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October 20, 2009 2:27 AM

While smarter people are doing some serious number-crunching, all I've got to offer are a few views of Target Field, and a few notes from my brief tour last week. You won't get any smarter here, but maybe you can keep that pre-ballpark adrenalin pumping as we head into the doldrums.

Photos first...

(But before we get into that, you should seriously check out that link up there. For 10 bucks you can get all the information you need to understand where the Twins payroll stands heading into this off-season. I haven't read it yet -- I'm going to wait for the $17.95 hard copy version -- but I've seen some mighty cool excerpts over on the TwinsGeek site, and this can't help but be a winner. Click now!)

My trip down on this day was to check out the delivery of the old Met Stadium flag pole. But there was a lot going on.


Bronze glove delivered (awaiting installation) with Met flag pole horizontal behind the gate


Wind veil framing


Better them than me


Wind veil framing (from the inside)


Glove from above


Look! Speakers!


Speakers spaced evenly among the lights


Frost on the pumpkins, snow on the plaza


Wind veil install from across Seventh

The following day, I headed down to get some footage of the pole being installed and meet up with my original flag pole contact at the Legion in Richfield, Ben McEvers. (I'll tell that whole story another day very soon -- with LOTS of pictures.)

Ben and I arrived separately, each with a guide from the Twins, and each too late to see the pole actually put up (though some of you may have seen footage of the install on various FSN broadcasts). Ben's grumpy rhetorical question summed up the disappointment, "How many pictures can you take of a damn flag pole?" (You'd be surprised, Ben.)

But we did get a walk around the main concourse, including the outfield area, and saw some sights.


Poles through the gap

Much of the signage is in place, and seems at first glance to be sufficient. All of the lettering is in Target red, a thread of branding which now runs throughout the place despite the general lack of bull's-eye logos. It's livable, but red signs over green seats does come perilously close to, um, jolly.

With seats in place throughout the seating bowl, it's obvious now that folks at the back of this level will be seated beneath the Legend's Club seats, which seem to loom surprisingly close overhead.

It's not as bad as the equivalent area at Wrigley, and I'm sure that some fans will be perfectly happy there. But I hope that STHs know just where that overhang starts, because it will block the sky and the big scoreboard for some.

We stepped into Hrbek's. The big Twins logo on the floor was covered to prevent damage during construction, but the ceiling is made up of metallic tiles, each about two feet square and containing one of the various Twins logos from throughout the years. There were so many variations that I had no hope of counting them all. It gave the place quite a saloon feel. Most welcome.


Ben took this picture of me (carrying my mostly useless camera) and Twins rep Chris Iles down by the admin building

At the admin building corner there is a spacious standing-room area which will have drink rails, and is fitted with radiant heaters above, just like the rest of the concourse. I'll admit that I'm just not sure what to think of radiant heating. I mean, I like it, but it sure is a weird ballpark amenity. Do any other MLB parks have that? (I don't know.)

We stepped to where the bullpen area is below the concourse. From the concourse side, it's not possible to see into the bullpens over the ribbon boards. This was a surprise, because I believe this had been touted as an amenity earlier.

It is possible to see into them from the bench seating in left, and also from a little portion of the concourse which juts out at the opposite end (directly beneath the Celebration sign). I know this is minutia, but I have to believe the Twins will take the upper bullpen because it clearly will have a better view and be more comfortable.

Next we threaded our way through construction materials to get a close look at the wood-backed seats in straight-away center. We also got to give them a try.

The look is amazing, and they were plenty comfortable. This little collection of seats will really be great, though I remain concerned about obstructed views in all of the outfield sections. For example, I don't think it's possible to see a play at either the center field or right field walls from any of these sections. While not untypical of ballparks, the cramped nature of things -- which is generally a very good thing -- does seem to do bad things to sightlines.

It was too brief a tour, but they always are. Ben caught me gazing over the green for a moment before turning to head out:


More tomorrow.


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How do you get all these tours? I'm relatively new to this site so I may have missed a lot of background. I really don't have much to say, but thought I'd be the first to post after a new "chapter" for the heck of it. Yes, there will be unpleasant surprises for a few of us, inevitably. Have you ever noticed if the lower level rails, either on field or above the "moat" separating main levels is similarly obstructive? I see no excuse for having a high rail down there. Other than construction rule uniformity maybe.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 05:48 AM by robin Highlight this comment 1

Anyone else see Bobby Abreau's "Gomez" moment in the bottom of the 8th? Seriously, how many of you saw that play and blurted out loud, "he pulled a Gomez!"? I guess even the grizzled veterans get a little excited during the playoffs!

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 08:50 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 2

Regarding the photo "Poles in the gap", what is the reason for this gap? I'm sure there's a purpose but just wondering.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 09:12 AM by Tommy Highlight this comment 3

That reminds me of the time I was in London and two exchange students from Warsaw got their feet stuck in the crevice while getting off the Tube.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 09:36 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 4

Oh boy, we're getting back to discussing the dreaded "gap."

Depends on who you ask, Tommy. Functionally, I think it's there because right behind it on the club concourse is the wall/separation/entryway to the Legend's Club, and putting seats right below that would have been a touch inconvenient for access. The Twins tout the gap as another example of one of the architectural themes of the park, which is to give "suggestions" of native MN stone (strong horizontal lines, with little "gaps" here and there, a la the long horizontal windows on the outside of the park). There have been some on this site who have dismissed this as a lame explanation for the "gap," with the real reason being to separate the 'Bourgeois' from the 'Proletariats' - another seating moat, so to speak.

