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Autumnal Equinox

Drawn to the Light

September 22, 2009 10:27 PM

The eery glow on the main grandstand, visible since sunset on the webcam, was enough to draw me down to the ballpark with my camera after putting the kids to bed. I expected to find that the lights above the scoreboard were being tested.

No such luck, however. It was just the lighted advertising panels on either side of the video board.

But I still got as much as I could.

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Just lighted panels... *sigh*

I parked next to Ford Centre and walked up Fifth Street, something I've done a thousand times -- during the day. It's a completely different scene after dark.

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Along the way I encountered:

1. Empty parking lots as far as the eye could see.

2. An older, disheveled gentleman packed into a doorway with a large number of his personal possessions in bags. He was fumbling with something at his ear, either a radio with headphones, an elaborate hearing aid, or a bluetooth adapter. I was not about to slow down and find out.

3. A small pack of scruffy skateboarders.

4. A young woman with a fancy camera on a tripod pointed in the general direction of the Basilica.

5. Parking ramp security.

6. 50 MPH traffic on Seventh Street.

7. A small cadre of hearty people on the way to or from working out (at either Target Center or Ford Centre).

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The Northstar station at night

While I wouldn't describe it as "creepy" or "scary", I would have to admit that I wondered about the wisdom of the trip on a couple of occasions -- especially after I heard what sounded like gun shots (but were actually just some small fireworks). It became clear to me why police presence has been beefed up in the area after dark, though there was no sign of that tonight.

I also didn't see any construction workers, but there were lots of lights on inside the ballpark. So, after leaving Ford Centre, I drove around for a little bit, scoping things out. That's when I realized that the lights were on in the Puckett Atrium.

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The Puckett Atrium


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This will be a great sight on game nights.

Also lit were the circulation ramps...

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Seventh Street circulation

...and the 573 Club.

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573 Club

There's something mesmerizing to me about a brightly-lit space surrounded by darkness. It has the aura of a magical oasis.

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573 Club

Along the way I noticed that the railings next to the A ramp are in and uncovered. They are the same design as those on the plaza and really help to tie the area together. (Sorry but the photos were all too blurry.)

The plaza extension to First Avenue also appears to be done and waiting to open. The brick work matches Target Center, and the metal work matches Target Field. It's a surprisingly smooth transition between the two extremely different designs. Also, beneath that walkway is a bike parking area.

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First Avenue at left, bike parking area at lower right

With an event about to start at First Avenue (the club) as I passed by, First Avenue (the street) was hopping. It will only be a couple of weeks until it and Hennepin Avenue are converted to two-way streets again, a change which promises to actually bring some of the "city" back to downtown Minneapolis.

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This would be a beautiful streetscape if there were ANY people.

It's still a little hard to imagine now, but the ballpark area really has the same potential.

Last Friday, Vic and I parked a few blocks from the Metrodome as we usually do, but for some reason I noticed that there was foot traffic in every direction about as far as the eye could see. That's what I call "city".

I tried to imagine how this foot traffic will translate to the new neighborhood, especially at night. Even after following the project for over three years, and exploring much of the new locale personally, and writing at length about it, I still find that exercise a little difficult.

We really don't know yet what it will be like to emerge from Target Field on an early-autumn evening and make our way through that neighborhood.

So, don't bother trying to imagine it. You probably can't. We'll all get there together.

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Happy equinox!

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Very nice night shots Rick!

I walked down there with some friends a few weeks ago following a Saturday night Twins game and could not get any pictures to turn out in the dark, so it was nice to see yours!

That should look spectacular when they test and calibrate the stadium lighting in two weeks. We will once again see that magical glow hovering over a field of green grass.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 1

Cool post Rick. Never thought about seeing it at night like that.

Hey - do you have a map or a list with all the street directions that are going to change??
I've been following this site since the beginning, but I guess I kinda missed some details about the surrounding streets along the way (traffic-wise)...sounds really interesting to have two way traffic on 1st Ave. I didn't realize that was happening!

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 12:28 AM by Excited Highlight this comment 2

some great night ballpark photos.
great job Rick.

I too passed by the lit ad panels this morning on my way to work. Clearly visible from 94.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 07:09 AM by luke Highlight this comment 3

Going off what someone said yesterday about police presence on 1st Ave/Hennepin, it'll be interesting to see how that expands to this area after the season opens next year.

Right now it's a little too quiet.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 08:37 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 4

they are taking down the ol' flag pole from Met Stadium today (or at least prepping the area) in Richfield

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 08:41 AM by mjm126 Highlight this comment 5

I'm down at the Richfield Legion. Follow flag pole progress at the Facebook= box at the top of this page!

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Posted on September 23, 2009 at 09:11 AM by Rick 6

Rick,

Will you be doing Ballpark Magic calendars this year?

I love my one from last (this) year...but I need to complete the set. I need to see the nearly completed stadium in calendar form.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 09:33 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 7

Also, nice write up. I've been trying to imagine what this part of DT will feel like next year with the stadium foot traffic.

The stadium, the 2 way conversions of Henn and 1st, the Marq and 2nd redo... I'm hoping that some symbiosis will happen for DT and create some urban magic.

But, I'll just have to wait and see like everyone else.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 09:36 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 8

The actual video screen is now live! I could see vibrant color reflecting onto the canopy while driving down 10th / 7th sts on my way to work at about 8:15am...and sure enough, when the scoreboard came into view, could see they were color testing (went from red to blue)!! Yeh BOIIIII!! My wife who carpools with me even commented on how neat it will look at night, especially with the canopy and ribbon board lights. Really glad the canopy is as reflective as it is; will look like it's floating at night, reflecting all the lights and color below, and during the day, reflects some of the color of the sky (on the sides where it angles towards the sky). Pretty neato...

Another note, when we drove by, they also seemed to be doing ballpark-wide emergency system testing -- strobes were flashing in just about every area we could see...

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 09:58 AM by Tyler (og?) Highlight this comment 9

And nice pics, Rick! That's what I'm talking about!!

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:03 AM by Tyler (og?) Highlight this comment 10

I agree, it will be interesting to how this part of downtown changes with TF's opening. It's an area in transition, where a concentration of social services sits in the backyard of the new stadium. My father used to have offices where sharing and caring hands now sits, the large sno-boy sign is all that's left from his building. I remember visiting the site with him a few years ago, turning a corner and seeing a tent city set up in the medium of the street.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:03 AM by tim Highlight this comment 11

Dale,

The 2010 ballpark calendar is on the way! It will hopefully be joined by at least two additional publications this year: the limited edition construction photo scrapbook and the beginner's guide to Target Field.

I'm also working on the aforementioned ticket trading club and a special site where people can share their pictures, reviews and comments live during games (right from their phones) next year.

And you wonder what I'm doing when I'm not posting!

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM by Rick 12

Very nice photos and a very nice article along with it.

This past Friday, I attended my first ever Oakland A's game when the hosted the Cleveland Indians at the Oakland-Alameda Coliseum. Here's my take on the stadium/game experience.

The Good

- Outdoor baseball never gets old after seeing so many games in the Dome.

- It was Fireworks Night! It was no cheesy 10 minute display either. It ran for about 25 minutes and was top quality all the way. Plus the A's let the fans go on the field to watch the show, so we viewed the fireworks from the 1st baseline, in front of the visitors dugout.

- The A's fans are an enthusiastic, but friendly bunch. Everyone seemed to be wearing green and gold. The few Indians fans we saw didn't get hassled by anyone. There's a group in the front row of the right field seats that wave big A's flags during stoppages of play. The ushers and security guards were also very friendly.

- There were many different food and beer options, more than you'd think for an older stadium and more than at the Metrodome.

- The BART has a station right by the ballpark. You then travel over a long pedestrian bridge to the stadium. We road the train beat the traffic, which looked pretty bad when the train was parallel to the freeway.

Going home was a bit trickier since they had to close the pedestrian bridge during the fireworks and the show ended at precisely the moment a Miley Cyrus concert at the Arena next door also ended. The BART station handled the crowds well, but getting to the bridge was slow going. It made me wonder how the Target Field LRT and Northstar stations will handle the crowds, especially if an event at Target Center were to let out at the same time.

The Bad

- The seating deck offers some really odd views. Everyone has seen the huge foul territory at the Coliseum. We were behind home plate and were okay, but fans seated on the baselines were pushed far back and angled awkwardly away from the field, ruining what ought to be some of the best seats in the house. The lower deck is also very shallow, so even taller fans might have trouble seeing over the heads of people in front of them. The 3rd deck of the older section and the 3rd deck of Mount Davis were tarped over to create an artificially smaller capacity.

- Mount Davis, the massive outfield grandstand that was built for the Raiders, really overwhelms the park. It also cut off the view of the Oakland hills far beyond the stadium (the actual neighborhood around the park is pretty gritty and industrial). The only saving grace of this structure is that it has probably done much to silence opponents of a new stadium on the basis that Coliseum is "perfectly fine" for baseball.

- The concourses are very narrow, as bad or worse than the Dome. The crowd on this night was just under 23,000, so the lines and congestion never got too bad, but I can't imagine what it must be like during a Raiders game or sold out A's game.

- New stadium efforts have stalled. The Coliseum is outdated and is really a lost cause as a long term MLB stadium. The A's and their fans deserve a new one. Efforts to place one in Fremont, just south of Oakland, have fallen apart. There is a small movement that wants to put one in downtown Oakland, but right now there isn't a lot of political will to get it done and there will be likely no help from the state. Some combination of private funding combined with the city of Oakland and Alameda County will have to come together.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 13

Some exciting stadium news!!!! Not really. Click my name.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM by Ryguy213 Highlight this comment 14

Nice write up Jorge. I agree with your thoughts on A's fans. Like Twins fans, I think they are underrated in terms of their passion and knowledge of the game.

Also agree that Mt. Davis ruined the views of the hills past the outfield. It used to be a nice ballpark, now it's an outdoor version of the Metrodome.

I hope the East Bay area can build a new ballpark someday. They'll just have to figure out a way to pay for it without public money.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 1:10 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 15

I read the Sunbrite article and thought it would be cool to have one of 'em 32" for my deck. Not at $1,999! Yikes! Still would be cool, though.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 16

Nice write up Jorge. To opine further on your question about the LTR and Northstar stations handling the crowds after games...I have a feeling that it will be rough going for the first year or so, until people get used to how to wait in line. The city, I'm sure, hopes that everyone filters towards downtown, instead of just going directly home. But my guess is the BPA is just biding their time until the HERC goes bye-bye. Then, they can purchase that wonderful triangle of land and put a large LTR station there.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 17

grammar nitpick:

It's LRT, not LTR. LRT stands for Light Rail Transit. I know it seems funny, since pronouncing the acronym phonetically gives you "letter" while LTR mimics "light rail" better, but it's a specific acronym.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 18

Nice post Jorge. I hope to get out to CA next summer to see all the baseball they have to offer.

