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Yankees at Twins, Game In Progress

May 25, 2010 10:00 PM

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Nice addition to the site Rick. On game days most of the discussion revolves around the players and the game anyway. We can always return to ballpark discussion on non game days.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 09:33 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 1

Lets hope Burnett brings his B game and Moonshot can give us 6 to 7 quality innings! Lets take this series man! Time for us to do what the Tigers did to them a few days back. It's our house! Lets stick it to em!!!! (those were for you faber)!!!!

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:23 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 2

Nice. Love the live game idea.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:30 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 3

Great Idea, easier then going to twins site to see waiting for everything to load ha

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:44 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 4

I usually post elsewhere if I get the time during games, but I'll probably pop in for this tonight.

Rick, if this brings good luck to the team, I think it should be mandatory that you do this at least for the Yanks series. It'll be a BPM rule.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:07 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 5

I'm curious who's going to be there tonight, where you'll be sitting, and how/where you got your tickets.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 1:09 PM by Rick 6

Rick: I'll be there tonite. Sitting in Section 218, Row 1 which I got directly from the Twins with a little ninja work...

Will you be there? If so, where are you sitting?

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM by Max Highlight this comment 7

I'll be there...
318 Row 9 - my 20 game package.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 1:30 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 8

Max,

Ninja work? Do tell.

I'll be here in my studio with the more economical radio/Gameday experience, and trying to finish a new post I've been working on for about 10 days. I'm attempting to answer the age-old question:

If everybody out there truly hates stadiums and their financing as much as these polls always show, why the hell do we keep building them?

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 1:47 PM by Rick 9

I'm tempted to pull the trigger and buy a ticket off of TicketKing or StubHub. Very tempted.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:02 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 10

There are face value seats available on TC Traders...

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM by Rick 11

Wow, prices are dropping on SH right now. Skyline Section V for $24, that's below the $32 face value.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:09 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 12

"If everybody out there truly hates stadiums and their financing as much as these polls always show, why the hell do we keep building them?"

"We" don't. Politicians do.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:13 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 13

We are one with our politicians, like it or not.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:19 PM by Rick 14

I'll be in Section 324 Row 4 Tuesday and Wednesday

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:30 PM by Freealonzo Highlight this comment 15

Max: Sec 218 Row 1 looks like it would be a pretty sweet view. Looking forward to a railing experience report/photo.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:35 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 16

Yet for all of our hating, we show up in droves to the new places (at least for the first few years). I wish I had a nickel for every hypocrite who was against our new "tax-funded playground for billionaires" but still manages to show up for several playdates.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:45 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 17

I will be there tonight and tomorrow night - sitting in Skyline View Section U (got them from TC Traders) and my season tickets tomorrow night (Section 324).

Let's hope the Twins can knock these Yankees around a bit!

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:50 PM by StatFreak101 (Erik) Highlight this comment 18

I will be making my Twins Target Field debut Friday night. 8th grade baseball season ends tonight, so my coaching duties will be over. Big doubleheader tonight! I bought tickets from a friend who has season tickets in the first row of 128 5 butts from the LF foul pole(I'd say 5 seats, but they're bleachers.) I have 4 more games later in the season.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:54 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 19

I went to Killebrew's dinner Sunday night at Target Field. You can read about it on the Two Men On blog, CLICK MY NAME.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 2:57 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 20

rick - four of us will be there tonight.......section 125.......we are full season ticket holders.

to your other question. i truly believe that the majority of the citizenry around the country doesn't hate new stadiums or even putting some tax dollars towards them. secretly most want to see them get built as they are usually a great source of pride and economic development for cities/regions. they just feel for some reason that they have to be opposed publicly......well because that is how the egghead wannabe "smart" folks (generally those who want to spend more of our tax dollars on deadbeat lazy people who refuse to work for a living OR those who think the government shouldn't exist at all and want it to be the wild west) at the capitols tell them they are supposed to feel about it.

as is usually the case it is often the loud fringe who make the most noise about “supposed” opposition.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 3:18 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 21

It will be interesting to see what the NYC sportswriters think of TF as they inevitably compare it to their two new stadia in the next few days.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 3:19 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 22

Section 218. Part of a season ticket group.

I am starting to think that stubhub, combined with instant printing ability, has been a great thing for fans. If you wait long enough, you can get some nice deals regardless of the game.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 3:36 PM by ew Highlight this comment 23

Will be there Thursay swapped seats with my bro. Be in section 304 right field. Parking will be crazy down there with the event at Target center going on also. Bars I'm sure will be jammed to the seams!!!!They selling any standing room? Anybody try? I think you can only get those at the ticket office and not online correct? LOL!

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 3:40 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 24

When I first started looking on SH today, the lowest ticket was $25. Now there are 38 below that with just over an hour left to buy. Everybody panic!

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 3:48 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 25

section 224, row 2. Full season seats. I am going with my son tonight. I have both Wednesday and Thursday listed for sale, but because I set the price too high, I will probably be forced into going to the entire series.

I think my wife is starting to get a little suspicious of my pricing mistakes.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 3:58 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 26

as rick noted in an earlier post there are face value seats on TCTraders. sounds like a pretty good deal to me if one is looking for tickets to these games.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 27

theres loads of tickets for face value on the twins website for tonight, this game hasnt been sold out since last week

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 4:51 PM by tom Highlight this comment 28

It will be interesting to hear what the New Yorkers have to say. 86 degrees and no roof to block that harsh sun? How could we build a stadium withou....oh they did manage to spend 1.6 billion on a football stadium that also doesn't have a roof. I know, I know football v. baseball etc, etc. But what exactly are they getting for all that money, if not a roof? I didn't look, I don't really care, it doesn't look all that great, I haven't heard the raving reviews from it so far (granted no football has played there yet, its only held other event types so far) and it was a cheap dig at those questioning the twins and their lack of roof. And they are getting a Super Bowl in NY? Wow. Start the uprising...oh wait, that wasn't here, that was on baseballfever.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 5:02 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 29

Section 201 and wandering around a bit

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 5:14 PM by robin Highlight this comment 30

Section 111

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 5:33 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 31

What the hell's going on at ESPN?! They've scheduled their usual Sunday Night Baseball game, but with no teams from either the AL or NL Eastern divisions! No Yankees, no Red Sox, no Mets, no Phillies! What a huge screw-up. Rangers at Twins? Heads will surely roll.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 5:40 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 32

Where in 111 are you Hammer?
That's a nice section.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 5:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 33

The weather radar shows big yellow and orange blobs headed our way from the southwest. Unless it dissipates, there will be a delay in this game...

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 7:34 PM by Rick 34

Nice to see Cuddyer leave another two runners on base in his first at-bat of the night.

Dr. X - regarding the Sunday night baseball game, that's because it's Memorial Day weekend when the ratings are not as high so they put the Sunday Night game on ESPN2 and they are also competing against NBA playoffs (on ESPN) and NASCAR's Coca-Cola 600.

Last year, it was Twins vs Brewers on ESPN Sunday Night baseball.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 35

Last year, it was Twins vs Brewers on ESPN Sunday Night baseball during Memorial Day weekend.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 7:48 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 36

Oh no! Squirrel on the field!