Personally, I think the asymmetry offered by this little gap is cool, and it's certainly more acceptable visually than some of the other recent "gaps" in new ballparks (new Busch in St. Louis, Great Americal Ballpark in Cincy).

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 5

Great post Rick. But I have to ask, is that a Man purse or in 21st century lingo Murse you are carrying in a couple of the photos???

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 10:28 AM by Max Highlight this comment 6

That's his video camera. He was going to get the pole being raised into place had the Twins gotten us there early enough to witness same.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 7

How about that sharp looking black flagpole on the plaza today? And dare I say i see a few of the flag poles at the top of the left field stands now adorn American Flags?

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 11:24 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 8

Why are the American flags flying at half-staff today?

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 9

In honor of the recent fallen soldier Spec. George Cauley.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 10

I believe we will be the first to have radiant heating in the concourses. Reminds me of the Minnehaha ice rink.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 11

Looks good. And I guess half a black pole is better than no black pole - the spirit is there. The sharp-eyed among you may have noticed a third two piece base structure which will now, presumably, be installed. I've been told by DSP and Matt Hoy that there will be some sort plaque installed as well.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 12:00 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 12

Interesting that Legend's club is very close to the seats above it, but I imagine that's a price paid to keep LC more "intimate" as they like to say.

I think they fairly liberally marked seats obstructed view on the seat selector. I don't know if the 3D animation shows the blocked view, haven't looked in a while.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 13

luke and all you other youngsters need to watch this video...this is in regards to a previous conversation we had about the Vikings playing outdoors.

It's sad how the national writers and broadcasters get it, but so many in MN don't get it at all.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 2:25 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 14

Kev, that video saddened me a bit. Even with a new stadium, you'll never see that level of fan electricity. Ice skaters, flippin' snowmobiles?? Incredible. We've all gone soft, and there ain't no going back. The iPhone killed the stadium star.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 15

True, I doubt there will ever be that connection with the team again like we used to have. The pre-free agency era was wonderful...These were our guys for life! I remember Ed Marinaro, Doug Sutherland and Lurtsy used to come out to our van and tailgate with us after games...What a great time. I think this is the first production I've seen that actually gives the Vikings fans the props for inventing tailgating. I get so sick when I see NFL Films doing tailgating videos in KC, GB, Buffalo and never do they mention where it all started.

I'm thinking Brookdale...I'm thinking BIG BIG parking lot...I know I have that hibachi grill somewhere in the garage.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 16

New gallery. Click name.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 17

thanks trosy. I think someone passed that along last post - but it was good to see it again.

not sure if this has been passed around, click my name for a short USA Today article regardint the Twins move to TF.
Things to look for: "Twins Way" and a "public garage sale".

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 18

great video kev. if i had been born 10 years earlier (1969 instead of 1979) i am sure i would have been able to see a few vikings games at the met. unf ortunately, it was not to be. :-(

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 19

That USA Today article reminded of a question I have about the Nationals stadium. Their new stadium has been bashed here in this forum quite a bit but I'm curious what specifically is it about the stadium that's so poor? I really haven't seen it much so I don't know what some of the issues were or are with it. Anyone have details?

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 5:12 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 20

"Amateur baseball games will still be held at the Dome during the cold months and the Twins will continue to put on their annual fan festival underneath the Teflon-coated ceiling..."

This seems to put to rest the question of Twins Fest, unless I missed something earlier.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 21

The Nationals stadium should be a blueprint for what not to do when building a new park. Too many poor choices to list. :)

Regarding the club level overhang - the 3D viewer didn't show the extent of the view obstructions I believe will be there if you are sitting in row 19 or higher (you may even see some in rows 17 and 18). It'll be interesting if it will be a major disappointment or minor annoyance for those with seats under the overhang.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 22

dang! The new gallery pictures *almost* show what I need to see in 102 (row 9 seat 3). I wanna know if I can get to my seat from the aisle between 101 and 102. Rick, did you take a picture of my seat today for me?? lol


Posted on October 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM by Jac Highlight this comment 23


You've got one of the least-photographed spots in the ballpark there. In fact, it's almost impossible to get pictures of it unless you're right there.

But I did find this in the background of another picture:

Even that is inconclusive because it depends on the numbering of the rows. On the 3D locator, section 101 begins with row 10, and section 102 begins with row 3. But according to the photo, that can't be correct. They may have needed to make an adjustment at the front of one of those sections.

My hunch is that 102 starts with row 3, and 101 actually starts with row 11. If that's the case, you're out of luck. The aisle would end behind you.

If I come across something more clear, I'll post. But it may be one of those a-ha moments on opening day...

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 7:54 PM by Rick 24

I should have mentioned it, but this picture was taken before the first row of seats was installed.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 7:56 PM by Rick 25

Great website, today I came across this site and I'm willing to bet I could spend MANY hours on here catching up with all of the posts. My wife and I have a deposit down on seats for next season, and will be selecting seats probably sometime next week according to our Twins Account Rep. You mentioned something in your posting that caught my eye and I'm hoping you may be able to help me

In your photo of the poles between the "gap" (I believe your between sections 122-123) you talk about the seats in the Legends Club and hoping that Season Ticket Holders know where the overhang starts because if they are in a high enough row they may not be able to see the scoreboard or the sky. Well as a new season ticket holder next season (we are looking for seats probably in 125 or 126) I want to make sure that the seats that I select DO NOT have the Legends Club directly above me. Can you elaborate as to what row you would need to be below to make sure that you are not under the overhang of the Legends Club (I would assume it starts somewhere around the 30th row). Your help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thank You!

