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May 28, 2010 2:37 AM

You can come out now. They're gone.

I have to admit that I've felt a little like averting my eyes for the past three days. But it appears that some genuine progress was made. Our boys have now taken two of six, which is decidedly better than other recent history.

Frankly, I think that each manager made one significant tactical mistake during the series, but the net was a tip in our favor. Gardy named his 6th inning pitcher way too early (allowing preparation), and Girardi pulled that lame-and-should-be-against-the-rules BS with Pettitte and Rivera (thus firing up the opposition). I think we're all glad that Gardy got mad. He was justified.

The upshot is that the dynamic may have changed for the better if you're the Twins. The Yankees advantage over the Twins has actually been thinning for a while (look at how close the games have gotten, and what it has taken to push the Bombers over the top each time), and may even be partly a function of small sampling size. Here's hoping we see them again -- in October -- in the Bronx -- in the ALCS -- for a robust regression to the mean.

Oh, Doggie!

Shopping at Cub is not a place where I typically bring out my phone to take a picture. I did once when, for reasons I never quite figured out, there was a mariacci band playing in the frozen foods aisle. (I've got video too.)

But I stopped in my tracks and reached for my phone when I got to the hot dog aisle day before yesterday. (My wife thinks the photos which follow constitute proof that I have gone off the deep end.)

Yes, you can now buy all three types of Target Field hot dogs at Cub Foods (maybe elsewhere) and compare and contrast to your heart's content.

You'll also save a lot of money. Here's a quick comparison:

Big Dog

Big Dog - TF: $5.25 (includes chips, available everywhere) ... Store: $0.97

Dugout Dog

Dugout Dog - TF: $4.50 (in-seat vendors only) ... Store: $0.93

"Original" or "Dinger" Dog

"Original" or "Dinger" Dog - TF: $5.50 (Hennepin Grille) ... Store: $0.47

I immediately snatched up a pack of Dugout Dogs, which I think are the tastiest (though still a bit too salty for me). We'll see how they do on the grill... Mmmmm, hot dogs...

The only remaining question is who can come up with the best way to heat these at home, get them into the park, and keep them warm until game time. Hey, we live in an era when pretty much anything is possible (except, oh, balancing governmental budgets, preventing or stopping gigantic oil spills, and defeating Yankees). Let's hear your best ideas. (You will receive bonus points if you can devise some type of heater which can be used at the charging station!)

Approximation

Back when Schweigert was named hotdoggyaire for the new park, I bought some of their regular dogs off the shelf just to see what they were like. Frankly, they weren't very good. (I'm kind of partial to Oscar Meyer myself).

But something on the nutritional panel caught my eye:

OK, just how many servings per container?

One would think that getting the same number of hot dogs into each package would be the simplest part of the packaging department's job.

Perhaps, when you get to one of those incredibly plentiful grill stands at Target Field, you should ask for "about one" Big Dog.

Walk-Around Tour

It was a beautiful day and I had to be downtown, so you know what I always do.

Rod Carew will greet you, but he's sorely in need of a home plate for reference. (Killebrew is too.)


Stairs wrap around the skyway escape tower. A very nice finishing touch.


Flowers and Hall-of-Fame plaques. Very nice.


A distinct misstep, ostensibly to guard against missteps. But methinks I smell a lawyer...

Permanent barriers have sprouted across Seventh from the plaza, and "no crossing" signs have gone up all along here.

Basically it nullifies all the beautiful work done to tie the other side of the street into the plaza. Those matching railings weren't cheap, but the offensively unmatching barriers probably were.

I say: On gameday, Seventh Street should be treated as an extension of the plaza. This setup looks uncharacteristically unfriendly, and reminds me of those barriers down the middle of Fifth Street over by the Metrodome.

The plaza has been finished off just beautifully.


I know you've seen this, but I can't get enough of it.


More flowers, more pennants.


Through the windows of the Metropolitan Club you can see one of the displays of Met Stadium memorabilia.

That display features what remains of Met Stadium's home plate, which I managed to photograph long ago when Clyde brought it out for an event at the Mall of America.

I haven't seen the display up close, but the story I heard is that the actual plate was given away to a fan after the last game. Both the fan and the plate promptly disappeared and have never been heard from again (probably because no one tried to find them for decades).

Clyde dug up the mounting, which is made of wood, along with the pitching rubber (cement), and hauled them around for years to anywhere that would let him show them. It's a great story, and truly amazing to have them right where they belong.

Pennies

Finally today, I came across this very interesting article in Finance and Commerce about just how much free publicity the Twins have received from various media outlets over the past few months:

But slicing and dicing the runaway month of April provides a glimpse at how free media and impressions are figured.

"You get the most exposure on the internet, but the greatest value is on broadcast," explained (uber PR-dude Chris) Iles.

That month, there were 4.15 billion broadcast impressions totaling more than $15 million in gratis exposure; 181 million print impressions worth $2.2 million; and 165 million internet impressions worth about $1.9 million in exposure.

I may have stopped receiving press releases long ago, but I just had to check my logs and do the math.

*Sigh*

Is it possible to take a bad picture of this building?

Still hoping to get to a game this weekend. Thanks for hanging around here.

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in my experience, the Big Dog was not available everywhere at TF. I found that out when I went to the OS against the Sox. We had a Hennipen Grille right behind us and I asked about the Big Dog. She informed me "we don't sell it at this one. The one down by 108 does."

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 06:51 AM by luke Highlight this comment 1

Absolute favorite moment from last night? Kubel's curtain call. Oh, sure he was easily the star of the game (okay, Blackburn too), but his coming out and tipping his helmet to the crowd seemed just a little bit more than just acknowledging the fans. You've seen it before... when Cheater or A-Fraud hits a big bomb (and after many meaningless ones, too) and they come out to bow before their adoring mob. I'm thinking that a not-so-small part of Kubel coming out after the 3-run job was a bit of "F-you, Yankees." And I was loving it.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 06:53 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 2

When Kubel's contract is up, do you think the Yankees will go after him hard?

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 07:05 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 3

I'm pretty sure the Pettitte/Rivera thing IS a rule. The Yanks just made a big deal about Beckett and Boston in their series against each other. I think you can only pull the pitcher who comes out for the inning if he has an injury (Beckett did have an injury apparently, but the Yanks thought otherwise). Otherwise, he is forced to pitch to that batter OR the batter receives a free 1-0 count. I can't find the rule, unless I'm missing it, but I'm pretty sure it is a rule. Like I said, the Yankees just made a big deal about it in the Yanks/Sox series when the Red Sox did it.

The umps, once again, look to have given the Yankees a free pass on rules.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 07:13 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 4

First official Target Field game tonight!! I COULD NOT BE MORE EXCITED! I feel as old as my fourth grade students today. Isn't that what baseball is all about - to feel like your 10 years old, and anything is possible?!?! First row of 128, 5 butts down from the foul pole.

Question - since I am in the first row, do I bring my glove? I never wanted to be THAT guy, but....

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 08:01 AM by ole Highlight this comment 5

Ole, you can't go wrong bringing your glove to a game.

Well, I guess if you're sitting in the last row of section 334 you might look a bit silly, but if you're sitting in the first row, bring it!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 08:33 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 6

Ole-
Bring your glove. Enjoy the game.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 08:43 AM by jared Highlight this comment 7

Ole, I'll also be at my first TF night game tonight after seeing two day games. This will be my first outdoor, under the stars MLB game since seeing the Texas Rangers in old Arlington Stadium in 1993. I'm very, very excited! I'm also sitting along the 3rd base side (section 123), so I'll give a full report on the glare off the skyscrapers!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 08:51 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 8

Should be a great night to catch a game at the ballpark....

My next game isn't until July 2nd vs the Rays....That will be my first Friday night game....should be alot of fun hitting the bars before and after in downtown.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 08:55 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 9

Hey Rick (or anyone else),

Any pictures of the Hops yet? I thought I saw someone say they were about 5 ft tall right now.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 08:57 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 10

Girardi says that his Pettitte/Rivera thing was within the rules and the article on mlb.com doesn't say anything different so I guess it wasn't. It just seems like it would be and it should be. The Yankees just made a big deal out of a similar situation against them.

I'll be at the game tonight too. Hopefully we can knock off Lewis. He's been pitching well.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 09:00 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 11

Gee now I'm hungry for a dog! I like the old fashioned skin on dogs myself. I have a couple packs at home think I will bring a few to the next game. Maybe steam the buns a little also. OK now onto the game last night. Did not arrive till about the top of the 3rd inning. Parked right across street from Holiday gas station for free of course. Went into Holiday No dogs. They stop cooking em after 7pm!!!ouch!!!!!! So ended up grabbing a sub and then up to our seats. We were in section 302 last night row 4. Sat in front of 4 larger drunk women who let out every f bomb you can imagine! How they could fit in those seats was beyond me. Wife had enough of that and said lets go walk around. Ended up watching right behind home plate standing. Great spot. They spotted a group of 4 leaving about 6 rows down after the 5th inning. I said you coming back? They said no so we ended up in sec 113 about 4th row! Nice free upgrade! Kubel lights out again last night! Now 3-3 this year. Got tickets for tonight also but will probably give em to the kids!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 09:30 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 12



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MINNEAPOLIS, MN (May 27, 2010): The Minnesota Twins first baseman Justin Morneau struck the Captain's signature pose with the fun-loving party icon Captain Morgan and his lovely Morganettes, before Thursday's game against the New York Yankees. The Captain also lead "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" during the 7th inning stretch from the Captain's Deck at Target Field. (Photo by Craig Lassig/AP Images for Captain Morgan)

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MINNEAPOLIS, MN (May 27, 2010): The fun-loving party icon Captain Morgan throws out the ceremonial first pitch before Thursday's game against the New York Yankees. The Captain also lead "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" during the 7th inning stretch from the Captain's Deck at Target Field. (Photo by Craig Lassig/AP Images for Captain Morgan)

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Posted on May 28, 2010 at 09:34 AM by Guest Highlight this comment 13

I was at the game last night and had a great time. It was my first night game.

The topiary bats look much better with hops planted in them. It breathes some life into them. I would estimated the hops are 4 to 6 feet tall. Its just another nice touch to the plaza.

Now with the hops planted, the Twins will need to figure out a better lighting design within the topiary bats. The plant leaves block the light from illuminating the sculptures. My dad at the game commented "Aren't those bats suppose to light up?"

More comments to come...

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 09:34 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 14

Was at the game last night and the weather was literally picture-perfect. It was a perfect 10 out of 10 in my mind...not hot, not cold, no humidity, no precipitation, not very windy but rather the perfect light breeze.

Kubel's first HR was a blast that landed on the steps leading up to the grandstand. I think they measured that at 476 feet but could be wrong.

I am now 7-1 on the regular season and 8-2 overall (would be 8-0 if not for that dismal 14 runners LOB on Sunday against Milwaukee, but that is another issue).

I am still amazed that the lines continue to be so long at the men's restroom near section 107-108 when there are 20 fixtures being unused on the backside. They almost need an usher or some signs in there to direct people to that backside until people realize there are ALOT more fixtures on the backside that are underutilized. The lines to the men's room should simply never be that long.

They also need to do something about the small restroom near section 101.

And why do people continue to get up out of their seats in the middle of an at-bat??? Some Twins fans need to learn ballpark etiquette.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 09:37 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 15

Yes did see the captain last night! Was much more intereseted in seeing his lovely assistants and the nice outfits they were sporting so to speak! ROTFLMAO! I waved my water bottle filled with rum right at the captain and did a pose down next to him! I also liked how the ladies are coming out dressed in the hot weather gear so to speak! When is Twins Halter top day again?

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 16

Rick,

As for the cooking your hot dog at the game, I use to be in the military and they had MRE (meals ready to eat) and they had little heaters/cookers that you could heat up your meal in them. You could probably bring one of those in to TF in a backpack and cook your dogs.

Great win by the Twins last night, now lets sweep the Rangers out of here!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:13 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 17

Might try just wrapping the dogs up in foil maybe. Man I'm gonna be bringing some old fashioned skin on to the games few sure for the night games! Will get em at the Holiday station next door for the day games!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:25 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 18

Ok I'm tired of the current grass cut pattern. Lets try something else. I still prefer the checkboard look. Who cares what the road team says about the balls skipping when they had it cut that way before. It's our house not theirs! I like the mets version! I also see they replaced a big ole chuck of sod out in right field already. Looks like near where the right fielders stand most of the time! Lets change it up boys!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:30 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 19

Judging from that photo it looks as if Joe Nathan has finally gotten to throw a pitch in Target Field!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:31 AM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 20

Not sure why he had to put on a pirate costume to do it though.

In regard to the right field sod spot...from sitting in the overhang a few games you can clearly see the spot that Cuddy always stands in. It was basically dirt by the end of April.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 21

I was 7-1 heading into Wednesday's game. I have since falling to 7-3. Wednesday did bring a first in ballpark etiquette, however.

