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Change-Up

November 27, 2009 2:17 AM

You've had your turkey and pumpkin pie, and you're deep in the groggy throes of the tryptophan, but I bet you still noticed that things have changed around here.

That's right: we've got another MVP on our hands. (Nobody gives a crap about web site redesigns.)

Here's a little something that I noticed two Saturdays ago when I went down to the park to see the first Northstar train pull into the station:

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Hey! An unnumbered gate!

Yes, this little gate is tucked around behind the Northstar circulation building, and it doesn't have a number. In the sequence of gates, it's right between #6 Oliva and #14 Hrbek.

Hmm. Can you think of any Twin who wears a number between 6 and 14 and might one day have it retired and attached to a Target Field gate by the team?

OK, that's putting the cart before the horse a little bit. They're going to need to re-sign him first. And a few other quality players. But still...

I was able to peer through the gate. Just another amazingly cool peek into the new amazingly cool ballpark:

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A peek through a tiny gate.

(Yes, while other media people get tours, I peek through gates. I'm 10 years old.)

One benefit of riding the Northstar train is getting a look inside the circulation building. Even though this part isn't connected to the rest of the ballpark, it's still Twins Territory.

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The entry from the platform to the ballpark.


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A mural featuring the names of a bunch of Minnesota towns.


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Up inside the circulation building. (That's the LRT platform visible through the windows.)


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This is where you will put out your butts -- I mean enjoy some pretty flowers.

Riding the Rails

If you are a Facebook fan or Twitter follower, you know that Noah and I got on the Northstar train and rode to Big Lake last Saturday. Us and about a billion other people.

It was standing room only until we got about halfway home. What were all these people doing? Same thing we were: checking out the route and amenities and everything.

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Here we are waiting for the first train to arrive at the station (Nov 14).

I'll probably never have a reason to ride that train again, but there's something very engaging about seeing your city from a completely different vantage point. You have moments when you recognize the back of a landmark, and you discover that places you know actually have different place names from a train.

You also get to see a lost history of the city documented in metal awnings, loading platforms and abandoned track spurs which used to serve all of these ancient warehouses. For some, this would be boring. For me, it was fascinating almost every moment. (Hmm, maybe there is a reason for me to ride that train again...)

I used to live adjacent to these tracks in northeast Minneapolis, and always wondered what it might be like to ride a train on them. Turns out, it made me seasick.

This probably wasn't a very common reaction among riders, but it nabbed two of us in our party (my brother and his family also joined us). It's easy to understand when you realize that those tracks move through some pretty serious freight yards on their way to Fridley. They have to go slowly, and there are trains moving at different speeds on each side, and the cars have a bouncy ride that is common for commuter rail, but quite different from LRT.

Add to that the fact that, since we were standing, we had to fold in half to look out the windows. A deadly combination.

Once we hit 50 MPH, in the stretch past Anoka, and had a few of Noah's crackers in us, everybody recovered just fine. I wouldn't let it deter me from riding, because the solution is simple: don't look out the window!

Here are a couple of sights from the trip.

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Our conductor in Big Lake


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With the engine behind us, we got a real sense of how fast we were going by looking out the front (back) window


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Arrival back at Target Field


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Our engineer.

Site Stuff

Not only is there a new look here, but there are new features -- including details on two new services which will be available in the next couple of months.

You can read up on: TC Traders and InGameMagic. The latter is free, the former for a nominal charge.

You may also notice that the front page of this web site no longer has any Google ads -- at least not for the next few weeks. That's my way of saying thanks to the folks who donated so generously and unexpectedly.

There's a donate button in the upper right of this page if you feel so inclined. I will use any donations to extend the ad-free period, with the goal simply being that donations replace the (somewhat measly) ad earnings, which go to cover the direct expenses of the site.

One final thing is that the old domain name, though it will still be recognized, is now the former name of the site. So RIP, TwinsBallpark2010. You done good. Hello, BallparkMagic. (Update your bookmarks!)

Thanks for your patience while I got all this ready. Now we can get back to talking more frequently about baseball and our new ballpark.

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The past is the future. Seriously.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Comments


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Thanks for the update looks like their about done with target field cant wiat till outdoor baseball!

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 08:21 AM by Ching96 Highlight this comment 1

Great update Rick.

