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Construction Update - May 29

May 30, 2008 1:07 AM

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Beams connecting the plaza to the Target Center walkway

With a client downtown, I always budget to spend some time at the ballpark site just to see what's going on. Every time I think I've seen it as busy as it can get, I'm surprised yet again.

Today there were teams working in more places than I could keep track of:

- Steel beams now cross 2nd Avenue to the Target Center walkway

- The promenade over the railroad tracks now comes all the way to the sidewalk

- Cement is being poured for the circulation ramps on 7th Street

- Concrete molds are being removed all along the main concourse

- Surveyors and their gear were everywhere

- Elevator shafts of concrete block are appearing

And there are always concrete pours in progress seemingly everywhere. It's quite a sight to behold.

I wondered again today if this project is anything special to the workers. They're just doing their jobs as normal, but many more people than usual are paying attention.

Special or not, I'm sure there are unusual challenges at every turn. The ballpark seems to be oozing into every nook and cranny of the site, and when it runs up against an edge, it seems to pour right over.

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Welding workers

The civic engineering in progress is no less monumental. I know that the team cares about how the ballpark will interface with the rest of the city, but at this point it seems like the ballpark is reaching out from its site, while the city isn't yet reaching in. C'mon, Minneapolis city government. Get with it.

A very interesting article appeared the other day. It should come as no surprise that the cooling of the economy has impacted additional development near the ballpark.

As with all things economy-related, patience is often a virtue. But I am always mindful that one of the biggest disappointments of the Metrodome was how it utterly failed to generate any development at all after it was completed.

Part of this was due to the poor parking in the neighborhood. An argument can be made that if they'd built a parking ramp or two (maybe right where that surface ramp is to the east) that undeveloped parcels nearby might not have remained as surface parking.

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I think this promenade over the railroad tracks needs a name. How about the Halsey Hall Promenade? (Please do not throw cigar butts onto the tracks!)

In that respect, the new ballpark sits in a much more palatable situation.

But there is still grave risk that what is now surface parking may stay as premium surface parking indefinitely if there is no incentive to convert it to something else. This would be very unfortunate for the neighborhood. It has the potential to render the ballpark as an island (which it will be, to some extent, on opening day in 2010).

It's important, when thinking about this, to separate generic "North Loop" development from development adjacent to the stadium. If they build a condo high-rise on the old Downtown Pontiac/Jaguar site, that's in the neighborhood but a helluva long way from the park.

I'm talking about the parcels of land to the north between the park and Washington Avenue, and to the south (where the Twins own development rights). I'll even throw in the HERC site, which could be ripe for redevelopment sooner than you think.

This is where the city of Minneapolis simply must become a player.

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Concrete molds are being removed!

LRT Station Issues

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Looking down Sixth Avenue toward the plaza

There was some talk about the configuration of the LRT station on the Fifth Street bridge, and the problems it poses for pedestrian traffic.

This is one of the downsides of being a transportation hub. The good probably outweighs the bad here, but the bad is certainly concerning.

Anyone who has ridden the LRT to the Metrodome knows that there are places you can stand/walk and places you cannot. They are marked, and follow some common sense rules, but crowds of people don't always look at such markings or have much interest in the rules.

Transit police are there to give, ahem, helpful guidance to those who are not paying attention (that's the nicest way I can think to say it). This leads to some clogging of the walkways, and makes pedestrians wonder why they can't just walk -- well -- right there -- where there's no train -- and no train coming -- and why the hell can't I cross there?

The LRT station over at the Railyard will be configured a bit differently, but the difference may not be an improvement. The platform will be between the tracks (like it is at the final stop at First Avenue now), meaning you will get off the train and then have to walk between the tracks to one end (Hrbek Gate 14) or the other (Carew Gate 29).

Before games, this is probably OK. But after games, it could be a nightmare.

At the Metrodome now, if I ride the train, I usually plan on spending 45 minutes or so after the game waiting for a train which isn't sardine-ish. I'm not the only one. We all sit out on the plaza and watch people and wait.

At the new park, there won't be a plaza there on that side. This means that managing the flow of people to the trains could be much more complicated.

I don't have an answer here, only an issue.

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This is the area above the pro shop, with some new support structure

More on Bench Seating

I received confirmation that there will be bench seating in the outfield. The current plan calls for 680 such seats in right, and 1283 in left. That's about 5% of the total seats in the park. More than this I do not yet know.

