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April 15, 2008 7:35 PM

Curse Reversed

So, just who are you cursing if you take the jersey of your favorite player and bury it deep in the cement of his arch rival's new ballpark?

It seems to me that if you wanted to curse Big Papi, there is no more effective voodoo. Could it be coincidence that he finally showed signs of snapping out of his deep funk on the day his jersey was freed from the New York cement?

But there are so many more questions. Who talked and why? Could a Boston fan's biggest dream really be not a permanent curse on the new place, but a frantic jackhammer search for the offending article. I mean, it probably wasn't cheap to find and remove said article.

Do you suppose that Mister Red Sox Fan got the thing buried and then realized that it wasn't enough fun just to know it was there, but that watching the search (and vast media coverage) would be way more fun?

As it applies to our own new cement, what could someone possibly bury in there that might actually curse the Twins? I can't think of a single thing.

So instead, what could be buried as a good luck charm?


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Posted on April 15, 2008 at 8:56 PM by haasertime Highlight this comment 1

gotta go with the homer hanky, don't ya?

something related to '87 and '91, at least

Posted on April 15, 2008 at 11:16 PM by Don T Highlight this comment 2

There's still plenty of time to bury Bud Selig somewhere out in the left field plaza...

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 12:05 AM by The Crippler Highlight this comment 3

er, right field plaza that is. Oops!

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 12:10 AM by The Crippler Highlight this comment 4

A little off-topic here but I went down and walked around the construction site yesterday for the first time, boy is that something to see. You get a sense of exactly how ambitious and how cool this is going to be when it's done... Sorry about the thread jack, back to curses ...

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 06:52 AM by Derek Highlight this comment 5

Herb Carneal. He would have wanted it that way.

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 07:15 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 6

How about Shane's Greet Machine?

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 07:22 AM by Freealonzo Highlight this comment 7

joe niekro's nailfile

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 08:18 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 8

They need to transplant Kirby's grave to center field of the new park. He forever belongs in the Twins center field. If Hoffa can be buried at the Meadowlands, Kirby can be buried at LOL Field.

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 9

And if Kirby is unavailable, they should bury Ron Davis underneath one of the toilets.

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 10

Do you have any new pictures that you've taken? We see a few on Minnescraper, but haven't seen any on this site in at least a month or two.

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 12:50 PM by ML Highlight this comment 11

Click link to see a pic of New Yankee Stadium. Our split upper deck will look somewhat similar to this in about a year.

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 12

i can't believe that stadium costs 1.4 billion dollars...

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 3:07 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 13

Keep in mind that nothing gets done in New York when it comes to construction or concrete without greasing every palm in the five buroughs. The graft and corruption must be factored into the cost of any new construction in that city.

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 4:18 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 14

The yankees new clubhouse is going to be huge, from what i've read about it various yankee blogs. Opulence costs money and that new stadium is going to be the cathedral of parks befitting the cadillac of sports franchises.

If you're looking for places you can find pics of the twins park progress just do a google image search. There are a couple of people out there visiting the site regularly documenting the construction.

Posted on April 16, 2008 at 7:28 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 15

How about Juan Berenger? (click my name)

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 02:02 AM by Rick 16

Tim, you say you'll find new pictures doing a google image search. What keywords are you using? There isn't anything new that I've seen on the first 2-3 pages using a combination of the keywords twins, ballpark, stadium, construction, and new. Thanks.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 02:21 AM by ML Highlight this comment 17

I have a bunch of photos but no time to edit them (house full of flu). If you can hold out, I'll get new images posted on the weekend.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 02:24 AM by Rick 18

More beams going up on the plaza today!

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 04:25 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 19

Click link to check out blueprints of Citi Field.

You'll notice how much more space they had to work with compared to the Rapid Park site. I think a symmetrical outifeld at Citi Field would look better, but they probably didn't want to remind people of Shea.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 11:18 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 20

Here is the correct link.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 11:41 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 21

Also notice how close the seats are to the foul lines as well as the angle of the fence in foul territory. Perfectly shaped seating bowl if you ask me.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 12:38 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 22

is there or is there not going to be a tailgate area.. i dont think there will be and if there is it will prob cost 100.00 per game to park there ... i love the new ball park but i think they are leaving out some major stuff

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 12:55 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 23

No room for tailgating. What exactly do you think the Twins are leaving out?

