year. i guess the cold sun is blocking those thoughts for the nay-sayers.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 09:20 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 10

pawelk, yeah i was there taking pictures as well, and I saw you guys there. You can get a better view from the ramp on some of the lower levels. The wall on the upper level of the ramp is too high to see anything.

I never saw security there, I must have gotten lucky. That is sad that they wont let fans take pictures.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 09:46 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 11

"Paul Blart: Mall Cop" was funny?

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 09:47 AM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 12

AC try reading the comments on some of the articles in recent days at either the Strib or Pioneer Press. Some of those idiots can be found over there. Part of me wants to refer some of them to this site, so they can gain some knowledge about the subject, the better part of me knows not to. We don't need their kind trolling Rick's site.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 09:52 AM by Brad Highlight this comment 13

Heres a artical about outdoor home openers from back at the met...its not a slam on TF so its a fun lil read

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 09:58 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 14

I can't wait for it to be 40 degrees in April, this way when I drive from northern Minnesota I can get better seats from the fans who weren't fans between 1994 and 2001 and now go to games so they can start waves and play with beach balls.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 10:16 AM by ManBearPig Highlight this comment 15

Thats funny there was atleast 5 beach balls going during the game in the homerun porch, same color and size i think it must have been the same kids...

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 10:22 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 16

The wave has to be the worst fan tradition in sports. Very, very annoying and I always refuse to stand for it.

I have heard rumors that it actually originated at the Metrodome (can anyone confirm or deny this?). It had better NOT move over to Target Field. This is a baseball game not Amateur Hour. Leave the wave to the Vikings if need be...

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 10:56 AM by Max Highlight this comment 17

Vikeologist,

yeah we were all over the ramp getting different views from the various levels. the wall is high, but when we stood on the bumper and leaned on the ledge, we had a great view of the ballpark. we were talking about that it wouldn't be a bad spot to watch a game (ala roof top seats across from wrigley)

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:14 AM by pawelk Highlight this comment 18

John Bonnes explained the GameDay situation on Twinsgeek.com a few weeks ago... Gameday writers have teamed up with the Twins to provide the written content for the Official Twins Scorecard. Article here:

http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2009/03/respecting-game.html

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 06:36 AM by Neil Fennell Highlight this comment 19

Rick, gameday is an official part with the twins. check out the announcement: http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2009/03/respecting-game.html

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 08:21 AM by Jens Highlight this comment 20

I'm planning on heading down to Target Field sometime in the next few days, anything I need to be aware of? (I don't really understand what the deal is with the security at the ramp)

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:22 AM by BB Highlight this comment 21

Maybe they built the administration building in left field so it would serve as a barrior for killing the wave.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM by ManBearPig Highlight this comment 22

BB,

Just keep an eye open, stay away from the elevator's, they have camera's in there. What I love to do is drive to the top of the ramp and back up against the wall overlooking the ballpark. Standing on your bumper get's a great view of the stadium.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:34 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 23

Max, ditto on the wave, it has to be the stupidest thing ever(aside from Vin Diesel).

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 24

manbearpig, in Houston we have almost all of left center without seats and it fails to kill the wave.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:42 AM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 25

absolutely agree on the beachballs manbearpig

I remember bringing that topic up about this time last year on this site and getting shouted down about it. So annoying to have the game keep getting paused because some drunken tards in the cheap seats would rather play volleyball than watch a game.

Hoping a regular breeze prevents the volleyball phenomenon at Target Field. Sadly, the wave will always exist as long as people who don't really like baseball go to baseball games.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:49 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 26

I think that the steepness and shallowness of the outfield pavilions, together with wind, could slow down the beach ball crowd.

Also, unlike the Dome, there actually won't be that many people out there. Finding the guy who brought the beach balls will be a whole lot easier.

I am afraid, however, that the wave is eternal.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM by Rick 27

Thanks Camden! Can't wait to get down there

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:10 PM by BB Highlight this comment 28

I thought I saw an interview during last nights game where they mentioned that some seat installation might begin this spring sometime which might be pretty quick anyone else see that during the game perhaps as well.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:11 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 29

I actually just finished my second game as a Twins usher last night ...(season tickets aren't the only way into Target Field next year)... and had one in my section last night. We are actually trained on beach ball procedures, being told to just go to the bottom step and wait for it to come to you. Always does. It looked like one snuck thru last night...for the record not my fault.

Also, if I had any power to eject the wave-starting fan each game, I would kick their junk to Huberts in 10 seconds. But unfortunately I cannot. Sorry all, WIN TWINS!