I am heading to KC this weekend and have never been. Anyone have pointers? (I have tix for Friday behind home and Saturday out by the Fountains)

Thanks for the advice.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 1:32 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 19

Semantics

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 1:50 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 20

I remember seeing the plans and the artist renditions of the planned ballpark for the A's and thinking it would be a great place to watch some baseball. Sad that those plans are scrapped.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM by John C Highlight this comment 21

Linked through my name is a blog called New A's Ballpark. It's run by a lady from San Jose and covers the struggle by the A's to get a new stadium, as well as some other stadium/urban issues.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 2:50 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 22

CSG Mike - It's the best stadium in the AL Central--and that won't change next year, much to the chagrin of many on this Web site.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 2:57 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 23

Truth Hurts, You have already come to that conclusion? No wonder everhone finds you so bothersome. There's at least one of you on every blog site.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 3:29 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 24

Truth Hurts, Don't bother talking trash back at me. I've just figured out how to "ignore" your posts. Bye now.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 3:31 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 25

Kaufmann's nice and all - ahead of its time even before the renovation, good sight lines, pretty fountains, nice fans, yadda yadda yadda. Not sure how you can say it's definitively better than a stadium that very few people have set foot in and no one's watched a game in, but that's just me.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 26

Target Field is gonna blow it away. I have been to Kaufmann, and yes, it is a nice stadium, very nice actually, but TF has so many more detailed aspects to it that make it unique. Hard lid (ceiling) in main concourse (have to be to a ballpark with this), sun canopy, skyline view, intimate, downtown location, DETAILS, DETAILS, and DETAILS.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 27

Kauffman is a beauty (or at least was before renovation, haven't been there since), but it's apples and oranges.

Kauffman couldn't be more suburban. TF couldn't be more urban. We can like 'em both. (I like Comerica and Comiskey as well. Haven't been to Jacobs.)

(Oh, and TTH, all I can say to yesterday's comment is: Woof!)

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM by Rick 28

The Truth Hurts,

Any suggestions of "don't miss" things about Kauffman or the greater KC area?

I'm just hoping to watch 2 Twins wins and see the out of town scoreboard show 2 Tigers losses. :)

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 29

Mike,

Take the time to get there early and soak it in. You'll be blown away by the fountains. They've done a lot of renovation to make the fountains even more of a signature feature. If you have kids, you'll be blown away by the amount of kid-friendly attractions they have: carousel, playground, mini golf, mini-field for hitting wiffle balls, etc. (I wonder how the Twins are going to make TF kid-friendly, seeing it has such a small blueprint..) Don't pass on the BBQ. Take time to talk to KC fans. They really appreciate their history and "place" in baseball. It's got a real minor-league feel, but is a major-league jewel. It's unfortunate the team has been hard-pressed for success on the field.

Rick is right: It's far from an urban ballpark. But that's a big part of its appeal. You're out in the open and the only sound is that of the game, not ambulance sirens, incoming and outbound commuter trains and such. I'd take that over an urban ballpark like NYS any day.

To the others: I think TF will be a really nice park; I just feel it will lack charm. You don't build charm, a ballpark either has it or it doesn't. Wrigley Field has charm and it has nothing to do with bat-shaped topiaries or neon signs or louvres.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 30

To The Truth Hurts- I have to disagree with you about TF. I believe that it will have charm and that it does will be one of its biggest assets. I can't wait to watch a baseball game there. I think the game day atmosphere which you absolutely cannot fake will be tremendous. Just my opinion of course.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 31

TheTruthHurts - Kaufmann is a nice stadium - but to call it the best in the AL Central I think is a little over the top. Progressive Field in Cleveland I think should have that distinction.

Until next year that is.

And I think the commuter train and light rail whistles will be kinda fun. It's part of the charm at Midway for the Saints games (no light rail of course).

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM by luke Highlight this comment 32

Agree to disagree, TTH

I think the only difference between the fountains at Kauffman and some of the extras at TF is the passage of time - the fountains KC have been around and there's nostalgia attached. I'm sure there were those in 1973 who thought the fountains were merely another exercise in contrived quirkiness; now that they've been a part of the experience for 37 years, we don't want them to leave.

I think they did all they could with TF - it's unique but not over-blown architecturally, there's no contrived quirkiness that could drastically interfere with the game (a la that meaningless hill with the flagpole in center field at Houston), and the site is accessible. The "charm" will come as time passes.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 33

Like Rick said, you are comparing apples to oranges when comparing Kaufmann to Target Field...The only things in common with most ballparks are green grass, infield dirt, two foul poles, 4 bases (90 feet apart), and a pitchers mound.

What does Fenway, PNC, Wrigley, and AT&T park have to offer the kids? To me, you go to a ballgame to watch the game and enjoy the atmosphere and the beauty of the ballpark.

If I want to entertain my kids, I will take them on the light rail to the Mall of America and visit Camp Snoopy/Nickelodean Universe or drive down to Valleyfair. Nothing against amenities for kids at ballparks, but when you have a true urban ballpark, such as Target Field, you are not going to have the available space for those extra amenities that "Little K" offers in KC.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 5:04 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 34

I'm going to "ignore" all of you because you disagree with my opinion. ;)

One of the problems with acquiring "charm" over time is that stadiums don't have the shelf life of times past. What will the life expectancy of TF be? Thirty years? Forty? Just a thought...

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 35

For Gods sake Truth, that's mature :|

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 5:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 36

Good point TTH - who really knows? I do think (or maybe just hope) that this current round of stadiums (starting with Camden Yards) will last longer than the cookie cutters (and I include the Metrodome with the cookie cutters). They have the advantage of being baseball-only facilities. May need some updating here and there like Kauffman, but I bet it'll be around at least 40 years.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 37

I've been to every AL central ballpark over the last couple of years. Though I loved Kauffman, I have to agree that Progressive is my favorite.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 5:48 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 38

KC is a gem!!!! its a great ballpark, great prices and everybody in town is nice..go to the power & lights district if you want to party, get your bbq from aurther bryants and get the burnt ends!... say hello to my people at the "tool shed " bar.. its a dive but they are nice...

TTH just wants to get a reaction out of you guys... for someone who hates on TF so much you sure love a site dedicated to loving all things TF...

i have been to old kaufman and new.. they are awsome and would take them over most but TF will be better...

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 5:57 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 39

Here is my criteria for a great stadium/arena....it actually lasts more than 30 years before it is considered so "outdated" that we have to abandon it. We haven't had a major league stadium or arena meet that mark yet around here, and I really am getting disgusted at the number of 20 year old arenas (mostly) that are seemingly now dinosaurs and "must" be abandoned.

That said, I do have great hopes for Target Field, and it seems to me as if the X will survive my arbitrary 30 year mark just fine. TCF Bank will make it just because college football teams don't build new stadiums -- with luck we'll have to expand it. The VikingDome will limp there, but may not have a team in year 31. I still say it is a perfectly good football studio, and hopefully they can make it work.

The poor Target Center is the question in my mind if it could actually make it to 2022 (I think that is right). With the ownership/maintenance responsibility issues, that place could be really ratty by then. The Wolves should still play there, but even I agree it needs a good wax job.

Kaufman is a fabulous park. I very much agree with with TTH with the statement: "If you have kids, you'll be blown away by the amount of kid-friendly attractions they have: carousel, playground, mini golf, mini-field for hitting wiffle balls, etc." It was wonderful to go there, and I'll go back even when we have TF. However, in my mind baseball parks belong downtown (and KC downtown could use a park if you've ever driven around there). Football stadiums for 10 games a year can be anywhere, but for 81 home games, you can and need to energize the downtown core. That is the only knock against Kaufman...it doesn't have as much impact in KC as it could.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 6:37 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 40

Rick I have a story idea for the final weekend at the Dome, whats the best way to get a hold of you? Thanks!

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 7:02 PM by Your Team Sucks! Highlight this comment 41

Met Stadium (1955-1982, barely 27 years total, 21 in the majors)
Metrodome (1982-2009, 28 baseball seasons)
Target Field (2010-????)

This is not a criticism of TF, but it will likely be on the creaky side in 2030, and completely obsolete by 2040. Parks that lasted a century have the benefit of being built long before the era of marketing teams looking to maximize revenue.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM by Rick 42

YTS, write to me anytime at: rick at this domain.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 7:05 PM by Rick 43

Mike - "What does Fenway, PNC, Wrigley, and AT&T park have to offer the kids?" While an unfair comparison between Target Field and Wrigley and Fenway, both AT&T (the Coke bottle in left is actually a slide, and below it a large play area) and PNC has a play area in the right field corner. In fact, almost all new parks have some-sort of play area built into them. I haven't heard any plans for Target Field, but like I sad, save New Yankee Stadium, just about all the new parks have them in one form or another...

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM by Goober Highlight this comment 44

Can anyone who got their post-season invoice post the ticket prices by series?

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 45

If the kids want to play on playgrounds instead of watching the game, then don't bring them. I don't think the Twins should have to provide a play area, just as much as they shouldn't have to provide a napping area and Matlock reruns for Seniors.

Yes, I understand that some kids can't sit through the whole game and need to run around...that's where your local city park comes in.

Just my opinion.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 46

jfh: do you want to specify a seat location and if I am online I will get you the list (which might be available on twins site)
lower club, e.g., is $60 each for divisional or $180 per strip; LCS is 100 x 4 for strip; WS is 225 or 900 per strip. this year you don't have to buy all three strips at a time.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 8:41 PM by robin Highlight this comment 47

DreDogg, I couldn't agree more.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 8:46 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 48

This is from the Twins Web site. It is posted under "Season Ticketholders Only" although I did not need to enter any special code to access the info. The Twins did not include a breakdown on the prices per series with their invoices.

POSTSEASON PRICING
Postseason Pricing Seat Location Division Series
Per Game/Per Strip League Series
Per Game/Per Strip World Series
Per Game/Per Strip Full Strip
Price

Dugout Boxes $160/ $480.00 $190/ $760.00 $250/ $1,000.00 $ 2,240.00

Lower Club $60/ $180 $100/ $400 $225/ $900 $ 1,480

Lower Reserved $40/ $120 $75/ $300 $175/ $700 $1,120

Upper Club $30/ $90 $50/ $200 $100/ $400 $ 690

U.C. Obstructed $15/ $45 $25/ $100 $50/ $200 $ 345

Lower Pavilion $30/ $90 $50/ $200 $100/ $400 $ 690

Upper Pavilion $12/ $36 $30/ $120 $65/ $260 $ 416

U.P. Obstructed $6/ $18 $15/ $60 $32.50/ $130 $ 208

Terrace Suite 1* $150/ $450 $190/ $760 $250/ $1,000 $ 2,210.00

Terrace Suite 2* $150/ $450.00 $190/ $760.00 $250/ $1,000.00 $ 2,210

*Price includes food & beverage

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 8:57 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 49

The play area discussion is interesting, speaking as someone who has two small children.

I took Noah, who just turned 4, with me to last Saturday's game. For the first time he was able to make it through the whole game. Prior to this, owing to a combination of start times near his bed time and his own restlessness, we'd never made it past the 7th inning. (His first game, at age 2, was Torii Hunter's last game as a Twin.)

But I always went in knowing that's how it was going to be. My goal was to introduce him to baseball (and see a game myself), not to entertain him. (More specifically, my goal was to make sure he remembers baseball at the Metrodome so he can appreciate TF a little more. But I digress.) If I wanted just to entertain him, there are a helluva lot of cheaper options that he would greatly prefer anyway.

So why would I take him to a ballpark and then look for the carousel or room filled with colored balls?

Before or after a game is a little different story. He and I have usually arrived about an hour before game time and hung out on the plaza, which he is content to do as long as the snacks keep coming. On occasion he has gotten into the fun jump. And if there were a carousel out there, we'd probably ride it.

