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On CBP, Umping, and Gawking

October 23, 2009 81:58 PM

If you watched the NLCS, would you agree that, at least on TV, Citizens Bank Park looks positively gigantic?

It's just about impossible not to notice because it appears so square, and tall, and steep, and sprawling. The upper deck looks so high up, seems to have as many rows as the Metrodome, and wraps all the way around to right-center, at which point it merges into a complicated series of nested balconies. The bleachers in left-center seem to sprawl off into the distance. And every time that suspended camera moves across a crowd it just seems to go on forever.

I was surprised to discover that, at least capacity-wise, Citizens Bank Park is less than 10 percent larger, 43,600 versus 40,000-ish (no definitive capacity number has yet been announced for TF). But it looks -- again, at least on TV -- like it could hold 60,000.

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The seating bowl of Citizens Bank Park overlaid on the Target Field site

In fact, the more I watched, the more I began to wonder if the compact (I'm so tired of the words "cozy" and "intimate") feel of Target Field is just a happy delusion. Are our eyes being tricked by the language we've adopted to describe our new park? Could it be a classic case of "you see what you want to see"?

To find out, I returned to an old exercise I did long ago which happened not to include CBP. I was relieved to discover that you couldn't build anything like CBP on the TF site -- not even close (see image at right).

And that's just the seating bowl! It is surrounded by support buildings which add about 20% to the overall footprint. The site itself is over 2 1/2 times the TF site (907M square feet versus 346M square feet).

In terms of height, which was the first thing I noticed, I can't find any hard data. But my eyeballs tell me that the uppermost row of CBP may be up to two stories farther from the playing surface that the highest row at TF. And they are set much farther back from the field, meaning the overall distance to the action appears to be substantially greater.

Ah, I'm relieved. The compactness of TF appears to be real after all.

Umpires, Schmumpires

As you know, this post-season has been filled with more umpire gaffes than I can begin to list. (Really, I tried, and the list got too long to be practical to include here. You've seen them all.)

Before instant replay became part of the game, I was against it. Baseball is a human game, filled with human mistakes, and how managers manage umpires (and vice versa) is part of the game. Blow a call now, and you owe me a close one later. I want you to eject me to fire up my team. That sort of thing.

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Um, I think that guy is out.

But now that instant replay is part of the game, it's time to get it right -- especially for the playoffs, but not only for the playoffs.

There is absolutely no reason why instant replay should be limited to home runs, other than the potential for it to slow down the game. In other words, MLB knows that it could help in many other situations, but they have chosen to place an arbitrary limit on its use for marketing purposes (slower games = potential loss of TV viewers -- though one could argue that Scott Kazmir is a human casual-fan-repellent in that regard).

And the mechanism for deciding what to review is completely screwed up. Frankly, I don't know how it works. It seems like the umps get together, ask each other who saw what, and then realize that nobody saw what they needed to see. That's a pretty embarrassing moment. For a major league umpire in the current environment, walking to the review booth is an admission that you failed at your job.

Not so with the NFL because each play is a chaotic battle where any player can be visible one moment and invisible the next. Bodies pile up, knees hit the ground, receivers turn away from where the ref is standing. There's no failure associated with missing something in football.

So we need to forget how the NFL does things. That model is wrong for MLB from the first moment.

What is right for MLB is already in plain view, though people seem not to see it.

Think about the check swing. The ump behind the plate makes an initial call. Down the line, another ump has observed the play and made a decision on how he might rule, but says nothing. The catcher gestures down to the other ump. The home plate guy decides whether to allow the appeal. If allowed, the other ump renders his opinion which is final.

Think about the appeal on a tag up. Long after the play is dead, the pitcher throws the ball to the base where he presumes a runner left early. The ump has already seen the play and formed his opinion on what happened. But he does not give his opinion until the appeal is officially made. Once appealed, he renders a decision which is final.

Each of these is beautiful because it preserves the pecking order perfectly and is utterly unobtrusive to the game. It's just a natural part of the rhythm of the game.

The right way to do instant replay draws on each of these. The biggest change it would require is an additional man on each umpiring team. While this is certainly not a small change, it is more than justified.

Here's how it would work:

The replay ump watches a monitor constantly, most likely in one of the camera wells or in another place adjacent to the field designated for this purpose. He sees replays of everything, much like the viewers at home. He is concentrating on the game constantly just like all the other umps, only by watching the camera coverage instead of the direct action. He has access to every camera angle (home, visitor, Fox, TBS, scoreboard, etc.), though he probably doesn't need all of them. One good angle is usually enough.

After a controversial play, if there's an argument, the manager has the right to ask for a review of the play (politely, of course). The umpire on the field decides whether to allow the appeal. If not allowed, there's no recourse. If allowed, the replay ump's decision is final.

That's it, end of story (well, almost). Some details:

There should be no arbitrary limit on how many times a manager could do that. Practically, they would not do it on every close call. They would do it on the same calls where now they come out of the dugout to argue.

Maybe they would come out more frequently at first, but umps can manage that just like they do other sorts of manager tantrums. If a manager does it too much, the request gets denied. Period. It would always be within an ump's right to say, "That was not close. I saw it. No review."

Realistically, however, I think umps would be happy to yield to that, thus saving time on tantrums. I think we would probably find that calls would get overturned rather infrequently, which in turn would discourage managers from overusing it. Having the back-up doesn't have to change the dynamic on the field one bit.

A key thing to remember here is that, unlike football, a review cannot stop a clock and is thus of little or no strategic advantage beyond getting a call right. The time-out-style advantage in football (where asking for a review has the added benefit of giving the team more time to figure out their next play) is enough to need that type of control mechanism. Remember, again, that baseball is not football.

(If you really feel like there has to be a limit on managers, make it at least a baseball-compatible method -- no flags or anything. Just give him three misses before he's out. That is, if he appeals and is right, it doesn't count against him. But the third time he wrongly appeals, he's ejected from the game. I don't think it's necessary, but football may have set the anchor on this one.)

Further, because the replay ump has already formed an opinion, he can just give a simple hand signal from right where he stands, just like on a check swing. There is no delay. Presumably, if a manager has come out to argue, the replay ump has used that extra time to watch extra angles if necessary and will be ready.

Now, I would take this one step further to avoid the obviously blown calls we've seen:

If the replay ump sees a potentially game-changing error (like the Mauer foul call or the non-double-play in Anaheim), he would have the responsibility to alert the crew chief immediately that the call was blown and needed to be fixed.

The mechanism for this would have to be worked out, but it could be as simple as a flashing light above his position to catch the other ump's attention (adding the crowd to the process, which could be fun, albeit looking a little like a price check at our favorite upscale discount retailer), or more unobtrusive, like a wireless connection to an earphone worn by the crew chief.

I'm sure somebody somewhere would object to the added expense of a fifth ump for each game, but that should be disregarded. To protect the integrity of the game, it's worth every penny.

And it does protect the integrity of the game by creating a tool for getting calls right, and removing any embarrassment for the umps on the field. Is a home plate ump embarrassed to ask for the first base ump's help on a check swing? Not in the least. The other ump is not an adversary, just a resource, and nobody has to admit that they screwed up, just decide whether the play was close enough to justify getting an outside opinion -- which is immediately available.

The integrity of the game is damaged much more by the blown calls than it would be by adding a sensible replay procedure. The ultimate results of the playoffs might not have been impacted by all these errors, but then again they very well might have been. That is simply unacceptable.

Now I can see that instant replay, done right, is essential to integrity of the game in our technological era.

Get to the Pix, Rix

I didn't plan to spend so much time rambling about other things tonight, but I do have more pictures, and a couple more details from my tour.

First, here are a couple of images forwarded to me from someone who got inside the Hrbek club today:

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The ceiling in Hrbek's is covered with panels depicting Twins logos throughout the years.


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That is the bar in Hrbek's. This place will be very cool.

Did I tell you it is spectacular?

Next, here's the view of the bullpens from the little concourse notch. You will notice that there is -- gasp -- artificial turf there instead of real grass! (It's almost always in the shade, and hardly worth the effort to try and grow grass there.)

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The Twins will likely be in the upper (right) bullpen

I found out that Larry DiVito is not just responsible for the playing surface. He's also the guy who will tend to all the foliage out on the plaza and even the flower beds which are above the outfield walls. These will be especially tricky because some of them get very little sunlight.

Here are a few more current shots of the plaza.

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Seating mound (seen from the B ramp)


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All three seating mounds


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Mound from the other side


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Plaza seating installation


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Detail enclosing the main ticket window area


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Main ticket window area


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Plaza signage


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Plaza overview


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Wanda's view!

I took that last picture as sort of a "before" for the triangle area, which will become a sort of plaza extension. (I was standing right in front of The Seville Club, where I parked.)

Thanks for stopping by today. If you ever have pictures, info, questions, or other goodies for me, please forward them at any time to rick at this domain dot com (just turn that text into an email address that looks kind of like this: brick@ballperkmagik.com -- take that, damn spambots). As you probably know, I work on all this stuff in my spare time, but I do read every single comment and truly appreciate all the help readers have provided throughout this process.

I expect to have an official announcement soon about the 2010 Construction Calendar (yes, there will be one), as well as a souvenir photo book of the construction process (signed, numbered, collectible), and (hopefully) an intro to TF guide book for those coming from out of town. All will be available for Christmas!

Profits (if any) from these publications will be going toward the purchase of a Nikon D90 and lens for documenting the park opening next year. To that end, anybody selling one? Know of any good deals? Got a better camera idea? Interested in contributing to the purchase? -- I'm not above accepting donations! (Here's a PayPal link for anyone interested.)


(In case you ever wondered, the advertising on these pages basically covers the hosting costs. You don't get rich with that stuff unless you're Google... Hopefully, with enough other small revenue streams, I can dump it eventually. I didn't start this site to get rich, or even as a business venture. It's a labor of love for the game.)

As mentioned in yesterday's comments, the ticket trading club should launch officially right after the first of the year. Send me a message if you want to get in on the ground floor (recommended).

For those who are wondering, after Target Field opens, there will still be lots to talk about, see and share. In other words, I have no plans to shut down just because the park has opened! In fact, I've created a separate site you'll be able to access with your phone for sharing in-game pictures and comments (it will launch officially with the first TF shakedown event in March).

Let me leave you with a video submitted in the comments yesterday. It's of Met Stadium, used in an unexpected fashion.

