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Bay Ball, Part 1

Perception and Emotion

June 2, 2011 2:02 AM

Avert your eyes and thoughts for a moment from the 2011 Twins campaign. You'll feel better, and we can travel together to another place where plenty of baseball is also played.

In 1955, the Athletics left Philadelphia, a two-team market, basically conceding the City of Brotherly Love to the National League.

Three years later, in 1958, the Giants joined the exodus from New York, a three-team market, basically conceding baseball's largest market to the American League.

The Polo Grounds (left) and Shibe Park (Connie Mack Stadium)

Fifty-odd years later, here these two teams are, basically back where they began, trying to capture baseball hearts in a multi-team market. It's working out a lot like in the olden days, too. One team is thriving, the other pulling teeth.

AT&T Park (left) and the Oakland Coliseum

As always, results on the field tell a part of the story. But the ballparks also play a major role.

Don't believe anybody who tries to tell you this is two markets. A quick trip to a Walmart in Oakland (of necessity only) found the two baseball teams represented exactly equally, and right next to one another in every place they appeared.

The Bay may be a big psychological divide, but there's no denying that these two ballparks are about 10 miles apart as the crow flies, and only a 20-minute BART ride (see the sidebar for more on my public transportation experience). Visible logos on the trains I rode were split almost equally between the Giants and A's. The same was true pretty much everywhere I went other than the ballparks.

For the ballpark-obsessed visitor, however, this makes for a truly great two-for-one destination. If you go, be sure to work both parks into your schedule. I saw the Giants and Diamondbacks on a Thursday afternoon, and the A's and White Sox the next night.

Like the franchises and the cities, the ballparks are a study in contrasts. There are definitely two different demographics at work here, not unlike those of the old-time two-team towns. Thus, the ballpark experiences are pretty different, just as you would expect.

Here are some very quick baseline comparisons, featuring a few broad generalities and TF for reference:

  Coliseum AT&T Target Field
Completed 1966 2000 2010
Cost $25M (2010$178M) $337M (2010$422M) $435M
Financed 100% Private 100% Private 60% Public, 40% Private
Renovated 1996 -- --
Cost $200M (2010$275M) -- --
Financing 100% Public -- --
Class Superstadium Revival Post-Revival
Schematic Concrete Donut Compact Urban Compact Urban
Style Utilitarian/Brutalist Ballpark Retro Ballpark Modern
Architect Skidmore, Owings & Merrill HOK/Populous HOK/Populous
Usage Multi-purpose Baseball only Baseball only
Coliseum AT&T Target Field
Footprint 606K sq ft 500K sq ft 477K sq ft
Site 4600K sq ft (incl arena) 500K sq ft 534K sq ft (incl plaza)
Context Suburban/Industrial Urban/Entertainment Urban/Entertainment
Arrive Car or BART Muni, foot, ferry Fan's choice
Capacity 35K (or 48K, or more) 43K 42K
Sightlines Distant, not bad Excellent Mixed bag
Better Field Infield Premium Lower Box Legends Club
Worse Anywhere in center Arcade RF Bleachers
Value Value Deck ($12) Who knows? Field View ($12)
Coliseum AT&T Target Field
Crowd Sparse, noisy Almost full, polite Packed, giddy
Fans Working, diehard Upscale, casual Young, suburban
Vibe Comfortable, loose The place to be Big baseball party
Kids Participating, watching Distracted, disinterested Trying to start the wave
Staff Sleepy Serious Smiley
Concourses Partly open, narrow Closed, narrow, quiet Open, clogged always
Signature Covered seats, Mt. Davis Bottle, glove, bay Minnie & Paul, skyline
Scoreboards Ancient, creaky Modest, useful Huge, a bit busy
Ribbonboards None Surprisingly few Everywhere
Sound Single-point, acceptable Crystal clear Very uneven
Advertising Typical, scattered Very restrained Sufficiently restrained
History If you look for it Everywhere, nice Mostly inside clubs
Coliseum AT&T Target Field
Cool Tailgating Free-standing backstop Overlook, flowers
Uncool Neighborhood Backless bleachers Moats, SRO overload
Weird Staircases to field Wandering concourses French fry lights
Interesting Original fixtures Right field wall Wood-backed seats
Notable 2 decks, 1 concourse Stand/walk in right Stand wherever
Outside Walk-away bazaar Real knothole area Public art
Do Consider the upper deck Dress in layers Sit almost anywhere
Don't Kids' area Stand still too long Bud Deck
Must Irish pub Bayside promenade Batter's eye drink rail
Purist Value Deck History wall (incl NY) Standings flags
Critics Cavernous, dull Weather, congestion Sterile, Target-y
Meh Suites, clubs Kid zone Hrbek's, Twins Pubs
Sigh Troughs Water, mountains, grass Sunset over the canopy
Coliseum AT&T Target Field

If you see something in the chart which isn't self-explanatory, don't worry. I'll elaborate at some point in this series. And while this article and the next focus on comparisons between the two parks, I'll have more about each park individually immediately following. For now, let's continue the comparisons.

Perception and Emotion

I've not heard this said before, but I found that AT&T Park has a miniature quality about it, as if Dayton's (er, Macy's) 8th floor auditorium was putting on a baseball-themed Christmas show. At first glimpse of the field, I wondered if I had wandered into a Little League facility by mistake. (Indeed, before the day was over, two teams of tweens would take the field in a beautiful display of youth baseball.)