My point is that we've done just fine without any specifically kid-friendly activities inside the Dome, and I like it that way. Other parents may feel differently, but I want him to associate the ballpark with the game and not some mini-amusement park.

POSTSCRIPT: I've heard that the Twins, in considering options to pursue for the roof of the B ramp, have thought about making a play area up there. To me, that's the perfect place for it. It's close enough to be part of the ballpark, but far enough away that it's not a constant distraction and can disappear at game time.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:14 PM by Rick 50

Thanks to those who posted the post season ticket prices. I found the STH page. :)

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:18 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 51

Because, Rick, most kids today can't sit through a three-hour game. As a parent of these kids you have an alternative to giving up and taking your whiny brat home. You take him or her to the kids zone and let him or her work out some of that pent-up energy then you can return to watching the game. I've had friends who accompanied me to games who left in the THIRD INNING because their kid was out of control.

I get the baseball purist argument, but I'd rather have that option.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:30 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 52

You should have received a separate page with your invoice that shows a seating map with a complete pricing grid.
I'm glad they're recognizing the economic difficulty of paying for all potential games in advance and waiting for the refund. Some of us don't have the same credit capacity we used to, even if still fully employed.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:33 PM by robin Highlight this comment 53

Well, that certainly is one way to use those facilities -- and it is one of the reasons that I don't object to them in principle.

Of course every kid is different. When mine are done, they're DONE. There's no coming back. And if Noah were to discover a carousel, I'd pretty much have to forget about the game. Even if we did come back in to watch, he wouldn't be able to get it out of his mind.

I will admit that I'm pretty careful about picking my days, and willing to abort a planned excursion if the stars are not properly aligned. It helps that Upper GA tickets have been available pretty much at will, so I never buy until we actually get there. That will change next year, of course.

The questions surrounding parents, kids and baseball are complicated. And I'll admit, TTH, that I go back and forth.

My gut-level objection is when the alternatives to the game are so attractive and right there that a kid has no hope of even getting a tiny spark from the game itself. But age is also an important consideration. (I am only fully certified on 4-year-olds and under.)

I like to think I'm doing something right because he spent lots of time on Saturday telling me how many men were on base, how many more it would take for "bases loaded", and asking whether I wrote another K on my scorecard. (He also asked what would happen if "Star Wars lasers" came around, and who was faster, Batman or Spiderman or Noah? So it was a mixed bag.)

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:47 PM by Rick 54

The Metrodome had a play area back in the 1990s (I think behind the stands in upper right) that got progressively smaller as things broke and weren't replaced, while the stuff that remained got more and more run down until the team finally did away with it altogether.

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 10:56 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 55

my postseason invoice does not break it out but I am lower pavilion and each strip was $690 which included 11 games (3 + 4 + 4). We ended up going for 6 seats b/c it'd be cool to go as family to the true "final game at the Metrodome"...that is if the Twins make it (2.5gb...1.5wks left to go!)

Posted on September 23, 2009 at 11:16 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 56

You are correct Jorge, that was the FuncoLand Kids Zone located in the upper concourse in the RF area. I remember the simulated batting cage and being able to face Randy Johnson on the Mariners. That was very cool as a kid.

They also had some picture thing where you got your picture taken and put onto a Donruss baseball card.

Those were the days of the early to mid 90's with the sparse crowds.

On another note, is there one promotion/gimmick that has lasted longer in the Metrodome than the Hormel Row of Fame? That has been going on for as long as I can remember dating back to the early 90's at least and it still continues to this day.

They had attendance jeopardy for many years as well, but haven't done that in at least 5-6 years. All they do now is flash the attendance on the video board and its very easy to miss half the time since they sneak it up there quickly in the 8th inning. Obviously its posted and announced after the game as well. That was always fun to guess the attendance jeopardy.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 12:06 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 57

Parents should drop the little shits off at Mary Jo's place prior to the game.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 12:13 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 58

Mike - I too recall the funco zone - i was an sth in 98 and 99 (when you could get season tix for about 100 bucks - and i had a parking hookup) attendance for a lot of those games was 7-12k... the players could hear each smart ass remark (i recall a game against the yankees where i rode chad moeller - the slow roller - and he clobbered an inside the park 3 run homer... jumped up at the plate and pointed right at me as if to tell me where to stick it... the crowd gave me the business until i tipped my cap to him)

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 12:39 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 59

Yes Wrigley Field has charm but it's an old, decrepit charm. If you aren't sitting in the Bullpen Box seats staring at D-Lee's skinny butt most of the seating is pretty lousy. I lived in Chicago about 9 or so years ago and had a deal with a STH who had seats in the rather lousy Terrace Level. The roof looked like it was going to cave in on you any minute. But it was a Really Awesome Place to go to after the 9/11 attacks. I have no doubt that anyone who had tixs to a game that was held after the 9/11 attacks feels the same way regardless of what Ballpark they were at.

But a lot of Wrigley fans are also just there to show off the latest in "hipster" fashion. And are just plain rude. Ugh.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 12:58 AM by Chuck Highlight this comment 60

Rick -- I'm not saying they can't give Target Field a good freshening by 2040. However if we truly are building something that will be "complete obsolete" in 30 years, so much so that we must abandon it, tear it down, and build a new palace under threat that the team will leave, that saddens and angers me. And I SUPPORT the ballpark.

Kaufman looks like it is set to go 60-70 years now. Why can't TF?

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 07:16 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 61

TWINS MAGIC NUMBER: 14
TIGERS MAGIC NUMBER: 9

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 08:33 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 62

Looking at Web Cam 1, it looks like the workers are watching cartoons or the ellen show as they are all bundled up and seem to be looking in the video board direction!

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 08:44 AM by JOJO Highlight this comment 63

A playground isn't necessary, but if you get stuck next to whining complaining kid you'll be glad their parent has an option take them to rather than trying to make them sit through the rest of the game next to you. Look at it that way. It would be nice to have a playground or kids attraction that still lets you follow the game though. Both KC and Miller park have playgrounds, but once you are there, you can't see the game (Miller's is inside the concourse and Kauffman's at least used to be on the outside of the stands away from the field, but that's probably changed since the remodel). My kids are past the age where I need something more than the ballgame to keep them interested, but you've got to remember that kids attractions help not only families but those who have to sit around bored, rambunctious kids too.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 09:09 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 64

Channel 9 was live at Target Field this morning. They were on the Plaza near the flagpoles around 7:45 or so. Pretty impressive seeing Target Field live shots on TV! They interviewed a young man who worked for the Twins, but nothing new regarding ballpark news.

They were scheduled to talk to Larry Divito live, on the field, during the 8 o'clock hour.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 09:13 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 65

Linc,

It's not about TF specifically. But if we've learned anything over the last 100 years of professional sports it's that things change quickly, and 30 years is two lifetimes in terms of facilities.

Some of that is hyperbole from teams, who see an innovation elsewhere in the business and immediately want to implement it so they don't fall behind the competition.

Some of that is due to a mentality that if you don't ask, you won't get. Given how stadiums are financed these days, there is some incentive to NOT upgrade facilities in place when, by sitting on your hands for a few years, you can get a whole new facility.

That, incidentally, is NOT what happened with the Metrodome, though it IS what happened -- in the extreme -- with Met Stadium.

The Twins have shown the ability to be innovative in a large number of areas. Perhaps they will be among the first to see that a steady stream of upgrades can keep your team competitive (financially) and delay or avoid altogether the protracted battles and loss of good will associated with public funding.

It will take 10 years before we can gauge whether that is their philosophy. But if it is, then TF could have a longer lifespan than its contemporaries.

Conversely, if the site limits them in such upgrading, or if it proves that TF has liabilities which cannot be corrected in place (we have to wait and see on that), then its lifespan could be shorter than its contemporaries.

My hunch is that, like so many other professional sports facilities before it, TF's lifespan will be shorter than we wish now.

One final thought: Though the Metrodome was the state-of-the-art in some ways when it opened, baseball people hated it from day one. At least TF starts in a much better place.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 09:13 AM by Rick 66

I think of two examples when all this talk of a "30 year lifespan" comes-up for a new ballpark - US Cellular Field and Camden Yards. Both of these ballparks are pushing 20 years old (1991, so it's been used for 19 seasons for "the Cell" - and 1992, so 18 seasons for BPaCY). A key difference is that the Cell has undergone at least $100 million in renovations (mostly in the last decade) to make that building even *decent* for baseball, while BPaCY is still, 18 years later, considered one of the best in MLB.

Now, can anyone see either asking for a new ballpark in the next ten years? Especially in Baltimore? While the White Sox may have made a mistake in building the Cell the way they did (and costing an additional $100+ mil in renovations), but with that, there's no way they are getting a new park any time soon.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:07 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 67

What ever happenned to kids facing consequences when they acted up. I'm sorry but for me bringing your kid to the game is the same as bringing them to a restaurant. If they are out of control you take them home. How many of us were able to act out and got reqarded with a damn carousel? If YOUR kid can't handle the 3 hour game then YOU shouldn't bring YOUR kid to a game. Or you leave and you go home. That's all it should be.

I think Rick was dead on about how a carousel would end up being just another thing that would distract your kid at the game. Besides to hell iwth that where the "kid zone" could be is where they could put another beer vendor, hot dog vendor, or hell another bathroom. A ballpark should be the place where adults can go and the kids look up to the parents enjoying themselves and kids wanting to take part in that, and to do so means they have to act a little mature. And if they can't do that then they shouldn't be there. Might sound harsh but if they can't do that then they just aren't ready for it.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 68

Oh and yeah I suppose i would be blown away by the kid zone at Kauffman.... I'd be blown away by the continued course that everything has to be about, for, planned, and centered around kids.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:25 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 69

Looking at Cam 2, there is a section that has what looks like laces on a football on it's field level wall. Anyone know what that is for? is that to hold some sort of padding?

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:26 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 70

My son is not yet three and he has come to 4 games with me in last two seasons. So last year is was not yet one but walking so a challenge indeed. Like Rick we end up leaving early. Developmentally speaking baseball is probably just too slow paced to keep the attention of small children. Case in point he can sit through an entire hokey game no problem. (God i hope he doesn't want to play because we would be bankrupt both money wise and sleep wise). I hope my son will love baseball as much as I do and love going to games as much as I do. The best way IMO to foster that love is expose them to the game early and often as possible and with as much exposure as the moment will warrant. Whether that's 2, 4, 6 or 9 innings it's all worth it. Respect should be paid to seat neighbors too in the case of melt downs and naughtiness. But I do think it has to be just baseball and the food and drink the stadium offers. Play areas are distracting from the game and at that point it becomes less about the baseball and kid entertainment.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 71

I think local amateur baseball games could offer a good outlet for parents with over zealous kids. Admission is cheap, and most ballparks allow for wandering and movement throughout the game. Something professional baseball doesn't offer.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:53 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 72

In my day, we played with broken glass and nails, and we didn't complain to nobody! Kids zone! Bah! Get off my lawn.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:55 AM by Old man Highlight this comment 73

It's a ballpark, not a country club. With such elitist attitudes I hope you are all sitting behind home plate fanning yourselves with your Benjamins and not in the affordable seats with me and the Little Rascals.

Baseball parks should have family atmospheres. If you want to sit somewhere adult themed, such as seeing women dance in cages, go to Deja Vu down the street or Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:07 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 74

The difference in getting stadiums to last is that we haven't had sport-specific stadiums like we do now. The old ballparks that lasted (Wrigley, Fenway) were baseball-specific. Met stadium might have lasted had the Vikings opted for just building a football stadium, not a multi-purpose one that required the Twins.

