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Blaze of Orange

October 31, 2014 4:28 PM

Whatever you think of the final disposition, the 2014 season went out in a memorable blaze of orange. Best game of the year? You could make that argument. Even if not the best, second likely to another which took place in the past three weeks. This was not the year to wonder why it's called the Fall Classic.

The Royals may have been my team, but Madison Bumgarner is more likely to stick in my memory as the details of this World Series fade into the mists. I'm confident that his performance has become fixed for all time, right next to Sandy Koufax and Jack Morris and the handful of other pitchers who make you think, "This game is so over."

Prior to the game, I said to anyone in my household who could listen (whether they were or not), "When Bumgarner comes in this game, the Royals are done scoring. They better have the lead at that point, or they can forget about the champagne." I suspect that there were many others expressing such sentiments around TVs during the game. You could just smell it in this postseason air.

There are so many great stories on both teams. And as happens every post-season, a new group of names has been permanently etched on the stone tablets of my baseball memory: Pablo Sandoval, Joe Panik, Jarrod Dyson, Nori Aoki, Hunter Pence, Salvador Perez, Billy Butler. Well, I should probably put "permanently" in quotes because, as we all know, it takes a lot to make such etching actually permanent. Josh Beckett got etched back in 2003, but I'd be hard-pressed to name anyone else on that World Series Champion Marlins team. Such is the nature of post-season fame. In the hometowns, more names will be remembered, but the rest will fade into "I think I remember that guy" territory.

Late in the game, the cameras lingered on Bumgarner in the dugout, waiting patiently for his chance to go out and restore the quiet. At moments like this, especially when rooting for the opposing team, I long for the National League rules. No player should be able to sit quietly in the dugout without the potential of being handed a bat as his team makes its way through the order.

But his face was so calm, and his gaze fixed so intently on some unknown spot at Kauffman Stadium. Was it the pitcher's mound? No, he seemed to be looking farther than that. The foul pole? Sweet Baby Ray's Barbeque stand? No, even farther.

The third base dugout in Kansas City faces east, and whether he knew it or not, he was looking toward Cooperstown. If there had been a thought bubble over his head, it probably would/should have read, "Of course I'm going back out there. I'm F-ing Jack Morris."

The other day I wrote that I'd prepared a consolation speech for a first grader who was taking it all pretty seriously. I've realized today that his team selection wasn't quite as arbitrary as I first thought. I'd forgotten that I brought back a souvenir from the Giants ballpark which has become part of his summer identity.

That particular speech has been filed away.

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During the game I recalled the story of Tom Kelly telling Jack Morris in the bottom of the 9th that he wouldn't be going out for the 10th. Jack is said to have told TK words to the effect of "I'm pitching!". TK said "What the hell, it's just a game" and acquiesced.

Posted on October 31, 2014 at 11:56 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 1

I vaguely remember that, yes...lol.
"It's just a game". Priceless.

Posted on November 1, 2014 at 07:27 AM by luke Highlight this comment 2

Molitor expected to be next Twins manager
Surprised there has been zero discussion on BPM this weekend about this.

Posted on November 2, 2014 at 09:42 AM by luke Highlight this comment 3

There hasn't been any discussion of the sun rising in the east either.

Posted on November 2, 2014 at 10:29 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 4

Moilitor's been manager-in-waiting since he was beat out by Gardy for the job in 2002. I don't see how the Twins could do anything else now.

In that way, it's a little like the Mauer contract. Here's hoping this one turns out a little better...

Posted on November 2, 2014 at 2:12 PM by Rick 5

I've watched Molitor work with the young players at spring training for several years. He is not just a big name HOFer, he is a coach and teacher.

Posted on November 2, 2014 at 7:29 PM by terry Highlight this comment 6

But is he a manager?

Posted on November 3, 2014 at 10:45 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 7

Twins Pinstripes, Begone! Gold trim will now be on the wordmark on the front of the uni. I like it! It was time for a revamp. See Link. It looks like the unveiling will be next week.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 09:43 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 8

It's true. Here's a link on the uni change from sportslogos dot net

TTH

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 11:56 AM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 9

guess I just relinked what DeePee did.

Glad they are changing it up. Pinstripes had to go. #nottheyankees

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 11:57 AM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 10

Oh please tell me they are not going back to the pajama look of the '70's, a decade whose fashion sense is symbolized by the leisure suit.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 12:11 PM by terry Highlight this comment 11

Hmm...I don't know how I feel about it.
pinstripes seem to be "baseball". Pinstripes look strange and out of place on other jerseys, i.e. NBA jerseys (i don't think the NFL or NHL has ever had pinstripes). They just looks natural on MLB jerseys.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM by luke Highlight this comment 12

The pinstripes will be back someday. It's the normal ebb and flow of sports uniforms, especially in baseball: wear it for a while, dabble in some retros from time to time to see how everyone reacts, bring it back if they like it, put it on the "occasional use only" retro shelf if they don't.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 13

Is anyone else concerned about the gold as the border of the wordmark?
I am concerned for one reason: Alex from Target (the newest Internet meme).
Don't follow?
Sounds like the "Target"ization of the Twins wordmark.
Am I reading too much into that??

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 3:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 14

Yes

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 4:46 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 15

^ The yes is for reading too much into it.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 5:22 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 16

You're probably right. It was a fleeting thought after a long day.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 5:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 17

I wish they would go back to the road jerseys they had in early 00's with MINNESOTA in block letters (sorta 49er's look) across he front w/ the Mnnie/Paul outfield logo patch on one sleeve and the admittedly boring logo w/ baseball w/ team name (ala Padres. Giants) on the other. I like the Minny/Paul in MN outline patch and add the TC logo on the other shoulder and get away from looking like the Indians road greys. I dont like the MN in script w/ the ribbon underneath. I went to St Cloud State and for awhile they got rid of their tradional logo and went that route to. Then moved it back for most part. Its just boring. Keep it simple but classy. I like the Red Sox rad unis if they insist on keeping grey.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 6:19 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 18

New jerseys represent a nice way to make up for some lost revenue, as well.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 19

If the unveiling is next week, how do you know you like it?

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 10:13 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 20

Pinstripes are tacky and had to go. Not sure about the gold outline though. The updated throwbacks they wore at home during the 2009 season are the best looking jerseys I've seen. I wish they would have stuck with them.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 10:59 PM by FD Highlight this comment 21

I don't know, I get a sinking feeling about Molitor. He's a good trainer/teacher for sure, but I'm not convinced he can lead. He gives me the vide that he doesn't like stepping on toes and is more of a mushy mushy kind of guy.

Still hoping it works out.

Posted on November 4, 2014 at 11:23 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 22

Heard Molitor being interviewed on 1500 yesterday. He talked about his dislike of players sitting out games frequently and pushing them to play nearly every day (while still getting the OCCASIONAL sit and getting some of the bench guys some time). This would be a big change but one for the better.

To me that signals that he isn't afraid to step on some toes and push players to get the most out of their abilities. Will be interesting to see how it plays out once April rolls around.

Posted on November 5, 2014 at 08:11 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 23

In the years leading up to the 2011-2014 meltdown, the Twins' overall record on Sundays was poorer than on other days of the week. Gardenhire played the junior varsity on Sundays (day game after night game - players might implode). Molitor ought to put a giant portrait of Cal Ripken in the clubhouse.

Posted on November 5, 2014 at 09:24 AM by terry Highlight this comment 24

No need for Ripken. They only need look at the manager. He lived it so he can preach it. He dealt with injuries so he knows what that is all about, but he is also #10 on the all time hit list. It's all about getting on the field and using your talents to the fullest.

Posted on November 5, 2014 at 09:40 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 25

I just wonder how those not so subtle swipes at Gardy go over in Twinsville.