This perception is partly because there is a gigantic expanse of water visible beyond the outfield stands. The optical illusion is striking and spectacular. The park feels very much like an oasis, or perhaps on its own island.

Exactly the opposite effect is in place in Oakland. The field is literally dwarfed by "Mount Davis", the colloquial name (used by every single person I talked to) for the football pavilion installed in 1996. One could be forgiven for wondering if that monstrosity is as tall as the field is deep.

But if you think this stark difference is going to lead me to lavish praise on one park and trash the other, not so fast. AT&T is naturally and definitely the winner in any competition between the two parks, but I found quite a bit to like about each, and for various and unexpected reasons.

For example, I was prepared to hate the Coliseum. In most corners it's simply dismissed as a relic from a different era, hopelessly out-of-date. To an extent, that is true. Multi-purpose concrete donuts are certainly anachronistic. The revenue streams are decidedly out-of-date, and it easily fits the definition of "economically obsolete."

It also falls squarely in the "pile in a parking lot" category. My first glimpse of it came on a shuttle bus ride from the Oakland airport to the BART station, and I'll admit this: it's ugly.

But, it's also kind of beautiful, in a modernist/brutalist, 1960s sort of way -- an era when bare concrete was the stuff of art, architecture and big thinking. The building essentially has no facade. It looks like what it is, and lets it all hang out. I can respect that.

Facilities from the 50s and 60s all had a get-it-done quality to them which has been superseded in successive generations of stadium design. Nobody cared about the facades back then. They were afterthoughts –- if they were given any thought at all.

Shibe Park

This is in stark contrast to the eras both before and after. The A's seminal home, Shibe Park, had one of the most ornate facades in baseball history. It was intended to imply prosperity, permanence, and confidence. It wrapped the pastoral game in classic motifs -- repetitive, vertical, rounded, comforting, awe-inspiring. It was also very much in line with other urban (and baseball) architecture of the time.

Shibe Park was also built to integrate with and anchor a neighborhood. There are certain expectations of architecture in such a situation. Shibe met those expectations and exceeded them.

Oakland Coliseum

No such thing can be said about the Coliseum. It was built to lure a team, and what it looked like on the outside really didn't mean much. There would be no neighborhood, just the standard sea of asphalt stretching off in every direction. (Confidential to Zygi: Those days are so gone.)

With such a big, flat parcel of land, it made sense to the engineers to put the facility smack dab in the middle of it all -- effectively equidistant from all the cars, but also as far away from any neighbor as possible. And because they were much more concerned with wind control than they were with aesthetics, they opted to bury much of the building.

As a result, like the later Metrodome, the Coliseum is surrounded by an artificial hill which hides about half of the total height. What can be seen above is mainly the underside of the upper deck, with gates appearing at regular intervals but recessed so as to be almost hidden.

At one point as I walked around the exterior I came across a large group of people milling about mysteriously. Turns out they were in line to enter a gate I couldn't see! Once inside, these are the same type of long, low entrances which graced so many shopping malls and other public buildings of the era.

The exterior concrete walls which you can see remain relatively free of the nearly-ubiquitous gigantic banners which are often used to try and disguise seemingly unattractive facades. The result is that the place wears its origins with a sort of resigned pride. (The Vikings improved the look of the Metrodome when they became the sole tenant, but they're not fooling anybody. The place is still made of cement. And not the modernist, potentially attractive kind. Sometimes it's best to just be who you are. Sometimes not.)

It's also a pleasure to see the original light standards still in service, reaching out of the heap, and looking like living cousins of those we remember from the Met.

As an aside, that football pavilion, despite its ugly and tall hugeness, also reminded me emotionally of the Met and its own gigantic football pavilion, in which I sat (cheaply) for most of the games I attended. I was unprepared to be taken back to that emotional space, and my heart warmed to the Coliseum as I entered it. (But let's be clear: Mount Davis may be one of the most unfortunate pieces of sports architecture in history. More on that later.)

The experience across the bay couldn't be more different. It starts with the fact that the Giants franchise has a very different stadium history.

Polo Grounds facade, obscured

The Polo Grounds, by virtue of (I think) geography, had a very plain facade in its ultimate incarnation. There was no real way to see the whole exterior, so there was little point in adorning it. (Not so across the Harlem river.)

Polo Grounds from the south

Candlestick Park has much in common with the Coliseum, being from only a few years earlier. It's a lot of cement and parking, with nearly identical light standards. The facade is slightly more refined (and was when built), but certainly wasn't on anyone's priority list.

The original Candlestick Park

Between those two was Seals Stadium, an Art Deco gem which housed the team while The Stick was under construction. It had the most distinctive appearance of any Giants stadium before their current home.

Seals Stadium

Thus, the outward appearance of AT&T Park is not really intended to connect with anything which has gone before in Giants history. Instead, its facade is a direct result of two factors: neighborhood and fashion. When it was built, the retro ballpark movement was essentially at its peak. Everyone wanted one. Happily, this also worked well with the China Basin site.

The red brick, large windows and semi-ornate detailing (nothing as careful as Shibe, but carefully considered, nonetheless) reek of the retro trend, but with sufficient reason. While it's not fair to say it fits perfectly with its surroundings (several nearby buildings are glass boxes), it does put an exclamation point at the end of Second Street, which is lined with early 20th century structures. Ultimately, the ballpark fits well with the neighborhood.

On the horizon, the profile of AT&T park neither soars nor sprawls, unlike its ugly stepsister across the bay. It is every bit as tight and compact vertically as it is schematically, just barely reaching above its surroundings.