Comments


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Nice update Rick. It got me pumped for the day (I know...nerd). Anyway, the first thing I noticed about the bullpens were how small they are. Not that it is a bad thing. I sat next to the bullpens in Milwaukee and ours seem to be about 1/3 the size. Mijares may need to lose some weight.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 06:32 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 1

Why are there gaps in the ground in front of the plates in the pen?

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 08:27 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 2

Great update, Rick. I think you have laid a very solid foundation for instant replay to be expanded. Obviously only a foundation because anytime you get so many people involved it will end up like an earmark-laden bill trying to go through congress. ;) (Insert "I'm just a bill" sketch from the Schoolhouse Rock days)

As for the camera/lens, good choice. If you are going to buy the body separate from the lens you could check places like ebay (obviously), adorama.com, photo.net (equipment section and store, with classifieds!) and there are a couple more places but i cant remember them right off hand. If you want i can send them over. I would suggest also visiting your local Ritz camera and asking some questions. They know everything! Helped me a lot anyway.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 08:32 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 3

re: JCTwins

Do you mean in front of the pitching rubbers? That area of the mound usually gets beat up the most and clay bricks are added to the area. Then it's top-dressed with regular baseball ag-lime.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 08:49 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 4

Cam 1 9:00am

Is that just signage above the main ticket windows or is that an LED ticker? Looks nice.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 09:03 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 5

Perhaps I missed it, but how is this ticket trading club going to work? I am part of a group season ticket plan, and I own 20 seats for next year and perhaps would be interested becoming a part of the ticket trading club. Can someone please explain exactly how it will work, and how one signs up for it?

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 09:04 AM by Hebrew Hammer Highlight this comment 6

Great post, you said everything i want about the replay! Also great pics, it's so nice to see a real bullpen in Minnesota. So would this be just a ticket exchange, or be like a stubhub, where other people who are not STH, can just buy tickets?

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 09:19 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 7

I'm wondering the same thing Sooj is. I'm not a STH, but would love to be able to buy unwanted tickets through this forum instead of StubHub. The only thing I'd have to exchange is $$$$ and a smile.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 09:35 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 8

Just wanted to weigh in on Rick's first comments of this article.

We have always had a great advantage in the dome as far as the noise factor. Of course, that is going to go away with no roof, and the fact that there will be 15,000 less fans packing the stadium for a sellout. But, with the compactness of TF, this may help with creating more crowd noise than a more wide open, spread out ballpark. Being that TF is on such a small footprint for 40,000 seats, it is a smaller space than your typical 40,000 seat stadium, the crowd noise could resonate through that small compact stadium. The entire bowl is enclosed with the exception of the Plaza entrance and maybe straight away centerfield.

I am really looking forward to next years playoffs (we will make the playoffs) to see how loud us fans can make Target Field and create some new/revised home field advantages.

Rick - here is some height data for TF. Took it off the blueprints. It is approximately 120' from Field Level to the last row of seats in the Upper Deck, and approx. 148' from Field Level to the top of the canopy. On the horizontal, the first row of seats on the lower level that abuts the playing surface, and the last row of seats in the upper deck is approx. 168' apart. This is for the main seating bowl.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 09:48 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 9

Decided to partake in some trig practice this morning. Here are the APPROXIMATE seating angles:

Lower Level: 14 Degrees
Legends Club: 22 Degrees
Terrace Level: 32 Degrees
Upper Level: 30 Degrees
Left Field Upper Deck: 36 Degrees

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 10

Rick, See the attached link. It says that the "roof" of CBP is 134' above field level.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 11

Just wanted to throw in an observation about the TF dugouts - someone had commented earlier about how shallow they seemed - that the roof doesn't seem to extend out much past the bench. Looking at those pictures (10/19 official Twins update) I had thought the same, but paying close attention during the playoffs, the dugouts at CBP and the recently-refurbished Angels stadium appear to be very similar. Don't suppose anyone has any 'offical' stats on something like this.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 10:40 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 12

Expectorate - The plans scale out that the over hang in the dugouts is approx. 4'-10" from the back wall of the dugout. Your right, the picture of the dugout on the 10/19 update does not look like it is that much.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 10:55 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 13

Rick,

To add on to your replay idea, which I couldn't agree more with, each game in the MLB is required to have a "backup" umpire. Well, why not have that person as the replay guy. Should an umpire get injured, replays would have to be suspended, but that would be a rare occurrence.

And there you have it, replay with no added expense. Besides of course the sweet blinking light you spoke up, I'm sure Daktronics could whip something up.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 14

re: Brandon T
MLB doesn't have a backup umpire at each game currently. There have been times when 3 umpires have been on the field after an injury.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 11:16 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 15

It may be nice to add additional replays in a manner similar to what Rick described, however, I think it would have to be severely limited in what instances it can be used. For example, I don't think it could be used to review fair / foul balls. As soon as the ump calls the ball foul, the runner stops running as hard, the fielder stop playing the ball as hard, etc. There would be no good way to determine what the real result of the play would have been had it not been called foul. Would the batter have made it to second? Would a 2nd base runner have scored? Maybe the batter would have tried to stretch a double and been thrown out anyway. I suppose you could have the ump never call it foul so it always gets played out but that seems ridiculous to me.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM by Andy K (aka Andy) Highlight this comment 16

Thanks Trosy29!!!!!
The height question has been nagging me for 3 years!!!!
Looks like the upper deck at TF is very comparable to CBP. That is not a good thing. It is waaaaayyyy up there as I've long suspected.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 11:23 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 17

AWESOME update, Rick. I'm in Italy right now, and this was just the fix I needed!

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 18

DreDogg-
I think if you look at the picture above showing the worker (apparently on the phone) next to the ticket windows, it does appear as if there are LED boards above the ticket windows.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 19

Revision: approx. 116' from field level to foot level of last row in upper deck. Bought you 4 more feet J2K.

Also, It is 83'-8" from field level to the Upper Concourse/Terrace Level Concourse. It is 29'-3" from field level to the Main Concourse. (These are of course vertical measurements that are perpendicular to the field. )

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 20

Ha, you are right. I didn't catch that the second time I looked at that picture. I was looking for the LED board above the window, in the stone (not behind the window, below the stone).

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 21

Is all of the seat installation complete? To me, looking at Webcam 1, the Legends Club level appears like it hasn't been installed. Is this right? or are the seat backs very light colored, almost as light as the concrete around it?

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 22

Dan - I think the Legend's club seat frames have been bolted in, but the seat backs and bottoms aren't in yet. I think they also have to install seating on the balcony outside the Metropolitan Club, as well as outside of each luxury box (can't really tell on the Webcams if those are in yet).

Didn't we hear that the deadline for this is Nov 1? They're going to need a "seat installation blitz" next week.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 12:25 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 23

Nice update!

Just noticing something in the pictures of the ceiling in Hrbek's... has that "Minnesota" script font been used before? I notice the new Twins/basbeall logo they'll be using next year, but I don't know that I've ever seen the Twins use that Minnesota script font before... maybe that'll be on the new road uni's next year?

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM by Tim12 Highlight this comment 24

I have heard from my source that they are waiting to install the seat backs in the Legend Club because they are waiting on covers for these seats. I guess these seats will be covered when there is not a game and in the off season. We are guessing that it is because they are wood seat backs. This cannot be 100% verified.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 25

Thanks for the answers on the club level seat installation.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 26

After reading Rick's criticism of Citizens Bank Park I decided to do some research of my own about CBP. I happened upon this deadspin article titled "Why Your Stadium Sucks" (click my name). One of the big criticism the article makes is about the asymmetrical outfield and talks about how this is a manufactured quirkiness that it nostalgic of places like Fenway. I largely agree with the article because CBP is built in the middle of a huge parking lot and the architects could have chosen any dimensions they wanted for their field. This article makes me appreciate TF even more now because I feel that TF is naturally retro because it is squeezed into such a small lot, none of this manufactured nonsense!

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 27

I remember that Minnesota script on a rain jacket giveaway at the Met when I was a little guy and my dad took me to a game.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM by JohnC Highlight this comment 28

The Minnesota Script Logo was used between 1961 and 1965. Clink name for link.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 1:39 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 29

I have a hoodie that has the Minnesota script on it. It was by Majestic and was a "Moonlight Graham Edition" of their Cooperstown Collection

Unfortunately, I can't find a picture. It would be cool if they used that lettering for a jersey.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 30

Here is how I'd do the replay. Let the umpires decide if a replay is needed. Any play with the exception of balls and strikes, or a check swing. If the umpires need a replay go NHL style have a phone in one of the dug outs, call New York and get the answer. If an umpire does not review a play that would have been overturned by a replay, hold the umpire accountable and penalized them in some way, with a fine or 10 calls makes them post season ineligible. Hope fully that would be enough to make them get the calls right.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 3:00 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 31

Thanks for the interesting info on that Minnesota script logo. '65 was about 14 years before my first Twins game. If you look closely, the 2 tiles at the top of the photo that have the script font look slightly different... I'm still not totally convinced is just the 61-65 logo.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM by Tim12 Highlight this comment 32

Regarding replay - I don't think you can leave it in the hands of only the umps to decide which plays get reviewed. NFL replay seems to have established that this should be a democratic process - managers/coaches should have some say. Having said this, I think some sort of limit on how many "challenges" is a necessary "check and balance."

I think one of the problems with baseball replay is this: the end result/reward of a successfully-challenged call is not always going to be black-and-white. In football it is: caught in bounds/caught out-of bounds, broke the plane/didn't break the plane, fumbled the ball/maintained posession. For baseball, not necessarily so. Take the blown foul call on Mauer at NY - that ball bounced into the stands after landing in fair territory, so if they reverse the call, they obviously give him second base. What if it didn't bounce into the stands? Do we assume that he made a double - maybe he could have legged out a triple? If there had been a runner on first and the ball stayed in the park, would that runner have scored or not?

Different subject - I think the bullpens look great! Hopefully Larry will keep that opposing pen's mound shaved down a few inches. Then when their relief comes in, first few pitches sail high. :)

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 33

Uh, yeah. Reading back I see that my post is an unnecessary duplication of what Andy K already said - sorry about that!