That's one factor. The other is economics. Suites and club seats changed the economics of the game. Some places and designs are more adaptable than others (see Lambeau Field, for example).

Anyway, I doubt we'll see the building boom of new stadiums like we have recently ever again. Instead, we'll see a lot more renovations to existing parks, such as KC did with Kaufmann.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 75

I think TF will outlast the first two Twins' stadiums. It is built to last, unlike Metropolitan stadium. It will actually be an enjoyable place to watch a baseball game, unlike the Metrodome. My only question about its longevity is, it's kinda small. In order to get to 40,000 fans in the building you have to sell some standing room seats. There may come a time when the community wants a ballpark with 50,000 seats.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:16 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 76

I don't think it is possible for the Twins and TF to be all things to all people, so the Twins and their ballpark planners have to look at making the most of the relatively small footprint they have in this location. A kidszone is probably not something they can fit in. If you are just interested in baseball and a place to take the kids where there are lot of other things to entertain them, and you are not necessarily bothered by the quality of play, the Saints might be a better option. Otherwise, if you bring your kids, you have to find ways to keep them interested as long as you can, and when they start to get distracting to other fans, you leave.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:18 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 77

On the discussion of the the lifespans of Stadiums/ballparks. Many of the turn of the century ballparks that have been replaced lasted into the late 60's and early 70's. Some longer (Tiger Stadium/Comiskey etc)
As we know, most were replaced with multi-purpose cookie cutters. None of those were true ballparks. To me, the relative short lifes of the cookie cutters should not be used to compare the lifes of the retro ballparks. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they'll want 3 or 4 levels of luxury boxes in 20 or 30 years. Should food for thought.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 78

Alex B posted as I was typing mine and hits on the same principle.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:26 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 79

First US Bank, now Treasure Island. Meet the newest founding partner for TF.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 12:10 PM by Pikachu Highlight this comment 80

I thought we were keeping the Metrodome open in 2010 to play the White Sox.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM by common man Highlight this comment 81

Back to Kauffman--I'm a big fan, both pre and post-renovation. One thing that I thought they overdid in the renovation was the seating around the fountains--I think the fountains have really lost something now that there isn't really any green space around them. The new outfield plaza area is great. The refurbished concourses are fantastic. It's really too bad that the management there can't put together a decent squad once in a while.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 12:52 PM by turfguy Highlight this comment 82

I have a 2 year old and a 4 yesr old.
They sit through the whole game no problem. Never acted up on me yet and I have been to several games this year and last.
I think a "kids zone" would be too distracting and would take their attention away from the game. Once a kid gets their eye on something like that, they have to see it. If it's not there...
If I wanted to go to an amusement park, I'd take them to the fair.
I do not speak for the oblivious parents whose kids act up the whole
game and draw the anger of every other fan in the section, hey you should leave!! My kids don't even like listening to that!

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 1:18 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 83

When you go to the Royals game, watch the crowd. They spend the majority of their time watching the score board. Be careful or you'll catch yourself doing the same thing. It's really cool, but it's too big. So far Kaufmann is probably one of my faves of the ones I've been to. Renovations were just enhancements to what was already there as far as I can tell.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 2:08 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 84

Sorry I started such a debate about kids zones... I don't have one so I will probably stay away from that area. Unless after some beers I get a crazy idea.

Thanks for all the advice on what to see and do in KC.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 3:03 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 85

On webcam 1 I noticed that they seem to be rigging something up on the top left side of the parking ramp. Also looks to be a generator (the red box) against the wall at the far left top of the parking ramp.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 3:07 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 86

I was surprised what i saw out the window last week:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/84263554@N00/3942034207/

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM by Ron Reiring Highlight this comment 87

As far as stadium life goes I have something to offer. A guy I work with was an intern with the KC Chiefs organization for 2 years-he just left town to work for the Orlando Magic. He told me that the 375 million dollar renovation at Arrowhead is a stop gap move for now. He said the Chiefs people told him that in fifteen years they will be building or preparing to build a new Arrowhead. I could not see the logic in this move at all -but he was dead serious about what the Chiefs intentions were. Fifteen years is all that the 375 million is going to buy.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 3:56 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 88

Yes Wrigley Field has charm but it's an old, decrepit charm. If you aren't sitting in the Bullpen Box seats staring at D-Lee's skinny butt most of the seating is pretty lousy. I lived in Chicago about 9 or so years ago and had a deal with a STH who had seats in the rather lousy Terrace Level. The roof looked like it was going to cave in on you any minute.

I think those Terrace Level seats (the 200 level) are among the worst seats in baseball. People who buy them often think they're getting a good deal due to the seats being on the lower deck, but between the overhang from the upper deck and the row of boxes suspended beneath it, watching a game from the Terrace seats is like watching baseball from a cave. I'd advise anyone going to Wrigley to avoid sitting in these seats if it can be avoided. I think the Upper Deck Box Seats (the 400 level) are really underrated though.

But it was a Really Awesome Place to go to after the 9/11 attacks. I have no doubt that anyone who had tixs to a game that was held after the 9/11 attacks feels the same way regardless of what Ballpark they were at.

My buddies and I were supposed to hit the Cubs vs. Pirates games at Wrigley the weekend of September 14-16, 2001. We bagged the trip after the tragedy due to the games being postponed, the airlines not flying, and just the overall somber mood. We went back on the weekend of October 5-7, 2001 to catch one of the make up games on Friday and then pop down to Champaign for the Gophers vs. Illinois game on Saturday. The game we saw on that Friday was a very subdued atmosphere. Attendance was announced at just under 25,000, but due to temps in the mid 50s, grey skies, and wind, lots of people bugged out early. The park was no better than half full by the end of the game. There was still a sort of sad mood in the air. The one thing the game did provide, to an extent, was a window to a time when the Cubs didn't fill the stands except for the hardcores and when baseball was the main focus, as opposed to the scene, despite the game meaning nothing to the standings.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 4:04 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 89

Please CSG stay away from the kids!!!!!

im kidding

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 90

On the topic of kid zones, don't get me wrong. I don't think anybody should have to put up with a kid acting out in a public place. I also think the game is always the main attraction when I bring my kids. I just know as a dad it's great to have a place where they kids can blow off some steam and have some fun apart from the game without having to leave the stadium. If the Twins are smart, they will understand that too. Families make up a big part of the customers for Twins games and eventually the novelty of the new stadium will wear off and they will be counting on attracting those families with younger kids.

I think Cellular Field did a good job of this too. Went to my first game there on Easter this year and they had an area up in the outfield where my daughter played wiffleball while I stood a few feet away watching the game from the railing. Good stuff.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 91

Kid zones would come in nice during rain delays as well, assuming they have something in the concourse area that is covered from the elements.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 4:56 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 92

Ok, this thread is getting a little weak here with the Kiddie talk and how long TF is going to last. Let's keep the MN rube factor to a minimum.

For those heading to KC, check out L.C.'s bbq joint. Don't let the tattered vertical blinds or the steel bars over the windows scare you, it's the real deal and close to the ballpark.

K-Man

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 93

We don't use the word "rube" around here. It's demeaning.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 94

Took a little drive by TF this afternoon and got to see my first sneak peak of the scoreboard in action. Quite the site I must say!

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 9:24 PM by Strongred Highlight this comment 95

I appreciate all the comments about ballpark lifespan. I'm very much hoping the Twins take what I would consider the smart route and continue to improve on their own ballpark. I guess the good thing is that IS their park, so there is incentive to keep improving it. We don't have to rely on the county to maintain it, do we? Isn't that one of the issues with Target Center - that we need the City of Minneapolis to do something? This county board totally stepped up to get this done, but my guess is building something and maintaining something gets very different attention.

While I fully supported building this ballpark, I'm not so sure I could support building another one in my lifetime.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 9:31 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 96

CF Mike Cameron of the Milwaukee Brewers had this to say regarding TF. "It will be the worst new park in the league. The Twins aren't going to get any players to play there. Why in the world would they build an outdoor stadium?"

You can find that quote, and a small little article about TF on page 69 of the newest Sporting News - on newsstands now. I tried for 20 minutes to find a link to the damn thing on the SN website, no luck.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 10:29 PM by luke Highlight this comment 97

This is the same Mike Cameron who played in CHICAGO, CINCINNATI and NEW YORK in his career???

Opening Day in Major League Baseball is April 5...The average temps on April 5 in Minneapoli/Chicago/New York are:

Average high in Chicago is 55, average low is 39
Average high in New York is 54, average low is 39
Average high in Minneapolis is 52, average low is 32

I could care less what Mike Cameron thinks, maybe he is just pissed off at the Twins for not signing him after the 2007 season to replace Torii Hunter or maybe he is simply jealous the Twins will have one of the best ballparks in all of baseball or maybe he is just a soft pansy who has to play in retractable roof stadiums in Seattle/Milwaukee. Either way, he can say what he wants to say because us most Minnesotans would take 50 degree weather any day in March/April. Not everyone has the millions of dollars and luxury lifestyles where we can live in the south during the offseason.

Also, does Mike Cameron even realize baseball once existed outdoors in Minnesota? Or does he even realize Minnesota is a "state"?

Anyways, this weather thing is never going to go away and it gets so sickening hearing about it. Like I said, I will take a 50 degree March/April day any day considering the long three months of December, January and February we face each year.

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:37 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 98

Mike Cameron = a joke

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 11:39 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 99

Very few professional athletes can be considered intelligent. Mr. Cameron falls into that large majority of morons.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 01:14 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 100

lol. Cameron plays for the Brew Crew - who doesn't exactly play in the Taj Mahal. There's been lots of complaints about Miller Park over the last few years - especially in regards to their big bowl of a retractable roof.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 07:16 AM by luke Highlight this comment 101

Miller Park made made me a no-retractable roof believer.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 09:47 AM by turfguy Highlight this comment 102

Can't find it online, but KARE11 had some video from the Treasure Island announcement/celebrating 300K hours without a workplace injury at TF yesterday. The scoreboard was on with the Twins logo. Not sure if it was on any other station.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 09:57 AM by Andy G Highlight this comment 103

Looking on top of Ramp B, are they starting to get it ready to hang the large wind art thingy?

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 10:46 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 104

I too saw the video that AndyG is referencing on Kare11. Awesome.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 105

so what is going to be to the left and ride sides of the main big scoreboard?

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 106

Here is the article with a slide show of the scoreboard and the logo up on the scoreboard.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM by Strongred Highlight this comment 107

Vikeologist,

It'll be ad's for US Bank, Treasure Island, and the two other founding partners that are yet to be announced.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 12:31 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 108

The left and right sides of the scoreboard are going to be the 4 major corporate sponsors excluding Target. So far it will be Treasure Island, US Bank, and 2 more yet to be announced. 2 sponsors on both sides. This was in the article related to the Treasure Island announcement.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 12:33 PM by MB Highlight this comment 109

Best Buy, Pepsi and/or Dairy Queen would be three likely candidates in my opinion.

We already know Pepsi has an agreement with the Twins that has not yet officially been announced.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 110

i agree with mike. but anyone think summit could be another possibility,so they can stake their claim since Budweiser seems so have the party deck?