Gordo: "Those are hard to catch, right?"

Dazzle: "Depends on how you try to get 'em."

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 8:05 PM by Rick 37

Kestrels, sparrows and squirrels. Only a matter of time before that famous metro bear makes his way down to the park and joins some deer behind the evergreens in the batters eye!

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 8:21 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 38

Maybe they should use the Taser

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 8:21 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 39

I think you can get Tasered Squirrel on a Stick at the State Fair stand.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 8:27 PM by Rick 40

Hearing the crackle of lightning on the AM radio really takes me back. What a great sound.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 8:29 PM by Rick 41

First tarp!

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 8:34 PM by Rick 42

How does Burnett feel the need to express a beef with Span bunting and stealing 2nd with 2 out in the 5th in a scoreless game? If O-Dawg comes through with a hit, it's 1-0 Twinks. Learn how the game is played, Skankee, your pride be damned.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 8:47 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 43

From Joe C -

Twins/Yankees suspended. Will resume Wednesday at 4:05 p.m.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:01 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 44

Those with tickets for Wednesday's game can watch the rest of the suspended game in addition to Wednesday's regular scheduled game.

Those with tickets to Tuesday night's game are out of luck I guess.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 45

Heck yes! Extra innings for me tomorrow. I'll be there.

I wanted the game to finish today though. I felt really good about it before the game started and during it as well.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:06 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 46

yep since they played 5 innings, it is an official game, so those with tickets to tonights game will not be able to watch the rest of the game tomorrow.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:07 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 47

Pretty insulting that they canceled the game with no refunds/access to next game when it stopped raining 5 minutes after the announcement.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM by Tom (aka Sid) Highlight this comment 48

Just got back from sitting through the entire rain delay. Regardless of the official game/rain policy, when they put the announcement up about the game resuming tomorrow at 4 for Wed ticket holders, they might have as well put a big middle finger up on the big screen. Oh well, still better than having to go to games in an airplane hanger.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:52 PM by ew Highlight this comment 49

Was at the game tonight, couldn barely get internet service on my phone to be apart of the update. was in sec 105 row 23. Just under the party suites, the row in front of us got soaked haha, but it's ok cuz there was a loud mouth yankees fan who wouldnt shut up all game, surprised?! Yeah thought the lightning was a bad sign up until the squirrel came out and attacked Harris, haha, now that's a bad omen.. So we who attended today's game get's screwed hard, those attending get to watch the rest of our game for free, then get to watch their game, NOW THAT'S COW COOKIES!!!!

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:56 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 50

* those attending tomorrow get to watch tonight's game finish for free at 4pm then get to watch their game after*- is what I meant..

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 10:58 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 51

I was there in my STH seats tonight and am not too happy about tomorrow. So I sit through an entire rain delay to have them suspend it and then it stops raining? Not allowing those that spent good money on tonights game to see the end of it is just downright wrong. I work downtown and would have been able to go at noon for the last for or leave and go at 4.

Just flat out lame. Although the Twins don't currently care about what is fair since they are just sitting around counting money anyway.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 52

I guess it's MLB's policy everywhere to not let those who were at today's game go to the finish of it tomorrow. I don't agree with it being canceled because I was checking the radar and knew it would be done really soon.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:12 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 53

just weird how just a short time after they decide to suspend the game it stopped raining. i live just south of dt mpls and it was minutes later the rain stopped. i thought they monitored the radar. the umpires decision. maybe those guys didn't want to make it a late night.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:30 PM by tim Highlight this comment 54

It's definitely unfortunate for those fans who attended tonight's game, in particular, those who sat out the rain delay. Everyone on TV/radio sounded very optimistic that play would resume tonight, not sure why the umpire crew/groundscrew thought otherwise. The field can definitely handle the rain so not sure why the decision was made to suspend.

For conspiracy theorists, was this an advantage for the Yankees by resuming tomorrow rather than playing tonight once the rain stopped? Perhaps its only ironic that Phil Cuzzi is on this umpire crew, the same Phil Cuzzi who screwed the Twins in the ALDS.

Anyway, it was a nice effort by Scott Baker with 5 shutout innings on just 50 pitches.

For those there during the rain delay...what did they play on the videoboard, anything? Any organ music or other music played over the speakers? Were the concessions open? If so, I would assume alcohol was sold during the delay since it was not the 7th inning yet. Also, rumors have it you can leave the stadium during the delay and re-enter later, is this true?

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:34 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 55

Well, I wasn't there, so it's an academic question for me, but I can understand the reasoning on who gets to see the conclusion of the game.

First, if they have two crowds, they have to clear (and clean) the place before the second game can start. That takes a couple of hours at minimum, which could push the second game back quite a ways. You could avoid that by scheduling the resumed game at, say, Noon. But I bet they didn't have enough time to make all the staffing arrangements necessary for that.

Second, there's a big event going on at Target Center all day tomorrow, and there was some concern expressed by Kevin Smith in an interview during the delay that the combination of those 19,000 people, with the 40,000 Twins fans, and the normal afternoon rush of about 100,000 people, could have created some serious problems downtown.

Adding yet another 40,000-ish crowd (or even a portion of that) to that mix would have been insane. And encouraging fans to get there early for the rescheduled game actually will stagger some of the Twins crowd, potentially making things flow much better than they might have as originally scheduled.

As for the rain, as soon as the delay started it looked like the worst was about to pass through and a relatively dry patch was coming. I fully thought they would resume the game after about an hour's delay.

I'm sure those discussions behind the scenes are pretty intense.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:43 PM by Rick 56

So, this is where they resume the game and the middle relievers get effing shellacked due to the rain delay, even though it stopped raining 10 minutes after walking out of the ballpark, right, right?

I am one of the people that bought a ticket tonight and got hosed(without fully understanding MLB's rain delay policies). My bad. I'll never again by a day-of game ticket without knowing, absolutely, that there's not a possibility of a delay.

I ended up buying a SRO ticket for tomorrow at the main gate, mainly just so I wouldn't feel like I got so hosed tonight, but even the (NON EFFING EXISTANT)SRO tickets were $25(no fees).

Honestly, why put out a press release to say SRO tickets aren't available for this series, and THEN RELEASE SRO tickets?

Drunk, gotta go to bed before...before...yeah.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:47 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 57

I'm less annoyed with the policies(of the "complete game") than I am that they obviously had the reschedule set up LONG before telling the fans, at 10pm. There's no other reason they couldn't have restarted the game at 10:10pm, because when we walked out, it had completely stopped raining.