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 24

Thanks Rick!

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 1:54 PM by ML Highlight this comment 25

Not a ton of tailgating space right next to the park...That aside I'd be willing to bet there's going to be a lot more of a "neighborhood feel" in the North Loop compared to the Dome. I should mention that there are a few large lots in the North Loop (i.e. next to Bunkers) to park and grill out.

Heck, I'll be grilling on my deck 3 blocks away!

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 2:29 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 26

Jeff, I'm jealous.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 27

well, i have a problem with the whole location... i like how miller park is set up or kaufman.. a sea of bbq's kids playing catch a more family and party vibe @ the same time... like they used to have at the met... i grew up in the north mpls projects (sumner-olsen) and that is basiclly were the stadium is being bulit... not a good location... i guess basiclly there is going to be alot of problems with crime and stuff... they tore down the projects but the area really has not for what they are going to leave out??? to me tailgating and parking will be my biggest beef.. i dont like retractable roofs cuz just like most of you i have been going to miller park for the weekend every year since it opened and as we all know unless it is 75 degrees and sunny the roof is closed... but i do love the tgi fridays there.. and the fact you can get a beer for under 7 bucks... i think there should be more affordable club/sports bar here too.. not just for rich season tickets holders... but yea... im a tialgate feind..... and they do it big in mill town

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 4:11 PM by rick Highlight this comment 28

Honestly I'm not a huge fan of tailgating and I have noticed that it is much more of a midwest thing than nationwide. In many ballpark areas people go to the bars/restaurants around the ballpark because they take mass transit to the games. People here expect that they should be able to drive and park anywhere they want to go. That really loses the community feel.

Ballparks like Kauffman and Miller are nice and parking is great, but there is nothing around. I couldn't believe how desolate the area around Miller was last year when I went there. I felt like I was in the middle of a bad part of town.

I also attended a game at Petco last year and that is a great downtown ballpark. Though people didn't tailgate (I'm not sure how much tailgating makes sense for baseball but I can understand some football) they visited all the local businesses pumping money back into the community that surrounds the ballpark thus making it a nicer area.

There is plenty of parking in downtown Minneapolis for games (currently more than for the dome if I remember correctly) so that shouldn't be an issue.

My things I need for ballparks:
No Roof
Mass Transit
Quirky Dimensions

That's check, check, check & check for the new ballpark. I have no complaints.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 29

maybe it is a midwest thing... i like it cuz after i spend 60 bucks @ a game for parking and 2 tickets i dont have to spend tons of more dough on over priced food and drinks.. yes it will benifit the bars around the new ball park and im happy for that.. but those bars are already thriving as it is and we are in the mid west so tail gating makes perfect sense to me ... more than the type of granite for the outside wall just cuz its from saint cloud or wereever its from... and next time you are in milwakee go to kellys bleachers on blue mound.. its a sportsbar/ night club and its packed with brewer and twins fans after the game.. its within walking distance from the parking lot of miller park... i just came back from KC this weekend and about 3 miles away is a dive bar called the tool shed, the people were the most freindly o have ever met... oh and mass transit is great in chi, nyc, boston.. i live in east saint paul.. light rail is nowhere to be found... and a 4 hour bus ride does not work for me... i guess im saying we all dont have the same ways to get to games as others...

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 4:47 PM by RICK Highlight this comment 30

oh.. apologize for the spelling... lol

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM by rick Highlight this comment 31

Please don't put a TGI Fridays, Applebees, Chili's, or any other crappy chain restaurant in the new ballpark. Support the local Minnesota restaurants.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 32

Tailgating is a big subject. I have inquired about plans for the tops of the city parking ramps, but I don't think anything is resolved there. I bet there would be some serious liability issues...

There is a lot of parking under the freeway on the other side of Ford Centre. It might not be the ideal tailgating area, but where there's a will...

I remain concerned about the proximity of restaurants and bars. In one sense this works well for the team, because the restaurants built into the ballpark have a bit less competition. But the flipside is that the street life will suffer. When you have to walk a couple of blocks to get to anything else, it dilutes the vibrancy of the crowd. People may have a tendency to arrive late and head for their cars in the ninth.

