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Flag Pole: En Route?

August 20, 2008 10:46 PM


The base of the old Met Stadium flagpole. (The plaque refers to the "Flame of Freedom" and not the origin of the pole.)

Word came today from Ben McEvers, my contact at the Richfield American Legion, that the Twins have now made some formal moves to acquire the old Met Stadium flag pole which stands in front of their building.

As a review, Ben contacted me many years ago now to tell me the story of the flag pole. His buddies saw it still standing amid the rubble of Met Stadium, and asked the demolition guys if the Legion could have it. They were given permission as long as they did all of the work -- which they did. In fact, they found a company willing to volunteer to rehab the pole and get it installed properly.

If you've never seen it, it's huge! You can't miss it as you drive south on Portland Avenue between the crosstown and 66th Street (where a new traffic circle is currently being constructed).

When the Twins started soliciting ideas for the new ballpark, getting the flag pole was the first one I sent, and it was embraced immediately!

The message relayed to me today actually contained the team's plan for the pole: it will be installed where the plaza connects to First Avenue -- assuming that portion of the project eventually finds funding. Personally, I would have preferred it a little closer to the playing field, at least inside the main gate. But just knowing that I helped make it a part of the project is pretty gratifying. Ben and I have agreed to meet at the flagpole on opening day of 2010 to get some pictures.

(I know. There will come a day when no one remembers how the flag pole made its long trek from one classic ballpark to another. By my family's scrap book will contain the story. And that's something.)

More Recent Photos

I haven't exactly been holding out, but I just haven't found the right opportunity to post some pretty cool recent photos. Since I know how hungry everyone is out there for images, I'll try to get a few out per day.


These are the footings for the staircase which will connect the plaza to the skyway.


Up there is where I plan to buy a lot of hot dogs. You can see the vending areas developing rather quickly around the completed portion of the upper concourse.


Some brick work out in the centerfield pavilion.


Working on the connecting LRT tracks (this view looks up Fifth Street toward downtown.)


Some details are visible here, like the back of an escalator.


This is the HERC Premonade with railroad tracks snaking beneath. (I think this should be named the Halsey Hall Premonade. Seriously.)


You have to wonder just what happened here. Will it remain forever embedded in cement?


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From the first ballpark picture will you be able to see the field for free on the pavilion?

Posted on August 20, 2008 at 11:21 PM by bmd Highlight this comment 1

or right field plaza whatever its called.

Posted on August 20, 2008 at 11:22 PM by bmd Highlight this comment 2

Looking at the 2nd pic above... seriously, how cool is it going to be when Morneau is the first one to rip a homerun ball up onto the right field plaza??

Granted, I don't know the exact distance that would be, but if possible, would have to rank right up there with Bonds into McCovey Cove. It would probably bounce half way to the Metrodome...

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 07:14 AM by Brian Highlight this comment 3

I was down at the site checking it out yesterday. Although there may not be smells coming from the HERC, the entire outside promenade that faces the HERC is going to be one UGLY view. If I were the architects, I would have made the walkway inside the structure instead of on the outside. I guess people will only use it getting in and out of the park... the only thing I can figure is that they're planning on tearing that thing down in the very near future -- but maybe not if it's going to feed steam to downtown??

Also, has anyone seen the Northstar platform? I'm very confused about how they will fit the tracks in between the south platform and the 4th st. freeway viaduct support. There does not seem to be any room there to do so.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 09:18 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 4

Nice Pictures. I am hoping to go to the state fair and possibly check in on the Twins booth and see whether they have more updated renderings or anything new for that matter, because it is just getting plainly ridicoulous from the Twins part of things.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 5

On a different note the Target Center is the ugliest Baketball Arena in the association, whoever designed that place should be given an F- for just having the ugliest arena out there. The Target Center should be torn down and a new arena should be in place to complement the new ballpark.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 6

Does anyone have any interior/concourse pictures?

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM by Curious George Highlight this comment 7

I agree, tear down the hideous Target Center. But why bother building another arena. Let the Wolfies play in the Roy Wilkins Auditorium or maybe the De La Salle High School gym.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 8

yes, the wolves should play in the minneapolis North High school gym until they earn there way to a new arena

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 9

New pics of Mauer, Morneau, Span, etc touring the ballpark site

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 11:40 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 10

Sorry bout that, first link didnt work. 08/20 update on "Sights & Sounds".

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 11

Why not put a forest of trees between the HERC and the ballpark to try and cover it up

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 12

The target center really should have a new facade. it needs brickwork on the outside and that would slove the problems. It simply has not ever fit in with the warehouse row that it sits on. The inside of the trget center is ok. they just need to fix the outside and really that shouldn't cost too much to do.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 1:26 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 13

Another reminder to set your DVR to record the new Twins ballpark tour on "Under The Lights", FSN North, 7:00 TONIGHT. Aloha.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 2:43 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 14

Can somebody record and forward to me (or YouTube it) the ballpark tour from tonight's pregame show? (No FSN in our house, alas.)