I was fully confident that they wanted to finish the last 4 innings of the game tonight, rather than wait until tomorrow. I'm not that bright.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:54 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 58

I don't see how exactly it's an advantage to the Yankees that the game will be finished tomorrow.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:56 PM by Rick 59

Eh, just me talking out of my ass.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 11:59 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 60

I have never been more furious with the experience of watching a sporting event in my life! I have literally been at a loss for words since I left the ballpark, and I have looked forward so very much in the past months for the opening of Target Field and the new Twins season that I am saddened by how sour I feel right now about the whole organization. First of all I DO NOT believe that this means we should have had a roof. I know that will be the argument of many, but I believe that is not the issue. First of all the fans were forced to sit in pouring rain for the 2nd-5th innings. At first I was happy that they were not calling the game, but disheartened and angered later to realize that it was intentional just to get through the 5th inning. The 5th inning was no worse rain wise than it had been previously, only now there was a complete game. Upon the suspension I went to the Metropolitan Club to take refuge until the game resumed. As it has been mentioned above, and the most insulting part is that they made everyone wait for 1-2 hours, only to call it 5 mins. before the rain stopped entirely. I walked to the parking lot with no rain falling. WHY would you suspend the game, and then cancel it just as the rain stops. It is the utmost slap in the face to all those who stayed, and I am sure they have info. on the weather patterns, and knew it was clearing up. I can tell you that I heard a lot of Twins workers tell people they could use their tickets to come back tomorrow, so I guarantee a lot of people are going to be coming tomorrow only to find their ticket is no good. I called the Twins ticket office at the ballpark and was transferred to a supervisor named Rebecca who could not have been more rude and unsympathetic. It made the whole situation all the more maddening. As I understand from what she told me, it is MLB rules that a game is official after 5 innings (understood), but it is up to the team who gets to watch the rest of the game, if a game has to be resumed later, so it's the Twins who decided people who came to today's game, could not watch the end of it. Why should Wed. ticket holders get the extra 4 innings that everyone today sat through 5 innings of rain for, and then waited 2 hours before getting a middle finger sent our way. All Rebecca would say is, that's our policy and there will be no refunds and that's just how it is. Even as I write this I am so furious. I have looked forward to this series against the Yankees so much, and this was a horrible way to be treated and a horrible night. I am sorry this message has been so long, but I hope this is a safe place where I can express these feelings. Please share your thoughts both good and bad on what you think. Thank You.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 61

What's the deal if they delay the game an inning earlier. Seems like they were pressing to get in five.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:22 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 62

At the start of the delay I heard on the radio that they were showing the the Texas-Kansas City game on the scoreboard. Gordon/Gladden said they expected big lines at the concession stands during the delay. Not sure how long they stayed open.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:22 AM by Mark in NE Highlight this comment 63

They played the Royals vs rangers game during the delay. In between innings they played rain themed music and showed fans sitting in the rain. The best part was when they played "All by myself" by Eric Carmen and then showed individual fans sticking it out in the rain, most were drunk and very willing to put on a show.

The concessions stayed open and most of the vendors simply set up camp in the concourses and sold what they could. I was really surprised at the amount of space that stayed dry. The concourses easily held the entire crowd once the rain delay began. The upper deck with it's canopy really blocked the rain for those fans and the home run porch was totally dry and most of those fans just stayed put.Both the upper and lower concourses stayed about 98% dry. The only spot really exposed to the rain was the upper deck area just in front of the entrance to the circulation ramp.

I was really surprised that the price of Wednesday's tickets didn't skyrocket after the announcement. Two games for the price of one. How can you beat a full day of baseball? The weather looks perfect.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:49 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 64

The rules about suspended games are complicated. John Gordon said he had to go to the official scorer for clarity. Here's what I got from the discussion:

As we all know, the game is official if it gets through 4 1/2 innings with the home team leading, or 5 full innings with the visiting team leading.

If a game is stopped prior to this point, it must either be completed later that same day or it's a rainout and it must be rescheduled, at which time the game would start from scratch, and all the stats from the first attempt would be disregarded.

Once the game is official, if the score is tied, the game can either be finished later that same day or suspended and resumed at a later date from the point it was stopped.

So, the umpires wanted to make sure they got through five innings so that the game could be considered "suspended", all the stats would count, and it would pick up right from where it left off. I suspect that they may consider that to be better than wiping the whole thing from the books and starting from scratch, especially considering that the Yankees have no other trips to Minnesota planned (another knock against the unbalanced schedule, if you ask me).

The question becomes, why not start it up again after a delay and finish it tonight?

Some possibilities:

1. Field condition. Not the grass, but the dirt. There was a long discussion on the radio about "diamond dust" and how it works as a temporary solution, but must be removed as soon as the game is over because it essentially ruins the clay surface. They had already used a bunch before play was suspended.

2. Radar. Though it was looking good, there was more rain coming from the southwest. They may have thought they didn't have a big enough window to get enough playing time in to make it worthwhile.

3. Lightning. The rain had let up, but lightning strikes were still regular and quite large. They may have felt there was a risk to fan safety.

4. Diffusion. Given the crowd concerns for tomorrow (outlined above), the Twins may have advocated for resuming play early tomorrow to diffuse the anticipated traffic concerns downtown. (Dave St. Peter mentions this consideration in this Strib article.)

5. Squirrel. They may have needed extra time to remove offending rodents from the playing area.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:51 AM by Rick 65

I was at the game at the dome that got susended in extra innings. The Twins had a curfew because they had prepare the field for Gopher football. People were upset then too. Can't blame them then or now. Then it was the contract with the dome. This time it is MLB rules at the descretion of the umpires.

Looking forward to tomorrow! Let's play one and a half!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:52 AM by Buzz Highlight this comment 66

I have been reading different articles about the rainout and I am hearing that it would be a "logistical nightmare" for the people who went to today's game to attend tomorrow's make up game. Dave St. Peter (You Prick!) has said "This is a learning curve for everyone". The Twins know that the Yankees are without question of the top draws for the entire season, and because of which, people spent big $, circled this game on their calendar, and made time to come to this highly anticipated game. Then the fans (myself included) have to sit through 4 innings of rain, an hour and a half rain delay, and then be told we were given a full game and to go home with no recourse as the rain came to a halt. The level of arrogance is absolutely astounding. I understand (though it's a terrible rule) that MLB says 5 innings is a complete game, but for the Twins to be so cavalier as to say that 5 innings of scoreless baseball, and 4 innings of rain was a complete game for anyone there tonight, and offer nothing in return is beyond laughable. I don't know what the Twins can do to make this right, but this cavalier attitude they have that we are deserved nothing is infuriating. I know I spent over $150 on food, tickets, and parking and I know that's nothing compared to what some other people spent. They know this is a P.R. nightmare, and we got screwed, yet the idea we are owed anything is not even worth a moment of their time. Even if they explained that logistically there's no way they can have those in attendance tonight attend the rest of the game, if they would even entertain the notion that they will find a way to make it up to the fans who came out tonight, I think it would go a long way. This isn't the Orioles or the Pirates we're talking about, this is a premium priced game with the only visit the Yankees are making to MN. They can hide behind "MLB Rules", but they know what they are doing to tonight's fans is wrong, plain and simple.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 02:06 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 67

Too much complaining. You agree to the rain out policy when you bought your tickets. Get over it.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 02:16 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 68

I was at the game tonight as well. I understood the 5 inning rule but I didn't know what would happen if it was a tie game. Now I know and it thoroughly sucks.

If they were worried about the Target Center deal tomorrow couldn't they schedule the make up portion on Thursday?