I always had a theory about a "Mauer Gate" (before I knew this one existed).

This is 10 years or so down the road and a HUGE pipe dream, but:

The HERC is gone.
The triangle patch of land that currently houses the HERC is purchased by the MBA/Twins.
That land is then transformed into a grand plaza, and the LTR station is moved to this area, allowing for expansion. The plaza could contain the Twins HOF/Restaurant. A large walkway/starircase will go over the current Northstar rail and will lead up to a remodeled facade of the stadium, containing gate #7, the second main gate (other than #34). It also fits in the numbering order.

This may be why this side of the stadium is so bland. Obviously they are able to disguise their plan by saying "well this portion faces the HERC and no one will really be back there, etc, so that is why didn't do much on that side". But all the while, they plan on this being one of THE places to be before/after games, once the HERC is out of the picture.

A man can dream, can' he?

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 2

Rick, How long can a item be in our "cart"?

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM by Michael Highlight this comment 3

Items stay in your cart until you either delete them or purchase them!

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM by Rick 4

A quick note on comment troubles:

The change in domain names is screwing up some people's ability to comment. I'm working on it (at least until the turkey comes out of the oven in an hour or so).

In the meantime, just know that if your comment doesn't show up right away, it'll get there eventually. They are not going into a vacuum, but they are not getting where they need to go. I'll be adding them manually until I can get this little blip fixed...

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Rick 5

Rick, LOVE the new look. Much cleaner looking (I do websites for a living, so I'm always critiquing sites I visit) and I'm totally psyched to get the 2010 calendar and be part of the ticket trading service. Thanks for being the ringleader of this ever-growing community of people that love Twins baseball and the new stadium.

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 6

i'm digging the new layout. thanks again for all the hard work you put into this site!

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 7

Thanks for the update Rick and for all your efforts in creating such a great website. I like the Ballpark Magic add by the scoreboard in the banner. Nice Touch!

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 8

Love the new look and thanks for all the new pics, looks like their about done, cant wait till outdoor baseball!

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Myles Highlight this comment 9

Thanks for the update looks like their about done with target field cant wiat till outdoor baseball!

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Ching96 Highlight this comment 10

Very nice update Rick.
Nice pics too.

What are we going to do in five months when TF opens up??

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by luke Highlight this comment 11

Thank you, Rick. Everything looks great! I hope you know how much your hard work is appreciated by all!

PS - I think it's a little early to simply assume that Nick Punto's going to have a gate named after him, don't you? :)

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 12

who thinks rick should start another site about the marlins park? I'm sure he wouldn't mind moving to Florida for the winter ;)

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 13

Great job rick. That last pic is awesome.

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 14

Site looks fantastic Rick!

Thanks for all the hard work!

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by 2bb Highlight this comment 15

Great pics Rick.
I wonder if I might have passed you by during the Northstar opening on the 14th - I was there too. Didn't ride the train, but went down to the TF station to check it out.

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by luke Highlight this comment 16

Thank you, Rick - I hope you know how much everyone appreciates all of your hard work!

How do we know it's not going to be the "Punto Gate?" :)

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 17

Nice clouds... where are the Care Bears?

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 3:54 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 18

WTF?

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM by BULLDOG Highlight this comment 19

Interesting, when I was at Buffalo HS in the late 90s early 00s I always got asked if Phil Mackey and I were related (my last name also Mackey, you dont see too many Mackeys), then recently i've had many people ask me if I have a brother or cousin who is on KFAN, I had no idea what they were talking about, i dont get KFAN in very well in my car, so I dont listen to them nor know who is on there, but to my surprise, the same kid who people thought I was related to in HS is the same kid on KFAN now being posted about (and commented about lol) Ok, VERY lame post by me, just found it very intruiging. I'll hang up and listen now :)

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 20

Bulldog, TTH is referring to the clouds that are the background image on the website.

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 9:13 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 21

Care Bears...lol

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 11:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 22

tth - and what the hell is wrong with the care bears?

you know and i know that "care-a-lot" was a beautiful castle in the clouds where the care bears lived out their happy days. the care bears were the luckiest bears in "care-a-lot".

and we could all use a "rainbow rescue beam" from time to time. especially if the evil "great fetuccini" is about and causing trouble.

care bears unite!

i don't want to hear one more bad word about the care bears.