Many thanks.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 3:11 PM by Rick 15

The Target Center exterior is AWESOME!

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 4:07 PM by The Year 1992 Highlight this comment 16

Agreed, Rick - We need a YOUTUBE of the tour! Maybe they'll document the extreme difficulties and complex challenges of setting up a ballpark webcam...

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 4:09 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 17

HEY! Im the new uniform of the minnesota timberwolves and I love the exterior of my home.. it is AWESOME!!

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 4:14 PM by The Year 1992 Highlight this comment 18

Hey new uniform not so fast its the year 1996 and I am ushering in a new era of timberwolves uniforms but I think we can agree on one thing.. the exterior of our home is AWESOME!!

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 4:30 PM by The Year 1996 Highlight this comment 19

1992 & 1996,
You guys crack me up... not!
But you are both AWESOME!

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 20

The new Wolves unis are HIDIOUS!!!

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 6:44 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 21

On the FSN ballpark show the tour guide says that the back wall of the home dugout will be limestone. If they don't do the visitors also I think that is dumb.
I like the new Wolves unis much better then expected (all tho i could do with out the # font)

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:09 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 22

If I heard correctly, the restaurant will be called "The Town Ball Club".

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:19 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 23

The big, cantilevered restaurant will be caled The Metropolitan Club. For season ticket holders only.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:28 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 24

I completely forgot this was on, and just caught the last five minutes or so. I just looked up the FSN schedule, and it they will be replaying the heck out of this program:

Twins New Ballpark Tour
FSNO1 Thu 8/21 7:00 PM
Twins New Ballpark Tour
56 FSNO1 Sat 8/23 6:00 PM
Twins New Ballpark Tour
56 FSNO1 Wed 8/27 11:30 PM
56 FSNO1 Thu 8/28 1:30 PM
56 FSNO1 Thu 8/28 7:30 PM
Twins New Ballpark Tour
56 FSNO1 Fri 8/29 6:30 PM
56 FSNO1 Sat 8/30 1:00 PM
56 FSNO1 Tue 9/2 2:00 PM


Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:29 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 25

I think one of the most interesting things I got out of that is that the exposed concrete in the concourses will all have some kind of treatment - even the ceilings. The ceilings in the main concourse look to be about 20 feet high.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:33 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 26

I found it interesting that if the site would have been just 30 feet shorter on any side, it would have been impossible to build a ballpark on that site.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:33 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 27

Yeah, pretty tight squeeze

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:36 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 28

I remember hearing that the restaurant is going to have the mpls. lakers court for the floor and I thought someone said that it would be called 573 bar in honor of harmons hr total.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 7:50 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 29

having the old minneapolis lakers court as the floor of the metropolitan club restaurant in the new ballpark would be pretty cool. would love to take a look at that.

speaking of the lakers franchise. man, i wish they never would have never moved out to la. they don't even have any lakes out there!


Posted on August 21, 2008 at 8:33 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 30

Yeah it would be sweet to still have the Lakers and the North Stars but thats the life of a Minnesota sports fan its a tough life we live.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 8:40 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 31

So only season ticket holders can use the 'cantilevered restaurant?' F that.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 8:44 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 32

Hey everyone,

Was at the fair tonight. The Twins booth has a video showing the 3D layout of the lower seating bowl (view down the 3B line) panning from behind the plate to RF. Looks great. I asked when it would be put online and they said the first of the year. Also asked about webcam #2 on the Ford Centre. The guys there had no clue what I was talking about and didn't know if one was being put up or not.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 8:57 PM by ML Highlight this comment 33

Thats the way they made it sound on the Ballpark Tour show. I may have misunderstood, but I'm pretty sure thats what they said.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:05 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 34

I'm getting spoiled. Why isnt this game in HD? Picture looks like dookie.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:08 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 35

Two comments;

First, to Lafferty: If they've got one restaurant for everyone (the one in LF "administration building," then I don't see the harm in a "season ticket" restaurant. Call it a perk for those that don't buy club level tickets or suites. It's not like there won't be a restaurant for everyone.

Second, WTF on the new animation being on the web-site the "first of the year?" That's pathetic. And having no idea about the second web-cam? I don't know what to say... This organization doesn't seem to understand that all its fans don't live within a close drive of MSP, and can't drive to the site at the drop of a hat to see this stuff.


Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:13 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 36

Ya, that is bullsh*t, if I wanna pay to eat there, they aren't gonna let me??? And it is going to have the Mpls. Lakers floor from either the Minneapolis Armory or Auditorium (I can't remember), as it has been sitting in boxes since it was dismantled.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:14 PM by Uncle Tom, OG Highlight this comment 37

Hey luckylager,

I love your post on the strib about 'you ain't nothin but a waitress in the sky'. I can't stand NW stewardesses. At first I thought, man how does he have the time to read and post on every site in town, and then I realized I was doing the same. Doht! Time to get a hobby.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 38

Is it weird that the people manning the Twins booth at the fair A)don't seem to know as much as we do about the project, and B) don't seem to care as much as we do about the stadium?