The usher assigned to our section strictly enforced the no entering the section during an at bat, rule. He did piss off some people, but it was very nice to see someone put a stop to the clueless. He would literally step in front of fans at the top of the stairs and only let them pass after the at-bat was finished. Unfortunately he could not stop those same fans from leaving the section in the middle of an at-bat. I missed Joe hitting into a double play in the 8th because someone in the front row decided that was a good time to get up and then force everyone else in the row to stand just as the pitcher began his windup. It really makes you scratch your head. Were they even aware that the game was tied at that point and we were about to take the lead?

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:43 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 22

Here are the other two Captain Morgan eye-poppers:



Wow. Definitely sorry that I missed that!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:51 AM by Rick 23

Yep dem where the 2 eyepoppers alright! Made me drink!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 11:01 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 24

I like that Morneau did the leg lift

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 11:10 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 25

Anyone see the Yankees fan eat the YES reporter's pork chop on a stick last night?? Gotta love LIVE TV and stupid Yankees fans!!

Click link and scroll down to see the video

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 11:23 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 26

Time for a small rant as the Yankees leave town:

I'm sorry, but the all-star voting needs to be addressed.

Justin Morneau would have a good shot at the AL MVP if the season ended today: .377 avg (1st), 11 HRs (5th), 35 RBI (5th), .685 SLG (1st).

And yet, he is in 2nd in the voting, nearly 150,000 votes behind Mark Teixeira, whose numbers are .216 avg, 7 HRs, 30 RBIs, .378 SLG. (Yes, Morneau's batting average is only .001 behind Teixeira's slugging.)

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM by Klomp Highlight this comment 27

I wandered up to the TF box office in search of weekend tix. Got two SROs for tonight...just gotta figure out where to park ourselves.

Saw the plantings on the topiaries, and it looks like several different plants: hyacinth beans and morning glories for sure. I'm not sure which ones might have been hops. They all doing their job & climbing up, that's for sure.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 28

Hey, anyone know exactly where the Tony O's cuban sandwiches are being sold? I'd like to try one tonight. Also, didn't i read somewhere that the cheeseburger basket is pretty darn good?

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 2:24 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 29

The Cubans are sold from specialty carts which don't sell anything else. I believe it's only one cart per level in the main grandstand. I haven't seen one in the outfield.

The cheeseburger and fries is the second best food I've had at TF -- after the chocolate cup cake, which was spectacular. I don't know how big that burger actually is, but it usually takes me about an inning and a half to eat the whole thing.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 2:36 PM by Rick 30

Cheeseburger basket is a heck of a deal for $9something. Big burger, two slices of cheese, lettuce & tomato - and a big pile of fries. Yummy.

Tony O's is behind 309, and behind 111. Highly recommended.

I'll be in the batter's eye tomorrow afternoon. 90 degrees and sunny!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 2:37 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 31

Fiesta-

SRO still $25?

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 2:38 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 32

Back in the dark Metrodome days, they used to publish a complete menu and map of the whole ballpark. They were available in little containers tacked to the walls across from concession stands.

Has anybody seen anything similar for TF?

I'm trying to put together a comprehensive food list so we can do ratings, but I'm short a bunch of information. (I have pictures of all the concession stand menus, except for the Hennepin Grille. If you have one, please forward. Thanks!)

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 2:42 PM by Rick 33

Rick and F_T_K,

Thanks for the info, maybe I'll just have to try both tonight!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 2:43 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 34

Rick - there are little pieces of literature at the guest service stands that contain the concession stand information such as the items listed at each concession stand and the locations.

They have the same appearance as a normal "pocket schedule". I picked up a couple of them back during the exhibition games.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 3:06 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 35

Rick ---

There is a "Concessions Guide" --- looks just like a pocket schedule (size and fold out-wise) at the guest services windows.

The cheeseburger basket is quite good - as ballpark food goes.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 3:06 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 36

Mike,

Would you be willing to scan and forward? (rick at this domain)

My next tickets aren't until June 30, and I'd like to get this done before then...

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 3:07 PM by Rick 37

"Shakespeare -- Longfellow -- Who goes up the chimney ----- "

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 3:08 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 38

That porkchop thief in the overlook was one of the funniest things I've seen in ages.

My buddy and I went around the park watching from various spots last night, starting behind the plate on the 100 level, going to the 200 concourse on the 3rd base side, then to the Captain Morgan Party Deck, into the Townball Tavern, up to the Trap for a few innings where a young boy with a high scratchy voice managed to get the wave started after much effort (I hate the wave, but felt good for him, he was so proud when it finally took off), and then finally into the overlook section where we saw Mr. Porkchop several innings after his moment of glory. He looked as if he'd pounded a beer every other bater by then.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 3:30 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 39

I was told at the ticket office that SRO tickets for the Rangers series are $20.00. I also tried to walk through the Legends Club after the Tuesday night game and was turned away for not have a ticket. This was even after the game was called due to rain.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 4:11 PM by FD Highlight this comment 40

What a game and evening last night at TF! I was sitting in section 326 rw 2 and the glare was noticeable but wasn’t a huge factor (unless you were like me who kept looking right at it saying to my wife "I cant believe that glare"

A few other observations from last night:
- Lots of bugs late in the game up top - cover your beers!
- Is it just me or does it look like Paul's hand and arm are not lit up properly or burnt out when the celebration sign is on - It does look awesome with a home run though.
- Some of the bathrooms on the 3rd deck were designed very poorly – Already talked about but never dealt with until last night.

Cant wait for tonight! Section 122 Go Twins

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM by Dust Highlight this comment 41

Capt. Morgan was over-the-top cheesy, tone deaf --- and I couldn't have enjoyed him more! The Captain needs to be a permanent feature, as does his nice pair of lasses.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 4:23 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 42

I could see the swarm of mayflies(?) from my place 3 blocks away. I can only imagine how thick the really were underneath the lights in the upper deck.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 4:25 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 43

Truth, I believe the proper term is 'wenches'.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 44

Yep we saw plenty of mayflies last night also up on 3rd deck. Lets hope it subsides in the next few days. River is not that far from where they hatch. I remember down in Winona they used to have to get out the snowplows to clear the bridges a few times. Yes the Capts lasses can tie me up with some of their ties any old time! Did the Capt and the dames set sail last night? I bet Morneau is thinking dang why did I get married??? ROTFLMAO!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 4:43 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 45

The bugs were HORRIBLE last night in the upper deck. I was praying for relief from the swallows and kestrels but they never came. Fans were swatting them off of each other. I saw one guy with a mayfly sitting on his chin and he didn't even notice. Gross!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 6:29 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 46

Jeff - that's what I've been asking myself all along. I thought one was supposed to light up at the conclusion of each inning. Haven't seen that yet.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 6:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 47

I wonder if we can get a refund on Mauer's contract. What a waste of money. Well at least we have the two league leaders in grounding into double plays with Mauer and Cuddyer!

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 8:45 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 48

Yay! Twins win.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 9:55 PM by luke Highlight this comment 49

luke - You can see the light source on the bottom of the topiary bats, but it does not produce enough light to illuminate them. It would be cool to have huge bright spot lights in each of them in my opinion. Kind of like a bright shining beacon towering into the sky.

Regarding the bugs, yes they were horrible last night. I was sitting in the family section, row 10 and I was constantly flicking them off of me.

Yesterday was my first time sitting in the upper deck. I really liked the feel of the upper deck concourse. There was a nice breeze up there. I really liked seeing the sky above me and it was less crowded than the lower deck concourse. I highly recommend taking the escalators up and down over the circulation ramps. We ventured down them during the middle innings and it felt like the end was nowhere in sight. Also the Twins have the wrong name listed for the Jordan ballpark picture in the Town Ball Tavern. It is called the Mini Met, not the Jordan Ballpark.

I had my first frustrating experience at Target Field also last night. As we were walking to the Hennepin Grille to get our free hot dog and pop, I knew they sold cheese curds at these stands. I ordered my hot dog, pop and also some cheese curds. The nice cashier stating that they don't sell them at this stand and that I would have to go to the Hennepin Grille a few sections down to get them.

Man, it would be nice if the Twins sold the same food items at each concession stand with the same name. I was a little upset, since I was craving them.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 9:57 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 50

Yep. Apparently not all stands are the same.
I think you can get the cheese curds at the Mill City (cant remember what they're called) stands...I think.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 51

SRO was $20 today. We had dinner at the Townball, then parked at a drink rail in the batter's eye right under Minnie & Paul. It's a good vantage point (except for the drunk idiots who seatjumped and chose to loudly harrass Hamilton for his chem dep issues.)

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 52

TTH --- At least mayflies don't bite.

Posted on May 28, 2010 at 11:21 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 53

I've had similar frustrating experiences with the concession stands at TF. The other day I ordered the cheeseburger basket and then wanted a Killebrew root beer which I saw directly behind the volunteer staffers in the glass beverage case. They laughed nervously and said I would have to get that at the end because their register couldn't ring the root beer up. Seems ridiculous and the workers agreed. That $$ stayed in my wallet. Seems like it might be prudent for the Twins operational staff to begin addressing these issues. Especially considering we are almost in June...

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 12:33 AM by Max Highlight this comment 54

I actually was quite disappointed in the Tony O's Cuban Sandwich. The problem is they make them and then put them in a heated rack. If you get them fresh just after they are made they might be good, but the one I had was lukewarm with unmelted cheese. I'm also not a fan of mushy "pulled pork" on my Cuban sandwich. Should be pieces of roasted pork.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 12:37 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 55

I've seen that pork chop thing in a few places now (including the whole segment, where they talk in advance about that guy behind her).

Either that's a setup, or the production team is completely incompetent. I'm going with the former, based on the way she waves the thing under his nose right before he takes a bite, and how she doesn't even flinch when he chomps on it, even though it looks like she's easily able to feel the tug.

I think it's fake.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 12:40 AM by Rick 56

Interesting to realize that not all stands with the same name carry the same items. This would run counter to their stated goal of having distinct themes for each stand.

Somewhere deep in the back of my mind I do remember getting cheese curds at some stand other than the State Fair booth. Maybe that should have been the tip-off. I wonder if the menus are evolving at all.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 12:41 AM by Rick 57

congrats to the minnesota golden gopher baseball team on their 4-3 win over meatchicken (michigan) tonight and making it to the big ten tournament championship game tomorrow night (saturday).

oh and congrats to the twins on their win as well.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 01:22 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 58

Apparently someone beat me to the punch before I saw this post,

"Rick,

As for the cooking your hot dog at the game, I use to be in the military and they had MRE (meals ready to eat) and they had little heaters/cookers that you could heat up your meal in them. You could probably bring one of those in to TF in a backpack and cook your dogs."

I too was going to suggest this, their magnesium heaters where you add a few tablespoons of water to, lean them at an angle and they heat up, quite warm, could probably cook the hotdog itself without any pre-cooking with just this lil heater. Comes in a sandwhich bag size clear baggy, the only problem is sneaking the hotdog in, a wife or girlfriend's purse perhaps? That what the g/f and I did with some sourpatch kids and gummy lifesavers last tues, ya know, til we were kicked out after the 5th inning (still p.o'd about that one, lame)

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 03:14 AM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 59

Rick, if my memory serves correctly, I was able to get cheese curds at the Hennepin Grille directly behind section 111. Couldn't get the Big Dog, but I was able to get the curds.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 08:27 AM by luke Highlight this comment 60

Curds at Henn. Grill near 206 as well. Lousy, cold/rubbery, tiny portion, and not really curds, but they have 'em.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 08:50 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 61

No need to "sneak" food in. You can bring in whatever you want. I just bring my own bag of peanuts and a bottle of water and I am good for the whole game.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 09:02 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 62

I think it was behind 111 where I got the lousy curds. And Ben is right, they're not really "curds" at all. More like tater tots with cheese instead of potatoes...

The only good ones I've had were out at the State Fair booth in center, and at that stand on the main concourse which is between the Oliva gate and the unnumbered gate. They were very fresh there.

I've yet to figure out the allure of the Cuban sandwich. It just doesn't sound that good, and the reports on their quality is decidedly mixed. Plus the lines are long and the cost is high. Doubt I'll be trying those.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 09:17 AM by Rick 63

By the way, I think the unnumbered gate could officially be called the Marlboro Gate based on its apparent function.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 09:19 AM by Rick 64

I thought the curds were ok. No where near the real mccoy you get at the State Fair. You're right though, the little canoe they're served in is...not the greatest portion size.
Now that the TF hot dogs are on the consumer market, I think I'll stick with the cheesburger basket when I'm at the game. Has anyone tried the chicken- or walleye fingers?

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 09:22 AM by luke Highlight this comment 65

To each there own I guess.

I thought the cuban sandwich was very good. I split it with my wife and she didn't care for it. It had some seasoning that she just didn't care for. It is kind of on the expensive side for what you get and I don't think I will purchase another.

My sone loves the chicken stripes (tenders, fingers whatever they are) basket. that gets my vote for the best value. The chicken is very good and you get lots of frys, along with four large pieces of chicken.

I was disappointed with the cheeseburger basket. I didn't get that many frys. Half of what my son has gotten with the chicken basket. The cheeseburger, although large, was kind of dry and the bun was not good at all.