What with all the talk about Sharing and Caring Hands, the question of the neighborhood of the ballpark is also a pretty big one. This is one area in which the city really must step forward. Unfortunately, if their first foray is any indication (the ill-fated attempt to oust Mary Jo Copeland), the city may not have the finesse for the task. It wouldn't be the first time.

I have mixed feelings about Mary Jo's place. It's too big a subject for the comments...

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM by Rick 33

Petco does have a great "urban neighborhood" vibe to it - much like San Francisco. Lots of fun restaurants, bars, shops, etc. But none of that existed until they built the both cities! That being said, I think developers and potential entrepreneurs will look favorably on the ballpark area to start a new business.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 34

Tailgating, much like the wave, belongs at football games. Baseball is an urban game. Hit up a bistro or stop by a deli on your way to the ballgame. I honestly don't remember too much tailgating at the Met for Twins games. There was some here and there, but not cultish like Milwaukee. Vikings and Kicks games were another story. The Vikings fans made tailgating an artform back then. As for the Kicks, Christ, half of the children born in the Twin Cities during the mid-late 70's were conceived in that parking lot before Kicks games.

I hope they find a way to have tailgating for the Vikings at their new joint - if they ever get one. To me tailgating has always been more of a football thing. I think the younger generations in MN connect it with baseball purely due to their trips to Milwaukee. Those people were born with sausages and beer in their hands.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 7:22 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 35


Maybe Mary Jo will let Twins fans use her property for tailgating if we promise to feed the homeless folks too???

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 7:36 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 36

Not true, the Gaslamp Quarter in San Diego has been around since the late 1800's and was redeveloped in the early 80's. Petco Park has helped the Gaslamp Quarter, but it isn't responsible for the revitalization of the neighborhood.

And in San Francisco there's only a couple of bars/restaurants in the China Basin area. The public transportation by Mays Field is very good though.

Ballparks don't always bring development to an area. For every Camden Yards, there is the Ballpark in Arlington that has promised redevelopment for years now but nothing has happened.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 7:36 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 37

Sidenote....Click on my name to see the proposed NFL stadium in LA. How ironic, it has PURPLE SEATS!!!!!!! Someone send a picture to T-Paw!

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 7:53 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 38

I agree with you Kevin in AZ...Baseball is definitely an urban game and its meant to be played in urban areas and local neighborhood ballparks. You look at the best ballparks in baseball and they are all urban ballparks fit into small and unique areas. (PNC Park, AT&T Park, Fenway Park, Wrigley Field)

The Twins new ballpark is going to have that urban and neighborhood feel to it. That is what makes the local development around the ballpark very key as there will be (hopefully) many bars/restaurants/shops for the patrons to stop at. Public transportation (metro transit, light rail line, north star commuter line)is also going to be unique with this ballpark along with the bike trail and pedestrian plaza.

Tailgating is for football...I realize Milwaukee and Kansas City may be exceptions to this.

Posted on April 17, 2008 at 8:38 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 39

I was listening to a KC game in my car(Kansas City broadcasters) a series before the Twins came to town. They said that they have a good time when the Twins come there because they are some of the only MLB fans who come in and tailgate. So, I don't think that they do as much. Maybe the Twins fans bring the tailgating to KC. I know tailgating is popular in Milwaukee, though.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 03:36 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 40

Wowsers i did not mean to start all this over tailgating... my poin tis i like alot of fans cant afford to go to a "bistro" when i go to 3 games a week... i make what is probably considered poverty level salery in the baseball fans circle..(about 33k) but i still love my team , my state and spend alot of that at the ball park...mary jo has been around for years and she has done a ton of good so i dont see the city being able to kick her out unless they pay for a everything.. a new location, %100 move expenses.. it would just be a total PR nightmare...with that being said im sad to sad, she has to go if this stadium is going to be sucsessfull for the long term.. tons and tons of rift raft hang out out side the blgd.. lots of drugs and what not.. when i was a kid she used to give my family thanksgiving turkeys and christmas presents so i have a place in my heart for her and what she does but agree her operation has to be moved and the city will have to foo tthe bill 100% if that is going to be done people already hate us for getting our new stadium i think they will riot if they kick her out ...and by the way a bristo cant give me that bbq brat that i can hook up on a 10 buck weber in a parking lot... its all part of the fun.. its being involved in somthing that you have your hand in... so i would settle for the top of that ramp by target center as long and there is somthing within eye shot of the stadium.. and by the way i am soooo excited about the ball park dont take my comments the wrong way i will be there on opening day and i hope it is 33 degrees... cuz i love it, thats minnesota...and yea the resturant /bar i was using tgif as a example.. maybe more like a famous daves or a majors... but not what you are thinking like a damico and sons or a capiral grill lol... anyway no matter what it will be awsome and im excited but also rememebr not only are we paying for this thing now.. but ticket prices and food and bev will go way up.. so i think we should have a say.. and thank you rick for having this spot for us to talk about it