Posted on November 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 26

Brunansky is being retained, I just read. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted on November 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 27

Brunansky is the only returnee I'm comfortable with...

Posted on November 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM by Rick 28

Oswaldo Arcia credited Bruno for helping him w/ his swing- so maybe Bruno will help.

Posted on November 6, 2014 at 1:54 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 29

Oh, is that why Arcia made the All Star team this year? Sorry, but the old regime should've been let go. They've all had their chance. What's Molly going to do that hasn't been done the Twins way? It's just been musical chairs since Scotty Ullger. Sorry, but nothing the Twins have done in the past week has given me any hope of improvement. The only hope I do have is in those minor league players, but we've heard that song and seen that dance before.

TTH

Posted on November 6, 2014 at 5:39 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 30

I have to agree. I'm not completely sold on Molitor being a good hire at manager. Hiring from within the organization only invites more of the same. The healing will only happen once the previous staff has been torn out root and branch. Molitor smacks of more of the same, despite what he says at press conferences. As a first-time manager, who's he going to lean on other than Terry Ryan? Ryan was the architect of the old regime. So what will change?

Posted on November 6, 2014 at 7:54 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 31

The Twins had an opportunity to hire a real manager but such was not their goal.

Posted on November 6, 2014 at 11:58 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 32

Who? Maddon? Yeah, I'd have to agree.

Posted on November 7, 2014 at 12:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 33

Some people are starting to sound like this guy (click for link)

Posted on November 7, 2014 at 12:19 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 34

Is it really going to matter if not every person is gone? Or is Brunansky a bad or mediocre coach compared to someone else they could get? Maybe the contamination factor means everyone must go. But in that case Ryan would have to go since he has been general manager so long.

Posted on November 7, 2014 at 1:37 PM by robin Highlight this comment 35

"Maybe the contamination factor means everyone must go."

Which would, of course, include Mollitor.

Posted on November 7, 2014 at 2:40 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 36

First it’s Molitor, then Brunansky. Tomorrow, who knows who else from the old regime will be brought back? Individually, they might be terrific coaches, but collectively, they form a coaching mindset that has failed utterly for the past four years. The more of them that are brought back into the fold, the more likely it is that we’ll see more of the same. Terry Ryan had a chance to start over with an entirely new face for the coaching staff and manager, and so far all we’ve seen are old faces back again. That’s not starting over, that’s merely reshuffling the deck. It failed before, and the chances are good it’ll fail again. I’m thinking Ryan should have been the first to go.

Posted on November 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 37

Please please please get rid of Ullger and Vavra.

Posted on November 7, 2014 at 4:17 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 38

And Anderson too, his incompetence is inexcusable.

Posted on November 7, 2014 at 7:32 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 39

Maybe it goes beyond Ryan? I don't think the Pohlads are willing to put somebody at the GM/president role who will challenge the "Way" (in reality the business plan) because if the wallet ain't broke, don't fix it. We all know that winning is just a perk. Just get to the playoffs and the fans will come back. I am surprised the postseason hasn't expanded to 16 teams for that very reason. Bud....Bud????

TTH

Posted on November 8, 2014 at 09:05 AM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 40

Hasn't Bud now been contracted from the MLB (which would seemingly mean no more major f***-ups for the forseeable future). Thankfully it would seem Bud has nothing more to do with the decision-making process in MLB, including playoff blunders (I THINK Manfreds first official day is Jan 1)?

Posted on November 8, 2014 at 09:16 AM by luke Highlight this comment 41

It's sort of interesting how quietly Selig has departed from the game. Thank goodness we didn't have to go through an elaborate send off at every ballpark in the country.

I'm also wondering whether we'll see any change, and whether there will be any goal to improve "the game" or if the focus will continue to be on the owners.

Posted on November 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 42

I agree on that. It's probably for the better that he's going out with little fanfare. Personally, I don't think Selig has been great during his tenure. Of course I don't know if he was as bad as say, Fay Vincent. But Selig will be remembered most, I believe, for a cancelled WS and an ASG ending in a tie (in his hometown of all places).

I do however think it was fitting that Seligs last ASG was in Minneapolis and TF. Hosted by a team that he almost eliminated from the league. Did he plan it that way? To see the Twins host an ASG in their new ballpark, then retire?? Something I've thought about.

Posted on November 8, 2014 at 4:55 PM by luke Highlight this comment 43

Bud never intended to contract the Twins or Expos. Contraction was a gigantic scam designed to threaten gullible local politicians and fans with what appeared to be a nuclear option unless new stadiums were built for each. The players association has pretty much kicked the collective behinds of MLB and the owners going back decades. The chances that they would have allowed the elimination of all those roster positions and especially the starting positions (because expanding the rosters of the other teams would not have made up for the income from those lost starting jobs) are zero. They'd have sued all concerned parties into the next galaxy while enlisting congressional and judicial support. The Twins were absolutely never in any real jeopardy nor were the Expos. As it happens, the former came alive on the field just as this charade started and got the momentum going for a new ballpark while the latter wound up in Washington.

Posted on November 9, 2014 at 11:03 AM by jorge Highlight this comment 44

twins to update jersey. Not impressed. Link post to follow soon.

Posted on November 9, 2014 at 10:10 PM by Tk Highlight this comment 45

twins jersey update. No more pinstripes and now gold trim. Click name for article. Not impressed. Too much SF influence.

Posted on November 9, 2014 at 10:09 PM by Tk Highlight this comment 46

I like the braiding around the collar and on the sleeves. Nice to get rid of the pinstripes. I wish they would have used the old cursive script, like on the cream throwbacks. Happy for the change, however.

Posted on November 9, 2014 at 11:33 PM by FD Highlight this comment 47

Yuck, just yuck!

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 12:11 AM by gus munger Highlight this comment 48

I don't know if it was just the picture...but "Twins" seemed to be in black. It reminded me of a Giants jersey ; (.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 06:09 AM by luke Highlight this comment 49

I actually like the new Twins jersey. That pic in the Strib really doesn't do it justice. See link for bigger, clearer, picture. Clean, crisp and dare I say, regal? :P

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 08:30 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 50

And now it's official from the Twins website.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 10:06 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 51

Don't care so much as what the uniform looks like. I care a lot more about who will be wearing them.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 10:35 AM by Jfh Highlight this comment 52

I suppose they have to make the team look exciting somehow. But A better product on the field would be A better way to go.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 11:35 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 53

I saw this happening back in Sep. Twins need a new way to infuse cash since it wont be happening at box office as Ryan recycles his annual "we are poised to make a push for 20--(add 1-2 years from current year) but that doesnt mean we arent going to put out the best product we can this year-we will be competetive and give 100% for our deserving fans who are the best in baseball" hook, line and sinker speech we spits out every year. This new jersey will put a few extra $$$$$$$ into the Twins coffers to tide us over until next season when season long tribute of 25th anniversary of 1991 World Champions comes to play....come to think of it did were we American League Central Division Champions of 2004??? Maybe they will bring back the cast from that team to celebrate....or play for us. (ie hunter/Cuddy(

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 54

I saw this happening back in Sep. Twins need a new way to infuse cash since it wont be happening at box office as Ryan recycles his annual "we are poised to make a push for 20--(add 1-2 years from current year) but that doesnt mean we arent going to put out the best product we can this year-we will be competetive and give 100% for our deserving fans who are the best in baseball" hook, line and sinker speech we spits out every year. This new jersey will put a few extra $$$$$$$ into the Twins coffers to tide us over until next season when season long tribute of 25th anniversary of 1991 World Champions comes to play....come to think of it did were we American League Central Division Champions of 2004??? Maybe they will bring back the cast from that team to celebrate....or play for us. (ie hunter/Cuddy(

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 55

Unless I am amiss, I believe next seasons gimmick will be the 55th anniversary of the Twins here in the TC's?? 2010 was marked as the 50th.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 3:52 PM by luke Highlight this comment 56

I believe this year they will be celebrating the 1st Anniversary of the 54th Anniversary.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 57

Gee --- lots of things to sell us. Anniversary, new manager, new coaches, new uniforms. It would be nice if they threw in competitive baseball as well.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 5:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 58

I'll see you at the Saints ballpark next summer Ben. At least the prices there are on par with the quality of the product.