I really liked the Rib basket, at the state fair stand. 5 ribs and a bunch of frys for a little over $8. The Ribs were very good. Served hot and great texture. I did have to wait about 5 minutes for the order, as I think they prepare them after you order.

While waiting for the Ribs, I did notice someone that order the shrimp on a stick. 5 very small shrimp for 7 or 8 bucks. I don't think I will try them. Also someone was eating a Pork chop on a stick near me and didn't have good things to say about it.

My favorite is still Karmaurczuks (however you spell it). They have always been very good, however as has been mentioned many times, the buns do need some improvement, along with the option of spicey brown mustard.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 10:22 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 66

LOVE, LOVE the seats I sat in last night - first row of LF bleachers. The fact that I can put my feet up is a beautiful thing. Last night was THE perfect night for a game. Now I have to wait until June 17th for my next game. Can't wait to get back.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 10:42 AM by Ole Highlight this comment 67

minn - I think you're right, the fries are kind of limited with the cheeseburger because of the sheer size of the burger. Next time I go to TF, whenever that is, possibly the MSHSL baseball finals, I'm going to have to tread over to the State Fair stand. The rib basket sounds great as well.
Ole, I wonder if those were your feet on the telly last night. About mid-6th inning, FSN did a wide pan shot and caught someone with their feet up.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 11:19 AM by luke Highlight this comment 68

Jeff you so right about the circulation ramps. The problem is it takes too long to make it up & down to the main concourse the ramp on the 7th st side of the park. the escalators are just too quick and convenient, no matter the crowds. you realize how many levels there are to TF when you're walking that ramp. on the escalator, it's nothing.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 11:51 AM by tim Highlight this comment 69

For all the other cheap people going to alot of games, I recommend signing up for the Budweiser designated driver program (there is one around 129). They put a numbered wristband on you for a chance to win a prize. The winner is posted on the scoreboard after the 8th. Most importantly, you get a coupon for a free soda.

I had mine with my new favorite filling snack: RIBS (near 131) They were the best ribs I've had in a while. $8.50 including fries. Got my soda there too. Then ate them at the drink rail across from the concession stand. There are restrooms close by to wash your hands.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 1:37 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 70

After all the hype of TF field food, I'm getting the feeling, from talking with others, reading this blog, etc., that many items aren't meeting our early expectations. I agree on the ribs--they were pretty darn good for ballpark food and the fries might make it the best overall buy. The Polish from Kramarczuk's is fantastic. Cheeseburger was filling and pretty decent. I've had the cheese curds and thought they were pretty good--of course, I've also had the horrible cheese curds at TCF Bank Stadium, which makes the TF curds look amazing.

I am surprised they didn't bring in an outside ice cream--I was hoping for a DQ Blizzard stand--but how about Izzy's or another local ice cream?

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM by ew Highlight this comment 71

Buzz & ew are correct. The Michelbob's ribs are fantastic and a good value (especially when compared to the $11 walleye on a stick or the shrimp on a stick). The Twins brought them up from Naples where they've been patronizing them for years during spring training. If you go to Ft. Myers/Naples during Spring Training definitely make sure to stop at their brick & mortar restaurant.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM by Max Highlight this comment 72

Celebration Sign - Slowly Burning Out
Was at both the Thursday and Friday Nights game and noticed the Celebration Sign is having some issues... Paulie's arm and hand is burnt out, the bottom of his S is out, the entire underline of the WIN is out... What gives?
For being the cherry on top of the new ballpark I hope they have plans to fix it soon or maybe that will be a off-season fix.

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 4:36 PM by Dust Highlight this comment 73

There's poetic justice for ya. Slowly burning out, probably cause it hasn't been used too much to celebrate Twins homeruns...

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM by luke Highlight this comment 74

Golden Gophers win 15-5 over Iowa Hawkeyes for Big Ten Conference championship!

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 10:14 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 75

re Gophers: is that an automatic pass to Omaha?

Posted on May 29, 2010 at 11:02 PM by robin Highlight this comment 76

congrats to coach john anderson and the minnesota golden gophers on beating the crap out of the ioweee hogeyes tonight in the big ten baseball championship game! 15-5 (and it wasn't even that close).

the minnesota golden gophers won both the big ten regular season and tournament championships and are now off to the college world series. brackets/seedings will be announced on monday.

ski-u-mah!

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:12 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 77

robin - yes, it is. teams who win a major conference tourney championship get an automatic bid to the CWS.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:14 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 78

Robin, I believe they get an auto-bid, but I think there are regionals first?

I had to reread the posts about the celebration sign, as I read Slowey Burning Out, and was wondering what was wrong :)

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:16 AM by tk Highlight this comment 79

ew - nah, i think the food and beverage options at target field are meeting my (and probably most people's) expectations just fine. don't forget that there are really just a lot of people on here who like to complain about crap for the sake of complaining.

p.s. the cheese curds at tcf bank stadium are pretty good, imo.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:17 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 80

I would say overall the food at Target Field is very good and a very big improvement over the Metrodome. As disappointed as I was in the Cuban sandwich, everything else I've had there I've enjoyed, from the Vincent burger to the BBQ turkey leg and everything in between. Still got to try the ribs next time I go though.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:39 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 81

before rick posted his notes on the new schweigert dog options at your local grocer, i had actually picked up a pack of the twins all-beef big dogs. pretty good....tastes the same as the one you get at the park, imo.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:58 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 82

The same product tasting the same in two (or more) different locations - now there's a concept for you.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 04:47 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 83

Beta -

Teams who win their conference championship get an automatic bid to the 64-team NCAA tourney. From there, just like any of the other 64 teams, they have to first win their 4-team round-robin regional tournament, and then win a 3-game 'super-regional' series against one of the other 16 regional winners. The 8 super-regional winners advance to the CWS.

At any rate, congrats to the Gophers!

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 07:02 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 84

Has anyone sampled the corn on the cob at TF? If so, how does it stack up against the stuff you can get at the State Fair?

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 07:42 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 85

I think the other unheralded food gem(s) of TF are the Town Ball Tavern/Hrbek's offerings. Much is the same stuff you can get on the concourse (Murrays, Vincent, etc.), and no question this still isn't high value offerings, but I've been there nights where the wind picks up or gets cool quick, and being able to grab a quick meal in there for a couple of innings is really nice. Made to order means you get the fresh stuff as well. I didn't think I'd have a need for in park restaurants, but they have been very pleasant on a couple of evenings.

My son gives the chicken tenders a big thumbs up, and I think the cheeseburger is a great "value" for ballpark food.

The Twins are really missing a chance to do a secret stadium sauce type thing with the Kramarczuk sausages. Some type of brown mustard "secret" mix is essential there.

The lowest value item I've consistently heard of is the walleye on a stick. At $11 for a very small portion of overly breaded fish, it doesn't look like a winner. I'm excited that the ribs are getting a good response!

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 09:22 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 86

Span Jersey night.

I don't normally pay attention to the give-a-ways, but I going with a friend and he is bringing his son. Span Jerseys to the first 5,000 fans under the age of 14. How quickly will these go? Do we need to be there right as the gates open?

Would it be a good idea to enter through the lightly used gate 14? do they already account for that and only have a couple of hundred Jerseys at that gate?

Other than the hankies and certificates given out at opening day, I don't think I've picked up a single promotion this year. Somehow, I don't think I will pass for 14.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 09:38 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 87

They still had lots of bats over an hour after gates open. I'd be interested to know how fast the lures went.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 88

So --- is Gardy going to field his "mail it in" line-up or is he (are they) going to play ball and try to win a series? Last Sunday's game may have been the poorest example of a competitive athletic event I have ever witnessed and I would not wish it on anyone.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 11:20 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 89

These B-squad line-ups are definitely getting me down as well. The last two games I went to I ended up getting this sinking feeling in my stomach while filling out my scorecard.

Hate to start a game that way.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM by Rick 90

With today's game being a night game, maybe Gardy will field his "A" line-up for a national TV audience.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 91

But with today's get-away day being a night game, I'm wondering who will take the field in Seattle on Monday,

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:17 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 92

well i think with this being a night game (and on national tv) and tomorrow being a later then usual game, our a-squad will be out both nights

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:26 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 93

I hope you're right.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:39 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 94

Forecast for tonights game isn't looking to good right now. It could be another soggy night at TF

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 12:56 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 95

I don't know, TwinsCast from the number 11 reads as follows:

7:05pm: Sun/cloud mix with an isolated shower/thundershower possible. Winds northwest 7-15 mph.

Doesn't sound like a soggy night at the park to me.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 2:32 PM by luke Highlight this comment 96

my prediction: weather for tonight's 7pm game will be fine. try looking at some radar. the front already moved through minneapolis and barely any rain sprung up, if any.

my approach: just go to the game in a prepared fashion and don't worry about it all day/night. nothing you can do about it anyways.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 3:18 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 97

58 standing room only seats on sale (stubhub) for $35 and up. 11 are listed for $58. I suppose there really is no way to stop this from happening.

If there is a way to make money, someone will always give it a try. Perhaps only put them on sale when the gates open, two hours before the game and then limit them to only 4 per person? I suppose the scalpers would then just pay people to stand in line for them any way.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 98

What's wrong with selling SRO tickets on Stubhub? It's convenient for people way out in the suburbs who want their tickets printed out and ready to go before they go to the game, because they might be sold out.

Yesterday's SROs were sold out and were going for $40-45 each briskly outside TF. If the Twins set a price for tickets and put them onsale, who cares if the buyers are fans or speculators? Maybe it will rain and they will be going for $10 each at gametime.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 4:49 PM by tom Highlight this comment 99

I know this has been discussed but I am not at home right now and was wondering what the dimensions are of the opening day panoramic?

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 4:56 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 100

The Cubans are now being prepped ahead and left in a warmer to speed up the line. It was dreadfully slow when they were making the line wait while they made them. I guess we can't have it both ways.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 5:22 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 101

"I know this has been discussed but I am not at home right now and was wondering what the dimensions are of the opening day panoramic?"

27 x 9.5

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 5:45 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 102

Thanks Ben!

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 6:14 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 103

It does seem like SRO tickets are just part of the ticket marketplace like anything else. They sell for whatever the market will bear.

In fact, I can't think of a reason (other than some form of good will) that the Twins would be motivated to do anything differently with them that any other ticket.

Tom's point about demand and pricing is interesting because it highlights one of the differences between box office sales and secondary market sales: risk.

That's a pretty big subject right there...

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 6:28 PM by Rick 104

I think its time to look for a new closer, Raush isnt fooling anybody. The league has caught up to the smoke and mirrors act. Nice sweep by the Twins though! Hopefully Hudson is alright or we could be hurting.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 10:24 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 105

I think o-dawg will be fine! in 23 hours we will see him at 2nd base in Seattle don;t worry

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 10:26 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 106

That looked really bad, but I think 0-DAWG is a tuff sonofgun, he'll be alright probably just a charlie-horse.. Span on the other hand, with slow-mo, looks like HUD's glove got him right in the peanuts, no wonder why he was still bending over in the dugout when they finally got there.. ha ha.. poor fella

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 10:28 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 107

Good win, good sweep, lots of good comments about Target Field from the broadcasters. And how 'bout that sunset? Beautiful!

Crash at the end has me worried, it looked to me like O-Hud got it shin-to-shin just above the ankle. I foresee some nasty bruises on both of them!

Now need to go to Seattle and take 3 of 4.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 10:36 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 108

Those who watched the game on ESPN, what were there reviews of Target Field like? Did Jon Miller/Joe Morgan/Orel Hershiser have many good things to say??

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 10:41 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 109

While ESPN had nice things to say about TF, I think they sort of overstated the attendance. They claimed it was a "record" crowd. Which was hard to believe, because there were empty seats visible on TV.
I know, people stand around TF's concourses and I think they sold SRO tickets for this game, but I think there were a few no-shows tonight. A "record" crowd...I'm not so sure about that. Could be wrong though. Maybe there was more than is visible on the telly.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 10:43 PM by luke Highlight this comment 110

Oh, and Kubel getting thrown out at home by 30 feet. Argh!

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 10:45 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 111

39,873 (100.9% full) according to espn.com. I could see that being a record crowd. I believe the Saturday Brewers game crowd was in the same neighborhood.

Posted on May 30, 2010 at 11:02 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 112

Yeah, according to the official numbers at least, they set a new attendance "record" for each game in the Rangers series, topping 39,000 each time out. Prior to this series they had only topped 39,000 in official attendance three other times, 39,353 and 39,087 for the last two games of the Yankees series and 39,152 for the Saturday Brewers game. Those SRO tickets are doing their thing.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 12:06 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 113

I hope this doesn't get lost too quickly because of a new rick post...

