Concepts and Measurements
June 1, 2007 10:14 PM
This is the entrance behind home plate (not visible in the renderings which have been released). It shows that the upper deck is set back from the facade -- a very good thing if it remains in the final design.
The new photos I took of the site today don't show very much. There has been some digging and some hauling. Test holes have been dug to check for high levels of mercury. The sand volleyball courts are gone (but their light poles remain). It looks like parking has now been banished all the way to Fifth Street.
The dirt phase is going to last a while. Sometime in August they are supposed to start driving piles. As those piles go in, we will start to see the shape of the park. But for most of the summer, we'll be looking at not much more than dirt.
Unless, that is, you head on up to the TCF atrium (located on Marquette Avenue between Eighth and Ninth). There you will find a display of some urban planning concepts, including the original concept model for the ballpark. I'm sure that the whole display is quite interesting, but I could only find a 15-minute parking meter and had to focus my attention solely on the ballpark displays.
(An aside: Parking meters in downtown Minneapolis are very maddening. Most have either a 15-minute limit or a two-hour limit, something I simply cannot comprehend. You can't do anything in 15 minutes, and if you're going to be somewhere for two hours, you should find a parking ramp. Parking meters are for short term parking and if I ran the city every single meter in downtown would have a 30-minute limit. No exceptions. Red bags over meters would be banished, as would curb-side commercial loading zones for any building which has its own loading dock -- as almost every major building does. OK, end of mini-rant.)
Photographs of this concept model have been seen before in the Star Tribune and right here. And it does not accurately represent the design as it stands now. But it gives the general idea, and seeing it does answer some questions. Here are some photos I took in my mad dash this afternoon.
An overview of the model display.
This shows the area where the Northstar platform connects with the ballpark (that translucent oval). Above that is the area which will house the Twins operations offices.
A glimpse of the rather plain west facade (the side which faces the HERC plant).
The heretofore unseen north facade (click to enlarge). Does it look like a ballpark? And what's with the bamboo?
Included in the display is one additional rendering of the park as viewed from the north across Fifth Street. The light rail station is visible, as is some additional detail for the facade. (I suspect that this drawing was withheld because it shows Fifth Street as a one-way, which it isn't now, and apparently will not be.)
But when I look at this new drawing, it still seems to be missing some sort of signature architectural element. Is it living in the past to think that ballparks need tall light towers? If not towers for lights, they at least need something which soars up into the sky for dramatic purposes. After all, we go there to watch things fly into the sky and come down again. This building is at least in part about the sky and needs something vertical to make the connection.
Others have encouraged me to give the canopy a chance, and I will. In fact, I think it's a very cool idea, and really looks great. But it's a horizontal barrier between the park and the sky, not a connection to it. I'm not suggesting that they change it, other than to add something tall. Really tall and distinctive. And dramatic. And it doesn't have to be functional.
The glass-enclosed lobby areas (I'm not sure what else to call them) sure do look dramatic. And I didn't fully understand that they are multi-story. The one in this image is three stories tall. They will be quite impressive. They also make a clever way of connecting the ballpark to its neighborhood. Let's hope there's something interesting out there to look at.
Which brings me to another piece of non-news which hit today: The Pohlads are interested in buying Ford Centre.
I can't say this is a surprise, nor do I feel like there's anything inappropriate about it. It's an amazing building inside (except the elevators can be maddeningly slow). It seems only natural that more office space will be needed, and that's the perfect place to put it.
My guess is that the upper floors may get glimpses of the field, but probably not the whole thing. Still, a party deck on top of the building would be very cool.
Picking on Nick
The green is a composite of the topmost seating areas in the new ballpark. The gray is a scale diagram of the Metrodome.
In the comments for my previous post, someone mentioned a recent column by Nick Coleman in the Strib. While I am not qualified to comment on Coleman's cleansing capabilities or overall freshness, it seemed important to check into one of his criticisms of the ballpark project. Namely, he wasn't sure that the cheap seats in the new park would be any better than the cheap seats in the Metrodome.
Well, I'm here to tell you that it looks like almost every seat will be better in the new park than in the Dome, though it's unlikely any seat will be as cheap as the worst seats in the Dome. Is the net an improvement? Probably, but we don't quite have enough information to know for sure.
To check this, I superimposed a scale drawing of the Metrodome over the scale drawings of the new park. Then, with the help of Google Earth, I did a little measuring. Unfortunately, I can't find the height measurements for the Dome (though I was able to estimate heights for the new park), so all of the measurements which follow are just horizontal distances.