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM by j2k Highlight this comment 59

Terry Ryan press conference: "....Of course being competitive is a top priori....oh look here Dave St Peter is wearing his apron and let me turn the mic over to him to introduce some exciting new menu items as well as some really exciting promotions our marketing dept spent alot of time on such as free schedule magnet night on opening weekend, orange hunting cap night, poster night, 6 different bobblehead giveaways and unveiling of a new statue commerating TC the Bear winning the Mascot home run contest! Take it away Dave! No more questions please enjoy the leftover Pedro Florimon bobbleheads we handed out to youi "

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 6:53 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 60

Before this uniform leak, errrr, unveiling, I had the Twins going 72-90 next year. But now I'm thinking PLAYOFFS. There's no way these Midas-hued babies don't add another 20 games to the win column.

Smell 'em!

TTH

Posted on November 10, 2014 at 10:05 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 61

Cuddy headed to the mets so the twins wont be able to get him.

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 62

Ryan is busy working on his golf gam....Ryan is busy scouting in Florida and Arizona and possibly Vegas and will wait for most of the other teams to pick through free agents and then pounce on whatever has been passed over and then have a press conference proclaiming we picked up a young arm who, although has a 6.19 ERA and 1-9 win/loss record in rookie ball, hits 96 on the radar gun. Oh sure he has some control problems but we think we can get that rectified.

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 12:34 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 63

Quick check of Twins website today shows improvements to Twins minor league complex, video of Joe Mauer and Dave St Peter blushing over the new Twins uniforms to take their brand to the next level, story on outdoor concerts at Target Field next summer, story on a couple of our guys who made and "All Star" team playing in Japan (do not know complete roster but fact that former Twins catcher and career .190 hitter Drew Butera also made it tells me everything I need to know).......news about actual pickups to improve roster??? Again I was on Twins website-no room for stuff like that.

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 4:17 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 64

You do realize that mlb controls most if not all of the content on the website don't you?

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 4:22 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 65

I dont like facts getting in the way of a good post! lol

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 66

Everybody has a different idea of "good."

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 6:32 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 67

"Everybody has a different idea of 'good'." - Twins Way

TTH

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 9:20 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 68

MLB has a story about the possibility of Bert moving from the booth to the field as pitching coach.

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 10:50 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 69

"The always funny and loquacious Blyleven has been a Twins broadcaster since 1996."

I'll agree with the second half of that sentence.

TTH

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 11:45 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 70

OK: Molitor, Blyleven, Viola, Guardado, Brunansky, Mientkiewicz...

Shall we all join in on a chorus of Springsteen's "Glory Days"?

Posted on November 11, 2014 at 11:55 PM by Rick 71

I have not been able to access this site for over a month now from neither my home computer nor my computer at work. Always getting some type of server error. However, I am able to access it now via mobile so it appears the site has been up and running all along but yet I am always getting an error. Anyone know what the problem is or how I can fix this issue?

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 08:06 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 72

I really don't understand all the hand wringing over coaches with ties to the team in their playing days. Are the Twins any different than the other MLB teams in that regard? All the names Rick lists were far better players than Ullger, Vavra, et al. Why NOT have them on a staff? Blyleven might be a bit shaky since I don't think he has a lot of coaching experience, but he knows how to pitch and might be able to get something from a pitching staff. The rest of them have already put in some time coaching in the minors. The hitting struggled a bit in Bruno's 1st year but put up decent production last year. Hopefully there is more improvement again in 2015.

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 09:50 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 73

It seems a little insular. Are they trying to put together the best possible coaching staff, or the best possible PR opportunity? (Probable answer: At least a little of both.)

All these guys who played their glory days with the club could be great coaches, but that would defy the odds.

The Twins Way is threadbare right now, despite the spiffy new duds with gold-bordered logos (the WAR of which it is hard to estimate). As much as anything, this club needs fresh, aggressive, innovative, outside voices, and they need them badly.

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 10:37 AM by Rick 74

Mike,

The site had a series of outages in October due to some incomprehensible traffic from outside the USA. It may have been an attack, an exploitation attempt, a bad robot, or something completely different.

As a result, I've had to restrict traffic to IP addresses in the USA only. If you're using a proxy server, or an anonymizing service, you may not get past the IP filters.

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM by Rick 75

I agree w/ Rick's sentiments-every team uses some players from their "glory days" and I do not know how these forer players will do s coaches but one thing that has been a theme in stories last few years has been the whole culture of the clubhouse-an attitude of young players being complacent, not doing the necessary things to prepare(studying opposing pitchers for example), the feeling that they are not going to be replaced since there are few options to relace them with in minors, a feeling of complacency getting paid and paid well no matter if they win or lose or how they perform individually. Dan Gladden's wife is my boss and she said that amongst alumni from Twins they see it and talk about it-how the whole culture of the team has changed. Hrbek, Morris, Viola, Gladden, Bruno, Gaetti, Puckett-those guys held each other accountable. THey got pissed when they lost. From what Mrs Gladden says in talkign w/ Dan nd other alumni they dont see Mauer getting in anyone's face or holding them accountable-it is more of a "ho -hum who wants to play cards?" attitude after 7-1 losses. So maybe this new group will light some fires under these player's asses. I am not saying entire team needs that-Perkins I think would have fit in w/ old group for example. But the current "Twins Way" needs a change in its whole culture.

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 1:39 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 76

Kinda makes you pine for the day Torii Hunter took a jab at Justin Morneau in the dugout...

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 1:47 PM by Rick 77

Mauer is not a leader. The Twins need players that aren't afraid to lead and a coaching staff that will.

All but one of my partners in my HPB location gave up on the Twins for 2015. It looks like a lot of other STH have the same issue - the number of games available in the first few rows of HPB on the shared season ticket system is depressing. I gave up my HPB seats, but still keeping the LC pair. I'm guessing we are going to see a pretty large drop in STH numbers and/or a whole lot more dumping of tickets on the secondary market.

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 2:39 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 78

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM by Rick 79

Is there anybody on the current team that could be A leader?

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 80

Oswaldo Arcia (why doesn't this guy have a nickname yet?) is my new favorite Twin because he's often been the guy on the top step of the dugout congratulating and encouraging. Much of the time, he looks (through the TV cameras at least) like the player setting the tone.

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 3:27 PM by Rick 81

There are different leadership styles. A quiet player who works hard and produces on the field can be a leader by example even if he isn't the "Rah-Rah" in-your-face sort of leader. But to be a quiet leader you have to put up better numbers than .277 and 55 RBI's and you can't be missing huge chunks of time on the dl. If Mauer produces the kind of numbers he produced before the infamous bilateral leg weakness, he could be a leader even though he is quiet and non-confrontational.

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 3:40 PM by terry Highlight this comment 82

Sorry, I've only scanned the posts from November. However, I just want to say I'm renewing my season tickets tomorrow because they added gold ascents to their home uniforms. That is what I was waiting for. GO TWINS!

Posted on November 12, 2014 at 11:52 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 83

.500 next year is a 10% chance, but these moves give me more hope. Plus if you all give up your seats I can move down more easily, so please get angry and don't give the Pohlads your money! They are way worse than Ziggy! The family has only been here helping to build this city for 70-80 years.

Paul has a new 3rd base coach that knows all these players. He has brought in the Spanish speaking "assistant hitting coach." I don't care about the title. Good move.

