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What's Ballpark Magic?

August 22, 2008 1:47 AM

With the State Fair starting, I'm remembering how last year there was a completely new rendering of the ballpark on the walls of the Twins booth (located at the north end of Machinery Hill near the dog building).


Some people will go to work here every day.

I discovered it by accident, and took a few quick pictures with my phone, then asked the guys manning the booth if they knew anything about it. They looked at me like I was a little crazy (which, well, who knows?).

In yesterday's comments, someone noted that sometimes the fans seem more excited about the new ballpark than the front-line Twins employees. I've experienced this first-hand.

It's not hard to understand. If you work for a company, and the company is building a new corporate headquarters, all you really know is that someday you're going to have to move everything from one office to another. Sure, the new office will be newer, and maybe nicer, but the real perks are going to go to the higher-ups. Selling jerseys is pretty much the same from one Pro Shop to the next, all the way to one with limestone outside of it...

That exaggerates it a little, but you can still see how it's maybe not as magical for some of them as it is for us -- we who will probably never go to work there.

It made me wonder just what the magic is in a ballpark versus just any other type of building. I'm not sure I can exactly quantify it, but it leads back to impressions that were formed pretty deeply at an early age.


That's Bert back at the Met on Photo Day, September 15, 1974.

For me, it was that first time I ever walked into Met Stadium. I remember most the uniforms so white that you almost had to look away, and the grass that was so perfect and so vast.

The place was just packed with people moving in synchronized harmony with the game, breathing with each pitch much as the players did.

It was Herb Carneal's clear channel radio words sprung to life.

It was a crumpled baseball card transforming into a breathing slugger just like some sort of Cinderella miracle.

Having a glove on my hand had never felt quite so . . . essential.

It was familiar, and in some important ways just like the place where I played baseball at home. But it was more pure and more complete -- and a whole lot bigger.

Our front yard was green but tiny. Our sidewalk sometimes had chalk bases, but usually not. My dad pitched to me from the front steps, and I swung with all my might. He flinched with each swing, but kept on pitching until it got dark.

Noah got his first bat and ball for his birthday. The bat, it turns out, is hollow and eminently fillable with water, which is at least as fun as swinging it. But after he'd swung it a few times, and made a little contact, he wanted to keep on swinging it, and now he won't let me do anything else while we're in the back yard together.

He won't hit right-handed. He won't throw right-handed. He's a natural lefty in just about everything he does. It's rather strange, but I'm not complaining.

Occasionally he pitches to me from the top of the hill, and giggles each time I make contact (it's a little like trying to hit, say, Tim Wakefield, or maybe I should say R. A. Dickey). The other day I launched one toward the roof of the house, and he laughed and laughed. "Do it again, my dad."

But mostly he likes to hit. And he makes contact with everything I toss directly at his bat. Of course, I flinch with each swing, but keep on pitching until it gets dark.

I'm prepared for him not to care much about the new ballpark. But he will at least remember that first experience. I'm determined about that.

There's the magic right there.

More Photo Dump

Somebody asked for concourse photos. Here are a few, with an escalator thrown in for fun.


An escalator was going in the day I was there.


Most of the main concourse is filled with construction materials...


...but you can get a feel for what it will be like.


The field will feel very close.


Another view of the escalator, which apparently comes preassembled!


The Calendar!

You may have noticed the announcement at the top of the page, but you'll be able to get your very own 2009 calendar which features large (9" x 12") images of the construction that I have taken over the past couple of years. It's an exclusive to this site for now, but I'm willing to talk if you want to sell some yourself.

It's the best way I could think of (beyond keeping up this site) to stay excited about the prospect of outdoor baseball as we follow the final year of construction.

Can you believe it? The final year of new ballpark construction!

Anyway, I hope you know someone who would like such a thing. I know I do!


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The Ballpark Authority has posted some new pics. They provide some good interior shots. The only problem is that since there are no captions, you have to do some guesswork as to what you are actually looking at.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 08:16 AM by Mo Highlight this comment 1

Could you get a few pictures of what sitting right by 3rd base, looking towards the skyline will look like or maybe what it will look like from the upper deck along 3rd base? Maybe both? I am curious how the skyline will look. That is what I love about PNC Park. Great view of downtown.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 11:35 AM by John Highlight this comment 2

rick, did i see you at the northstar commuter rail groundbreaking in elk river this morning? i was there w/ my 4 kids sitting down on the right side. the morning was filled w/ the usual shiny-teeth grins and statements about how much people have worked for it, but i was hoping for a Q&A time. really like the idea of 'northstar nights' for some twins games, but haven't had that confirmed. what was your take about the morning?