I know it's an official game but...it's not really over or close to it even.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 02:20 AM by Boof Highlight this comment 69

Were you at the game Buffalo?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 02:21 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 70

For a few years now, anyone who advocated for a roof on this site was told that the nature of baseball is that sometimes it rains, so get over it. Perhaps now it may sink in that the concerns by pro-roof types wasn't so much the fear of getting wet, but situations like we have right now. This is what you threw in with. This is what you say you've long desired and deserved here. This is baseball in the elements. Open-air stadium advocates fancied themselves as risk-takers and lovers of a certain amount of chance. This should be your fineest hour, yet the thread has devolved into little more than bellyaching.
Time to get over it.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 06:06 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 71

The only thing I can see the Twins having a decision in is not allowing yesterday's fans to come to the rest of the game. Once the game starts it's the umpire's and groundscrew decision whether to play. They may have consulted with the Twins, but otherwise, the Twins had no hand in this. I guess if you want to be mad at someone it should be the umps, otherwise it was MLB policy....so be mad at Selig. If I had tickets I'd probably be mad, but that's just the way it is. I'd rather have what happened last night happen rather than be in the Dome.

Like Rick said, there is an event tomorrow at the Target Center. And if everyone showed up to everything (yesterday's fans and all) there would be about 100,000 people in the area. It would be a pretty crazy scene. I could see the Twins not wanting to deal with that and not wanting to move around their workers to a much earlier (noon rather than four) time...the workers would obviously come in a lot earlier than noon (you get the point).

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 06:31 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 72

After thinking about this mess a bit more and doing a bit of reading this morning, I'm now more upset. There are two main problems: (1) We've been hearing all year about the great radar/weather capabilities that can be found in some room behind the Twins dugout--if this is true, why did the rain delay end just as the rain was ending? If you know you are going to call the game (maybe the clay problem listed above is a factor), then don't make us sit there for almost two hours. At least if they call it at 9, the fans that stayed (a group that constitutes the more devoted fans) could have at last gone out for dinner or done something else before returning home. (2) It appears it was now the Twins call as to how the remainder of the game should be handled. The excuse that the Target Center event wouldn't allow enough parking to support a game starting at noon today is absolute B.S. We are constantly being reminded that this is the most transit-accessible park in the majors. Trains, bikes, buses--you can park anywhere in the Twin Cities metro area and get to the game. We will also find out what B.S. this is the next time this happens and the Twins do the same thing. The real reason for not playing at noon today is that the Twins didn't want to pay for all the extra support staff that would be needed for a second game. The Twins made the best financial move for their bottom line, not the best fan-relations move.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 07:08 AM by ew Highlight this comment 73

I was there for the duration and I have a weather radar app on my iphone. there was NO indication that it would end! The rain was streaming up from Mankato in a big blob with no end in sight. I am 100% on board with the reasoning for calling the game.

The west metro wasn't really even getting rained on, and I am betting Target Field ended up getting into a dry slice of that as time wore on. Unpredictable.

That being said, I think it does suck that they are making this up today without the ability for people who paid to watch the conclusion. Will you feel better about it if the Twins just lose? lol

They're playing a East team that won't be back in the regular season so their hands are a bit tied.

The reality is though that most people were LONG gone when they called this game. People were leaving in droves 30 minutes before it was called. Maybe that's one of the reasons why it was an easy decision - didn't look like the majority of people cared if they saw the conclusion - not if they were gonna have to get wet and stay up past their bedtimes.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 07:23 AM by Jax Highlight this comment 74

I don't get why people are upset with the Twins. It is the umpires descision to suspend play. The Twins do not make the rules for suspended play, it is Major League Baseball rules. You can be mad, but don't be mad at the Twins, they are just following the rules...

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 07:32 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 75

I think most people are mad that they can't see the rest of the game played today, which might be a Twins decision from the looks of it. I don't know if anyone has official concrete info on that though (if it was the Twins decision).

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 07:39 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 76

I think people are mad at the Twins for their decision to resume this game for people who didn't pay for it, and not let the people who DID pay for it be left out.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 07:40 AM by Jax Highlight this comment 77

welcome to outdoor baseball. this is how they do it everywhere. get over it.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 07:52 AM by Chuck Highlight this comment 78

Luck of the draw. You're not hearing any complaints from those of us with tickets for tonight. You win some and lose some.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 08:23 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 79

I don't think we have any reason to complain, Badjuggler lol

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 08:25 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 80

According to radio post-game yesterday, MLB policy dictates that no refunds or rainchecks can be issued for an "official" game. Because this game went 5 complete innings, it is considered official, even though it is tied. Letting people in at noon to watch the final 4 innings would constitute a raincheck.

The complaints here, folks, should be with MLB and the Umpires. Not the Twins. I can't fault the umpires, because I think all parties involved would rather just see the final 4 innings completed rather than the entire game scratched and started over today or tomorrow.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 08:32 AM by ajax Highlight this comment 81

Could the Twins better accommodate Tuesday's fans (completing the game at noon Thursday comes to mind)? That, I think is the issue.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 08:59 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 82

To the person who suggested they make up the game Thursday instead, they couldn't. MLB rules say a game that is suspended with a tie must be completed before the next game is played.

This really is just a perfect storm, pun intended. You really can't fault the Twins for not wanting to deal with two separate crowds today, especially with the motivational speaker event next door. Just no way to do it.

People are going to bitch and moan about it, but again, you should know the rules going in. This is how it is. And no, HH, I wasn't at the game last night, but I nearly bought tickets off StubHub at the last minute. And had I did so, I wouldn't be complaining today.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 09:03 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 83

I think the game should just end in a tie. Or do something similar to hockey's shoot out. They could have Mauer vs Winn in a HR Derby. We might have a fighting chance then...

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 09:06 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 84

Ben, the Twins do not and cannot control what time the suspended game is played.

per MLB rules:

If a regulation game is called with the score tied, it shall become a suspended game and shall be resumed and completed immediately preceding the next scheduled single game between the two clubs on the same grounds.

Of course, none of this would happen if the Twins themselves would not leave as many runners on base...

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 09:12 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 85

Thanks Mike/Buffalo. I suppose it makes sense that the one has to be completed first. They could play at noon today, I suppose, and deal with the other issues (including staffing) but choose not to. Rock and a hard place.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 09:21 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 86

I was at the game last night. I sat in my seat through every inning played (I did have my rainjacket). I was still at the park waiting for play to resume when they announced that play was suspended and would resume on Wednsday at four.

Do I think they should have tried to complete the game last night? Yes, the reain had tapered off, but it is the umpires call to make. I don't agree with it but they made the call.

Do I think that the Twins owe me something because I didn't get to see 9 innings of play? No, the game is official. That is the rule and has always been the rule.

Could the Twins have played the suspended game at noon and allowed those with tickets to attend at no cost? sure, but I would guess that they would have played in front of a crowd of about 10,000. As we have seen with most day games, it is hard to get off from work or school. This is especially true on such short notice. Even if you do have the flexibility to change your life around and make it to the game, are you willing to jump through those hoops for 4 innings of play?