;-)

Posted on November 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 23

Back in the days of my youth, I was an assistant manager at Pizza Hut in Rochester. They have a nice, big Pizza Hut now, perhaps even more than one. But in 1984-1984 they only had one small Pizza HSouth Broadway accross from Soldier Field.
There was a promotional tie-in with the then-fabulously popular Care Bears, in which we were selling Care bear glases dirt cheap while supplies lasted. There was a new one each wek. We were short on space as it was, so storing case upon case of these glasses really put us in a bind.
But selling them made people crazy. EVERYONE simply had to have these glasses, and the place turned into a zoo, with parents who were frantic to have these glasses. Whenever we ran out of our supply, we faced the angry mob of parents who would scream at us and demand satisfaction.

I hated that promotion and still today, thoughts of the Care Bears dredge up only unpleasant thoughts.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 07:34 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 24

Wasn't 1984 about the time the Care Bears Movie came out as well? I was DONE with the Care Bears after seeing that movie. My God!

About that time, The Smurfs were my cartoon of choice, oh, and reruns of The Flintstones (which I don't see anywhere on TV anymore). And even though I'm well into my thirties now, I still like a Garfield and Friends episode now and again (OK, I have all five seasons on DVD).

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 09:10 AM by luke Highlight this comment 25

Great post, Rick. I hope you get a "final" tour to take pics of the park. You're one of the only media members who would do it justice.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 26

Wow....And some of you thought the Vikings discussion was bad...

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 27

Kevin, I'm sorry. So, so sorry. I never meant for this to happen. I forgot that many of the guys on here probably got their first boners from watching Rainbow Brite.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 12:02 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 28

Rick, nice upgrades, I'll be linking the store to all of my family for christmas gifts

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 12:11 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 29

Overall, nice job - just saying, the clouds give it the aura of a 14-year-old's Myspace page.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 30

Look at a lot of fourteen-year-olds' Myspace pages, do you?

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 3:56 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 31

I have wondered in the past, and maybe we wont know until April, but I've wondered about the entry procedures at TF, whether you'll just go single file through the door with a guy and a ticket scanner, no turnstiles (i.e. Target Center, and the X) or if they'll have self-serve turnstiles, i.e. Citi Field (Click my name for a YouTube video I found. I hope TF does not use the same entry procedures Citi Field does. Please note, this IS NOT my video, I have no idea who's doing the commentary on the thing).

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM by luke Highlight this comment 32

outdoor baseball - blue sky, clouds - i feel ya, Rick! Sometimes you should make it dark blue and stars to replicate a night game sky. (maybe that will agree with these guy's design sensibilities)

tth - the Care Bear reference is the most amusing thing you've ever said by far. lol

Luke, when baseball starts, we'll be watching baseball and chatting via InGameMagic, dontcha know?? :D

Jacquie

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 4:44 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 33

Rick, if I wait until 2010 to buy the scrapebook, will there be any left? Because I asked for the calender and the scrapebook for christmas and inccase I don't get it.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM by michael Highlight this comment 34

Luke, that video was slightly amusing because when they guy turned the camera towards himself his mouth did not move at all when he was talking! i thought it was a little funny...

But yes I hope things are similar to the X where there are no turnstiles and just ticket scanners. Makes everything a little more seamless.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 7:05 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 35

Andrew Clem added the T.F. profile on his site. Click link.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 36

Yeah, the video is rather humorous...but I'm hoping the Powers that Be at TF don't make the same mistake that Citi Field did and have people scan their own tickets. More than one person in that video had trouble with it...

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 9:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 37

The Coen Brothers' take on Joe Mauer (see link)

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 9:43 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 38

Rick, I like the night sky. Much better than the whimsical clouds.

Posted on November 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 39

If you saw stars, you got a sneak preview of the "theme" feature. Coming soon.

If you browse with the latest version of Opera and had trouble with the store, it's been corrected.

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 01:08 AM by Rick 40

Luke linked to a video of CitiField above. It was interesting, but if you continued the tour (click here), you got to be with Will (the videographer) as he got to his seats for the very first time.

It is not a pretty site, and he is positively crestfallen. He's right next to a staircase and will be watching every game through a dirty plexiglass railing.

This is EXACTLY the type of thing that I hope does not happen to even a single fan at Target Field, and it's the reason I wrote my previous post about obstructions.