Tyler Bauman

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 8:36 PM by Tyler.Bauman Highlight this comment 26

Faber CA,

Even the principals in the development of the National park have admitted that everything was rushed and not very carefully thought out.

My objections run from the exterior, which is a grotesque mismatch of a bunch of non-styles, to the moat-to-end-all-moats which sequesters a gigantic swath of seats directly behind the plate and virtually guarantees they will be mostly empty for the foreseeable future.

People who have been there generally give it positive reviews for fan comfort. But there wasn't anywhere near the level of attention to detail there as there was at Target Field.

Populous (formerly HOK) is very good at what they do from an engineering, political, and project management standpoint. But in terms of design, they are only as good as their collaborators. So don't blame them for the mess, blame the team.

Nationals Park is a sprawling mess of mismatched sections and undercooked ideas.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM by Rick 27


Stay in front of about row 33 in those sections. That should make sure you are out from under. I have also marked those sections as having limited visibility of the main scoreboard due to the angle, and with a partially obstructed view of the left field corner.

Welcome to the site!

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM by Rick 28

Tyler - the seat selection tool you will use indicates (or at least it did when I selected my seats in June) which seats are below the overhang and which seats have obstructed views of the main video board.

Try logging into the seat selection tool and it might show you which seats are under the the overhang.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 29

Rick -

Thanks for the welcome, I will be coming back all the time! Where did you "mark" these sections? I'd love to read that article, because it may change our thoughts as to where to get our seats.

Thanks again!


Posted on October 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM by Tyler.Bauman Highlight this comment 30

Mike -

As a deposit holder, they will not give us log in information for the seat selection tool (this is the ONLY thing thats bugged me about the Twins Stadium so far). Where we were a deposit holder on TCF Bank Stadium they allowed us (once it was confirmed we've have tickets) full access on the seat selection page for TCF Bank Stadium. I really wish they would allow that for Target Field. I would LOVE to use that tool, and it sounds as though it was very helpful for you.


Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM by Tyler.Bauman Highlight this comment 31

Thanks Rick :) Yes, I agree the numbering seems off from the original plan so I probably won't know until I get inside. My plan was to be cheaply tucked up in against the wall there out by Cuddy but I wouldn't mind being able to sneak into my seat from that side. :)

Looking at this reminds me that I may want to buy a glove.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:06 PM by jax Highlight this comment 32

oh Rick, I have one more very important question - life or death really. Did you see any indication if TF is going with Coke or Pepsi???

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:11 PM by jax Highlight this comment 33

Faber, in addition to Rick's comment, Nationals Park has the problem of being compared to Oriole Park, less than an hour's drive north. The ballpark designers wanted two things: a ballpark that contrasted the old-time, brick look of Oriole Park and a ballpark that, while modern, blended in with the federal-style look of many of downtown D.C.'s building. The result? A gray, but new, non-descript looking ballpark. Another problem is its location. It was built on land that used to house the District's seedy gay strip clubs and bath houses in an industrial, poor and high-crime area. The hope was the ballpark's construction would prompt a rebirth with new developments of condos, restaurants and what have you. However, the economy collapsed right after the ballpark opened, and now the ballpark sits in an area with nothing else to offer except an unsafe feeling after dark. So, Rick's comments + these = a significant letdown when it comes to new ballparks.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:16 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 34

....not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM by jax Highlight this comment 35

Jax--Alas, it will be a Pepsi park.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 36

Actually Rick, blame MLB, not the 'Nats. Nationals Park was designed prior to the sale of the team to the current owners, Ted Lerner (Lerner's group bought the team in July 2006, while groundbreaking was May 2006)... Now, you can make some changes to design as you go, but not anything major...

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:34 PM by Goober Highlight this comment 37

I hope you are right fiesta - I hope you are right!

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM by jax Highlight this comment 38

jax - Target Field is going with Pepsi, in fact, the Twins have already signed a 7-year contract with Pepsi. The link (and press release from the sports business journal) was posted on this site a few weeks ago. The Twins have not yet officially announced the deal, but it has been signed and there are even Pepsi dispensers throughout the concession areas at TF now.

Tyler - that is unfortunate you cannot get access to the seat selection tool. I don't think you are going to get much in 125 or 126 because I selected in phase I in June and those sections were pretty much filled already. Same with 103 and 102. The best I could get at the end of June was section 102, row 18. Keep us all posted with the seat selection! Its nice to hear what seats are still available an what options still exist this late in the selection process.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 9:45 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 39

Good post Rick. I just finished reading the GM Handbook today, and it is well worth the money. A must recommend to any serious Twins fan.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM by Camden Pike Highlight this comment 40


I have put together a lot of information -- including diagrams and spreadsheets -- about obstructed views. It's not on the site yet because it's somewhat speculative, though all based on the 3D seat locator.


Pepsi it is, and I'm looking forward to enjoying my first ever Diet Dew at a ballgame!


I always forget about that additional level of bungling. You're right, it was the MLB yahoos that laid all the bad foundations for that building, and the new team owners were largely stuck with it. It's hilarious because, when Nationals Park was originally authorized, the city put in the law that the park must be "architecturally significant." Well, boing. It's not. Not even close. It's terrible.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM by Rick 41


By the way, that 3D seat locator is open to anyone on the Twins web site and it's very handy. You should check it out now to make a plan for when you finally get into the official tool later.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 11:17 PM by Rick 42

Oh thanks Mike and Rick - I must have missed that post about Pepsi! Yay! No more smuggling in 12 oz bottles in my pants.