Allowing Wednesday ticket holders the opportunity to see the end of the suspended game and stick around for the regularly scheduled game was the best option for everyone involved.

HH, if you were given the chance to go to the game at noon by just showing your ticket from last night would you do it? Can you get off from work or school with 12 hours of notice. Pay for parking again and then only see 3.5 or 4 innings? I think most people would answer no to that question.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 09:24 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 87

I just grabbed a recent ticket stub and read through (for the first time) the teeny tiny printing on the back. Here's the salient portion:

RAIN CHECK: Rules regulating cancellation or rescheduling of games and use of RAIN CHECKS will be posted on www.twinsbaseball.com. If the game numbered hereon does not progress to or beyond a point of play constituting an MLB regulation game, this ticket must be retained and used as a RAIN CHECK. Premium ticket location RAIN CHECK policies may vary from those above and such ticket holders should retain this ticket and contact the Ticket Sales and Service department. This ticket is good only for this particular game and no part of the purchase price will be refunded by reason of failure of the holder to use it for this game. These policies may be amended at any time without notice.

(Emphasis mine.)

That suggests another reason why the umpires (who know how these things work) wanted to make sure that at least five innings got played. If the game isn't official, then the tickets become rain checks, and the fans will expect the Twins to let them come back to watch the make-up game. Once it's official, the team has a whole lot more options because there is no implicit obligation to the ticket holders.

Dazzle and Gordo made a big deal out of noticing that the umpires seemed determined to make sure they got five innings in before suspending play, and now we know why.

As a side note, if I ran the world, clauses like that last one about changing policies without notice would be illegal. Once you've made a deal, you should be expected to stick to it. If you want to change policies, fine -- do it with the next batch of tickets you print. But whatever policy is in existence when the deal is made (i.e. the ticket is purchased) should remain in place. Same goes for little things like credit card, cell phone, banking and other agreements where the consumers have no recourse if something changes. Like some of you, we just got bit by one such change to a credit card account where we had two choices: accept the change or cut up the card. That's low, if you ask me.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:05 AM by Rick 88

in response to minn55441

That's true but at least we would have the opportunity to watch the conclusion of the game. Maybe only 10,000 fans show up but at least those are 10,000 fans that were reasonably happy instead of having 38,000 disappointed fans.
By being locked out while they play the rest of the game just doesn't feel right.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:07 AM by Boof Highlight this comment 89

Quick update from the North Loop neighborhood (I work just a couple blocks north of the ballpark). I've heard several coworkers come in saying there is "no parking" available today.

Unfortunately, I cannot offer any advice on parking, other than perhaps it could be a good day to ride a bicycle to today's games!

And no, you can't have my parking spot, either. ;-)

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:20 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 90

Just because people "should have known going in that this could happen" isn't going to make anyone that feels slighted feel better about what happened. The fact is that people that stayed around until the end or had the option of attending a noon 4-inning game got hosed. Obviously not intentionally, but just because people say "that's outdoor baseball for ya!" doesn't mean they have to accept how it all went down. Not much anyone can do about it now, though.

The only way I could make myself not super bitter about it was to buy a SRO* ticket after they suspended the game. I didn't pay $30 to see one 5 inning game, I paid an average of $27.50 to see two whole 9 inning games. Little victories for me. Wee.

*Hmmmm...I thought those were sold out? Guess not.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:27 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 91

Have the Twins (reasonably) done all they could to make/keep the fans from last night happy?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:32 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 92

Too bad I exchanged my seats for tonight for tommorow. I could have seen at least 12 innings today. Although saw 12 innings on Saturday vs the brew crew! I would think that they could resume last nights game at noon or 1pm and allow those who wanted to come back and try and find parking a chance to see the conclusion. There was no way last night ticket holders could do the 4pm start today and then try and clear the house for the next game. They must have not wanted to clear the house again even if they would have had about 2-3 hours to do so. Ohhh well! Got tickes for Thursday and Friday! Lets kick some arse!!!!!!!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 93

Yep should be a nightmare trying to park down there about 4pm with the Motavational crap going on and people trying to get there early! Glad I'm nowhere near the joint today!!!!!uffda!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:38 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 94

"Have the Twins (reasonably) done all they could to make/keep the fans from last night happy?"

Within the context of MLB rules and policies, absolutely.

Making up the game at noon, allowing last night's tickets admission was not an option. MLB Policy says no rain checks on official games.

Suspending the game prior to the completion of 5 innings, causing a complete 9-inning replay was out of their hands. The umpires make that call.

Restarting the game later, again (as I understand it) was the decision of the umpires.

The only thing the Twins could have done differently is gotten a hit after Span stole second in the 5th inning, thus giving them a lead when the game went official. However, you can be sure that the umpires would have waited another 2 hours if they needed, to finish the game.

I would say any other solution would fall into the unreasonable category.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:38 AM by ajax Highlight this comment 95

In typical Gardenhire fashion, I am guessing Mauer will not be in the lineup tomorrow?

You know, 14 innings just might be too much tonight after catching only six innings over the last three days (1 inning Sunday, 5 on Tuesday)...

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:39 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 96

Chad are they selling standing room at all games now for $25.00 at the park?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:39 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 97

Twinkfan-

Yup. I wasn't even going up to the ticket window to check on tickets for today's game, but I overheard some Yankees fans asking about what was available, and the agent mentioned the only thing available was SRO. They passed.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 98

So Ajax those that had tickets for last night would not be able to use the rain check tickets for today not matter when the resumed game started?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:42 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 99

Thanks Chad. Good to know. I wonder if they put a cab on the number of standing room seats?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:43 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 100

I thought I read somewhere that they capped the Brewer's series at 200, and the article on the PiPress site said "Hey, the Yankees series SRO tickets are SOLD OUT. So don't even try."

So, there has to be some wiggle room on the 200 cap they set.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 101

Minn55411, I absolutely would have been there today had the game been rescheduled for 1. Jax, I have to believe that the Twins have a more accurate meteorological center than what you have on your Iphone. My biggest issues are that the Twins were the ones who provided the weather info. that made the umpires decide to suspend the game (as reported in various articles, the Yankees wanted to keep playing). Also, although the MLB rules state that those who witnessed a 5 inning game have watched a complete game, there is nothing in the rules that states WHO gets to watch the completion of the game, and I don't care if only 10,000 people could show up for a game at 1 today, it would have been the RIGHT thing to do. Finally, I am infuriated at the cavalier, arrogant attitude of the Twins. I know everyone is hiding behind this 5 inning rule and saying their hands are tied, but the Twins organization, just like everyone who was there last night knows that what has happened to us was wrong. It is a decision on their part to offer no remedy to those who attended last night's game. and create their own P.R. disaster.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 102

I was at the Yard last night. It got real muggy/steamy about an hour before gametime and you could sort of tell that there might be severe weather later in the night. Started to sprinkle in the 2nd inning and got steadily heavier into the 5th. You know that if one team was leading after they delayed the game in the 5th that O'Nora (the crew chief who was at 1B last night) would have waited it out or began play around 10-10:30pm when the rain let up. Unless we were to get official word from the pool reporter in the umpires room nobody really knows what led to the postponement versus starting play back up (i.e. lightning, heavy rain, slippery field, wet baseballs, etc).