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 3

Sorry but it wasn't me. I was sleeping off a series of late-night feedings...

Metro Transit told me that they are trying to figure out how to offer "Twins Nights" on the Northstar. It requires approval from BN, but they think they can make it happen.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 1:03 PM by Rick 4

Nice Pictures. Maybe the people that do posts on this website should replace the Twins people who are responsible for all the ballpark stuff, who do not know a thing about the ballpark and it's construction. Once again i can't wait til April 2010 for the ballparks innaugural season.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 5

Mo's link to BA photos above is kind of interesting, but the images are pretty disappointing overall. Not much context. They're really just casual snapshots. Could be just any old construction site.

So I'm drooling over what I could get if I had that type of access. With a couple of hours to just wander around, oh boy...that would be some kind of ballpark magic!

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM by Rick 6

Has anybody noticed that 2 sections of limestone have been sitting on a flatbed near the large crane for 3 days now? Also, there's has not been any further sections added to the facade above the ticket/restraunt section. Hmmmmm??

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 7

It's just a hunch, but I know they can't even touch the cranes if there's even a remote chance of lightning. It's one of the few ways in which weather can disrupt the schedule (snow/rain doesn't seem to matter, nor does hot or cold).

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM by Rick 8

It looks like a crane tipped over in right field. Did they move it like this on purpose?

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 9

I doubt that it's anything, but it happened between 10:32 and 10:42 this morning (look at those two webcam images). Maybe they put these things down when the weather demands it. Maybe they needed repairs. Who knows?

I'm sure we'll find out if it's anything interesting...

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 5:02 PM by Rick 10

Weird. I got kind of scared when I noticed it. Hopefully it's just precautionary measure due to the weather.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 5:38 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 11

y'know, it's quite remarkable that we're a year into the construction and, 1) there hasn't been any major injury or (god forbid) a death, 2) that there haven't been any cost overruns that have compromised the quality, and 3) it's still on schedule (even ahead).

crossing my fingers that this string of good luck continues...

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 12

Knocking on wood

Big thanks to all of the construction workers.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 6:07 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 13

As ML mentioned below, they have a really nice 3-D animation of the lower seating bowl at the Twins booth at the state fair. They also have a rendering of the "Legends Club" in addition to the renderings we have seen over the last year. This 3-D animation is very likely going to be on the 3-D seats website which we have also discussed previously.

As did ML, I also asked about the 2nd webcam or any additional renderings and the guy had no clue and looked at me like I was stupid for asking such questions...As we have discussed, these people at Twinsfest/State Fair don't seem to know much. All they want is your money for Twins season tickets so they can give you a Joe Mauer-Justin Morneau bobblehead.

The 3-D animation was really nice though to look at!

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 7:35 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 14

good call, lafferty. if any construction folk are reading this: THANKS!

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 15

YES!!! Twins in first place lovin it!!!

Posted on August 23, 2008 at 01:19 AM by !!! Highlight this comment 16

what was the deal with everett's jersey last night? click my name

Posted on August 23, 2008 at 1:00 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 17

Rick, Thanks for the concourse pics! I was just wondering wherabouts (in the ballpark) that the 2nd to last picture was taken of the escalator? Is this on the first base side down near the pro shop?
It's definitely going to be a much larger and wider concourse than the current HHH Metrodome.

Posted on August 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM by Jeff Peters - Anoka Highlight this comment 18

Did anybody go to the Twins booth at the fair? they have the seats3d website going with the twins new ballpark. But when i got home and tried to go on it still said coming soon. If anybody gets the chance they should write down the entire web address. thanks

Posted on August 24, 2008 at 11:19 AM by Random Highlight this comment 19

Random- the guys at the fair said that seats3d site won't be up and running until "after the 1st of the year". So we'll have to wait for that. I was there Friday night and saw it, and it seemed to me that it wasn't even complete. It was basically just the lower bowl.

