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September 19, 2008 12:29 AM

By now you've probably all seen this pricing diagram:

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And I hope you've had a chance to play around with the Target Field Stadium View utility. Fair warning: You should allow lots of time for that one. It's a real trip bouncing around the ballpark checking out the views. Once you get started, it's hard to stop.

I count 27 pricing levels in all. That's 22 color-coded sections, plus premium prices for front row seats in five of the levels. Not counting the four sections for millionaires, the season ticket prices range from $10 to $69. That projects to $12 to $75 for single-game tickets. Not bad.

But with so many different prices, it gets a little bit overwhelming. As you can imagine, some will be better values than others, but there's pretty much something for every wallet size.

One can only imagine how much work went into not just making these decisions but preparing all of the documentation to go along with it. Cudos to the team's marketing department because it all looks just fabulous and certainly ratchets up my excitement level.

In fact, I found my heart beating a bit faster as I checked out all of the views -- every single one of them really, really good. Even in the so-so areas (Terrace level seats), the views look no worse than the Metrodome.

In the best cases, there are little neighborhoods in this ballpark. That's something I never anticipated from all the drawings I've seen. The left field bleachers (sections 128-131) feel positively cozy. The Field Terrace and Home Plate Terrace sections (201-228) will be a great value, but also seem like places where you might want to actually talk to the people around you -- a community of baseball fans. Imagine that!

Out in right field, the sections are all small, with little quirks all their own. There are seats right up against limestone in several areas. Almost every section I checked out had something unique about it.

The Twins have continued the trend of severely separating the moneyed patrons from the unwashed masses. It's not quite as bad as in Washington, but there is a risk that TV cameras will show lots of empty seats right behind home plate if the team fades into mediocrity. That's what happened this year at Nationals Park, and it has been pretty disastrous from a TV image standpoint.

They will definitely need to create an automated system for season ticket holders at all levels to unload tickets they do not intend to use. Leaving this to the scalpers would be a bit unseemly (and would potentially leave some money on the table).

It's going to take a while to digest this all. But it's possible, I believe, to get from these new materials a more detailed sense of what it will be like to see a game in this place, and it's pretty darn good.

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I completely agree that the left field bleachers are going to be very nice and cozy! This will definitely be one of the most, if not, the most intimate ballpark in baseball.

I am a little disappointed they didn't open up sections 104 and 124 to "view box" pricing. In my mind, these two sections should not be considered "diamond box" seats when they are located along the lines in the outfield, in particular, section 124. Not that its a big deal, as many teams do this same thing for increased revenue purposes. Regardless, there will still be plenty of affordable tickets in this ballpark. At least Target Field won't have those horrible (and overpriced) seats down the 3B line that we currently have in the Metrodome (sections 136-139).

I also still think the Twins went a little overboard on the whole "split-deck" concept, especially in left field. It would have been nice to have a true "home run porch" such as Met Stadium or Ballpark in Arlington. I can't complain though as this will be a great ballpark either way.

More than anything, I must praise the Twins for using distinctive colors on the Target Field seating chart. So many teams use so many similar colors and it gets very difficult to distinguish the different pricing levels. The Twins have made this very clear and the pricing levels are very simple to distinguish from each other.

I wonder if people will simply call Target Field, "the field"? We had "the Met" and we currently have "the dome" and "the x"...

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 02:09 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 1

The interactive seating chart is my version of online porn... i have been messing with it all morning!

this is one awsome park, umm field.... Target filed is the "shizzznit"

I let my season tickets expire 2 years ago when i felt the team was not committed to winning, This winter i will be getting 2 20 games packs just for the right to get good seats in this place...

with all the crap i have tossed at the twins and DSP for not telling us anything this cures all.

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 07:46 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 2

"cozy neighborhoods"

that is a very good description, rick. one of the biggest selling points to date has been the 'open concourses' yet i hadn't heard of the quirkyness of the seating areas until now. it may be a bit mind-spinning to the new fan when buying walk-up tickets, but this quality sure has the makings for fans to feel real ownership of their section. that is a big win.

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 09:47 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 3

I can't say I understand how the split decks distracts from the home run porch. The split decks ensure open concourses all around. The cost is the loss of a few seats in those areas where the split happens, which is a benefit to the people sitting in those seats. The benefit of the open concourses can be enjoyed by everyone using them. Plus, they provide ample standing room only areas, places to watch the game while milling around in the concourse, etc.

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 4

I cant belive that left field bleacher are only 18 bucks... i know you wont get much sun there but thats a deal, its cheaper than the same area @ the dome... I am going to get my seats there

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 5

damn impulse buyer, just put deposit down on homerun porch for 2009 and will snap up left field bleachers first row or so @ Target Field asap (mid summer next year)....

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 11:26 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 6

you're so right. that interactive seating view of the field is fun. i like the names for the sections of the park. skyline view, field box, homerun porch, overlook...makes you think of a warm summer day and walking up the ramp and seeing the field of green for the first time. that was my favorite memory of going to the old met as kid. the park is just going to be awesome.

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 11:46 AM by Tim Highlight this comment 7

I couldn't agree more how addicting that interactive seating chart is. I was worthless yesterday afternoon. Now I'm paying the price.

I was going to ask if anyone else stares at the webcam imagining games, what it'll look like and where they would want to sit and what the view/experice would be like. Or am I the only one? Question answered. That online seating chart is like crack. Okay, I really don't know what crack is like, but...yeah. Now that I'm growed up and actually have money to buy season tickets I don't live in MN anymore. I'm sooooo envious of you guys (in MN). I have toyed with the idea of still buying season tickets and just giving them to my parents but that's probably a bigger uphill battle with the wife (from GA) than I'm aware of.

Luke, ironically enough, I whispered that to myself last night, "The Field", as I was "floating" around the stands. Seems natural.

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 2:36 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 8

agreed with all the great sections, until this i dont think anyone really felt how it would actually be to sit inside this place, but as you can tell, every section is great. And it also realy makes me feel that this could end up being one of if not the best stadium in the league, there is so much character here. imagine if come playoff time the skyscrapers had the giant TC in the lights of the buildings, and with a lively plaza, this would be the place to be. I have a question if anyone knows the answer too, i noticed that the center field fence is labled 411. Does anyone know if this is what its going to be, i know they said it was going to be shorter then this but i like longer fields and this would be great if it was that. After all the question about the small location and concerns of the site, i will have to hand it to HOK. there was alot of critisism on ther sites about there designs but this will be a great ballpark for years, and by the way, for anyone who wanted a roof on this thing, all i can say is thank god that didnt happen.

Posted on September 19, 2008 at 6:14 PM by roro Highlight this comment 9

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Posted on September 19, 2008 at 11:07 PM by cnac4tric Highlight this comment 10

Luke H.,

You forgot to add "The Barn" to your list...You are on to something though with the X, the dome, the Met, the Barn and so on...lets just make Target Field known as "the field" and we can also make TCF Bank Stadium known as "the Bank"...now that may seem a bit sarcastic, but it sure seems Minnesotans like their short and abbreviated names as in the met, the dome, the x, the barn, and so on.

Posted on September 20, 2008 at 12:48 AM by Craig - Plymouth Highlight this comment 11

That 3-D seating chart is absolutely amazing! I cannot wait to sit out on a sunny Sunday afternoon listening to REAL organ music and watching the groundscrew drag the infield and hose down the infield dirt while sipping on a $7 beer prior to the game.

On a real note, I think those seats along the 3rd base line are going to be simply spectaculuar. Being able to look out onto Target Plaza and into downtown along 6th street, that is going to be an amazing experience.

From my experiences at ballgames over the years, the memories are made from the ballparks and the weather conditions. Whether its 98 degrees and sunny on a hot July afternoon or 40 degrees and snowing in April, the weather is what makes the memories and I am glad we will get to experience that again. "Dad, remember when we went to that game in Kansas City and it was 100 degrees and the Twins scored 10 runs in the 9th inning..." or "Dad, remember that home opener versus the Angels when we had to sit in the snow and ice and than brush 6 inches of snow off of our car after the game..."

To me, outdoor baseball is where its at and its meant to make lasting memories. The Twins made the right decision to have no roof on Target Field.

Posted on September 20, 2008 at 01:08 AM by Jason Highlight this comment 12

Updated construction photos from the Ballpark Authority are available at this link. Most of them are interior views and all of the were taken on 05 Sep 08.

Posted on September 20, 2008 at 08:20 AM by Mo Highlight this comment 13

Is there not going to be limestone behind home plate or used to seperate the really expensive seats from others? I thought it would look really good to have the limestone behind home plate and it was in the plans?

Posted on September 20, 2008 at 09:31 AM by mlb2131 Highlight this comment 14

Jason I agree with you,

The weather is thing that will make you rememeber that crazy game 30 years from now, when it was snowing ( i seriously cant wait for my first snow game) or when we all sit under the left field bleachers deck and wait out a rain delay..that is what gets fans talking to each other... its great!

Posted on September 20, 2008 at 09:32 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 15

yea they're going to have the limestone behind homeplate. the twins announced a few weeks ago that they're installing more limestone accents inside the park.

Posted on September 20, 2008 at 10:49 AM by Tim Highlight this comment 16

The Dome makes number 30 for most important sports venues by Jim Caple. Link in the name...

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 08:06 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 17

Also worth noting, the MOA makes the list at 41 for being the site of the "Met" and also "so many stores sell sports merchandise that Carlos Baerga actually bought an autographed photo of himself here."

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 08:08 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 18

And Midway Stadium makes the list at #92

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 08:11 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 19

LOL! JC might be a little biased when it comes to our local sports venues...

Anyways, I love the interactive seating views! As I scope out every section, I'm definitely a fan of the color green for our seats. I didn't notice any TC logos on the row fronts, but I'd rather see that then any more of that terribly ugly limestone tacked all over the place within the park - er, "field".

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM by The Crippler Highlight this comment 20

just kidding about the limestone!

The more I see of this ballpark - from the renderings, to the finished model, to the computer-generated fly-around, to the construction, and now to the seating views - this place looks better and better all the time! I mean, it will be a genuine "theater", in which we'll be able to study each, and every, single pitch. I'm finally starting to think this could be a super-special place, and not just another new baseball stadium.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 10:38 AM by The Crippler Highlight this comment 21

does anyone know, what is that three-story building out in left field? Section 107 is nestled up right against it. i know one side of it is the transportation hub, but what else? the team store is on the right field side...as is the Metropolitan Club (we just can't get away from that Metropolitan moniker can we?). Is that team offices?

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 1:31 PM by Luke Highlight this comment 22

one major disappointment, there are harly any "ribbon boards" in this place. there's a few small ones in the outfield, a couple on the ends, but nothing like the Xcel Center or even the Target Center. i hope they change that...otherwise, it'll be like the Metrodome, only without a roof...lol. boooooring.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 1:34 PM by Luke Highlight this comment 23

without the ribbon boards this place will be like the metrodome??? ok crippler, honestly that mey be the most idiotic thing ever posted on here. obviously you just dont know what the hell your talking about

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 3:36 PM by roro Highlight this comment 24

woops that message was intended for luke not crippler, my apologies crippler man

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 3:37 PM by roro Highlight this comment 25

Even though I have the same name as you Luke, I must disagree with your comment regarding the ribbon boards.