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 30

The wave has certainly jumped the shark, but I have seen it done in the right setting and it looks pretty sweet. You need a SINGLE BOWL, WITHOUT INTERRUPTION, and 110,000 people. It doesn't work in baseball - every park has some discontinuity in the seating deck. And even for football, the upper/lower deck split throws it off.

Michigan Stadium, however, throws a useful wave. The fact that it's one single continuous bowl makes it work. The student section also slows the wave down to a crawl, and speeds it up, which is fun to watch as it travels around the house. They'll even send one in the opposite direction, which will cross paths with the original wave...I can't imagine a Twins' crowd could ever pull off any such coordination.

There's nothing cool about the volleyball, however. It simply says, "I'd rather be elsewhere than paying attention to this game."

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:21 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 31

What do you guys think those mysterious packages/piles of stuff in the RF upperdeck are? I hoping for something seat-related!!

The only downside to the incredible suspense of waiting to see what those things are is that it makes webcam 2 relevant again...

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:25 PM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 32

I wish there was a better timeline for some items getting installed. Things like the seats, scoreboards, walls, gate numbers of the greats, etc...

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 33

Seats are going to be installed starting in May...

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM by Max Highlight this comment 34

Hmmmmmm? I'm guessing either the railings or the seats/armrests. You're right Margaret, webcam 2 just got a little more interesting.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 35

#26 CHS should go up anytime in the next day or two. Keep your eyes on the webcam folks!

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 36

JohnK

I am gonna look for you during my next game and slip u a beer

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 1:00 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 37

Locker,

Are you going to give an award for the first person to notice the seats? Winner also gets to visit Kevin in Arizona to chase some rattlesnakes.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 38

It looks to me like the piles appeared as the scaffolding came down. It may just be that the piles are the scaffold all wrapped up for easier transport to the next part of the canopy.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 39

love that the Twins brought gameday in to the operation... better product, better price, made by the fans ostensibly... every once in awhile, things happen the way you hope they will...

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 1:28 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 40

That's a good point other guy.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 1:41 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 41

Rick, I agree with you that some fans will not want to give up the Dome. But there are a lot of us who hate watching baseball in the dome, and who want to watch some outdoor baseball, dammit. I plan to attend more games at TF than I ever did at the Dome. The Twins will do no worse than break even on this.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 1:45 PM by Dave T Highlight this comment 42

I agree with Dave T. I've said no to free tickets in the past because of the dome but now I can't wait to see baseball outside.

I think it will kind of be like the Wild, even if we suck we'll still pack the place. But we SHOULD have a pretty good team next year.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 43

Hey Rick are we still going to get your thoughts on how the plaza will connect with First Avenue and why that old Met flag pole actually may have found it's best possible home up there. I still like my idea of that area by the pro shop for the flag pole. Thanks for the updates, its greatly appreciated!!

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 44

Webcam 2 showing another ribbon board going in RF next to the plaza?

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 45

Guys,
I'm actually kinda sad right now. In about 4-5 months, this place will have real grass installed, seats will be in place, and the scoreboard will be pretty much done. What am I going to do with my time while I wait all winter for the start of opening day 2010. We may need a support group to get started up next fall.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 46

In that 1908 photo, there's a brown building towards the left-hand side of the picture. Is that Butler Square? Looks an awful lot like the current building, but just different enough in some of the window patterns that I can't be sure.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 47

Yes, that is the Butler Warehouse (now known as Butler Square) in the old photo. Seventh Street is the main street visible, and the skinny warehouse on the far left is about where the Pro Shop is now.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 5:32 PM by Rick 48

I think some of you might be disappointed by the fact that outdoor games will attract EVERYONE, not just die-hard baseball junkies like most of the folks here. You might find a few more drunks that couldn't tell you the name of either team on the field and several more beachballs, I'm just sayin'... the chance to sit outside in nice weather with beer and peanuts is all it will take for some people.

and dammit, thanks alot for calling me out on Mall Cop, thank god I can truthfully claim I haven't seen it but it did do well in theaters? I guess that doesn't necessarily = funny.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 49

This is something that I've wondered about for a while now. Most ballparks have some sort of grand entrance hall behind home plate, but TF does not. Was it a space issue, is the plaza in right field supposed to be the "grand entrance" to the park, or did the designers just choose to go with something different with the restaurant (or whatever it is) that is there? Personally, this is the only thing that I really don't care for in the overall design of TF.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 50

Locker,

I was thinking the same thing..i sure as hell dont want to go back to working while sitting in my cube 8 hours a day.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 7:28 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 51

Billy,

The plaza is supposed to be the main entrance. How many people would really be coming from the HERC side anyways? There's not much back there - all the bars, parking, etc are to the downtown side. Why draw more attention to the "neighborhood" with a grand entrance?