3 things:

1. I didn't know you bait lobster traps with cotton candy? People lobster fish in MN?


2. I know, I know, but its a great sunset. I think this sunset is better than the last.


3. And the coup de grâce...


There was a nice rainbow fragment too, but I didn't get a decent shot of it.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 12:31 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 114

I heard they are serving something called a Berts burger at Wendys now thought someone was kidding when they first mentioned it but it is real. Just wondering is it any good. And is it something one might see at TF in the future.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 12:43 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 115

The "Bert" burger is a collaboration to raise money for Parkinson's Disease. PD is is a deal with Bert - his father died of it.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 01:01 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 116

Wow, Jared! Those are fantastic (as always)! Any chance I can get a larger version of #3? I'd love to use it for my dual monitor wallpaper.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 01:09 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 117

Those pics are very nice Jared. I wonder why they use those huge things to lug around cotton candy? He probably has at least 15 in there, and the thing he carries it in is heavier than the 15 pieces of cotton candy.
I seem to remember at The Other Place, they drove the cotton candy sticks into a piece of corrugated cardboard. Seems much easier than that contraption that poor guy was carrying around (plus handling the money).

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 07:54 AM by luke Highlight this comment 118

Thanks guys.

Luke- It appears that no vendor has the same way of carrying their merchandise. Most have a pretty standard container (i.e. the hot dog and beer vendors) but cotton candy, sunflower seeds/peanuts and other knick-knack vendors tend to have the most variation/customization in their containers. There is a beer vendor that always walks by our section that carries what looks to be a typical clear plastic container from a target with an empty bottle of each type of brew he is carrying clamped to the front with some heavy duty clothespin like clamps. I also noticed that (in the LF bleachers anyway) there are only a couple of vendors that are seen there mulitple times per game, all the others seem to make their way around the stadium. Its becoming a rather interesting part of the game for us since we see so many different ones per game.

On another side note, it also seems that the LF bleachers have become the crazy hats section. Seems like every game I go to, someone has a crazy hat on. I can't remember them all but for example, last night, 4 guys, standard top hats but they were either red or blue in color. The game vs the Brewers, someone had a hat with a model of the sausage races on top. I took a few pictures of it, but this is the best one I got of the bunch:


Posted on May 31, 2010 at 09:17 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 119

Awesome pix, Jared.

I now realize that we need to have a designated photographer for each game.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 10:01 AM by Rick 120

Thanks Jared. I was not aware that the roaming vendors even had different means for selling their wares. I thought all of it was standard through Delaware North or Volume Services or whoever does the concessions.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM by luke Highlight this comment 121

On attendance -- I don't know that this was past practice, but the Twins are not counting complementary tickets in their attendance counts. Obviously there were probably more comp tickets in the first few series. That, plus the SRO, I think are contributing to the extra 1000 seats sold.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 10:43 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 122

Luke -- it is all Delaware North. However, vendors are clearly not assigned to specific sections. If you are a beer guy, the best thing that can happen is to find a big group that wants to buy just from you. Every cold case you grab, you go right back to that section and fill them up. That is a much easier way to make money than wandering around.

I think it is interesting to see the vendors line up next to each other as people come in. Clearly they are told they have to wander once the game starts, but I bet several of them sell their case easy before the game starts.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 10:49 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 123

Linc - I know DNC does everything at TF. That was just more in reference to other concessionaire services (Volume, Centerplate etc) and whether they're standardized.
You sure can't miss a roaming DNC vendor at TF. I wonder if those bright yellow shirts glow in the dark?
maybe it's just me, but are there more roaming vendors on the main level than up in the 300 level? Seems, whenever I see a game on TV, there's maybe 3 or 4 vendors lined up in a given section. But when I sat in 320 for the game against the O's, didn't seem like we saw alot of vendors up there.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:08 AM by luke Highlight this comment 124

Sales are easier to come by in the pricier sections - more money in pockets.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:28 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 125

The beer sure goes fast among the proles in the nosebleed seats at Vikes games. A vendor heads up the aisle full, and comes down empty. This will happen a few timees a game.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:39 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 126

When I've sat in the outfield sections, it's easy to see how different the ratio of vendors is from lower deck to the view deck. There might be 5 vendors total in the upper deck with some lower bowl sections sport five alone.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 127

Another loss by the Tigers today. Would love to open up a 4.5 game lead tonight.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 7:04 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 128

Huddy is out 2 to 3 days. Cuddy is at 2B for at least tonight.

TWINS (30-20)

1. Denard Span, CF
2. J.J. Hardy, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Jim Thome, DH
6. Michael Cuddyer, 2B
7. Jason Kubel, RF
8. Delmon Young, LF
9. Nick Punto, 3B

I like our lineup tonight. Joe playing catcher even after a day of travel.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 7:21 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 129

i just wanted to mention (and i venture there are at least a few other twins fans out there who feel the same way) before the telecast starts tonight just how wonderful it was NOT having to listen to that nimrod, yokel dick bremer belabor the hell out of a point during the last two games. saturday was national on fox (with no fsn) & sunday was national on espn (with non fsn). ahhhhh.....if only it could be like that 90% of the time!

i did miss bert blyleven though.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 8:58 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 130

Killing time before the late start tonight - here's the bracket for the NCAA baseball tourney. Gophers draw the region hosted by perennial contender and 2004 CWS Champion, Cal-State Fullerton. Best of luck to the Gophers - this would be a great year to make it to Omaha - last year for the great Johnny Rosenblatt stadium.

I grew up in NE, and lived in Omaha for 6 years. For my brothers and I, the CWS was our baseball season, and we loved it. If you have the time (and, these days, the money), I highly recommend the trip. Tailgating with all the fans who make the trip with their respective teams before catching a game - good times.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 9:00 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 131

Every time I see the replay of the Span / Hudson collision, I just cringe. That was inches away from potentially season ending injuries to either or both of them.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 132

Jared, that third picture is just lovely. Well done!!

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 133

Since Betaband mentioned TV, I thought I would go on a small rant regarding "Circle Me Bert" signs.

To those of you fans who bring "Circle Me Bert" signs...why oh why do you bring those signs when the game is NOT even being televised on FS North/My29, meaning Bert is not working the game???

I saw so many signs at the game on Saturday, it was a little embarrassing considering Bert was not even calling the game. I am sure there were just as many on Sunday night for the ESPN game...

If you are going to put that much effort into making a sign and holding it up throughout the game, at least make sure you bring it to a game that Bert is working on FS North/My29.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 10:36 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 134

1.) joe mauer: i know you are mr. mvp and mr. routine and everything, but it would be OK for you to swing at the first pitch meatball right down the heart of the plate that you get thrown to you on just about every at bat.

2.) michael cuddyer: i know you are just filling in tonight, but mr. hudson please hurry back. mr. cuddyer at second base (filling in for hudson) has been the unfortunate cause for all three mariner runs thus far in the game. otherwise liriano would likely be pitching a shutout right now.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 10:37 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 135

random super late west coast game post of the night:

1.) if you have the HD Theater channel, i highly recommend watching the isle of man tt motorcycle race. amazing camera shots and riding!

2.) the lady picked up a tub of kozy shack all-natural chocolate pudding at the grocery story tonight......also highly recommended!

;-)

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:18 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 136

man, the twins sure can score no runs with no outs and runners on first & third with the best of them. that was absolutely f-ing pathetic!

me shaking my head in disgust........

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 137

Yup, another blown opportunity with first and third, no outs, and three consecutive first pitch dribblers to third. Shameful... Now Rausch in and gives up a double, single score 5-4, ish!

Observation: The older days at the metrodome, and other ballparks as well, they used to have all MLB teams posted on the outfield wall, the Twins put advertising out there and moved those banners to the facade in front of the suites around homeplate. Have they done anything like this at TF? I haven't noticed it, wasn't really looking for it either..

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:32 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 138

Bert with another Madden comment tonight: "Michael Cuddyer with the solo home run with no one on base."

Nice finish to tonight's game by the Twins defense. I think Rauch is leaving off where Nathan left off. Giving us a nice scare before getting the job done, with stellar defense behind him.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:36 PM by TK Highlight this comment 139

nice work morneau!

man, that game was "this close" to starting out just like last year's seattle & oakland road trip. i.e. the twins had a lead or a big lead in virtually all of those games against the mariners and athletic's and then managed to crap them (not sure if it was all of the games) away in the last two innings or so with poor bullpen pitching and missing out on adding late runs to seal the win (oddly reminiscent of tonight).

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 140

*RIGHT NOW* Morneau= Gold Glove AND Mvp.. The guy is playing bigger than the whole world and how Texeira is out-voting him is a joke.

Posted on May 31, 2010 at 11:40 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 141

Letting idiots vote has seldom worked out well.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 12:27 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 142

letting idiots vote in a city of 8 million homers has seldom worked.....or produced accurate results..........

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 12:55 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 143

Lots of "Circle Me Bert" signs at games simply because not everyone has the Twins at the top of their priority list. Yeah, they like the Twins, but they don't study every little, minute aspect, like which network the game is on. On this point, I tend to give folks a break. If sports isn't the MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THEIR LIVES, they have their priorities strait, and my hat's off to them.
However, having sat behind people in St. Louis with a huge "Circle Me Bert" banner last summer, I get annoyed at how they'll stand there throughout the entire inning break holding up that damned banner, and blocking the view of everyone behind them.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 06:06 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 144

Rick - Back in the old Metropolitan Stadium days, my Mom's trick was to boil up the hotdogs right before leaving home and pour the hot water and the dogs into a thermos. She brought along the buns and condiments and we had hot hotdogs at the game for next to no cost. It's a low tech solution, but it worked and kept things cheap. Just don't forget to bring a pair of tongs if you decide to go that route. :-)

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 09:20 AM by Syzygy Highlight this comment 145

best food @ tf that no one mentions: the nachos in the town ball tavern. ten bucks, but really a huge pile enough for two. lots of guac. good stuff.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 146

I've found the food in the Town Ball Tavern quite good. That really is a cool spot to hangout. A little patio in the back, lots of room, large beer selection, plenty of waitresses.

Do people have experience at Hrbek's? I usually just keep on walking as it has lines out the door. What is on the menu there? I know about the Rex burger and the onion rings, but what else is available??

I went into the Metropolitan Club on Sunday night for the 1st time during a game (been in there several times on other occasions). They really need to do something about that long line leading out the door. I asked the guy at the back of the line what they were waiting for and he said for the food. So I walked right past everyone just to check out the bar(s) and the various patios to hangout. Once inside there were scores of open tables. Could all of these possibly be held for reservations?? Overall it is large and offers a nice spot to have a cold one (especially for that hour after the game).

Walked by Ahern's Pub on 2nd Ave S after the game. They have a long way to go on the buildout. I have to imagine that is a 1 million+ project and there looks to be no way they are open at any point this season...

Lastly, just outta curiosity what has been everyone's favorite pregame/postgame spot around the Warehouse District/North Loop?

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 11:18 AM by Max Highlight this comment 147

Max,

I like "Drink" for Thursday-Saturday and Applebee's ($2 tallboys)

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM by TK Highlight this comment 148

where is Applebee's located? Anyone ever been to Sneaky Pete's? i would like to go there after my next game on July 2nd.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 149

Vikeologist, BlockE

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM by TK Highlight this comment 150

Vikeologist - Applebees is located in Block E, 2nd level.

I have had good luck at Brothers (2 for 1's) and Sneaky Petes before games. Since I drink beer, it doesn't matter what bar I go to as beer will be beer regardless of what establishment I go to.

I have also stopped at Hubert's several times and bought some $4 16oz cans. You can only buy 1 at a time, but I see several people carry them outside and up to the Plaza and drink them on the plaza.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 12:09 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 151

Drink probably has the best food/drink specials. Sneaky Pete's is fine too if you're fine with feeling like a dirtbag for an hour or two.

Applebees is in Block E on the second floor. I've been going to Rock Bottom and using the free drinks that are on the back of half of my season tickets. I've always liked their food.

The Loon is a good spot to hit right before going in as well for a Grape Ape or two.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 152

I'm a big fan of Cuzzy's (North Loop @ 5th and Washington), but that's because I've been going there for lunch almost every day for four years... :-)

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 153

Luce had been doing $3 any Summit tap(4 to choose from right now) all day long on game days(not just if you have a stub like some other places, not just if you're wearing Twins gear), but I'm not sure how that will change now that it's June. I've never had a problem finding plenty of spots at the bar, but the dining room seems to getting more traffic now, both pre and post game.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 1:45 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 154

Yes definitely a fan of the "By the slice" at Pizza Luce. Good beer selection and a touch off the beaten path so the crowds are enormous.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 2:22 PM by Max Highlight this comment 155

i assume you have all done your daily twins duty and made sure to go and vote for the twins and only the twins 25 times on mlb.com???

it is very easy to quickly vote the 25 times. once you fill in the AL ballot the first time (i used the write in option for jim thome at DH since i think he has a better chance of actually making it to the all-star game on name recognition than jason kubel does) all your selections are saved in the memory. so each time you go back to vote they are already filled in for you and you don't have to do it all over again. second, you don't even have to actually vote for the NL all-stars if you don't want to and want to save more time.

so you can speed through 25 votes fairly quickly and with only a couple clicks each time you vote.

click on my name for a direct link to the mlb voting portal.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 2:28 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 156

actually, let me restate that. it would probably be best to just vote for jason kubel afterall since i don't think too many people are going to be thinking about the extra effort of filling in the write-in section when they see jason kubel's name already listed in the DH section of the voting. we are lazy creatures afterall.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 2:35 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 157

one last fyi. it is 25 times per email address. so the solution there is to just make up some random emails (i.e. abcd@gmail.com, abcd@yahoo.com, abcd@hotmail.com, etc. etc. and in theory you can vote as many times as your little heart desires.

and don't think for a second that the chumbalones in new york aren't using this work around strategy for voting multiple times for their guys........folks in minneapolis can and should be too.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 2:41 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 158

Seems like a lot of work. Isn't the whole thing rigged anyway?