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 1:35 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 111

Are they putting something on the limestone behind home plate under the press boxes?

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 112

Highly doubt they're going to add another beer sponsor like Summit. That would be like adding Pepsi and Coca-Cola as sponsors. Pointless, and would probably anger the other corporation for having competition within a venue, and I'm sure there is something in the contract that would state that there can't be another beer sponsor in the venue. I can't recall going to a venue or stadium that has two competitors as sponsors.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 1:42 PM by MB Highlight this comment 113

The limestone under the press box will say "Welcome to Target Field"

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 1:44 PM by MB Highlight this comment 114

Based on the likely value of the founding partner sponsorships in comparison to what Summit can reasonably afford, it would probably be too expensive for them. The suggestions of Best Buy, DQ, and Pepsi all seem more likely. I could also see Dodge step up given how long they've been a Twins sponsor or possibly Delta Airlines.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 115

It always confuses me how much money fans seem to think Summit has. They're a relatively small company that doesn't have near the advertising budget as the likes of Best Buy, Pepsi, Dairy Queen or Budweiser.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 2:15 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 116

!!!! From the ballpark authority !!!!
Date: Monday, September 29, 2009

Time: 7am to 1pm intermittent closures for westbound lanes;
10am to 2pm intermittent closures for eastbound lanes;

Work Performed: Place temporary plywood protection between Ramp B and the Target Field Plaza for the installation of the wind veil sculpture on the side of Ramp B facing the Target Plaza. (Wait until you see this. It’s really spectacular!)

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 117

Jorge, I was thinking Dodge as well, along with Best Buy/Dairy Queen/Pepsi, but than I realized that Dodge dropped their "primary sponsorship" with the Twins after the 2008 season, resulting in the Stanley advertisement seen on the baggie for the final season in the Metrodome. They were a good sponsor for many years, unfortunately the auto industry took big hit with the economy.

You may or may not have noticed, but Dodge was also removed from the back of the ticket envelopes this year and replaced with Target Field.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 3:43 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 118

IIRC both Miller and Bud are represented in Progressive field, but I'd have to look at some pictures to be sure. I was surprised when I saw it, but it is possible.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 119

Found my pics...It's Kaufmann that has Miller Light in left and Bud Light in right. I was surprised when I saw it, but it's true...watch on TV this weekend!

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 120

Hi guys, I have a pair of tickets to the Gopher Mich St game on halloween night. I wont be able to use them and was wandering if someone would like to trade me for the Illinois game on Nov 7. Thanks alot. section 245 row 16. Thanks again.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 6:40 PM by Ryguy213 Highlight this comment 121

i am fine with no more dodge sponsorships if that also means no more stupid trucks driving onto right field for lame tennis ball drops (from the right field stands) into the bed of a dodge truck in between innings! man, was that a dumb promo for so many years. stupid metrodome and its bouncy surface! ;-)

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 122

Also from the Ballpark Authority:

Date: September 30th - October 1st 2009
Time: 9AM - 3PM Each Day

Location: 394 On Ramp (West Lane & Sidewalk prior to merge) at Intersection of 3rd Ave N. & 5th Street N.

Contractor: Mortenson Subcontractors - AGI / DANNY'S

Work Performed: Erection of the Celebration Sign (Watch for this on the news on Wednesday or Thursday)

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 123

Good call on Dodge being out of the picture, Mike. I am so used to seeing the Dodge ad that I forgot it was gone. Remember when Dodge used that ad to push the Viper? The players were probably the only people in the Dome who could afford one.

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 124

Love the nighttime photos. Thanks for posting them!

Posted on September 25, 2009 at 10:49 PM by Tony Highlight this comment 125

Mike Cameron is dumber than Milton Bradley - and he's pretty dumb. My dad took to calling Miller Park a "giant pimple" on the face of the earth. I can't say I disagree at all. Talk about playing baseball in an airplane hangar. You feel like you're sitting in some sort of giant cavern when you're there, and you get the strange sensation that you have no idea exactly where you are. That's the problem with stadiums like that, no sense of place. And even with the roof open, you still feel like you're indoors.
People have talked about the Sox park being rather crappy. I've lived in Chicago for 8 years now, and as a life-long diehard Twins fan I've been to many, many games down there. I can easily say that I would take "the Cell" (as they annoyingly refer to it) over the dome OR MILLER PARK any day of the week - or month of the year, as it were. Everyone who thought/thinks it was a mistake for the Twins to build an outdoor stadium w/o a roof, retractable or not, is going to feel pretty sheepish next year when baseball folks all over the country are talking about what a great park they've built us Minnesotans. All of the Mike Camerons everywhere will be eating their words.

Thanks for those little temperature stats Mike Brumley. I've found myself getting endlessly annoyed and having to explain that very fact (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/59410632.html?page=1&c=y) to brainless Chicagoans countless times in the last year or two. (No doubt it's the same brainless Chicagoans who don't think twice about going to a rainy December Bears game shirtless and covered in orange and blue paint like an idiot.) I'm just going to start punching myself in the face from now on every time someone suggests to me that it's crazy for Minnesota to build an outdoor stadium. Yeah, I think that punching myself in the face whenever someone says that would be a less annoying conclusion to that conversation...

Why is it that people seem to think that Minneapolis = Northwest Territories or Nunavut?

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 12:48 AM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 126

quiet day on the blog...

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 127

Saturdays usually are. More so today since the site was down for maintenanc=e for a while...

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Posted on September 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM by Rick 128

People all over treat Minneapolis as if it's in the arctic circle. It's ridiculous.

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 6:21 PM by Boof Highlight this comment 129

Boof - Minneapolis has to hold up to its strengths: cold weather and collapsing bridges (we'll NEVER live that one down).
Ever wonder why the NFL won't dare come back up here with the Super Bowl? It's too damn cold.

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 130

Luke, I'm pretty sure the NFL doesn't bring the Superbowl back to Mpls because there is a min. seat requirement that the dome doesn't meet.

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM by twinlves Highlight this comment 131

5 spot in the 4th is just what the doctor ordered. ChiSox beating up on the kitties, sounds like we could be looking a one game deficit in the face tonight boys!

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 7:23 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 132

the Tigers are winning now. Oh, the truth hurts doesn't it!

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 8:19 PM by The Truth Hurts (aka Deenels) Highlight this comment 133

twinlves, I didn't know the NFL had a seat requirement for the Super Bowl. Up North here, they're more concerned about there being a dome, but I didn't know they had a requirement.

I knew the NCAA did for the Final Four (which I think is now 70,000 plus).

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 9:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 134

Forget seat requirements, the reason the Super Bowl hasn't been back in forever is because the dome SUCKS. Baseball, football, basketball, whatever. The dome just stinks.
How could the NCAA have a 70,000 plus seat requirement for the Final Four? It was at the dome 8 years ago, and they cut off half the seats there.

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 135

luke - at least kind of know what you are talking about when you get decide to get into a debate with twinlves.

exhibit a: see the superbowl (seattle vs. pittsburgh) played way "up north" in detroit 4 years ago...........believe it or not in a "domed" stadium.

me shaking my head......

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 136

theloniousjoe - click my name for an article discussing next years Final Four in Indy, which says in part "the seating capacity will exceed the 70,000 minimum which is the requirement of the NCAA Final Four."

The NCAA requirement back when it was at the Dome (1992 and 2001) was about 40,000. But the Final Four has become so damn popular (which is why it's exclusively only in domed stadiums now) they increased their minimum. And what the hell do you expect? Look at last years Final Four in Detroit, the court was on the 50 yard line, with temporary seats all around it! Check out the seating diagrams for the 2010 Final Four and the 2010 NBA All Star Game...

With the next generation of huge stadiums, Glendale, Houston, and the Jerry Jones Palace of Worship, who can greatly increase seating capacity to 80,000 or more for football games, throw in the temporary seating, and the court on the 50 yard line (which Michigan State made popular against Kentucky in 2003), and there ya go.

Incidentally, Mark Cuban, we all know who he is, boasts that he can get 100,000 people at the Jerry Jones Palace of Worship for the 2010 NBA All Star Game.

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM by luke Highlight this comment 137

A while back ago, I saw a picture of TF from the air. It wasn't focused directly on TF, but it was in the upper left hand corner of the picture. Anyone know where this picture is? (If you remember which one I'm talking about)

Posted on September 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM by BB Highlight this comment 138

And now for the Four most Important/Intense/Needed/Nerve-Racking/ETC... Games of the Season! What will my attitude be like on Thursday night? I can't wait to find out

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 139

I just can't get excited....So let's say we sweep Detroit and win the division....What's our reward? Getting killed by NY in the ALDS? They could beat Detroit because this is the worst division in the AL..but Cuddy, Pinto, Tolbert, et al have no chance against the Yankees, let the Tigers get slaughtered by NY instead.

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 4:47 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 140

Good point Kev.
I know I'll get razzed, but I am going to the final game at the Dome on Sunday, and I would like for it to be the final game. I don't want an asterisk by it in the record books saying "Well, it technically was the final game at the Dome - but then the Twins made it into the playoffs, so there were a couple more."

Of course, it still will be the final regular season game. The PR department over there can't guess how long we'd be in the playoffs - so it's not as if the countdown would be altered.

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM by luke Highlight this comment 141

Who are you people? Sure as heck not Twins fans. A Twins fan wants their team to do well no matter the circumstances. Would you have rather the '87 Twins just miss the playoffs? How about the Cardinals 83 Win Championship team in '06? How well did 116 wins work for the Mariner's in the ALCS losing 4 game to 1? We're talking October baseball here people, lets get excited! Who cares when the last game is, we still won't watchin a game at TF until April 2nd. Let's make the off-season a little bit shorter here people. I'll be at the last game regardless, Yankee's didn't do too well the last time they were expected to dominate in the playoffs.

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 6:49 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 142

Camden,

This group of guys don't even come remotely close to resembling the 1987 gang. Let's do a position by position comparison....

RF Bruno or Kubel = I'll take Bruno. CF: Kirby, nuff said, LF: Gladden or Young? = Gladden by a mile. 3rd base: G-man or Tolbert = DUH! Shortstop: Gagne or Cabrera = Cabrera has better numbers, I'll give you one here...2nd base: Lombo or Punto = Lombo slightly better but his attitude sucked...First base: Hrbek or Cuddy? ok I'll stop laughing at that one. Catcher: Laudner or Mauer...Mauer by far.

OK Camden, I'll give this team 2 positions catcher and shortstop, whereas the 1987 team has the rest.

I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. Look at the Twins' record vs NY the past few years. Sure there's a time for anything, but I just don't see Billy's boys matching up with Steinie's boys.

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 9:09 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 143

I agree Camden in that we want the Twins to succeed and get a chance at October baseball, but the reality is, they play in a bad division and have not played well at all this year against the Yankees, Red Sox, or Angels.

They lack the quality/consistent starting pitching needed to succeed in the postseason (heck, we couldn't even beat Oakland in 2006 with Johan Santana starting game 1 at home).

Aside from Joe Mauer, Michael Cuddyer, or Joe Nathan, I don't see a leader on this team like we had in Johan Santana and Torii Hunter.

Guys like Tolbert, Punto, Buscher, Casilla, Young and Harris just don't cut in the playoffs when you are playing teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels.

I want the Twins to succed as I am a big fan and will go to all home playoff games regardless, its just the reality of this 2009 Twins team. They have not played well enough consistently this year, especially against teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Angels.