Also, there are other ballparks without the main entry at home plate. In Washington, most people enter though the outfield plaza, because it's the one close to the metro stop. Atlanta not only has a large plaza in the outfield, but I believe they don't have a public entrance at all behind home plate.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM by Dodgeboy Highlight this comment 52

aren't those revolving doors supposed to keep the air inside the dome to keep the thing inflated?
and, i thought we only entered through the revolving doors, we exit through the glass doors - with the 90-horse fans that blow warm air on everybody going out.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM by ByeByeMetrodome Highlight this comment 53

We only get to exit through the big glass doors if someone overpowers "the guards". They say that if all the doors were open at once the dome would deflate. The warm air blowing out is actually the pressure being released from inside the dome. God, that place sucks. I was at opening night, sitting in upper club. I couldn't believe my 25 dollar seats could be so cramped and uncomfortable. The worst thing about the dome is that they keep raising ticket prices on such a lousy venue. Well, maybe we could think of a few others. Enough complaining though--To the future!

I love the skin on the canopy. Looks like the ship from The Flight of the Navigator (most people born around the same time as the dome should know what I'm talking about). As for the entrance, I PREFER the outfield as the main enterance. This way you get a view of the entire park as you walk up to it. That to me is just so cool. TF will be much more open to the city than so many other ballparks. Also, I'm sure space was an issue.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 10:40 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 54

You best belive that i over power the guards! its fun.... im sorry!

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 10:59 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 55

No need to be sorry. The rest of us appreciate when we can get out in 20 minutes instead of 40.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 56

Oh dear God, Duluth. I love Flight of the Navigator. Easily one of the top five child-running-a-spaceship movies of all time. Oh, and good win tonight. The HomerDome finally lives up to its name for the Hometown Nine.

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 57

Looks like Old man Sid forgot to take his pills again, Click

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 07:13 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 58

Maz,

I am the one that you will have to overcome if you're going out the push doors! And in that case, you better expect to slip me at least two beers. I was in sec 135 Mon and Tue, and I work again next Tuesday...don't be a liar.

For those of you who aren't familiar with the science behind the doors, DuluthTim is right. The revolving doors help stabilize the air pressure so the roof stays up. If we just opened all doors at once that would allow everyone to get out a heck of a lot faster (and in a more jet engine-simulator style which is about the only redeeming factor of the facility) but then you can expect that the next day's game will be postponed due to teflon deflation. There is a guy who gets paid to sit in the bowels of the dome monitoring air pressure. That's his only job. When you see that a door is open at the next game you all attend, you can know that the instruction came from him, and the ushers are just doing what he says. The thing is, when one door opens on one side, a door immediately across from it also needs to open to keep a balance, so it's a big deal.

On Tuesday we actually opened four of the push doors at Gate H. So there.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 08:49 AM by JohnK (gatekeeper) Highlight this comment 59

Mazaratirick,

Thanks for the article, funny read. However the article wasn't the worst of it, the comments people wrote were unbelievable. So many people complaining about no roof, the garbage stench, rain outs/snow outs, and that they will not go to any games. WELL GOOD THEN DON'T GO!!! Look at all of the other cities that have stadiums with no roofs, and similar weather: New York, Boston, Philidelphia, Colorado, Chicago, and as one report showed the very simialr Pittsburgh. We will all survive, and if the people from out of town are worried about a rain/snow out, do your research before you go to a game.

I went to The Ballpark in Arlingtion (refuse to call it what it is now) in 1994. I was 11 and had endured multiple Dome games to that point with no complaints. My uncle brought us out to a game in Texas, and we got there and about 2 innings into it, the rain started to pour, and called a rain delay. My uncle,aunt,mom,and cousins were all bummed, but here I was just in awe of the rain, the grounds crew, the tarps, and the eventual cancelling of the gamer after waiting an hour. We ended up going to the next game the next night, and it was sunny and beautiful. Since that day I could not wait for outdoor baseball!

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 09:15 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 60

Mazaratirick,

Thanks for the article, funny read. However the article wasn't the worst of it, the comments people wrote were unbelievable. So many people complaining about no roof, the garbage stench, rain outs/snow outs, and that they will not go to any games. WELL GOOD THEN DON'T GO!!! Look at all of the other cities that have stadiums with no roofs, and similar weather: New York, Boston, Philidelphia, Colorado, Chicago, and as one report showed the very simialr Pittsburgh. We will all survive, and if the people from out of town are worried about a rain/snow out, do your research before you go to a game.