It can actually be difficult to get far enough away to appreciate its facade and profile. I had to cross to the other side of King Street just to get a good look.

From every angle, compactness, control and efficiency rule. But just as there was an optical illusion inside, wide sidewalks, a large (but underutilized) plaza, and a beautiful bayside promenade provide the exterior illusion of spaciousness. The average patron will probably not notice just how crammed into its site this ballpark is. It's every bit as impressive in this regard as Target Field -- though they didn't have to move any train tracks!

But here's my unexpected emotional reaction to these two parks: AT&T's retro facade, while superficially attractive, held no emotional content for me. I was not moved by a sense of nostalgia, maybe because the whole retro fashion has come and gone, or maybe because it doesn't connect directly with anything in Giants history, or maybe just because the ballpark of my youth didn't look like that at all.

The ballpark of my youth looked a whole lot more like the clunky Coliseum, surrounded by surface parking and retrofitted for football. The more I walked around the Oakland park, the more I was transported back in time, and it was sweet.

AT&T Park's facade tries just a little too hard to look vintage. It has a very slight Disney Main Street quality to it, and it ultimately sinks into the morass of retro ballparks built with consideration mostly for fashion. I liked it, don't get me wrong, but it didn't take me back anywhere. In fact, it looked a little bit dated.

That's the problem with imitating history. It's never as good as the original, and is pretty quickly outed as false in some way. (Prediction: Target Field's limestone facade will age much more gracefully.)

Next in part two: Diamonds and Disappearance


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Very nice synopsis Rick.
Question - in your chart up there, you noted (with the exception of the 1996 addition of Mount Davis to Whatever-they-call-it-this-week Coliseum) that it was 100% privately funded in 1966. As was the 2000 construction of AT&T Park.

What I don't understand, is how can California figure out how to privately finance these places? As far as I know, the Staples Center was also privately financed, as was Dodger Stadium (the last 100% privately financed ballpark in MLB until AT&T), and I believe even the Angels ballpark renovation was privately financed.

And, the as-yet-to-be-opened-yet-even-built football stadium in LA that's luring the Vikings apparently is privately financed.

I'd like to know their secret.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 07:35 AM by luke Highlight this comment 1

My understanding is that there were many perks and incentives given to the teams which enabled them to "privately" fund those facilities. Just a different kind of public involvement in the projects.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 08:55 AM by terry Highlight this comment 2

Sorry but sidenote: Lots of big destructive weather (tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, tsunamis), the Vikings play outdoors, the state of Hockey in the state of hockey is horrific, the Twins go first to worst in an abysmal fashion and now Ricky Rubio has agreed to play for the timberwolves next season...The world must be coming to an end.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 09:56 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 3

How much longer can they tolerate Young's half-hearted (bet you thought I was going to reference a different part of the anatomy) effort both at the plate and in the field? The signature moment of this omelet of a season may have been the "Go Fetch" play in the game against Toronto.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 10:26 AM by terry Highlight this comment 4

Ricky Rubio will be the T-wolves savior next year! Oh wait there won't be a season next year. LOL! Thanks for the memories to the following


Time to gut and run! See if you can trade any of the above along with Fransissco and Morneau. Then put the $23 mil baby jesus at 1st. Too bad Ramos is gone! What a difference a year makes!

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 10:43 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 5


Their "secret" is Proposition 13, which severely limits what the California government can do to increase revenues. That's also the reason their state is effectively bankrupt. (And probably the reason the BART system is as creaky as it is.)

All talk of ballpark financing should come with an asterisk. In the case of the Coliseum (which was pre-Prop13), things were just done differently back then. The Met was financed in a similar fashion, where a bunch of businesses and individuals just put up the money because they wanted a team.

In the case of San Fran, there was about $90 million of public money spent on "infrastructure" upgrades. If you could dig into the ballpark-funding proper, it's likely you'd also find lots of shenanigans.

Frankly, the primary difference between them and us is transparency.

But if you follow these things closely, you'll know that the Giants have been in lots of financial trouble since their ballpark was built, in large part because of how they had to finance it.

Their kind of "financial trouble" is very different from yours and mine, but they have definitely been impacted (and still somehow managed to play in two World Series, and even win one). The same thing may be getting in the way of the A's getting a new ballpark.

Financially, California is one gigantic mess. Many, many people wish Prop 13 could be repealed, but it's hard to imagine, given the public's shallow understanding of how government finances work.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM by Rick 6

Outstanding piece Rick. I was at Phone Co. Park last week. Regarding the retro-ness, I agree that the outside didn't really speak to me, but I did think that the internal concourses etc did feel like an older park in a very pleasant way. The corridors were kind of cramped and had lots of exposed iron beams etc that made me think a bit of Wrigley or Comiskey.

And I totally agree on the small feel of it. The lack of any right field stands puts all the focus on the field and it felt very intimate.

Next time I will hit the Coliseum to get me some of that Met nostalgia.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 11:27 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 7

By the way regarding transportation to AT&T, I was down the Peninsula by the airport so I took Caltrain up. Very nice, drops you a block and a half from the park. And since it comes all the way up the Peninsula from San Jose, and since it was going against rush hour traffic at that time, the train was one big Giants party. Virtually everyone on the train was going to the park and it was packed.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 11:40 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 8

I sat next to a guy at lunch who predicts that the Twins will win 83 or 84 games this year.

I'm not sure what he was drinking...