I am going to keep going with my cheap-ie 20 game package. I believe Molitor knows baseball. It doesn't mean he will be a great manager, but he is 58 years old, and has no reason to do this other than he really wants to. He is Tom Kelly smart in my opinion. I'm in.

****full disclosure, I'm keeping my seats in the upper deck because I'm under the halo when it rains, I'm on the aisle, and I can get to the concessions whenever I need to with (now) short lines upstairs. That is pretty much all I need.****

Posted on November 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 84

Got my "chance" for free TwinsFest tickets. Once again needed to fill out a form: name, address, phone (day & evening), e-mail address, birthdate, account #, etc. This drives me absolutely bat-shit. If they don't know your e-mail already how did you get the message in the first place? What difference could it possibly make what your phone number or birth date is? If you are a season ticket holder don't they already know your address and account number? Is there some reason why they couldn't just ask if you'd like tickets, yes or no? They must be selling the info.

Posted on November 13, 2014 at 08:41 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 85

Keeping mine too, though I've lost a partner group. $40 average ticket price isn't cheap but has relative value, being front row in a zone (Diamond Box) adjacent to Home Plate Box and just above Dugout Box.
I see that Kershaw has a chance to be first MVP/Cy Young winner in NL since Gibson in '68.

Posted on November 13, 2014 at 09:08 AM by robin Highlight this comment 86

I wish there was a better outlook next year for ADA seating but I suspect the Twins will do the same as previous years and continue to sell them to brokers. Watch those seats in Dugout Box 2, Row WC, seats 1-6. If there are available non ADA seats in the same section/price level it's against the law to renew ADA seats to an owner that is not disabled. They are suppose to move them to open non ADA seats in the same section/price level.

Bet you a dollar the Twins don't even know this. Or worse yet they do know it but will not enforce it.

Posted on November 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 87

Off-topic but worth mentioning: US Bank Stadium awarded 2019 NCAA Final Four this afternoon. Glendale, San Antonio, Fatlanta and Indianapolis also awarded Final Fours. First Final Four for Minneapolis since 2001.

Posted on November 14, 2014 at 9:47 PM by luke Highlight this comment 88

When the new Vikings stadium design and renders came out, more than one fan noted that the scoreboards were too small and that the team would regret not going bigger. Not long after that, the NFL scoreboard arms race got stepped up big time by the likes of Houston and Jacksonville not to mention the new stadium under construction in Atlanta. Realizing the error while there was time to fix it, the Vikes made installing larger scoreboards one of the quiet improvements it has paid for over the past year. However, it has been hard to get a handle on how much bigger they'd be. Some never before seen renderings emerged after the Final Four was awarded that tell the tale. The boards, or at least those at the downtown end, are quite a bit bigger.

Take note as you look at the renderings that a black drape will be put over the windows at the downtown end. The glare from the sun setting in the west would be a major problem for players shooting at that basket without the drapes given that the national semis take place in the late afternoon to early evening as the days start to get quite a bit longer.

Rendering with Original, Smaller Scoreboard

Rendering with New, Larger Scoreboard

Posted on November 15, 2014 at 8:54 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 89

I posted this once before, but I'm curious if they'll also drape-over the roof. True, the players aren't looking up, so the clear roof isn't as much of a glare issue as the end windows and even the ones at the top of the seating bowl. However, I've noticed that the tourney games in domed stadiums with windows usually go all-out in covering as much outside light as possible (though I think the translucent windows in Ford Field were left exposed in 2009?).

Posted on November 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 90

Then why have windows?

Posted on November 16, 2014 at 1:21 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 91

Didnt Dallas have a Final 4? They have opening in their roof I think or maybe it is retractible

Posted on November 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 92

Uffda "North Texas" as the NCAA calls it hosted this year. The retractable roof is translucent material (akin to the Hump's roof was).
I do believe they had a black curtain on either end. They have alot of glass on the end zones just like USBS will.

Posted on November 16, 2014 at 1:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 93

Ok thanks Luke!

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 94

So if the Vikes have a 3 pm kickoff, will the windows need to be blocked off for a time during the game?

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 2:24 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 95

I've looked at that new rendering a few times and it looks like some 3rd grader used Paint and just plopped an image on there for the scoreboard. I hope they didn't pay for that.

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 3:29 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 96

On a Vikings-related note, did everyone see the list of pre-requisites the NFL sent out to cities bidding for a Super Bowl? The smallest item on their demand list is the one that really got under my skin, in part because it was so small and petty. The host city has to provide bottled water for the league big wigs. Wouldn't it be fun to start a tongue-in-cheek "charitable" drive to gather donations of bottled water for the NFL? It could be run just like a food shelf drive. Boxes could be placed at the gates to TCF Stadium for people to drop off their bottled water. I sure don't want to be responsible for Roger Goodell becoming dehydrated when he is here for the SB in a few years.

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 4:16 PM by terry Highlight this comment 97

It's an interesting idea for a protest, though there's a chance that some of that water would come in yellow...

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 4:59 PM by Rick 98

Here's a post by Parker Hagerman on TwinsDaily that made me think completely differently about the search for a pitching coach.

It's the kind of "duh" moment which will make you wonder just WTF the Twins are doing with the numbers they have access to. This is stuff that somebody in the organization should have noticed long ago, and that Anderson should have known about and used to avoid letting his pitching staff sink into the MLB cellar.

Maybe they can't hire Hagerman as the pitching coach, but the Twins really should get that guy on their staff. The only downside to having that happen would be that rabble like us wouldn't get to read him anymore. That would be a damn shame.

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 5:04 PM by Rick 99

Stevie...
Basketball. Shooting. Glare off the backboard. You try shooting a three-pointer with the sun at twilight staring you in the eye.
Football players wear that black tar under their eyes to reduce glare. They don't use that stuff in basketball.
That rendering scoreboard did look awful. A little bit a cheap imitation of the one they used in Indy.
Terry, the list of requirements was ridiculous. "NFL bank sponsored ATMs" (they probably will be US Bank ATMs). So, if they put in any other ATMs at the place they have to cover them up and install new ones.
If the NFL needed to use a hotel room as makeshift office space, ALL furniture was to be removed at the hotels expense.
those were the two stipulations i specifically remembered.

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM by luke Highlight this comment 100

If there are US Bank ATMs at the venue and the official bank is Bank of America (not sure what the actual bank partner is), then ATMs of the former come out and the latter go in. Apart from that, the only credit card you can use at the Super Bowl is Visa. Master Card, American Express, and Discover are not taken. It's all bit ridiculous, but the Super Bowl is voluntary and the requirements are known up front. If a city doesn't want to pay, it doesn't have to play.

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 9:22 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 101

That's true jorge. If you don't pay, you don't pay. I didn't know about the Visa exclusivity.
Honestly, MLB likely (I would imagine) made similar requests for the ASG (maybe not AS rigid). And the NCAA will likely make requirements for the Final Four.
I remember reading back in 2009 when the Final Four was at Ford Field in Detroit, they had to put tape on all 65,000 cup holders because they had the Aquafina logo on them, which wasn't an NCAA sponor. And of course, many static ads at the NCAA basketball tourney venues (I've been to regionals and the Final Four at the Dome) are usually covered up. Beer ads for sure. Soda ads (if they aren't NCAA sponsor). Of course it isn't that big of an undertaking anymore with LED signage in many venues.

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 9:44 PM by luke Highlight this comment 102

^ if you don't pay, you don't play

Posted on November 17, 2014 at 9:45 PM by luke Highlight this comment 103

Rick, that's an amazing article. That was a surprise to me. Numbers aren't everything but it's foolish not to take advantage of what they do show. Our memories and perceptions are highly biased. I was glad to see that the author had good words for Brunansky as hitting coach. I think it shows that an objective analysis is better than sticking with an outdated "Twins Way" but also better than a simplistic "must get rid of everyone in the system" mentality.