I went to The Ballpark in Arlingtion (refuse to call it what it is now) in 1994. I was 11 and had endured multiple Dome games to that point with no complaints. My uncle brought us out to a game in Texas, and we got there and about 2 innings into it, the rain started to pour, and called a rain delay. My uncle,aunt,mom,and cousins were all bummed, but here I was just in awe of the rain, the grounds crew, the tarps, and the eventual cancelling of the gamer after waiting an hour. We ended up going to the next game the next night, and it was sunny and beautiful. Since that day I could not wait for outdoor baseball!

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 09:16 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 61

Will be there Monday John...lol with my son.. So no bum rushing the doors for us!

Josh,

The comments are a joke, the people that bi%$h and moan about not having a roof and rainouts and garbage smells are all about none thing.. Anti public funds for stadiums...it’s about the politics of it just like that Colman kook, if the twins paid for this all by themselves they would love the outdoor ballpark with no complaints..

Sid is a fun man to read, he makes me laugh. He must have it in his contract that nobody can proof read is work b4 he posts it cuz there is always spelling mistakes, wrong first names with last names (Joe Cutler instead of Jay Cutler)and his facts are incorrect. Oh and everybody who ever he got a free meal off is his "Close personal friend" loves to name drop.. Has a sports version of "CJ"

For the last 4 years before we got the approval from henn county he would be on WCCO radio beggin listiners to call the powers that be so his buddy pohlad can have a new stadium, I assume hes not as tight with the Pohlad boys now that his buddy has passed Jim must not be comp'in his dinners @ Murrys..

Enough about Sid, sorry guys.. His son was a Hack too.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 10:24 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 62

Game isn't on "local" TV today, however, the fleet of foot should note that they can see the action on the MLB Mix channel 720 on Directv as Seattle's crew is broadcasting the game (you have to watch the small screen out of 8, but it is live nonetheless). Pretty pathetic that the Twins can't show every game on TV during the season.

Sidenote: Does anyone have the MLB app for the iPhone? Looks very promising this season and was wondering if we have any critiques. $9.99 for every game's radio feed plus numerous other features so it is far less than the mlb.tv deal you get online....

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 10:16 AM by Max Highlight this comment 63

John K,
You are a better man than I. As much as we joke about overpowering the guards, you guys do take a lot of abuse. I've seen some terrible things shouted at the poor guy trying to hold two doors shut. There are a lot more of us than there are of you. I salute your courage!

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 10:59 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 64

Here's is my take on the chronology of whining:
Phase 1) Whining now, while the stadium is built
Phase 2) Season one, every time there's a rainout/cold day, loud whining will happen. "SEE I TOLD YOU SO!!"
Phase 3) Season two, the first cold day or two will invoke some whining

Then we get to Phase 4, where nobody whines anymore. By then, all of the complaining will get lost in the happiness created by the new stadium. Those who still want to whine will be told to shut it and watch the game.

So in essence, we probably have about 18 months of solid whining to go. The blog commenters on startribune aren't going to see the light until they've sat inside the stadium, in the sun, "Dome Dog" and beer in hand. Let them whine; they will see the light.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM by other guy Highlight this comment 65

For those with Directv, their website says MLB Extra Innings is free April 6 thru April 12 on channels 720-749. I'll be checking it out especially for today's game.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM by Brad Highlight this comment 66

Here's is my take on the chronology of whining:
Phase 1) Whining now, while the stadium is built
Phase 2) Season one, every time there's a rainout/cold day, loud whining will happen. "SEE I TOLD YOU SO!!"
Phase 3) Season two, the first cold day or two will invoke some whining

Then we get to Phase 4, where nobody whines anymore. By then, all of the complaining will get lost in the happiness created by the new stadium. Those who still want to whine will be told to shut it and watch the game.

So in essence, we probably have about 18 months of solid whining to go. The blog commenters on startribune.com aren't going to see the light until they've sat inside the stadium, in the sun, "Dome Dog" and beer in hand. Let them whine; they will see the light.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM by other guy Highlight this comment 67

Max - I have that iPhone app and it is a fantastic deal for $9.99. I highly recommend it.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 12:13 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 68

Stupid local blackout rules apply. Oh well I'll be watching the mix channel like Max suggested. Thanks Max.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 12:19 PM by Brad Highlight this comment 69

Yea no problem Brad. It isn't ideal, but it is outsmarting the MLB blackout mgmt.