Nice writeup as always, Rick. I hope to visit San Fran and their ballpark someday.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 9

Excellent write up Rick, I'm following the Twins to the bay area in about two weeks and loved the piece on the BART. I've been looking at the route maps online, and found it very confusing.

Quick question about the Coliseum: How much freedom do they give you to roam about and see the ballpark? I'm sitting right in the middle of Mt. Davis and am assuming the seats themselves will be terrible, and am hoping I'll be able to spend at least 4-5 innings wandering. Also where is the Irish Pub you mentioned in your chart and is it open to all ticket holders?

Thanks in advance, looking forward to part 2

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM by jp Highlight this comment 10

Well our season ticket holder group just lost a 2nd member for 2012 and its only June....will be interesting come August when the Twins send out the 2012 renewal notices just how many people renew or downgrade. This team is not going anywhere anytime soon. Of course, there will be a lot of Twins fans who drink the "get your priority for the 2014 All Star Game" kool-aid and stay on as STH's.

Nice reviews Rick! Pac Bell Park is definitely a top-3 ballpark in my opinion. I was there two years ago.

As for Target Field, I completely agree with the crowded concourses and too much SRO...but perhaps, we won't need to worry about that being an issue for much longer.

I also agree in that the vibe is a big baseball party. I am not sure if its just a new younger crowd or the simple fact of being outdoors, but I don't ever remember seeing so much alcohol consumption during the final years of the Metrodome. Yes, there was alcohol consumption at the Dome, but nothing near what Target Field is experiencing.

At approximately $7.00 a beer, that is a lot of revenue...

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:50 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 11


You can go pretty much wherever you want at the Coliseum -- other than the ultra-exclusive club of folks who sit right behind home plate (their equivalent of the Champions Club, the name of which I forget).

The Irish pub is on the main concourse behind home plate, I think slightly toward the third base side.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 1:34 PM by Rick 12

OK, that's 2 kool-aid references in less than a day. I'm pretty sure that somebody insignificant banned the use of "kool-aid" on this blog. So don't be un-kool and aid in the continuance of this petty misdemeanor. Is everybody kool with that?


Posted on June 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 13


Posted on June 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 14

It's also a little known fact that Jim Jones fed his followers Crystal Light.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 2:42 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 15

Great post sir! I wanna do a ballpark tour someday, when i have more money and i will remember these posts!

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 3:27 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 16

Thanks, Rick. I was doing a little research on Prop 13 on the internet now that you mentioned that. It does sound like a mess.

You're probably right, the fact that Prop 13 allows California to only collect a certain percentage of a land's value in property tax (at least that's how I understand it), is part and parcel a reason California is so bankrupt.

I think Wikipedia said that it's virtually political suicide to even think about repealing it.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 4:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 17

SRO contributes to TF concourse congestion for sure. But don't you think there is much more to it than just SRO?

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 4:48 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 18

Dave - Absolutely. The mere fact that more than half of the people come through some part of the plaza is a big part of the equation. (I made that percentage up.) That puts more stress on the corridors leading to the plaza, the restrooms near the plaza, the concession stands around it, etc... Plus, even though fans can walk all the way around the stadium, it's not really heavy-flow friendly, especially on the second deck in the center field where you must go up and down stairs that include a landing in the middle of the stairs that make you do a 180-degree turn. Pedestrian-traffic wise, TF is only mediocre, IMHO.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 5:33 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 19

Don't worry about the congestion issues...the Twins are working hard at eliminating that problem on a daily basis. You should be free to roam about the concourse come August.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 7:12 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 20

Received an e-mail from the Twins today. They apparently understand how difficult it has been for us to get even a small percentage of our investment back:

"The Minnesota Twins have partnered with Tix for Tots, a well-known, non-profit social services agency to offer Twins Season Ticket Holders a quick and easy way to donate their Twins tickets online to kids living in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. This is a great opportunity for you to share your Twins tickets with kids who would not ordinarily have the opportunity to attend a Twins game."

I wonder how many tickets the Twins have donated themselves? I mean, they appear to have inventory now.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 7:42 PM by tk Highlight this comment 21

Absolutely agree with TTH in regards to the traffic/flow patterns at Target Field. Maybe it was site constraint issues or just HOK/Populous trying to fit 10lbs of sh1t in a 5pm bag, but there are areas of the ballpark that are downright dreadful to walk thru (especially between 30 minutes up until gametime). I personally try to avoid walking out behind the LF bleachers & behind home plate on the main concourse. The other that is becoming more apparent is the disproportionate number of mens vs womens bathrooms. Their locations are spread out irregularly and it is clear that bathrooms were NOT a priority (because they don't generate revenue...).

While I think Target Field is nice, I certainly don't put it in my top 5 favorite parks. People tend to get blinded by what they know & are familiar with which is why Minnesotans who only knew the Metrodome and are still in awe of Target Field love it so much.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:25 PM by Max Highlight this comment 22

Luke: can u please just simply answer the question. Was that you in the mouse costume? If so, good effort sir. You might have a future in on field streaking, but we'll need to improve your footwork...

Rick: where did you sit at AT&T? Just curious how many and specifically which ballparks you've now been to (both retired & current)?

