June 25, 2007 12:03 AM
It's a little hard to believe that a single state can house two of the worst parks in baseball.
It had been a while since I watched a game which originated in Dolphin Stadium, and I took the opportunity this afternoon to read up about it in the fabulous Complete Guide to Big League Ballparks from the good folks over at Ballpark Digest. About the time I finished the article, Dicknbert were talking about how the equivalent here would be the Twins playing in a park called Viking Stadium.
The indignity of the naming aside, it sounds like a truly terrible place to see big league baseball. Put that together with the Tropicana Concrete Catwalk Palace, and you have a lot of games played under awful fan conditions. Setting the level of play aside for a moment, is it any wonder that neither of these teams has been able to build much of a fan base?
Maybe the Metrodome's claim on the title "worst ballpark ever" is more slippery than I've always thought.
I had a chance this week to see some revised renderings of the Twins ballpark. These are not publicly available yet, but they do show that the design is still undergoing deep review within the Twins organization, and they are not above making changes even at this relatively late date.
The primary change was the significant shrinkage of the restaurant out in center field. It looked not quite half the size as in the familiar drawing. In it's place was an expansion of the outfield seats which has previously been mentioned here. that, in turn, corrected one of my growing concerns about the angle of the seats in that left field pavilion. There is now a slight bend extending up from where the fence bends, allowing all those seats to face the infield directly.
In addition, a party deck has appeared on top of the building at the left field corner. This should please MOJO!
Reusse had an interesting tidbit today:
Complications have ensued with the smallish site behind the Target Center parking ramps. Twins owner Carl Pohlad's contribution in the original deal was advertised as $130 million, but team officials have accepted it will be closer to $200 million by the time the slow-moving outdoor ballpark opens in April 2010.
Hennepin County's investment is capped at $350 million, so the Pohlad family figures to wind up with roughly 35 percent of the tab.
He says this like it's a bad thing! Sounds like the Pohlads are interested in seeing the site work and are willing to commit with their wallets. What could be wrong with that?
Of course, he's writing in the context of simmering negotiations to replace the Dome with a new Vikings stadium. The total dollars maybe should make people nervous, but all of the numbers I've heard the Vikings use seem somehow more realistic than anything the Twins ever used. Wilf doesn't seem like a scammer to me. He seems like someone who it's safe to do a deal with. Maybe that's why Pogemiller (and the Legislature as a whole) could be a little more receptive to what he has to say.
I'm also a bit baffled by the characterization of the project as "slow-moving." In addition to new renderings, I looked at some time-lines this week which show everything as almost exactly on schedule.
What some people, including Reusse, seem to overlook is that there is a huge amount of boring legal work which must be accomplished before any earth can be moved. Just think about what it takes to convince a railroad that they need to move their railroad tracks! I was impressed to learn that all of the major documents necessary to begin this project have been completed and signed. That this got done in less than 12 months is something of a minor miracle given the complexity of the site.
It would be instructive to compare our site to those of, say, the Yankees, Mets, and Nats. (I'll get right on it.)
About Those Complications...
Mike Kaszuba has a piece in today's Strib which touches base with Bruce Lambrecht on the eve of the hearings which will determine the value of the ballpark land.
The final value will be interesting in that it will settle once and for all who was being realistic and who was being grabby. I'll be very disappointed if the value comes in exactly halfway between the county's offer ($13.35 million) and the landowners' request (which we still don't know, but is said to be up to six times that much).
Let's give credit to Lambrecht for at least one thing: his idea to put a ballpark on this land was inspired. It will likely be a home run for everybody involved. I remember those early drawings (mentioned in Kaszuba's article) and how they made the whole thing seem not just plausible, but exciting. From the very first time I heard this idea, the whole thing seemed like something which was probably too good to ever happen. There had to be a catch.
An early concept drawing for the site
Condemnation may have eliminated one of those catches, and there are a few more hovering out there which will have to be addressed. But I'm willing to give Lambrecht credit for the initial vision -- even if he had something to gain.
You've probably read that the Vikings bought up a bunch of land around the Metrodome, and even managed to get an option on the one missing piece (the Strib's main headquarters site). While this has no real impact on the Twins, it highlights something often overlooked when talking about stadiums.