Oh and Mike, I'm 102, row 9 up by the wall. see you there :)

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 06:21 AM by jax Highlight this comment 43

Keeping in the spirit of something we've done in the past...

Target Field at Pepsi Stadium ???

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 06:59 AM by luke Highlight this comment 44

Rick -

Thanks for the information. I have used the 3D locator and it's a nice tool, but it doesn't allow you to view up all you can do is basically scroll (view) left and right. I understand that you haven't posted the information on the site because it's all speculative, but I've attached my email and would love to see that information if you'd be willing to send it. If not, I completely understand, just would be helpful is determining what the best seats would be for my wife and I. By the way, I spent WAY too much time on the site last night reading old posts...this is an amazing site with a TON of information.

Mike -

When I put down my deposit back in August for 2010 I had my account rep look at what the best seats were available at the time for the Field Box. He mentioned that there were still a select few season ticket holders remaining to select but that these rows wouldn't change too much.

125 row 30
126 row 16
127 row 9
101 row 20
102 row 24
103 row 38

I found it very interesting that the first base side (stadium view) instead of the third base side (skyline view) seats were taken first. I would have thought that people would enjoy a view of the city, but apparently not.

Thanks for all the help guys!

Tyler Bauman

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 09:29 AM by Tyler.Bauman Highlight this comment 45

Vendor: "No Coke! Mountain Dew or Crab Juice!"

Homer: "Eeeeeeeew Yuck.........I'll just go with the Crab Juice."

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 09:48 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 46

Tyler, I spoke to several STH's I know and several of them chose the first base side due to the fact they wanted to be in the shade on those hot days in June/July/August. That might be part of the reason why the first base side seems to be filling up quicker.

Another thing could be that the Twins dugout is now on the first base side and a lot of fans like to be on the same side as the Twins dugout.

I personally chose the shade and also wanted a better view of the main video board. As for the skyline, I know what Minneapolis looks like and can sacrifice the skyline view in exchange for shade and better views of the video board.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 10:07 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 47

Tyler, I don't know if this will help but I sometimes tried to get a picture of seats I was interested in by viewing from a higher location and/or over a section or two.
Mike hit it dead on for the reasons 1st base was filling up quicker. I think also there might be better angles and closer positions when comparing "equivalent" locations, for example, 107 looks closer than 121, 104 than 121, etc.
Hopefully the shade factor will even out, so that on cooler days you will be more comfortable on the 3rd base side, if that's where you end up. $29 is a good value, in my opinion, for those sections. Will you use the online seat selection system when it comes time, or will it be by telephone with your rep?

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 11:50 AM by robin Highlight this comment 48

I meant to say "...104 than 124, etc."

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM by robin Highlight this comment 49

First Base sider here - I liked the proximity to the plaza for easy in/out. I also like not frying my face off. I'm one of those fair skinned blonde scandahoovians. There's alot of us here so that may explain it. Also maybe all the talk earlier about the glare on the 3rd base side scared some people. lol

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM by Jax (aka Jac) Highlight this comment 50

There are definitely advantages to NOT having Twins season tickets in 2010. I personally will be sitting in a variety of locations until I get a good feel for the place. This allows for seeing the game from different angles, checking out where the obstructions are, deciding when/if to attend a game without obligations from already having tickets, seeing if the Club level is worth it, and not being locked into the same location for the entire season. Also, 81 games is a lot. It will be very interesting to see how many people magically have lots of new friends and how many end up being amateur ticket brokers because very few people can and/or want to attend 81 home baseball games each season. I see people are already trying to sell off large portions of their tickets for next season at a few of the online venues...

There are a couple of advantages to being a STH (guaranteed postseason seat location and discounted per game ticket price), but don't fool yourself. This "Metropolitan Club" will be nothing special. Anyone with a season ticket gains entrance. Next year it will be jam packed and probably will be a wait to get in due to capacity issues. Call me crazy but I don't enjoy claustrophic environments and swapping sweat with other fans in close proximity. I will give the Twins marketing dept an A+ they have done a terrific job getting people excited. I just hope expectations for actual in-game experience are tempered. Otherwise there will be lots of disappointed people next April.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM by Max Highlight this comment 51

as for the "garage sale" the twins folks where out on the plaza for about the last month of te season hawking old give aways and stuff pretty cheap i bought bobbleheads for my kids for 5 bucks each,, santana, hunter and radke kind of stuff ... pretty good deal i hope this sale they have might have bigger stuff like say a twins chair from the locker room or somthing...

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 12:37 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 52

Kev in AZ........Tailgate?????? sounds like you are a beliver buddy!

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 53

Tyler - when you talk to your rep, get an idea of where the "drip rows" may be - 125 row 30 may be close. If so, you may want to avoid this location. A "drip row" is generally the row or two immediately ahead of the first full row under the overhang. I don't remember where that is for field box. What happens when it rains is that the folks in those two rows get bombarded with the rain/runoff that collects from the deck above. I've seen this happen in many stadiums. The absolute worst is if you seat is directly below the sight line above.