Comments


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Rick, I was just wondering about the collection of support pillars that is to become the pavillion in left. Is that for the administration building or the seating in left field. I am pretty sure now that it is for the admin. building and not the seating. I was confused because you called the trapazoid seating in right center a pavillion, but after looking closer, the "Home Plate 2010" sign shows that the third base line will hit the corner of the pillars where the foul pole will be. Plus from the model pictures(click name), theadministration building will be about half-way down the bridge.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 05:38 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 1

Click my name to see a recent pic from top of the Minihkada building.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 07:21 AM by Freealonzo Highlight this comment 2

Rick, I certainly agree that Minneapolis needs to do everything it can to encourage development around the ballpark, but I think the Metrodome comparison is a little off base.

For one, when the Dome was built, much of that land was already vacant thanks to the ill-conceived urban renewal demolitions - thus, it was already a parking lot. Two, those parking lots fell outside of the downtown overlay zoning district, the one that has no or greatly reduced on-site parking requirements (and thus allows the construction of high rise towers - otherwise parking ramps would be problematic). Any legal developments in the area at the time would have needed to put all their parking on site, and you'd have ended up with lots more monstrosities like the Centre Village building. Building structured parking is expensive, often prohibitively so. Three, the tax advantages and stable income stream from parking made it economical to sit on those lots.

Combine that with high development costs (due to on-site parking), and it's no wonder the development never took off.

In this case, several of those issues have already been addressed - the zoning is different here, there's going to be great mass transit access that will reduce the need for on-site parking, and you have ballpark parking demand only in one season (unlike year round at the Dome). Minneapolis ought to aggressively pursue infrastructure improvements to attract development as well as change the taxation schemes for vacant land in order to encourage development. Steve Berg wrote an excellent MinnPost piece on subsidizing parking related to both the Mall of America and Downtown Minneapolis (see link). Adopting some of those ideas will help foster development in the area. In addition to that, Minneapolis ought to make the development guidelines clear for the developers. Make doing the 'right' thing easy. This doesn't just relate to baseball, it relates to the whole transit hub this place will become.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 08:17 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 3

Alex,

I think you've expanded on my argument quite nicely. All I meant to say is that there were specific reasons why development never occurred around the Metrodome (you've listed them), and it was the city's fault. The parking moonscape around the dome could have been rectified with the proper zoning changes, but no one ever sought seriously to fix it because of the money to be made in parking.

Further, despite the differences (which are many) between the sites, several key parcels of land around the new park could suffer the same fate unless the city makes better decisions this time.

I suspect that there is potentially a lot of money to be made in keeping those surface parking lots and turning them into "premium" parking for games. That would be a travesty, but the economics might support it. (As it sits now, all the land to the south of the park will remain as surface parking until and unless the Twins decided to build something there.)

My larger point is that the city of Minneapolis is in the driver's seat here (with the economy riding shotgun).

The ballpark may be a gem, but the city is going to have to create the right setting. So far, that's not going well.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 12:28 PM by Rick 4

The solutions are simple - tax the piss out of surface parking, encourage development of the properties.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you say that it's "not going well" so far? This hasn't exactly been the most development-friendly economy for the last year or so...

Also, the land to the south presents many more development challenges than the land to the north of the park.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 1:31 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 5

Someone may have already mentioned it and I just missed it, but if you're looking at the webcam, whats going on all the way to the right on the other side of the bridge...in front of the Ford Center?? Is that construction or just a staging area?

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 3:08 PM by Excited Highlight this comment 6

I think Rick has posted a bunch of photos of the work in front of the Ford Center. It's the station platform for the Northstar Commuter Rail. Actually I just found a rendering, and if you compare it to Rick's images it looks spot on. I was down there earlier today and it looked like they were pouring concrete for the shelters. (Click my name for link)

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 3:20 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 7

My understanding of the LRT situation is there will be space for three or more three-car trains to queue up waiting for the games to end, which will be a huge improvement on the horrible wait for trains at the Dome.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 3:22 PM by nate Highlight this comment 8

One thing that Portland had done well with their light rail around sporting venues was actually add an extra track to have an extra train waiting for the game to be over.