Posted on August 24, 2008 at 1:59 PM by Don T Highlight this comment 20

unless you know the password, we're sol for the time being

Posted on August 24, 2008 at 2:07 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 21

who hates aj? i hate aj

Posted on August 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM by aj sucks Highlight this comment 22

Once again the Twins bullpen have dropped the ball and cost the Twins another game. It is almost getting laughable.

Posted on August 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 23

Sorry for jumping on a couple of you, but please read the previous posts. The post about the Twins booth has been discussed above.

Regarding the Everett uniform, go read Joe Christensen's blog at the Star Tribune from the other day. He covers it indepth.

Posted on August 24, 2008 at 8:16 PM by M Highlight this comment 24

Hey M,
I posted the video before the blog came out from Christensen's blog and it was meant as a rhetorical question.

Things get discussed over and over here. chill out.

Posted on August 24, 2008 at 9:29 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 25

Hey M

How do you feel about tailgating? lol

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 08:10 AM by mazaratrick Highlight this comment 26

DSP made an update... Not a whole lot of new info

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 11:19 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 27

That sure would be nice if FSN North could continue to give the fans regular updated tours (every month or two) of the new ballpark up until Opening Day 2010. That was a nice program last week with Anthony LaPanta and Kevin Smith.

I emailed FSN North suggesting they should give us regular tours up until Opening Day 2010, but have not received a response yet.

I figured that would be a good way to let the fans know how the progress is going inside the ballpark, since the Twins don't seem to update us as much. (They sure seemed to know how to campaign to the fans and tell them how to contact their legislators to support the ballpark bill prior to the bill finally passing in May 2006) Now that the bill has passed and the construction is underway, The Twins don't seem to be up to par on their side of things.

Afterall, this project is being funded primarily through public financing.

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 11:30 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 28

Is DSP serious with this garbage? old mush mouth needs to quit with this blog... hire Rick,even hire my daughter shes 10 and can tell you more about whats been happaning to this site the last 2 months than he has....

Yes i have said it before the twins have dropped the ball now and really dont care, they dont even mask it... I think they should realize that "build it and they will come" was in a movie not real life... all i hear from the twins is buy season tickets to get priority.. thats it...

as the years go on the money for folks will get tighter and tighter and the team is still penny pinching due to the "small market blueprint" excuse then it will be like the mid 90's around here..

Sign a freaking relif pitcher for godsake!

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 29

maz, time to go back on the meds...

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 30

Unfortunately, we are not Mr. St. Peter's target audience. He is writing to the thousands of Twins fans that are not paying any attention to the ballpark construction process. You know those type of Twins fans, you see their ignorant comments after the Star Tribune writes an article on the ballpark. They still want a roof, just found out the Twins are using limestone, and don't follow the details like we do around here. That's why we come here for in-depth analysis and pictures. Mr. St. Peter is simply giving basic, or old information to the average Twins fan that knows little about the Twins new home.

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 1:11 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 31


I used them all up when the bullpen went bad.... im fresh out

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 32

Since when is it only the bullpens fault for the game on Sunday. Doesn't the offense also need to be held accountable.

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM by Jay Highlight this comment 33

Good move to bring back Eddie Guardado!

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 2:37 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 34

What is this? I thought Billy smith was just voyer, i did not know he actully made moves... good one bill

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM by mazatatirick Highlight this comment 35

Voyeur actually*****

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 3:10 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 36


- You must be washed up. (ie, see Tony Bautista, Bret Boone, Jeff Cirillo, Phil Nevin, Ruben Sierra, Sydney Ponson, Rondell White)

- You must command a 7 figure salary (ie, see players above)

- Extra merit if you came up with the Twins or have played for us in the past

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM by Minnesota Twins Highlight this comment 37

You forgot about me and Livan Hernandez!

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 4:29 PM by Ramon Ortiz Highlight this comment 38

I feel like I am missing out and that I should be added to the list as well.

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 4:36 PM by Craig Monroe Highlight this comment 39

me and dave winfield kinda snuck in here on the end of our rope so did our buddy stienbach.. all u have to do is have a minnesota link and you will be golden

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 4:37 PM by paul molitor Highlight this comment 40

Yes, yes.