I think the less advertising and ribbon boards we see, the better off we are.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 26

ya, without the ribbon boards, it would be just like the Metrodome. about as boring as you can possibly get. ya, the Dome has ribbon boards, but for goodness sakes, they dont get any use out of them, not like at the Xcel Center. and, believe me, 125 million dollars in 25 years just for calling it Target Field is NOT going to make much money for the team. the more advertising, the more likely the Twins will stay in Target Field through the duration of their 30 year lease.
And, "may" is spelled with an "a" not an "e" my friend.
I'm calling Daktronics tomorrow to see about those ribbon boards.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM by Luke Highlight this comment 27

Oh yeah - and I still haven't yet figured out, what is that building out in left field?

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 5:21 PM by Luke Highlight this comment 28

The building will house corporate offices, and at least one club (I believe that's where the Town Ball Tavern will be located).

And I think it's safe to say that what we've seen in the renderings with regard to advertising bears no real relation to what will actually be installed. My prediction is that it will be similar in prominence to what is currently seen in the Metrodome.

That goes for ribbon boards, behind home plate, on the outfield walls, and on the facings of all the decks.

It's in the team's best interest to minimize these in the renderings and maximize them in reality. So don't get too worked up about what you may or may not have seen so far. One thing is for sure: there will be plenty.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM by Rick 29

This is baseball Luke! You're supposed to be watching the scoreboard, not ribbon boards. This is not the X nor is it the Target Center. Ribbon displays are prominent at circular arenas. This isn't an arena it's a ballpark and ballparks have scoreboards. If you don't like it, stick to the NBA or NHL.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 5:50 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 30

i like Rick's comment, it does make alot of sense. i thought that building in LF might contain team offices.
actually, as with most sports, i think you should be watching the action on the field, court, rink etc and NOT the scoreboard. the ribbon boards are fun - especially after homeruns or goals or what not.
the T Center has a scoreboard as well...

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 6:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 31

hey rick can you find out if they changed the centerfield dimensions. I know all the sites say its going to be 404, but the new stadium views have the centerfield wall at 411, maybe it has changed. it would be sweet if the changed it to 411. bigger fields are always better. makes for better plays in the outfield

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 6:22 PM by roro Highlight this comment 32

Luke
wtf?

you are a dumb fack for thinking that.....if u go to a game for ribbon boards then u prob should not worry about this FIELD

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 8:29 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 33

i'm a business man at heart mazaratirick, and sports business is one of my major niches - i know what does or doesn't make a team money in a ballpark, or arena, or whatever. the Twins have an amazing opportunity to actually start making money at Target Field. it is to their best interest that they consider each and every option.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 8:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 34

ribbon boards really do dress up the dome , they do make it way more fun.... its kinda like a ugly chick with a nice ass.... at least she has a nice ass...

point being Target Field is no ugly hoe, no worries about the skanky clothes (the ribbon) IF SHE LOOKS GOOD SHE DONT NEED 4 HOURS TO0 PUT HERSELF TOGETHER

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 8:56 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 35

Luke, ''
i understand what you are saying and i respect it,

I think Carl Pohlad has plenty of biz sense on how to make money,

ribbon board will be there, its the new thing... dont worry

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 36

roro,
The 411' sign is a bit left of dead center field. I believe the angle of the fence makes it further than 404' just left of dead center.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 37

Rick, I was wondering if you know the reason why they have odd shape bleachers in right-center field (yellow section). Is it just to be unique?

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM by Mathew J. Highlight this comment 38

Luke,

How does the ribbon board make the game/experience less boring? Maybe for a 10 year-old it does. If you're an adult and you're bored at a baseball game because there are no ribbon boards, you need to be somewhere else? Do you think the fans at the Metrodome were bored today? It certainly didn't sound like it on TV. I think they were having a good time because they're watching what's going on out on the field of play. Ribbon boards are a method of relaying messages, info and shameless advertising. They're popular not because they're "fun" as mazarati phrased it, but because they enable an endless amount of info/ads to be displayed. In the past you had fixed advertising with lightbulbs behind them.

I think you should take a poll of the few folks who attend Timberwolves games at the Target Center. Poll them as they walk out of the door after watching their team suck. Do you really think they're thinking to themselves, "Gee this team really sucks and I just wasted "X" amount of dollars watching that crap but I sure had a lot of fun because of the ribbon boards!!"

I doubt it.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 39

good point kevin, i can't imagine "ribbon boards" making a game fun for anyone. this ribbon board discussion is by far the dumbest one ever. it makes that tailgating one seem extremely important. up next... luke discusses the importance of "sports business" and its relation to the foam density used in the outfield wall padding.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 09:09 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 40

I have just a couple questions. For the scoreboard on the right outfield wall, will that be just for the American League scores like it is illustrated on newest images or will it be used also for the National League scores. Also what will that scoreboard above the bullpens be used for.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 09:49 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 41

Jeff - By "above the bullpen" I assume you mean the Main Scoreboard. This is going to be an HD scoreboard, similar to a lot of MLB stadiums now. It will host replays, the batter stats, balls/strikes, etc.

Luke - The Twins have talked about putting a bbq level on the top of the Admin building (Left Field) One level will also host a bar/restaurant. It looks like the Twins took a cue from San Diego's Western Metal Supply building in left field at Petco Park.

Ribbon boards - they're not needed...many teams like the Giants have added them 4 or 5 years after opening their park to add revenue stream

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 10:27 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 42

Mplsgreg,

Do you really want to get into this tailgating thing again?

I don’t feel that it’s a "stupid" topic... especially when Rick noted once that the Twins themselves were considering making a tailgate area on top of the ramp....

Ribbons are stupid but if someone wants to discuss them then let the man have his ribbons ...just don’t take part in any of these "stupid" conversations.

After all this is a site to discuss all things ballpark related…if you want to have a 3 day discussion about the shade of green the seats are then ribbons and tailgating are within the scope of ballpark topics…

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 10:44 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 43

After looking a while at the "Transportation" page of the Target Field web site, I noticed a skyway from the A ramp to just above the Pro Shop (see the link and tell me if I am reading it wrong). I haven't seen or heard of this previously and it doesn't appear that the current state of construction will allow for a skyway there. Does it make sense to have a skyway at that point?

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 10:58 AM by AP Highlight this comment 44

AP,

Good catch on that image! Here's the detail (in purple):


That skyway has long been on the radar, without any certainty that it would be funded. It makes a lot of sense to make that connection, and I think that everyone involved wants to see it get done.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 11:21 AM by Rick 45

the skyway is being built. the met council is releasing funds for this. it was discussed at the august ballpark authority meeting.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 11:39 AM by Tim Highlight this comment 46

OG Jeff, I'm referring to the scoreboard like screen that is directly above the bullpen and to the left of the trees in centerfield. It has the Minnesota Twins logo on the left side and the TC logo on the right. It might not even be a scoreboard for all I know. From what I can read it says something like Next Home Game Minnesota Twins versus Kansas City. Is this just a message board of some sort or will it be used for other purposes.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 47

Jeff,

It might be the Twins-o-gram. At the Met they used a portion of the scoreboard as the Twins-o-gram to display messages such as when the next home game is, etc. That might be what it is but I'm not sure.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 12:24 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 48

Off-topic - They have finished installing the stadia at TCF Bank Stadium over the weekend, click my name to see live cam from Williams Arena. Can't wait for next fall!

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 12:57 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 49

i just threw that in there to get you riled up mazarati, I like tailgating too.

the display board over the bullpen is for the armless "clapping hands" graphic they use at the dome. Nothing else, just the clapping hands over and over.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 50

Click here for the pride of the Twins media department...the only team still utilizing 1982 scoreboard technology on a daily basis.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 2:16 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 51

i enjoy how many bulbs are burned out too....true classiness

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 2:37 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 52

Damn it. I was hoping for the 'Walks Will Haunt' with the floaty ghost graphic. Maybe they are saving that one for the big scoreboard.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 3:03 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 53

One other note, I clicked on the Metropolitan club link on the Twins website and it has a great rendering of the elevated glass wing along with the plaza and the 3rd baseline portion of the seating bowl. A couple things to speculate from this:

1) People's worries about the lack of trees in the Target Plaza nighttime renderings seem unfounded. This shows even more greenery than I had anticipated and backs up what the square cut-outs are currently in the plaza.

2) Ribbon board! A whole string of Ribbon board is visible in the rendering for nearly the entire length of the 3rd base line facade. My guess is Luke and everyone else can sleep tight knowing ribbon board's on the way.

3) On the wall of the parking ramp lining the north side of the plaza, there seems to be an lcd screen. Is that just me? Is it simply a banner that looks like an lcd screen? How cool would it be to display the FSN broadcast for the people running late or waiting for Justin Morneau Plaza shots ala Sheffield Avenue? How about to use on non-game days for other plaza events such as bands or movie nights?

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 54

Yea i got pretty huffy there... look out!

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 55

Anyone watch the farewell ceremonies at Yankee Stadium last night?

I was flipping back and forth between that and football, but it sure seemed like an impressive tribute seeing some of the greatest MLB players of all-time. Obviously, the Metrodome doesn't have the rich history and tradition as Yankee Stadium, but it makes me wonder what the Twins are planning for their final season and, in particular, their final game(s) in the Metrodome on October 2-4, 2009. Afterall, the Metrodome is the home to our two lone world series championships.

I sure won't miss the Metrodome itself, but there have been many great memories which have occurred in that building for as bad as a ballpark which it has been.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 3:51 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 56

Those are big banners shown on the side of the B ramp. HD screens would be great there too.

My personal preference is to hang a gigantic schedule there like they used to paint on the side of the WCCO building in downtown Minneapolis. That wall is now covered by a parking ramp (and the games are on some other low-rent station now anyway), but that gigantic schedule was pretty impressive. It made baseball seem like something pretty important...

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 4:10 PM by Rick 57

Rick,

Do you have any pics of that painted schedule? Was it on the wall that makes up the east side of Dan Kelly's pub? I agree that would be pretty cool to see done on theramp wall too. Too late to pitch it to DSP?

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 58

Yeah, a LOT of history will be lost when Yankee Stadium is razed in the next few months. But what has irked me for more than 30 years are the comments by sportscasters and play-by-play guys who would say, "On this field...this," and "On this field...that," and they'd go on to talk about Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, et. al. Sure, historic events in baseball history took place at thet precise GPS location, but not on that field. When they closed Yankee Stadium in 1973 and renovated it, they lowered the field eight feet. That means that Lou Gehrig's farewell speech actually took place two feet above most current player's heads. Babe Ruth didn't round the bases where they are now, but eight feet above the current diamond. That historic field has been gone for 35 years.
If one wants to talk about Reggie Jackson, Derek Jeter, Roger Clemens, and the scores of recent Yankee greats, fine. But leave Mickey Mantle, Joe Dimaggio, Roger Maris, The Babe and The Iron Horse out of the discussion. That Stadium has been gone for over thirty years. It was replaced by a concrete monstrosity that only vaguely resembled that beautiful, classic ballpark built in the 1920s.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 5:19 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 59

agreed Winona Mike. They wouldn't need a new stadium in New York if they had done the renovations in the 70's correctly. They created a totally different, and dumpy, stadium.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 6:29 PM by haasertime Highlight this comment 60

Looks like the woes continue in DC with Nationals Park. Click my name for an interesting story from The Washington Post. It sure seems like the Twins relationship with Hennepin Cty is far better than the Nationals relationship with the DC Sports Authority. What a mess they have.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 61

Winona Mike - I couldn't agree more. I've been to about 2/3 of the current ballparks in MLB, and my thoughts when I entered Yankee Stadium was more that I was in a 60's/70's multi-purpose concrete cookie-cutter, rather than that I was in something as historic than Fenway or Wrigley.