Also, just an FYI for future reference: You can get all the Spring Training games via the Directv Sports Pack ($12/month and cancel/add it at your leisure) each spring. None of these games are blacked out so it is pretty sweet. The Twins, for instance, don't broadcast that many games from Florida. However, Boston (NESN) and New York (YES) have lots of games.

Bottomline: You need a PHD to understand all of the quirks and archaic rules of the MLB blackout policy. I envision a day in the not too distant future where blackouts cease to exist....

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 1:00 PM by Max Highlight this comment 70

Max,
I too have the app and am listening to the game right now...worth every penny and it's been just four days.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 71

Hey Max, dou you happen to know why my mix channel isn't working right now? (at least for the miniature twins game) Is it because they only give you a limited amount of viewing time?

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 1:18 PM by Brad Highlight this comment 72

Nevermind it just came back on.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM by Brad Highlight this comment 73

My work is considering moving our offices to Butler Square. I really hope this goes through, right now we are in south downtown by the Hyatt and I would love to be basically across the street from the new stadium.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 1:29 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 74

The whole thing with moving from the dome to TF reminds me about the Twilight Zone episode with Burgess Meredith. He was an old guy on a bleak planet colony who was the only one who remembered Earth and how beautiful it was. He would tell stories about Earth and how different it was from the planet they were on. When the colony heard they were being rescued and taken back to earth, everyone was excited except for the old man. He wanted to stay and hang on, even hiding when the rescue ship arrived. As he watched the ship take off, leaving him all alone, he realzed how much he wanted to go too, but now was too late. Well the ship is leaving and some won't be able to leave the dome behind, but the rest of us can't wait.

Posted on April 9, 2009 at 1:44 PM by Paul Highlight this comment 75

Mazaratirick never saw the cycle. He was at the game, yes; but, left before Kubel hit the Salami!

Haha!

Posted on April 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM by E. Johnston Highlight this comment 76

In an unrelated topic...how does everyone feel about the look of the limestone? Am I alone when I say, "I can not stand it!"

Just my opinion.

Posted on April 20, 2009 at 1:43 PM by E. Johnston Highlight this comment 77

Yep, grass is going on top of the Target Center. Think they'll have the Bullseye mowed into it by April 2010? The roof will be a huge billboard for them.

Posted on April 21, 2009 at 3:29 PM by Paul Highlight this comment 78

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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."

– Bernie Williams

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Building the canopy is a spectacular sight.









Gate 29 Carew



A flurry of action in front of the dugout before the game (Photo by Jeff Ewer)



Look familiar? Unfortunately, just adding little balconies with cool angles will not offset the pervading ugliness.









Such promise. (Click to enlarge.)



This is the main entry to the Pro Shop. The second entry, located just outside the turnstiles, is indicated by the arrow.






Click on this photo to see what it looked like on this spot 101 years ago (I'm not kidding)



Hey! That limestone looks familiar!



For those not wishing to suffer through my media rant, please enjoy this picture of my lilacs in full bloom.



Upper deck view of the out-of-town scoreboard.






Poles through the gap



Brick work just inside the opening matches the color of the limestone - per Jerry Bell's requirements.



Looking across the top of the B parking ramp. Notice that signage will block any attempts at seeing the game from up there. Also take note of the glassed in area which is part club and part office space for the Ballpark Authority.



Team pennant. (Click to enlarge.)



Click to enlarge.






A walkway begins to form (this is as close as you can get right now)












Shibe Park



That is the gun-metal gray wall of The Stadium just beyond the elevated tracks.



Here's the view from the main concourse out through Gate 3 "Killebrew".









Above the Carew gate



Here's the field of posts which will support the third base side of the grandstand. Some walls have started to appear about where the Northstar riders will enter the park.



Just, wow.






This is a good overview of the spot where the Northstar (bottom) and LRT (top) will intersect.









Red is old Yankee Stadium. This diagram comes from FieldOfSchemes.com



As mentioned earlier, one of the best climate-controlled views of construction is from the 7th floor elevator lobby in the A ramp. (That's Noah getting his first glimpse of the new ballpark.)






Freight trains run in very close proximity (Jerry Bell was standing at my left elbow when I took this picture)



Section A, Row WC



This was actually taken from the top floor of the International Market Square.






Here's a closer look at the bullpen area. It's hard to tell for sure, but I think there is still an opening to the concourse right above.



Sometime in the late 1980s: B ramp is under construction. Not yet built: Target Center, I-394 and the A ramp.



This will be a bar/restaurant.



No offense, TC, but you're pointing exactly the wrong direction if you want people to use the ramp opening to your right...





Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

Selected Bibliography - Analysis
 


(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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