Click my name for a Google Map of the PGE Park station. Along Yamhill Street is the eastbound trains. In the plaza in the middle (with the station ID) are two tracks for the westbound trains. I'm not sure why the didn't add two tracks for eastbound but in general there tended to be more people heading westbound after games.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 9

In this link you will see the station outside the Rose Garden/Memorial Colisseum (aka the Rose Quarter) and all the tracks to hold waiting trains for after games.

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 3:43 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 10

PGE PARK - now there is an urban ballpark!

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 11

built in 1926 PGE park is still one of my favorite parks to see a game.

it's also the place where the rightfielder once ran through the wall (see link)

Posted on May 30, 2008 at 8:28 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 12

This one may have gotten lost below at the very end of the previous thread. Or maybe no one gives a rip which is cool too! :-)
Anyways, do you think they will move over to the new ballpark the #34 gold colored seat where Kirby's "and we'll see you tomorrow night" shot landed in Game 6 of the '91 series? Would they possibly consider adding it to stands somewhere in left-center of the new park? Who wouldn't want to sit in that seat whenever possible?! Especially in the new place. Would be great if they did. Maybe they will place it in the Twins Hall of Fame area instead for preservation purposes. Just a thought for your great minds to ponder. Let me know what you think.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 12:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 13

I understand your point Betaband. And I really love tying Twins history into the new park. I'm not sure how meaningful or appropriate Kirby's chair would be in the left field grandstand at the new park, afterall, Kirby did not hit the homer there. This is the same reason they didn't move Killebrew's seat to the Dome - it wasn't done there. I think they should have the seat in a Twins Hall of Fame somewhere located inside the ballpark, along with the WS trophies and other historical achievements.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 2:25 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 14

Agreed, Kevin. I think they should preserve the seat in a Hall of Fame.

Rick, do you know if the Twins have plans to build a "Hall" in the new park? It would be really cool to have an area that people could visit on ballpark tours and see unique and historical pieces from the Twins' past. Several teams have them... I think it adds to the magic and mystique of the park.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 2:35 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 15

I like the trapezoid like seating in right-center, is there anything like that in another ballpark?
Betaband, I think they should preserve the seat in a Twins hall of fame plus I don't think there will be any seats in left-center (the bullpen) where it landed.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 6:55 PM by bmd Highlight this comment 16

the triumphs over seemingly huge obstacles to this point ought to offer hope that the twins/minneapolis will collaboratively solve the remaining (but very important) issue: neighborhood development. so far, so good, but I just hope someone goes to the mat on the neighborhood planning.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 9:54 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 17

I am sure there will be a Hall of Fame in the new park. I also read that because I was wondering where it was going to be in the new park. I can't remember where I read it though...It was a about a year ago.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 10:29 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 18

Interest story!

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 10:35 PM by Vundiliver Highlight this comment 19

Here is a quote from ballparks.com: "The new ballpark also features a Minnesota Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, a retail store, a baseball-themed Sports Bar and Restaurant, an interactive area for kids and additional venues for group ticket buyers." So that is where I read it! The full page is linked to my name.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 10:42 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 20

The gold chair should be in this "Hall of Fame" museum in my opinion.

Posted on May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 21

Rick, I'm so thrilled to find this sight. I'm a new stadium geek. I check in every day like clock work to see the progress. I love your pictures.
Are bench seats all that bad? As long as the benches have a back rest. I see no porblems.

Posted on June 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 22

I would love to see the Kirby chair somewhere in the new park I never new it existed until I attended Kirby’s memorial at the dome after he passed and I sat next to it and it stood out (along with the tv crews pointed at it) I think they should also yank that killebrew chair down and bring it to the new park also so people who really care about it can see it. What do you thinks about the killer chair?

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 08:00 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 23

The Kirby Chair should definitely be incorporated into the new park somehow, but as a museum piece, rather than an actual seat. Trying to use it as an actual seat makes no sense, since that home run was not hit in this park, nor could you locate the chair in the exact same spot.

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 09:53 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 24

Where's that new webcam that Dave St. P promised us?? The cams for the gopher stadium are real-time so you can watch the thing get put together live. We need a couple of those.

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 25

I haven't seen this by anyone here yet. More great pics...check on my name. MN Ballpark Authority released these.