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 34

Trosy, are you saying that a line only about 10 yards straight up from the ballfield itself would be on a horizontal plane with the main concourse? (probably obvious, forgive my geometric ignorance)
And is the main concourse about the same level as the top of the lower level? If so, that sounds real good for the fans. I assume that's a relatively small incline compared to many other ballfields, certainly the Metrodome. (or is the main concourse lower than I assumed relative to the top of the main level). I guess it must be at the top or we wouldn't be able to look out at the action like they say we will be when in the concourse. At any rate, thanks for the info, and it sounds like great news for next year's games.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM by robin Highlight this comment 35

trosy29 - thanks for the link to the logos. when i look at the metrodome logo i only think about one thing.....the stay-puft marshmallow man from ghostbusters!

man, was the metrodome a horrible idea born out of absolute cheapness and a complete lack of foresight by the citizens of minnesota. please let the vikings gets a new minneapolis stadium so we can tear the thing down once and for all.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 4:29 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 36

I think this is relatively new, but I was looking on Twins site and they have published their 20 and 40 game plans now. I know a lot of people here have those plans and i wasn't aware they had them specified yet. I looked under Tickets and they have a "my twins tickets" section which an earlier poster probably referenced for emailing tickets, and they have a schedule also which now color codes the various plans. Again, sorry if everyone already knows this.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM by robin Highlight this comment 37

trosy29 - Do you happen to know the seating angle for the right field grandstand (trapezoid)? There were some close-ups of it on the latest BPA update, and it looks pretty steep. Thanks!

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 38

I guess I'm just not getting the "gigantic-ness" of Citizens Bank. I've been there in person a couple of times. I didn't find it to feel any bigger than Oriole Park or Coors Field or Miller Park. I think overall it's a great place to watch a game; unfortunately it's surrounded by way too much parking lot pavement, so much so that it feels like an island. If that park were in a more urban setting, now that would be something.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 5:34 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 39

I currently live in Philly and went to Citizens for a Police show, and I also have seen Twins games in Baltimore. I don't know if its the parking lots, (set up like the met was) but "The Bank" felt huge compared to Camden. We had seats up in the nose bleeds, but opted to stay in standing room only for the entire show. And still with as far back as was for the show (the stage was placed in center feild at the wall), we should have stayed in the parking lot and listened to it for free.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 8:15 PM by Antonjohn Highlight this comment 40

I'll have comments, but I just want to suggest that Rick, who I would never recognize anywhere (except for the creepy guy with a camera around the warehouse district)....is a wonderful guy for putting on this website and taking the time to motivate us on a regular basis.

Great post! Great site! Thank you, maybe your best post ever.

Posted on October 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 41

Testing 1-2-3. I think something went wrong with the scripts overnight. Anybody had trouble posting?

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 08:55 AM by Rick 42

Linc-- "Creepy"? I hope not.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 08:55 AM by Rick 43

PNB19,

The problem with letting the umpires decide independent of the managers is the one I've tried to describe. Checking the replay is an admission of failure to do their job.

It's a different dynamic when a manager is in an ump's face accusing him of making a mistake. It's much easier at that point for the ump to say, essentially, "OK, if you want me to check it, fine."

It's an answer to an accusation of failure, rather than an admission of failure. Big difference.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 09:00 AM by Rick 44

Testing posting, per Rick.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM by luke Highlight this comment 45

Is there a bloggers strike?

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 3:03 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 46

Well, creepy in a lovable, helpful, and service oriented sort of way :)

Say, I got my 2010 ticket renewal packet today and got the MyTickets thing all set up. However, the system is down. Is there any way on the invoice to tell which package I have? I have a 20 game package, which looks like it is a "C", "D", "E", or "F" package.

I'm thinking it is in the invoice somewhere, and I've got a clue, but I'm wondering if anyone knows for sure.

If the MyTicket thing really works, it will be great for trading tickets with people on this board.

Linc

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 3:17 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 47

Linc - it will say right on your invoice under item descriptions.

It should say 20GMD, 20GME, 20GMF or 20GMG.

I got the "E" package and am a little disappointed in the games, but the Twins schedule in general is not very favorable in 2010 as far as opponents on weekends/holidays/etc.

I do got tickets to the first night game on Friday, April 16 which will be exciting.

Also, I did not know Sue Nelson, the Twins organist, will actually be located in the Twins Pub (located on Terrace Level behind home plate) She will be playing the organ from inside the Pub which is a very unique thing.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 3:35 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 48

Correction on my previous post, it should say 20GMC, not 20GMG as there is not "G" plan.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 3:36 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 49

Thanks Mike. That was my suspicion, as mine says 20GMD.

I've been staring that the schedule for an hour now, and it is nice that we know our games this far in advance. Of 20 games, I have 7 day games (I have the 'D' package), and only 6 evening games in June, July, and August. By far my most anticipated games are evening summer games. However, I checked and about 1/3 (34.6% -- 28 of 81) of all games on the schedule are day games, so I'm right where I should be I guess.

I get Boston and Milwaukee, but miss both the ACLS teams -- NY and Anaheim. Ah well, there will be enough trading going on this year to make it work, and these things tend to work themselves out over time.

The note about the organist being in the Pub is super cool, in my opinion. I hope that works. I can imagine problems with it, but we can be hopeful.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 50

The Yankees are in the playoffs essentially each and every year, which means they are playing a lot of October baseball.

Why did they not build the new Yankee Stadium with a retractable roof?!? No way can you postpone a game!! Not to mention, an ALCS game!! What about all of those fans who traveled long distances who can't go to a game tonight?!? How about the mobs of national media that are left without a game tonight?!?

In all seriousness, I am disappointed tonight's ALCS game 6 has been postponed, but life will go on and game 6 will be Sunday night. No big deal...if the 'mighty' New Yorkers can survive, no reason we can't survive in Minnesota without a roof. Baseball is meant to be played outdoors...even in October.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 51

baseball in November is stupid.....

Tv runs the playoffs....all the off days especially with NO travel just for TV is the problem and having 3 series for a world champ.....

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM by bw Highlight this comment 52

If the twinks were still playing how many games would have been rained out this month so far???

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 6:55 PM by bw Highlight this comment 53

I can't answer the question of how many Twins post-season games might have been postponed, but I think we can all answer the inevitable questions about no roof next year. Basically, who cares?

The bigger problem is this insane playoff schedule. These planned off-days are real killers to any sense of momentum. I keep forgetting that we're not even to the World Series yet. Last week, after the first round ended so quickly, I almost slipped into pure football mode (always a sad moment).

What they really need is a flexible schedule. As long as more than one series is still going on, there should be at least one game per day, and two games whenever possible. Travel should be the only reason for an off-day. Even the World Series should start no later than one travel day after the two teams have been decided.

It may be an inconvenience for TV, but it probably wouldn't have any worse an affect on the ratings than this stupid schedule does. Is anybody but us die-hards still watching...?

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 7:45 PM by Rick 54

Haven't received my season ticket package yet - can anyone who has share info on the contents? Any preliminary info on extra ticket pricing or promotions (e.g. fireworks)? Any other exhibition games other than the 2 with the Cardinals on 4/2 and 4/3? Any other useful info?

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 7:54 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 55

Rick - I agree with you that the post-season schedule needs to be fixed, but MLB will always want to fix the dates for the World Series well in advance (primarily for sponsorship requirements).

Other that than - for the DS/LCS games - set times that work best for the markets involved, not the east coast and have multiple games per day (and get rid of TBS exclusive for the DS which made a mockery out of the schedule.

Eliminate all off-days other than travel and maybe one "weather delay" day.

I love baseball, but playing in November is stupid, roof or no roof.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 7:58 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 56

Anyone happen to have an extra calendar that was given away at the park on October 2 and 3?

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 57

I got mine today and it says i get tickets to the stl fake game included in my price so that is sweet!

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 8:12 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 58

Let me post another strong vote in favor of some sort of replay system. When somebody plays the "traditionalist" card, my best comeback is that in my opinion the most "traditional" (some would say stodgy) event in sports is Wimbledon (they still have to wear "mostly white"!) and they have been using electronic line judges for several years now. If the technology is available, it should be used.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 8:41 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 59

jfh - eBay has loads of em.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 9:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 60

Maz, your forced to buy one, they are discounted though, my Home plate view by I think it was $4.

But jfh nothing too ground breaking or unexpected, there is that nice detail about the organ at the Twins Pub (where I'm sure to spend a fair amount of time), and the specific games for each plan that is now on the website.

As for the Home Opener there is a box to check if you want tickets for partial plans, and they'll determine your seats based on the receipt date of the first payment due November 11th (Final payment due by Dec 11), sort of like the way post-season has been for partials.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 10:22 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 61

The script "MINNESOTA" will be making a comeback in 2010 and appear on the new road gray uniform. I can confirm this from inside the front office. No more pinstripes on the road! There will also be a cream colored alternate (similar to PHI, CLE, & SF) with pinstripes and script "TWINS" across the front in navy outlined in red. This new uniform will look like the uniform worn by the club from 1961-1971.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 11:05 PM by stpmn Highlight this comment 62

Thanks for the info, stpmn

I'm not crazy about cream colored alternate uniforms. Or alternate uniforms in general. Or changing stuff just for the sake of change, but whatever.

Posted on October 24, 2009 at 11:41 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 63

"I got mine today and it says i get tickets to the stl fake game included in my price so that is sweet!"

Fuzzy math or ?

--- In one hand I am holding my "Conformation of Target Field Seat Selection" --- 40 tickets x $20 = $800.
--- In my other hand I am holding my "2010 Season Ticket Holder Invoice" which arrived Sat. --- 2 x 20 game plan = $830.

Apparently I am obliged to pay $30 for two exhibition game tickets - seats and dates to be determined. While this does not ruin my day I do not recall reading or hearing anywhere that I would essentially be forced to buy tickets to an exhibition game. Am I missing something here?

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 12:07 AM by B.W. McEvers/ Highlight this comment 64

Those cream colored jerseys are the best Twins uniform ever!

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 01:00 AM by Boof Highlight this comment 65

stpmn,

You may have just made my rest-of-the-year. Script, no pinstripes on the road, and cream colored alternates? Pinch me now, I must be dreaming.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 01:11 AM by Oaks Highlight this comment 66

When the exhibition games were announced the Twins said they will be included in the ticket plans at even further reduced prices.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 07:56 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 67

My Full Season cost for 109 seats 81 X 100 is 8,100
although the invoice is 8,250 (150 OVER)
My Full Season cost for 306 seats 81 X 20 is 1,620 although my invoice is 1,650 (30 OVER)It looks as though for the 2 exhibition games I am paying 75% for the tickets to each game..I originally thought the would be included in the package..Guess not....

