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August 12, 2009 3:00 AM

Prior to my little tour yesterday, I took a walk around the Fifth Street side to get a look at the recently-installed wooden louvers.

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The wooden louvers are in on Fifth Street


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A closer look at the louvers

They are in contrast with the other materials on the facade, and have a look that is somewhat arresting -- in a good way. Because they shield the circulation ramp without hiding it, they serve rather nicely in the role of connecting the inside and outside of the ballpark.

I think it's fair to say that this type of facade element would work only on a select few types of buildings. In short, they make it look more like a ballpark. It's definitely a new signature element which is going to take a little time to grow into your eyes.

I can't wait to see what it looks like in larger form on the Seventh Street side.

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Fifth Street louvers way up close

The wood looked fragile to me from a distance, but I've been assured that they were specially treated somewhere in Wisconsin to withstand the extremes of cheese and beer -- er, I mean, Minnesota winters.

Viewed from within, you can see that the wood is attached to metal plates which are in turn attached to the spikes we've seen there for a while now. Also, the effect from within is likewise very airy and open. Together with the wide ramps, they help quell any feelings of claustrophobia which might otherwise crop up (though this is hard to imagine in a building as open as this one is).

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Showing more of the context for the louvers.

While on the tour I noticed that the emergency vehicle access was wide open. So after touring, I swung around and got some shots from the outside (can't believe I never thought of this before).

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Emergency access as viewed from outside the ballpark


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Emergency access viewed in context

That clearance (13' 6") is with the seating area not in place. Obviously, that's high enough for just about anything they'd need to bring in there. I haven't been able to find out the clearance with the seats in place.

Fast Facts

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I could gaze at this streetscape all day. It isn't perfect, but as a model for Minneapolis, I love it. (Except the Biff, of course. Click to enlarge.)

Here are some little things I heard or saw yesterday:

- The playing surface is 35 feet below the plaza level.

- The triangular grassy area on Seventh Street outside the Metropolitan Club will feature a history of Minnesota ballparks etched in glass. (Originally this was said to be a history of the franchise.)

- Microphones are already in place inside the ticket offices on the plaza. Looks like you could buy a ticket there now if it were staffed.

- 3 ticket vending machines will be installed beneath the staircase which leads to the skyway from the plaza. They will be right where the plaza connects directly to the B ramp.

- Just behind the Pavilion seats in center is a fence through which you can almost touch the B ramp's outer wall. That's how close the park is to the ramp.

- There is a small retail area on the main concourse in the admin building area (right inside Gate 14 Hrbek) which is ringed by a standing room area on the field side. I've heard this mentioned before, but I couldn't quite picture it. Unfortunately, I have no picture to show, but it looks like a cool area from which to watch a game with beer in hand (when it isn't packed with SRO ticket holders, that is).

- The landscaping changes have begun at the HERC.

- The bar in the 573 Club features a gigantic facsimile of Killebrew's autograph on its front. His signature is so classic.

- I saw many surfaces covered with what feels like a wood laminate, but looks like the spitting image of the limestone. How they did this is a mystery, but it's amazingly cool.

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Ready for action.

- Some areas already are locked and marked with signs which indicated that they were finished and accepted. In other words, parts of this ballpark are already done and ready to roll.

- The drink rails in the Metropolitan Club are made of metal, which is nice. But to properly recall the Met, that metal really should be covered with rust. And I think they may need to install some chain link fencing, and maybe a facsimile of those gigantic lighting towers which jutted out from the main grandstand and felt like they could come down at any moment. Then they should offer faux tetanus shots as you enter.

- I saw a patch of concrete on the main concourse which had recently been repoured. Apparently this was due to a problem discovered by the quality control team, and it had to be fixed for drainage or something like that.

Angles

Early in the tour I sat down in a seat in section 106 just to see how it felt. I noticed two things:

1. The leg room was better than the Metrodome, but not exactly spacious. I was able to cross my legs comfortably, but there wasn't much room at that point between my knee and the seat in front of me. Yes, it's an improvement, but I wouldn't make too big a deal of this if I were marketing the place. People might be a little disappointed.

At Comerica, I remember stretching out my legs in front of me with lots of room to spare. People could easily pass in front of me to go to the bathroom without my getting up. That will not be the case -- at least in this section -- at Target Field.

2. When I faced straight forward in the seat, I was looking at a point about 30 feet into the outfield grass behind second base. So I had to turn my head about 40 to 45 degrees to the left to see home plate. Needless to say, this was not what I expected.

As you progress down the line, the sections themselves angle further toward the infield, but I couldn't tell if the seats have any additional angle to compensate further. That will have to wait for another tour.

Wrapping Up

Finally, this from DeadSpin.com:

Next year, the Twins move into Populous-designed Target Field. It is everything the Metrodome is not. Open-air. Clean sight lines. Unimposing. Pretty. The word that gets thrown around by the Twins and their architects is "intimate," which, as we've noted before, is really just a new-age con whereby owners pump up ticket prices by slashing seating capacity and then pretend they just did fans a favor. One early review describes Target Field as a "family-oriented entertainment destination," which suggests that the Twins will now be playing in a Chuck E. Cheese. Get wealthy fans in, let 'em do everything but watch a game, and let 'em go home only after buying a bunch of officially licensed merchandise.