Given the choices you list above, I'd take 126, but then I'm not a huge fan of field box locations due to the angles. I'd much rather sit on the terrace level in the infield for the same $,

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 1:13 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 54

Max - you seem to be confusing the benefits of being a season ticket account holder and having season tickets. While I understand the benefits of not being a season ticket holder (mostly risk if you can't find enought partners to share), I don't see any reason not to have a share of season tickets, primarily because of the price differences. Although the Twins haven't announced the retail prices for individual games, you can be certain that there will still be a significant break over the season ticket cost.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 1:17 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 55


You must have forgotten about the disagreement we had over a year ago. I have always been a fan of tailgating...but certainly not at an urban ballpark where there's no room to do tailgating the RIGHT way. Much like the wave belongs to 1970's college football games, tailgating belongs to large parking lots, not downtown Minneapolis.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 1:18 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 56

I agree with you Max, I have had a 20 game plan for a few years now and even 20 games seems like a lot of games to go to since I am from the Rochester area and have a 90 minute drive for each game. I thought about upgrading to a 40 game or full-season plan but its just not worth it and is too much of a hassle to try to re-sell all of those games, especially if you are one of those people trying to pay your mortgage from selling your tickets. It also gets expensive when you look into the 40 game or full season plans.

Rick is trying to start a ticket exchange on here so all of us ballpark geeks can get chances to experience different areas of Target Field next year without paying excessive prices.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 57

We went for the Skyline View. We are in Section 121 Row 16. We take the light rail to the majority of the games, and 121 is located on the same side of the stadium as the station. I think we kinda lucked out (I hope) with our seat location. Row 16 is the very first row that is under the Legends Club overhang in 121. By viewing pictures/webcam, I have been able to tell that if it rains, these seats shouldn't be getting that wet. Also, viewing the webcams and with a couple of tours, it appears as if the seats are just in the shade for day games which is created by the overhang above. I wanted to be closer to the action but these seats may end up great. The best thing is that there is a still a perfect view of the scoreboard and the entire playing field. The Legends Club overhang does not take away from any of this in this location. We are somewhat protected but still have full view of everything.

Being that the Twins are moving to the 1st base side at TF, 3rd baseline seats allow you to actually see in the dugout. I like that better than being closer to the dugout.

Like a lot of you have said, it will take quite a few games to exactly figure out what is your most desirable seat location. I am quite sure that I will be changing seat locations at sometime, but I am hoping that we are good to go where we are now.

Just my thoughts.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 1:29 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 58

3rd base here as well, mostly for the skyline view (LC, section Q). I'll welcome the sun during day games, my pasty white face could use the color!

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 59

"these seats shouldn't be getting that wet"

How wet is OK with you? :-)

I think the ticket exchange - if done right - will be an excellent way for "us" to experience different locations.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 60

JFH: Those are one and the same in my mind. The price break won't be "significant" unless people pay the ridiculous service/convenience fees (which are easily avoidable). And even then "significant" is open to interpretation as far as what that means to each person. At the Dome the Twins were selling Lower Reserved for $31 to STH for $28. Diamond View $50 to STH $44. And a similar difference for Lower Club. The ability to pick and choose game date/location/weather conditions etc. is worth that price difference to me. Especially when you can pick up tickets for the STH face value anyway. To me there was little to no incentive to get Twins STs unless you had seats in the Top 10-20% of the Dome or wanted to skip the Priority lines in order to get Club seats...

I know you have lots of money invested in your Twins tickets for next year. But take a step back for a second. The Twins have everyone drinking the Kool-Aid...

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 2:27 PM by Max Highlight this comment 61

Kevin in AZ,
thanks for that Vikings/Met Stadium link, and you're absolutely right. I'm only 26 years old (born in 1982), so I don't remember outdoor Vikings football at all, but I'm a child of Minnesota Winters, cross-country and downhill skiing, snow-forts, pickup football games in the snow-covered church parking lot, etc, etc, and I've always known in my heart of hearts that what was portrayed in that "top 10 home field advantages" video is absolutely true. I'm almost shocked at myself that I'm contributing to a Vikings conversation on here since I don't consider myself a Vikings fan at all, but after watching that highlight reel, seeing fans tailgating, icy cold outdoor football, fans shirtless in the winter like those real nfl fans over in Green Bay, it almost made me want to be a Vikings fan. How great would it be to have that reputation again?..."Minnesota tough"..."crazy ass midwesterners"...teams actually afraid to come play the Vikings at home. The team and the fans have gone soft. Sad thing is, there was so much heart and character in that fan base that was lost when they moved inside, and I'm not sure that it (that specific character) could ever be regained by moving back outdoors. You'd never have a tough Bud Grant coach like that again. No gloves or heaters allowed? Ha! The babies in the present-day NFL would whine and revolt and demand to be traded to another team. Now we can only look back nostalgically.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 3:18 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 62

I first started out looking at a 2 tickets/20 Game Plan, then went to 4 tickets/20 games, then 2 tickets/40 games, then 4 tickets/40 games. Finally said screw it and got 4 tickets to a full season. The benefits include in no particular order:

1. Guaranteed Opening Day tickets
2. Price break (4 tickets x 81 games x $5.00 ave. savings per ticket = $1620 Savings)
3. Got to select seats in 121 instead of 122 (121 is full season only)
4. Found someone on Craigslist to buy half the season. So still got a "40 game plan" with better seating options.
5. Split my 40 Games with 3 other groups of friends. So we all essentially have a "10 game plan". We are holding a draft for the games.
6. 25% off at Twins Pro Shops
7. Metropolitan Club (not that big of deal at all to me though)
8. GREAT opportunity to trade tickets with other STH's. The Twins Website STH area has a ticket exchange where you can trade with other STH's

Point - If you get creative, you can pick up a season ticket plan, not have to fork out all the dough, and not forced to go to, or worry about selling all your games. You still have the flexibility to trade tickets with your ticket partners throughout the season if something comes up where you can't make a game.