I certainly don't want to take away what happened there, as the Mick was one of my all-time favorites, but calling it the same place as it was back then simply isn't the truth. Click on my name for a link to a post on baseball-fever that shows just how much was razed of that stadium in the 1975 renovation. The post claims that it's "still the same stadium," but I'll agree only in that the Twins park can currently be made into several different configurations, based on it's current basic foundation...

Moose

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 62

Interesting article kevin in az! That is definitely a big mess they got themselves into in Washington DC. The team is not competitive and their new ballpark is nothing special either. For being their first year in a new ballpark, their attendance was horrible.

It will be interesting to see how things play out with the DC Sports Authority and the Nationals owners.

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 9:25 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 63

alright boys. this is it. after 156 games it all comes down to the final week. 6 games left. can we pull it across the line and get the job done in the Al Central like we have 4 of the past 6 years? i am calling for the twins to take 5 of 6 games this week and for the white sox to drop another sloppy, wet, steaming pile of crap in their pants at the hump dome. at least that's the plan!

let's go twins! let's go!

alright, i have to go get my pom-poms now :-)

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 10:37 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 64

So, I got new neighbors that moved in next to me a couple months ago...huge Chi Sox fans. In fact, they named their dog "Buehrle", yes, after what's his nuts.

Sadly, after our August collapse of pitching and bullpen I'm struggling to find hope. I'm thinking we're going 3-3 or perhaps 4-2 in the last six. Honestly, it seems like neither the Twins or White Sox want to win this thing.

Win Twins!

Posted on September 22, 2008 at 11:01 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 65

im going down to the dome 2night and wend.... the best way to beat the sox is to be LOUD!!!!! they can play in the roller dome!

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 07:47 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 66

Wow since when did people on this blog form up posse's and start lynching people?

So what if Luke likes the Ribbon boards in the park? I do too. It isn't all about advertising. It certainly isn't that way in the X or the T Center. they put up messages that the kids react to. THey show pictures of the players on there and can be used for lots of thngs other than just adds.

I guess my point is that there are lots of little things that people take away from a ballpark that makes us love them. A flagpole, some bleachers, the least of which is the scoreboard or maybe it's accompanyment - the ribbon boards.

Lay off the guy a bit. He has some things to add to this blog and grouping up and savaging him is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 10:32 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 67

Thats so funny.. yea umm it seems like the "ganging up on" has been going on since i first started posting... i was getting it from ever direction... just have thick skin luke! rememeber its just the net and everybody will say things on here to you that they will never say to your face!

I have also noticed that a select few dont take kindly to newcomers....

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 10:39 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 68

I think we have a chance, even though we're 3 games behind in the loss column. The Twins are hard to beat at home.

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 10:57 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 69

Hey boys, it wasnt the commen of having ribbon boards at the new stadium that got everyone riled up. It was the fact that he said without them the new ballpark will be just like the dome....booring. That was his words, so i agree with the ribbon boards, but the comment of saying this will be like the dome without them, well that was just a dumb thing to say

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 12:02 PM by roro Highlight this comment 70

Luke, my sincerest apologies for making fun of the ribbon boards. My new stance is "Ribbon Boards: Good for Target Field, good for America!"

I'm mplsgreg and I endorsed this message.

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 12:48 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 71

Fares proposed for Northstar trains running to the stadium. $7.50 from Big Lake sounds like a pretty nice deal to me. Click name for link.

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 1:23 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 72

Moose97, About 11 posts up you had a link to where this poster had images of Yankee Stadium being rebuilt in 1973. If you read what he wrote, you can see that this guy is mistaken in his belief that it is the same stadium. In the photos the roof has been removed, but nothing else. You can clearly see the support beams still in place. Along with the roof, both the upper decks were later removed, and replaced with cataleveried decks. Not the same stadium at all. Even Yogi Berra has said it has never been the same since the renovation.

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 5:43 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 73

Ooops, I was wrong. The upper deck of Yankee Stadium was not removed. They somehow cataleveried it and added about 15 rows to it's top.

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 6:08 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 74

JohnF - I understand the point of the poster on the Baseball-Fever board; basically that the guts/structural elements of Yankee Stadium are/were the same post renovation, however, the feel of the building was changed so dramatically that it can't be called the same place. Add in the lowering of the field, the removal of key signature pieces (i.e. the friese, left field's death valley), and it just feels like Yankee Stadium died in 1975.

Moose

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 7:03 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 75

how i loathe matt guerrier. that being said nice win by the twins tonight!!

should have been 9-1 instead of 9-3, but our boy matty guerrier has to make sure he serves up at least one home run per outing to maintain his pace. otherwise he just wouldn't feel like he has done his part would he?! :-)

now let's give buerhle a taste of the same thing tomorrow.

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 10:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 76

Do you think Guerrier knows who Rod Davis is? I think I still get shivers down my back when I hear his name. I was 7-9yrs old during his "prime" with the Twins and I can still remember "Ron Davis blows another save."

I forget who's idea it was that mentioned it earlier but the more I think about it, it would be pretty cool if the Twins changed their home jersey to reflect the old "Twins" script with blue letters and red trim. Oh, and get rid of names on homes jerseys too.

One down, five to go!

Posted on September 23, 2008 at 11:52 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 77

The game was a blst last night ... great crowd i was in the cheap seats and it was packed.. i hope 2night is just as fun we are headed back down for one more i doubt there will be to many 1 $ hot dogs around after the 2nd inning

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 07:09 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 78

thanks mplsgreg and others who agree...:)

OK - ribbon boards aside - two questions: how will the Twins display the retired numbers of our greats: Killebrew, Hrbek, Oliva, etc? There's tons of entrances to the ballpark, one entrance for each retired number?

How will the Twins' division, league, World Series championships be displayed? I hope they dont use those same banners that are currently at the Dome...lol. The 3D seat thing has lots of small flagpoles and red and blue flags out on the Home Run Porch...maybe they'll display them there?

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 08:05 AM by Luke Highlight this comment 79

Luke,

From what i rememebr they were planning on making each gate entrance a uni number from the greats.. like a big 34 in from of say.. the left field entrance... i hope they reconsider but thats what i remember... also there will be a minnesota baseball hall of fame i think

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 08:10 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 80

Number at each entrance for the retired players...

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 08:13 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 81

Might be old news, but in the season ticket relocation materials there was a picture of the flagpole from the old Met with a caption that the flag pole will be brought to the new stadium.

The materials also had pictures of the shaded/sunny areas of the park at various times of the day, both in early summer and later summer. Pretty cool.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 08:27 AM by Paul Highlight this comment 82

I am somewhat hoping that the ballpark will feature the "early days" (Walter Johnson and everything before the 1960s) somehow. I hope they bring back the "standings" banners as well.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 08:35 AM by James Highlight this comment 83

Paul - i saw that in the relo guide as well - i didn't really understand it, is it the flagpole that was at the Met? Where have they kept it all these years?
someone alluded to the Twins-O-Gram up there, I hope the Twins-O-Gram died with the Met and isnt resurrected at Target Field.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 09:16 AM by luke Highlight this comment 84

Rick (the owner of this site) recommended the Twins bring over the flagpole. It's been at the Richfield (?) Legion all these years and they agreed to let the Twins bring it to the new park.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 09:31 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 85

i really beleive with the configuartion of this ballpark, there are many options in the future to add areas around the ballpark for additional entertainment. It would be exciting if they somehow incorporated the target plaza like they are in the areas surrounding comerica in detroit or jacobs in cleveland by linking a few stadiums or arenas together. The target center and target field. i have read many blogs about the new targer field from people around the states and there are alot of people that are not overly impressed with this park yet, butmost of them do agree its going to be better then the nationals stadium and citi field for the mets. after looking at the target field from many angles and the new 3d seating view, i would have to say that this stadium could be in line with the park in pittsburgh as one of the best in baseball. I could be a little biased being i live in the cities, but i really believe that. it just seems that there will be a comfortable feeling when watching the game here. howseveryone else feel?

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM by roro Highlight this comment 86

My buddies and I are close to renewing our season tickets and one of the questions we have about Target Field is how the seats in first two rows of the upper deck compare to the Metrodome. I know that Rick had a post about this awhile back - does anyone know if that is still around? I did find this post but I thought there was something more detailed than that.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 09:37 AM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 87

when i talked to "craig" with the twins season tickets sales he told me that they are closer to the action than the dome... i asked cuz i plan on the left field blachers.. that are 18 bucks a game on the main level, versus the home run porch (upper deck) that i think is 20 a game.. he really did not have a better answer to me why they are more spendy for higher up ... not sure if this has to do with more sun, better view of the HD monster up there that wont be visible without sitting in the first 2 rows of the lf bleachers...

I can look at that sexy scoreboard from the METROPOLITAN CLUB sipping a drank!

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 12:32 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 88

Here are some answers for questions from this morning. (Looks like I should probably put up a FAQ page...)

1. The main grandstand upper deck at the new park is almost exactly the same distance from the field as the upper deck at the Metrodome. See this article for a diagram superimposing the two designs (it's a ways down the page).

2. The gates are numbered using the retired numbers of players. This has been in the design since day one. It's possible that they will also be displayed somewhere within the park, but we know nothing about that yet (and probably won't for a while).

3. For the story of the Met Stadium flag pole, click here and here.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 12:43 PM by Rick 89

One more question for ya Rick.

Do you know when they'll begin installing the stadia?

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 1:24 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 90

It looks like the first section will actually be out in left field, and that could be going in any day now.

In the main grandstand, it will start in right field and work around the same way as the concourse construction has. It's just listed on the schedule as "Fall 2008".

They are scheduled to begin seat installation in the spring.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 1:47 PM by Rick 91

How about some new pics? Is the 2nd webcam officially canned? Shucks!!

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 92

DSP was talking with Dick and Bert last week after the big stadium announcements, and he made the comment that they would begin installing the stadia in the next 30-60 days (from a week ago). Quite a wide range; probably the first time I've heard DSP be vague about something... haha!

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM by Brian Highlight this comment 93

Luke, I included a new Twins-O-Gram in my suggestions to DStP. Why wouldn't a new and improved Twins-O-Gram be a great addition to the new park? Let's see, you think that ribbon banners are good, the name "Metropolitan Club" is bad and a return of the Twins-O-Gram is bad...
Did you have a bad experience at the old Met? Its not like we're talking about bringing back Twinkie the Loon, but something tells me you might actually enjoy that.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 94

Sorry I have been slacking on the pics lately....I no longer work downtown making it difficult to swing down to the site. However, I am going to try and get down there next week for some new pictures. I did drive by the site on my way home today and the limestone looks to be going up fast...has anyone seen any pics of the first base limestone?

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 95

Hey, Where's the love for Twinkie?

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM by Twinkie the Loon Highlight this comment 96

Here is a link if anyone is interested in seeing the RCA Dome being deflated in Indianapolis. Its interesting since that dome is very similar to the Metrodome and we could be seeing the same thing in Minneapolis in as early as 2012, depending on the Vikings stadium situation.