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 01:12 AM by Rick 41

YouTube is like a drug. But you know that.

Here is a look at some of the other obstructed seats at CitiField (along with a bunch of other New York baseball commentary).

That led me to this which shows that NYS did indeed turn out to be a bandbox in its first season. (Where will TF fall? Way up there.)

Also note that the "HHH Metrodome" is nowhere to be found on that list...

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 01:40 AM by Rick 42

Rick,

Metrodome is #8 on that list. It is listed as Mall of America Field.

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 08:51 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 43

(That's my point...)

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 09:06 AM by Rick 44

Rick i love the new layout! I was in Kansas for 2 days so i had to catch up but yeah, another great update sir

TTH-i read that Mauer coen Bros espn article on the long car ride to kansas, pretty funny

To everyone, maybe we can start a petition to allow rick the final tour and maybe send it to DSP or whoever? I don't know how to really set up one of those online ones. Rick, how did you get the other tours again?

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 11:06 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 45

Oh yeah and maybe all of us can have a beer sometime in spring? Personally, i may or may not be in MN, because i may be moving to NYC for a internship that would prob be at least jan-april but yeah just an idea

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 11:08 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 46

I'd get together for a beer. Maybe we should all meet at Hrbeks before some game...
Did any of you watch the Behind the Lights last night on Fox Sports North? It's the first time I saw it, it was about the turf installation. It was still good though.
Rick, I had seen alot of those tour videos of Citi. I'll agree with you, it wasn't a pretty sight...but, TF kinda does have seats like that, those "mini-rows" that are above all the entry tunnels in the upper reaches. You're gonna be seeing people go up and down all game long. Granted, you won't have to stand up for alot of people wanting to get by, or risk getting your hot dog sneezed upon by some kid as it's passing down the row from the vendor to you...but, and I know we mentioned it here before, there's gonna be tons of traffic by those rows.

I was thinking to myself, I know that Populous has had a trademark with gigantic sized staircases entering their latest stadiums as of late (i.e. CitiField and TCFBS) and I thought, huh, I wonder if they did one like that at TF someplace. I caught myself just in time to remember that they in fact do have a mammoth staircase at TF, the one right by the B Ramp that leads up to the Trapezoid.

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM by luke Highlight this comment 47

Anybody know when the wind sculpture will be completed?

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 8:37 PM by J Highlight this comment 48

On that Park Factors chart - interesting how Yankee stadium is at the top of the HR list, but at the bottom of the 2B and 3B lists, and number 20 on the runs scored list. Not sure what that means - maybe that its dimensions are small enough to allow HRs while preventing doubles and triples. They must have had a relatively high number of solo homers.

I'm with you, Rick - I think there will be no short supply of dingers at TF. The Twins have stated that the park is thought to favor neither pitchers nor hitters, but I have a hunch this will be a hitter's park - less foul territory, and I bet the ball carries better than in the stuffy dome. Just a guess.

Posted on November 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 49

I've always thought it would be kind of cool to meet some of you other Ballpark Magic addicts. Something should definitely be setup for some time in the spring!

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 01:31 AM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 50

tlj - you can buy me a beer.

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 09:05 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 51

Lightage on the wind veil!

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 52

Damn Dee, you beat me to it!

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 53

I can't believe that no one linked to this good news.

Now we can potentially ENJOY the first round of the playoffs.

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM by Rick 54

Now if only Ron Darling can get hit by a Greyhound bus... (OK, not really, but...)

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 55

The items aren't saving in my "Cart" when I logout of my account. Why?

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 56

Michael,

I'm investigating...

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 7:48 PM by Rick 57

Thanks and Rick, if I wait until 2010 to buy the scrapebook, will there be any left? Because I asked for the calender and the scrapebook for christmas and inccase I don't get it.

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 7:52 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 58

Michael,

Your shopping cart is stored as a cookie. It looks, from my logs, like your cookies are getting deleted whenever you close your browser window. Your security settings or a clean-up utility may be causing that.

As for availability of these items, when they're gone, they're gone. My advice is to place your order now using "Check/Money Order" as the payment option. The inventory will be reserved for you, but not shipped until payment is received.

Then you just have to convince Santa to write the check...