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM by Rick 159

"it is very easy to quickly vote the 25 times"

And --- it guarantees that you will be pestered for the rest of your life by the hundred fifty-eight thousand entities they sell your address to.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:01 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 160

why do you feel like a dirtbag for a few hours at Sneaky Pete's?

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:08 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 161

Because it's a dirtbag hang out. If you notice, the clientelle before/after games is probably 90% dudes who are there to creep on 21 year old bartenders.

Also the preying grounds of that rapist from Shoreview that has been in the news lately.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 162

I concur that Sneaky Pete's can be skeezy, but they usually have good "specials" if you like Miller Lite or something along those lines.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:23 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 163

rick: it really isn't much work at all. i just voted 25 times and it took less than 5 minutes.

hey mr. smart guy ben: ahhhh.....no it does not. one does not even have to use their real email address if they don't want to. one can make up 10 different email addresses and vote 250 times for the various twins players if they want to.

and even if one does use their real email address(es) there is a box you just uncheck to tell them you don't want to receive any emails of any kind. problem solved. but in your rather conspiracy laden world view (i.e. your personal issues with twins ownership, how the stadium was "secretly" constructed, mlb, etc.) i am not sure even that is enough "assurance" for someone like you!

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:24 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 164

What does everybody feel about the Marlins selling tickets to a game that already happened (when Roy Halladay perfect-gamed them Saturday)?

I agree with the columnist of the attached piece: "The buyer redefines what P.T. Barnum said about a sucker being born every minute. These are people paying full value for a worthless bit of cardboard as a "souvenir" of a game they did not attend. As a memorabilia investment the ticket's value is negligible. As a memory, it's a fraud."

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:25 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 165

Beta ---

I have a couple of bridges available. Something for you to ponder while sipping your beverage.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:37 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 166

Sneaky Petes is good pre game. Sure it's right next to dream girls but hey they have great cheap muchies. Like a plate full of tater tots for $2.00 and onion rings mini corndogs etc. I think they jacked the bottle beer up to $3.00 now. You can get a 20oz can of Bud light for same price. Been there a couple of times before games. Not sure what it's like post games. Kieran's Irish Pub is nice spot after games. Have huge patio out front also and draws a nice crowd!

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:51 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 167

Badjuggler - you just beat me to it. I was about to pose the same question. I think it is ridiculous for anyone to want to buy those tickets, especially at face value based on the seat location. The only people I could see really wanting to buy them would be people who would put them in a frame with a photo of the game, etc, and then try to resell them. If you weren't there, why would you want it? There must be some kind of demand for it, though.

Another question on this, though. On 4/15/2000 Cal Ripken got hit #3,000 at the Metrodome. It seems to me, though I might be wrong, that the Twins also sold unused game tickets to that game (attendance was under 19k). My memory is fuzzy, but I am thinking they sold whatever they had for a set price (say $10 a ticket) but I'm not sure. Would MLB have rules about the team selling tickets under face value, even though the game already took place?

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:55 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 168

That would probably be Kool-Aid.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 169

The Twins have been known to sell game tickets after the fact for full price. It's probably a common practice - you want it they will sell it. I think there is always a market for event tickets regardless. eBay plays a role. Bobbleheads with game ticket are more desirable than those without.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 4:07 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 170

Just like tickets (and everything else) the only price which matters for a stub is the one someone is willing to pay.

Frankly, I think it's quite shrewd on the part of the Marlins. They have -- quite literally -- nothing to lose.

As for All-Star voting, I think I could write a quick script which would generate as many unique and untraceable votes as I wanted for any particular player.

Even if I couldn't manage it, some motivated player or superfan could certainly hire somebody to do it for them, right? (I'm saying this because I think it wouldn't be that tough.) My hunch is that a lot of that goes on.

This raises the question of just what MLB's systems people have done to prevent or even just account for such abuse. Based on our earlier experiences with ticket lotteries and their passwords, I'm guessing that if they've done anything at all, it wouldn't be that hard to circumvent.

Beyond that, even if the voting were 100% fair and controlled, wouldn't it follow that players from the largest markets would get the most votes? If the Yankee fan base is eight times the size of the Twins fan base, I'd kind of expect Teixiera to get more votes than Morneau -- regardless of performance.

And that leads me to suspect that the whole voting process is really just for fun. In the end, Bud and Joe and Charlie will sit down and draw up the rosters -- probably based somewhat on how the voting looks, but hardly tied directly to it. And, actually, that seems like a pretty good way to do it (though my preference would be to simply bring the players with the best stats at each position).

I'll never forget poring over my All-Star ballot when I was 10, feeling like the holes I punched out had to be carefully considered because they could determine which players got to go to the game. I remember taking one last long look at it before slipping it into the slot at my local drug store, then crossing my fingers.

Sadly, I think those days are gone.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM by Rick 171

Bad question probably, and one that's probably been dealt with already - but is TBT like Hrbek's...only open after the gates open, or is there a street entrance with regular operating hours on non-game days?

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 4:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 172

Be careful in Sneaky Pete's too...some of their bartenders are less than honest.

They will pull the give you change for a $10 when you gave them a $20. If it's busy they can get away with it, and they do. Have heard of it happening to quite a few people.

I have been there, and they do have good deals--I'd just rather not hang around in there and give them my business. To each his own though.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 173

Aside from my question about TBT - Badjuggler, this is the part that really gets me. According to the Marlins website, the attendance figure is going to be tampered with, because they are selling the extra tickets online, because they are still getting revenue from sold tickets.

Which means there's going to be tons of "Unused Tickets to Halladys perfect game" listed on eBay going for an ass-load. The Marlins really should have capitalized on it, and after the perfect game, destroyed the unsold tickets. There weren't very many people there, and it creates more value for a ticket when there are only 13,000 legitimate ones out there. Technically, you can't even call these extra tickets "unused" or even "unsold." I agree with you, it was a bad idea.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM by luke Highlight this comment 174

Brothers on the inside isn't even worth it unless you're about 24 and on the make, but they do have a patio/alley type thing if you head down 5th Street towards the park. It wasn't very crowded when we were there after the Friday night Rangers game and it was nice to carry on a conversation without having to shout in order to be heard by the other people at the table. The vibe was nice and completely different than inside. On a bad note, the wait service was fairly indifferent although there was no waiting at the bar. That the place is so quiet is nice for a postgame drink, but has to worry Brothers after the expense of building that alley. Speaking of which, a couple doors down...

Walked by Ahern's Pub on 2nd Ave S after the game. They have a long way to go on the buildout. I have to imagine that is a 1 million+ project and there looks to be no way they are open at any point this season...

Ahern's just fascinates me because it seems like it is so clearly a disaster in the making. The expense of the build out combined with its location makes me wonder how it will ever generate enough revenue to pay the principle, let alone the interest. The family has bar/restaurant experience via ownership of the Melting Pot franchise elsewhere downtown, but that is a horse of a different color compared to what they're building now.

An interesting Ahern's sidenote is that they are utilizing an outfit called the Irish Pub Company that specializes in designing Irish bars to ensure that they have just the right look and feel. They design to order, but still ensure certain features are included in a manner that seems no different than how an Applebee's or Ruby Tuesday might design their spaces.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 5:02 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 175

If the marlins destroyed all the unused tickets for the halliday game, what, exactly would be working to their advantage? The used tickets are no longer in their hands, so there's really nothing for them to capitalize on. Only the people who hung on to their stubs would reap any benefit from them.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 6:20 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 176

come join my facebook group titled: Justin Morneau should be #1 in AL All Star voting at 1st Base-NOT TEIXEIRA!

it's a cause i believe in. I may have a voting contest of my own and give away my tickets to a game - still working on that.

In the meantime, click my name and join - just to be supportive of a fellow BMer. Ok, that didn't sound good, but ya know what i mean. :)

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 6:28 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 177

Well, I think I worded that wrong. The Marlins really, IMO should have NOTHING to gain from this. They are making a profit on a perfect game that was pitched against them. What I meant was that the Marlins should have capitalized on the idea of creating a true collectible by destroying the unused tickets, instead of re-selling 35,000 tickets that weren't even used.
Honestly, it's the Phillies that should be capitalizing on this, and I think if anything, the Marlins should have turned over the tickets to them.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 6:47 PM by luke Highlight this comment 178

I had already your group, Jax. Didn't know it was you :)

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 7:55 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 179

But still, the only people who will realize any benefit from the destruction of the remaining tickets would be those people who still have the used tickets. The value of those tickets would not be reduced because the market was flooded with 35,000 aditional inventory if they remain the only tickets out there. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, destroying the remaining tickets benefits neither team.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 8:02 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 180

For clarity, there are no tickets to be destroyed. Any tickets that the Marlins sell now will have to be printed -- probably by you on your own printer.

And, if you are the Marlins, wouldn't you be happy to see the market for these ticket stubs heavily diluted? I mean, it can't be a happy day when a ticket stub from a game in which your team couldn't get anybody to first base sells on Ebay for, say, $10,000...

Then again, the Phillies will split the profit on these ticket stubs, the same way they would with regular gate sales.

Now, messing with the attendance stats is another thing altogether. That should not be allowed -- but we've had this discussion before.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 8:06 PM by Rick 181

Joined your group, Jax, despite my overall cynicism about the All-Star voting process. (I bet some of the folks in that group might like to join the Facebook BPM group...)

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM by Rick 182

Indoor baseball tonight! Let's got for 6 in a row!

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 9:01 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 183

i truly love how some here make over-the-top and often clueless blanket statements (which to me often sound more like personal agendas against various places than reality) about this bar or that restaurant around minneapolis, as if people really care or are going to take their word as relgion. anyways, carry on.

jorge - i didn't know you had recently published a book about "who will and who will not make it in the bar/restaurant/pub industry". what is the title of it again? and what book company was it that picked it up? i forget........

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 9:04 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 184

Couple of questions for the Ballpark experts: Anyone know about the first row railing on the Overlook? Is it considered one of the too high rails, not a problem, or just a little iffy for shorties? Also, where do we think the obstructed seats are in the right field bleachers? Medium to high rows near the overlook I suppose. Section 139. And related, do we know how many seats are in the rows next to the Overlook, and do they also start with seat 1 on the right hand side from the perspective of looking onto the field? thanks in advance.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 9:57 PM by robin Highlight this comment 185

Interesting - mlb.com says its tied 1-1 in the middle of the 3rd; espn.com says Twins are up 1-0 in the middle of the 3rd. Which one is right? (The wife monopolizes the TV with those damn Bravo shows at night)

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 10:10 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 186

1-1. Morneau just hit a moonshot in the top of 3.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 10:14 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 187

Robin,

I sat in the front row of the Overlook on BallparkMagic night. The railing was a complete non-issue:


Posted on June 1, 2010 at 10:15 PM by Rick 188

Gracias - my relationship with espn.com GameCast is officially over.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 10:17 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 189

Section 139 is apparently the only section affected by the raised Overlook seats next to it.

As elsewhere in the park, the lowest seat number is next to the section with the lower number. Thus, seat #1 of section 139 is adjacent to the highest number seat of section 138.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 10:27 PM by Rick 190

The feeble Mariners are knocking batting practice Blackburn around, now we have to face Cliff Lee and King Felix it looks like 1-3 in Seattle, against the second worst team in the league. Good thing the Tigers are sucking right now!

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 10:43 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 191

Thanks, Rick. Your explanation of the seating order is much more elegant than mine. And it looks like the lower-numbered section (or lower-lettered) is always to the right (facing the field) of the higher-numbered. For Section 139, right field bleachers, I wonder if it's pretty much all rows (with lower numbered seats) or starting with the rows after 5 or 10 or so?

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM by robin Highlight this comment 192

A while back people were talking about ballparks that they have been to and what parks they have liked best. My wife and I have started our tradition of going to a ballpark each summer. This summer will be our 3rd trip for our second anniversary, as we are going to Detroit.

I usually go through craigslist or other sources to find tickets, go to priceline for hotels, and schedule a couple site visits to the various places we've been (Chicago-Sox/St. Louis).

This year we are using a company that has set up the whole trip for a set price that includes: Transportation, hotel, tickets, VIP Buffet at game.

I am wondering if anyone has done something similar? Click name for information on who we went with.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 11:21 PM by TK Highlight this comment 193

"Batting Practice Blackburn"? Already counting the next two games as losses? Seriously, how are you even a fan with that kind of attitude? Why do you even watch baseball if it's all foretold ahead of time and everything is doom and gloom?

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 11:32 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 194

syzygy...we did the same thing at Cleveland Stadium. Brought our own thermos of hot dogs, plus cooler of ice, 2L bottles of pop...even our own bottles of Stadium Mustard. Vendors must have hated us.