In the Dome, the worst seat (somewhere in section 204 -- I'm pretty sure it's the seat I was in for the 2004 playoffs) is 566 feet from home plate. In the new park, the most distant seat in the upper deck in left field will be 447 feet from the plate -- an improvement of 119 feet. You may remember that, back at Met Stadium, Harmon Killebrew once hit a home run that went 530 feet. In the new park, that would easily clear the upper deck in left.
Behind the plate, at the Dome the last row is 204 feet from the plate, while the new park is 212 feet. That is an increase of a mere eight feet, though the vertical element is still to be calculated.
I guess my point is that it's clear that there probably won't be any really bad seats in the new park. In fact, it's hard to find any section that doesn't look like a great place from which to see a game. That's a testament to the size of the site, but also the creativity of the architectural team.
On this point, I think Coleman got it wrong.
For this little project and some of my other research, I've created a bunch of graphic overlays in Google Earth, mostly fitting the scale drawings onto the site. If I get time, I'll post all of these so you can do some checking for yourself.
Another subject which has come up in the comments is about the quality of the ballpark location now that we've had a year to live with it. I've been working on a long post on this matter (hence a few days of silence), which I hope to post early next week.
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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."
– Bernie Williams
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Here are 50 images chosen randomly from the 3045 found on this site. Click the image to be taken to the original post. A new list is created every 10 minutes.
Construction of the stands is moving from left to right in this image.
A mysterious smile from within a very deep planter!
A mass of rebar and complicated cable runs ready for a pour.
The ballpark development area expanded by 1000 feet in each direction
Night games are much preferred by the players at Target Field. You can see why.
A truck is leaving the HERC plant. Here you can see the proximity to the promenade. For the record, the truck drove right by me and I smelled nothing...
This guy at the Puckett atrium chef stand caught me taking the picture and said I should stop back later because he was "just getting started." I still don't know what he meant.
Instrument of evil.
I have no idea what this is or does, but as gear goes, it's totally boss, man. (Attached to a railing just off of the Trap)
Supports for the little sections in the outfield.
Red is old Yankee Stadium. This diagram comes from FieldOfSchemes.com
The Polo Grounds (left) and Shibe Park (Connie Mack Stadium)
The seating bowl of Citizens Bank Park overlaid on the Target Field site
Playing surface dirt out there? Maybe. (click to enlarge)
Stairs down to Seventh Street now have the start of railings
Gate 29 escalators
This is the trapezoid (for lack of a better name) in right center. Be sure to notice section of seats just below the pavilion and above the fence (which I hadn't noticed before). For those who are interested, what looks like an old-style scoreboard is in fact a high-def video board which will look, at times, like an old-fashioned scoreboard.
This is an angle I have not used very much, from the top of the Fifth Street ramp. Because the wall is so tall (forget about watching a game from here for free -- OK, maybe with a step stool) I have to hold the camera up over my head and just snap, hoping I get something good. Here I did. This view then looks to the southwest.
Can you name that field? (Braemer Park, Edina)
The proposed wooden screen covering the circulation ramp on Fifth Street (at left is the equivalent screen on Seventh Street).
Two plazas in Spain. (Brad and I were pretending to steal coins from the fountain. We were all just so darn funny back in high school, eh?)
Detail showing clubhouse and home dugout (click to see the entire drawing)
This looks south and shows the track configuration for Northstar. The platform shown is just a placeholder. To the best of my knowledge, concept drawings for this platform have not been released. Keep in mind, this is NOT part of the ballpark project. It is completely separate.
Dan Kenney provided this alternate shot of a walkway behind the view level
I will take a picture of just about anything.
The Hrbek gate is directly below. It's a lively place after a game.
This is where you will put out your butts -- I mean enjoy some pretty flowers.
The outfield stands as viewed through the unnumbered gate
First Avenue at left, bike parking area at lower right
BPM - Ballpark Magic
BRT - Bus Rapid Transit
DSP - Dave St. Peter
FSE - Full Season Equivalent
FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)
HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)
HPB - Home Plate Box
HRP - Home Run Porch
LC - Legends Club
LRT - Light Rail Transit
MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)
MOA - Mall of America
MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)
NYS - New Yankee Stadium
SRO - Standing Room Only
STH - Season Ticket Holder
TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium
TF - Target Field
Selected Bibliography - Analysis
First Edition (1992)
Second Edition (2006)
Selected Bibliography - Surveys
Second Edition (1987)
Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000, large coffee table)
Original edition (2000, round)
Revised edition (2006, round)
(2001, medium coffee table)
(2002, small coffee table)
(2003, medium coffee table)
(2004, very large coffee table)
(2006, very large coffee table)
Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
Book and six ballpark miniatures