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 12:06 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 26

I would imagine that the Twins will add the second webcam somewhere on the grandstand behind homeplate when construction is further along. At least that's what the Nationals did.

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 12:44 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 27

I thought it was earlier confirmed that the 2nd camera would be located atop the Ford Center in LF.

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 1:31 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 28

Awesome pics Locker, I have never seen them here either. I think that the Killer's seat should also be in the Minnesota Baseball Hall of Fame Museum, as well as the wooden home plate base at the Mall of America, but I also think there should be a replica put back in their place at MOA as a marker and memorial for the Met, both for home plate and the red chair.

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 1:36 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 29

The Twins long ago announced that there would be a museum of sorts somewhere in the park. The history of the team will also be on display out on the plaza (along one edge of the little triangle of grass which will run parallel to 7th Street).

As for the Kirby gold seat, it would be nice to see it moved to the new park, but it's hard to imagine it going into the seating bowl out in left. For one thing, as mentioned above, I think the bullpens are about where the seat should go if you want to try and match the location.

Keep in mind that Kirby's shot actually hit a blue seat (more specifically, a guy sitting in a blue seat). I don't know what happened to that (when it was replaced by the gold one), but the original Metrodome-blue seat might make a nicer memorial than the gold seat.

The so-called "Killebrew chair" at the Mall of America is NOT the actual seat hit by Killebrew's massive homer. It's just a seat from elsewhere in the Met (probably the main grandstand) placed in the approximate location where the hit landed. (It was all bench seating out in that left field pavilion -- no armrests.)

For that reason, it should probably stay right where it is. If you've been out to the Mall recently, you may have noticed that they installed a new roller coaster and reconfigured the area around where the home plate marker is. I can't say for sure, but I'd swear they actually moved the marker a few feet to the north. It used to be kind of hidden, now it's right in the middle of a walkway, and looks like it had new cement poured around it...

Of course, it would be nice to find some old seats from Met Stadium and install them somewhere in the new park (a la Midway Stadium). Seems like somebody is always selling a set from their garage on EBay... (Click my name for a look at how most people acquired those souvenirs.)

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 2:02 PM by Rick 30

Maybe we could find the guy that Kirby's ball hit and put him in the museum...

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 31

I have a couple dozen seats from the Met in my garage. I have restored 4 and are a fixture in my living room. Those wooden seats are so comfortable, something we'll never experience again in this new world of plastic seats - yuck!

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 7:04 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 32

Who chairs?

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 7:30 PM by Guy Highlight this comment 33

I found a site that talks about the gold seat. The problem is I have never seen it at the dome before and I have been to a ton of games. Is the chair still in left field? see link

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 9:05 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 34

Who gives a seat?

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 9:22 PM by Guy Highlight this comment 35

guy, you're acting like a son of a bench

Posted on June 2, 2008 at 10:05 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 36

MOJO, thanks for the link.

After looking at it from those pictures, I think they not only need to bring the gold seat over somehow, but bring a few seats - like a good portion of that row. The gold seat in and of itself doesn't mean as much if it's not contrasted against that sea of blue.

I would think there could be a cool opportunity to do a Twins exhibit in a concourse where they recreate a few rows of the Dome, put up some old school plexiglass, and have a little multi-media display. If they have a little mini-theater with a Twins history video, for example, why not use old Dome seats to do it? Of course, this would have to be added later, as the Vikings will still want those seats for the time being, but it's an idea that should stick around.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 08:33 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 37

Don't you guys think the seat from the dome would clash with the bench style seats in the outfield?

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 38

I would love to join this conversation about the museum vs. chair dilemma, but I just want to see more pics of the construction process. Rick, Is their anyway that you could post a pic of the day on this site? I also want the Twins to release the (most updated) picture that is in the Target Center Skyway of the new stadium. I bet the Twins could sell thousands of prints of the that in the Twins Pro-shops around the cities. Does anyone know of link to the pic I'm talking about? Hope the rain stops today so I can see faster progress on everything. I also want to see more pics (links) to what the interior will look like. Yankee Stadium has many pics of what the interior will look like there. Here's hoping more pics come out soon.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 12:05 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 39