The number one benefit for me with ST's is that you know where you are going to be sitting every single game. I was Flex 40 STH the last year and hated it. Good seats were impossible to obtain. You never knew where you were going to sit. I sacrificed partial Wild Season Tickets for Twins season tickets this year and years to come (I'm a way bigger Twins fan than Wild, just hated the Dome), and loved that I always knew where my rump was resting for every game. Even got to know a couple beer vendors on a first name basis. They would see me a know exactly what I wanted. (not really a bonus, just fun)

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 63


How does the ticket exchange on the Twins site work? Are there fees involved?

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 3:41 PM by Rick 64

I saw something like that too on the STH site. As far as I could tell it was sparsely used and seemed like a way for people to contact each other, but I didn't notice any systematic trading mechanism.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM by robin Highlight this comment 65

I just looked again and there is a discussion board for STHs where they discuss things, including sometimes exchanging tickets. But I don't see much there. Am I missing something?
They seem to have just announced an extension of the lights for another 100 hours.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM by robin Highlight this comment 66


I'm not so sure about that. I think the Vikes have a great core of young fans like they did in the 60's. I'm sure they would embrace the elements like we did, especially if it meant winning in the playoffs and having a real homefield advantage again.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:09 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 67

hey max - some friendly advice. how about just once or twice you try viewing life a little less cynically while on here? i don't think i have ever read a post of yours that didn't sound like some kind of conspiracy theory.......whether it is the twins, people drinking the kool-aid, season tickets or the ticket purchasing process in general.

said another way: chill out!

sheesh! ;-)

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 68


Robin is correct. There really isn't a site for ticket exchange, it is more or less just a message board where you make postings about exchanging tickets. It would be nice if they did make it more of a formal, electronic process. Sorry if I was a little misleading on that.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:14 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 69

I'm a partner in a full season, and have used their Ticket exchange program quite a bit, though never on-line. You're not exchanging directly with other STHs - you're basically exchanging with the Twins. We have 2 seats, and I would invariably use the exchange program to trade my two seats for multiple games, for multiple tickets to a single game. Then I could take the whole family to a game without having to buy two extra seats. Good way to "use up the tickets" so to speak - yes, 41 games per year is alot. No "official" exchange fees involved, but if you traded into tickets of lower value, you did not receive compensation from the Twins for the price difference. A couple of other rules:

- The exchange had to occur at least 48 hours prior to the games you were trading out of, and into.
- You could not exchange into, or out of, 'premium games' (opening day, Yankees and Red Sox series, and I think the last regular season home game this past year)

I always made my exchanges right at the Twins ticket office at the dome - easier to communicate with them, easier to choose games and seats.

I have been wondering if they will offer something similar at TF next year, but am not holding my breath. Hence, my excitement about Rick's site!

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 70

Yeah, that was a decent program. But once they started selling a lot more season tickets I found it difficult to get comparable seating in recent years. I don't think they expect to do that next year. They feel their inventory will be scarce and the program could not benefit many people.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM by robin Highlight this comment 71

Kevin, I agree that the Vikings have a very energetic fanbase right now. It would take some time for people to adjust, but Vikings fans would embrace the cold weather, especially if the team is good. For all the great memories of the Met, it ought to be noted that those teams from 1969 to 1977 were among the elite in the NFL. The fans were willing to watch them in good and bad weather.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 72

Max - yes, I hvae a fair amount invested in tickets, but I hardly consider that "drinking the Kool Aid". The benefits of having season tickets is hardly unique to the Twins. We go to over 40 games a year, have a great group of folks I split tickets with, have better seats than I could generally get otherwise and don't have to worry about getting post-season tickets. And, having seats in two locations, I can pretty much go to any game I want.

If your point is "I wouldn't buy a season ticket plan just to have seats for 10 games", I agree with you. Mosts STHs I know (or people who partner with them) are generally satisified.

In my experience, those that expect to go to 10 games or more are better off being part of a group. I happen to like being the account owner better than being part of someone else's group, but I doubt I'd be an account owner if I only went to a few games a year.

I guess I don't understand why you think having/sharing season tickets is such a bad thing.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 73

The Twins ticket exchange program isn't all that great, compared to other similar programs. That's the one area of the STH program I would change (and I would model it after the Rockies plan that allows exchange into any area of the park at dollar for dollar at STH cost levels for future games or same seating area for exchange of tickets for games already played).

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 8:22 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 74

If demand is as high as they think it will be, the Twins won't need to offer those exchanges and may not be able to.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 8:38 PM by robin Highlight this comment 75


Are you saying in CO you can exchange unused tickets to past games, for tickets to future games? Wow - that is generous.

By the way, which section are you in next year

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 9:11 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 76

Yes, the Rockies allow you exchange unused tickets to past games to certain future games (a couple of weeks during the summer and all September games). For tickets to games that haven't been played yet, you can exchange into all but a handful of premium games (e.g. fireworks, Cubs)

I'm in Home Plate Box and Legends Club for next year. Will probably split between the two locations.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 77

The Twins were also allowing us to exchange unused past game tickets to specifically designated future games, usually 3 dates, upper level club, best available. That policy is almost certainly over now.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 10:06 PM by robin Highlight this comment 78

robin - the exchange program is more a benefit for the STHs, since it only provides marginal incremental benefit to the club. Although the Twins are on target to sell 17K FSE, that still leaves 22K+ seats, so there is plenty of inventory.