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:37 PM by Max Highlight this comment 23

As someone who regularly works with a kid that has autism and aspergers, I can stress enough how much of a value the Tix for Tots program is. I get emails about every other day listing the ticket opportunities available to a wide array of events. It's great to see the generosity. The program allows me to bring him to these events he normally couldn't go to. However, I try really hard to get whatever I can for him and I but there is always high demand, short notice, etc and the tickets available get snapped up VERY quickly. Even though we haven't been fortunate enough to utilize the program (most of the time I just buy tickets for us), its great to have the opportunity and I can assure you any contributions to this program are highly appreciated.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 24

Of the "modern" ballparks, I've visited Camden, Safeco, and Coors, but I can't remember if the access to upper decks at those parks is the same as TF, where everyone has to negotiate at least part of the main concourse to get where they're going. Can y'all who are more familiar shed some light? Is the SF park built that way? Are there any new parks that have separate upper deck access, where upper deck patrons avoid the main/lower concourse altogether?

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 9:17 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 25

Max, I already did answer your question: I'm not in the game of fulfilling the weird sexual fetish you have for mouse costumes (or streakers for that matter).
With that said, I'd stay very clear of Disney World - as you know, they have a huge mouse costume walking around there.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 9:18 PM by luke Highlight this comment 26

I can understand what Rick was talking about with the BART being noisy and creaky. Found this vid on YouTube (clicky). Has a strange hum as it's coming into the station and an odd sounding "bell" that sounds like 80s techno. As it approaches, it then sounds like a 747 coming in for a landing.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 9:41 PM by luke Highlight this comment 27

Jared, I appreciate you sharing your story! This is the first time I have heard of the program and I feel it it was not well introduced to me as an STH.

I am just surprised more information was not provided about the program and to whom benefits. I went to the Twins link for more information and I was not able to find any further information.

It seemed like just a brief mention and that was it, as if that is all they cared about, checking off a box to say they were helping. It did not provide statistics on who benefits and how it helps the community, etc.

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 10:49 PM by tk Highlight this comment 28

Well intentioned I'm sure. If they really cared about the kids, they wouldn't subject the poor souls to watching this garbage. How about donating movie tickets?

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 11:21 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 29


In addition to the Met, the Dome, and TF, I've seen:

New Comiskey*
Busch II+

...and a handful of minor league parks. I've also visited and photographed numerous former sites of ballparks.

+ = Gone
* = Major renovations since I was last there

I've worked out a schedule that will allow me to see them all once every five years. It relies heavily on short trips like the one I took to SF in May. So far, I'm on schedule, but it's going to be tough given the rigors of parenthood and self-employment. (My spouse is very gracious about the whole thing, but she has limits, and I won't push them.)

Both the Giants and A's graciously issued me press credentials for my visit. I barely sat down while I was at either park, but when I did, it was in the press box.

Of course, that was pretty short-lived, and just for making notes. I spent most of my time during each game cruising around investigating and taking pictures, trying to see every single corner of each place. But I did sample -- for a few minutes each -- numerous different seats in as many parts of each ballpark as I could. It was much harder in SF because the place was almost completely full. I had to do more observation by standing in the aisles.

And it's all for you BPMers!

Posted on June 2, 2011 at 11:27 PM by Rick 30

Says Charley Walters in today's Pioneer Press:

"The Twins’ Target Field is the fourth-best ballpark in the major leagues, behind the Pittsburgh Pirates’ PNC Park, the Boston Red Sox’s Fenway Park and the San Francisco Giants’ AT&T Park, according to, published in the New York Times."

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 07:11 AM by luke Highlight this comment 31

Rick's list of ballparks he has visited got me thinking about my list. As someone said on the HBO film "When It Was a Game", you never stop collecting ballparks.

Wrigley Field
Old Comiskey Park
New Comiskey Park
County Stadium
Miller Park
The Met
The Dome
Tiger Stadium
1966 version of Busch Stadium
Safeco Field
Dodger Stadium
Riverfront Stadium
Cinergy Park
Jarry Park. Parc Jarry for you Quebecois (I was made to feel very humble by a fluently bi-lingual 10 year old girl sitting in front of me in the bleachers)
Fenway Park
post-1973 Old Yankee Stadium. I would have loved to have seen it before the 1970's renovations - 1970's ballpark architecture was to ballpark architecture what 1970's fashion was to fashion (think leisure suit).

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 09:57 AM by terry Highlight this comment 32

My List

Old Met
Humpty Dump
County Stadium
Miller Park
Comiskey Park
New Comisky Park or US Cell
Wrigley Field
Memorial Stadium
Camden Yards
Municipal Stadium KC
Kaufmann Field
Turner Field
Coors Field
Petco Field
The Big A
Chase Field

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 10:16 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 33

Rick, the Ballparks by the Bay must have make quite an impact on you to insert them as your daytime header images. Very much looking forward to our game at AT&T. Can't say that I will bother going to Overstacked Place anytime, trip down memory lane notwithstanding.

Thanks for all of the insight. Looking forward to more insider tidbits in the weeks leading up to our trip to SF.

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 11:49 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 34

My list:

Target Field
The Cell
Miller Park
New Busch
Old Yankee
Nats Park
Safeco (was in seattle during the winter so regrettably only a tour)

Hitting up ATT, the Coliseum, Dodger, Anaheim, Petco and Coors by the end of the month.

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 2:16 PM by jp Highlight this comment 35

If anybody ever gets the chance I recommend Coca Cola Field in Buffalo, home of the Mets AAA affiliate. It was built in the late 80's with expansion capabilities in hopes of luring a team to Buffalo. Super cheap seats for a stadium that feels like a tiny metrodome without a roof or any outfield seating.