It will be quite a sight to see when that day does come when the HHH Metrodome roof is deflated.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 6:14 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 97

I posted some new pics at Baseball-Fever. Courtesy of ezthorson

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 98

blackburn is giving me heartburn. he sails through the 1st inning and now he can't get anyone out.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 7:39 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 99

here we go again...what is it with blackburn and the bottom half of chicago's lineup???

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 8:22 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 100

Whew....What a nailbiter....I have no fingernail left. I think Chicago is starting to feel that big lump in their throats....CHOKE BABY CHOKE!!!

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 9:53 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 101

Give it up for Boof, Majaris and Nathan. Great Win Tonight...let's hope Slowey can come back with a decent start tomorrow too.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 10:00 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 102

I spent the ninth inning pacing in front of the TV. Awesome catch by Gomez! The pressure is definitely on the Sox.

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 103

Hey, you all think you have it bad, I'm IN CHICAGO cheering for the Twins! If the Twins don't win the division I may have to go into hiding until the playoffs are over!

Posted on September 24, 2008 at 10:13 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 104

jeez the RCA dome looks better from the outside than the hump dome....looks more modern..

I think its safe to see we wont see gurreer or however you spell his name again unless there is a 8 run lead

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 06:55 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 105

2010 will be our 50th year in Minnesota. for that amount of time that we've been here, we've played in stadiums - 50,000 seat monstrosities that haven't been good for our beloved ballclub. The Met is history, as is the Hump - let's try something new. it's time to move on from multipurpose stadiums and do something that's uniquely Twins. we have a mascot, TC. therefore, we don't need Twinkie the bird. BTW - I never said the flagpole was a bad idea, you have to have the American flag on something now, dont ya?

and i agree with mazaratirick - the RCA dome aesthetically looked MUCH better than the Metrodome. a bit smaller in the seating capacity. but the RCA had club seats, something the Dome doesnt have - and they didnt have 13,000 retractable seats - something the Dome does have.

awesome game last night for our Twins.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 07:15 AM by luke Highlight this comment 106

don't forget about breslow last night. he was one of the best moves made in season.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 08:12 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 107

can someone re-post the link for the relo guide? i know someone posted it on here once, and i can't find it amongst all the cool meesages...lol.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 09:44 AM by luke Highlight this comment 108

kev in az posted it, click my name

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 11:14 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 109

As for the RCA Dome, it looked a LITTLE better on the outside than the Metrodome, but not a whole lot. It also doesn't have nearly as much history. It also wasn't built to be nearly as versatile as the Metrodome. Consider the fact that no major league baseball team ever played in the RCA Dome. Consider also that only one major sports team played in it. There wasn't a major competition year in and year out between three major organizations for its use and time. Let's not go too overboard saying the RCA Dome was somehow better. It was smaller, it wasn't used nearly as much, its place in history is considerably less. I'm SO glad the Twins are getting a new ballpark, but I was almost 6 years old on the day the Metrodome was inflated and I will have a tear in my eye on the day it is deflated. I will not miss the architecture, but the memories I have of going to games with my parents as a small child, of yelling out to players on the field for autographs, of going to a game with my girlfriend and then later that same woman as my wife two days after our wedding, of simply filling out a scorecard in my seat on a Saturday morning before a gopher game that night with a Chipotle Burrito in my lap. I will make new memories in the new ballpark with my own children and grandchildren as time moves on, but I will still always remember good times in the Dome and I hope you will too.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 11:16 AM by jpberka Highlight this comment 110

Oh... here's another good reason that the Metrodome is far superior to the RCA Dome. We won't still be paying for it for many years after it has ceased to exist. Here's a quote from the article previously linked to: "While the building will soon be gone, another part of its legacy will remain. The city's Capital Improvement Board has $69 million in debt accrued from the dome's construction and improvements." Thankfully, the HHH Dome, if nothing else, is paid for.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM by jpberka Highlight this comment 111

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/min/downloads/y2008/relocation_guide.pdf

Kev in AZ posted it

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 11:12 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 112

I agree with you.. allthough the dome sucks, i grew up in it and i share all those memories, i will be there for atleast the 20 games in my pack next year (including the last game) and it will be the first time i enjoy being in the dome since i was a kid.

I really have been looking for the last few years on old photos of the dome construction but have not found much there are a few pics the strib had of it b4 the dome was put on it.. looked kinda cool if you know a site that i can see some on let me know...

and yes its paid for, and make enough cash for the council to run it with no tax bucks so thats good

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 12:24 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 113

Oh, I agree that the dome as a structure definitely sucks. It served its purpose though. My uncle from Denver loves to refer to it as Hubert H Humphrey State Penetentiary as the concourses feel so much like a prison. I simply believe that if we were to compare the Dome to the RCA Dome, it is important to remember that Indianapolis didn't have to build a facility that had to become the home of several different organizations and do the best it could to make it work for all of them. I'm so intensely glad we're getting away from the "multi-purpose" era and on to seeing a game the way it is meant to be seen. In all honesty, I'm also pretty pumped about that Metropolitan Club though. ;-)

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 12:37 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 114

Does anyone else recall a huge rock that was unearthed when excavating for the Metrodome? I seem to remember them digging it out and hauling it to a place of prominence, but I could be wrong.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 1:18 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 115

The big rock story is true! It was relocated to "a bank in Plymouth."

I've tried to find it without success. If anybody knows where that rock is -- or even if you just know of a building in Plymouth with a great big rock in front of it -- let me know and I'll run right out and take some pictures!

(For the uninitiated: As they dug out the bowl for the Metrodome, this gigantic rock appeared. They tried everything to break it up -- including dynamite -- and it just wouldn't budge. So they moved it instead.)

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM by Rick 116

I completely agree about the Metrodome and the memories. I was born in 1982 so I am as old as the Metrodome and don't remember much of the early years. I always remember the legendary Bob Casey saying "Nooooo Smoking in the Metrodome" or his "Kirrbyyyyyyy Puckett" introduction. Of course 1987 and 1991 are the biggest highlights of that dome. I remember going to games in the mid 90's where we were lucky to draw 10,000 fans/game during those down years. Salute to Education nights (every night of the week, not just Wednesday nights)where you could get the best available seat for only $1 (including lower reserved) as long as you were a student or had a college ID. That promotion was one of the best ever! The Scott Erickson no-hitter in 1994, Dave Winfield 3,000 hit in 1996, Eric Milton no-hitter in 1999, Cal Ripken 3,000 hit in 2000. Frank Thomas 600 HR. Scott Baker's near no-hitter. Seeing one of my idols Ken Griffey Jr playing those years with the Mariners. The 1993 filming of Little Big League and being in that stadium yelling, "Billy, Billy, Billy". Kirby Puckett weekend in 1997. The Chuck Knoblauch hot dog fiasco in left field, and more recently the division championships of 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2006 (and 2008???) as well as the career of Johan Santana going from prospect to CY Young dominance including his team record 17K's last year against Texas...those are just a few of the memories of going to Twins games in the Metrodome.

So many games, so many players, so many memories...whether we like the Dome or not, the Memories will last forever and will be missed just as much as we look forward to making the new memories at Target Field.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 117

Thanks Rick,
As I get older I often have to question whether my memories are fact or fiction. Find the "Plymouth rock"!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 1:36 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 118

luckylager,

I'm reading a very good book now that makes quite a convincing case that ALL of our memories are essentially fiction. It's scary!

But for this nugget -- pardon the pun -- I'm relying on the official Metrodome opening day souvenir book.

Does that make it true? Well, as I say, I've never been able to find the thing...

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM by Rick 119

Obviously I have a year yet to wax poetic about the Dome so I don't want to go too far just yet, but I must admit that I am looking forward to game 1 as well as game 81 next year at the Dome. I'm looking forward to all of the "for the last time" type moments. Every single time a team comes to town for the last time, it'll be mentioned. We'll see Target Field really coming into its own next summer as the work turns more internal rather than external. Next year will be very special because major league franchises just don't get to do this very often. It's possible, if Target Field proves to be a resounding success, that we'll never see it again in our lifetimes.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 120

Rick,

During my internet research and also @ the minnesota history center i have heard about the plymouth rock!... i think it was a huge peice of granite or somthing...

you know what in 3 years lets start a bring back the dome website!!! and next year lets have save the dome t shirts... im kidding of course..its getting kind of mushy in here..

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 121

How about moving the rock to Target Plaza? It'd be a nice connection back to the Dome. We've got the flagpole, why not complete the history with the rock?

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM by David Highlight this comment 122

My apologies! Don't take me the wrong way! I'd blow the place up myself if I could! I just saw those pics of RCA Dome and thought about how I'll feel, that's all. Let me point out something about the Dome: I have regular headaches. Been a part of my life, so I'm used to it. Various things trigger them. One thing that I have found TRULY triggers them is walking into a pressurized room with a teflon roof being held up by fans. I get one every time. If I don't go to a Twins game with Excedrin in my pocket, it will be a miserable experience. So, I hope that makes things less mushy.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 2:44 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 123

ballparks.com supposedly has a photo of the rock in question on their page about the dome. I have added the link to my name.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 3:12 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 124

Regarding the Plymouth Rock i found this website page that has a small pic, a little story about it. http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/MinnesotaVikings/index.htm

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 2:54 PM by Tracy F. Highlight this comment 125

Well, let's find this Metrodome rock!

From the page on the Vikings site, the boulder was moved to "First Bank Minneapolis's Plymouth branch." I believe that First Bank is now US Bank. Their web site shows two Plymouth branches:

3305 Plymouth Blvd
4105 Lancaster Ln

I checked Google maps and didn't see a boulder near either of these, but those satellite photos sometimes obscure even big details.

Of course, the "new First Bank branch" in 1979 may be long-abandoned by now. If it was, it's most likely to have been occupied by another bank, but not necessarily. Some of those stand-alone bank branches get torn down pretty quickly if a reuse is not found.

Somebody who visits this site must live in Plymouth and have seen that rock.

Let's hear from you!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 4:32 PM by Rick 126

Who's gonna build one of these in honor of the Dome? Click my name.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 127

Rick,
Thanks for the link to that book. I may just have to buy it. Sounds very interesting!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 128

If the rock is not quickly found, I have an idea: On the 4th Floor of the Minneapolis Central Library, old phone books are stored on microfiche and I am told they would have phone books from that time period. This would be a quick way to find that bank location address, assuming someone wants to go down and look it up.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 5:27 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 129

Some new construction pics are posted on the Twins Target Field page.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 5:37 PM by Mo Highlight this comment 130

Luke H,
I was just reading your message about Bob Casey. He was an icon from even before you and the Metrodome were born. I can remember the bomb threat at the Met, "Ladies and Gentlement, there's going to be an explosion in 10 minutes."