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 8:08 PM by Rick 59

Anybody else notice that the conductor in Rick's pic above looks just like T1000?

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 9:29 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 60

And the engineer, Fabio?

Posted on November 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 61

More like a drunken Christian Slater.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 12:22 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 62

Is it just me, or does it look like they removed that open fire pit from the roof deck?

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 07:51 AM by MB Highlight this comment 63

Gus Johnson should call every playoff game in every sport until the end of time.

I'd be happy.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 09:01 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 64

I'd like to hear Kevin Harlan doing some baseball. That would be pretty sweet.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 09:19 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 65

I thought the engineer looked like one of the Pohad sons (the one who is a filmmaker or writer or whatever).

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 10:02 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 66

sorry, I meant Pohlad

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 67

I hate to wake a sleeping giant, but watching last night’s Patriots vs. Saints game, I got to wondering. Is anyone clamoring for the Superdome or the Georgia Dome to be replaced? Do the Saints and Falcons make money in their older domes?

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 12:20 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 68

I just went by TF during my lunch. The first portion of the wind veil is up, and it looks so good. Workers had moved onto the second section.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 69

The superdome still hosts superbowls every couple of years, so by that standard there is no need for replacement.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 1:28 PM by jp Highlight this comment 70

Steeks,
I doubt that the Superdome will be replaced anytime soon given the money [almost $200 million] that went into repairing it after Katrina and all the other problems the state has; it also looks as if there's going to be another $300 million of renovations coming up.

As far as the Georgia Dome goes, it's ten years younger than the Metrodome and has more seating and luxury boxes. That said, it looks like the new stadium talks are starting to come up there even after only 17 years [see link].

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM by Nate Highlight this comment 71

Has anyone seen the yahoo report about Mauer setting a deadline for a deal to be done before the season begins or he'll stop negotiating. It just doesn't sound consitant with what Mauer has been saying as of late. What does everyone else think?

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM by Nikc Highlight this comment 72

I'm guessing that Yahoo report is coming from a writer on the East Coast?

Just a hunch...

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 73

I don't believe that Yahoo! report. Mauer just said last week at his press conference that, it will happen when it happens and he is not the type of person to set deadlines.

It's probably just someone from a big market trying to draw attention and fuel speculation about the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Angels, etc.

As for the Georgia Dome, believe it or not, Arthur Blank, the Falcons owner, has already began exploring ideas for a new stadium to replace the Georgia Dome. This was before the recession hit, so I don't know if he is still exploring ideas, but its definitely on the radar in Atlanta.

The Washington Redskins have also mentioned a new stadium to replace FedEx Field, which opened in 1997 as Jack Kent Cooke Stadium. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 1:49 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 74

Any wind veil pictures? I'm itching to take a look!

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 2:10 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 75

I have not paid too much attention to the Vikes in years - Red and jail kind of cooled me off, I guess. So, I don't get the stadium issue. Maybe someone should help me out. Don't they have a place to play that was built with them in mind? There were some great questions for Wilf posed on the op-ed page of the Strib yesterday. The line of reasoning was basically that if Wilf wants to pick our pockets so he can make MORE money he should be told to go pound salt.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 76

Our Metrodome is 3rd world. It doesn't even deserve to house dog shows.

And the new stadium wouldn't be owned by Zygi.

But his can all be found ad nauseum in the previous post.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 77

Looks like the field's being put to bed for the winter. I don't think they could have asked for better weather these past three months to get the grass going.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 3:07 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 78

This is how we know Joe will sign with the Twins. see link

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 79

I will take some photos tomorrow of the wind veil and maybe even a video. Not sure how great you will be able to see it through the skyway, especially since you have to stand back to see it ripple. It looked so cool though. It reminds me of one of those metal pin boards that you have as a kid, where you put your hand under it and see the outline. That's how the thing moves.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 3:10 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 80

wow, the field blinds you with the lights shining on that white tarp

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 7:11 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 81

I was watching HS Hockey Night on FS North and they showed another milestone being reached at Target Field with the last seat being installed today. It was in the Legends Club with the wood back. They also showed some quick footage of the tarps being layed out to cover the grass for the winter.