Posted on November 18, 2014 at 2:02 PM by robin Highlight this comment 104

Have you seen Nate Silver's website "fivethirtyeight"? Has a sports section as well as politics, economics, health etc.

Posted on November 18, 2014 at 2:03 PM by robin Highlight this comment 105

Steady Eddie named bullpen coach....

Posted on November 19, 2014 at 9:49 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 106

Your new pitching coach: Neil Allen.

Posted on November 23, 2014 at 12:41 PM by Rick 107

So the site is back up then..

Posted on November 23, 2014 at 1:26 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 108

My god, we need baseball season back, post haste.
I don't care there's snow on the ground.
Get the boys to Fort Myers immediately.
Play at TF in 20 degree weather I don't care.
just bring baseball back.
We have nothing to talk about around here :(.

Posted on November 25, 2014 at 06:02 AM by luke Highlight this comment 109

Well we can always talk about the daily signings and pickups we see in the Strib and on MLB.Com everyday while the Twins stay true to the course however are rumored to have won the rights to bid on some Korean pitcher w/ a 4.55 ERA (but it is a hitters league) but apparently reports also show Texas won rights. But while other teams sign/pickup players we can also surmise about what new statue, if any, will be added and new exciting food offerings.

Posted on November 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 110

Willingham retires. Other teams picking up free agents and we as always do nothing.Twins confirm Allen, Guardado and Vavra for 2015 season though.

Posted on November 25, 2014 at 8:04 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 111

I'm trying very hard not to be too cynical, but while the Red Sox are rolling out Pablo Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez, the Twins are rolling out Eddie Guardado and Joe Vavra.

Posted on November 26, 2014 at 01:59 AM by Rick 112

Come on Rick, there's Torii Hunter and Wily Mo Pena rumors too.

Posted on November 26, 2014 at 09:08 AM by FD Highlight this comment 113

My wish for 2015 is that all of the top prospects, Sano, Buxton, May, Rosario, etc. stay healthy and, in the case of Rosario, stay away from substances that result in lengthy suspensions. I think all the time those prospects lost to injuries and suspension this year was more depressing than the 92-loss record.

Posted on November 26, 2014 at 12:46 PM by terry Highlight this comment 114

Happy thanksgiving BPMers. Hope y'all had a great holiday and didn't get taken down by too much Tryptohan.

Posted on November 27, 2014 at 8:41 PM by luke Highlight this comment 115

Two quiet days here. 135 days to go on the countdown.

Posted on November 29, 2014 at 09:39 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 116

Two more days of silence.

133 to go.

Rick I'm not sure if others are experiencing this issue, but my browser isn't updating to the newest post. It continues to take me back to 11/25 when the site came back up.

Posted on December 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 117

Yet another bar coming to Target Field. It seems like there are starting to be almost too many bars. It will be interesting to see how this goes if they continue to also use that corner as one of the main TV stages for pre/post game desk.

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/blog/sports-business/2014/12/twins-to-swap-out-retail-shop-for-bar-at-target.html

Posted on December 1, 2014 at 7:34 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 118

CSG, in order for fans to stomach this team's play, I don't believe TF can have "too many bars".

Posted on December 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 119

The New Era shop in left field is a nice shop, but it lacks the capacity to be a money maker by comparison and fans constantly crowd the overlook outside of it. I can see why the move to a bar is being made.

The Vikings game yesterday was COLD! It was 12 degrees at kickoff with the wind chill of -3. It was the seventh coldest home game in Vikings history despite constant talk by the old timers during the Metrodome days that every game at the Met was played in a blizzard with a temp of -15. The place holds 52,500 or so including the temporary seats. The game was sold out, but I'd say the actual number of fans was in the 40,000 to 42,000 range, more or less like a Gopher game. By the end, there were 20,000 fans left tops. So many people turned up not remotely dressed for this kind of weather, as if throwing a hooded sweatshirt over a t-shirt and wearing sweatpants over jeans was going to make a difference. We were on the north side on the upper deck, the sunny side, and it was still brutal despite us being dressed for an Arctic expedition. If anyone wonders why the Vikings went for a new dome instead of open air, this is why. Lots of concession money went out the window due to there being fewer fans who bought far less than usual.

Posted on December 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 120

Another place for the "fans" to hang out while they're not watching the game on the field.

Posted on December 1, 2014 at 10:59 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 121

Nelson Cruz to Mariners, Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval to Red Sox, Toronto makes trade to Oakland for All Star 3B Josh Robinson....on MLB.Com under transactions there are literally dozens of other moves made by clubs to try and improve their teams......meanwhile Twins announce their plans to add a bar w/ rail stand to enhance the appeal to fans who like to walk around the stadium durin g game and expand suite along 3rd base in response to businesses wanting to conduct meetings as part of their game day experience. Oh and we released Anthony Swarczak. Typical Twins. Spending $$$$$ on trying to create more revenue streams to offset declining attendence (also check out our new jerseys for only $85.00-$135.00 plus tax!!!) but not making any moves on the field until every other team goes thru the scrap heap.

Posted on December 2, 2014 at 2:15 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 122

So now you're the official arbiter of who is a genuine fan and who isn't?

Posted on December 2, 2014 at 7:49 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 123

Tori Hunter signs with Twins, 1yr, $10.5M

Posted on December 2, 2014 at 8:30 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 124

Torii goes for the paycheck instead of a shot at a ring. I wonder if he will be happy losing 90 games next season...

Posted on December 2, 2014 at 9:59 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 125

I anticipate Torii being traded to a contender if the Twins are not winning. He will have 3-4 months to play for the Twins, hopefully mentor some younger players, and contribute. With a 1 yr deal, the Twins aren't losing anything by trading him, and by July/Aug it will be more clear which teams might give him a playoff opportunity.

Posted on December 2, 2014 at 10:16 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 126

The guy knows how to get mad at people who aren't playing up to their abilities. He might be more coach than player. (And I agree that he's trade bait in July -- barring any unforeseen contention.)

Posted on December 2, 2014 at 10:22 PM by Rick 127

The Vikings released renderings of the new stadium in soccer mode as part of its bid to obtain an MLS team for the venue. This bid is competing with an effort led by the NASL's Minnesota United and which has the Twins and Timberwolves involved. The latter group wants to put a soccer only stadium with a capacity in the 20,000 to 25,000 range near Target Field in the space many anticipated and/or hoped a Vikings stadium might wind up.

A stand alone MLS stadium won't come cheaply. Kansas City's Sporting Park, considered the model MLS stadium in many quarters, cost $210,000,000 in present inflation adjusted dollars. Minnesota United's hoped for facility would cost at least that much. Soccer has grown, but it's hard to see there being much momentum behind such an expenditure should this MLS effort seek any public dollars for such a facility. MLS prefers soccer specific stadiums, however. Of those without them, DC and New England are desperately trying to get them while Vancouver gets by with a unique curtaining system and Seattle was a special exception that has exceeded all hopes and dreams for attendance. That said, Atlanta will have an MLS team in the new Falcons stadium.

As for the Vikings, the system of tarping and curtaining they propose won't likely look as clean and neat as it does in the picture, but it does effectively hide the mezzanine (club) and upper tiers. There are problems, however. The proposed capacity is 20,000 which could be scaled up to 28,000 if the thing takes off. A big issue will be creating the necessary sense of scarcity among potential ticket buys who while being told there are 20,000 seats will know that another 45,000 are there and just covered up. Will the high roof make creating and sustaining a lively atmosphere difficult? In their press materials the Vikings have called this set up a "soccer specific stadium" based on the facility having MLS in mind from its design genesis and making some tweaks to make soccer more at home if a team is granted. That is highly disingenuous. Call it soccer ready or soccer adaptable, but 65,000 seat NFL stadiums are by no means soccer specific, a term that refers to smaller 20,000 to 30,000 capacity venue.