Besides, the value of the type of exchange program is that seats that wouldn't normally be available for single game sales (tickets that STHs exchange for other games) now are. So the club can essentially sell certain seats twice - once for the season ticket cost and once at retail.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 10:12 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 79

Anybody want to own a stadium??? You...yes you can own the Pontiac Silverdome for 3 easy payments of.....clicky clicky

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 80

jfh - maybe they were just being optimistic then. Their literature seemed to say they would no longer be able to offer those benefits, because of anticipated demand. The same went for their old policy of allowing STHs to buy extra tix for home opener and playoff seats. But you are right, there should be extra tickets available for the bulk of games, at least for a while. I continue to believe the state of the economy will be a major factor, one way or another, depending on people's optimism or pessimism.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 05:41 AM by robin Highlight this comment 81

Forgive me if someone has already said this - I couldn't make myself read all the responses before I opened my mouth but

Max - are you CRAZY? You are forgetting a few details in this Target Field inaugural season.

1. A am guaranteed to be at the first game at TF. It cost me $29. What will you end up paying, if you can even get a ticket? Seats in my row for the Red Sox series are already posted on stubhub for $300 each and it's only October. (see link) ((It will be curious to see what the sharks will leave for the average Joe to buy and how much they'll be scalped for this year.))

2. We do have 81 games, but I have so many people clamoring to buy my seats for a game or more, I'll see my money back - and possibly more! - on anything I don't use. I'm not sure I'll be able to say that in subsequent seasons once the novelty wears off, especially if the Twins *knock wood* have a bad year.

3. Like others have said, I can use ticket exchange if I want to change my perspective. But I'm sure I'll be very happy out by Cuddy. :D

4. I don't give a bleep about any Metropolitan Club or any other but for some initial curiosity. I'm going to be plastered to my 'front row' seat to watch the Central Division Champions. After all, this IS about Twins Baseball not just the building.

5. Nobody is disappointed by anything yet in April! We save that for August and September! lol jk Though we are losing our quirky hops and things lost in the roof, I'm very hopeful for 2010 as long as we regain our health (Mornsey, Slowey, Neshek.)

Anyway, as a Twins fan, I couldn't bear NOT being guaranteed a place to sit next year and all it took was a couple 401k loans - barely felt it! lol

Sorry for the early morning rant - I feel better :)


Posted on October 22, 2009 at 06:48 AM by jax Highlight this comment 82

Couple ideas:

a) why are we talking about the Twins Ticket Exchange, while Rick's will be the best one around?

b) Zygi perhaps maybe should consider buying the Silverdome. Tear the damn place down, and have a whole bunch of open land to build a new stadium.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 07:04 AM by luke Highlight this comment 83

The Silverdome is one big place you could have a big ol tailgait party out there. I doubt a bid of a buck or two is going to buy the place though. After seeing the videos advertising the place and all its amenitys kinda leaves you wondering why the lions left there.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 09:59 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 84

I didn't look at the entire video, but I was thinking the same as Leroy. That dome doesn't look too bad, and unlike the Dome, there appears to be a large parking lot for tailgating. I am starting to think the Brookdale location might be a pretty good spot for a new stadium, because there would be plenty of tailgating space, and decent access to highways. Hopefully the stadium would help revitalize the area of Brooklyn Center.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 11:00 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 85

Hey Rick,

Any more pictures?

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 86


I was being sarcastic..

that doem looks way better than the hump for football and it was bulit 7 years b4 the dome i think...

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 87

webcam 1 @ 12:00 you can see the ribbon board next to the admin building is on showing the american flag

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 88

I kinda always liked the Silverdome actually.
I think it's bigger than Ford Field, isn't it? Silverdome sat like 81,000 for football. Ford Field barely seats 68,000.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM by luke Highlight this comment 89

jax, i agree with you about the season ticket benefits, but I wonder if that stubhub ticket price is so high because it's only october, and people generally pay more to lock them in in advance. The seller has plenty of time to lower the price if necessary.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 1:51 PM by robin Highlight this comment 90

YAWN.. This ticket talk is BO-RING. If Rick really wants to create a ticket exchange site (which I think is unneccessary and probably full of lots of legal potholes) that's his deal, but if I have to read about how Joe Loser is wondering who wants to trade with him for his seats in Sec. 121, Row 18, Seat 7 for the July 20th game vs. Cleveland, well some of you just might get your wish and I'll off myself.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 91

A lot of the listings on Stubhub are basically someone trolling for idiots.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 2:26 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 92

It is one thing to ask. It is an entirely another thing to actually get those prices. You can't see closed/final sales on StubHub so it is difficult to determine what exactly they sell for on that forum which is different than something like Ebay where it is crystal clear whether or not something sold and for how much.

So when people say "They are getting such and such on StubHub" you immediately lose me. As Ben alludes to above me, most of the prices are ridiculous compared to what any sane person should pay in any number of other ways to acquire tickets (Craigslist, Ebay, On the Street,etc).

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 2:47 PM by Max Highlight this comment 93

Interest in ticket exchange has been very high. This may be due to the high cost of the currently available options. I've got a long list of potential charter members. (Join the list by sending a message to: trade at ballpark magic d0t c0m.)

After a robust discussion, the model is now pretty much set and the development is in progress. Finding and filling legal potholes is part of development, but so far there's not much standing in the way.