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 2:22 PM by jp Highlight this comment 36

My list:


Posted on June 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 37

Actually, I kind of like to see and hear where people have been. If the conversation doesn't pertain to you or if you can't contribute TTH, it doesn't me NOBODY CARES. Now get back to your crossword puzzles and Activia.

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 3:13 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 38

"Actually, I kind of like to see and hear where people have been."

Two words: National Geographic.

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 3:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 39

My list isn't even as impressive as everyone but here it is:

Miller Park
Target Field
Citizens Bank Park

I hope when i get money to add to this list!

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 5:19 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 40

None of you have taken the 10-hour trip to Toronto and the SkyDome (I don't care who has the naming rights, it'll always be the SkyDome to me), or pre-1989, Exhibition Stadium?

Terry, I'm impressed - I don't hear about Jarry Park very often.

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 6:05 PM by luke Highlight this comment 41

Since were doing lists, here's mine in no particular order

Metropolitan Stadium
Target Field
County Stadium
Kauffman Stadium
Wrigley Field
new Comiskey Park
Jacobs Field
Tiger Stadium
Sky Dome
Yankee Stadium
Camden yards
Safeco Field
AT&T Park
Safeco Field
Oakland Coliseum
The Ballpark in Arlington

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 42

Here is my list although there are quite a few football stadiums mixed in.
The HHH Dome
The old Met
County Stadium
Sec Taylor Stadium (AAA team in Iowa)
Mile High Stadium (Denver Bears AAA team in Denver)
Jack Trice Stadium (college football)
TCF Bank Stadium
Folsom Field in Boulder (football)
Arrowhead Stadium -football
Winnipeg Stadium -football
I want to go to Kauffman Stadium some day,too.

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 43

Two good wins in a row. What happened to our team??

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 10:03 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 44

Also Pavano got 100th win!

Posted on June 3, 2011 at 11:58 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 45

Hello from KC! Nice to see this team put two solid wins back-to-back. First time at Kauffman, 3rd time to KC. I will be blogging about my experience elsewhee in a couple days. However, I just wanted to say that I am thankful for the parking options we have in Downtown Mpls.

What a mess trying to leave The K tonight, this even with a "Premium" parking tag. Traffic contol that appears to have never directed traffic, people trying to cross the parking lot in driving lanes and not using crosswalks, and no directional signage. Thanfully tomorrow I will now know what to look forward to.

Anyone else have the joy of this experience? I do not think that I would be able to put up with this 40 games a year. I am not sure I would be able to 2-3 times if this is what the Arden Hills location will create for the Vikes. However, I am sure there I would just tailgate after the game, drink beer, and wait out the traffic.

Overall, the trip has been great so far.

Posted on June 4, 2011 at 12:48 AM by tk Highlight this comment 46's main article for today is about the Twins uniform change in '87.

Posted on June 4, 2011 at 06:33 AM by Dust Highlight this comment 47

Three good wins in a row!

I think I'm going to faint... /thud/

Posted on June 4, 2011 at 9:09 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 48

I have seen just as many wins away from TF, as I have seen there at 2. It also took me 10 fewer games...

Posted on June 4, 2011 at 10:32 PM by tk Highlight this comment 49

There have been a few on here who swear by the Holiday Superstation hot dogs in lieu of the ones served up at TF.

Is there a Dairy Queen by TF?? DQ serves up great hot dogs, that I think are slightly better than Holiday's.

Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 50

If only there was some sort of Web search engine that would answer questions about things like restaurant locations....

Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:34 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 51

the division is in the bag. You doubted em, but now they're here!

Posted on June 5, 2011 at 3:24 PM by mj Highlight this comment 52

Click my name, listen really hard: I wonder if REM included the lyrics "Twins sweep the Royals, on the road"

Well, regardless, it is "the end of the world".

Posted on June 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM by luke Highlight this comment 53

Thanks Dust, great piece. I've always thought the unis in 1987 were lame, but it it true that they were better than the hodgepodge of crazy stuff the Twins wore in the 1970's and 80s's. Can't they just stick to the throwbacks and the nice new greys.

Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:16 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 54

TK, I think you're good luck. Are you heading to Cleveland for the next series??

Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:39 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 55

F_T_K, Thanks, unfortunately I am not. I am thinking about staying away from TF, as I am bad luck there. I am 2-10 this year at TF. I think last year was a fluke when I was 28-11. The last year in the Dump I was 9-33.

In regards to parking at The K, parking was much better on Saturday. Might be that you did not have the fireworks crowd and I think Twins fans who were first time travelers, myself included, were able to figure out the intricacies of the parking.

Watching the games live this weekend really showed that this team is starting to get their swagger and they looked like they were starting to show more confidence, especially running in and out of the Dugout. Still, Young, what the heck is he swinging at?

I loved the Dink-el-man chant that was echoing through the stadium on Saturday, along with a brief M-V-P chant. HAHA. I think I might start a write-in campaign for him for the All-Star game.

1st PA, 1 pitch HBP, a base hit, and then the Royals feared him and gave him IBB. (I kid about the fear for those that did not pick up the SARC)

I really liked how the Royals PA guy announced Dinkelman when he made his first plate appearance, "Now batting in his major league debut, Brian Dinkelman."

Well, the Twins head into Cleveland 12.5 games back and will head back home either 9.5 games out of 1st/2nd place or up to 15.5 games out of 1st.

Go Twins!

Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:12 PM by tk Highlight this comment 56

notice the decline of the Indians... notice the rise of the Tigers.