I remember sitting in the 2nd deck of the grandstand at the Met. We all stood for the national anthem, it was dead silent. This beautiful woman from St Louis Park was standing at homeplate with a microphone to sing the anthem. She started out fine but screwed up the lines badly, she paused and then blurted out, "AW SHIT!" The place erupted in laughter and you could hear Bob Casey busting a gut in the pressbox. Oh I miss Bob Casey.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 131

arghhhhhh!!! regardless of what happens in tonight's game....it is gonna take me a while to get over the cluster-f*ck that was the top of the 4th inning! unbelievable what a missed pop fly in right field can turn into. then to top it off slowey may be out for a while. let's hope not.

that said.....go twins! let's get 'em all back

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 8:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 132

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK GERUERR#% WHY IS HE IN.... OH NO FATFACE IS COMING IN FOR HIM... WHAT IS WRONG WITH GARDY? LETTING THESE 2 PITCH IS LIKE WAVING THE WHITE FLAG! ITS ONLY A 3 RUN GAME IN THE 4TH FOR GODS SAKE.....IM GOING CRAZY COME ON TWINS

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 8:48 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 133

would love to have those runs we left on base on the bottom of the 4th & 5th innings. come on mauer! tie it up with one swing

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 9:19 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 134

14 men left on base through 6 innings....NOT GOOD!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 9:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 135

Where would this team be without Denard Span this year...WOO HOO!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:00 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 136

C'mon Joe...Bring him home!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:03 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 137

Ok, Morneau is going to walk off next inning....I'm making my call!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:05 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 138

joe, joe, joe.......we can not leave span at 3rd base with one out!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:06 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 139

CMON!!! I'm going to jump off my balcony if they don't score!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:18 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 140

dammit

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:21 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 141

sorry Rick, you're going to need a new thread after tonight.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:23 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 142

"Plymouth Rock" is located in the front lawn of a Bank in Plymouth just south of Highway 9. It sits across the street from a nearly totally abandoned mall called the Four Seasons Mall. The mall can be seen from Hennepin County Highway 169 on the highway's west side. Head west on Highway 9 until you cross 169. At the first set of stop lights (there'll be a shopping center featuring a Cub Foods on the northwest corner), turn left. The road will curve to your left with the defunct Four Seasons Mall on your left. On your right, you'll see The Rock.

I hope this helps.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:24 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 143

c'mon Span....base hit....just a base hit....c'mon!!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:35 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 144

c'mon Casilla....you can do it!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:36 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 145

The Bank sits at the intersection of Lancaster Lane N and Pilgrim Lane N in Plymouth. There's a nice aerial view of the bank with the rock prominently displayed on the front lawn if you go to Windows Live Local. Type in the intersection on the search bar, and select "Bird's Eye" view. You can revolve the image to suit your taste.

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:37 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 146

YES YES YES.....HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:38 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 147

Woo hoo!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 148

What a win!! One of the best wins I have seen!!! They still have some work to do, but these boys look ready!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:43 PM by meatball Highlight this comment 149

as the homeboy mr buck once said....."and well see you 2marrow night"!!!!!!!!!

we live to figt another day baby!!!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:43 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 150

Well, what do you know? Another Chicago choke. They had the Twins on the ropes with six games to go, and they come to town and get swept. Har Har Har!
But the Twins showed what playing sound baseball can do. They don't rely on bambers to get the job done. They look like experts playing small ball, and should they stay ahead of the Sox, should they manage to get to The Series, their game is perfectly suited to face National League clubs.

GO TWINS!!

Posted on September 25, 2008 at 10:45 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 151

Luke H. you make me feel old. It was in '84 when I went to my first Twins game (yeah, kind of a late start). It was camera night and my friend invited me along with his dad. The Twins did kind of suck then so the lines to get pictures with Kirby, Herbie, Bruno, Gaetti, Bush, Viola, hey, even Tim Teufel. I wish I knew where those pictures were. But it was all downhill after that.

The thing I liked about the '87 series is that I think I was still too young to comprehend the magnitude of it all. It was almost like, "Of course they should win." I had no idea the powerhouse STL was supposed to be. The '91 series while in the 10th grade, I felt every sway that year. Though mazaratirick mentioned Jack Buck I was never a fan of him. I'm totally not a fan of Joe Buck AT ALL. He seems to come across like he has a constant stick up his butt, "Oh, my dad is Jack Buck..." Not that he says that but as if he deserves the same level of admiration and crap. Wow, I've really gone sour.

Awesome win tonight. WIN TWINS!!!

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 02:15 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 152

Yeppers I remember when they put that rock there right in front of the bank and I belive there is even A plaque some wheres around it that mentions where it came from. Most often you can see kids playing on the thing not even knowing they are playing on A little bit of history heheh. Oh yea that wonderful mall across from the bank it was much better back when it was built around 1977 or so but not so good these days. Maybe someone could do something to revitalize that someday heheheheh. People around here are so used to seeing the big thing everyday that you sometimes forget that big rock is even here.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 02:43 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 153

Thanks, Winona Mike and Leroy. I knew that we'd be able to find that boulder!

There used to be a dance studio in that little mall and I did a bunch of work for them a long time ago. Never noticed the boulder, though. Next time I'm out that way I'll get some pix.

And you youngsters are making ME feel old. I saw my first Twins game sometime in the late 60s! Can't remember exactly when (I was in 1st or 2nd grade), but it was on grass under sky -- I remember that much. Can't wait for that treat again.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 02:57 AM by Rick 154

Chuck...

I HATE Joe Buck.... i really really hate him... for the exact same reasons you dislike him... i was a kid then and i rememeber watching the game and hearing his voice (Jack) when that ball went over the fence .. he was so calm... so ..relax like it was no big deal....

I will rememebr thsoe words forever...

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 07:44 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 155

Chuck in AK, I too was in 6th grade in '87 & 10th grade in '91. I know exactly what you mean about '87. It was SO exciting but I didn't appreciate that we were massive underdogs to Detroit as well as St. Louis. When '91 came around, I was completely absorbed by that team. In love! One of the great memories I have from high school. It made me a Twins fan through a whole lot of lean times in the late 90s, made me stick it through, even buying the MLB package off satellite just to watch losing Twins teams when I was working a job in Kansas in '99 & '00 before hope was reborn. I suppose, for that reason, although I remember both series, I consider the '91 series to be MY series. I know lots of people really love '87, but I suppose it depends on how old you are. Heck... there are kids in their senior year of high school who weren't even BORN in 1991!

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 08:45 AM by jpberka Highlight this comment 156

Great win last night. I've had the Sep. 27 game on my calendar for a month and was hoping it would mean something. I'll be in the cheap seats screaming with the other 41,045!

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 09:41 AM by David Highlight this comment 157

41,045? think agian... if the twins keep winning that game will be sold out.. im talking 46k... im going 2night sec 123!!!!!best seats i have had all year and got them free! with Frankie pitching im sure there will be 44k 2night!!

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 10:29 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 158

Yeah, the Twins ticket site is super busy right now... I got a message about waiting due to high traffic levels.

Ballpark Note: The Shell gasoline station near the new park has now closed since being sold to Holiday gas stations. I listened to the new owner give a brief presentation at the North Loop meeting, and he's planning on renovating the entire station, using limestone to match the ballpark's look. I think they see it being similar to Bobby and Steve's...kind of a one-stop-shop kwik-e-mart.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 10:36 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 159

Regarding "the rock", I never even knew about that story! What's worse, is that I've driven around that area of Plymouth so many times and never noticed it! Next time I'm back in MN I'm going to go check it out. And: GO TWINS!

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 10:44 AM by Joe Highlight this comment 160

Thats a good thing about the shell, its a pretty big hang out for drug dealers washing their escalades and stuff... oh ues to be at least

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 10:55 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 161

Joe Buck sucks. I was happy that moss mooned Green Bay and then Joe Buck comes in right away and says "that is a disgusting act by Randy Moss" ever since then I have hated Joe Buck.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 11:18 AM by Matthew Highlight this comment 162

I agree about Joe Buck...lol.

does anybody else think that our new seating configuration looks similar to Safeco Field in seattle?

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 11:27 AM by luke Highlight this comment 163

According to the star tribune
"Wednesday's game received a 13.6 rating on FSN North, the second-highest Twins telecast on the network dating to 1997. One ratings point in the Twin Cities these days equals 17,067 households."

That means 232,111.2 households were tuned into last night's game. I would say that's pretty darn good. I'm glad I have an MLB.tv package so I can watch the White Sox games this weekend too.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 164

For those that don't have MLB.tv or extra innings, the Saturday White Sox/Indians game will be on WGN starting at 6pm central time.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 165

Thanks Kevin

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 166

Nothing was worse than watching the Cards - Tigers World Series a couple of years ago with Joe Buck announcing. I'm surprised they even let him with his previous Cardinals affiliation. I've never heard such a bias a$$ kissing telecast quite like that one. He sucks.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 2:02 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 167

mplsgreg, are you thinking about tim mccarver? he was the cardinals catcher back in the day and he can't shut up about them.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 2:19 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 168

I have no beef with Buck or McCarver. In fact, whenever it's not them doing the Saturday games, I feel like I'm getting the second or third string squad. That can be pretty painful. Kenny Albert? Yuk.

That's when I switch to SAP (separate audio program) on my TV. It's usually all of the ballpark sounds without any talking. Sublime.

The worst announcers I ever encounter, though, are the ESPN radio knobs. Can't think of their names right now, but to them, if it ain't on the East coast, it ain't worth shit. That can be very maddening.

Click my name for The Onion's coverage of the new Yankee's vacation stadium in the Hamptons.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 2:39 PM by Rick 169

I didn't see it in the paper today and haven't seen anyone here talking about it, being we are in first place now............ the MAGIC NUMBER IS 4.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 3:19 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 170

This team just can't do anything the easy way...Liriano can't get anyone out in the 3rd inning, the Sox have taken the lead on the Indians....!$!%$#%%^&$#%!#$%

At least it's early, hopefully the boys comeback again tonight.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 171

I noticed on the Target Field site in the items on the left it says "Webcams" (plural). Still no 2nd cam, though. Could be any day now? Royals pitchers must have had a scout at Twins-Sox series--lots of big curves for the Twins hitters, can't pull the trigger.

Posted on September 26, 2008 at 8:54 PM by Jeff 'n StPaul Highlight this comment 172

like that new pic you have on the header to the page there. nice to see the park rising from that 5th st view. charley walters had a blurb in his column that target field construction is now 45% complete.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 01:43 AM by Tim Highlight this comment 173

MAGIC NUMBER IS NOW 3

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 174

annoying customer, you are right, mccarver is a pain too. but i was thinking of buck, he and his dad were both announcers for the cards.

regarding that nice shot of rick's from 5th street - if you're in the area I highly recommend wandering over to the park right now. you will see a lot that is hidden from the webcam by wandering to the 5th st and 2nd ave bus terminal. they took down a couple of the fences so you can walk right up to dead center field and poke your head over the wall and look right through to home plate. also a great view of all the steel structure that is being built to support the upper deck against the parking structure next to the plaza. the steelwork defintely goes up faster than the concrete, it changes every day.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 11:10 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 175

Does anyone here think or know whether or not the Twins will finally change their logo and uniforms in concordance with the Target Field opening? I'm getting tired of the logo and unis we've had for the last 22 years.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM by luke Highlight this comment 176

All these new people keep bringing up old stuff. Yes they should change logos and uniforms but keep the TC hats home and road. I'd like to see an alternate jersey with the red TC hat and also wear our current uniforms for a throwback jersey.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 11:49 AM by baseball Highlight this comment 177

game sucked yesterday... the one thing i noticed about sitting in the rich seats (sec 123)that nobody knows shit about baseball... there were 3 chcks behinds us talking about these boys they hung out with last week .. for 7 innings!!!!!!!

well the plaza was fun 3 hours b4 game time me and my girl were out there sippin beers and iwon the dorky triva contest...won tickets to todays game so im on my way don there now...