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 144

i always stick with the twins till the end, even if (to put nicely) we don't do well against the yanks, it would be nice for last pennant in the dome. Plus theres that little chance we could come through who knows? i say never give up!

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 10:30 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 145

I gotta say, even though I'm excited to be going to that "last" game at the Metrodome next Sunday, between now and then I will be hoping that there will be at least one more to follow.

At this point in the season, luck is as big a factor as it gets all year. That's one of the reasons that I've never quite warmed up to the current playoff format or the unbalanced schedule. If the best team in baseball isn't hot right now, and the barely-above-500 team is, anything can happen. That's what we're looking for.

But give a lot of credit to Gardy and the coaching staff for making something interesting out of the box of spare parts they got handed this year. It hasn't always been pretty, but the 2009 Twins are actually fun to watch right now, and there's no telling what kind of magic may be left in these beans.

Posted on September 27, 2009 at 10:54 PM by Rick 146

Aside from Joe Mauer, Michael Cuddyer, or Joe Nathan, I don't see a leader on this team like we had in Johan Santana and Torii Hunter.

Other than three leaders, you don't see leaders like the two leaders you saw on a former team? Huh.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 07:38 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 147

Scoreboard was being tested the other night. For a large majority of the time, it was a blank blue color. That being said, I think they might be close to having it ready.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 10:04 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 148

OG Jeff- they tend to just do colors for the majority of the testing. From my place (apartment in high rise), I could see the Gopher scoreboard and up until Early/Mid-August they only did colors and then they started to do the Gophers logo and highlight from past years.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 10:07 AM by Matt Highlight this comment 149

This years Twins remind me a little of Colorado in '07. They were the hottest team in baseball during the month of September, made the playoffs, and walked through to the WS. Yes, they were swept in the WS, but they did make it there. With how hot the Twins are right now, anything is possible. This week is going to be an exciting week. GO TWINS!!

If we don't win the division, and we are 1 GB, there will be two games that immediately come to mind. 1st would be the game vs. Oakland in Oakland where we blew a 12 run lead, and the second being the game vs. Chicago where Nathan gave up 2 solo shots with 2 out in the bottom of nine, to eventually lose the game. If we are 1 GB on Sunday night, I will think of those two games and, yeah, get pissed all over again. But then log onto the webcams and begin to think of next year.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 10:08 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 150

top of the ninth...correction from above.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 10:17 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 151

trosy29,

Click my name for an article to support at least one of your memorable game ideas.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM by Rick 152

trosy29 - the Twins are hot for sure, but not like Colorado was in 2007. The closest thing to that is the current Braves run.

As a Rockies fan and a Twins fan, I hope Atlanta loses a few. I'm all ready for a Colorado-Minnesota World Series, longshot though it may be. I'll have tickets for all 7 games of the World Series. :)

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 11:41 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 153

As for the Twins missed opportunities, I agree with those and am sure there are a few more. That's why I get really annoyed when any team I care about doesn't play well in April or May and blows it off by saying "it's only one game in a long season".

This week shows why every win counts and September wins aren't any more important than April ones.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 11:43 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 154

jfh, you are soooo right And if the Twins fall a few games short, just remember Jesse Crain, Matt Guerrier and their performances during the first half of the season.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 155

jfh,

I agree. Haven't we been here before...?

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM by Rick 156

DSP updated his blog today. It is about the food options at TF, as well as some other tidbits.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 157

Senor Smokes!!! I love the idea of a Mexican/Latin themed food stand. There is nothing wrong with a little variety at the old ballpark.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 2:25 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 158

I am curious to see what the Target Field "Grand Finale" at the end of the last game at the dome will be that DSP talks about in his blog. I expect a Bejing Olympic-type spectacle dag nabbit! :P

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 5:37 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 159

I admit I had given up on the team back in late July/August when the staring staff was giving up 6-7 runs by the 5th inning EVERY night for what seemed like 3 weeks. They didn't seem to have any answers to fix it. Well now that they are really rolling I cannot believe some of the posts here concerning the lack of interest in them winning the division or not. LET'S GO TWINS, beat the Tigers and Royals and bring on the Yankee$. We get beat, then we get beat, but it would be great to beat the 200 million dollar team.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 160

It looks like, at 1:30pm today (webcam 1), some of the canopy lights were on. Is this true?

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 161

It appears so Michael.
I know they're flipping the switch on for the entire shooting match next Monday night.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 162

My guess for the grand finale would be removing home plate and bringing it to TF. Seems like something i've seen at other ballpark closings.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM by jp Highlight this comment 163

DSP was asked if they were moving anything from the Dump to TF and he didn't seem to know what they were asking, but his short answer was "no." Maybe that is being reserved as a super-secret, but didn't sound like that was the case. Would make for a cool video feed into the dome, though, to watch them install whatever leaves the dome at TF.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 164

The Golden Seat perhaps?
As always, another "a ha" revelation coming Sunday.
I'll be there!

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM by luke Highlight this comment 165

A POSTPONED game in September??? What!?! That doesn't happen in baseball!! Couldn't they build a roof in Detroit??? Rainouts in April at Fenway Park??? What in the heck is a DOUBLE-HEADER??? We don't know what that is in Minnesota, but yet it happens in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston and New York??

What about all of those fans that drove in from out-state Michigan and the Detroit suburbs??

In all seriousness, I can hear the complaining already when the first Twins game is rained out next year at Target Field. As we can see, life will go on in Detroit and they will play a day-night doubleheader tomorrow. It's part of the game, and you learn to deal with it, plain and simple.

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 7:12 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 166

Mike....your rant is music to my ears...keep it up brotha!

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 167

Rick, have you ever thought of turning this website into a published book? I was thinking for a couple of days about how this blog could make for a great coffee table reader type of thing. There are so many great pictures taken and the attention to detail in the photos and writing is excellent in my opinion. I don't think any editing of the content would be necessary because it would be cool to be able to flip through the book and see how the plans have changed and questions answered. I just counted the number of entries and it a whopping 205! and i sure hope more will be coming! But I would be happy if you received some fruits from your labor! I would be a for-sure buyer!

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 168

rick - if you ever turn this website into a book (as mattw suggested) then i want my own chapter! ;-)

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 11:33 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 169

You have to be kidding me. Twins game moved to 3:10 on Saturday!!! They post this 4 days in advance and I don't get off work tell 4. Come on!!!!

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 11:36 PM by Youhavetobekiddingme Highlight this comment 170

regarding mauer:

i really don't want to see gardy DH mauer in the second game tomorrow night. mauer is a young guy and can handle the two games in one day - i think! i could be wrong, but mauer seems to hit better when he is also catching the game as opposed to the DH role.

what say you fellow twins rubes?

Posted on September 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 171

wow, I did not realize they changed the Saturday gametime...I was hoping it would have stayed at 6:10. Hopefully the Badgers-Gophers game is done by 2:30 otherwise I will be arriving late to the Twins game. No way will I leave TCF Bank Stadium early and miss out on the Gophers when they re-claim Paul Bunyan's axe!

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:22 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 172

Is that a VW bug by first base on webcam 1?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 09:33 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 173

Hey, the crane is gone from that 3rd base line gap in the seating. Hopefully they will start filling that ugliness in.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 09:48 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 174

I don't hink that colored blue thing was a crane. I thought it was one too from seeing it on web cam 1. I have seen photos taken up close were that blue thing was. It looked like some sort of large vacuum tube or chute of some kind.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 10:23 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 175

I think the "blue crane" is used to funnel concrete up to that level.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 10:29 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 176

Ah...I saw some sort of boom, and figured it was a little mini crane. But yes, more than likely to was for concrete. Nevertheless, hopefully that was the only reason to leave that section of seating open, and now they can close it up.

Unless they intend to leave it open?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 10:38 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 177

KARE11 will be doing their "Extra" tonight on the Metrodome during the 10pm news if anyone is intereseted. It looks like it may be decent.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 10:52 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 178

Chapter 1: Are the restrooms going to have hand dryers or paper towels?

Chapter 2: Check out Webcam 1 from 8:15 a.m. Wednesday.

Chapter 3: Does anybody know if those topiary things were meant to be bat-shaped?

Chapter 4: New post, please.

Chapter 5: I wish there was a way comments could be arranged some way other than one long thread.

Chapter 6: I wish the comments were one long thread.

Chapter 7: The Truth Hurts arrives.

Chapter 8: The "ignore feature" arrives.

Chapter 9: Blog becomes a ticket exchange club.

Chapter 10: Rick indicted for ticket exchange ponzi scheme when T.C. Bear found hanging behind Lee's Liquor Lounge.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 179

DreDogg - That gap is staying. We had a long discussion about that gap a few treads back. Sorry, but it is staying.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 11:31 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 180

We hired some bright architects.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 181

How is this game not being broadcast in HD right now???? Because it's a day game? Last night's game was suppose to be in HD. This is lame. Almost as lame as Blackburn's pitching right now...

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 182

"Honest, officer, I was having a beer over at TCF Bank Stadium with Goldy Gopher when TC disappeared."

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM by Rick 183

Short version: The gap is for access to the field by emergency vehicles.

Over the weekend I talked to a guy whose company designed, built and installed some of the entrance canopies over at TCFBS. He described the process as pretty convoluted, but the one non-negotiable was that fire trucks needed 13' 6" clearance to get a truck through the opening.

It's probably not a coincidence, therefore, that the opening in the stands at TF is 13' 6".

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:14 PM by Rick 184

DSP, Ron Coomer, Corey Koskie, Terry Steinbach and BBY execs were just here at BBY Corp to make this announcement.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:16 PM by J. Highlight this comment 185

Click my name for link on Best Buy named as a 3rd Founding Partner of Target Field. DSP, Ron Coomer, Terry Steinback, Corey Koskie, and BBY execs were just here at BBY Corp to make the announcement.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:17 PM by J. Highlight this comment 186

Ok, I am confused. I am talking about the gap in the mid-tier seating that is to the right of 3rd, when viewed from cam 1. I'm pretty sure no vehicle will be driving over the seats that are in the section below.

I think, Rick, that you are speaking of the open section that is in left field, to the left of the bullpens?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:22 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 187

First off, this game is on in HD - I'm watching it now.

Second, the gap is to seperate the club seats from a group seating area. Trosy is right, it's staying and has been discussed at length here...

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:32 PM by Goober Highlight this comment 188

Oops, I had the wrong gap.

I don't get why anybody would care about the gap in the club level seats down the right field line. That's pretty standard stuff in modern ballparks.

It serves a purpose and looks cool.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:43 PM by Rick 189

Cool, just looking for a reason as to why it is there.

Don't feel like searching through old posts.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:44 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 190

I was talking about the gap in the deck, not outfield.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 12:47 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 191

I posted this link in the previous thread where we talked about the gap (click name). This is a link to baseball fever where they discussed (with pictures) some of the other gaps. TF's is far from the worst.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM by Tyler Highlight this comment 192

If Nick Punto was standing in front of me and I had a gun, I just might shoot him.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:28 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 193

Swear to God Goober, it didn't start in HD for me! But yes, it's there now. And in fairness to Punto on that squeeze play, the ball was up and he had no choice but to get a bat on it.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:29 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 194

I only have game day. Was alexi off and running?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 195

Now, walking the leadoff batter in the bottom of the ninth in a tie game...that's grounds for a firing squad.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 196

Yes, Alexi was off and running, it was a squeeze play, so Punto had to get wood on it. The pitch was up high and he popped it up for an easy double play.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 197

Alright, I won't shoot him then.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 198

That's one way to advance a runner two bases. Thanks!