Nothing major, but its always nice to see some baseball news, in particular, ballpark news, in November, December, and January.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 7:50 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 82

I was wondering about that. ARe they going to cover the grass with tarps prior to the snowcover? I'm sure someone out there has their PHD in this area, but does the grass come back better with snow directly on or is it better to have it covered in some way. I would think a breathable cover unlike the rain tarps that they use in the summer. Similar to how they cover the greens at most golf courses over the winter.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 83

Re: The tarp

I think it's a little sad actually. Couldn't they have chosen a color OTHER than white? Holy God...it makes it look like the non-outdoor-baseball gods decided to snow specifically on the field. Nowhere else, just the field.

I think it looks awful. Couldn't they have put a Miller Lite ad, or a "this IS Twins Territory" sign or the symbol of the Anarchy, Nihilism or the Unification Church or something down there??

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 9:28 PM by luke Highlight this comment 84

*sigh*
That has to be a joke, right? Nobody could really give a rat's ass what the tarp looks like. Seriously.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 85

OK, I'll admit it, the crack about the Unification Church was a joke, but come on...white?

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 86

"Twins extend arbitration to Pavano" Click name for link

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 87

Seriously luke, it's going to be covered by a bunch of white shit anyway....who cares??????????????????

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 11:25 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 88

In regards to comment #51 tth, I will, I'll even get you a Surly! Something tells me you're less of an objectionable ass in person.

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 11:45 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 89

Truth, I'm finally starting to agree with the things you're saying, or maybe it's just that you're finally starting to say some agreeable things...

In any case, I too would like to see Ron Darling get hit by something. Like a pink slip...

Posted on December 1, 2009 at 11:49 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 90

Can you feel the love tonight??? TTH = less of a dbag

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 05:55 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 91

Re: the tarp

Good lord you people will find just about anything to bitch about. Also, FYI, that's not "THE" tarp the team will use in the regular season. As an example, click my name and check out the archived Washington Nationals construction camera (go abck to about January 2008) and they have the same white tarp over the whole field! But have none of you ever watched a game where there was a rain delay? The tarps used for delays cover only the infield, and cover the dirt (which is more importaint than covering the grass in rain)! Good gravy!

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 09:32 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 92

The only people who will ever know about the field tarp in the first place (let alone its color) are the few dozen or so of us who frequent the webcam. As long as the grass is green in April, it doesn't matter what color the tarp is.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 09:43 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 93

Goober - cool link; going back in that calendar gives you an idea of how rushed that stadium was. They didn't install the sod until early Nov, and the topsoil wasn't completely in when they started sodding. DiVito must have been sh#&ing bricks.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 94

They just painted new lines on top of B ramp. Is that going to be normal parking again? They shot down any and all ideas for the roof? Seems like a good place to drub up some more money with a sponsorship gimmick of some sort. Am I crazy?

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM by Nick in CO Highlight this comment 95

The roof of the B ramp is an interesting subject. When I asked DSP about it awhile back, he said that the Twins are keen to control what happens up there, but at that time they hadn't made such arrangements.

I don't know what has happened since then -- legally, that is. Some of the ideas being thrown around were a Kid Zone, a restaurant, or even another bunch of seating.

This was before they had settled on the Budweiser deck, so they may not have any of these things on the radar anymore. But it remains a very big opportunity for later.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 12:38 PM by Rick 96

So I just went over to take photos and videos of the wind veil. While I was up in the skyway, I noticed 3 guys in suits standing by the window with planners out. I was standing right by them taking pictures and overheard their convo. One said "Well, we should definitely take him up here and show him the Plaza before he goes in for the tour." The guy next to him said something to the effect of "I agree, but when are we talking? Bill wants to spend more time with him before they head over." They started walking away as they were saying that. I don't mean to start up rumors, but who would be in town visiting that they would be talking about? Has anybody heard anything? I am eating lunch now but will post the pictures soon.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 97

Here are a couple pics of the Wind Veil.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 12:50 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 98

Really crappy video of the same veil

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 99

DVS2008 - Now you got me excited. Hopefully a FA.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 100

Rick - Just noticed this. On the website header on the picture, you have placed the Ballpark Magic Logo on one of the advertising boards next to the scoreboard. NICE TOUCH!!

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 101

Maybe they are bringing Batista back for a look at third!