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 08:12 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 68

I was hoping for a better discount than that, but I'm not upset. I canceled my vikes tickets (bad timing maybe) because of having to pay full price for exhibition tickets and to save funds for twins tickets. But compare 2 games out of 10 at full price for the two exhib. with 2 out of 81 at a discount.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 08:53 AM by robiin Highlight this comment 69

Here is an article from the Strib regarding the exhibition games and how they apply to season ticket holders. There is another article out there that states the cost per ticket for these games is 75% of the regular, but I can't find it.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 10:16 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 70

So it's a "included at extra cost" deal? Was any mention of this made before or during the selection process? The "discount" is not the issue. The issue, unless I am missing something, is being forced to purchase something that was not a part of the original deal. Is that not predatory?

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 71

Catch 22 for me..I'm pissed that I'm "forced" to buy them but if I didn't have 1st dibs on them I would be screaming from the rooftop..

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 72

Where are there images of these so-called uniform changes?
The Twins site has nothing.
Google has nothing.
So, is stpmn just blowing steam - or is there some validity to what he said up there about the uniform changes?

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 73

Nobody huh?

Well, until the elusive images come out - I'll surmise that nothing has indeed changed with the uniforms, as good as the changes may sound - I think stpmn was just blowing it.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 74

They usually don't officially release uniform changes until November or later.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 1:59 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 75

Twins are unveiling new uniforms Nov. 16th.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 2:06 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 76

hmm...that's interesting.
i wonder who stpmn's "front office" chum is then, that's spilling everything.

I didn't know the Twins ever had a script "Minnesota" on their road jerseys.

If it is indeed true, I think an homage to the 60s-era Killebrew jersey would be great, even if it is just an alternate.

Although pinstripes are as much baseball as hot dogs and outdoor ballparks, I for one will be happy to see them gone from the Twins road unis.

Will the Twins keep the alternate homage to the 1982 home unis that they wore for the 2009 season? I really liked those, but at the same time, they were a Dome-era thing, and maybe it's best they not come back. But I did like them.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 2:09 PM by luke Highlight this comment 77

And once again we're all reminded that NFL officials are as stupid as MLB umpires.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 78

"Catch 22 for me..I'm pissed that I'm "forced" to buy them but if I didn't have 1st dibs on them I would be screaming from the rooftop."

Do you really think you have "1st dibs on them" --- as a matter of fact, you don't even know what you are going to get. The only thing you/we know for certain is that you/we are required to shell out more money than originally agreed upon.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 79

ok, ok calm down... bad math or just excited... either way i would have bought the tickets anyway so at least i get a discount...

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 80

The point is that you had no choice - that's the part that leaves me a bit sour. What would you be saying had they charged you an additional $30 and sent you a cute little stuffed "TC" bear?

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 4:30 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 81

you said it kev in az........you said it. tripping on dugan to take away a vikings touchdown?! no way. refs were a joke today and played way to big of a role in the vikings loss.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 4:43 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 82

No, I don't think it was mentioned during the seat selection process. I don't suppose they are worried about season ticket cancellations for these games that represent 2.5 to 5% of the whole package. There are always disclaimers that allow for changes, additions, etc. I remember an earlier official publication on seat selection that said we could get one traditional seat in Target for each seat in the Metrodome. Some of us based our buying decisions in the Dome based on that, and then it was changed to two for one. This is probably inevitable in an evolving, transitional procedure as big as this is. There may be more surprises in store when we actually take our seats. I think it's mostly going to be positive. I already know a Cardinals fan who will be delighted to be the first to see a major league game in Target Field, albeit an unofficial one. I see the two 40 game plans each contain two of the four 20-game plans. C and F are combined in one, and D and E in the other.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM by robin Highlight this comment 83

"Do you really think you have "1st dibs on them" --- as a matter of fact, you don't even know what you are going to get."

Umm..Yea..I got my seats the 4th day of seat selection and Umm,,Yea..I know EXACTLY what I get..The same seats as in my Full season package..Wanna bet otherwise?

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 4:59 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 84

I haven't looked closely enough at the 20 game plans to determine whether one seems more favorable than another. Presumably the Twins tried to even things out as well as they could. I will be posting the games that I just flat can't get to on the forthcoming exchange club. I think Rick is doing yeoman's duty on that project.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 5:06 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 85

"Umm..Yea..I got my seats the 4th day of seat selection and Umm,,Yea..I know EXACTLY what I get..The same seats as in my Full season package..Wanna bet otherwise?"

The letter I got reads "Additionally, your season ticket package includes tickets to a 2010 Exhibition game. Seating for that game will be assigned at a later date and will likely vary from your season ticket location." Maybe you gat a different letter?

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 5:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 86

Matter of fact I did..
"Enclosed in your folder is your 2010 season ticket invoice INCLUSIVE of the Exhibiton games,plus an inside look at the opportunities and amenities that are waiting for you at the NEW capital of Twins Territory"

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 87

The twins have never worn a road uniform with a script "Minnesota" on them. Only jackets.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 6:25 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 88

Rick. There have been times when the umpires will gather and discuss a call as it is now. The ALDS in 2004 comes to mind when I believe Ruben Sierra hit what was initially ruled a home run off Santana in game one. The umpires discussed it, and overturned the call. I don't think this would be any different. A manager might argue a call with an up and his argument might be enough to persuade the umps to review a play or in the 04 case the Twins arguement was good enough to have them discuss the call.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 7:06 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 89

"INCLUSIVE of the Exhibiton games"

Sounds like you get to buy tickets to two games without any choice in the matter. I'm sure we're all very happy for you.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 90

If you have a 20 or 40 game plan, your seats for the exhibition games are TBD. If you have a full season plan, you get your regular seats for the exhibition games.

It has to be like this, a 20D plan and a 20E plan can't sit in the same seats for the same game.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 91

Man the Vikes sure got jobbed today by the officials. Tripping on Dugan while he is on his knees was a joke. But on the psoitive they totally outplayed the defending champs in there house.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 8:26 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 92

It looks like 20 game people only "get" to buy tix for one of the games.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 8:30 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 93

"Sounds like you get to buy tickets to two games without any choice in the matter. I'm sure we're all very happy for you."

2 of my partners will be "buying" them..Be happy for them..I'm probably going to wait for the Opener...

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 9:02 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 94

I'm simply amazed. The amount of money the Steinbrenners spend on player salaries is public knowledge. What I want to know is how much they are paying for their tiny strike zone when they're batting, and how much more for the Texas sized zone when they are pitching.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 95

PNB19,
the difference between what you recalled from the 04 ALDS and what Rick was talking about is that currently, in order for a call to be overturned in baseball using the status quo system, the umpires have to first agree that there is something worth talking about (which is a rare occurrence to begin with), and even then they will not overturn an initial ruling or change anything at all unless one of the other umpires (who was more like than not farther from the play than the ruling umpire) can definitively say that they saw something other than what was originally called. So, to recap, they usually don't get together to discuss it in the first place, and even when they do, it's a long shot at changing any calls. Not a very good system for getting calls right, like Joe Mauer's game changing ground-rule double in game -2 this year that in retrospect, definitely would've added another run to the Twins run column in that game, or like the picture above where it's pretty damn obvious that somebody was out...
As it currently stands, ridiculously bad calls such as these practically cannot be changed.
I have to say, for the longest time, I've been adamantly against replay of any kind, even the homeruns, but after the past few seasons (08 and 09, ever since the 07 tiebreaker game between the Rockies and Padres), I like the homerun utilization of it, and I like Rick's suggestions of its implementation in other areas of the game. The big deal-breaker for me, and I think for most other fans and for the MLB organization is the chance that we could have umps going inside the clubhouse, reviewing plays for 5 minutes like they do in NFL games (ughghghghlgllglgl) and seriously delaying the flow of the game. I don't know anyone who wants that, but with Rick's propositions, it would disrupt the game flow at all, and we'd get way more calls, egregiously blown calls anyhow, right.
home run cases such as the one you mentioned

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 10:44 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 96

It looks like they tried to do a good job of splitting the 20 game plans, but they are limited by their schedule, i.e., there are only three home Yankee games, so one 20-game plan misses out. There are two Red Sox games (other than the opener, which isn't included for one's regular seats; my understanding is that most, but maybe not all 20-game plans get to choose different seats for the opener). The plan which doesn't get a Yankee game gets one of the Red Sox games, and one plan (F) gets both a Red Sox and Yankee game (other than opener).

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 10:47 PM by robin Highlight this comment 97

Kev - You need to remember though that the Yankees also spend the highest percentage of their revenue on their payroll, between 60-65%. (btw - The Twins only spend between 35-40% of the revenue on payroll, and we have the wealthiest owners in the league). Think if we spent 60-65% on payroll. We can only dream.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 10:53 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 98

trosy29....I know all of that, you missed my point. And last I checked, the game tonight does not include the Twins. My rant has nothing to do with the Twins, it has to do with the yankees. The amount of money the Twins spend on salary has nothing to do with why the umpires favor the NY Yankees to a disgusting degree. As far as the Twins and their cheap ways, nobody has been more critical of them than I have.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 99

I agree kevin...the strike zone has been very controversial in the ALCS obviously favoring the Yankees. Nothing more frustrating than when the strike zone is squeezed. But yet, it seems to expand when the Yankees are pitching.

In all due respect, the Yankees were the best team in the AL this year and Anaheim gave up too many opportunties to win and made too many mistakes just like the Twins did. Game 2 was the killer for the Angels, as it was in the ALDS with the Twins. Both game 2's were heart-breakers for the visiting team at Yankee Stadium.

I just hope Philadelphia can go into Yankee Stadium and win one of those first two games, if not, win both of them and than eventually clinch the World Series.

Posted on October 25, 2009 at 11:13 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 100

Nope. If the Rockies or Twins can't win the World Series, I want the Yankees. :)

You want to talk about squeezed strike zones? Go look at what the umps did to the Rockies during the NLDS.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 12:15 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 101

why the smart ass response? damn. people.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 12:16 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 102

Phillies all the way here, They can do it, I don't think (nor should they), be afraid to pitch to the guys who loves getting shots up the butt. Even though the Phillies won last year, they don't feel like the over dog in really any of these series they've played.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 103

i wonder how many homeruns will be hit between these two bandbox stadiums? i know i'll be rooting for the phillies in this series because i could never root for the yankees (plus my mom's side of the family would disown/kill me as they are all from new england and have lived and died by the red sox for generations).

anyone know where the deposits we paid for tickets for next year goes? it's not reflected on my invoice (it still shows i owe the full amount of my two 20 game plans plus the exhibition game). i have an e-mail out to my account rep but haven't heard anything yet.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 10:40 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 104

It was probably a glitch with the new ticketing system, you would have sent in your deposit on the old method. They probably have to have some "override" done to force the money or reduce your bill by the deposit amount. They were going to apply post-season ticket refund to our accounts, but due to issues, they simply refunded us instead. My bet you'll be told to simply send your money in, less your deposit.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 105

Confirmation: we have wooden back seats on the legends club. This is going to look pretty sharp when they're all in.