Do you now understand why I considered the Tigers to be in first place?

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 01:38 AM by mj Highlight this comment 57

I suppose my scanned ticket from the April 23 game is somewhat of a collector's item, as the Twins won that game 10-3 against the Tribe.

Last year, out of five games I went to at TF, the Twins won only once, on 8/1 against the Mariners.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 06:51 AM by luke Highlight this comment 58

For those interested, there is a MPLS Music and Movies in the Parks program going on and Monday night June 13th they will be playing Game 7 of the 1987 world series at Northeast park. Linked is the website for more information.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 07:43 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 59

I have looked all over Target Field for that turkey sandwich that everyone raves about. Where the heck is it?

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 08:24 AM by Paul Highlight this comment 60

Paul the turkey sandwich is behind home plate near Hrbeks.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 08:27 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 61

Luke the Holiday brats are outstanding for $1.11 each. Never had a DQ dog! Will be at the game Friday hoping to break the 0-6 run!!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 08:29 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 62

Thanks TwinkFan, makes sense I never saw it since I'm always in the cheap seats.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 08:45 AM by Paul Highlight this comment 63

Got into a hilarious exchange about who was better: Casilla or Nick Punto. It got so ridiculous that I eventually said, "They are about as equal as it gets and you know it. This is like trying to argue which COLOR of peanut M&M tastes better."

That actually happened during an in class activity not long after the "New blue" M&Ms came out, back in what 1995? LOL, oh to be a kid again...

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 11:01 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 64

I think little Nicky Punto was better defensively. Cassilla would probably have the edge with the bat. Although Cassilla will drive the MGR nuts at bunting with 2 strikes and failing to make the routine plays at times! Lexy will make a great play then muff an easy grounder or make a lazy throw. Twins had to let Nick go as they did not want to fork over the 4 mil! Lexy comes much cheaper. Be interesting what they decide on Cuddy next year. Gardy loves him but price might be waaaaaaaaaaaay to high!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 11:10 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 65

mj - you considered the Tigers to be better overall than the Indians at the start of the season? How on earth did you deduce that? That's amazing! I'm surprised you survived having gone that far out on the limb without falling. Please, give us more, Nostradamus of the Web logs!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 1:00 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 66

Nice write-up on these two parks. I haven't been able to get out to Northern California yet, but I have heard only great things about AT&T Park and nothing at all positive about the A's stadium. So your take on the two was interesting. Thanks!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM by Greg Highlight this comment 67

What in the world is going on with tonight's lineup???

Revere, RF
Casilla, SS
Span, CF (Span batting 3rd?)
Cuddyer, 1B
Morneau, DH (M 5th?)
Young, LF
Hughes, 3B (Off day for Danny V?)
Tolbert, 2B
Butera, C

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 68

Well, my guess would be...
They always say to put your best hitter in the 3 spot. Out of that lineup, looking at 2011 production, Span is that guy. Revere is known for his on-base skills in the minors, so that makes much as it can make sense.

Cuddyer could be splitting up the lefties, like Gardy likes to do sometimes (or used to). And with Valenica, I think he's the only player who hasn't had a day off.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 3:20 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 69

I think AJ summed it up pretty nicely. It is crazy to see that Valencia is the only guy who has not had a day off. 7, 8, 9 were the studs over the last few days, so why not get some hitters in 3, 4, and 5, that can hit and get on.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 5:37 PM by tk Highlight this comment 70

Looks like the Twins bullpen is trying to have some fun heading out to the bullpen pregame. They are going to try something new each day. Today it appears the attempted to imitate a bobsled team on their way out.

It must be a new thing they are starting today, because I did not witness any antics in KC.

Whatever works I guess? 8.0IP with 0 ER in KC

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM by tk Highlight this comment 71

I just brought up the Gameday screen and saw this:

We are in line-up hell.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 7:14 PM by Rick 72

What? Double, Single, Single?

Oh, I get it. Somebody gave me the link to Fictional-Gameday.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 7:18 PM by Rick 73

A safety squeeze?? Who's managing this game? Did Gardy get tossed? These are not my 2011 Twins!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 7:24 PM by Rick 74

C'mon umps thats 2 blown calls in one inning!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 8:17 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 75

Can't expect the umps to get the right call...

Gained 5 games in 5 days.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 8:43 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 76

Five game winning streak. Someone must have lit a fire under these guys!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 8:44 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 77

Keepin' the faith, here...

And to think this game was on my original road trip plan as I plotted out the summer, but 'twas not to be. Ah, well... looking forward to SF, some wine country meandering, and AT&T.

Rick, are you able to walk about anywhere within AT&T, like TF?

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 8:58 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 78

And, *gasp* how about this, much to kevin in az's chagrin, here we are, in June, on a five game winning streak. And he thought this was so not like 1991.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 9:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 79

Twins select Levi Michael, SS, switch-hitting out of UNC, was projected to go Round 25 or slightly earlier. Get to know him, I think it was a smart selection for the Twins.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM by TK Highlight this comment 80

I am the Nostradamus of the AL Central! Everyone preached about how good the Indians started.... "Um... no, they are still the Indians."