Or maybe Moon Shot is coming for a tour, and they wanted to show him the plaza...you know, where his pitches will be landing.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 102

I never knew that the TARGET FIELD sign above the metro club would light up, but it does.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 103

Hey Rick,
I was looking at your old site, "Remembering Met Stadium" and I see that many of the photos of the abandoned Met were taken by Lowell Prescott. Is he your brother or your dad? And were you able to just walk in or did you have to climb?

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 6:15 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 104

Kevin az,

what are the chances i can get a pair of decent priced tickets to thie vikes game this weekend down there?

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 105

acannywaw,

Starting new conversation topics is always a good way to interact with others. Might I suggest asking about why a retractable roof wasn't added to the design plans? Or, pick a more abstract topic like asking why people think the tarp is white. If that fails, bring up 80s cartoon characters.

Posted on December 2, 2009 at 11:01 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 106

Winona Mike,

As a wise man once said, "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." (Scroll to the bottom and check out the copyright notice on this page...)

The guy who took the photos of the abandoned Met is named Robin Hanson, and he contacted me after seeing the site. He said he could pretty much just walk in, and that he wasn't the only one there checking the place out. Apparently, it was easy to do and very common.

Goo goo ga joob.

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 12:00 AM by Rick 107

You probably figured out that acannywaw is a spammer who slipped through my filtering -- first one in a long time. I wouldn't send an email to that address if I were you...

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 12:02 AM by Rick 108

maz,

your chances are close to zero unless you're willing to pay big bucks. the vikes are always a tough ticket here because of the many transplanted minnesotans, but for the first time arizonans actually give a crap about the cardinals and it's been very difficult to get seats for the good games. now when they play the rams or 49ers, people are selling tix at face value or below. for the vikes game, be prepared to spend $200 for the worst seats in the house - which aren't too bad as i've sat virtually everywhere at UPS.

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 01:49 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 109

Michael-
You are correct sir. Click my name for a few shots i took back in October when it was first lit. They are a closer from just across the plaza by the Target Center. Enjoy!

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 08:13 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 110

Murray's Steak sandwiches to be served at Target Field's Mill City Grill concessions.

Sounds very good, but I wonder what it will cost? $10?

Click link for information

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 10:15 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 111

I was wondering the same thing - If a crappy dome dog was - what $6ish? - real meat will be at least $10. :P

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 12:30 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 112

Murray's is a nice start....Now if they sell Kramarczuk sausages, then I'll be a believer!!

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 12:32 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 113

I agree with Kevin in AZ, Kramarczuk sausages are the best, and would be a great addition to the cuisine at TF!

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 114

jared - is it just me or is the "D" on target field already partially burnt-out?

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 2:03 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 115

Beta-
Haha, yep. Although, I won't say burnt out because i don't know, but not working is a just explanation even though burnt out is possible. That was the first thing my girlfriend pointed out by saying "what's the point in 'brand new' if the lights are already burned out?". She said it with such disdain and a goofy scowl, i couldn't help but laugh and tell her not everything works right the first time.

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 116

Thanks Kev,

looks like i will st be getting drunk in mesa and watching the game on tv... its 160 for a nosebleed seat so yea no thanks then parking ....

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 2:29 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 117

a part of the d was burnt out during the first few days of the light burn. it's fixed now.

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 118

I noticed in some of the photos that the seats directly in front of the skybox immediately behind home plate doesn't seem to have any of the railings that surround the seats on all the other skyboxes. Is there a reason that particular skybox is railing-free? Is it reserved for a VIP of some sort?

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 5:09 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 119

Aha! One in the same. It would have been fun - and a little sad - snooping around the old Met.

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 6:40 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 120

Aha! Posting under a nom de plume!

It would have been fun and fascinating - and a little sad - nosing around the old Met after the abandonment. I'll always remember it as it was in the late sixties.

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 6:44 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 121

maz,

parking is free at UPS if you park at the high school 1/4 mile north of the stadium. they have free valley metro busses all stacked to take you to the front door - it's awesome! the parking passes you see on ebay are the ones that season ticket holders pay for who want to park and tailgate in the lots surrounding the stadium. there's no tailgating allowed in the free park and ride lot. you may want to go there and take your chances with scalpers. many times i've missed the first 5-10 mins and the scalpers get desperate to unload their unsold tickets. if you don't mind missing the 1st quarter, you may get in for a decent price. be careful in mesa, it's third world in some parts.