Locker,
I share your desire from the Twins for more pictures. They haven't released renderings on their website April of last year. I know there have been tweeks made here and there and it would be nice to see those reflected on new artist renderings. Most definitely the Twins have failed miserably in showing any pictures of the interior. The one that folks posted here a few months ago was actually from the ballpark proposal which had a roof and was either going to be located in Mpls or 3 sites in St. Paul. That was a conceptual rendering and not based on any concrete plan. I would really like to see them release something new as we still have nearly 2 years until the park opens.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 1:05 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 40

This is a great point. All the renderings that reflect the actual stadium design are of the outside of the park. Those pictures and the model don't give us a very good idea what it will be like to walk down the main concourse. I'll try to take some photos tonight and send them to Rick, although not sure how they will turn out if it's still raining.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 41

I agree completely regarding the renderings...and like I have long been saying, where are the "night time" renderings? Can we have at least one night game rendering that shows the halo lights and the scoreboard with the green grass and night sky along with the skyline at night?

As most of you have said, it would be nice to see a perspective of the interior concourse as well.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 3:03 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 42

Does anyone think we should get new uniforms for 2010? I just found this link (click name) that they might be working on it. Personally I hope they change the current script and have just the TC caps.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 3:48 PM by bmd Highlight this comment 43

Locker, Are you talking about this pic from the skyway (click name)? If so, the only other place I've seen it was on Rick's "Ballparkus Tourus Interruprus" page below. I agree that we need to see some concourse renderings, and the nightime ones too are gonna look awesome.
I just wish they would implode the shitstack (Multifoods) so we could see the prettiest skyline in MLB, I guess we'll have to wait for a blimp shot to see the whole thing! I can't wait to see the views from the LF upper deck.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 4:01 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 44

I don't wanna be a scrooge, but I think that the uniforms' numbers are too pointy, and the hats should be all blue with the the TC logo, not red bills. I don't like how they are making the "away" ones more red than dark blue either.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 4:19 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 45

It shouldn't be a surprise one bit if the Twins go with a redesign of their uniforms come 2009 or 2010. Several teams (Brewers, Padres, Astros, Indians, Rangers, White Sox, Giants to name a few) all tweaked or re-designed their logo/uniforms prior to opening new ballparks.

Also, the Twins came out with the current design in 1987, so that is well over 20 years old and time for a change.

I love the 1960's style uniforms from the great outdoors during the Killebew, Oliva, Kaat, Allison days that featured the retro "Twins" script on the front along with the pinstripes and blue numbers on the back of the jersey with NO names. Get rid of the names on the back of the home jerseys! (Just like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs)

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 46

bmd thanks for that link. i have to say i don't mind the look of those, kinda sharp uniforms. and they are incorporating the traditional twins scrip across the front. too much red, though and they'll basically be the cincinnati reds. i hope they make the TC logo permanent for both home and away. the cut sleeve shirts they presently wear occasionally are also sharp. so hopefullly they will keep that look for some games.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 7:25 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 47

Yeah I agree with you Tim the Twins need to make the TC logo permanent also the road uniforms have to say Minnesota on them.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 9:35 PM by Jason Highlight this comment 48

YUCK! keep the current unis! The Road Unis HAVE to say MINNESOTA! The red hats were always hideous, why go back to them?

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 10:25 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 49

May'be use the alternate ones with the "TC" on froont, but keep the reguallr home and away ones. I suspiciously believe that that it wasn't a coincidence that we won the Series the exact year we changed the current Unis. Also, ditch the pinstripes? Are you nuts?

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 10:33 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 50

Ditch the pinstripes? ABSOLUTELY.

And get rid of the names on the back of the home unis...

The Pohlads are too opportunistic not to change up the uniforms. It will be a cash cow for the team, and the Twins will have their own on-site pro shop to sell them out of.

I work for a company that provides MLB teams with on-field apparel...and I can tell you from experience that new ballparks almost always mean new logos/unis. The sales of on field caps and jerseys more than double for 2+ years after a new park opens...

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 11:42 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 51

jason & ctm - please tell me why the road jerseys have to say minnesota on them? imo they should say either "minneapolis", "twins" or "thank you taxpayers of minneapolis/hennepin county". it would only be right!

;-)

and yes, tc logo on the cap should be the standard for both home & away caps.