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:43 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 199

We need Joe cool to come out of that bullpen.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:51 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 200

Good thing Twins scored two in the 10th....

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 201

And in typical Twins fashion, they have to make it interesting in the bottom half of the 10th.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 202

Whew! On to tonight!!!!

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 1:58 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 203

Seriously, how can you not laugh looking at the hair of both Anthony Laplanta and Roy Smalley at the same time?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 2:00 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 204

Update on our All-Metrodome team 2B Chuck Knoblauch.

Charged with assault, click link.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 2:10 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 205

so does mauer catch the game tonight? or does gardy put him in the DH spot after catching a day game only four hours earlier?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 2:10 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 206

TWINS MAGIC NUMBER: 8
TIGERS MAGIC NUMBER: 6

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 207

Betaband- I would expect Mauer will DH. He never catches a day game after a night game, so why would Gardy have him catch on just 4 hours rest? With a RHP starting for Detroit it seems like the obvious move is to start Morales and put Mauer at DH. Not sure why you would want to put more strain on his knees at this point in the season?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 2:49 PM by ace Highlight this comment 208

"If Nick Punto was standing in front of me and I had a gun, I just might shoot him."

It was a play called "The Suicide Squeeze", been around since dirt was invented - Punto had no choice. Learn the game & pay attention or keep it buttoned.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 2:54 PM by twinznut Highlight this comment 209

Is anyone else getting more and more frightened with Nathan? Have he and Eddie Guardado been hanging out lately or something? The man is going to give me a heart attack soon.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:08 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 210

Twinsnut - first of all, shut up and read it all. I was watching on game day (not on TV). I posted immediately after the play happened. They don't give a very good description of the play (did not say it was a squeeze) I then recanted my statement when I found out the squeeze was on and Alexi was off and running. I know what the F is a Suicide Squeeze is. READ ALL POSTS BEFORE TRYING TO INSULT SOMEONE.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 211

Hey twinznut, calm down. Clearly, if you read all the postings, you'd see that trosy29 posted that he only has game day, so he had no idea that a squeeze is on when he posted about shooting Punto. So why don't you thoroughly read the posts here before you decide to scorch someone about their baseball knowledge?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:11 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 212

Thanks for the support Faber...:-)

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:13 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 213

It's almost like twinznut had a bad day and was just looking for someone to kick around, so he took it out on you.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:24 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 214

Rick...regarding the gap you were talking about in left/center that allows for emergency vehicles to reach the field - I was told by someone working on the project that there WILL be regular seats there. It's open right now (for construction), and it'll be able to be used when needed, but there will be an aluminum flooring there (with seats on top of it) that can be lifted by hydraulics to allow field access (trucks/concert equip/etc)....it just hasn't been installed yet.

I double-checked with the plans, seat diagrams, etc - pretty sure that'll be filled in with seats and a moveable outfield wall to make the section whole.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM by Excited Highlight this comment 215

According to Joe Christienson's tweet today:

Mauer to Gardy: "I got this tonight"

Mauer is catching...

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:48 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 216

atta boy mauer! hope he has a hot bat tonight.

okay, i am going to go and put up another joe mauer "teen beat" poster on my wall. just kidding......well maybe. ;-)

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 3:56 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 217

Mauer wants it...he's a gamer...

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 4:07 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 218

yep, just read the mauer story on ESPN's article about the first game in the game notes. Got pretty excited. Leadership.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 4:19 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 219

Someone posting that they may shoot someone else and it's me having a bad day? Get real.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM by twinznut Highlight this comment 220

Ummmm...metaphor...

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 221

Sitting in my office in Milwaukee watching GameDay today was more than distracting. My Brewer Fan Co-workers did all they could to beat down on the Twins. Whenever they mentioned the Yankees and said we'll get or faces beat in if we do make the playoffs I simply pointed to the World Series Pennants hanging on the wall and ask, "How many do you have?" It was a nice feeling.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 222

I think Twinznut has only one nut.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 223

Fourth and Final founding partner revealed.
Click my name to find out who (trust me, it won't be much of a surprise).
I looked, I dont think anyone beat me to it.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 5:32 PM by luke Highlight this comment 224

From what I've been told, it doesn't sound like the Gold Seat is making the move. As for the 3:10 game on Saturday, FOX picked it up Nationally which means the Twins had to move the time up.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 5:35 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 225

Rick - I thought that outfield gap was going to be closed?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 5:37 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 226

dammit - someone DID beat me to it earlier today. However, they had it wrong by saying it was the third founding partner.
The one revealed today, by my count is four: Target, USBank, Treasure Island, and today's announcement.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 5:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 227

oh, and check out the webcam 1 today at 5:30.
is anyone concerned about that little peek of sunshine right over home plate, which would seemingly be right in the eye of a left handed hitter (say late innings for a 3:10 start) - and also in the eyes of about the first three rows of the Champions Club?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 228

Regarding the gold seat.....The Twins didn't bring Harmon's red bleacher to the Metrodome. Maybe perhaps because Harmon didn't play at the dome, nor did he hit the homerun at the dome. His Twins career was played at the Met, which is where the seat stayed (acutally it's a chair hanging on the wall at MOA.

The same could be said for Kirby. Kirby's career was played at the dome - tragically he'll never play at TF. His game 6 HR was hit at the dome, not TF. The seat belongs where the homerun was hit.

Now if the Twins wanted to bring the 2 seats to TF to display in a museum, that's fine because those were Twins moments. But to "move" Kirby's seat to TF's left field seating are and somehow try to tie Kirby's homerun to TF is trying to re-write history - it's silly, gimmicky and stupid.

Just like Harmon's HR is a Twins moment at the Met, Kirby's HR was a Twins moment at the Dome. The moments belong to the Twins at those locations, NOT at TF. Let's create new elements at TF such as Billy Smith's noose which will come in handy after we spend another off-season with no real free agent pickups. We can also have a Trosy's Nick Punto target practice, sponsored by Remington...OMG, what did I just say???? Put down the kool aid Twinznut!

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 5:56 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 229

kevin - i'm too young to remember, but does the Met seat signify Killebrew's longest homerun, or his 500th?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 6:39 PM by luke Highlight this comment 230

luke,

Sorry to say, Best Buy is the THIRD founding partner. There will be another.

The founding partners will get their advertising on the sides of the scoreboard.

Target's deal is much larger.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 6:42 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 231

Yeah, Best Buy is not the fourth. There will be one more announced probably within the next few weeks.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 7:09 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 232

The red seat at the MOA signifies approximately where Killebrew's longest homer at the Met landed (June 3, 1967, approx. 520 feet).

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 7:22 PM by Rick 233

I correctly guessed Treasure Island and Best Buy and I continue to think the fourth and final founding partner will be Dairy Queen or Pepsi. As I posted last week from the Sports Business Journal, Pepsi has already struck a 7-year deal with the Twins but I don't know if that will be a founding partnership or just for concessions. If Pepsi is not the fourth and final founding partner, I would put my money on Dairy Queen, though I could be wrong.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 8:44 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 234

thanks for correcting me David. I thought someone had mentioned on here that Target was a founding sponsor.

Dairy Queen might be a good choice - heck they have a permanent scoreboard ad at TCFBS...why not TF?

Or, I was thinking perhaps Hormel or 3M.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 235

I was going to mention 3M before I saw your post Luke. I think they are definitely a possibility. Back when the ballpark name was still very much in question, I thought they might be an option for that.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 236

Yeah - I think Charley Walters had even mentioned way back that the Twins had bought www.3mfield.com, as a possibility.

Another possibility could be Land O' Lakes, another potential naming rights sponsor for the park - before Target came along.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:21 PM by luke Highlight this comment 237

Faber and trosy need to get a room. They're fogging up my computer screen with their man love. Kev - put down the binoculars, me boy!

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:21 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 238

3M is not sponsoring anything.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:25 PM by Boof Highlight this comment 239

As luke mentioned earlier... the 5:30 webcam image reveals that it will be disturbing for any hitter up to bat during that time of day during this time of year. Maybe they will have to schedule around games around this problem. Man... it's brutal.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:39 PM by lindywig Highlight this comment 240

I'm 90% sure that's a lens flare on the webcam around 5:30 based on the way it moves (or doesn't) from one image to the next. In a couple of later shots, the reflecting surface would have to be a skyscraper in the Mississippi in order to get in at that angle.

If it's not a lens flare, then it would have to be a surface within the ballpark, meaning the Twins would be able to fix it -- unlike the now well-known skyscraper problem.

Head forward to 6:22 and you can see the real glare problem in evidence just above the storied notch in the club level.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:53 PM by Rick 241

Truth....you ought to see my binoculars buddy....they're awesome! Each eye piece unscrews and each side of the binos holds 8oz of your favorite booze. While security strip-searches me at every sporting event, they have yet to get wise to my binos!!!

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 9:54 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 242

Rick,

Speaking of the Met...What happened to your Met stadium website?

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 10:04 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 243

Kevin,

Well, it got kind of creaky. Some of the scripts stopped working and the links started disappearing (as they always do).

Unfortunately, when I built it I was just learning how to properly design a web site and I hard-coded a bunch of things that tied me to the host company. So it was not as simple as just copying it to a new server when I decided not to renew that old account.

I keep thinking I'll have time to put it back up (you're not the first to ask), but I never quite seem to.

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 10:13 PM by Rick 244

OK, it's up again. (How long did that take?)

I put it under its new domain name: OldMetStadium.com.

There used to be some video links, but I seem to have lost the video files somewhere along the way. (If you have them, named something like "MspMet_wsv1.wmv", let me know!)

I also couldn't get the comment form working again without a major rewrite, so it is just deleted. All of the old comments are still there, however.

Enjoy!

Posted on September 29, 2009 at 11:54 PM by Rick 245

I almost forgot: I didn't check any of the links. So I have NO IDEA what is still out there or not.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 12:11 AM by Rick 246

Two interesting comments this morning from Charley Walters in the Pioneer Press.

I would have included a link, but I think archives on the site are password-based. So to alleviate frustration, two statements:

"Don't be surprised if Twins TV analyst Ron Coomer ends up owning a pub-restaurant one block away from Target Field.

Naming rights for the Timberwolves' Target Center, owned by the city of Minneapolis, expire in two years, and there is a major Twin Cities company serious about replacing the name if a renewal with Target isn't done. The Wolves are bound to the arena through 2025 regardless of the corporate name but receive naming-rights revenue."

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 07:37 AM by luke Highlight this comment 247

This has probably been asked before, but I'm a relative newcommer to the site, does anyone know where the infield tarp at TF will be stored when not in use.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 09:15 AM by trebor651 Highlight this comment 248

Heeeeeeeeeeeere comes the celebration sign.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 09:40 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 249

Re: renaming Target Center. I can't help but think it would might be US Bank Center, because it is called USBank Theater for concert events. Maybe US Bank would up the ante in the arena by acquiring the naming rights for the arena itself.

Then again, Target may renew on Target Center naming rights. That whole end of downtown is Targetville (mind you, I don't have a problem with that). I was thinking this morning that a possible Onion headline and story might be "Minneapolis sells naming rights for city: new name to be "Targetopolis" :-)

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 09:51 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 250

thanks, keep those of who can't access the webcam updated on our old-school logo sign install.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM by tim Highlight this comment 251

"Heeeeeeeeeeeere comes the celebration sign."