But Eddie's ERA and WHIP and BAA are all better than Crain, Guerrier, Bass and Bonser. Right now, that's (hopefully) worth something...

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 4:37 PM by Rick 41

Can't beat the price for Guardado: one Hamburger. Maybe we threw in some fries...

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 4:54 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 42

One thing from the DSP Blog was that they are going to stack the bullpens on top of each other, Did I miss this from before, or didn't we know about it?

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 5:45 PM by Uncle Tom, OG Highlight this comment 43

OG Tom - I don't think he meant they were literally going to be stacked on top of each other, which is why he wrote it quotes..."stacked". I think that was just his way of describing the layout.

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 6:45 PM by Don T Highlight this comment 44

On the webcam it looks like they have started laying limestone on the section above the pro shop.

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 7:15 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 45

Click link for example of a "stacked" bullpen. This is from Camden Yards.

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 7:33 PM by Bullpen Guy Highlight this comment 46

lamb is gone...

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM by bye bye Highlight this comment 47

It was a very tough decision to make so we had to throw a few names (Boof Bonser, Adam Everett, Randy Ruiz, and Mike Lamb) into a cap to determine who would be designated for assignment. In this case, Mikey's name was drawn and we designated him for assignment.

DSP also wanted me to let you all know to call 800-33-TWINS to establish your new ballpark seating priority today!

Posted on August 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM by Bill Smith Highlight this comment 48

fuck off bill smith poster

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 12:34 AM by . Highlight this comment 49

Thanks for clarifying the "stacked" bullpen, I didn't know what it meant but just assumed stacked meant on top of each other...

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 12:47 AM by Uncle Tom, OG Highlight this comment 50

Last night on a KSTP in an interview with Twins officials about the new ballpark, they specifically mentioned a rooftop deck on top of the Twins offices in left field. I've only seen that as speculation up until now. But they drew direct comparisons to PETCO park's rooftop deck and said that they wanted to do something similar.

Also, do you folks think some kind of pre-season open house is possible? I'm guessing tickets will be pretty hard to come by in 2010 and was wondering if they would show it off to the public at least once? Is that even a remote possibility?

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 08:50 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 51


I like the idea of a preseason open house. Most new parks host a college game as a "test run" before MLB opening day. Still, since this is a publicly financed park, it would be great if Hennepin County residents could tour/visit the park before it opens.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 09:42 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 52

I would bet that the Twins will host some sort of pre-season game prior to the home opener at "Twins Park." The 'Nats had a college game at their new stadium, before their home opener this past March (George Washington vs. St. Joseph's; see my link - they only got 2500 for the game) and it's just a good idea for this sort of "trial run" with a few thousand fans in attendance.

Perhaps they will have The U host a ballgame there prior to the Twins opener in 2010 (maybe some regional draw like UMinn/NDSU). You would think that a ton of folks would want to go, but I'd be surprised if it drew half capacity.


Posted on August 26, 2008 at 09:53 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 53

I am sure they will have an open house of some sort as most new sports venues do.

Has anyone heard anymore on Jim Pohlad's desire to invest in 3,000 unique wood-back style seats to install in assorted areas throughout the new ballpark?

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 09:53 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 54

If I remember right, the Twins hosted a preseason series with the Reds before the opening day debut of the Metrodome.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 09:57 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 55

U of M vs. NDSU!!! great idea!

as an NDSU alumnus I love the few opportunities to get D-I's newest member to town!

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 56

I remember going to the open house of Xcel Center before the first Wild season, I would hope the Twins do the same. As far as Jim Pohlad investing in 3,000 wood seats, how about investing in 40,000 wood seats????? Plastic sucks!

I toured both the Twins and Gophers sites yesterday, no pics sorry but the last camera I purchased was a kodak disc in 1984. Very impressive structures indeed. The webcams do not do them justice. I will be at the fair on Friday to educate the flunkies who work inside the Twins booth.