One last thing. When the original renderings of the new Vikings stadium were released, many fans noted that the scoreboards were too small based on the new NFL standards and that the team would deeply regret not going bigger. The team got the message and increased the sizes of the two boards in the end zones. Final Four and MLS renderings tell the tale. Looking more closely, the board at the downtown end has grown to an extent that it now is obscuring the much touted pivoting doors. In original renderings it looks like four of the five doors were open and visible to the seating decks. Now it's just two. All five doors are there, but aren't so visible. Some will complain and I think it's a sloppy alteration, but the larger board is more important to me as a Vikings season ticket holder.

Posted on December 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 128

Here is one more major problem with MLS at the Vikings stadium I forgot to include. If it's a Sunday afternoon in July when it's 80 and sunny out or a really nice Wednesday or Friday in June when it's 75 out and it's light until 9:00 PM, will enough people want to go inside to watch soccer, even if they throw the pivoting doors open? The Twins had this problem for years, even when the team was good in the 2000s. If the Vikings get an MLS team, I see attendance softening by year three and talk of a 25,000 capacity soccer specific stadium coming up by year eight. I don't think a team can make it long term in the new NFL park.

Posted on December 4, 2014 at 2:43 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 129

Three days of silence. Keeping the blog alive.

Winter meetings start soon, and the Twins are looking at a 37 year old pitcher in Ryan Vogelson.

Posted on December 7, 2014 at 3:18 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 130

Twins Marketing Machine has already put out a commercial for FOX Sports North featuring Torii Hunter at a kids party bashing a pinata presumably across street and hitting a car- I like Torii Hunter I think he can help coach the team and be a leader in the clubhouse -he hit .279 w/ 17 HR and around 75 RBI last year which would be amongst leaders on our team past couple of years. But he is a 39 year old outfielder. I'm a little disappointed that it seems the overwhelmingly majority of signings of players/coaches that can help the Twins......are former Twins from either our World Series team or just teams that never advaced past 1st round of playoffs (w/ exception of beating Oakland in 2002) -last year it was Jason Kubel and Jason Bartlett and Guerrier. None of them lasted past May. Also Tom Brunansky brought in to coach. Nowe we add Molitor, Senor Smoke, the Red Wings manager (who is a minnesotan) and have a press conference and already commercial for a 39 yr old Torii Hunter. And I am not blaming any of this on him-he didnt ask for all this attention and even made it clear he is not going to be the savior but will do what he can to help. I just get the feeling the Twins are more concerned w/ finding new ways to get fans come to games by remembering the past as opposed to spending on someone w/ ties outside the organization that can bring in a fresh new attitude. Why is it always ex Twins that are the best candidates. And sure some of them are but cripes its a little overkill here. nearly every ex Twin it seems that has been a part of a winning season here is coming back-there isnt anyone that could do better????

Posted on December 7, 2014 at 5:03 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 131

That is an old commercial from Hunter's first run here. The Twins just brought it out of storage.

Posted on December 7, 2014 at 6:59 PM by FD Highlight this comment 132

Really? I thought he was wearing the new Twins home uniform? I could be wrong though-

Posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 133

It is indeed an old ad pulled out of the mothballs (clicky)

Posted on December 8, 2014 at 2:31 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 134

Tony-O and Jim Kaat just miss election to the Hall of Fame. Oliva because his career though brilliant was too short and Kaat because his career numbers though impressive were accumulated over too long a period of time. Feels like they got a double whammy.

Posted on December 8, 2014 at 4:22 PM by terry Highlight this comment 135

The Vikings game on Sunday took place in slightly warmer circumstances but it was still pretty cold and uncomfortable due to the wind and lack of sun. There weren't as many no shows as at the previous game, but still a very visible number of sold seats went empty. Of the fans that were there, they seemed to consume fewer concessions and many departed early despite a fun game that went to overtime. Once again, if ever there was anecdotal proof about why a domed stadium was favored by the Vikings in the end, it was all the money left on the table at the Panthers and Jets home games. Indoors that game has a full house and I can say with honesty that my money remained in my pocket by comparison to the Metrodome or early season TCF Bank Stadium games. I didn't feel like drinking beer or pop in cold weather and skipped Drew's Popcorn due to not wanting to remove my gloves to eat it. By the way, a promo piece on the new stadium during the game noted that it is now 1/3 complete.

Posted on December 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 136

The other explanation for Tony O and Kaat (and everyone else, for that matter) not being elected by the Golden Era Committee is that HOFers view the HOF as their personal club...why should they allow anyone new or living join the club if they have s say in it? (Yeah, I think Tony should've gotten in, so I'm feeling bitter tonight.) Three years ago they did actually let Ron Santo in, but they didn't do so while he was still living.

Posted on December 8, 2014 at 9:58 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 137

I think that if the Vikings had never gone indoors, the fans would be like Chicago's or Green Bay's or some other place like that. Being able to withstand the cold becomes part of the fan DNA, a sort of badge of honor.

Once that spell is broken, however, there's no going back. These will be a couple of lean years. I hope the team can find a way to make back some of that lost revenue once the new stadium opens...

Posted on December 8, 2014 at 10:13 PM by Rick 138

The whole HOF voting process (regular and veteran's committee) has always mystified me. Cooperstown is a museum of the best baseball players, and people like Tony O and Jim Kaat are clearly among the best. They deserve to be remembered for what they did accomplish, and not excluded for what they didn't. Hell, anybody who played for 25 years should be enshrined there, no matter what the numbers look like.

I've read many times that the veteran's committee has very little interest in adding players, that they don't look at stats, that they rely a lot on fuzzy/failing memories and sentimentality in their voting. It's hardly sabermetric.

In other words, it really doesn't mean much. And despite the work that I know some writers put into marking their ballots, the whole 75% threshold is so arbitrary that that process doesn't mean much either.

Posted on December 8, 2014 at 10:22 PM by Rick 139

Well, as far as "cold" becoming part of a "fans DNA", how did attendance fare during "cold" games at the Met? Take into consideration: the Met sat LESS than TCFBS (48,836 vs 51,000). Take into consideration we already had the NFLs smallest joint at 48,836. How "sold out" were the games back then?
Am I glad we have a history of indoor stadiums (for football)? Oh yeah. Even if the Vikings had gone with a roofless joint, our fans DNA never would have matched that of Da Bears or the Pack.

Posted on December 9, 2014 at 06:08 AM by luke Highlight this comment 140

The Vikings formed in 1961 and just when the thrill of a new NFL team wore off, they went on that big run from 1968 to 1978 with ten NFC Central titles and four superbowl appearances in eleven years. There was an additional NFC Title game appearance in there and lots of All Pros and HOF members and candidates. Until 1973 even sold out Vikings home games couldn't air on local TV, not even the playoffs. The Vikes were pretty mediocre from 1979 to 1981 despite winning the Central in 1980. By 1982 they were in the Metrodome. So although the Vikings played to sold out and nearly sold out crowds in a stadium with mostly awful football sightlines, they never went into a dark age past the initial expansion period that would have impacted attendance.

I agree with Rick that once indoors, the cord was cut for people tolerating freezing temperatures outdoors, especially in the era of 60 inch plasma TVs with HD coverage. It's too easy to stay home compared to the days of having to pull in a signal from the air on an SD TV that was 20 inches. Regarding the Packers, it may be my Viking fan bias, but pre Favre the team was seeing softening of crowds in the now discontinued Milwaukee games and plenty of late season no shows at Lambeau and County due to fans getting so worn down by the 1968-1991 dark age. Had Favre not come around or had success been much more fleeting, it would be interesting to see where the attendance and season ticket base might be. The Packers have long claimed a long waiting list and I believe it exists, but the Redskins had one too and the cratering of that team in the past decade has all but eliminated it.