Posted on June 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 52

They say Minnesota because they're the MINNESOTA Twins. Growing up "Up North," it was nice that in our state, everyone was included. That, and the history: the Twins were the first team in all of pro sports named after an entire state. You have to admit, "Twin City Twins" sounds kinda minor league. Quad City River Bandits?
Personally, I've never minded the M logo on the hats - especially on the away hats - likely because I grew up with them. M for Minnesota, matching the wording - simple.
Oh yeah, I voted FOR the Twins stadium in St Paul in 1999, so at least I tried. I've always thought that if the vote would have been delayed until AFTER the Wild had played a season or two, the result would have been different. That said, I really like the new stadium and its location, So it all worked out in the end.

Posted on June 4, 2008 at 08:31 AM by Dodgeboy Highlight this comment 53

The person who has the most influence on the look of the new uniforms (Other than Mr. Pohlad) would be Matt Hoy - Vice President of Operations.

Send him an email and let him know what you think! (Click on my link)

Posted on June 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM by WIN TWINS! Highlight this comment 54

Tom,
Thanks for the link again. I love that pic. The Twins could sell a thousand of those in print form at the pro-shops. 16X20

Posted on June 4, 2008 at 11:44 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 55

A quote from betaband "just a thought for your great minds to ponder" who do you guys think will throw out the first pitch on opening day 2010? Pawlenty? I dunno.

Posted on June 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM by bmd Highlight this comment 56

I think one of the following: Jim Kaat, Rod Carew, Harmen Killebrew or Jack Morris.

And my dark horse pick.....Adrian Peterson.....just kidding.....but that would be pretty cool.....at least in my mind it would be. I know he has nothing to do with baseball, but I digress sometimes!

Posted on June 4, 2008 at 11:43 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 57

The most deserving one to throw out the first pitch is the man that saved baseball in Minnesota...No Not smilin' Carl. Judge Harry Crump!!!!

If not Crump, the next most deserving is Jerry Bell - he battled for 10 years at the capitol to get this done. That kind of work can make a man bitter, but not Jerry. If any of you have had the pleasure like I have to meet and know Jerry, he's the nicest man you'll ever meet. Don't throw your shoulder out Jerry!!!

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 12:10 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 58

I was thinking the same thing yesterday, and I thought of Jim Kaat, Rod Carew,Harmon Killebrew, Dan Gladden, and Kent Hrbek. I also think it would be appropriate for Kirby Jr. to throw out the first pitch. Why not all of them?

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 01:25 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 59

Tony Oliva is a name I forgot too.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 01:26 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 60

Id say peterson is a legit pick because even though he has nothing to do with baseball he is the new face of sports in the twin cities. Purple Jesus

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 09:05 AM by Jason Highlight this comment 61

You are such a fraud. A year ago I posted a comment (suprisingly one you let through) that touched on the declining popularity of Baseball. You proceeded to throw up a bunch of meaningless attendance stats that I proved didn't even keep up with population growth. Now its been announced that, through a quarter of the season (hardly a small sample) attendance has fallen a full 10%! Of course its the economy and as in ALL difficult economic times, people do away will all that is unneccessary. Case closed. And, I don't expect you to post this; just go away with the rest of the "fans."

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 09:14 AM by STM Highlight this comment 62

Who is a fraud? You are a spaz. A quarter season of one baseball team is not a significant sample size. It also doesn't take into account many other factors besides the economy. In the case of the Twins, there was a Strib article within the last week where respondents were split between the economy and not wanting to sit in the dome on a nice day for reasons for the low attendance.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 09:30 AM by Guy Highlight this comment 63

That was pretty random, STM. Where the heck did that tirade come from, left field?

If you are forecasting attendance problems for the new ballpark I don't think you have anything to worry about. I anticipate this mother selling out for several years a la The Jake in Cleveland. If you build it, they will come...

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 64

STM - aka WTF

Click on my name for a reality check.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 65

I've read that attendance is (apparently) measurably down. It's not a sampling blip.

But it has two names: Torii Hunter and Johan Santana.

When you lose a marquis center fielder and the best pitcher in baseball, both of whom were beloved faces of the franchise for a long time, people need to be wooed back.

When seven of your ten starters on opening day weren't with the team when last they played, the base of casual fans will just shrug for at least half a season (unless they win seven out of every ten games).

I fully expected the Twins to roll out another "Get To Know 'Em" campaign. I still can't keep Everett/Harris/Lamb/Tolbert straight. (But I can still spell Mientkiewicz.)