Another great choke job last night, if anybody knows a priest, please send him to Seattle to exorcise the demons from the Twins bullpen...FAST...I'm running out of nitroglycerin.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM by kevin in mn Highlight this comment 57

Dale, I herd that there may be bonfire pits atop the left field building.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 58

Luckily my flashy plays, like the ones I made over the weekend in Anaheim, overshadow many of the blunders I have made! I'm glad no one noticed my booted ball in the 9th that could have easily kept Beltre at second and thus preventing him from scoring on the double play by our rookie Jeff Clement. Keep blaming the bullpen even though myself and neighbor at third make our pitchers get extra outs to finish innings.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 1:31 PM by Nick Punto Highlight this comment 59

For those who may also be following the TCF Stadium construction, it looks like the U has updated their website in the last couple days. The webcam doesn't appear to be working at the moment (hopefully they are improving it), but there are some pics that I haven't seen before.

I asked about the 2nd webcam when I was at the Fair yesterday. The nice guy at the Twins booth didn't know anything about it, but he said if DSP said there is going to be a 2nd webcam, then there will be a 2nd webcam.

A really cool thing happened at the fair last night... My son Dylan got picked from the Qwest Twin's Live audience to demonstrate a throw from 3rd to 1st with Roy Smalley. Roy was also nice enough to autograph a ball for him. Definately his best Fair experience ever!

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 1:35 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 60

Milwaukee did a test run against the white sox before their opener in Miller Park in 2001. I remember dying to see the pics on the brewers website but having it take like 8 minutes for each to download using my dial up modem. Songs back then took like an hour and a half! Maybe napster should have instead been shut down for having the downloads waste so much of my life. Those were the days...

PS: What a cool memory for your son to keep LuckyLager. I still remember the day Matt Mieske signed my baseball at County Stadium. I was 12 and thought I was the sh*t.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 1:54 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 61

At one time they had two webcams for TCF Bank Stadium, however, since the "new" website launched last week, the 2nd webcam has apparently disappeared. It's a shame because webcam #2 was the only one you could actually see the progress. Webcam #1 (Current webcam) doesn't show much of anything anymore since the exterior is nearing completion and the shot is too close to see anything rather than exterior brick. I hope they bring back cam #2 so we can see a broader perspective of the overall structure going up.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 2:30 PM by Mike Zimmerman Highlight this comment 62

hey will someone tell me if Sports Service will bring the secret stadium sauce to the new ball park i love stuff!!!!!!!

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM by stadium sauce fan Highlight this comment 63

Here's webcam #2 from TCF Stadium.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM by Andy Highlight this comment 64

Thanks Andy!

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 4:06 PM by Mike Zimmerrman Highlight this comment 65

Seems like the U of M has taken the job of marketing their new stadium a little more seriously. I was psyched after watching all the interior and exterior videos, along with in depth analysis of the stadium. I even looked into pricing for season tix after my interest was peaked...

They also have a schedule for their "stadium tour" where athletics department faculty and coaches will be speaking about the new stadium around the state. Bravo, Gophers.

Take note, Twins.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 66

I was thinking that the Twins stole the 2nd webcam from the TCF site so they could install it at the New Ballpark site, since they are so cheap!!!

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 5:43 PM by Uncle Tom, OG Highlight this comment 67

The Gophers have done a much better job doing regular updates on their new stadium unlike the Twins who appear to be ignorant to the people who actually closely track the construction. Apparently the Twins have forgotten that this is a "Publicly Funded Project" and that we the public are entitled to all the updates we want.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 6:25 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 68

This was an interesting topic brought up last week on KFAN's PA & Dubay show comparing the significance of TCF Bank Stadium to the new Twins ballpark.

The University of Minnesota is plain and simply much more passionate about their new venue in TCF Bank Stadium compared to the Twins. TCF Bank Stadium will be much more significant and meaningful to the University than the Twins Ballpark will be for the Twins. The Gophers program has deteriorated and a lot of the pride/history in Gopher football and college football has been tarnished/lost since moving out of Memorial Stadium in 1982. Excluding the Metrodome, TCF Bank Stadium will be the first new stadium in the Big Ten since Indiana's Memorial Stadium opened in 1960. Obviously there have been renovations to other stadiums, but it will still be the first Big Ten Stadium constructed since 1960. Meanwhile, the Twins have enjoyed some of their greatest moments in franchise history while playing in the Metrodome.

It was definitely a mistake for both the Twins and Gophers to leave the Met and Memorial Stadium, respectively. It's quite ironic how the Vikings (who started this whole mess) are the lone team left out in the dust...