I guess I can understand both sides of this ordeal, the fans and the Twins. However, as a fan unless I have tickets for tonight's game I'm not sure I'd want the hassle that would go along with commuting downtown for 4 innings of baseball. Then you have the logistical nightmares that the Twins have to weigh. Getting vendors, ushers, traffic cops, gameday personnel, etc on short notice (these people have regular 9-5 jobs for the most part). You have the parking issue of 40K (theoretically at least from last night's 5 IP game), 40K, and 20K people, plus all of the downtown workforce converging around rush hour. Certainly it could have been done, but St. Peter and his braintrust either thought it would be too expensive or just not feasible in the short notice (including possibly starting the postponed game at Noon or 1pm leaving enough time to finish the game, clean the ballpark up, clear everyone out, and restock for the regularly scheduled night game).

RE: Railing

I sat in the 1st row of 218 last night. I had been up there for the open house and Gophers game, but not a Twins game yet. The top railing was especially disconcerting. I am about 6'0" or 6'1" tall and it was directly in the line of sight for looking down at home plate/the batter. The wires that are below the top railing aren't bothersome at all. When it started to rain I moved up a few rows and found the view was much better. Definitely something to consider at the new ballpark. I found the 200 level railing was much worse than the 1st row railing on the Club level.

Thought it was great how there really wasn't any congestion in the upper deck concourse. Pretty much no lines for beer, Murrays, Kramarczuks, bathrooms, etc. Also, the breeze will be welcome upstairs this summer when it is scorching.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:02 AM by Max Highlight this comment 103

Let's say the Twins could figure out a way to let the people who attended the game last night, come to watch the finished game. And managed to get them out of the ballpark immediately after so they could clean the place in preparation for the next game....I wonder how many people from last night would go? My bet is that, outside of the "die hards", very few would take time out of their schedule, pay for parking and everything else that goes along with heading to the park, all to watch 4 innings of baseball.

I think a compromise would be the Twins giving those fans in attendance a SRO ticket for some upcoming game....maybe not tonight's game, but some game in the future....That being said, MLB rules would probably prevent that from happening, not sure though.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 104

Max those first row seats do indeed suck with the rail. I gotta be at least 3 rows up fer sure! Be looking to move over a couple from my sec 326 next year to say 324 and would like about row 4 or 5. I like sitting in the sun on the day games also. Maybe a 40 game pack next year. Lets hope they don't jack those up big time next year!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:11 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 105

I think maybe they would get 5-10,000 if they had a nooner Tops! Plus good luck trying to find a place to park with Zig Ziglar in town! ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:12 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 106

TwinkFan, as they read and explained the policy on the radio last night, that is correct. No rain checks can be issued on an official game. Now, arguing whether or not this policy is fair and correct is absolutely valid. Arguing that Twins still could have done something different is another story. You can argue your conspiracy theories all you want, but the Twins truly had no say in the matter.

Look back at post #85 by Mike. Note the words "immediately preceding." They could have just said preceding. That would be open to interperetation that they could have had the game at noon, and offered everyone leaving the game a free ticket to the resumption (sure sounds like a fancy way of saying rain check though). But the use of the word "immediately" can't be purely coincidental. If you must finish the game immediately "preceding" the next game, there is no way to manage 2 different crowds, and have the stadium prepared for the next game. This would indicate, to me, that this is the scenario MLB has decided is the most appropriate in this situation.

Had this situation played out in any other stadium last night, the end result would have been the exact same. To put this back on the Twins and say it's just another way for them the screw the fans is ridiculous. Get over it. The Twins front office doesn't sit up there and think of the next way they can screw the fans. To think that they gained anything by doing this just doesn't make any sense. Do they sit in their offices and think of ways to maximize profit? I would hope so. They'd be pretty bad businessmen if they didn't. How this maximizes profit, I don't get. If they wanted to maximize profit, they would have lobbied for the game to be called earlier allowing a true double-header. That way they get an extra half game's worth (plus an additional pre-game's worth) of concession revenue. This was really just about a worst case scenario for the Twins in terms of profit, PR, and (most importantly) actual baseball.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:16 AM by ajax Highlight this comment 107

To be honest if i did have tickets for last night, i wouldn't be mad of this. I just love going to the ballpark and if for that day it means only 5 innings, so be it. As a rule i never leave a game early, but if for whatever reason that is not an option, w/e, still got to see some baseball and be at the ballpark, even for a little time

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:17 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 108

Hebrew,

I'm in agreement with you.

"Also, although the MLB rules state that those who witnessed a 5 inning game have watched a complete game, there is nothing in the rules that states WHO gets to watch the completion of the game"

It was the twins call if they played the game at noon and let last nights ticket holders use rainchecks or start the suspended game at 4 and only allow Wednesday night ticket holders to view the game. This was a business decision.

I don't think they wanted to play the game with a 3/4 empty Target Field and then be forced to kick everyone out after an hour and a half of baseball.

We will have to see how it works out today, but I would guess that they will be 3/4 full at 4:00pm, with a lot of concessions sales with the park full from 3pm until 10pm. I think they are creating more goodwill with the 40,000 wednesday ticketholders than creating hardfeeling with the small group of Tuesday ticketholders that feel left out.

They will never please everyone, but I truely think they are trying to do what is right for the majority of those that are affected. I realize that my opinion is clouded by how it affects me. It was difficult for me to make the 6:00pm game time today let alone any thing earlier than that.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:22 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 109

Now that I think about it, I wonder how long before 10pm the umps made the decision to suspend the game? They made the announcement at 10(unfortunately the rain stopped right after), but to notify all the correct people of the decision so they can notify staff and fans has to take an extra, what, 1/2 hour-45 minutes?

So, just for the sake of me wanting to type, let's say the umps decided to suspend it 30 minutes prior, that would mean they made their actual decision after only 53 minutes into a rain delay. I have no real idea(can you tell?) if this is how it works, but to suspend a game after less than an hour would be weak.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:27 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 110

From the official MLB Policy (click the link to see for yourself)

Rule 4.12(d)
"Rain checks will not be honored for any regulation or suspended game that has progressed to or beyond a point of play described in Rule 4.10"

MLB policy folks, not the Twins. Take your fight up with Bud. Again, arguing about the fairness of the official MLB policy, is 100% valid. Arguing that the Twins could have done something different is completly wrong.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM by ajax Highlight this comment 111

Agreed Ajax!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:35 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 112

"the Twins truly had no say in the matter."

I think this is not exactly true. The Twins had no official say in the matter, but at some point the umpires had to consult with the home team to see what the options were for getting in the rest of the game. They can't make such scheduling decisions without consulting the people who run the venue.

Also, the umpires apparently don't look at the radar themselves, they rely on the home team for weather updates. I'm not saying that the Twins did anything wrong, I'm just saying that the home team has the advantage in such a situation because they can decide just how to shade the reports they send in to the umpires' room.