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 9:33 PM by mj Highlight this comment 81

A little known fact. The sweet spot of games...mid to late June...typically the most popular. Last year, the Rockies came to Target Field during a weekday series in later June. Tickets basically sold out on Stubhub to see the struggling Twins...sinking toward .500 during that weekday series. People had to pay $60-$70 last minute for upper level. This year (even with the 5 game streak), tickets for the Dodgers, which would be the equivalent series, can be had for $8 on Stubhub. What a difference a year makes!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 9:41 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 82

schweady ---

Del Dotto is very meander worthy.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 10:57 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 83

I've got another story to break....

the Royals will suck until the second coming of George Brett happens!

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 11:33 PM by mj Highlight this comment 84

last time the Twins played the Jays... I preached to anyone who would listen "walk this guy every time up, (Jose Bautista) he's just smashing baseballs."

Now, I'd advise the same about Josh Hamilton when the Rangers get here. I don't care to see him hit five enormous bombs in that series.

Posted on June 6, 2011 at 11:50 PM by mj Highlight this comment 85

If the Twins go on a 15 game winning streak like they did in 1991, then it will start to resemble 1991. It's a nice roll they're on right now, hopefully they can keep it going and make the 2nd half of the season interesting.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 12:27 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 86

5 games in a row. what's the explanation?

very nice foliage in centerfield in KC and Cleveland -- a reminder to the Twins of things past


Posted on June 7, 2011 at 02:21 AM by msp Highlight this comment 87

So my parents rolled into town this weekend and left a bunch of boxes for me that included crap from when I was a kid. I found a 1983 program book from the first Twins game I saw after moving here. Gary Gaetti, Tom Brunansky, Kent Hrbek and Gary Ward on the cover. The Twins had 50 games on (free) TV that year, but you could also subscrimbe to something called Spectrum to see 50 home games with Dick Bremer broadcasting (I had no idea he'd been around that long broadcasting).

But the best part was seeing the ticket prices at the "beautiful new Metrodome." $8 for reserved seats, $4 for general admission. That's it. Two price points. My how the world has changed...

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 08:05 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 88

Twinswschamps2011, you are wrong about that Rockies series last year. I know because that's the only game I took my son to. I bought tickets the morning of one of the games in the home plate terrace for $35/each.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 08:40 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 89

Does anybody want to trade me a pair of tickets to Saturday's game for a pair to Thursday's game? My tickets have a $25 face and are in sec 314 row 8, i'm willing to trade for anything except standing room. Click my name and shoot me an email if interested.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 12:15 PM by jp Highlight this comment 90

What's better for outdoor baseball, 100+ degree days or 40- degree nights?

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 2:23 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 91

I just went out and got some more MiO for my water, I think I will have a good supply for this nice stretch we are on.

On May 29, I predicted the Twin would be 15-5 after their homestand ended with the Padres, the Twins have been 5-3 since, can they keep the momentum? The Twins are on pace to win 12.5 out of the 20.

Too bad we couldn't have least won one at Comerica.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 2:37 PM by tk Highlight this comment 92

Dave, I would say 100+ by far! Twins swept a 4-game series in hot and muggy KC! and are currently carrying the momentum into Cleveland. So for the Twnis, I would say warmer weather :) as the Twins could not do crap against TB in the snow...

As a fan, I like warm weather, but 100+ can be a bit uncomfortable at times.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM by tk Highlight this comment 93

100 in the sun would be tough on a day like today if it was a day game! But yes it beats 40! Plus the ladies might break out the old Twins halter tops from back in the mid 70's from halter top day! Another great Calvin promotion!

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 94

Thanks to all the Ballpark Magic readers who knew but were polite enough not to point out that my list of ballparks included both Riverfront and Cinergy in Cincinnati, which of course are the same stadium. I meant to say Riverfront and Great America.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 5:54 PM by terry Highlight this comment 95

All right, we need some special 9th inning scrappy hitting!

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 8:11 PM by TK Highlight this comment 96

Young better find himself on the bench tomorrow...

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 8:23 PM by TK Highlight this comment 97

yep, Kev was right, guess the 1991-redux was not meant to be.

Now starts the spiral further downward??

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 8:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 98

Twins need another strong start tomorrow from Pavano who faces a struggling Masterson; 0-4 with a 4.05 ERA in his last seven starts.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 8:38 PM by TK Highlight this comment 99

relax luke. it's one loss - not even enough to be a slump.

Posted on June 7, 2011 at 10:15 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 100

positive vibes from kev in az? This season must be turning around.

Posted on June 8, 2011 at 01:14 AM by jp Highlight this comment 101

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The back row of seats in straight-away center. Note that, beyond those seats, you can see the planters (for flowers) on the front of the Left Field Bleachers.(Batters Eye)

Reasonable (if not overly generous) leg room

Up inside the circulation building. (That's the LRT platform visible through the windows.)

A look at Gate 34.

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Midway Stadium (seen from our tailgating spot across the parking lot)

The Ron Coomer corner features a bar.

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Scoreboard in profile against the skyline

I do love the upper concourse. Feels like home already.

Rod Carew will greet you, but he's sorely in need of a home plate for reference. (Killebrew is too.)

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Wow! Looking good.

A path for workers -- don't touch the plaza! -- in front of three giant Chia pets

Flagpole historian Ben McEvers at far right (click for the full photo set, graciously loaned to this site by Pat Backen)

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Special guests in the trees!

The Ballpark Wall! (really stunning)

Also warming things up are these planters.

They can put a camera just about anywhere. (Photo by Jeff Ewer)

Section 117, Row WC (applies to all the back rows under the Legends Club seating)

A mysterious smile from within a very deep planter!

This looks from the base of the stairs, behind the big pillars, toward the street.

WCCO-TV building


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