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 08:11 AM by rick Highlight this comment 41

sorry for the poor grammer, lol i have never blogged or left comments b4... i am new to this

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 08:15 AM by rick Highlight this comment 42

Who is this Mary Jo person?

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 08:46 AM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 43

Looks like there is going to be some money for the neighborhood... (click on MPLS for link) a nice start but 1M is a drop in the bucket for public space improvements, especially when they had originally budgeted 12M. Does anyone have news of the efforts of the North Loop Association to raise some money?

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:06 AM by MPLS Highlight this comment 44

Mary jo started basiclly a soup kitchen about 30 years ago that has evolved into a homless shelter, free lunch / dinners for poor and help with all kinds of bills and stuff for the needy.. and as far as i know she has done it all with private money.. she owns the blgd across from the new ball park named "caring and sharing hands" and also a huge homless shelter a block behind that called "harbor lights" its good but she is grossly taken advantage of by some people who dont want to work and just want to do drugs and sell drugs to the people she is helping...she wanted to move her location or atleast expand i think in eagen a few years ago but that city voted no way.. even though she pays for everything herself.. thats why i think this is going to be a tuff one...she does not rely on any tax payer money for what she does, and of course we do for this stadium...

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 09:22 AM by rick Highlight this comment 45

About that previous proposed move of Mary Joe's shelter to Eagan. I remember that, and I'm sure there is needy people in Eagan, but how in the world would the inner city homeless ever get to Eagan? I'm in agreement that her operation must be relocated, because of some of the people she helps, are questionable characters at best. Lots of loitering about. People from the suburbs or rural areas who don't come to the city very often would likely be very frightened and intimidated by them. And reluctant to ever return.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 1:07 PM by Johnfre Highlight this comment 46

Kevin in AZ, I was looking at that webpage for the Los Angeles Stadium. I noticed it also says that it could be ready for the 2011 season, isn't that when the Vikings lease is up at the Dome?

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 1:26 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 47

L.A. is not building the stadium until they have an agreement that a team will move there. Which as of now has not happened.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM by Kyle Highlight this comment 48

Kevin, the Kicks comments were a hoot. Guess not too many folks our age on this board?

I echo the majority sentiments on the tailgating. There's no tailgating in baseball. When I go to games in Milwaukee my brother picks up Subway on the way in. That is always an affordable option assuming they have a similar admittance policy at the new park.

Also, I hate the location in Milwaukee. Middle of nowhere. Horrible roof. Just a bad ballpark. Ballparks in the city rock.

And as far as getting there, hopefully light rail from St. Paul will not be too long coming. In the meantime I just checked and it is a one hour total trip on two buses from E. St. Paul. Not a bad deal to save the cost of parking, etc.

And trust me, when the park brings in three times the crowd of the Metrodome, lots of bars/restaurants will find a way to accommodate.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 1:50 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 49

ok well it will be fun and you guys can look around in 2010 and see that small pack of people tailgating by the new ballpark and know thats the goof who wanted to tailgate from that website !!! is there going to be any major kirby puckett memorial or a statue of him??? i know our state kinda gave him the cold sholder after that criminal case he was involved in (and aquitted)i would like so see him stand out a lil more over the park than say tony o and the killer...dont get me wrong they were great players but kirby was the face of our state for years... 2 world championships ... the only 2 besides i think the lakers here... my momma always sd to me "for us in minnesota there is prince , then kirby then mondale"

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 2:27 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 50