It could be that the umpires simply listen to the weather reports and at some point make a call that the game cannot be resumed in a reasonable period of time. Once that decision is made, it's probably up to the home team to schedule the continuation, though I'd be surprised if there wasn't consultation throughout the process.

There's probably some gamesmanship which goes into these situations, but I actually think that the Twins made pretty much the best -- and only -- decisions possible under the specific circumstances, with one possible exception.

The questions, to me, are:

1. Should they have stopped play earlier, before the game was official? Apparently, everybody wanted to keep playing, so that wasn't even considered. I think they probably made the correct decision here.

2. Should they have stopped play at all? It sounds like the rain was not falling that hard, though the lightning was rather ominous. The radar showed that it was going to get progressively worse before it got better. All things considered, I think this was the correct decision.

3. Should they have resumed play when the rain let up around 10:00? Again, the blobs on the radar were still coming toward the metro area. Throw in lightning, and I think they made the correct call.

4. Should they have waited another hour and then restarted? Actually, I think this could have worked. An hour later the rain was gone, the blobs had pretty much come through, and there was no more lightning. So I'm not sure they made the correct call there. The meteorologists should have been able to say at 10:00 that things were looking good for 11:00. Of course, they would have been playing from 11:00 to 1:00 AM -- though certainly not for the first time in baseball history.

5. Should they have scheduled the continuation for Noon or 1:00 PM? Absolutely not, given the rain check policy and the schedule of events in downtown today. They very definitely made the correct call there.

It's fair to say that the Twins are learning here, but what they may be learning is how to handle the PR aspect of their decisions, and not the decisions themselves. I think they did the right thing, but may not have presented it as well as possible.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:43 AM by Rick 113

A piece of trivia not yet brought up. The former director of the NWS in Chanhassen is working as a special consultant to the team. I don't know if he attends every game, or they just call him, but I saw this mentioned somewhere a few weeks ago.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 114

4. Should they have waited another hour and then restarted?

Basically said what I was just trying to post. An 83 minute rain delay is not a long time to wait out a storm. I just wanted them to get the game done with last night.

Click my name for a list of the longest rain delays in baseball. Funny how they usually list the "fans at the end" as 200 in many of them. Heh.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 115

On another note...

Last night my brother and I were walking to the game and accidently went down Currie ave over by the parking ramps. Apparently there is a Salvation Army and Chemical Treatment facility over there. Anyway, we turn this corner and there is a group of about 15 people just standing there staring at us. Too late to turn around we just keep walking. Two guys start walking towards us and yelling at us. Luckily there was a cop standing across the street doing who knows what. The two guys backed off and were yelling "You lucky. You lucky your boy here!" as we walked away.

Notice to you guys: Even though it isn't far from the stadium, I would avoid this area. Not sure what would have happened to us if that cop wasn't there.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 116

I am going to contribute since I have a bit of a different perspective.

First, we all knew what we were getting with our outdoor stadium. At some point, it had to happen so I think the bitching should stop. as a lifetime athlete (who played baseball through many rainstorms) and an attendee to a couple of the other very rainy games at TF I am not and would not be (should it happen to me again) dissappointed by this at all. The rainy TF games I attended actually had harder rain through which the game still played. The difference was that the rain at my games was not sustained with such intensity, as it was more off and on.

Second, I used to work for the company the MLB does their weather consulting with. The Twins (along with the East coast teams) being clients. Some teams call in also (Boston has a very good relationship in this manner), while others just use the proprietary software.

In all cases the meteorologist on staff gives appropriate weather information to the head grounds crewman, who confers with umpires and a decides to call the game or not. The calls start well before gametime and vary in frequency through the game depending on the threat and how close it is. The meteorologist stays out of the decision making process, only reports the weather.

The Twins have a unique situation as they also have a retired National Weather Service Lead Forecaster in house to aid in the forecasting. This guy is a pretty big deal and really knows his stuff. I was watching the radar during the game last night myself and all factors considered, support the decision. I thought lighting would have played more of a factor than it did but that particular threat never really materialized.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:55 AM by jared Highlight this comment 117

Rick, I'll concede that my comment about the Twins truly having no say was probably a bit of an overstatement. Clearly they have input and can give the umpires a bit of a one-sided story, if they choose to.

But, in this situation, I can't see why they possibly would have given them information that lead to this decision, unless they were playing their cards honestly. From a baseball standpoint, the Twins gain absolutely nothing from this. When play resumes now, they will be forced to use relievers for 4 (or more!) innings. This most likely will leave the bullpen at least 1 reliever down for game 2, if not 2 relievers down. Had they finished the game last night, they may still be in the same place today, but at least you'd have a shot at one of the bullpen arms who pitched last night being available today.

I know, the Yankees are the same boat, so the playing field is somewhat leveled. But, if I have the choice of playing the Yankees with both teams at 90% vs. both teams at 100%. I'll take both teams at the higher number every time.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 11:59 AM by ajax Highlight this comment 118

Oh and I was going to throw in too that, like rick said, there is a fair amount of consulting within the peer groups at the park about how a game is called, through which a home team could shade a bit to their liking. In most cases though that would be a light shade as the umps have their knowledge of how it should go and the groundskeeper knows what the field can handle so they confer to come to a reasonable decision.

Unless the groundskeeper (he says with steady crescendo) is also paid to "turn the fans on or off" and the onsite meteorologist is told to "see worse" conditions so that Twins brass can swipe more cash from peoples pockets and enhance the conspiracy!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM by jared Highlight this comment 119

Jared,

Well, it worked in my case. They got another $25 from me in my booze induced state. I think I heard the ticket agent cackle when he swiped the cash from my grip. =]

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:13 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 120

I've worked concessions before and had to show up at least 3 hours before game time. Very short notice to do the logistics and communicating to get those people. Of course it would be a smaller crowd too.
$5 per ticket refund or credit on future purchase to buyers of my tickets last night. I sold some for $5 below cost already, so that's all I can do. True that we all know the risk of rainout but this was an unusual situation. I picked a bad day for a group outing in retrospect and had the usual cancellations, which is why I had to sell some with short notice. I only sold a couple on this site, and a few more at work. Maybe we'll win two today.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:38 PM by robin Highlight this comment 121

In terms of PR, St. Peter should probably not have made it sound like they didn't play at noon today because of the Target Center event. If MLB doesn't allow it, say so, and say so loudly, and right away.

I'm still confused about the entire play/don't play decision last night. We now hear that the ground crew thought the infield would be very hard to get back in shape after that much rain--well, the meteorologists must have seen on the radar that a lot of rain was going to come through between 8:30-9:30, so why wait so long to call the game. It was pretty frustrating to walk out of that stadium to such pleasant weather after the game was called. I guess, when it gets down to it, this was a case of ineffective radar reading. Maybe the Twins need to hire another retired weather guy. .

Finally, I was hoping they would have shown a radar loop sometime on the big screen--sure would have helped me make a decision on when to leave the park (no smart phone yet). Instead, we got a taped weather forecast from KARE 11 from Sunday!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM by ew Highlight this comment 122

"We now hear that the ground crew thought the infield would be very hard to get back in shape after that much rain..."