Posted on June 1, 2010 at 11:51 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 195

because firedog knows how the Twins play on the road against teams outside of the AL Central division. I also would not be surprised one bit if they end up 1-3 in Seattle. It's simply how the Twins seem to roll when they play games outside the AL Central, specifically, on the road. You throw in the likely/usual "getaway day lineup" on Thursday and its obvious the Twins are looking for a loss on Thursday.

I am just getting tired of this Punto/Harris/Casilla/Tolbert 2B/3B by-committee approach. The Twins will simply not win in October with that lack of depth.

I am by no means jumping on/off the bandwagon. Even when the Twins have won, I have not been happy with that Punto/Harris/Casilla/Tolbert platoon because I know that the lack of depth will hurt the team come September and October. Not to mention, our closer has been getting exposed lately as well.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:03 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 196

I will never understand the people who turn baseball into negativity. If it's going to make you so pissed off and angry, why even follow it? If had a hobby that made me angry, I would simply stop paying attention to it and find something else to fill my time. Now, that's not to say you have to view everything through rose-colored glasses and have everything duckies and bunnies, but the constant negativity is just too much.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:23 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 197

I think fans, especially those paying good money, are entitled to see their team make a good account of themselves, win or lose. The other side of the coin, of course, is that seeing "your team" play a good ballgame is really all you can expect. It is my belief that fans do, at times, get cheated (perhaps not the best choice of words) in this regard and when that is the case they have every right to feel as though they have, at least, been let down. I cite (again) that Sunday game against the Brewers as an example of the Twins disregarding their obligation to the fans, disrespecting the game of baseball, and generally insulting anyone who attended. Sorry if that offends but that's the way I saw it.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 01:33 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 198

Being a fan doesn't mean that you accept everything your team does as a positive. You can get mad at your team because you are a little fanatical (root of 'fan'). I can't understand how anyone who is a true fan can always see the glass as half full. There are times when your team stinks. I think a true fan acknowledges this, and thanks to their dedication to said team feels anger, frustration and dismay at their foibles.
To blithely walk around assuming your team will always prevail demonstrates either supreme optimism, or a dogged refusal to look facts squarely in the face.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 02:44 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 199

This Target Field is not a fair park for home runs thing is starting to get to me. The right field wall extends a little further towards center field than the dome, yeah, but its still only 365 feet to the power alley for gosh sakes. Everyone should quit complaining and just play baseball. I know I am not a major league player playing at Target Field but I would just hate it if Target Field ever became a bandbox.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 06:42 AM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 200

I've seen the Twins lose some damn fine, well played, ballgames - lots of them over the years, and enjoyed watching. But, basically throwing one by way of line-up construction or bone-headed and stubborn managerial decisions is not something the fan should be required to accept.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 06:50 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 201

Buffalo you must be drinking the kool-aid or have not been a Twins fan very long. This team always struggles in Seattle whether the Mariners are good or bad and they usually struggle in Oakland to for that matter. Mike is right we need to fix that black hole at 3rd and closer or we will get killed in October.Rausch isnt fooling anybody. It would be nice to get a number 1 starter too. Maybe we could get Cliff Lee from Seattle if they fall out of the race.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 07:27 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 202

Instant Win Streak Killer: Brendan Harris

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 08:12 AM by twinswschamps2010 Highlight this comment 203

Ben, I think you are being a little dramatic. However, I see your point about throwing away ballgames due to line-up decisions. I think Gardy does feel it's "okay" to lose some games. Last night's game felt like one of those.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 08:39 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 204

If it's being a "true fan" to give up on your team before the games are even played, I guess I'm not a true fan despite cheering for this team my entire life.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 08:53 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 205

Jim - How was last nights game one that Gardy was ok to lose?? That is such a cop out. Blackburn pitched like complete shit, our bats were dead, and once again we couldn't hit with RISP. The team deserved to lose the game. The only other option that Gardy could have gone with is Tolbert instead of Harris. That would not have been the difference in the game. You're not going to put Thome in the lineup when his numbers against lefties is dismal.

Yeah, there are things that Gardy does that I don't agree with at all, but he doesn't go into a game and feel that it is ok to lose the game. Everyone needs to remember that these players, coaches etc. are all human. They make mistakes and half off days.

O yeah, by the way, the Twins are in 1st place by 4.5 games in their division and have one of the best records in baseball. PS. They are also 7-2 vs. the West so far this year.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 09:25 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 206

Trosy - the AL Central division is terrible as we all know and the Twins are just a 16-13 team outside of the AL Central Division.

Teams above .500

Boston: 2-3
NY Yankees: 2-4
Toronto:

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 09:43 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 207

Toronto: 1-1
Detroit: 4-2
Texas: 3-0

And Detroit is just 26-25 so that team is nothing impressive either. Yes, the Twins are beating the teams they should beat, but they also have not proven they can beat the big boys either, especially on the road.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 09:46 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 208

They're still in 1st place and have one of the best records in baseball...and people still bitch and moan...I don't get it.

Yes, I think that we need a new 3B. Yes, I feel that we need a true ace. Yes, I think Jesse Crain should be gone, Yes. I think Gardy makes some very questionable decisions. BUT I DON'T BITCH AND MOAN!!

Remember, from the mouth of our golden boy Joe Mauer, "If you make it to the playoffs, anything can happen." Win the division, make the playoffs. That is the 1st step.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 209

"Anything can happen" is tired. Tired to the point of being a cop-out. Why not take steps to control your destiny?

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:27 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 210

Twins need to finish at least 3-2 the remainder of this road trip. Would be nice to slap Mr. Lee around and then steal the getaway game vs Seattle. Oakland always seems to play us tough! Detroit seems to be melting down. However lots of teams got through these streaks! I think we should look to send Mahay and Crain packing and look at a couple of other guys. Also not sold on Casilla or Harris either. Be interesting to see if Nesheck is cooked for good. Herman Munster aka Raush looks like he may get some competition from Duensing here real soon me thinks if Herman continues to struggle with that overwhelming 82 mph fastball!!!!!!!! Just my 2 cents worth!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:42 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 211

Wow some passionate discussion this morning. One thing I'll add is that this team is NOT losing games because of the #8 and #9 hitters. The Twins lose at times because their pitchers can't keep the ball in the ballpark (last night for example falls squarely on the shoulders of Nick Blackburn). They are also unfortunately hitting too many solo HRs, GIDP, and not hitting worth a sh!t with runners in scoring position. These things are cyclical. Over the course of the season they tend to even out thereby weeding out the pretenders from the contenders. I'd be thrilled if the Twins played to a .600 clip (97 wins) over the course of the season. Especially when you consider some of the injuries that have to be overcome during the course of a 162 game season.

I think some of the fans' frustration (and I share this sentiment) is from the Twins' "eagerness" to just make the playoffs. The goal is not to get in the dance and get slapped around by the Empire from the Bronx. The goal, especially after all these years of AL Central Titles, is to win the World Series. You must shape your roster to WIN in October, not just make it there. This vintage of the Twins has some glaring holes in October. You need a #1 especially in a 5 game series. You need a solid guy to finish games (Rocketman Rauch is NOT acceptable). You need a little bit of luck in regards to your team health.

I don't think there is any question this team will win the AL Central. The rubber meets the road when you finally come to terms that THAT isn't good enough anymore. You must win World Series (and I'd argue if you don't the season is a failure).

The problem, as I believe Rick has pointed out in the past, is that it appears that ownership may be okay with winning AL Central titles and the fans want World Series titles. By this I mean that the Pohlad's need the team to be good enough to continue to fill seats and win games thereby "teasing" the fans enough to keep showing up and spending $$$. The fans want to WIN now. This means occasionally in a franchise's history you "go for it". You maybe trade a prospect for a #1 pitcher at the deadline. You make a splash in free agency. You spend a bit more than you had hoped outside of the budget to get that one or two players who will put you over the top. This is where the ultimate rub is for me.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:03 AM by Max Highlight this comment 212

And I think if it were that easy to find a #1 ace or a lockdown closer, every team would have one. Plus, I think the hand-wringing over Rauch has reached a laughable level. Has he looked a little shaky the last few appearances? Yes, but he still only has two blown saves, one of which he pitched another inning to get the win. Until he starts blowing saves more often, I would hold off on the "Rocketman Rauch" comments and saying he's been "exposed."

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:18 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 213

C'mon Buffalo you can't possibly be that clueless. Just take off the blinders for a quick moment and look at the last several outings from Rauch. Virtually every ball is a "rocket" hit off him. If the Twins didn't get extraordinarily lucky by having those balls hit right at their fielders (and the law of averages says this won't continue to happen) they lose several of those ballgames. He is right in the middle of the plate, teams are squaring up his pitches, and hitting line drives all over the park. This is plain as day. The experiment has to end soon. Rauch does NOT have overpowering, electric stuff. The Twins are playing with fire right now biding time until they have another option. Rauch is a perfectly fine 6th or 7th inning guy. He is being exposed right now. These aren't bloopers or broken bat singles. Guys are hitting absolute shots off him in just about every at bat. There isn't a case of "jumping to conclusions" here. In fact, I think it says a lot that this RANT isn't following a blown save.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:37 AM by Max Highlight this comment 214

I think Gardy does have a short leash on the big boy! I really like the job Duensing has done. Has Herman got to Ron Davis like territory yet? Nope but it is far from snapper mow em down innings like! Fer sure the last few outings have been very very shakey!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:46 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 215

Originally Posted By betaband
i truly love how some here make over-the-top and often clueless blanket statements (which to me often sound more like personal agendas against various places than reality) about this bar or that restaurant around minneapolis, as if people really care or are going to take their word as relgion. anyways, carry on.

jorge - i didn't know you had recently published a book about "who will and who will not make it in the bar/restaurant/pub industry". what is the title of it again? and what book company was it that picked it up? i forget........[/b]

Betaband, you had a choice. You could have responded maturely with a calm rebuttal. Or, if my comments so offended you, there was always the option of using the "ignore" feature. However, you instead reverted to your tired old habit of acting like the internet tough guy who uses the relative anonymity of a username to say things to people you would never have the courage to say in person while generally acting like a bully who wants to be the cool guy in the room at the expense of others. Your act is worn out. Give it, and everyone else, a well deserved rest.

As to your challenge, I have no agenda at all about any particular bar or restaurant and never claimed to. My work from a vendor standpoint locally and family out of state who are directly in the business have given me a first hand look at the challenges of the bar/restaurant industry. It doesn't make me an expert, but it provokes thought while observing the many new establishments near Target Field. Just as other people wonder about how Target Field will deal with heavy crowds on the 100 level concourse, which concession items may get dropped as time goes on, and how to fix the obstructions to front row seats in the upper tiers, I wonder about which bars and restaurants may not succeed as time goes on and how the owners may be affected.

Never knew it would stir up such emotion in others.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:58 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 216

In the immortal words of Mike Tice: "Enjoy the season." People have to start realizing baseball is not football. Professional baseball players play 162 games - even the BEST teams lose 62 times!! It's a looong season, and there are peaks and valleys, and that's why an even keel philosophy is more than just a cliche. Good teams will look bad from time to time (look at the Phillies right now, they couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat - one of my favorites, BTW) Yes, the Twins have holes, yes I wish we had a proven streak stopping #1 starter, a stud closer, and a better hitting 3B. But, the Twins are one of the top 5 teams right now (by any measurement). I think as a fan, that's good enough for me. We are not and never will be the Yankees or Red Sox, but do you realize the Twins payroll is higher than the Dodgers? Make the playoffs and anything COULD happen. I don't drink the Kool - Aid, I'm just a baseball fan who has realistic expectations.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM by ole Highlight this comment 217

What have the Twins done any different this year to make you think they can contend for the AL Pennant?

Outside of their 2-1 Interleague record and their 15-8 division record, they are 14-12 (.538) against the rest of the American League.

We know they can win the AL Central, but at what point do you take that next step?? Winning the AL Central does nothing for me anymore. I would like to see them compete in October and get to an ALCS or World Series.

So yes, the Twins are in "first place" and have "one of the best records" in baseball, but who have they really beaten outside of the AL Central Division??

It's the same thing every year...the only thing saving the Twins is a bad division and an unbalanced schedule. I hate to be so negative, but its the truth.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:21 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 218

The Twins have played, are playing, and will play some really good ball. However, they are like the little girl with the curl. "Off" days are one thing, and no good fan has a problem with those. My point, and perhaps mine alone, is that I think we have seen them in situations where they could have played better but for whatever reasons basically mailed it in and that is not acceptable, at least not to me. I firmly believe there is "good enough" going on here and have said so. Good enough for the team is the AL title and piles of $$$$$$. Good enough for the fans is a better showing in October - hence the loggerheads.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:36 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 219

So, they're 14-12 against the rest of the AL; at what point are you happy? 15-11? 16-10? 17-9?