Just to throw in a comment about the color seats at the proposed stadium in LA, the developer is a part owner of the Sacramento Kings and the Lakers. Both teams have a shade of purple in their uniforms and color schemes. Yes, it's something intriguing, but at this moment I don't think it's something focused for the Vikes.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 3:34 PM by ML Highlight this comment 51


I would tell your mom to put Bob Dylan ahead of Prince. Hubert Humphrey ahead of Mondale and Bud Grant right after Kirby Puckett.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 8:25 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 52

Click my name for an interesting article about the current squabble between the City and Mary Jo.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 53

i am going to be as blunt as possible and not get into any emotional junk about right or wrong when it comes to this topic. i have had enough of all the recent talk from mary jo copeland and her people.

sharing & caring hands will need to be moved. they are not able to maintain proper security and monitoring of the facilities and have LONG refused to comply with city directives to do so. even well before the new twins ballpark was even going to be a reality. i am sure she has done good over the years and should be commended for it, but her operation can no longer be allowed to run there since they refuse to properly monitor & secure it. even if it is not the best PR move in the world (in some people's eyes) or otherwise.

also, i don't appreciate the way her organization is trying to make a huge fuss about nothing (launching a pre-emptive news conference and marching to city hall) and trying to pit certain political groups against minneapolis & the twins before anything has even been decided. not cool at all in my opinion.

go ahead and have at me.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 11:12 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 54

i've been holding my tongue but i agree betaband. my dad used to run the warehouse that for decades was on the site where the shelter now sits. i'm very familiar with the neighborhood. ask a cop about the place and how secure it is. but u know, if you say anything bad you're a terrible person and it's stadiums vs. the homeless, just like it was stadiums vs. kids for so many years.

she excels at playing our stupid local media, i'll give her that.

Posted on April 18, 2008 at 11:49 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 55

I don't think anyone is arguing the great things that she does for the homeless, don't worry Betaband, nobody is going to "have at" you.

I guess my question is how much of this issue is Mary Jo's responsibility and how much of it is the Minneapolis Police Dept's responsibility? If I have a drug deal going on outside my house but still on my property, I'm calling the police. If it's happening routinely, I'm expecting the police to patrol my area routinely.

Mary Jo has a private security firm and 17 CC Cameras. What more is she supposed to do to fight the crime of the area? I think the city of Mpls has a police department, does it not???

I also think that if the city is mostly looking for a solution to the crime issue, I really feel that holding the restaurant license hostage is being disingenuous.

The Twins actually have a good relationship with Sharing and Caring Hands. I read in the Strib that once the season is over, clothing, posters, etc are donated to the center by the team.

Is Mary Jo a steward for the poor, hungr and homeless? Yes
Is she a publicity whore? Probably
Can Mpls approach this issue in a differet way besides revoking her restaurant license? I think so. She has a security firm and cameras. I just can't picture Mary Jo packin heat patroling her parking lots....C'mon!!!

Posted on April 19, 2008 at 12:38 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 56

And the strip clubs what are you going to do about them. There must be a dozen or soo within walking distance of the stadium. I am sure one of them will use the stadium as an opportunity to advertise themselves catch a few people after the game. Why not if you are going to patronize places after or before a game why not them as well. I would hope not but I would not put it past them.

Posted on April 20, 2008 at 4:37 PM by Older Highlight this comment 57

Ahh the minnesota kicks I got to meet most of the team as a kid damn I am old. Tino cant spell his last name even came to my school promotional stuff. But tailgaiting oh yea the old met hmmm last time I was even around the stuff was at a vikes game. I belive the lot is now part of the gutherie theater parking. Its been so long since tailgaiting is it a vital thing I dunno. I have lived this many years without .I guess thats a thing you have to live without in a downtown ballpark. You know if it were still around lots I suppose I would miss it more I guess we will see what happens in 2010 hmmmm.

Posted on April 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM by Oldtimer Highlight this comment 58

Older... They already flyer at the dome.

I don't care if there are strip joints in a city I just don't like how tacky they look and they should have created a red light district in this city long ago. I'm tired of looking at Dreamgirls's tacky decor on 5th. Of course it kinda goes with the tacky decor of Block E and the target center but.....

Posted on April 21, 2008 at 09:25 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 59

I think the new LA stadium looks gay...Justlike a big stupid grassy hill...nothing special...

Posted on May 5, 2008 at 05:27 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 60

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