Last summer I played a fun game with my then-two-year-old son where I named a position and he named the player. This year, even I can't fill in all those blanks. I mean, who the hell is our starting shortstop? Brendan Harris? REALLY?!?

Don't get me wrong. The Twins are trying to make the best of a bad situation. But it's only natural that attendance will suffer -- especially when you throw in some economic tightness.

These things are cyclical, and by opening day 2010 it could be a whole different story. Let's hope it is.

Finally...

I think STM may be mixing up this site with another. I checked the archives and found no comment matching the one he mentioned.

Further, though I have sometimes moderated comments (holding them until I could read them), I don't think I've ever had to delete one.

STM, you're welcome here, of course. But you'll have to pay attention.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 11:12 AM by Rick 66

STM,
I'm afraid you're fighting a severily uphill battle with your analogies on this blog site. Taking on us "crazy stadium site fans" is like blowing smoke in the wind when you are ripping any aspect of baseball. Unless of course you are like me and are laughing your ass off at the uproar you have got us all in. Probably not though, you seem like a real idiot. BTW, I hope you live in Hennepin Cty. :-)

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 67

just ignore and troll will fade away as troll has done in the past. the stadiums being built with the help of troll's tax dollars and i'm enjoying every minute of it. troll still cannot process that the ballpark plan was conceived and successfully navigated through numerous roadblocks to become reality. there is another website troll liked to inhabit back in the ballpark debate days. troll made bigoted comments on that blog. that's all you need to know about troll. nothing to see here....

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 68

Does anyone know what those yellow things on the pedestrian plaza are?

Thanks!!!

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 69

A friend and I were just debating that this morning. They look like phonebooths for Joe Nathan to change in on his way in from the bullpen.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 1:24 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 70

I saw them on the webcam and walked by around lunchtime to check them out. I think they are supports to build the cantilevered portion of the building on the pedestrian plaza. They look like sections of crane or scaffolding. I kind of like the phonebooth theory myself. They were doing a lot of concrete pouring, both along the 3rd base line and the bases for the northstar commuter lightposts.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 1:52 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 71

As far as the new uniforms go, I did send an email to Matt Hoy VP, and I also attached the picdtures of the 3 uniform designs. Here is what he had to say in his reply:
Tom,

I am a little confused as the attached files are not accurate representations of any of our current or contemplated uniforms…

matt

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 5:34 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 72

mplsgreg is most definately correct. Those yellow supports will be temporary shoring for the cant.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 7:57 PM by Inside Man Highlight this comment 73

Thanks mplsgreg & Inside Man. It's too bad HoK/Mortensen aren't constructing a more cantileverd upper deck like Dodger Stadium or RFK.

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 8:36 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 74

I wonder if the lack of cantilevering upper decks is related to the modern trend open concourses? After all, what's the point of open views, if all you can see is the underside of the deck above?
I'm not sure if those things are actually related, or if it's just coincidence that cantilevers went away at the same time that concourses started being open to the playing field.
I really do like the open concourses, and they have a financial benefit - you can sell "standing room" or "chair rail" tickets, effectively increasing capacity

Posted on June 5, 2008 at 9:24 PM by Dodgeboy Highlight this comment 75


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8:22 PM The sun has caused glare in the webcam, but you can still see the reflection affecting the upper deck behind home plate.












View from the batter's eye seats



Banners on the parking ramp are a great touch. They help manage scale and turn a lemon into lemonade. On my way there today I passed the WCCO building and remembered how the Twins schedule used to be painted in giant form on the side of that building (which is no longer visible). Wouldn't that be a great thing to resurrect on the side of that ramp? A giant Twins schedule. I always thought that was cool.



Concept drawing for the fan/player appreciation wall. (Click to enlarge.)









Detail of the train tunnels (click to view the entire drawing)



This is what it looked like during the first open house in March.






This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of Seventh Street (looking west away from downtown). It's inviting, not imposing, and remarkably dignified.






Concept drawing for the fan/player appreciation wall. (Click to enlarge.)






Harmon Killebrew






Lots of speakers, but in some places, no sound.









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Mound from the other side



The moat walkway viewed from across the park.






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An overview of the model display.



Also warming things up are these planters.






We'll be packed into the first five rows of section 136. Hey, Wilson! I'm bringing my glove!



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