I SHOOK DSP'S HAND LOL I WAS GONNA GIVE HIM CRAP ABOUT THE 2ND WEBCAM BUT I COMPLETLY FORGOT ABOUT IT !!! he was out shaking hands and smiling it up in from of the main gate... dammit to many miller lite and i completly forgot ... im sorry guys

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 12:31 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 178

The TC logo will stay forever. Some things should never be changed. If you want to tweak my uniform or tweak the scripting of "Twins" across my chest to look like it did in the 60s/70s that's fine but no new logo. I've already had to share time with the "M" it's now back to the TC. If anything, I'd like to see my long lost cousin, the State of MN with the Minneapolitan and St Paulite shaking hands across the Mississippi. Where did he go?

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 12:47 PM by I am Twins Uniform Highlight this comment 179

Keep the current uniforms - they are perfect. Lose the "M" logo road caps - never liked them. TC caps all the way. Old style, powder blues, as alternative uniform. MPLS/St Paul guy logo patch on the sleeve of both home and away jerseys.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 2:21 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 180

the state and "twins" shaking hands is on the sleeve of the current twins uni.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 2:57 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 181

It would sure be nice to have more runs for Perkins. Sure it's 2-0 in the 5th but we've already hit into 2 DP's and have left a few in scoring position. C'mon we need runs!!!!!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 4:16 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 182

what kevin in az said.......need more runs. can't leave guys on base.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 4:27 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 183

Boof "I'm a clusterfuck" Bonser......Thanks alot!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 184

Boof faces 4 and can't get an out. I can't watch anymore. Where are my rolaids?

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 4:43 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 185

how in the world the royals only scored one run in that horrible inning, i will never know.

nice work by breslow & believe it or not matt guerrier

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 4:55 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 186

And then the real Matt Guerrier shows up the next inning. BAH.
They need to capitalize on this rally right now. This series can't be a letdown after the previous one. C'mon Joe!!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 5:33 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 187

C'mon Justin, you need to show up!!! They're loaded for ya. Hit it in the gap!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 188

Or ground into a DP on the first mother f'n pitch...%$#^E%$^&%$#^

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 5:35 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 189

and justin morneau is NOT the MVP. hate to say it, but he has really stunk it up at the plate the last couple weeks. how do you ground into a DP in that situation justin. 1st pitch?!?

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 190

20 men left on base through 8 innings, morneau and gomez account for 9 of them. I can't believe how badly they're playing against the class AAA Royals. Mazarati, you've been to the past 2 games, you're bad luck, you're hereby banned from the Metrodome!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 191

i hear that october is a great month for golfing

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 6:12 PM by pessimist Highlight this comment 192

I meant to say 10 left on base....fat fingers....
ooh looky there, Mauer now grounds into a DP....oh screw it, GO INDIANS!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 6:27 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 193

How about we all go to the twins website and play around with the 3-D seating animation of Target Field for awhile? Damn it!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 6:36 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 194

ok..... what a waste for a weekend.... i blame ron gardenhire for this loss he brought in the "anit win" aka Matt Guerrier it was sad i was screeming soon as he came in... then he gave up the game as expected.. shouold of brought in majares???? its do or die... win or go home.. they look like they want to go home......i need a shot!!!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 6:53 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 195

kevin dont worry , i aint going back til next year.... they won wends and i was there but i agree i really felt like im bad luck the last 2 days...

even if we are lucky facks and make the playoffs i will stay clear of the dome.....

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 6:56 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 196

just to add some levity to the conversation it looks like maybe the indians or royals should be the team representing the al central in the playoffs with the way they have both been playing as of late!

to be realistic, i don't give the twins or white sox much of a chance in the playoffs at this point.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 7:19 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 197

I agree Betaband, I doubt either the Twins or White Sox would go past the first round of the playoffs. I'll just be glad to win the division to know that we ruined Chicago's season and go to see Ozzie whine some more. The Twins have exceeded everyone's expectations this year but it's equally frustrating knowing all of the chances they've had all year. They easily could have had this division wrapped up a week ago or even sooner. Cleveland is up 7-1 in the 5th as I type and the Mighty Whities only have 1 hit. Looks like Chicago doesn't want to win the division either.

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 7:25 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 198

just thing guys how many wins we would have right now if not for the weak bulpen , we would have clinched 2 weeks ago...

i am sso sick of teams wearing the swiming goggles during the post game celbrations... the 2002 twins came up with that.. latroy hawhins and them dd that first.. now the angels and bo soxs rock them.....maybe torri and papi are selling our secrets

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 8:31 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 199

and suddenly the indians decide they want to make their game with the white sox interesting. come on cleveland!

Posted on September 27, 2008 at 8:36 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 200

Thank God the Indians came up big! Although, there are too many more combinations for tomorrow to have the White Sox and Detroit playing on Monday. What a buzz kill that will be to a celebration to "win" the division on an off day just because the Sox lost a make up game (at worst hopefully that's the scenario). I say let's just get this thing wrapped up tomorrow. It would be nice to have a couple days off before going to Tropicana Field.

WIN TWINS!!!

(oh, and go Cleveland...just this once to help us knock off the Sox)

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 04:09 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 201

just this once, you mean just this 3rd time

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 10:34 AM by Go Twins Highlight this comment 202

I don't know about you guys, but Youtube absolutely fascinates me. I just love how people are posting old footage. Click on my name for a 1977 report on Rod Carew hitting .400 through the first half of the season and how he attracted fans to flock to the Met that summer. Look at the sunshine, green grass...COMING AGAIN SOON!!!

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 203

Screw the change in uniforms. Bring back leisure suits and big hair! And how far has sports broadcasting come???

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 1:50 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 204

I've had it with this punchless offense. We should be up 6-0 right now.

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 2:22 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 205

Dick and Bert were talking about "winning the Twins way" -- which these days appears to be the same as "waiting for the other team to suck."

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 2:27 PM by Rick 206

I think "Hawk" Harrelson (Chi Sox commentator) said it best last night: "The Twins keep trying to die, and the White Sox keep giving them CPR..."

Where did the extra base hits disappear to? If the Twins win this one Baker should take all the credit, not getting much help.

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 2:52 PM by Brian Highlight this comment 207

Rick, I find it so amusing that Hawk Harrelson would say that. He's not an announcer, he's just a lousy cheerleader. Fact, in the two losses to the Indians, Sox pitching gave up 23 runs. Who's giving who CPR?

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 8:04 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 208

screw "hawk", the fact is the sox should be ashamed of themselves for being in a race with the twins.. we are the have nots... they are the haves..... we are over achervers... the white sox suck!!!!!!!!!

now go ahead and elimnate the D-boys!

Posted on September 28, 2008 at 8:29 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 209

Good luck Tigers!

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 12:37 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 210

From today's Downtown Journal:

The city of Minneapolis has put together a series of recommendations on how to handle security at Sharing and Caring Hands, a meal service for the homeless at 525 N. 7th St.

Pending City Council approval, city staff asked Sharing and Caring Hands to put together a more comprehensive security plan that designates a primary security liaison and creates a security camera monitoring system.

The plan should also include criminal background checks for employees, the number and type of security personnel, more safety measures at entrances and exits, security training for employees, enforcement of trespassing violations, and a timely response to Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) requests for information on Downtown crimes.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 12:55 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 211

Sharing and Caring Hands is always going to be a problem, but no one wants to crusade against it. The Far Left Star Tribune gives this place plenty of good publicity, and many of the other media organizations either support it or stay silent. Anyone who tries to get ths place moved or shut down is demonized and smeared by the supporters of this place. So until someone is willing to take the risk of political suicide to shut it down or move it, nothing will happen.

One easy way to deal with Sharing and Caring hands is to make it undesireable to stay where they are. Jack up the places taxes, or find some obscure law we can religiously enforce. At the very least, just have a heavy dose of law enforcement on hand to discourage them from doing something stupid. If the shady people they serve at the shelter feel the cops/ city are going to ignore them, they will do whatever they like, but if the city/ cops show they will crack down, the crooks will think twice about causing trouble and maybe even go away.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 1:51 PM by Alex D. Highlight this comment 212

Nail on the head, Alex. I don't know that we need to jack the taxes, but the community needs a reality check. I live fairly close to SACH, and I can tell you it's not like used needles and crackpipes are surrounding the place, but there's absolutely a drug presence. Last night while walking past the new park a guy told me he needed money to go to SaCH. I said "dude, you don't need money to go there". Another two homeless guys were sitting in a doorway near the Anytime Fitness next to the new park. As I walked by one of them said to the other "I don't give a F--k if you own a house, smokin crack is good times."

Before anyone rants about SaCH, I suggest you check out their website and learn up on them. There's a lot of great intentions (and good things done) at SaCH, it just attracts a dangerous crowd right now...and I think we as a community should move them if we can - but help them find a safe place where it makes sense for them to be.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 213

Amen!!! smoking crack is good times!!!!!!

thats fun stuff!

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 3:37 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 214

whatever. screw "recommendations" for sharing & caring needles. just shut the s-hole down for violation after violation and let "screaming mary jo copeland" figure it out on her own. i am down with that lady and that place. it does not deserve to be treated any differently.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 5:08 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 215

excuse me. that should have read: "done with that lady and that place"

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 216

are the detriot tiger batters even trying today? until the top of the 5th it did not seem so. for a while looked like they were just mailing it in. maybe leyland gave them a little talking to??

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 5:47 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 217

Tigers just took the lead.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 5:53 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 218

Looks like we'll have to win the hard way.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 6:26 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 219

Looks like Guerrier would fit in nicely with the Tigers bullpen. Damn you Detroit!!!!!

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 220

I'm not a big fan of sharing and caring hands being right near the ballpark. But I'm pretty sure I don't want to see the city, county, or state get involved in illegal practices such as "jacking up their taxes" or any other ridiculous schemes.

And maybe since the Star trib won't say anything bad, and apparently every other rag.... there isn't anything to be said. Sharing and Caring hands, like them or not, were there before the Twins.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 6:59 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 221

Is anyone without-a-doubt confident that we will win the tiebreaker? ...and if so, can I have some of what you're having?

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 7:30 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 222

i am calling it now. twins win tomorrow. that 4 run 6th inning chicago had was because of the complete ineptitude of the tigers catcher & bullpen. 4 walked batters and 4 wild pitches. other than ramierez hitting a meat ball right down the middle of the plate on the first pitch of his at bat the white sux bats looked weak as hell today. let's hope blackburn can keep the ball down tomorrow and do the same to them.

TWINS WIN!!

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 7:40 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 223

I'm kind of glad the Sox won today. I think this division should be decided by a game played by the two teams at the top. If the Twins didn't want this kind of drama, they should have won more than 1 of the last 3 games vs KC. Or they can attribute to all of the blown games by middle-relievers. Or they can attribute it to all of the situations with men in scoring position which were stranded. Yes they've overachieved this year. Yes they exceeded everyone's expectations, however, they have let so many grand opportunities slip away. If it slips away tomorrow, they'll only have themselves to blame.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 8:01 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 224

I wonder if the Mets would let us borrow Santana for tomorrow. Boy it sure would be nice having him in our rotation right now.

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 8:03 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 225

That looked like a set up if i ever saw one, the tigers catcher was missing and missing the pitches and then calls for a bases loaded meatball high and hard... it was to easy... almost planned....

im just saying...

Posted on September 29, 2008 at 9:29 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 226

Can anyone explain why we're playing this game in Chicago. Oddly enough, not only do we have the same record but our home/away split AND record against the AL Central is the same too! On top of that we've scored more runs than Chicago has. And we've also beaten them 10-8 this season (with one game washed out, but it had to have been made up since we've both played 162). What other condition am I missing?