In all due respect to the Twins, the Gophers are six months ahead of the Twins in the construction/planning process (Fall 2009 compared to Spring 2010), but we should be seeing a little more effort from the Twins as far as details, renderings/animations and marketing, etc than what we have seen in recent months.

Things should start intensifying on the Twins side of things during the next month or two when they finally release the season ticket seat relocation guidelines and procedures. I am sure they will have quite a bit of new information coming up this offseason as we approach the 2009 season and move within one year of the opening of the new ballpark.

Posted on August 26, 2008 at 7:34 PM by Matt - Rochester Highlight this comment 69

Roch Matt - I can see that point of view. There are certainly die-hard Gopher football fans here in Bemidji, but there are also a lot more that couldn't care less about the team. I think a lot of that has to do with the Dome. I'm not from here origionaly, and I have virtually no interest in seeing a Gopher game until the y get into the new stadium. After they do, I'll probibly go to a couple.

With that said, I certainly hope the Twins start taking the ballpark promotions more seriously after the 2008 season. The Yanks and Mets still haven't done a ton, but they did release those interior renderings last offseason, so hopefully that time-line will hold true for the Twins.


Posted on August 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 70

Patience young grasshoppers...there's still a year and a half left on this thing. We're all talking like the Twins will be playing in it next season.

Rick, you sure you have enough topics to get us through?!

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 09:22 AM by John K Highlight this comment 71

I'm confused...

Why does it look like the LRT station has been deconstructed over the last couple of days? They had gone vertical with the station supports but now they're all laying in piles of rubble...

Was that just practice for the actual construction? Are they that far ahead of schedule? Heh. I mean, why would the undo what they've done?

Any ideas?

Also, I know for the most part we've been in the dark regarding the interior designs, but has anyone heard anything or even have any guesses as to how much concrete and piping will be exposed in the concourses? I would think they'd cover it with some sort of paneling / tiling / drop ceiling...but, I don't know...

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 09:24 AM by CheapCheap Highlight this comment 72

Sorry guys, we've been distracted by the beautiful Cascade Range and Puget Sound and forgot how to hit! But by all means, continue to blame the pitching!

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 09:33 AM by The Twins Offense Highlight this comment 73

Moose, the Nats did indeed hold that college game, but that wasn't the real test. That was sort of a pre-test test. The attendance was capped at about 2,500, limited to students and others who got passes. The real test came a few days later, when the Nats hosted the Orioles for a one game exhibition. Two days later, they had opening night.

As far as the Gophers being more forthcoming with updates, there's an obvious reason for that. While people may feel entitled to updates being that this is a public project, the simple reality is that they don't need to sell it anymore. The public can see it later, when it's done. The Twins would simply like to generate interest so long as it translates to ticket sales. The Gophers, on the other hand, need donations to help pay for their stadium. They've got a much more pressing sales pitch to make.

The Twins have 18 months to go, too. You'll see them ratchet up the marketing next year when they're selling season ticket packages for 2010. Until then, it's not exactly the best use of their energy. They need butts in the current blue indoor seats first.

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 1:14 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 74

anyone know what the two big boxes on top of the restaurant are on the webcam? if you are bs'ing, there are extra points for most creative answer.

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 1:14 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 75

Heating/AC units???

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM by david Highlight this comment 76

Alex-Now that you mention it, I do remember photos from that college game showing fans somewhat roped-off in seating just behind the dugouts. I wonder how much access they really had (bleachers/upper deck/etc.)?


Posted on August 27, 2008 at 7:14 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 77

sorry to go off topic, but sense there is no gopher stadium forum that i know of. Does anybody know why they show white seats in the virtual tour? I'm hoping they will all be maroon with the gold minnesota and M in the seats.

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 7:59 PM by curious Highlight this comment 78

I belive I saw A pic of the Gophers stadium somehwhere cant remember where and it did have gopher colors in the seats with A big M on both sides right in the middle of all the seat.

Posted on August 27, 2008 at 10:20 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 79

The Gopher stadium will have maroon seats between the goal lines (i.e. "premium seating"), with a gold "M" on the bottom section and "Minnesota" spelled out across the top section. The rest of the seats are gray bench style. A lot of stadium discussion and construction pictures are posted at (under the "talk sports in the hole" link, football msg board). Updated virtual tours are under the link I posted @, click on virtual tours.