I asked about the Twins exchange program because I'd never heard that such a thing existed. Ever since my StubHub experience and subsequent research, it has looked to me like the Twins consider StubHub to be their "official" method of ticket exchange. That's completely understandable given the fee structure.

More pictures tonight.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 2:51 PM by Rick 94

There is a new way to send your tickets to someone for next year. The Twins have changed their ticket company and now you can e-mail your tickets (if you are a season ticket holder) to someone for $2 per ticket. You can also send unlimited tickets free of charge to 2 people you specify at the beginning of the year.

With this new ticket program season ticket holders will also be able to sell e-tickets through stubhub, no more hassle of mailing out the tickets.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM by ChrisQ Highlight this comment 95

good lord, sure would love a character limit on this blog... seriously folks.

miss the good ol' days when we argued about the roof and ripped him a new one when mazaratirick insisted that tailgating is his god-given right.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 3:51 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 96

The problem with the Silverdome, at least according to some, was that it was TOO big. Just try and get 80,000 people to go see an 0-16 team out in the burbs. Ford Field is a really nice stadium. I walked through it when I went to a Tigers game in September. They really did a nice job. Some of the stadiums today (including Jerry Jone's rumpus room) are just too much. seriously, did you pay 100 bucks to watch the game on TV?? I don't mind that it's indoors either. Retractable roofs make NO sense in football. Play it indoors or out.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 4:15 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 97

That's a good point Duluth. I think Pontiac (where the S-Dome is) is like 45 minutes outside of Detroit. And, I certainly wouldn't make that drive to see an 0-16 team.

Kyle - tailgating IS a god-given right. It's even in the Constitution of this great nation: "the right to peaceably assemble"

More ticket exchange talk everyone! Apparently TruthHurts is gonna leave if it keeps up. I have my plan already in place - I'll be at TF the day tickets go on sale, buy as many games as I can afford, all different locations, and see where to go from there.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 4:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 98

Rick, About the Bullpens, I too think the Twins will take the upper pen. Last summer (08)you could see that area before it was enclosed at 5th st and 3rd ave. The upper B-pen had two rooms (center field side) to only one room for the lower B-pen for restrooms.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM by hans Highlight this comment 99


"the right to peaceably assemble" -

I love it! And thanks to Kevin for the old Met video. My old man was born & raised in Minneapolis and, whenever we would visit, he would love to tell me that the Foshay used to "tower" over the city, and the Met experience was unlike any other.

This is why I frequent this site everyday!

Click link. I don't know if I stumbled across this from a poster on this very site, but I wonder if anyone else finds this as hilarious as I do.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM by Nodak (aka Nodak "Rube") Highlight this comment 100

Charley Walters at the Pioneer Press reported in a recent article that the Twins would be taking the upper pen. I tried finding the article, but was unable to dig it up.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 6:10 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 101

*shrug* I never bought anything on StubHub so what do I know? :D

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM by jax Highlight this comment 102

Click my name for pictures on the progress of the baseball them mural by Craig David. Photos courtesy of Kevin Hendricks

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 6:27 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 103

yea those were the good old days kyle......well with this new no tresspassing policy in place looks like im not going inside the ballpark anymore...dont want to get banned for a year!

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 8:48 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 104

Nice link Nodak. Only in Minnesota can poetry and baseball merge so seamlessly!

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 9:13 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 105

No new pictures :(

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 9:36 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 106

they'll come, rick seems to do a lot of middle of the night posts

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 10:01 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 107

Geeze...take 2 days off and the board explodes :)

Only two things from me:

1) I took 3rd base side because I figured the sun in April, May, and September was worth more to me than ducking the more occasional day game in June, July, and August. That was my logic at least.

2) Does anyone know who the Twins picked as their ticket software vendor? Does MLB have a full license?

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 10:20 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 108

I've been watching this site it seems for years..GREAT SITE..I'm a season ticket holder who had the good fortune to get a tour today...LOTS of photos..Anyone see the ceiling in Hrbek's yet? Very cool...Hey Rick,How can I send you some photos?

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 109


I tried to describe that amazing ceiling in the entry above, but it's kind of hard to imagine unless you see it.

Send your pix to me: rick at (this domain) dot com

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 10:41 PM by Rick 110

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Posted on December 31, 2010 at 07:40 AM by Pharmb212 Highlight this comment 111

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This looks south and shows how the Northstar tracks are sheltered by the promenade above. This is the side which faces the HERC plant.

Bag checking at Ball Park Lanes was incredibly simple, as was the pick up later. The line was short and fast-moving.

The Ron Coomer corner features a bar.

Perched welder on the top of the canopy.

The art panels on the Fifth Street facade as viewed from the top of the Minnekahda building.

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The louvres on Fifth have been completely filled in

These openings will facilitate access to the catwalks which run throughout the canopy.

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Gate 3 ticket window

The Hrbek gate is directly below. It's a lively place after a game.

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Look closely at the overhang. You'll see the on the right it is flush with the fence, and then it sticks out farther and farther as you move toward center. More fun for Michael Cuddyer.

The entrances are all the way around on the other side.

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The storage tunnel is barely visible at left behind that guy.

The rules were clearly posted next to this new entry point on the Seventh Street side. I have no problem with the rules!

Ballark Authority members listen to the LEED introduction

Press box, hallway to the print room

A desolate Marquette Ave

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This is during halftime.

A distinct misstep, ostensibly to guard against missteps. But methinks I smell a lawyer...

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