Posted on December 4, 2009 at 12:14 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 122

Now that the Wild remembered how to play hockey it seems to me that there is less interest in baseball right now! I'm excited for the new guys we got. They're really providing the spark we needed. This place will get lively again when we resign Mauer of course!!!

Posted on December 4, 2009 at 12:40 AM by MattW Highlight this comment 123

Thanks agian kev,

yea my brother lives in mesa and when i walked into his apt i got the shock... i forgot AZ lets you carry firearms with no permit he had a 40 cal.. on his waist in a holster looking out the window at the crackheads! you mn transplants are crazy man!

prob skip the game and go to a sports bar save a few hundrend

Posted on December 4, 2009 at 1:23 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 124

Ballpark Authority has an updated photo set. Click my name. Its a nice update, but how many times do we need to see the same things over and over. They need to start showing us ballpark fans some of interior spaces!!!

Posted on December 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 125

i took pictures today. hoo-ray.

Posted on December 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 126

The BP Authority pics were great. For many reasons:

1) there was no infernaled snow in the pictures
2) we saw the "wind veil in action" which was neat.
3) it's just fun to look at.

Also - good news, TwinsFest information is out! Click my name for the info, if you haven't already seen it. Sounds like a wonderful time to be had by all as usual. Tickets go on sale next Tuesday. This time I'm buying them in advance...
Two highlights that I like:

•An inside look at Target Field - from the Metropolitan Club to the Budweiser Roof Deck to Hrbek's and more (not to take anything away from the last four years of hard work from Rick).
•An exhibit by Twins curator Clyde Doepner "New Beginnings: 1961 Metropolitan Stadium. . .1982 H.H.H. Metrodome. . .2010 Target Field.

Posted on December 4, 2009 at 4:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 127

maz,

if you and your brother haven't decided on where to watch the game, i recommend that you guys go to four peaks brewery. the place is owned by transplanted minnesotans and is by far the largest viking bar in the valley. it's in tempe. click on my name for their website. and if you go, try the carne adovada, it's out of this world!!!

Posted on December 4, 2009 at 10:46 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 128


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A slightly different elevation drawing, again viewed from Fifth Street, with some labels. (Click to enlarge.)



Main Concourse



Click on this photo to see what it looked like on this spot 101 years ago (I'm not kidding)






Lots of sun, but not much scoreboard from 127



More flowers, more pennants.






Replays on the out-of-town scoreboard!



This looks south and shows how the Northstar tracks are sheltered by the promenade above. This is the side which faces the HERC plant.












Click to enlarge greatly. See yourself?






At left, across the tracks by that pile of dirt is where the Northstar commuter train platform will be built, and where Twins fans will apparently NOT be able to get a train after night games. (For reference, that's the Fifth Street bridge, with the ballpark site just beyond it. The east corner of Ford Centre is just visible at the right edge of the picture.)



Look closely at the overhang. You'll see the on the right it is flush with the fence, and then it sticks out farther and farther as you move toward center. More fun for Michael Cuddyer.



Jose Alvalade XXI Stadium in Lisbon, Portugal has towers much like I'm imagining to hold up our canopy while also making a bold statement on the horizon



Walkway connection



Some people will go to work here every day.









Arrival back at Target Field






Two concepts here remain in the final design. First is the oddly-shaped pavilion in center. Second is the section just above the right field fence. In the current design this section will hang over the field by a few feet. The original doesn't do that, but you can see that the concept goes way back in the planning.



This is the actual entrance for Gate 6. Notice how close the seating will be. The back row of the lower deck will be mere inches beyond that inner support post.



The windows have started going in.






A spot that's always full!



Catwalks provide access to the View Level seats (from the Ballpark Authority July update)



Click to see the full-size image.



Circulation building with construction team on top



Most of the main concourse is filled with construction materials...









Wrigley Field. Paradise? Not from these seats.



Click to see the whole, beautiful image. (Photo by Tyler Wycoff)



Above the Carew gate



World Series trophies on display at left



To the left, out of view, was a row of guys in very nice suits. Most I did not recognize.















Grid for the ironwood louvres is in place



Look closely and you'll see limestone on the front of the press box!






This isn't a very good picture, but it is the current view of the inside of a suite.



Click to enlarge.



A little more imaginative is the circulation building for Northstar.





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BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

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Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
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Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


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