I was watching the game today on a treadmill at the gym. Guess which couple of innings I just happened to catch? I was yelling at the TV. Kevin, you said it best, "Damn you Detroit!"

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 12:37 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 227

Chuck,

The location of tie-breaker games is decided by coin toss.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 12:41 AM by Rick 228

Tonight's game is at 6:37pm on TBS/TBSHD. I really hope to scramble to figure out my Thursday schedule rather than not having a game to watch...

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 09:58 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 229

On the webcam they are adding dirt to the plaza nearest the right field fence. When they originally poured the plaza, the last 30 feet or so were angled downhill towards the field. They are adding the dirt so they can have the proper elevation for the different seating sections there... Pretty cool. It looks like they are getting ready add the stadia here first. I'm no engineer, but that's my thoughts as to what they are doing if I even made sense...

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:27 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 230

Rick, hmmm, somehow I didn't get that memo. When was that announced or is that just common knowledge and I'm an idiot?

J2K, I noticed yesterday on the web cam that you can now see steel framing poking out from behind the parking garage near the corner of the plaza. You know, a second web cam would be great to see what's happening on the other side. I don't know, just a thought.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 11:37 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 231

Man, I hope they start installing the stadia soon. The view from the webcam has been pretty boring the past couple of weeks.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 232

I hope I'm wrong but I really don't like our chances tonight. Blackburn on the road makes me wanna throw up. Just hope the rays kill the sox in the playoffs.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 233

Don't jump the gun Matt. Sure Blackburn has had his troubles this year, but John Danks is no Nolan Ryan either. His scouting report is printed below:

White Sox: Danks will be pitching on short rest, but he did not work very long on Friday against Cleveland, lasting four innings and allowing seven runs on seven hits. He threw 80 pitches in that game, which means he should still be relatively fresh come Tuesday. He's struggled since late August, posting a 4.91 ERA over his past seven starts. He earned a win in only one of those starts. Danks is 1-1 with a 7.91 in four starts against Minnesota this season.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 234

I think its time for a much needed update!!!!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 1:58 PM by WIN TWINS Highlight this comment 235

The coin-flip decision was made about 2 and a half weeks ago (as they were for all potential game 163's), and they typically go un-noticed, until they matter, as folks are otherwise occupied when they happen (click my name for the story on whitesox.com)

Moose

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 2:23 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 236

Is it just me or am i the only one who think the twins have MORE than a chance to beat the sox 2night? since when did this slow, old group of over paid and under producing has beens become a unstoppable force that everybody (mostly the sox themselves) make them to be.

So what is on the road, so what if its windy.. they suck! we just swept them and they only won 2 out of the last 8 games and that is counting that thing they played yesterday that looked like the tigers but was really a bunch of sore rich guys pissed off about having to delay their vacation another day.

The Twins have nothing to lose, all we needed was a chip, chair and a chance and we got it... now its big time... but this is "THE SUMMER OF STUN" everybody thought this team would finish in last
place this year and now we are in a playoff! local media doubts the twins, chicago media is packing the bags for tampa....This is more than a winnable game....

GO TWINS, SEE YOU @ THE DOME THIS WEEKEND!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 3:23 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 237

well said mazaratirick, well said. i couldn't agree more. always the loyal trooper.

WIN TWINS!!

Beta-

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 3:41 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 238

I seem to remember that the Sox scored five runs yesterday on exactly one hit. OK, it was a grand slam, but how often is THAT going to happen?

They looked like they were taking a page out of the Twins recent playbook by just waiting for the other team to suck -- which they truly did. That strategy worked out pretty well for the Twins last week against the South Siders.

So I think the Twins have a real shot tonight.

WIN TWINS!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 3:41 PM by Rick 239

A hit would be nice.....Gosh guys, COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 7:31 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 240

I'm a Minnesota sports fan, losing in the playoffs is ingrained in me. I hate it!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 241

I understand Matt. I lived through 4 superbowl chokes, 3 NFC Championship chokes. Sandy Koufax's gem in '65.

Mauer and Morneau sure suck!! Way to go on vacation early guys!
Blackburn pitched his ass off tonight, can't blame him at all.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 8:38 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 242

Is it just me or does Dick Stockton sound like he has never announced a baseball game before. Harold Reynolds is always good, but Stockton seems confused all the time. Annoying!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 8:52 PM by Joe Highlight this comment 243

GO RAYS !! Tough loss tonight. A game like this makes you look back to a lot of games the Twins should have won in the last 6 weeks. They only needed ONE. Ouch.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:09 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 244

well could have used a few hits there boys,,,,m & m boys stunk it up i really think Kubel should have got the start but oh well....good year all in all

now the rays will take out the SUX and i will root for the brewers maybe my girl's family will get me playoff tickits

see you @ twinsfest, on the bright side only ONE season left in the dome!!!!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:09 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 245

I don't think we should sit here and bash the near MVP and batting champ. Bottom line is if we could have scored 2 runs, all the lousy White Sox hitters would 'sucked' having only scored 1 run. I agree the TBS announcers are absolute morons. How can they say Blackburn was anything short of amazing compared to the expectations??

I think the real disappointment here is the coin toss situation. Why can't the game be held at a neutral site? I digress; I look forward to the Sox getting beat real soon.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:11 PM by Brian Highlight this comment 246

coin flipper for white sux MVP

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:13 PM by Grant Highlight this comment 247

Brian, Forget about a neutral site for a tiebreaker. That to me makes no sense at all. As mentioned before. The Twins won the season series 10 games to 8 (now 9) and that should be the determining factor for the home field PERIOD. Still no excuse for not being able to score a single run. This rule should be changed for next year. Anybody have Bud Seligs telephone number ?

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:19 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 248

now comes november choose my seats for 2009, then twins fest, then spring training.. then relocate my seats to Target Field!!!!! looks like im over the loss allready!

not to mention the soild club we will have next year!

this was a fun season and they over acheved... it was worth ever buck i spent!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 249

Its frustrating watching a game with an announcer that doesn't know the Twins. Kinda of like when they showed Slowey on the bench and Dick Stockton called him Blackburn.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:29 PM by AB21 Highlight this comment 250

I just have to say this and then I can think about next season. Tonight's game proves without a doubt in my mind, that it is extremely important to have at least one guy who can consistently hit 35-40 homers a year. Just think of all the games the Twins lose that could be decided by one homer. That is THE off-season move to make!

Now, how about some manager of the year props for Ron Gardenhire!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:36 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 251

John, I agree that neutral site is not ideal, but what is your solution when the season series was tied 9-9? Then you'll have to come up with some other asinine method to figure it out.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:40 PM by Brian Highlight this comment 252

A few weeks back, Dick Stockten pronounced Nick Punto as PUNTo (as in a football punt) 3 times. Harold Reynolds called the Metrodome "homerdom". That is a well know myth. Harold also never shuts the hell up.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:41 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 253

Brian, How about this asinine proposal. If tied, go by divisional record.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:44 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 254

Brian, if they played the game at a neutral site, who the hell would show up to watch? I'm sorry, but you just beat out "no ribbon boards at Target Field will make it just as boring as the Dome" as the dumbest thing ever written on this forum, cograts!!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:54 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 255

JohnF,

Dick Stockton was quite good in his prime. But he's now just too old and is mis-pronouncing names like Pat Summerall started doing. He needed to retire about 5 seasons ago. Harold Reynolds is too full of himself and I really have no opinion either way on Ron Darling. Nobody, but NOBODY is as annoying as Tim McCarver though. Listening to McCarver and Buck during the '91 series made me want to put firecrackers in my ears.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 9:57 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 256

Definite props to Gardenhire as a potential manager of the year. What he did with this box of spare parts was nothing short of amazing.

That said, why Cuddyer instead of Kubel at DH? (Was it a match-up thing?) And when Cuddyer gets on, what with his recently-broken foot and all, why not pinch run for him? Maybe a faster runner beats that throw.

Still, baseball is an amazing game. The whole season comes down to one run. That's pretty cool.

Also, I'm with JohnF. The season series between the teams should decided where the tie-breaker is played. If the season series is even, go to runs scored or something. Seems like there should be many more performance-based levels before it gets to a stupid coin toss.

Tonight's announcers were also really bad. Why is it that the national announcers always seems to treat the Twins like the Washington Generals? "Tonight: It's the White Sox against...uh...some other team that doesn't have any superstars on it."

Which brings me to this: Will the Twins ever have another veteran superstar on their roster? (And I'm not talking about one of those empty-tank, one-last-try guys.)

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:23 PM by Rick 257

I can deal with McCarver. To me he sounds a bit more genuine. Joe Buck, however, makes me want to blow my head off. I can't stand listening to him. When he's broadcasting I do more yelling at him than I do at the game. I do like Al Michaels though. But, I think we should give a round of applause for Bert and Dick...Bremer, that is.

I went to a Twins-KC game in KC a fews years back and found a group of Twins fans that made a "Circle me, Bert" sign. Good times.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 258

hey Kevin does that mean my tailgating is out of the top 3?......lol

the only non local guy i like is joe morgan.. people hate him but you know what hes a fuc#$n hall of famer so he gets my respect...

Kirby puckett was the last major star on this team with hunter a distant 2nd....kirby turned down tons of loot from the red sox to keep playing for the twins,,, hunter took way more than he was worth to run away... so lets remember who should be in our hearts in this town... and no not kevin freakin garnett..

no carl will not get a 40 hr a year guy i don tthink its cuz of money per they waste more money on overpaying sorry ass free agents than getting 2 good sluggers....

atleast im not a cubs fan!

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 10:50 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 259

at least we get to watch our ballpark rise. the next months will bring about the most fun to watch facets of the park take shape. the seats, scoreboard, canopy...next year at this time they'll be laying grass. and we'll have a rising young team to call this field home. it's all good, there's always next year.

i can see a packed target field watching chilly fall playoff baseball in a couple years. the atmosphere in chicago tonight looked electric.

Posted on September 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 260

You think there'll be a second web cam by this time next year?

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 12:00 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 261

Look, we agree the coin flip sucks. I agree that season series could determine the home field. If that is tied, then divisional record. Did you consider the tiebreak could be between teams that are not in the same division? You know people would be complaining about that, so your idea is not perfect. And if that were tied, you start reaching further and further... I just offered up another solution which I think is more fair than the current one. My only point is that it is hard to argue the 'fairness' of a neutral site vs. some stupid methodology that all the sudden makes certain games or amount of runs more important when all games were previously only 'equally important'. BTW, when Miller Park hosted Cubs/Astros, I think they had good attendance. I'm not sure how you can argue that attendance should be a determining factor anyway... I'm not married to the idea, it was just a suggestion. Relax!

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 06:44 AM by Brian Highlight this comment 262

Brian, they had a good attendance at Miller Park because 40,000 Cubs fans drove for 2 hours north to Miller Park. Is that really a neutral site when Houston is over 1000 miles away from Milwaukee?

Don't worry Brian, I'm relaxed but you're doing a great job of getting me prepared for Sarah Palin's debate tomorrow.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 07:05 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 263

Kev (or should I call you Barack), you've clearly got a firm grip on the obvious, AND completely missed the point. You would be a great politician! Haha, I withdrawl my argument; it was fun. Let's complain about the 2nd webcam now!

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 07:32 AM by Brian Highlight this comment 264

Great Season Twins!! It was Fun!