Posted on December 9, 2014 at 11:17 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 141

Will Tony Oliva get another chance soon for induction? He's 76. We are entering the zone in which he may not see it happen in his lifetime which would really be a shame.

Posted on December 9, 2014 at 11:22 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 142

Jorge, TonyO now has a 3-year wait for the next Golden Era ballot.

Posted on December 9, 2014 at 3:43 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 143

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Posted on December 10, 2014 at 11:25 AM by Uffda Highlight this comment 144

The page reloaded at the last read message for me for the first time since it was re-booted a couple of weeks ago.

Seat relocation is next week from the 16-18. I don't want to move my seats, but am interested in seeing what the map looks like.

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 145

As I discover them, I'm still restoring little features like that which got disabled in response to the attack...

Uffda, just enter a password and you'll be good to go.

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 1:11 PM by Rick 146

I know the Twins were never in the running for Jon Lester, but there's probably some dancing on the north side of Chicago right now.

I would like to dance again, someday.

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 1:13 PM by Rick 147

thanks Rick!

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 148

There has got to be some dancing in North Side streets right about now...I totally agree. Will next season end the curse for the Cubbies??

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 3:20 PM by luke Highlight this comment 149

Kudos to Ryan on the Hot Stove w/ MLB.com at WInter meetings stating that he isnt intimidated by White Sox signings of Samardja, Yankees closer Robertson, Duke and Adam Laroche or Indians picking up all star Brandon Moss from A's by pointing out we have a number of players we hope to have rebound years like 1B slugger Joe Mauer (7 HR) and Mike Pelfrey who was supposed ot have a rebound year in 2013 but THIS time will have a rebound-rebound year. And he reminded them that we signed a guy named Torii Hunter they might have heard of. And he pointed out some new fun foods that will be on hand this coming season and said he is enjoying the sun in San Diego.

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 3:58 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 150

LaVelle is reporting from the winter meetings. Feeling like I've read this exact entry more than once before, I've taken the liberty of extracting the template he appears to be forced to use:

...the Twins have been in contact with (agent for Big Name Pitcher) this week at the winter meetings. If they are serious about upgrading their rotation, then (Big Name Pitcher) makes lots of sense.

(Big Name Pitcher) was (nice win-loss record) with a (nice) ERA with (some other team) last season, is (nice win-loss record) in his career and has pitched at least (large number) innings in four of the last five seasons. The Twins made a run at (Big Name Pitcher) last offseason, but (Big Name Pitcher) signed a one-year deal with (some other team) with the intention of having a good season then re-entering the market this offseason for a nice payday...

(Big Name Pitcher), one report this morning revealed, would like a five-year contract. He can argue that he's better than (some other pitcher), who has agreed to a three-year, $39 million deal to remain with (some other team). So what does that mean, five years and $15 million per?

Are the Twins willing to do that?

The chatter in the lobby late last night suggested that (some other team) made the most sense for (Big Name Pitcher), a nice fallback option after losing out on (another big name pitcher). A report out of (big city) this morning suggested the (other team) had enough money left over after making it rain on (other big name pitcher) to make a run at (Big Name pitcher).

The Twins might have a better shot at someone like (No Name Pitcher), who they have had discussions about.

(No Name Pitcher) would not command as much as (Big Name Pitcher), and there's no draft pick compensation required.

Stay tuned, because (Big Name Pitcher) and (No Name Pitcher) might be their best two options on the free agent market. They are interested in (No Name Pitcher #2), but Twins officials have expressed concerns about (what makes him a no name pitcher)...

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 4:32 PM by Rick 151

Lol-nice Rick! but you forgot to add (no name pitcher) Twins are looking at is coming off Tommy John (elbow/wrist/etc) surgery and missed (enter # of months here) but the Twins feel he is a bargain and can regain his form from 2012(11,10) and while he has not pitched more than (enter any # less than 100) innings in 3 years the Twins feel he is ready for a breakout season and that a change of scenery will help his confidence.

Posted on December 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 152

Luke, If Back To The Future part II is any indicator, I'd guess probably..

Posted on December 11, 2014 at 12:37 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 153

That's right!
And it's funny...remember the team they beat according to the movie? Miami.
When BTTF II was made the Marlins were still three years from existence. And when the movie was made, they were "Florida Marlins". Of course, it's Miami now.
UNFORTUNATELY the Cubbies cannot make that WS matchup possible as both are in the NL.

Posted on December 11, 2014 at 1:19 PM by luke Highlight this comment 154

Well, the Twins signed (Big Name Pitcher). I say, go after (No Name Pitcher) as well.

Posted on December 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 155

What the--? I take it all back.

And I had no idea that the Back to the Future oracle put the Cubs in the Series in '15. Maybe they got the initial of the opposing team right. There's only one AL team that comes from a place which starts with M...

Maybe somebody should invite Zemekis to opening day.

Posted on December 11, 2014 at 3:17 PM by Rick 156

When Back to the Future was made though Milwaukee was also AL team! But I get what ur sayin....is the Ervin Santana signing legit yet? I am at work-fuzzy details

Posted on December 11, 2014 at 4:40 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 157

The Cubs in the World Series...You guys are a hoot!

Posted on December 11, 2014 at 9:31 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 158

Aw c'mon Winona...everybody gets their shot eventually.
they said that about the Red Sox for decades.

Posted on December 12, 2014 at 1:09 PM by luke Highlight this comment 159

Never in our lifetimes.

Posted on December 12, 2014 at 6:07 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 160

Read this in Walters' column this AM: "The Twins, with no price increase, are expected to start next season with 13,000 to 14,000 full-season ticket equivalents after selling 17,000 last season".
Is the 13,000-14,000 number a tad generous for a team that's lost 90+ games each of the last four seasons? Stable price or not?

Posted on December 14, 2014 at 07:45 AM by luke Highlight this comment 161

Thinking of going to the Vikes-Bears game, driving over from Eau Claire. Any tips from anyone on the most-efficient/least-expensive bus/transit route to get to the stadium? The big thing for me is avoiding the worst of traffic parking-wise, but a longer bus/light rail trip is fine if it gets to an easier out.

Posted on December 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 162

I drive and come in to campus via the East River Road after crossing the Franklin Avenue Bridge. After turning on Harvard, I park in the Washington Avenue ramp next to the Commons (formerly Radisson) Hotel. They park cars on game day for $20 (cash only). With an arrival time of around 10:30, the traffic is really a non issue. Leaving, we typically go for a drink and to watch some of the late afternoon games. After an hour, we glide away albeit on a route not involving freeway traffic.

Since you're coming from the east, if driving is not something you want to tackle, you could pick up the light rail east of campus. It drops off right at the stadium. The earlier you go, the less crowded. There are definitely lines at the stadium drop off point on University Avenue after the game. However, if you walk over to Stadium Village you can avoid the lines and then not deal with a packed train for too long if you leave your car near to MN-280 or not much further east. I have not taken this route and can't personally vouch for it, but it is said to be okay.

If driving is not part of your plan,

Posted on December 14, 2014 at 9:44 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 163

Forgive the fragment at the end. Poor editing on my part.