Wilf is a developer, and he knows a thing or two about land values. He was smart enough to move at a moment when the seller, the Star Tribune, was in deep need of some fast cash. Does it matter to him whether a new stadium gets built near there?
On one level, it does not. The land is pretty valuable with or without a new stadium. Of course it's probably worth more in the long run if he gets his retractable roof. And the purchase sends a pretty clear message to the Legislature about his commitment level to making something work.
As far as I'm concerned, this land deal is a masterstroke. And I hope he gets what he wants because it will be very good for that still-bleak end of downtown.
About That Surface Parking
I'm sure you've read here or elsewhere about the surface parking lot to be built to the southwest of the new ballpark. One of the early options discussed was to build a parking ramp at that location, with the idea that something could be built above that ramp at a later date.
But everyone involved was mindful of that little parking ramp next to the LRT station at the Metrodome. It, too, was built with the idea that something could later be built on top of it. But that is easier said than done. It's almost impossible to know how to build a foundation unless you know what kind of building is going to go on top of it...
Instead, the Twins will build surface parking, and have struck a deal with MnDOT to have a special area of the "A" ramp set aside for any additional parking they need. Then, in exchange for covering the potential increased cost of land acquisition, the team obtained the right (for 15 years) to develop above that triangular piece of land.
Long-term, this could be very good for the team and the ballpark, and it sounds like a very clever way to have resolved the land value stand-off.
Thank you to everyone who extended their sympathies in the past week. I'm not sure how she would have felt about being memorialized here -- my grandma was never overly sentimental. But your kind words and stories have been appreciated.
And thanks for stopping by today!
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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."
– Bernie Williams
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Champion's Club details (click to enlarge)
A view straight on of the Pro Shop area and ticket windows (just barely visible). The piers you see beneath the plaza are already almost completed (see final photo).
In the top of the 9th, the sun hit our backs and summer took one last long look.
Which way to the skyway? Really??
Sometime in the late 1980s: B ramp is under construction. Not yet built: Target Center, I-394 and the A ramp.
The electronic sign has been corrected (and never forget that ballpark is one word, not two)
A little higher angle shows how the two stations are close to one another but distinctly separate. The oval, glass-enclosed area is the entrance from the Northstar platform below into the ballpark. The LRT platform is comparable to the other stations along that route.
Here's the entrance from the seating bowl. It's down the outer moat, just beyond the last of the Dugout Box sections.
This is a closer look at the steel work.
Suite level view
very nice suits. Most I did not recognize.
Stairs down to Seventh Street now have the start of railings
From about two blocks away you can finally get an idea of what it looks like. Just to my left (but out of view) was a valet parking stand where a limo was idling.
A distinct misstep, ostensibly to guard against missteps. But methinks I smell a lawyer...
Do you need to know the score?
Here's the entrance from the seating bowl.
Polo Grounds from the south
This is the view from the Seventh Street circulation ramp. It will eventually be covered by the wood louvers.
Our host points to the Puckett Atrium on the diagram.
Click on this photo to see what it looked like on this spot 101 years ago (I'm not kidding)
A skyway-level view down Seventh Street.
Lots of pix waiting to be seen from Bert's memorable night.
The east wall of the building looks like it will be the first part completed. These are probably supports for the plaza, and they hug the very edge of the site.
Looking back toward the doorway into the club
Bike parking available along Second Avenue
The angle on the main scoreboard from the Batter's Eye is surprisingly good -- acceptable, at least.
An early concept for the pedestrial bridge. (Source: Ballpark Authority, RP)
Here is the most recent outfield configuration, captured from the animation video. We probably shouldn't make too much of the logos seen on the scoreboard: Best Buy, Dairy Queen, Target, Pepsi, Dodge and Qwest...
Saturday afternoon, KMSP-HD 720P
That is pretty close... (Grandstand)
BPM - Ballpark Magic
BRT - Bus Rapid Transit
DSP - Dave St. Peter
FSE - Full Season Equivalent
FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)
HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)
HPB - Home Plate Box
HRP - Home Run Porch
LC - Legends Club
LRT - Light Rail Transit
MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)
MOA - Mall of America
MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)
NYS - New Yankee Stadium
SRO - Standing Room Only
STH - Season Ticket Holder
TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium
TF - Target Field
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