Anyone else bummed about the bench seats in left field? Why do that when the entire rest of the stadium is seats. Can't imagine for a section that small it was a money saving thing.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 106

"bummed" about bleachers? no way. I think there should've been more bench seating. I have great memories of the bleachers at the old Met - always a great way to watch a game.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 107

Brandon - It has nothing to do with money savings. That is what they wanted in that section. It is to create an area of the park with a different type of feel etc. etc. Old ballpark feel. aka: Left field bleachers at Wrigley.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 108

DSP updated his blog

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM by bphj Highlight this comment 109

I agree that there should have been more bench seating.

Oh, and single game tickets tentatively on sale March 13th. Sweet. They haven't posted single game ticket prices yet, have they?

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 11:47 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 110

Anyone know what those white boxes are on the field in front of each section on webcam 1 @ 10:30. Also, is that the tarp rolled up down the left field line?

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 111

i just got confirmation that the deposit will be applied shortly; the change in ticketing systems is to blame.

i, for one, am stoked about bleachers in left field. it's going to be a good time out there!

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 12:03 PM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 112

I'm secretly hoping for an updated version of the baby blue uniforms... sounds like I will be SOL.

I'm definitely excited for the cream colored jerseys, though. Frankly, the pin strips can be retired permanently.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 12:29 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 113

Anybody remember the crimson alternate jerseys?

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 114

Jim,

Those white boxes are clearly the doo-hickey's that are used for the thing-a-migjig's in each section. Isn't it obvious? :)

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 1:21 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 115

Ahhh...yes. I see now. The are definitely the what-cha-ma-callits for the ya-knowhat-i-means. Thanks FCA. :)

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 116

It's letting me post now. So, when they are done installing the wooden seats in on the Legends Club, will they be all done installing seats?

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 117

I think they need fewer bleacher seats and more standing room only. They could just take those bleachers out of there and let people stand where the left field seats are. That would allow more people to come to TF and watch a game. Better yet, they could put up those wooden slats above the LF wall and leave knotholes for the people in standing room only to peek through. Then we'd really have an old-time feel.

Or, we could go even more "old school" and give the fans bats so they could kill their dinner as it roamed through the concourse. Not having seats would also allow room for you to drag your wife around by the hair.

How far back do you want to go, "old-school" rubes??? cripes.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 118

I'm probably not going to want to eat any hot dog that I have to stalk and kill running around the concourse.

But I'm with you on the wooden slats just as long as they are ragged and the non-paying folks get really nasty splinters.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM by Rick 119

Well put The Truth Hurts, well put.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 3:22 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 120

I sure hope everyone of those legends club seats are wood back. That is going to look very sharp! I guess from what I had heard or read, I thought those seats were going to just be a darker shade of green then the rest of the seats, but these are really going to POP out! Looks Great! WIN TWINS!

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 121

Very good to hear about the alt throw back home uni's. Love those. Minnesota script on the road with not pinstripes. Like that too. The Truth Hurts. Too negative all the time, such a depressing attitude. Don't like at all.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 122

October monthly construction report available. Click my name for the link. They stated that they are making modifications to the railing height on the terrace level for sightline issues.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 123

Someone asked about individual game prices above. I have a printed list now. I can post them later today if they aren't generally available or there isn't an online place we know of to look them up.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 4:17 PM by robin Highlight this comment 124

That's good to know. My seats are in the first row of the upper deck. Nice to see they are paying attention to those kind of things.

I like the new uniforms. Cream is pretty popular item these days.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 125

This is for JohnF, who thinks I'm too negative...

I think the Twins will win 110 games next year. Unicorns will swoop down out of the sky and sprinkle pixie dust around home plate so that when Punto comes up to bat he will make good contact and fly around the bases, except for third base, where he will stop.

Happy now?

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 126

Thanks for the info Jeff. Two things:

Does anyone know what the CLBT/3rd Ave N improvements consist of?

Also, does anyone know the potential design for the 'triangle'?

"The design for the 'triangle' has been issued, priced, and then modified for value engineering purposes. The city is expected to authorize and pay for this work to commence shortly"

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 127

Robin,

If you forward that list to me (rick at this domain dot com), I'll post it for all to see.

Thanks!

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM by Rick 128

The Third Avenue improvements will be made to the south of the ballpark, near where the bike trail intersects with Third Avenue (adjacent to the A ramp, above where the construction trailers used to be). This will be a significant pedestrian and bike upgrade to the streetscape.

The triangle (pictured above in the post) redesign is not public (at least I haven't been able to get a look), but it is said to include some signage (perhaps along the lines of that big sign at 5th and Chicago by the Dome). It may also carry some of the plaza design features up the street.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM by Rick 129

Interesting story on Yankee Stadium...

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 130

Regarding the railings height. A friend of mine scored a pair of tickets to see the Wild this past Saturday. He invited me along and we sat in the club level 1st row. There was no rail, just a short 3 foot or so wall. I could easily sit back and see see the entire rink. Is there a different set of ordinances for a ballpark as opposed to an area? Sure ou could slip and fall on rained on steps at the ballpark, but you could do the same on spilt beer on arena steps.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 131

Nice link, Twins Territory. This is the ultimate humilation for the Yankees. Their palace is a p.o.s.! Falling apart already!?! I wonder who's head will roll after this one, and that may be literal if there is in fact some mob connections involved. I really can't imagine this shoddy, shadey construction happening with TF. How absolutely embarassing for the Yanks brass.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 5:46 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 132

Only one question after reading the Oct construction update - what exactly is a "superflush?"

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 133

I believe they're referring to flushing every toilet in the whole stadium at once. I'd volunteer to pull a couple handles.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 134

Flushing ALL toilets at TF at exactly the same time. No joke. It's to make sure that the water pressure works properly (or something like that if I am remembering correctly). It came up earlier but I forgot where I saw it. Most likely on this here site!

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 7:42 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 135

I'd be in as well, Elston Gunn.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 7:43 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 136

Rick, I emailed you a list of prices as mentioned above. Note, I sent to your "trade" address. Hope that was okay. The prices seem to reflect a reasonable consensus of those earlier marketing polls on what kind of increase over the STH price would be fair and in line with what the market is expected to bear. I included information on variable pricing, premium, select and value, as per 2009 season. I hope the info is accurate; I have reason to believe it is.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 7:53 PM by robin Highlight this comment 137

DeePee is correct. A "superflush" is flushing all toilets in the ballpark at one time. 3 people from my office are taking part. It is kind of a major milestone in a project like this.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 8:40 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 138

Ummm, are the toilets gonna be full of %^#*(&* Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 8:55 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 139

I have always wanted to be a part of a super flush!

I hope everyone noticed the donation button that Rick put up in the article and show a little love for what he does for us Target Field junkies.

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 9:35 PM by Dust Highlight this comment 140

Jim/Faber - I think I know what those evenly spaced white object are that are up and down the warning track. The lights are on right now and I am pretty sure they aiming the lights. I am under the assumption that those white object are used to aim and set the x/y coordinates of the lights. That is my best guess. I think it is a good one though ;-)

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 9:58 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 141

ahh with the lights on again this week, it makes me want summer! March 13th i will try to get some tickets

Posted on October 26, 2009 at 10:24 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 142

2010 Ticket - likely face values

The following is taken from the 2010 group sales brouchure. These are the first game values, so these will be closest to single game face, especially for the higher end seating areas. Games will have a three-tiered pricing system similar to past variable pricing - VALUE, SELECT, PREMIUM

Prices listed in order (Value/Select/Premium):

Dugout Box $77 $79 $82
Home Plate Box $57 $59 $62
Diamond Box $43 $45 $48
Field Box $31 $33 $36
LF Bleachers $17 $19 $22
Pavillion $22 $24 $27
Overlook $22 $24 $27
RF Bleachers $15 $17 $20

Skyline Deck $24 $26 @29

Home Plate Ter $31 $33 $36
Field Terrace $20 $22 $25
Skyline View $12 $14 $17
Field View $10 $12 $15
Family section $22 $24 $27

Home Run Terr $20 $22 $25
Home Run View $16 $18 $21
Batter's Eye $22 $24 $27
Grandstand $16 $18 $21

I think this has been mentioned before, but the official names in the outfield mezzanine level are "USBank Home Run Purch Terrace" and "USBank Home Run Porch View".

Obviously, not all the seating areas above are available to STHs.
I don't have any info on the Budweiser area pricing.

(For anyone looking for group tickets for opening day - don't hold your breath unless you have been buying hundreds of tickets per year for the last 10 years or so ...)

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:04 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 143

Forgot to mention that the above pricing assumes a minimum of 25 seats per game in the same seating area. The 2010 info will be at twinsbaseball.com/groups (not there yet).

Also - I'm GUESSING that the Skyline Deck will generally be reserved for groups (or at least a significant part of it).

Some of the pricing in the lower priced levels matches the partial season ticket plan costs at the value level.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:12 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 144

robin - how does what you have compare to the 1st game group pricing I listed?