Posted on December 14, 2014 at 9:45 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 164

Hofflalu- for Bears game my advice is to go to Alarys pre game (www.alarys.com for directions/info) -it is a HUGE Bears bar but as Vikes fan I go there alot- it is owned by grandson of a former Bears player named Al Basil from the 40's-60's. Lots of memorabillia. u can park in ramp next door and they give you a parking voucher so parking is FREE. Then u can jump on the Green Line LRT which is 3 blocks form Alarys and it will drop u off right in front of stadium. Then post game grab a drink or 2 while traffic dies out and take Lite Rail back to St Paul (the light rail lines are EXTREMELY packed just before/after games and wait is long but if u wait 30-45 min it is just fine. And if u go to game from St Paul it is one of first stops so there will be no line) -light rail tix are $2.75. Side note-Alarys is a fun sports bar but not known for food-they do grill brats/burgers onback patio but frozen pizzas are only other option-the bartender girls outfits also make Hooters look liek Disney. Anyhow thats my advice-thats the way I go and it works out great! Free parking (after u get park voucher from bartender), fun to mix it up w/ Bears fans at Bears bar, lots of sports memorabillia to look at form 1950's-60's NFL , Light Rail drops u off right in front of stadium. Enjoy the game!

Posted on December 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 165

Sounds like a giant PITA unless you are willing to spend a great deal of time (and money) before and after.

Posted on December 15, 2014 at 5:00 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 166

Vikings games parking is a BITCH and $$$$$$$- not alot of cheap options, if any, near U of M. Alot of parking is for STH. therefore ALOT of fans park further out and take light rail. Since we only have 2 lines the trains can get packed but if u go out to eat/drink near stadium the trains are much less crowded about 1 hour after game. Pre game i have had no issues leaving from the train stop near Alarys since it is near beginning of train route. Some of the train stops closer to the stadium (whether coming from Mpls or closer to stadium coming from St paul) u might have to wait a few trains before u can even get on.

Posted on December 15, 2014 at 6:01 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 167

And all that to see the Vikings?

Posted on December 15, 2014 at 10:45 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 168

Anyone looking at seat relocation? Just curious what is seen.

Posted on December 16, 2014 at 10:32 AM by robin Highlight this comment 169

Many bars have shuttles to the Vikings games and they're free. Shamrocks on 7th in St Paul comes to mind. 15 minute ride to TCFBS. Can't beat that.

Posted on December 16, 2014 at 10:59 AM by j2k Highlight this comment 170

Thanks all for the tips, this'll help a lot!

Posted on December 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 171

I forgot about that-yes there are bars that have free shuttles. Thats a good idea also.

Posted on December 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM by Uffda Highlight this comment 172

One quick extra tip on the Washington Avenue ramp. A certain number of the spaces inside are on a prepaid, season contract via the Vikes and the U of M. When they reach the point at which the remaining spaces equals the number of contract spaces, they stop taking cash and turn people without prepaid passes away.

Posted on December 16, 2014 at 4:05 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 173

Since no one is talking about it...I had a selection window for earlier today. Seats are plentiful for full season packages. I'm just hoping the two seats next to mine stay unsold so I get the bonus of having four together (for my kids) while only paying for two. With the inventory in Legends, and the requirement to pay the $1,000 difference in PSL to go from the outside to the inside sections, it just may happen.

Posted on December 17, 2014 at 1:50 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 174

I am in the same 200 level section as last year, but was able to get my four seats all in the same row and on an aisle. Last year the seats were in two rows and in the interior of the section. So it was a modest upgrade, but one I'm pleased with.

Posted on December 17, 2014 at 3:35 PM by terry Highlight this comment 175

I just went thru relocation. There is a lot of full season availability as jctwins says. I also looked at 40 game A and B plans. For my 40B seats in 323, there were only two seats available in the row behind me. Was looking to stay put in section but maybe move up a row.

Was a little surprised that there wasn't more availability in my section. All last season there were a lot of empty seats in the first 6 or so rows of that section, and I thought perhaps a lot of them were resellers who would give up after not being able to unload them all last season. But it seems like they are hanging on to them. There isn't much availability for full season or 40 game packages in that section.

Posted on December 17, 2014 at 4:38 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 176

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Posted on December 17, 2014 at 6:48 PM by robin Highlight this comment 177

So JCTwins, you saying you can (hopefully) add those two seats to your account, but not pay the PSL? Hope so for your sake. shows how the market has changed. Was there much available in low rows, such as 1-3, anywhere from A to R?

Posted on December 17, 2014 at 6:51 PM by robin Highlight this comment 178

I'm actually just hoping they don't sell and I can bring my kids in without a ticket, but have two seats for them at most every game.

The pair in front of us was open literally the entire season without being sold last year, so I could definitely see it happening this year in a row that is one row back, with a lot of availability.

That would really be great.

Posted on December 17, 2014 at 7:18 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 179

Yeah, but I thought they made it tougher to get in the Club the last couple years. good luck, though.

Posted on December 18, 2014 at 06:01 AM by robin Highlight this comment 180

I can carry both of my kids (one is a baby, the other is 5). They have been fairly loose with kids.

Posted on December 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 181

Do they have an "every person regardless of age" ticket policy over there at TF? Or don't they care so much?

Posted on December 18, 2014 at 12:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 182


Let's Play Seven!

October 29, 2014 12:08 AM

Drop everything. This is what we live for.

Until the second inning of tonight's game six, I was prepared to take my kids to a Halloween party tomorrow night. It's a really good one, too, that we've been to in several previous years. But we won't be going this year.

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Inventory

September 29, 2014 12:23 PM

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Twinshine

July 16, 2014 1:47 AM

Yes, Jeter. Of course. It was his night, and deservedly so. Even I, whose mother hates Derek Jeter, cheered for him. It was only the second time I've ever done so (the other being when I visited the original Yankee Stadium and pretended to be a Bomber fan for exactly one game). And tonight it felt weird and wrong and right and inevitable and necessary and splendid all at the same time.

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Festing

July 13, 2014 1:38 AM

There were times, in the past week, when I started to get the feeling that the Convention Center would be a very empty place this weekend. Simply put, it seemed like everyone wanted to give away their Fanfest tickets.

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Earlier Articles




"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."

– Bernie Williams

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From about two blocks away you can finally get an idea of what it looks like. Just to my left (but out of view) was a valet parking stand where a limo was idling.



Wind veil framing



The Northstar stop has a name.



You can't get there from here.



With the engine behind us, we got a real sense of how fast we were going by looking out the front (back) window



The HERC side, viewed from Fifth Street.









These guys were there, but it wasn't any of you, right?



Though there's nothing there now, you have to believe they'll find a way to add a party deck up there at some point.






A little ground's crew action in the first inning the other night.






That's Bert back at the Met on Photo Day, September 15, 1974.






Trees also have sprouted near the topiaries









The Puckett Atrium



Infield dirt used as accents









Viewed from a different angle, it seems fair to wonder is some of those seats will have slightly obscured views. Yet, if they're cheap, that's not a problem.









Franchise history before Minnesota. (Click to enlarge.)






Lots of pix waiting to be seen from Bert's memorable night.



Opening day, 2010



Mound from the other side









This is during halftime.



Playing surface dirt out there? Maybe. (click to enlarge)



Not my actual kids!






The first passengers are about to arrive, but the switch is set for the wrong track (those guys walked all the way out to correct it)






Now from the inside looking at the same area.



Wanda's view!



In March, we were still only imagining baseball through those windows.






OK, people are definitely riding their bikes to games! (Photo by Tim Davis, courtesy MBA)



Seat logos in place






The limestone now wraps around onto the HERC side.



This is the revised version of the center field pavilion (without the restaurant). It looks like there are no seats, just some ledges for people to sit on. It reminds me of the seating on the "bridge" which sticks out of the new Guthrie Theater. Anything which lands in the trees will presumably be a home run, so the "411" sign is apparently just for fun.



This is the LRT path looking from the ballpark site (behind me) toward downtown. The line currently ends about two blocks up this street. This bridge over I-394 is also being partially rebuilt as part of the ballpark project.



Working on the main concourse right about directly behind the plate.



Frost on the pumpkins, snow on the plaza


Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

Selected Bibliography - Analysis
 


(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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