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:20 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 39

My experience of the guys at the State Fair booth is that they don't have a clue. I wouldn't put too much stock in anything they say.

It's kind of like the guys I encountered near the ballpark model at TwinsFest. Not only did they not have any inside info, they sometimes didn't even get the basics right.

A couple of times I wanted to step in and correct things I heard that I knew were incorrect, but I didn't.

Maybe if the Twins paid me...

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM by Rick 40

Hahahaha... This is usually what I do while I watch the game. I just couldnt resist the "Waitress in the Sky" post. Didnt make me too many friends on the Strib site. I'll never be allowed to fly NWA again.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:22 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 41

Hey guys, anyone been to Tropicana Field? I'm in Orlando for a week and last night I drove the two hours to St. Petes to watch the Rays and Angels. When I first saw it my thought was how tiny it looked (that is in comparison to the Dome). Wow, when I got inside I felt like I was in the rotunda at the MOA, totally looked like a mall. I guess that's better than a sea of concrete. The concourses were huge though compared to the 20ft hallway in the Dome. Some places they were actually split with a center "island" and a number of attractions mixed in too.

The field/stands interior gets even smaller when you walk in. Being enticed by the construction of our new stadium I took note of a number of different things wondering how they'd be incorporated. The ticket I bought off the street was pretty good, Sect 216, but there's no way I would have paid $38, face value (I paid $20). Don't be fooled how it looks in the link. The 200-level section hangs well over the Black and Orange 100 level suites. And likewise for the third deck over the 200-sect. So, all that really to say, if you were in any of the suites the only real view you have is only that of the field (no looking "up"). From what I can tell with the Twins' new place is that it won't be that recessed. I just don't want to pay $50 for one of those seats. And speaking of seats, they have the same plastic, blue ones as in the dome with the same number placards and everything. It was creepy.

And my final thought on the Twins' new home...let's go simple, "old" school: New Metropolitan Stadium. Simply put, The New Met.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 9:24 PM by chuck in ak (sortof) Highlight this comment 42

WOW this is a frustrating Twins game.

Posted on August 21, 2008 at 11:59 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 43

But it ends well, I cant believe I'm saying this but our BULLPEN won the game for us!

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 12:24 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 44

Nice 2-1 win tonight! Nice to see Punto and Span come through in the 12th, but more impressive was Guerrier, Crain, and Nathan.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 45

Let's not forget that Baker only gave up 4 hits!

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 12:31 AM by Rick 46

Your right Rick it's to bad we couldn't score with runners on 3rd and 2nd with no outs in the 8th to get Baker the win cuz he deserved it.

Posted on August 22, 2008 at 12:38 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 47

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This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of the main entrance. This is what you'll see as you enter by coming down Sixth Street.

For those who have never seen it up close, that's what it looks like when steam comes out of the HERC plant.

B ramp glimpse

I finally found the corner of TF dedicated to the Senators. What a wonderful sight.

This design has a rather generic quality to it, but they appear to have considered the B garage. Though it isn't part of the model, they've clearly left room for it.

A view straight on of the Pro Shop area and ticket windows (just barely visible). The piers you see beneath the plaza are already almost completed (see final photo).

Limestone facing and flowers on the right field overhang

Looking from First Avenue toward the ballpark (over the top of a construction barricade)

Serious home dugout work in progress.

Here's the entrance from the seating bowl. It's down the outer moat, just beyond the last of the Dugout Box sections.

The official ballpark development area

Looking up Fifth, with LRT tracks and B ramp at left

Section 117, Row WC (applies to all the back rows under the Legends Club seating)

Just so you have a reference, this is an LD ("low def") scoreboard (inset is what the controller probably looks like).

Walkway connection

A whole bunch of guys working on something.

Gate 3 "Killebrew"

Center field seating

Of the players up there, only Bert does not have a gate with his number (28) on it at Target Field. You know, there is that door underneath the skywalk on Seventh Street between gates 14 and 29...

Knothole non-view #1

Emergency access as viewed from outside the ballpark

Looking down what was Third Avenue, and will be a freeway entrance ramp beneath the outfield stands.

Dan Mehls, Mortenson Construction

A truck is leaving the HERC plant. Here you can see the proximity to the promenade. For the record, the truck drove right by me and I smelled nothing...

This looks from the base of the stairs, behind the big pillars, toward the street.

Here's a first view of the surprisingly spacious walkway on Fifth between the ballpark and the LRT platform.

The connection from the corner of Seventh Street and Second Avenue. You can now see where the little grassy area and franchise history board will be (the triangular area in the foreground).

This view, through a B ramp window, won't last forever.

At the other end of the bridge, the configuration of the tracks has become clear.

I'm not sure why there's a wreath on Gate 3. (I quickly checked the headlines for any dreaded Killebrew news. Whew.) It looks to be in celebration, maybe of the move.

The plaza as viewed from across the park. The right field overhang section will be built just in from where the plaza supports are.

The LRT station, sitting in a brand new urban canyon, takes shape.

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FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

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(2003, medium coffee table)

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