Now, as much as I hate the Sox, and I do! I have to give props to Jim Thome. I was at the game at the dome a few years back when he hit that white curtain up in Right field upperdeck twice in one game, it was by far the most amazing one man performance I've ever seen on a baseball field! He is a class act, and he survived the steroid era with his rep in tact, as one of the only legit Home Run studs of all time. He's just a big strong Hayseed. The Twins really missed the boat when they didn't sign Thome when he was a free agent and let the Sox scoop him up.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 09:59 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 265

Sara is hot!!!!

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 10:22 AM by Palin lover Highlight this comment 266

I really don't like the White Sox, except for Thome and Griffey. We all know they will be swept in the first round by those amazing Rays.

And Jon, Thome was traded by the Phillies to the White Sox. He's only been a free agent once and that was in 2002. Here is his transaction history (courtesy of thebaseballcube.com - a website that I am addicted to)

[Jun 18,1989] - signed
[Oct 28,2002] - Granted Free Agency.
[Dec 6,2002] - Signed as Free Agent by Phillies.
[Nov 25,2005] - Traded by Phillies to White Sox for Aaron Rowand, Dan Haigwood and a player to be named later.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 10:57 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 267

Sarah is Bush in a skirt. with less experience.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM by Palin hater Highlight this comment 268

Final Jeopardy Question:

The Minnesota Twins won this many World Series titles after they had signed Jim Thome as a Free agent in 2002?

Do, dee, do, do. Do dee do....do, do do do do do Doooooo........

AT: Jon, let's see what you wagered?

Jon: All of it Alex!

AT: Your Response, 5 World Series Titles?..............That's correct!!!! You will go on to meet Ken Jennings for the battle of the jeopardy all stars.......

Sorry guys, I just woke up to a pile of drool on my desk.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 269

2 hits?

who is the heart of this team? the twins need a paul o'neil; a kirk gibson; a joe carter; not a bunch of mike piazzas like we have now. they will never move past the first round until someone on their team can buck up & say "jump on my back, boys" aka puckett in '91.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 11:37 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 270

Small ball works during the course of a long season, but come playoff time you need a consistent 35-40 homerun hitter. 2 would really be nice but the Twins don't even have one.

Okay there's one year to the new ballpark, time for the Twins to make a statement this offseason. If they don't sign some REAL talent this offseason I'll really be pissed off. Sure the new revenue streams haven't kicked in yet because they're one year away, however, with billionaire Pohlad, he can start spending NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 271

Sorry Kev,

It wont happen... they will sign 35 year old casy blake and thats it...

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 12:09 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 272

Here is some new news on the "Metrodome Next"

Click my name

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 12:20 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 273

Hey, maybe Chili Davis wants to come back. Or Canseco or Palmero... That's probably the price range Pohlad is looking at. Seriously, isn't he the richest/worth the most in the entire state? He's gotta be in the top three or so.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 12:24 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 274

He is the richest pro sports owner all together

more than Jerry Jones, AL Davis all of them I belive

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 275

Pohlad is currently the richest owner in professional baseball. Worth more than two billion more than Steinbrenner. And the Twins raked nice profits with big attendance and a reduced payroll from last year.

Also, the revenue streams for the new park have begun. Look at all the people getting tix for "ballpark priority" alone... The facts are that most teams would spend huge amounts of money just to have the postseason opportunities the Twins have had over the past 8 seasons - but a greedy "family" of owners who put winning 2nd can't spend on one good bat to get over the "hump". Really frustrating watching all that wasted talent.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 12:49 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 276

Looks like the Queens will be losing games over at TCF from 2010-2011 before Metrodome Next opens up...
Looks like someone is jumping the gun before any financing happens??

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 12:52 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 277

OG Jeff,
Great point...HOWEVER, look at Detroit this year. OUCH!! M. Cabrera was on my fantasy baseball squad this year and even though he put up decent numbers, he appeared to be a huge cancer for that squad, along with Shef, etc. (Jogging and limping around the field everytime I saw them play) Thome would have been a great fit for the Twins, but he was never available. The Twins simply refuse to give up young pitchers for someone like him, and they shouldn't. Look at all the winning seasons as proof. We just need Mauer and Morneau to continue to grow and get stronger, Kubel and Cuddyer can be better too. Young is gone! Traded for anyone! Hopefully Casilla, Go Go, and Span also get smarter and stronger too. We'll be OK. ---BUT, I do want the Twins to overpay just one time on a big time hitter. But that isn't the cure-all either. I won't be disappointed if we stand pat this off season. Agree Maz??

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 1:03 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 278

Not only that Locker, if the Vikings continue on this path of being pathetic, they won't be able to sell out the 50,000 seat TCF Stadium during those 2 years.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 279

Its not metrodome next its xcel energy field.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 1:59 PM by please get this done Highlight this comment 280

So I heard on the radio that the stadia would start being installed in early October, starting in right field.

So, how does that work? I know they are pre-fab, but I don't see any structure in the existing building that they would attach to, and I'm sure they don't just plop them on the dirt. I also don't see any cement piling that they would get attached to. Do they have a steel structure underneath?

Anyone?

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM by Dale Highlight this comment 281

I would not be suprised if they stand pat, well i expect it. But i think they need to make a big bat signing this winter for the sake of seeig that every year we are in it but just cant get it done...

The revenues have already begun, they got 500.00 bucks off me just for my deposit on my seats for next year..soon as that interactive seat thingy came out im sure they made about 1000 season ticket sales that week.

but just once, it would be wonderful to see a real slugger in the order.

Im sure Prince Fielder would be a nice DH for us.. make it happen!

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 3:54 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 282

A couple items:

Thome was available in 2002 and was quoted as wanting to come here in 05. I agree that blowing prospects for veterans isn't always a smart move - and I'm not advocating that. What I am saying is that the Twins are FILTHY F--KING RICH and no one seems to care that they don't sign a proven bat. It's very clear that hustle, small-ball and consistent pitching will get a team like ours through the season. But if you want to win in October, having a big bat can change the game in a pitch (proved last night) and protect others in the lineup.

Please, Please, PLEASE don't buy into the retoric that they can't pay a bat. Let's quit throwing millions at Ponson's, Hernandez, Cirillo's, etc.

FYI - Delmon is 22 years old. Let him learn, he had solid numbers - and he's cheap.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 283

Delmon is better now than Cuddy is .... and he makes the minimum

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 284

if you compare young's stats from this year to last year (see link) you'll see that they are very similar. some things to note though are the strikeouts went down and the walks went up. he had three less homeruns and ten less doubles, but more triples and stolen bases. rbi's don't matter because that's all contingent on the lineup around you.

the main one that i see is on base plus slugging (OPS), which many see as the best way to gauge a hitter, and how it went up from .723 to .741.

torii hunter didn't get over .700 (.726 to be exact) until his age 25 season. this year hunter was .810

i am happy with young. if we can continue to develop him rather than giving up on him, we will have an offensive bat for years to come.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 4:42 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 285

Re: Annoying Customer's comments in the previous post.
Let's let Delmon Young develop into something special. If he can improve his power and consistency, the Twins will have a good, solid, right-handed bat. They're counting on Cuddyer to be a good right-naded bat, and having Young improve as well would really help the Twins see a few more righties on the mound to help out M&M.
I wonder if, given the performances of M&M(Tuesday being the exception), and the hoped-for improvements on Cuddyer and Young, Jason Kubel might be offered up as trade bait. The guy can do some damage with a bat, and maybe the Twins could get some interest from some hitting-rich clubs who might be tempted to exchange an older vet for a young Kubel.

Just a thought.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 6:24 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 286

Just a thought

This was a rebuilding year. This Twins team overachieved with young players. This Twins team came within one run of winning the division in a year they were picked to finish fourth. As Twins fans, we've got to appreciate a team that lost Johan Santana and Torrii Hunter actually got BETTER, despite all odds.

This is one Twins fan who is satisfied with a remarkable season that ended on a sad, but dramatic, note.

Pitchers and catchers report for the last year of the dome on 2/15

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 6:47 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 287

I realize the Twins may have "overachieved" this year, but its just sad and stunning the way it all suddenly comes to an end. We have been watching this since the March 31 opener against the Angels and suddenly its gone.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 7:45 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 288

I'll tell you what fellas. I have sources inside the Twins that say they tried real hard to trade Delmon at the deadline and the Twins could not get any takers for him. He is a loner on the clubhouse and the coaches can't stand him or his approach to baseball. He won't listen to them. His dad is the only one he'll listen to. I'll be shocked if Delmon is still with the club this spring. Cuddyer, Span, and Go Go in the outfield next year. Mark my words.

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 8:38 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 289

Locker - well if that is true then quite a deal our little "wunderkind" billy smith made to acquire delmond by trading away both garza & bartlett to get him huh?! don't get me wrong delmond has some room to improve his skills, but sheesh!!

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 11:35 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 290

as for Delmon Young...."See ball, hit ball"

Posted on October 1, 2008 at 11:37 PM by Wise Guy Highlight this comment 291

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Sometime in the late 1980s: B ramp is under construction. Not yet built: Target Center, I-394 and the A ramp.



This is the trapezoid (for lack of a better name) in right center. Be sure to notice section of seats just below the pavilion and above the fence (which I hadn't noticed before). For those who are interested, what looks like an old-style scoreboard is in fact a high-def video board which will look, at times, like an old-fashioned scoreboard.



This view is from the roof of a warehouse which stood where the A ramp is today. The HERC is now located where the tracks turned north (toward the top).



Here's another view up Sixth Street toward where the plaza will meet First Avenue (it will hug Target Center all the way).









I suppose that one day my son will graduate from Mrs. Fields to Hooters. At least he won't have to travel too far. *Shudder*



(Click to enlarge.)



Just, wow.









Go get 'em, boys!



The creative design of the admin building stands in stark contrast to the horribly pedestrian appearance of the LRT platform. This design looks like it came out of a public transportation manual.



Signage for the concession stand which is available from the plaza (plaques are up on the fencing)



...but you can get a feel for what it will be like.






Seventh Street circulation



Someone please get those poor people a drink of water. (Gate 34, after the game had started)






Yes, it's pretty tempting to just walk right in...



Here's the current overview from the south side of the B ramp (from which the banner at the top of this page was culled).






Poles through the gap



Click to enlarge. (Photo by Jared Wieseler)



A mini-freeway! (Police action in progress...)



I don't think this will remain a knothole, but the view is pretty cool.






These two sections are within a few feet of one another.



This looks from the base of the stairs, behind the big pillars, toward the street.



The gate has grown a row of sponsorship



Touring the Rapid Park site (L-R: Commissioners Wade, Vekich, Sykora, Cramer, and tour guide Chuck Ballentine, source: RP)



Break time






No offense, TC, but you're pointing exactly the wrong direction if you want people to use the ramp opening to your right...



Photo by Tyler Wycoff






A peek through a tiny gate.



From the TV camera platform -- the view you'll see on TV



Despite what those signs say, every one of these places was selling either snacks or Yankee memorabilia out of its front door. Do you suppose anything like this will spring up anywhere near the new Twins ballpark?












The circulation ramp on the north now has its louver framing.



A cold afternoon in 323, but we had our trusty Twins blanket -- made by my mom when Noah was born.















I had to hold the camera as far over my head as I could to get this shot, in which the infield is finally visible. It's a spot made for your average Timberwolves player.


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DSP - Dave St. Peter

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HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

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