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 08:27 AM by B Highlight this comment 80

Oh great, the webcam's out. Now what are we supposed to do with our lives...

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 08:37 AM by CheapCheap Highlight this comment 81

it's not out, it's just foggy. couldn't even see buildings from Franklin and Hennepin

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 10:23 AM by Don T Highlight this comment 82

Any idea what flag they are flying at the site today? Sure doesnt look like Old Glory.

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 83

My whole morning was wasted with lots of productive work away from the webcam. Thanks a lot, Fog!!!!

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM by CheapCheap Highlight this comment 84

Maybe its not a flag. Maybe its a pair of Hrbek's pants.

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 85

It's definitely not a white surrender flag either, which is good!

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM by Jeff Hansel - Mound Highlight this comment 86

hot damn! look at that sexy limestone on the webcam

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 2:46 PM by Grant Highlight this comment 87

hehe, ok, nice one luckylager, i just cracked up here at work!

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 88

The flag says... "This is Twins Territory"

Posted on August 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 89

So I left work downtown on Hennepin on my moped yesterday at 5pm, drove down 7th to pass the ballpark as I often do, then left on 3rd Ave, left on 10th to double-back...then as I'm driving down 10th in the right lane ("A" Ramp to my left, Salvation Army to my right), a white Escalade driving in the center lane (10th being one-way) cuts across (no signal) making a right turn into a Salvation Army ally, turning right into me...

In a couple of seconds I went from slamming on my breaks and laying on my horn, being hit from the left, thrown to the curb, bike laying on top of me, right shoe fell off...

A Hennepin County Sheriff happened to be close by and arrived in what seemed like maybe half a minute, with another squad car arriving a few minutes later. It ends up the people in the Escalade had warrants out for their driver's proof of insurance; they were cuffed, Escalade towed away, bye-bye in cop car...

And I'm left with a wrecked moped (what I drove to work everyday), a Case Control Number to follow-up getting payment for my damages (since it seems they don't have insurance, though they claim they do, I'll likely have to take them to court if I want anything for my totalled bike), and very surprisingly and thankfully, just scrapes and scratches...nothing broken! Big scrape in my helmet...good thing I was wearing it!

So yeah...some shady people around there...I now kinda personally hope it gets cleaned up over there soon...

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 09:05 AM by CheapCheap Highlight this comment 90

Cheapcheap -- wow, glad you are okay. I would love to be able to scoot around on a moped (despite the age old jokes). Fun, easy to park and cheap to operate, but you will never catch me on one in this city for the reason you have just highlighted. WAY too many idiots in giant cars in our neighborhood. Way WAY too many idiots hang around on that stretch from Mary's to that bus depot on 10th... $100 says the the bank owns more of that escalade than the two idiots who couldn't afford insurance do... best of luck getting any $$ from those jackasses my friend.

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 10:07 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 91

I rememeber what it was like there b4 target center was built... when moby dicks was downtown and it was alot more shady than it is today, it will be ok guys dont worry...

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 10:16 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 92

Maybe you can blame it on the general attitude and lack of moral standards of today, Block E is more of a problem now then it was when Moby Dicks was around. I walked that street many times back then. There may have been a few drunks around, but I was never once bothered by anybody. NOT ONCE !! Now you can just feel the intimidation factor that exists from the hustlers and lowlife youths that now hang there. I never walk on that side of the street (Hennepin between 6th & 7th streets) at night anymore.

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 10:36 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 93

Im gonna get you JohnF... you cant walk with your head down past me on the onther side of the street!

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 12:47 PM by Block E Hustla Highlight this comment 94

More Limestone pics please!!

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 12:57 PM by Limestone Highlight this comment 95

I was solicited for sex for the first time in my life by the Block E atm. It was actually more flattering than anything. The thing is, the problems only exist on the 7th street and hennepin sides of the block. Why is that? I don't know that it would still only be drunks if Moby Dick's was there today. I think that today's culture just hadn't evolved yet.

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM by John K Highlight this comment 96

I am wondering when they are going to start installing the stadia sections, and when they are going to finish the left field granstand superstructure.