So that means I can still blame the ump crew for trying to rush through to the 5th inning, right?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 12:54 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 123

ew is onto something there!

The very first thing that should go up on the big board at the start of a rain delay is the color weather radar loop. And it should stay up there in a little box for as long as the delay continues.

If the Twins think that keeping it off of there avoids some sort of crowd reaction, they are living in the past (which wouldn't be the first time). Everybody's got it on their phones now anyway. Let's all have the same information. Nine times out of ten it will confirm the decision which has been made.

The day is coming when everyone will also have instant replay on their phones. So it's also time to start showing those close calls up there too.

In the modern world, you cannot keep information contained for very long. When will the baseball codgers realize that?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 1:06 PM by Rick 124

Rick with the coverage what is it at TF, 20,000 people looking up the weather on their phones will kill the signal.

I agree that last night they didn't put the radar up though because they didn't want people to leave right away. No transparency from the Twins, although an usher was going around by my section telling people that the rain was going to stop and they would play. Thus I stayed. Good call.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 1:17 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 125

"I guess, when it gets down to it, this was a case of ineffective radar reading"

The weather was extremly wierd last night....I was in Maple Grove during the game, and there was barely a drop. I was driving home to Shoreview during the delay and hit heavy rain in Brooklyn Center all the way home. It looks like a cell stalled over the downtown area and to the north for a while and it was impossible to know when it would move on.

Murphy's Law was in effect last night. Initially, they thought the rain would move through. It stalls and they decide to suspend the game. After they make the call, the rain moves out but it's too late the change their minds about suspending the game.

You want to blame someone? Blame Mother Nature and her unpredictability.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 1:21 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 126

Ah, for a moment I forgot that TF is a data black hole. Yet another reason for the team to do nothing about that...

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 1:22 PM by Rick 127

Coomdog sounds like you where is tough part there although I see the bike trail goes right by there.Not so sure I would bike around there at night!. I'm usually parking on the 5th street north just north of the park. Have had no problem parking on the street yet. But it can be a little seedy. Not an area I would walk around late at night alone anyways! Lets hope Barney Fife is on patrol back in there!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 128

If they would have continued the game last night at 10:00 or later, what would they have done about the public transportation travelers?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 1:57 PM by baggio16 Highlight this comment 129

If the Twins are up and they win by default of a rain out...this group is happy.

If baby Jesus slips after they resume the game with a career or even season-ending injury...this group is mad.

We have to see this conversation for what it is. It's still fun to read though.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 1:57 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 130

I was just on KFAN for anyone who heard me

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 131

Follow-up to baggio's question - if they had resumed the game later last night, would they have still sold beer/liquor through the 7th?

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 2:31 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 132

Man that would be a very expensive rain delay drinking beer that long! OUCH!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 2:39 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 133

Makes me wish that Surly was selling cans of their beer at the stadium--so much easier to sneak a Furious, that's for sure!

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 2:55 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 134

I am likely going to sound like a total ass for this but such is life...

Sure they can (and for my sake should, with a few other choice weather products) put the radar on the video board. Even a monkey can look at it, see a big blob, see it raining and put two and two together. The bad part is not many know what to do with that or interpret it (at least without their favorite tv weather personality explaining).

I like to think that Minnesotans have as good idea as any on how it works (i thought i heard recently MN was up there in the smarts category) but that could be pretty generous. I have seen on here some bad information and I hear and see it all the time. Hell, I have been with my girlfriend for 6+ years now and have explained many weather situations to her curious ear and even she still doesn't know how it works.

Its obvious that weather is one of those things that (most) people want to know about, bitch about the slightest discrepancy and when the situation arises to learn how it works the information doesn't even make it to the brain, just gets washed away with the rain. Like controversial calls being replayed, it gives the crowd a look but it just doesn't really have any benefit to it.

Realistically, what would it add? If shown before the rain arrives, then it gives fans (he said pointing at Champions Club STH) an idea of how much longer to expect it before they scurry and hide. If shown while raining, fans will see how much its raining when they can see it in front of their faces?

I might not be giving people enough credit and sorry for my rant (no offense to anyone either) but from the flack I get about being part of the wx field, its clear that people don't really understand and the radar wouldn't really help.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 3:09 PM by jared Highlight this comment 135

Good point. If the weather "experts" can't predict the weather from these maps, there's no point in giving us "amateurs" a crack at them.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 136

"Realistically, what would it add".

Here's what it would add: I look at the radar, see a crap load of yellow and green moving south to north with Target Field looking to be covered in green for a long time. I then leave Target Field and salvage some of a rare night out with my wife. The Twins, of course, would rather I sit there for a couple of hours and spend my money on concessions, so I'm pretty sure we'll never see a radar on the big screen.

Posted on May 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM by ew Highlight this comment 137

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Plaza seating installation



Guerrier had tossed a ball to a fan wearing a Twins jersey, who dropped it. If you're going to wear the uniform, he was saying, you gotta make the play. The ball ultimately went to a fan wearing a Randy Moss jersey, and everybody laughed.












Wow! Looking good.



Yes, son, Memorial Stadium used to be right there, just beyond those gates.



This looks like a Twins Pub, but is actually the scoreboard operations.






A slightly different elevation drawing, again viewed from Fifth Street, with some labels. (Click to enlarge.)



Note reflected sunset (7:30 PM). Could be a worry...



The Faithful!



Two concepts here remain in the final design. First is the oddly-shaped pavilion in center. Second is the section just above the right field fence. In the current design this section will hang over the field by a few feet. The original doesn't do that, but you can see that the concept goes way back in the planning.






You can get a hand-carved sandwich, or ice cream while pondering the career of Julio Becquer.



The view from the upper concourse.



The New as viewed from The Old.



Name that ballpark






Rod Carew will greet you, but he's sorely in need of a home plate for reference. (Killebrew is too.)



Looking south (toward Seventh Street).



Impractical, expensive, undeniably cool (Angel Stadium, source LP)






A scene repeated about a million times each game









The view from the corner of Ford Centre. (Feel free to tie up your boats here.)






Many people will approace the park from this direction and it's a pretty great first glimpse. It features all the design elements in modestly condensed form, and still manages to look like a ballpark (instead of something else).



After the rain. (We were in the wrong spot to see the rainbow...)









Viewed from an A ramp elevator lobby.



Back of scoreboard; facade in context.



This is where the plaza meets First Avenue



Double plays will be turned here.









Once again, Noah is holding his ears because of the traffic noise.



(Click to enlarge.)



Center field seating



Window area sketched by the limestone



Of the players up there, only Bert does not have a gate with his number (28) on it at Target Field. You know, there is that door underneath the skywalk on Seventh Street between gates 14 and 29...



He'll always be a fan favorite, but did you know that he's making $18.5 million this year? The Twins' entire outfield today, combined, makes $7.45 million.



Notice the temporary railing extensions



The suite mock-up



Signage for the concession stand which is available from the plaza (plaques are up on the fencing)



At the end of the balcony you can see down the promenade.


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MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

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