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:18 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 145

Nuts. I just realized that the face value price ranges were listed on the group flyer. Ranges are the same, though I only have Value and Premium prices for the actual Face Value values. I'll post those tomorrow (Rick, sent you a copy of the key page)

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 146

no, superflush is what the twins need to do with the bullpen.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:55 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 147

that's apparently the same as I have. I just gave Rick the face value ranges because I wasn't certain of the exact prices listed in the chart, in case they were different for group purchases. There were some small discrepancies. For Bud roof deck I have only an example of 250 tickets at 7500, 8000 or 10,000 dollars based on value, select or premium games. That's 150 seats and 100 standing room combined.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 06:03 AM by robin Highlight this comment 148

jfh - what you listed are the group prices for your first group outing. I have copied your post, and to the right of your prices I have posted what the Single Game ticket face value should be:

2010 Ticket - likely face values

The following is taken from the 2010 group sales brouchure. These are the first game values, so these will be closest to single game face, especially for the higher end seating areas. Games will have a three-tiered pricing system similar to past variable pricing - VALUE, SELECT, PREMIUM

Prices listed in order (Value/Select/Premium):

Dugout Box $77 $79 $82 $77 $79 $82
Home Plate Box $57 $59 $62 $57 $59 $62
Diamond Box $43 $45 $48 $43 $45 $48
Field Box $31 $33 $36 $32 $34 $35
LF Bleachers $17 $19 $22 $19 $21 $24
Pavillion $22 $24 $27 $22 $24 $27
Overlook $22 $24 $27 $22 $24 $27
RF Bleachers $15 $17 $20 $17 $19 $22

Skyline Deck $24 $26 @29 $27 $29 $32

Home Plate Ter $31 $33 $36 $32 $34 $37
Field Terrace $20 $22 $25 $22 $24 $27
Skyline View $12 $14 $17 $13 $15 $18
Field View $10 $12 $15 $11 $13 $16
Family section $22 $24 $27 $22 $24 $27

Home Run Terr $20 $22 $25 $22 $24 $27
Home Run View $16 $18 $21 $18 $20 $23
Batter's Eye $22 $24 $27 $22 $24 $27
Grandstand $16 $18 $21 $18 $20 $23

The "Select" or the middle pricing will be the norm. It appears that there will be 39 games with the "Select" prices. There will be 15 games that are at the "Premium" prices and 27 discounted games at the "Value" prices.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 07:13 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 149

maybe we can collaborate if people are still interested in getting a group for a game or two. I think we are all using the same sources. The three figures to the right in above list are what I got and what jfh referred to in his later post. The higher priced levels don't get a group discount, but the lower priced areas do, and the discount increases with each group purchased.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 08:20 AM by robin Highlight this comment 150

This may have been noted before but there is a link on the Twins website about the lighting schedule and the addition of 100 more burn in hours and light aiming.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 08:22 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 151

The White markers down the foul lines are Foot markers. The numbers from Home Plate are on each one. ( I looked over the B ramp wall last night)

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 08:40 AM by hans Highlight this comment 152

Based on these numbers the season ticket price is a substantial discount compared to what it has been in the dome. Interesting.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 09:05 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 153

This question has been asked a million times but now that we are getting closer to the completion of the ballpark project I thought one of you with inside knowledge knows if they are going to build that little canopy and small brick support structure over the stairs leading to the trapezoid or not. Just wondering.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 09:11 AM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 154

I finally walked down by the ballpark for the first time this past weekend. I took some pictures and noticed that they were working on the outfield bleachers. Wow, this is a real ballpark. It has such an intimate neighborhood feel. There were a few gates opened, tempting me to take a self-guided tour. I quickly changed my mind when I spotted two squad cars and a canine unit on the plaza. Dang, they have the place blanketed.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 09:12 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 155

Looks like they are FINALLY installing the Legends Club seats.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 09:23 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 156

Robin, can I sit between theloniousjoe and John F.? I feel bad about how we all got off on the wrong foot. I want to make it up to them by maybe buying them some cotton candy and holding their hands and walking them up the stairs when they have to go to the bathroom to pee.

I'd also like to teach them the game of baseball.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 09:59 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 157

clublevel fan - thanks. I didn't have the face on the select games, but the faces for value/premium match what I had.

JCTwins - it's not surprising that there is more of a spread between STH cost and face this year. Since there will be more seats sold at STH prices (roughly 45% of capacity), there are far fewer seats available for individual sale. This also gives the Twins room to run additional discount promotions (e.g. 6 for 5) or play with last minute variable pricing while still being able to get STH level revenue per seat.

This has been a pretty common practice of clubs opening new stadiums and also allows the Twins to reduce the prices across the board in subsequent years if attendance drops without having to move the STH pricing much, if at all. Not that they need any help selling STH plans for now, but it also becomes another marketing benefit to sell season packages.

It was disappointing (but not surprising) to see that the limited ticket exchange benefits of past years are gone. That's probably OK, as long as the STE base is so high, but will come back to haunt them if STE drops back down to 10K-11K or so.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 158

TTH: Sure, but you might have to pay a premium for that seat.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM by robin Highlight this comment 159

Just found this on www.jerseydatabase.com talking about the "NEW" Twins Jerseys!

MINNESOTA TWINS
Unveil date - November 16th (11/16)
Slightly updated wordmark on all jerseys, new patches & a new throwback Jersey.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM by Your Team Sucks! Highlight this comment 160

Someone posted some shots of what is supposedly the new uniforms over at KFAN.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM by JohnC Highlight this comment 161

Jeff, thanks for the Ballpark Authority report. I'm impressed by the SWMBE and women & minority work hours achievements. Not only are the goals relatively high, the project is exceeding them! Kudos to the ballpark authority for being very transparent about this, as opposed to some other public agencies (I'm looking at you, Mn/DOT!).

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM by David (aka David) Highlight this comment 162

According to Dave St. Peter's blog from yesterday, the new jerseys will be unveiled the week of November 9th, not the 16th, which had previously been reported

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 163

Are those pictures on KFAN legit or are they the same "rumored" designs we have been looking at the last couple of days? Can anyone provide a link?

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 164

JohnC - where are the pics on KFAN?

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 165

http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=63670&start=30

I have no idea if they are legit. It would be nice if the guy who earlier posted about the new uniforms would come back here and say more.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM by JohnC Highlight this comment 166

Elston posted this yesterday. This is all I have seen.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 167

Pertaining to the last post and link (first posted by Elston) what STPMN wrote in post 62 on this thread matches these pictures exactly.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 1:00 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 168

I can't imagine what the Legends Club seats are going to look like. If they are wood, why is there green on them(webcam 2)? Also, is their wheelchair seating on that level?

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 169

I wonder if they are going to abandon the dark blue jersey --- I hope not.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 1:04 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 170

Michael-click name to see what the seats will look like. I am guessing that the green you see on webcam 2 is either the seat bottoms, or a cover. I heard there are covers for all the wood back seats for protection when not in use.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 1:08 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 171

How do you suppose the seat width is measured? Armrest to armrest or the part where your butt actually goes? At the dump, even in the best seats the "butt width" ranged between under 14" to over 17". If you are not as skinny as you once were the narrower seats are terrible, especially if the guy next to you is super-sized. Paying over $50 for an inadequate seat was one of my major gripes about the dump.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 172

Does anyone know how the 19"-22" and 20"-22" variation is accounted for? Could they not commit to the exact size when the site was originally set up, or will there be differences based on the section and/or location.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 173

Tom D.

I don't remember who posted this information awhile back, but there were still plans to put a roof over the stairs leading to the trapezoid seating area. The design of the roof was going to differ from what the renderings show. This answer was given by someone in the Twins organization I believe (DSP maybe?). Who knows now though since that answer was giving several months ago if not over a year ago.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 2:11 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 174

At the top of this thread there were a couple of people asking questions about the ticket trading club (Hebrew Hammer, The Sooj, and Faber College Alum).

The answer to the question is: no, you do not need to be a season ticket holder to be a member of the club. In fact, STHs I've spoke with are interested in offloading spare tickets to anyone who can use them.

For details, and to get on the list of charter members, drop me a line at: trade at ballpark magic d0t c0m (which can be easily converted into a real email address which looks something like this: trayed@baleporkmajik.com).

The list of charter members is growing fast, and I'm more and more convinced that this is going to be a pretty exciting amenity for everybody.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 3:14 PM by Rick 175

TTH, Change your name to TAA. One letter stands for arrogant. How old are you anyway? Grow up.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 3:28 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 176

new light poles on the plaza...

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 3:32 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 177

Speaking of trading, drop me a line if you are interested in tickets for Saturday night's Gopher game at TCFBS. Two seats, 45-50 yard line, from someone willing to trade for Twins tickets next season.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 3:39 PM by Rick 178

Regarding those speculated jerseys: I've been told that those are "close" but not nearly accurate. My guess would be that it's a more modern "Minnesota" script. It sounds like there will be the beige jersey though.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 179

Yes, there is wheelchair seating on the Legend Club level, but not in every section. I know L and Q have them, I presume the corresponding sections on the 1st base side do. The sections behind home plate / press box do not.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 4:14 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 180

Game 7 of 91 Series is on ESPN Classic right now. Started at 5:00. They're into the top of the 5th right now. Amazing that John Smoltz is STILL pitching all these years later.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 5:30 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 181

^ Yep; the funny thing is that Smoltz who lost the game 7 is going to be a definite hall of famer, while Morris may never get there.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 9:38 PM by PJ Highlight this comment 182

New Strib article about the area around TF.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 9:56 PM by Tyler Highlight this comment 183

Sorry. I should have clarified to click my name (in the previous post) to view the article.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM by Tyler Highlight this comment 184

2 questions, did anyone else notice that your season ticket invoice is more than the original amount? Mine was a total of $57 more than what I was supposed to be charged and curious if anyone knows that that is for? Also curious if anyone paid with the online 5 month payment plan. Is there a box to check online to for Home Opener Priority as well?

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:09 PM by Twinsfan22 Highlight this comment 185

Twins Fan, I am guessing that you have 2 tickets, 40 game plan, in a section that is $38 dollars a seat? Correct?

You were charged for one of the Exhibition games vs. St. Louis which is 75% of the regular price. Full Season Ticket Holders were were charged for both games, while 20 and 40 game plans were charged for just one game. Details of which game you got it TBD.

2 Tickets x $38.00 per ticket x 1 Exhibition Game = $76.00 x 75% = $57.00. There you have it.

Contact your Season Ticket Rep for the Home Opener info. I am a Full STH and they told me that as of right now, they will not be offering us any chance to pick up additional tickets. That may change as we get closer.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 186

Twinsfan22 -

Your invoice is more than expected because it includes the cost of one or both of the exhibition games. If you have a full season plan, you have both games (at 75% of the season ticket cost for your plan).

If you have a 20 game plan, you will get one of the exhibition games, also at 75%, (which one will be determined by the Twins) somewhere in your seating area. Not sure if the 40 game plans get 1 game or 2.

Your next question is probably - "Can I opt out of the exhibition game tickets?" - the answer I got was "No, it's part of the season ticket package".

I can't answer the question about the online account - I haven't been able to sign on to mine yet.

However, I can tell you that not all STHs with partial plans will be offered the opportunity to buy tickets for the home opener.

This was a marketing incentive and the Twins cut this off to new account holders early last season (I don't know the exact cutoff date). Part of the reason was to provide longtime plan holders an additional benefit over new account holders.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 187

KARE 11 just had a short little story that the official home plate was installed at TF today.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 188

trosy29 - interesting info on additional seats for the home opener. That conflicts with what I have heard, but I suspect that plans aren't fully baked yet.