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 2:10 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 97

i think it has to do what what is in and around blck e.. club Escape and bellanotte... its a young and thug place to see and be seen, i dont think it will effect the ballpark but yes walking around block E on a weekend night is pretty much not fun with all the people standing around

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 98

ummm.... i think i read that "club escape" closed almost 2 years ago, and i've eaten at bellanotte with business clients -- there might be a lot of plastic surgery in there but there's not a whole lot of thuggery. the thuggery loiters around the perimeter, just as they have before the building was on block e. i always wonder why the cops say they can't just shake people down standing outside -- isn't loitering illegal??

on a side note cheapcheap it could've been a lot worse -- there was an article on startrib that a barfight let to a shooting all of 25 feet from future center field at 3 am last night...

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 3:40 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 99

The stadia installation for the seating area will begin this fall. I have linked my name to the New Ballpark Timeline so that you can see the time for the rest of the progress on the new ballpark.

Posted on August 29, 2008 at 6:25 PM by Tom from ND Highlight this comment 100

With all that new limestone, we could sure use a MOJO or Rick photo update ;)

And as an aside - a HUGE thanks to EVERYONE who has contributed to this site (Rick, obviously included). I've had exactly ONE chance to drive by the ballpark site since construction started (I live in Bemidji), so it's not exactly on my daily commute ;p Anyway, thanks again to all who have helped update us out-of-towners...


Posted on August 30, 2008 at 09:21 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 101

I hope that you all enjoy your new ballpark downtown! Outdoors!

It is the 8th season here in Detroit for Comerica Park, and it is amazing how something as simple as a ballyard can make things better for everybody. Even though it is a mediocre season for us, it is still nice to see consistent crowds of 35-40,000 per game.

I hope that is the case for you, our friends to the north.

Posted on September 5, 2008 at 9:31 PM by Ernie Harwell Highlight this comment 102

Hello Rick!
I still haven't received the letter for the price of Magic Ballpark for the 2009 calendar from you in the mail. I want to send you check in the mail. Please give me your address so I can mail you check.
My home address is:

Mike Demitz
687-D Hidden Path Court
Creve Coeur, Mo. 63141

I still want to receive the 2009 calendar of the Twins' new Target Field plus videotape.

I can't wait about the new Target Field for the 2010 season.

My e-mail address is:

Please e-mail me back.

I look forward to hearing from you.


Mike Demitz

Posted on November 29, 2008 at 07:30 AM by Mike Demitz Highlight this comment 103

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Town Ball Tavern balcony

Through the windows of the Metropolitan Club you can see one of the displays of Met Stadium memorabilia.

Seat logos in place

There are no caddies in baseball.

A great view from the balcony outside the Metropolitan Club

This is the revised version of the center field pavilion (without the restaurant). It looks like there are no seats, just some ledges for people to sit on. It reminds me of the seating on the "bridge" which sticks out of the new Guthrie Theater. Anything which lands in the trees will presumably be a home run, so the "411" sign is apparently just for fun.

Photo by Tyler Wycoff

Workers against green

Wanda's view!

Looking back toward the ballpark from Third Avenue and Fifth Street. Again, the track configuration is now clearly visible.

I do love the upper concourse. Feels like home already.

Steps going up at Gate 29/Carew

Viewed from up Sixth Street (that's Target Center on the left), you can get an idea of how the connection is currently planned. As it stands now, the plaza will extend to that support pillar, from which a stairway will empty to the sidewalk below. If they get their wish, additional support structures will provide a walkway along Target Center which will gradually (without stairs) meet the sidewalk somewhere up near First Avenue.

Open concourses do mean that you can glimpse the field no matter where you are, but not really the game.

TCF Bank Stadium (click to enlarge)

Actual LRT tracks are now in the street, and buses now pass over them before entering the transit hub.

The images on that wall appear to be of great Twins moments in history.

Panels arriving on flatbed trailers in front of the Twins' dugout.

Photo by Tyler Wycoff

This is the left field pavilion in the original concept model. The restaurant pictured to its right has been moved, and the seating area has been extended at least one full section toward center.

From the revised site plan, this is the configuration of Gate 34 Puckett.

Path of quick escape.

I love these upper neighborhoods.

Standing, standing, standing.

The entry from the platform to the ballpark.

Instrument of evil.


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