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:41 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 220

*Yawn* That's how tired some of your complaints are.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 221

Mike - It only takes a .579 winning percentage in the playoffs to win the World Series. (11-8)

Also, we are 31-21 with quite a few players under performing and a lack of clutch hitting for the team as a whole. These far less then average stats (Hits with RISP, BA with Bases Loaded) that the Twins have right now almost always even themselves out over the course of the season. If that holds true, and some of the players start playing where they should be, we are going to have a lot more 5, 6, 7 game win streaks coupled with a couple loses. It is WAY to early to start thinking about how we would perform in the playoffs. After July, if we are still sitting 10 to 12 games above .500 with losing records in games vs. both the east and the west (still have 7 against the Rays in the east. 4 vs. Toronto to end the season), then yes, I think it will be a struggle in the playoffs again.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:54 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 222

Jesus Christ people!!!!!!!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 12:57 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 223

It's great to watch how the discussion changes when 1. The Twins go on the road and 2. They lose.

When there's no concession lines, hot dogs, weather, or sightlines to discuss things tend to stray...

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 224

Hey, the Twins are leading their division, be happy. They have the 3rd best record in baseball, be happy. Yet, imagine where they would be if they played to their potentional, things could get scary for the rest of the AL. Either close or Leads the league in runners left in scoring position (like last night), if we could hit the ball with when we have guys on base, and I dont mean a first pitch tapper to the third (or shortstop when cuddy is at the plate) we could do some serious damage to some ballclubs. Pitching hasn't been lights out but have done plenty to give us chances to win, and blacky was 5-1 in May, he just had a bad outting (momma said they're be days like this). Let's accept one indisputable truth about our Twins- 1. The season is a marathon, not a race 2. Our Twins are largely leading it and they'll only get better, history is in our favor, and were far better loaded this year than the augie ojeda, terry tiffee days..

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 1:30 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 225

I'd hate to see how some of you would react if the Twins were sucking this season and in last place. Hell, judging from the reaction from how they've played so far I think some of you would literally be on ledges.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 1:44 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 226

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't the Twins been to the post season five times now in the past few years and been sent packing in the ALDS? For Mauer to say that "anything can happen" would imply to the average fan that during those five playoff appearances the law of averages would allow for the Twins to make it past the initial round at least once purely by dumb luck and the whims of fate. Yet they haven't. I'm beginning to think that "anything can happen" is more a reference to how the Twins will inevitably be dispatched by the Yanks from one year to the neext. They may win one game; they may go the full five games; or they may get swept. Or maybe, just maybe, they'll get beat by the Red Sox
For Mauer's words to hold any hope for fans, we should interpret them to mean, "Once we get there, hope for a miracle."
Constructing a team that will win its division is only half the job.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 1:54 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 227

I fail to see why some think it's not OK to critique what we have while hoping for better. One of the huge reasons things have gone the way they have is that Twins fans typically settle for what they get and therefore get what they settle for.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 228

Buffalo, if they were losing the fans would still show up and continue to praise Gardenhire and admire Nick Punto because Twins fans have become so soft the last few years and most of them are very happy with simply winning the AL Central title and nothing else.

The media in this market is very soft as well as most of them are some of the biggest homers around and afraid to call out any of the organizations/coaches/players.

So many people wanted to fire Brad Childress two years ago but yet we are ok with Ron Gardenhire's 2-12 playoff record in his last four divisional series appearances?

The Wild fans continue to fill up the Xcel Center after years of mediocrity by that organization.

It's time for fans in this market to take off the shades and open their eyes and raise some expectations and hold these teams accountable.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 229

Criticism? Yeah, fine. They sucked last night and it was disappointing to watch.

But, constant negativity? Why do those people even follow the team?

To me, it's not "critiquing the team" to say things like "Batting Practice Blackburn" when he has one bad start or just concede they are going to lose the next two games before they are even played.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:19 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 230

I reserve the have to win in the playoffs line for basketball and hockey. In those sports over half of the teams make the playoffs. In baseball making the playoffs is an accomplishment. In the first round you are playing one of the best teams in baseball and either team can win.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:20 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 231

Trosy,
to say that "It only takes a .579 winning percentage in the playoffs to win the World Series. (11-8)," is not exactly correct. You can't lose eight in a row, and then win the next 11 and win the World Series. I know that every single person that's a regular here already knows this, but statistically speaking, specifically, it takes a .600 winning percentage (3-2) in the first round (LDS) over the course of the first 5 games, or until you win 3 games, which ever comes first, and then the win percentage requirements reset. In the second round (LCS) and World Series, it takes a .571 winning percentage (4-3) in each series to win. So win percentage-wise, the 1st round is actually just a bit harder to get past than the 2nd round.

But anyone who watches baseball for the whole season, year in and year out, also knows that simply being a good team means nothing once October comes. We all bitch and moan about the Yankees, but before last year, they were one of the best teams in baseball, year in and year out, for close to a decade, making it to the playoffs in 7 of 8 seasons without winning the World Series. The Twins just went to the playoffs in 4 of those same 8 seasons, so on one hand, you could even say that Yankees fans had more to complain about. (I know, I know, save your vitriol - I hate the Yankees and Yankees fans just as much as you do).

It's also terribly hard to have any sort of reliable approach to winning in the playoffs. People say things like "starting pitching is everything in the postseason," or "winning in the playoffs is just a matter of getting hot at the right time." Both of these statements are probably correct to an extent, but the thing we have to remember is this: by and large, the postseason is a crapshoot. 8 very good baseball teams get to the playoffs, all capable of beating each other at least once or twice, crazy things happen, bugs, rain, cold, delays, injuries, the inexplicable (see: Aaron Boone, Steve Bartman, Bill Buckner), and someone is crowned the winner.

So before you go declaring that the Twins cannot compete in the postseason, go find a penny, flip it five times in a row, do that 100 times, and calculate the odds of flipping 5 heads or 5 tails in a row. Then do the same thing with a penny that has performance anxiety every time it sees a New York Yankees uniform.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:25 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 232

Look on the bright side: You could be an Indians fan AND live in Cleveland.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:35 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 233

How is it that no one has pointed out Dr. X's glaringly incorrect memory of history?

Dr. X,
I will gladly correct you, since you are indeed wrong. The Twins were not sent packing in all five ALDS appearances over the past 8 years, in fact they won the 2002 ALDS, beating '02 Oakland Athletics, arguably the best team in baseball that season, in 5 games.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:36 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 234

And before someone tries to say that I was wrong by saying the "The Twins just went to the playoffs in 4 of those same 8 seasons," I was referring to the seasons of 2001-2008, seasons in which the Yankees did not win the World Series, which of course, does not include last year.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 2:38 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 235

The Twins have 2 league MVP's in the prime of their careers. How many teams can say that. Yet everybody is just happy winning the mediocre AL Central. Why not make a splash for a front line starter and a good closer and go for a World Championship. We have a new stadium bringing in the revenue that we didnt have at the dome, so there should be no more excuses. Yeah we are in 1st place, but big deal if we win the AL Central again, as fans we should want more than division titles we should want World Series titles. There is 1 champion and then there are the other 29 teams. With the team we have now I just dont see it getting done in the post season. Our starters are a bunch of #2 and #3 starters. We need a true #1 when you get in a short 5 game series and a closer to close the deal. The league has figured out the smoke and mirrors act that is Jon Rausch!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 236

OK, let's hear some names.

Just who should the Twins pick up, and who should they give up, for:

1. Ace?
2. Closer?
3. Third Base?

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 3:31 PM by Rick 237

fyi - the first game of the minnesota gophers vs. cal-state fullerton CWS baseball series will be on ESPN-U this friday at 10pm CST/8pm PST for those who may want to watch it and/or set their DVR to record it.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 3:37 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 238

1.) ace: cliff lee. the mariners are out of it already and may be looking to get rid of a large contract. i can't recall, but i think the mariners only signed him to a one year deal this season, so sign him before the deadline and then figure out after the season if you want to keep him longterm. i may be wrong about the current contract he has with the mariners though. i might be confusing it with what he had with the phillies before heading to seattle.

2.) closer: heath bell from san diego if the padres fall out of it by mid-july. give up casilla, tolbert, punto and slama in a trade.

3.) third base: that one is a little tougher for me as i am not very well informed as to who is available out on the market or will be come july. perhaps finally give 25 year old danny valencia the chance to come in and play since i "traded away" light hitting little nicky punto in my "closer" scenario to pick up heath bell.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 3:46 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 239

I think the Twins should offer Punto, Harris, and Casilla in a deal for an Ace pitcher or a power hitting 3rd baseman!

That's the problem with trades...we want them to get rid of the junk and get something good in exchange.

If the Twins trade someone like Cuddy, who probably is marketable and would make some sense from a payroll perspective, the rubes would be antsy quick.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 3:50 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 240

Heath Bell for Casilla, Tolbert, Punto and Slama? Either that was an attempt at humor or I'll have what you're smoking.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 3:53 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 241

buff - that is my "terry ryan fleecing special" dream trade scenario!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 3:58 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 242

Names of players I would consider trading: Michael Cuddyer, Delmon Young, Jason Kubel, Kevin Slowey, Jose Mijares, Wilson Ramos or Jose Morales

Players I would trade but most likely would not get much value in return:

Nick Punto
Alexi Casilla
Brendan Harris
Pat Neshek
Glen Perkins

You gotta be realistic and realize if you want value in return, you are going to have to give up some value. You simply can't trade Punto/Harris/Casilla for Cliff Lee or Delmon Young for Adrian Beltre and so on. Some Twins fans like to think they can trade the "junk" and get some value in return.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:00 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 243

Forgot to add Matt Tolbert to Punto/Casilla/Harris list...

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:01 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 244

Rick: It just isn't that simple. There are organizational philosophies that guide how these decisions are made (short and long-term). No matter what we the fans want you have to take into consideration the long standing principles that the Twins have used to become one of the model organizations in baseball (envied by many within the game when you start talking to people).

I will add that I firmly believe we do NOT need any upgrade at 3B. If all Punto did was play Gold Glove caliber defense and hit under the Mendoza line in the 9 hole, I'd have absolutely no issues with that. This Twins team has more than enough offense already.

Now trading for a closer/front line starter is an interesting very complex issue. I think you could reasonably make the argument that Liriano is already the Twins ace. Are you willing to potentially mortgage the future in order to "go for it" this year? Are the trade partners compatible? Are they higher on said prospect than the Twins front office might be internally? Is a high level prospect too much to give up for a rent-a-closer who'll leave for the big bucks in the offseason (albeit with 2 compensatory picks coming to the Twins)?

The Twins don't make too many big flashy moves at the trade deadline or in free agency simply because they can't afford to make mistakes. A big mistake can cripple a medium market team (and that is what MSP is) for years in the future. You see the Twins make mistakes but they aren't the 50-100 million dollar variety. They are 6 million to Mike Lamb or 15 million to Joe Mays, or 1.8 million to Brendan Harris (jury is still out)...

Lastly, there is some value for acquiring a player at the beginning of June as opposed to the end of July. This can work in both ways when looking at how much a team has to give up to acquire their said target. If you trade early (like now) you might be bidding against yourself and pay a higher than necessary price. If you wait until midnight on July 31st you have lots of competition for the marquee players (typically bullpen help and possibly front of the rotation starters) and the price is usually driven up.

The other thing to consider is that the big market teams have the ability to swallow bad debt (or in this case contracts) because of their incredibly large revenue streams. Although this has changed slightly in recent years (teams are starting to realize the benefits to holding onto prospects for the 6 years of team control and relatively low rate of pay during that time creating better cost certainty across the board), at any moment the Yankees/Cubs/Dodgers/Angels/Mets/Red Sox have the ability to trade a high level prospect(s) for an established player knowing full well they can replace that prospect with the veteran or similar player in free agency in the offseason. It is a vicious cycle of imbalance in the marketplace which is a huge huge huge can of worms for another time or blog.

That being said: Here is a list of guys the other teams want which means you have to give something up to get something...

Aaron Hicks
Ben Revere
Kyle Gibson
Wilson Ramos
Angel Morales
Chris Parmalee
Max Kepler
Miguel Angel Sano
Toby Gardenhire (I kid, i kid)...

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:02 PM by Max Highlight this comment 245

Me thinks Cassila, Punto and Harris might get you a lawn mower if lucky!!!! We gotta ton of catchers thats fer sure!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:04 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 246

Any trade talks for an impact player are going to start with one or more of the following: Hicks, Revere, Ramos and Gibson. And it's probably going to take quite a bit more to get it done.

Now, I'd be willing to part with Ramos and Revere plus some other prospects for a shot at Oswalt or Lee, but is that even going to be enough?

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:11 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 247

"It just isn't that simple."

My point, exactly.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:27 PM by Rick 248

mike - i don't believe anyone here suggested that Punto/Harris/Casilla could get the twins a Cliff Lee.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 249

You're correct, Theloniusjoe, the twins didn't get beat in their last five ALDs appearances. But they did get eliminated in their last FOUR ALDS. That doesn't do anything to disuade me from my opinion.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:48 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 250

By the way, how did Steve Bartman make a list ov variables in playoff fortunes? The Cubs choked that one away in the innings following the Bartman catch. And that was game 6. The Cubs lost game 7.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 251

I'd love to see our Twins pick up a "power arm" pitcher someday, either as a starter or out of the 'pen. Liriano is the closest thing we have now, but he's getting most his outs with the slider and not the fastball.