What I've heard from multiple sources is that full season plan holders will likely have an opportunity to buy additional seats (limited total number of seats, assigned best available), partial plan holders will not (beyond what is already offered to some, as noted in my post above)

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:38 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 189

jfh - Yeah, I have heard a different story in regards to additional seats to the opener. When I first got they tickets, they said that we would get a password to purchase tickets in advance (like game 163 this year). I have probably spoke with them 3 or 4 more times since, and every time I get a different response. I think they just don't have it nailed down yet. I am sure there will probably be quite a few tickets reserved for that game (media, families, etc). I do have a feeling that we won't be able to get additional seats. I am gonna have some unhappy partners in my season ticket group.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 10:45 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 190

Yup, going to be hard to find enough tickets to give all partners OD seats. I tried the group tickets route, but although I'm on the list, my chances of actually being able to get seats are about as close to zero as they can be. The Twins will be giving long time, big group buyers (like 8 to 10 years and more) priority for OD group tickets.

Good news is that availability for the two Cardinals games should be much better, so that may be an option for some.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:03 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 191

I am just gonna cross my fingers for now. I have four seats, and need to come up with 8 more for OD to make all my ticket partners happy. Well, maybe have to take out the camping gear and settle in for a long night on Target Plaza in early March.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:09 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 192

Hey everyone, I know there are season ticket holders that read this. Does anyone have access to the seat selection website? I'm getting a group together for season tickets and am trying to get some info for one of my group members. Is there still seat availability in Sections 323-327? If so, how low in each section?

I haven't gotten 100% commitment from my group so I haven't called the Ticket Office yet to ask and figured someone here might have some answers.

Appreciate it! 167 days left.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:17 PM by Myles Highlight this comment 193

From the horse's mouth - so to speak:

"As for opening day, the only accounts that have the option for opening day will be 40 and 20 game holders. Full season already have their seats and no one will be allowed to purchase additional tickets."

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:36 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 194

Not everyone is going to be happy no matter how the home opener ticket procedure goes. That is just the reality and matter of fact.

There is also a line between people trying to cash in on the event and people who actually want to be there.

To me, EVERY STH (the actual account holder) should have at least an OPPORTUNITY to purchase home opener tickets regardless. If the home opener is sold out via season ticket holders only, so be it. That's the incentive of getting season tickets. My point is, every STH (the actual account holder, not a "Group member" of an account holder) should have an opportunity to be at the home opener before the general public does.

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:43 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 195

I hope that is true Ben!

Posted on October 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 196

"I hope that is true Ben!"

The above (post 194) is a quote straight from one of the ST Account Executives in response to my grouse about the team allowing a class of people to buy extra tickets. My point was that those extra tickets are quite often the ones that wind up on eBay, Craigslist, etc. and that the policy can effectively shut out the "little guy" - who is at least as big a fan as those who game the system.

I don't know what full boat STH types were expecting but it would seem they would have already established some understanding within their group about how OD tickets would be handled.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 12:53 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 197

I don't know if anyone mentioned this already or not, but you can see lightrail trains going to and past the ballpark station, and around the bend by the HERC on webcam 1. How long has the lightrail been going all the way to and past the ballpark station, anyone know?

Also, watching the webcams in the morning hours through noon or so makes for some pretty interesting shadows on the stadium and field. Obviously these would never play into a game, being in the morning and also at this time of year when the sun is traveling across the southern sky, but it's still kind of cool and weird to see a giant shadow of the multifoods building cast on the grass.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 01:22 AM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 198

I think Ben's quote above is official, and it accords with the literature we received for seat selection. In addition, they have decided to cut off home opener purchases for some of the more recent new 2010 STH accounts, as another poster noted. We got used to being able to buy extra tickets in the past. I think my solution will be to give the others first pick at some other premium games and/or offer preseason games gratis. But the account holder is usually the one taking the risk, paying the interest and doing the most work, so that's the way it is. Future home openers are another consolation option.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 04:52 AM by robin Highlight this comment 199

And who knows, April 12 may be snowy, rainy, freezing, whatever, and the 14th and 15th may be nice.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 04:55 AM by robin Highlight this comment 200

the road uniform design on the KFAN link is correct.

the cream alternative is, however, speculative at this point.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 06:24 AM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 201

Great article in the Trib this morning about "sprucing up" TF.
Some good pictures too, one of them is my computer desktop background now.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 07:32 AM by luke Highlight this comment 202

quote from startrib comment:

"All this and no retractable roof. All they had to do is go to Milwaukee and look at how to do a stadium the right way..."
posted by happymama on Oct. 28, 09 at 7:16 AM

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i love reading those comments.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 08:23 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 203

the road uniform design on the KFAN link is correct. the cream alternative is, however, speculative at this point.

Seeing as they are trotting these things out in about a week and a half, I doubt that anything is speculative at this point. I think the uniform bird is full of it.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 08:31 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 204

"To me, EVERY STH (the actual account holder) should have at least an OPPORTUNITY to purchase home opener tickets regardless. If the home opener is sold out via season ticket holders only, so be it. That's the incentive of getting season tickets. My point is, every STH (the actual account holder, not a "Group member" of an account holder) should have an opportunity to be at the home opener before the general public does."

I whole-heartedly disagree. STH already have their tickets for opening day. They shouldn't get more of an opportunity than everyone else. You're not "special" in my mind, you just have more disposable income. Many fans can only afford to take the family to one game a year. They should have every right to opening day tickets as you do for extra opening day tickets. First come, first served.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 08:40 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 205

Good Morning to you too, ribbon boards! Check out the cams. Awesome!

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 08:56 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 206

Ok, I'm a dork. I was able to watch the bottom of the 10th on the 91 series when it was on last night. It was on my crappy 13" tv in the kitchen, so it looked more "real" than watchin on a HDTV. I have to adimit I got chills watching Gladden trot home. It was so great seeing some of the details of that inning that I had forgotten. I forgot Disco Dan hustled around first and took the extra base on his hit to open the inning. There was also a kind big bounce on the carpet to allow him to get to second. I also forgot that after Knoblauch sacrificed Gladden to third, they intentionally walked both Kirby and Hrbek to get to Larkin. I also forgot Larkin got the winning hit on the first pitch of his at-bat. God, it was so fun watching that again! Everyone who was old enought to remember knows exactly where they were when that game was on!

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 207

theloniousjoe, the h isn't running "live" to tf yet. the first day will be monday, nov 16th, coinciding w/ the northstar's first day.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 208

I hope the actual new uniforms are different than the pictures we've been seeing. I like how "Minnesota" is written out in script on the road jerseys, but using a star to dot the i looks stupid. It's like they are trying to copy those awful new Wild uniforms. Looks minor league. I do like that they have ditched the pinstripes though

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 209

Myles - STH that have already selected their seats during the relocation process no longer have access to the inventory system. Unless you know someone actively selecting new seats, you'll have to call the season ticket folks to check availability.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 210

that star on the new road unis isn't new, so they weren't trying to "copy" the Wild. it was a part of the uniform from 1961-65 - I believe it was on the jackets. see link

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 211

Ben - with regard to post 194:

Not all 20 and 40 game plan account holders will have the opportunity to purchase home opener tickets. Any new plan holders that came on board sometime in 2009 (not sure of the actual date) will not be given that opportunity.

As for extra tickets for full plans, there seems to be conflicting information on that, so we'll see. Even though I was recently told otherwise, I do NOT believe full plan holders will have any opportunity befoe the general ticket presale to buy additional OD tickets.

In terms of fairness, I have no problem if full plan holders can't buy extra tickets. As you say, they already have them. I suspect sure most account owners will use the opening day tickets themselves. I'd like to accomodate partners if possible, but the ability to set the rules and pick a game for myself off the top one of the "perks" of running a season ticket group (and taking the associated risk). I encourage anyone running a season ticket group to have a written understanding of how things work, how games are drafted or assigned, etc. so everyone knows upfront how things work.

To whoever implied that full plan holders have more money than others is off base. Many people I know that own full season tickets don't end up with more games than if they had a personal partial plan, but do so because they either (a) wanted better seats (certain areas were only avaialble as full plans) ior (b) have long-term groups.

With regard to the eBay/Craigslist selling, I'm against it of the STH picks up extra OD tickets just for resale (to anyone other than existing partners) - that process does hurt the "little guy". (I don't have a problem with that process in general, but do for a once in a lifetime event like OD at a new stadium).

However - if the Twins don't allow STHs to buy additional tickets, that isn't going to stop the problem. Somehow the ticket brokers and speculators will end up with a good share of the general public OD seats and people will get shut out anyway.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 11:46 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 212

Is there any way to get video of the 91 series? I'd like to watch the whole thing. I've looked online and don't believe I've found anything. Too bad I missed last night's showing.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 12:11 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 213

JCTwins - See the attached link. The best you can do is probably buy them.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 214

Thanks Trosy...looks like you can't get the full video of 91. 87 is on there for about $35, but only issued in 2007. The 87 and 91 DVD is a clip show, only 2 hours long. I'll keep my eyes open for a full DVD.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 12:55 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 215

Sweet pic from Strib in reference to the Northstar.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 216

I'm a bit wary of the KFAN chat room uni's being completely accurate. The throwbacks are to commemorate the 50 yr anniversary season. If they are accurate to the 1961 uniform, they won't be cream and they will have pinstripes.

I think it more likely the throwbacks have pinstripes, and the updated home uni's do not & include the update Twins script.

I like the roads... Minnesota needs a blue outline.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM by Tim12 Highlight this comment 217

jfh, you are so right. Concerning STHs, I also agree that they don't need extra income. Maybe enough cash flow or savings to afford risk of loss. Just go with a group and enjoy benefits like playoff access, etc. Twins are very good about rewarding STHs. Free bobbleheads, etc. The only thing I would say for sure you want is good or decent credit ratings. Unless you can get partners and buyers to pony up right away, it's a big balance.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM by robin Highlight this comment 218

As a person that just put a deposit down for 2010 back in late August I was able to select seats today, and very happy with the outcome. My wife and I are only doing a 20 game plan, but since the schedule was already released and they had broken the games down we knew exactly what we were receiving. STH prior that were selecting a partial plan would have been selecting in the dark so to speak. We were able to select seats in Section 126 Row 16! WHOOHOO...see everyone in 2010!

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 2:29 PM by Tyler.Bauman Highlight this comment 219

good deal, Tyler. Just curious, did you have the opportunity to buy the home opener?

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM by robin Highlight this comment 220

Is there an online calendar that breaks out the DEF&G 20 game plans? I received my info on Saturday but while moving over the weekend, I misplaced it (right after saying "this is important, I cannot lose this").