Is this thing in one piece and just needs to be lifted up and installed, or is it going to be pieced together on site?

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 252

Rick,

I cant tell you how many days of staring at your old met site i did ... I looked at it for the first time in years last year and saw that i left a comment in 2002 on there and then i fell apon this site by you... kudos on 2 wonderful sites please tell me you did not lose the gallery of the explorers when the met looked sad and dying.

TTH

for once i agree.. those two were getting kinda mushey for a min....

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 10:53 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 253

I cannot imagine the sign will be one giant piece to be lifted and right now its just the crane doing busy work. There is no actual sign visible yet. If anything big shows up, it will be noted. :)

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 254

Thinking more about the glare issue, the Simpson episode where Mr. Burns blocks the sun comes to mind (click my name). Absurd concept of course, but I was wondering if a monstrous screen hoisted up to block that glare during that time may just be crazy enough to work. What a unique feature to the park that would be! Insanely expensive I know, and likely very difficult to execute from an engineering stand point, yet thought provoking none the less...

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 255

Maz,

Robin Hanson's pictures are still there. I have a bunch like that too....somewhere.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 256

Maz,

Here is the link. Click my name.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 257

Kevin,

If you find your pictures, send them on. I'd love to add them!

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM by Rick 258

The bottom section appears to be installed. You can see it added by cycling between the 12:45 and 1pm cam 1 shots.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 1:32 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 259

Another section to the celebration sign has been added. Looks like 3 (at most 4) main pieces.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 2:22 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 260

Correction:
3 or 4 pieces that we can tell. The 15 min lag in images would likely make it appear to be 3 or 4 when it could very well be more.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 261

I thought I read somewhere on this blog of people talking about moving home plate from the Dome to the new stadium. If I recall aren't they putting the home plate that the stadium bill was signed on by Gov. Pawlenty as the home plate for the new stadium?

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM by MB Highlight this comment 262

Ninja~

Get in there and do your thing! We need pictures of the new sign.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 263

Just drove by the Celebration Sign installation area. It appears to be a 4-5 piece sign with 3 pieces already up.

One of the pieces on ground level had the 'Twins' script written on it. Sure enough, it is the updated Twins font that is used on the scoreboard as well. Does this mean that the whole "shaking hands logo" will have a more updated look to it?

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 264

The pics on the Facebook site of the celebration sign being installed nearly brings tears to my eyes. Once in place there is no doubt that that sign will be the true signature of Target Field. An incredible touch all around.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 265

I got some pictures and video! (Some phone pix are already on Facebook.)

And I wasn't the only one. People were pretty much rushing down there to get images.

The sign is in five sections. Lots of neon, and what may also have been some more traditional incandescent bulbs, but I couldn't tell for sure.

It's a beauty.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM by Rick 266

Pictures! Weee!

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 267

Fearless eyes on the ground for all of us daytime webcam hounds...Good work Wanda and Rick.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:21 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 268

I'm wonderirng if one of those "ahh ha" moments is going to be that the "celebration sign" shaking hands logo sign is actually going to appear to be moving shaking hands. How many differnt neons would you need to make appear that the hands are shaking? Six ? How much more expensive could it be? A relative low cost if you ask me. On my way into downtown from 394 around 2pm today, the entire video portion of the scoreboard had the Twins logo lit up on it. The lame one with the "Twins" over a baseball.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 269

Rick or Wanda. Could you put up a link to the logo images you have on facebook? Thanks.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 270

JohnF,

Scroll to the top of this page. The Facebook box is on the right.

Wanda mentioned "seeing" the logo, but not pictures. While I was there it was still blocked by the fifth piece. I got a glimpse and not much more of that part of the sign.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM by Rick 271

Also, we heard a few months ago that the sign would not be animated (for example, shaking hands) due to the cost.

But don't let that distract you. It's spectacular just as it is.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM by Rick 272

Just drove by and saw the sign...SPECTACULAR!!!

A+ for the Twins with this one... it's a winner.

They were putting up some Target Field signs this morning too for some of the secondary entrances.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 273

Rick, Thanks for the tip to the Facebook link. I recall the talk that the sign would not be animated. I'm speculating that maybe, just maybe, they sent out misinformation about that, keeping it secret.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 274

The New Twins logos for the park are nearly unchanged. they have a baseball in the background and it says baseball club. Looks like the logo for Hrbeks new restaurant except it says twins.

Most of the apparel brands are somewhere between dumbfounded and pissed (me being one of them). There are some jersey changes, but very small ones. Caps are basically the same too... Revenue opportunity missed.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 4:39 PM by the uniform bird (aka OG Jeff) Highlight this comment 275

Like how i totally outed myself there? ha

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 276

That sign is the best. I bet it was a great project to work on and build. Wonder how long it took from start to finish??? SIMPLY AWESOME

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 277

Can we get some pictures elsewhere of the sign for those of us that abhor Facebook?

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM by Jesse Highlight this comment 278

I'll post a whole bunch of my pictures later tonight. (I'd do it sooner, but on Wednesday nights, I've got choirs to conduct...)

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 5:01 PM by Rick 279

Are you taking over for Rick Anderson and directing the choir of pitchers on the mound???

J/K...That was the first thing I thought of (the Twins commercial) when I saw your post.

Anyway, looking forward to the post of pictures tonight!

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 5:11 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 280

What do you mean cap changes? Have you seen something prior to official announcements coming in November (I think).

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 5:39 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 281

JCTwins - I've seen it all, other than the home jerseys.

Some nice changes in the away ones. I might be able to post some of the updated logos soon, but I'm on the road this week :)

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 5:56 PM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 282

I've heard they are gonna keep the navy blue TC home hat, and they will have an alternate TC home hat with a red brim and navy blue top. Minnesota script on the road jerseys. I hope they drop the road pinstripes.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 6:07 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 283

Any photos or details on uniforms would be great to hear about. I have to agree, this is a huge missed opportunity for the Twins. I held off buying Twins gear this year (higher priced items especially) awaiting a new desing, or even a new old design.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 284

what is ullger doing holding kubel at third base on that young hit to center. he can score from second with only one out when deep center is 420 ft and it goes over granderson's head. i hate when ullger does that crap. we need that extra run in a series like this ullger!

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 6:25 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 285

WOW on those pics Rick. Thanks! I cannot wait to see the finished product. Also, it is possible that since it is not animated, couldn't they make it appear to be that way with using neon lights flashing on and off in certain positions. Maybe this was ansered, either way, this will be spectacular!

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 286

ok that sign is awesome i can't think of a park that has something like this. it's like going back in time to those great 60's twins teams.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 8:13 PM by tim Highlight this comment 287

For what it's worth, I found this set of Met Stadium pics from its abandoned years and posted the link and images to the Baseball Fever forum on Met Stadium (click my ID for the link). It's from the Flickr account of "dalezoom". Based on when he says the photos in the set are from (some are apparently recent non-Met stadium photos), they might be from November, 1984.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 8:14 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 288

Also, what year/month were Robin Hanson's Met Stadium photos taken?

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 8:23 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 289

Tim: See the Liberty Bell in CF at Citizens Bank Park. These kinds of signs are not unprecedented...

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM by Max Highlight this comment 290

i was referring to the unique quality of the "twins" logo itself. the liberty bell sign, while a great feature, has nothing to do with the actual ballclub, just the city itself.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 9:00 PM by tim Highlight this comment 291

JohnF & Josh,

I'll post some pics soon. You're right John, the alternate is a navy blue top with a red brim. They are also keeping the "M" cap at this point. The road jersey does have script, which is a nice change.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 9:13 PM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 292

Um, no... the Liberty Bell IS featured in the Phillies logo. Max is right. Cool? Yes. Unprecedented? No.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 293

did someone mention long-awaited, long-hoped-for logo changes? does anyone know where I can find them?

OG Jeff (comment 275) mentioned a baseball in the background (which we have now) and "Baseball Club" in it? Come on, if people haven't figured out what line of work the Twins are in by now, almost 50 years, someone has to dig out of the cave they're living in.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 9:47 PM by luke Highlight this comment 294

Ullger gets a huge portion of the Twins' season killing loss tonight. What was the deal on Kubel not scoring from second on a drive to the center field wall? Is Ullger retarded or just incompetent? Did Kubel fall down and get buried in the dirt? They mentioned he was tagging, which means he took off for third when the ball got over Granderson. That debacle was huge, considering that was all the runs they scored tonight. A bigger lead in the beginning of the game and who knows what might have happened.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 9:56 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 295

i stand corrected.

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM by tim Highlight this comment 296

i don't see pics of the sign lit up on facebook

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 297

Checking the web cam, it looks like they stopped installation after the piece I saw. Three parts are up, two more to go. (Probably can't light it up until it's all there...)

Posted on September 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM by Rick 298


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At the other end of the bridge, the configuration of the tracks has become clear.



The brick has been tinted where the circulation ramp meets the admin building.



Seventh Street windows






From the best seat in the house (Section 8, Row A), the right field corner is blocked. (No one may care. Fine with me. People should know.)






Looking through the Oliva gate, you can see the outfield stands.



Look beyond the gigantic hand (a hounds tooth jacket? really?) and you'll get a glimpse of the main grandstand configuration. The two (or is it three?) levels of suites are visible, as is the design of the so-called "split upper deck," and the extensive use of limestone for decorative accents. Let's hope these little touches don't get cut as costs increase, because they make a nice tie-in from the outside of the park to the inside. Of most interest to me is the way that the very best seats are physically separated from all the rest of the seats by that limestone. There will be virtually no way to sneak into these seats. On one level, that's a somewhat sad design feature...



A true fan out in the bleachers



The action drew everybody to the top step. (Click to enlarge greatly.)



Revised outfield configuration (courtesy HOK Sport)



Here we are waiting for the first train to arrive at the station (Nov 14).















I'm not sure why there's a wreath on Gate 3. (I quickly checked the headlines for any dreaded Killebrew news. Whew.) It looks to be in celebration, maybe of the move.



Left to right: Opat, Oliva, Dave St. Peter, Melvin Tennant (Meet Minneapolis), Jerry Bell, Rybak



Work in progress.












Many people will approace the park from this direction and it's a pretty great first glimpse. It features all the design elements in modestly condensed form, and still manages to look like a ballpark (instead of something else).









That's Fifth Street (and a tattooed arm) in the foreground.



Pillows!






Here you can see the real beauty of the Seventh Street side, and get a solid sense of why the overall design really works. The building's purpose is clearly visible, there are numerous connections from inside to outside, scale is nicely mitigated, the stone is attractively used, materials are pleasantly mixed and truly complementary. It's just a winner in so many ways.






From the ground beneath the troubled skyway.









Ballpark elevation diagram, viewed from Fifth Street. (Click to enlarge.)



The limestone now wraps around onto the HERC side.



Ballpark magic: Infield materializes (click to enlarge)









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Section 101, Row 34



Work has begun on the plaza, and the activity has started to impact I-394 traffic.



Knothole non-view #2









This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of Seventh Street (looking west away from downtown). It's inviting, not imposing, and remarkably dignified.









Dan Kenney provided this alternate shot of a walkway behind the view level



Here's the barricade in context at the end of the walkway





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BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

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