I just want a guy who can step up on the mound and throw 97 or better - someone who doesn't "nibble at the corners and change speeds" like our entire staff does now. Someone who can put some fear into opposing batters!

As for trade bait, I could see Ramos being worth something someday, but that someday might be two years down the road.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 4:56 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 252

WOW...what a blown call by Jim Joyce in Detroit to ruin the perfect game through 8-2/3

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 8:14 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 253

Would Mike Lowell be a reasonable upgrade at Third?

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 8:47 PM by Rick 254

I don't exactly know why, but my stomach literally hurts at the thought of a blown call ending a bid for a perfect game when the f@#king replay is 10 feet away. It feels like my dog just died.

Bud Selig: Get off yer a$$ and do something about this already. Add a replay ump to each crew! (I heard that there's already a fifth ump present at each game in the stands. That's insane!)

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 8:51 PM by Rick 255

Brutal, brutal way to lose a perfect game...

And Selig won't do a thing about it, because he's useless.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 9:05 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 256

Maybe it's just me, but is there something seriously wrong when something as rare as a perfect game seems almost commonplace these days? Three perfect games pitched in the last calendar year, two this season alone, and almost a third by Galarraga.
Well, MLB has always been trying to find ways to speed up the game.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 9:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 257

Since we already know the outcome of the next two games, I decided why even bother watching? Time to catch up on some reading.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 9:46 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 258

No replays! Train the umps better, hold them accountable and get rid of the rotten ones.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 9:50 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 259

We're at a point now where everybody else in the whole world has better information than the umpires who have to make the decision. That's just plain wrong.

Replay is a tool -- a necessary one. Not using it is like saying, "Well, I could use my cell phone, but a telegram is so much more pure. Stop."

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 9:59 PM by Rick 260

Does anyone know anything about http://bargainseatsonline.com/? My mom pulled the trigger on 7/18 tickets and I haven't been able to find much on how legit or not they are.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM by Jesse L Highlight this comment 261

I'd love to see our Twins pick up a "power arm" pitcher someday . . .

We had one, and we traded him.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 262

I totally disagree. The game has been played for 150 years without replay. Should we also put sensors in the ball that will indicate fair/foul? Current technology could probably replace most of the umpires' functions. Where do you draw the line before you suck the soul right out of the game? Then it becomes NFL football.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 263

Cuddy's father in law passed away. Sounds like he's going on the bereavement list and will be out for about 4 games. Valencia gets the call up.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:14 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 264

Luke,
perfect games are anything but commonplace. Just because there have been three in the past calendar year, doesn't mean that pitchers are all that much better, hitters are any worse, or the likelihood of someone pitching a perfect game in the next 12 months is any higher - in fact, it's probably a lot lower! Saying that it seems like they're becoming commonplace would be like saying that when the A's won 22 games that year, it would be just a matter of time before some team wins 40 in a row. When something statistically improbable happens far more often than it is likely, the chances for it to happen again in the near future go DOWN.

If you really think perfect games are becoming commonplace, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. Literally. Go to Vegas and place a bet on the fact that another one will happen within the next month - or two - or calendar year. And let us all know what the odds are. And then play $500 on the slots and tell us how you do, because I mean, you just won like three $20 jackpots in the first five minutes, so you're probably going to keep winning them, right?

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:15 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 265

We could trade Ramos and Manship to Seattle for Cliff Lee. Lee is making $15 million this year and is in the last year of his contract. Then send a couple prospects to Washington for Matt Capps if they fall out of the race. As for 3B I would call up Valencia and give him a chance for a couple months if that doesnt work then look at trades. I think its time to go after a championship now. I would rather have a great chance to win a world series once every five years then just settling for winning the AL central.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:29 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 266

The Twins have scored 1 run now in the last 21 innings.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 267

I don't see Wilson Ramos and Jeff Manship landing you Cliff Lee. You've got to think some other team would come up with a better offer than that. If I were the M's I would never agree to that deal.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:33 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 268

FCOL! Lets get some runs!!!!!!! As the great late Harry Carey would say!!!!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:42 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 269

WOW Detroit pitcher gets robbed of a perfect game with 2 outs as ump misses the call at 1st base!!!!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:47 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 270

Cuddy goes deep! Tied up!!!!!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:49 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 271

Dr. X,
Steve Bartman is included in that list because it was a wacky, unpredictable play that was involved in a playoff game that may or may not have affected the outcome. I know that it was game 6 - I live in Chicago and am reminded of that game far too often. But Bill Buckner's error was also game 6. The Red Sox still had to go out there and lose game 7. I'm not saying Bartman lost the NLCS for the Cubs any more that Buckner lost the World Series for the Red Sox. My point is that the playoffs - Steve Bartman, Bill Buckner, Rockies losing their momentum after winning 21 of 22 games - are an unpredictable, fast-paced, wacky crapshoot. Who knows what's going to happen? It's not regular season baseball, and you can't really prepare for it any more than they all already do.

And Rick, I completely agree. My stomach is churning at that Joyce call right now. But luckylager, the solution isn't to fire the "bad" umpires, because who's to decide who the "bad" umpires are? Is Joyce a "bad" umpire? And if so, is it just because he blew that call? By all accounts, Jim Joyce is a very good umpire. But that doesn't change the fact that what happened tonight affected baseball history.

We need replay, but like Rick said, "...forget how the NFL does things. That model is wrong for MLB from the first moment." Professional Tennis has it right. They still have judges, officials, line judges, etc. But they also have a quick, efficient, and effective replay system that makes sure the better player wins - and that doesn't disrupt the game, nor does it change its "essence." I've been a long time holdout on instant replay in baseball, but since reading Rick's proposed system last fall (after the Phil Cuzzi play, and the lack of quality umpiring in the playoffs in general) I have to say, I've been converted. Everything about the idea for replay articulated in that BPM post of last October 23 allows baseball to stay true to its roots/ideals/essence while improving the game.

Why is that when it comes to some things, baseball fans rabidly hold on to this notion of preserving the essence of the game, but when it comes to other things changing, nobody complains a peep. Stadiums used to be quirkier than hell. The polo grounds had a 500 foot center field fence with giant garage doors on it, old Yankee Stadium had the monuments and big concrete flagpole bases in the field of play. No one wants those things back. Everyone in the stands used to wear a three piece suit and tie, complete with a fedora to games. No one wants to institute a fan dress code requiring that. No ballparks used to have lights. They played every game during the day, because technology required that they do so. But when lights became commonplace, there wasn't a huge backlash against the advent of the night game.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 10:50 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 272

Shit happens.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:00 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 273

Shit happens and Galarraga is one classy dude! AND, the Willie Mays catch by A. Jackson beats Buerhle's between-the-legs play for play of the year so far! WOW!!!!

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:14 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 274

Holy hell, I remember proposing going after Garrett Atkins in the offseason. He's batting 214 with a staggering .294 OBP...

It's safe to say I would make a horrible G.M.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:27 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 275

Some people were clamoring for Chone Figgins too. He better start hitting if he's going to earn that $8.5 million deal Seattle gave him.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:32 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 276

Sorry, that should be $8.5 mil just for this year for Figgins. He's actually got a four-year, $36 million deal. Thank god that was too rich for the Twins' blood.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:33 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 277

F&*%$ing Umpires. Dale Scott blew that call, and blew the game. Josh Wilson was out at 2nd.

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:59 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 278

Wow...wow...wow...Looks like MLB is hiring...

Posted on June 2, 2010 at 11:59 PM by TK Highlight this comment 279

Unbelieveable. That wasn't even that close!

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 12:01 AM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 280

Bad day for umpiring in the AL Central.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 12:08 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 281

From what I understand, umpires are trained to watch the bag and listen for the "pop" of the ball landing in the glove on bang-bang plays at first. It looked like Gallaraga caught the ball in the webbing of his glove, and maybe Joyce didn't hear the pop. It's the only explanation I can think of. Sure, replay would have got the call right, and there are technological advances the game should embrace. After the season, baseball should revisit the reply question so that they get calls right. But until then, we're stuck with what we have.
On another point, saying that no one wants quirky ballparks anymore seems to fly in the face of what we've seen in the past 18 years as new ballparks seem to feature goofy jog-outs in the outfield walls (or overhanging right-field fences) and wildly varying fence heights. Quirks in the old places were either intended to take advantage of teams strengths or were there by necessity because of the size of the site. Current quirks are simply contrivances.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 12:08 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 282

Dr. X,
I agree. Current quirks are designed in, while the old ones were rather by necessity. My basic point was just that it seems that fans are overly sentimental/nostalgic about certain things in baseball, while seemingly not sentimental at all about other things. They want fake/contrived quirky when it comes to ballpark design (which is just fine), but they want the 1930's approach when it comes to involving present-day technology in the play of game.
I never thought I'd hear myself say it, and I'm one of the most nostalgic/sentimental people I know, but, get over it baseball fans...the sport needs replay.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 12:26 AM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 283

First off: MLB umps are right where they left off in the playoffs last year. Secondly: let's stop with the "drop every player we can to get a top 10 pitcher/3rd baseman". Again, were leading the league, historically we don't play our best til after the all-star break. Trading guys like Cuddyer or Punto, yeah they maybe not playing top tier ball, right now, but to do that for a Roy Oswalt or Cliff Lee, your pretty much just going ahead and letting our clubhouse go down the toilet. You can have the best player on each team on one squad, doesnt mean they'll win sh*t. You have to have chemistry and leadership, and by getting rid of Cuddy for one, Punto for another, you just killed that, goodbye AL central title. Period. Stop with "THE SHIP IS SINKING!!!" cus we dont have Even Longoria at 3rd and 5 Johan Santanas circa 2006.. Realistically, you cant offer Young, Kubel, Cuddyer, Punto or any of our starting 5. Only can offer (and the Twins only would) is Harris (not a big clubhouse leader), Casilla (hurt, but not a big team guy now his boyfriend go-go is gone) and maybe Tolber, or some other AAA/AA players-prospects. Keep Gibson, Valencia and Ramos for sure, but Revere, Morales and Hughes etc can be dangled to other teams..

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 01:27 AM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 284

Everybody involved in the blown call in Detroit showed a ton of class in their post game reactions. Especially Jim Joyce and Gallaraga. I wish more umpires stepped up and answered for their actions. Too often the umpires never seem to have to answer for blowing a call. That is still no excuse for missing that call. I am a big believer in a replay system working like the NHL with a phone in one of the dug outs and a call placed to the MLB office where it can be reviewed, or put a 5th umpire in the press box. I still don't want to see the managers with a red flag. A manager can ask for a replay but cannot demand one, similar to a catcher appealing to 3rd on a check swing. The sollution is out there and it needs to be found soon.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 08:27 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 285

Is MLB clueless enough not to realize that half of that crowd saw a replay on their freaking telephones (despite the lame MLB policy of not showing “controversial” replays on scoreboards) within a few minutes of the play? There is a rather large gap between “keeping the integrity of the game” and “ignoring obvious advances in technology”. The tennis analogy is a good one. If Wimbledon, maybe the stodgiest of all major sports venues, can integrate net sensors and instant replay into their sport, I’m pretty sure MLB can figure out a way to step into the 21st century (or at least into the late 20th).

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 08:44 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 286

I got a bad feeling the next 4 games! A 2-5 or even 1-6 road trip would be a big buzzkill man!!!!!

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 09:26 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 287

I may have to stop watching sports.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 09:33 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 288

Jcm-Baseball, why should we keep Ramos for sure? It seems to me he would be the best trade chip in getting something done. Plus, with Mauer at catcher it's not like he has a future with this team. If you have to give him up, or Valencia for that matter, to land an impact player, you do it. Neither should be untouchable.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 09:35 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 289

I disagree with Valencia not being untouchable. I'll admidt that I don't know too much about him but look at how many different people we have tried at 3rd in the last 5 years (since Koskie). If he is as good as people have said I don't think he can be offered for a Oswalt or Lee. Ramos is a different story. Joe has said he wants to continue to catch as long as he can. Natural turf for 81 more games will only lengthen his time behind the plate. Ramos appears to be ready or near ready to be a major league player. His splash he made early this season may have only upped his value.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 290

Valencia has had decent numbers in the minors but he hasn't been anywhere near exceptional. I think Twins fans have latched onto him because we are so desperate for a third baseman.

Now, he could blow us all away over the next few games, but to act as though he's the second coming of Brooks Robinson (or even the second-coming of Corey Koskie) and we can't even think about trading him ... well, I think some people are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 291

I hope Valencia changes my first impression about him. Saw him at spring training this past spring. Before the game, down the first base line, he was complaining (not loudly, but we were right there) to some people (the one guy said he knew him since he was a kid and the other guy and gal may have been relatives) in the stands about not starting.
All I could say to my kids was I hope he can play better than his attitude. (Of course it is good to want to start, but don't display your disappointment in front of the kids.)

Posted on June 3, 2010 at 5:47 PM by Go Go Twins (aka goldytk) Highlight this comment 292


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