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 221

I received "Twins at the Met" the other day. Any of you guys that remember the Twins teams from Met Stadium need to get this book. If your wives/girlfriends/boyfriends (not that there's anything wrong with that) have been asking what you want for Holidays, tell them to get you this book, it's GREAT!

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 222

Robin -

Right after I selected my tickets, I emailed my account rep because of the conflicting information thats been posted on here. This is what he sent me:

The home opener right now is its own monster. Right now, individuals with full season tickets are the only ones guaranteed the home opener. 40 game and 20 game holders who were season ticket holders up to 2009, will have a chance to turn in a request for home opener tickets for a location to be determined at a later date. They are eligible for the same amount of seats they have for their plan, but at the same time, they are still not guaranteed seats for the home opener, they are just throwing their hat into the ring. May not be inventory for that. After all that is said in done, there may be a possibility for others to purchase them, but then again, we aren’t sure. So right now, it’s really a moving target as it comes to that game. no guarantees for anyone unless they are full season.

so with that said, I'm not getting my hopes too high for the opener

Tyler

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM by Tyler.Bauman Highlight this comment 223

On the contrary, for many people there is something wrong with that.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 224

Rick

I am interested in trading some Twins tickets next year for this Saturday's Gopher tickets. How do I drop you a line?

Bob

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM by Bob Highlight this comment 225

"Target Field" sign now up over the outfield gates

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 4:18 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 226

What are these white dots all over the plaza? It looks like they're mounted to poles? Check out the webcam.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 4:59 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 227

I'm pretty sure those are the new plaza lights, EG

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 5:03 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 228

Sounds like the best shot at OD tickets is to be a full STH - in which case they are automatic. Second best shot has pretty much boiled down to lesser STH who are not "Johnny Come Lately" types. Third best shot is to be a recent ST customer, a "little guy", or some other relative nobody. I guess I'm selfish enough to be glad that I have the second best shot but wonder if the Twins will start talking out of the other side of their mouth - as they often do - and, given what has been declared, wonder where the broker types are going to get their inventory.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 5:45 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 229

Metro Transit says Target Field Station opens Nov 14.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 6:12 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 230

Looks great. I love the night picture of TF.
One problem, will there be any exterior lighting on TF? Looking at the webcam now, it's like TF is the only light in the vast expanse of hell - it looks so dark along 7th and 5th Streets...at least there's a glimmer of light on the 5th Street side with the LRT and Northstar platforms.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM by luke Highlight this comment 231

To annoy cust: go to twinsbaseball.com, go to tickets, then mytwinstickets, then season ticket schedule, plans, whatever and you have a color-coded calendar.
Tyler, sounds like it will be tough to get the opener. Your case shows there are advantages to waiting, though. You still got diamond box section, and the advantage of knowing what games are in your plan, and maybe you saved money in prior years by not keeping a consecutive run of season ticket years for priority.
People aren't complaining that season ticket holders get the opener, are they? Or just the possibility they could get extras? It used to be that they could pick any games before public sale and there were still plenty of good seats left for the public. If the opener isn't all taken by STHs, a lot of the public buyers will get more than some STHs. Not too many, but that's the problem with trying to be "fair" by putting them on sale at the same time for everybody. Some will still have the advantage of luck, being able to take time off work, etc. There has to be some kind of rationing and it seems the Twins are making a reasonably fair attempt at that. A full season holder might get 2 home opener tickets. Most partial holders will also get at least 2. Some people who wait in line will get whatever the maximum allowed, unless again, they are all gone by march 13.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM by robin Highlight this comment 232

Tyler - to add to the informtion you have - the "hat" for 20/40 game plan holders are throwing in to is really a priority list based on first payment date for the partial plan holders.

If you are a 20/40 game holder and want home opener tickets, pay your invoice ASAP if you haven't already done so. The accounts will be sorted by payment date. I presume the tiebreakers for the same date is account longevity, but I don't know that.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 233

That's good information, and good news for a friend, who hasn't picked yet, but paid in full when initial deposit was due. I still think it's a long shot though, as he is also a new STH.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 7:46 PM by robin Highlight this comment 234

Did anyone see the webcam 1 at noon today (Oct 28)? I was flipping through a couple months, go back just one month, September 28 - they've come a long way in 31 days, but today at noon was something of sheer beauty.

Today at noon on the webcam 1 - this is what I saw: Equipment on the field, workers on the field, the ribbon board on the club level fascia in blazing red, 3 left field static ad boards in off white, a small ribbon board on the left field side (pitch speed counter?) in a weird green, the ribbon board on the trapezoid in the same color, and the right field static ads in an off-white.

Like I said, sheer beauty. AND if you go back to 10AM, instead of a blazing red, the ribbon boards were a blinding white, there is a small patch of blue in the Met Club area (visible on Web 2), the wood-slat seats look so damn good in any light . And to top it all off, the webcam 1 at noon showcased not only an H-LRT train in queue, but two Northstar trains in queue.

Like I said, sheer beauty.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM by luke Highlight this comment 235

nice work, Phillies

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 11:07 PM by robin Highlight this comment 236

Nabbed a few shots of TF tonight, posted 3 of them. The sign above the Met Club is illuminated nicely. In the words of my girlfriend, "The shot still sucks cuz the 'D' isn't working right". I think they turned out well besides the fact.

Posted on October 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 237

From what I have heard there will be street lighting upgrades along 5th street 7th street and along third ave as A part of the landscape upgrades around the ballpark. I am sure there is going to be more upgrades and probably someone on here knows more.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 05:28 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 238

Lights posts are being installed along 7th street, and throughout the Plaza. They just are not connected yet.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 05:52 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 239

says Charley Walters in this mornings Pioneer Press (twincities.com/dailydose):

"Now that the Twins are finished with the Metrodome, look for the interior of the arena to become more “purple” in terms of decorating now that the Vikings are the lone major tenant."

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 07:12 AM by luke Highlight this comment 240

Luke, I thought the same thing initially about lack of lighting around the stadium when the lights were on, but I think that's just part of the webcam image. The stadium lights are so bright, it overwhelms any other ambient light in the area. I think it's just an illusion that it looks so dark around the stadium.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 07:19 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 241

If you look at the wider shot of the Met Club I posted last night you can see what the plaza light poles look like. One is directly under the G in the Target Field sign. You can see the other one in the image if you look at the balcony of the Met Club. I have seen these types of lights before, but these are different slightly. The bulb is in the pole and it illuminates upward and the circular disk reflects the light down. They were not on, but did appear to be in a mostly finished state. If you look closely, the light pole under the G almost mirrors the look of the canopy and support beams. Very simple design. Should look great turned on. Pretty cool.;)

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 07:54 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 242

That is true Faber.
Coming in this AM on 94-Eastbound, I could tell the scoreboard light tower was on, because I saw this huge cloud of white light, high above the Broadway Ave bridge.
I'm still looking forward to coming in the morning and seeing the scoreboard tower AND the Twins sign lit.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 08:29 AM by luke Highlight this comment 243

I don't know if anyone has noticed this. But if you pan far left on webcam 2, you can see they are also testing the out of town scoreboard. Pretty sweet.

Also, are all of the random back-lite boards going to be for advertisements? Anyone know?

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 244

Does anyone know what the lights are above the ticket windows under the Met Club? Just noticed them.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM by Strongred Highlight this comment 245

I get to pick my seats next Tuesday and was leaning toward the LF Bleachers, but was wondering if anyone knows if there is another scoreboard since I won't have any view of the main one due to HR Porch overhang.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 246

from left field you would have a great view of the away scoreboard, located on the outfield wall underneath 'the trap'. It wouldn't have video I don't think, but Cleveland uses it to show the batter and statistics in addition to the scores around the league.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 1:26 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 247

Strongred - Pretty sure that is just digital sign for the ticket booths. So, above each window will be "Will Call" "A-E Will Call" "F-J Will Call" "Single Game Tickets" etc..

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 248

Where is the away scoreboard? In RF on the big wall? Is there going to be any LED batter info outs balls strikes etc in line with the video boards like the Metrodome?

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 249

Nevermind, I see it below the Grandstand on the Panoramic seat view

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 250

too funny. they just turned the target field sign on (the one above the metropolitan club) and the frickin' "D" is already partially burned out! so at that rate they will only need about 160 light bulbs a year for that particular sign!

:-)

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 2:07 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 251

Jimmer - There will be every stat of every type that will be shown on the boards throughout the stadium. The amount of information that will be thrown at you via all the scoreboards will blow you away.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 2:16 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 252

Seems as though there are major problems with the Twins' ticketing/seat selection software. My rep told me today that it is a new system to be used by all MLB teams, and the Twins are the league's guinea pigs (Thanks, Bud.) The rep I worked with had to call me back five minutes AFTER I initially selected seats, as the computer failed at aligning the right number of rows per section. Therefore, I had to reselect -- this time for different seats -- as the seats the computer originally selected for me were now (somehow) no longer available.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 253

TTH is right. There are some major bugs. I received a call from my ST Rep yesterday because they needed the security code off of my credit card for the 1st payment that I mailed in. I asked "I forgot to put that on there?" His reply: "No, there isn't a place on the invoice that asks for it." He went on to tell me that the new ticket system requires this security code to process the payment. So, anyone who mailed in their invoice and is paying via Credit Card is getting a call from the ST office to get their security codes from their CC's. That is probably quite a few phone calls to make.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 2:30 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 254

This is a little different, and probably won't matter much, but the color coding for the online calendar for 20-game plans differs from the calendar in the packages mailed out. The dates match by letter, C, D, E and F, so just don't communicate with people about the plans by color, because they may be looking at a different sequence of dates. eg, blue dates on printed calendar are purple on online calendar.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 2:43 PM by robin Highlight this comment 255

They sent me the list of dates with each plan printed in just text in black and white...

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 2:59 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 256

Those wood backed seats in the legends club look sharp.

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 3:46 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 257

Not to be nit picky but...(Faber C.A. post #207) there was only one Disco Dan,(Dan Ford). He's the player that ran backwards from 3rd to home plate. He was a pretty good player, but he was not in the same class as Dan Gladden. Sorry... rant over, (just cringed when I read it.)

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 4:59 PM by hans Highlight this comment 258

Do we know which company is providing the MLB ticketing software? Bellina is providing the seat selection software, same as what the Gophers used for TCF. However, I can't believe that company has the MLB contract for all ticket sales. If they do, can someone figure it out and let me know?

Posted on October 29, 2009 at 9:17 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 259

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