There's some truth in there, you know.

Do you know anything about post tensioning? I read that page twice and still have no idea what they're talking about, though it sounds like a good thing, I guess. (It's just a reminder that no matter how much you think you know, there's always something out there about which you know nothing.)

I'll leave you with this question: What in the hell are the Twins going to do with eleven flag poles? Thirteen I could understand (other teams in the AL), but eleven?!?

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Eleven flag poles

The model shows them as just solid colors, decoration only. But there's gotta be something more, don't you think? (I could not help but notice that the Twins have had exactly 11 managers prior to Gardy... A-ha!)

Comments


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Nice update Rick. I am just thinking about how the logistics of the stadium bumping that close to the parking ramp will work. Do you think fans in the stands are going to throw a lot of garbage behind them over the top the wall towards ramp thus creating a bit of ballpark dump? Also, how is TF going to keep people from slyly finding a way sneek in to the park from the ramp? That dead space behind there so close to a public facility seems like it may create some problems if it is not properly watched.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 07:35 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 1

The flagpoles were discussed over at baseball fever and one poster realized the that if you have a flag for each time the Twins won the AL West, Central, and AL pennant, you would have seven flags.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 08:29 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 2

My best guess for the flags: TC logo on one, M I N N E S O T A on middle 9, "M" Twins logo (or maybe TC again) on last flag. It has to be something that doesn't change, otherwise they would need to add more flagpoles (expansion teams if used for standings, retired numbers, titles, etc.)

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 08:43 AM by James Highlight this comment 3

Great post Rick!

Looks like they were working on the sign in centerfield when I drove by this morning...

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 08:56 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 4

I think we are missing an important point with the flagpole. Let's broaden the view a bit and remember they could have something in mind such as at Wrigley where more than one flag is on each pole. So therefore, it wouldn't necessarily have to be only 11 flags. It could be any combination of 1 or a few per pole, likely with some symmetry so it doesn't look goofy. This way, it wouldn't necessarily have to be something that doesn't change or require additional flagpoles. Not saying this will be what happens, just presenting an option.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 09:10 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 5

One flagpole for each of the 11 starters on the soon-to-be legendary 2009 Minnesota Vikings defense.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 09:17 AM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 6

Posttensioning is a construction type. Inside the slabs of concrete are steel rods that run between the individual slabs. These steel rods are then stretched (tensioned) after the final concrete slab is installed sandwiching the slabs together. It is common in our climate because you get the added structural benefit of steel without the worry of corrosion.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 09:31 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 7

I can't help but to think that your tone, Rick seems to have changed in regard to TF. It's almost if you realize that TF wont be as good as originally thought.

I'm wondering if these last few tours have soured you in any way?

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 09:51 AM by Boof Highlight this comment 8

So are the louvers completed? There are various gaps where it looks like there should be more installed.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 9

Those are some of the "knotholes", quite frankly I don't like how you can see the supports behind the louvers.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 10

Regarding the southwest, i think even if it does cost more to build tunnels i think 3C would be the best route extending it from 4th st to the Target Field Station. The other idea for downtown could be either ending at the Nicolet mall Hiawatha.Central Corridor Station or just have it just share the line with to the Ballpark.

This would give people form the southwest burbs an easy way to uptown the heart of downtown-Nicollet Mall and the ballpark

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 11

i agree Camden! i don't like that you can see those

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 10:47 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 12

post tensioning is the act of using a cable inside the girder, and after the girder is installed the cable is tightened, to add strength. It allows for the use of lighter material. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestressed_concrete

Thanks for all the work, I never miss a post.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 09:13 AM by AdamBez Highlight this comment 13

I was lying in bed after writing that post and I came up with this:

World Champs
1924
1987
1991

AL Champs
1925
1933
1965

Division Champs
1969
1970
2002
2003
2004
2006

Oh, darn. That would take 12 poles.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM by Rick 14

As far as the gaps go in the louvers, that is the finished product. As people were discussing on some posts yesterday, symmetry in architecture and design is a thing of the past. That is why these random gaps are present with the louvers. I know these things as my girlfriend used to be a commercial interior designer. Now, she sells products to Architects and designers for commerical projects. I hear about it all the time when I am working on projects around the house, which my ideas are shot down due to too much symmetry. For the "common" people like you and I, these non-symmetrical designs can sometimes be a bit annoying, but in the architecture and design field, these are creative and unique aspects to a building or space.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 15

Would it be:

2 World Series Champs (87 & 91)
3 American League Champs (65,87 & 91)
2 Western Division Champs (87 & 91) There was no divisions in 65
4 Central Division Champs (02,03,04 & 06)

The only thing I'm not sure about is the Western Division Championships. I think they started that in like 69 or 70 but can't find a record of winners.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:20 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 16

That is a good 11, PNB19. You may just have nailed it!

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 17

The seats in section 106 don't point towards home plate??? Wow, I am amazed. That's like going to a movie theater where the seats don't face the screen. That's like ... watching baseball in the Metrodome! Arg!

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 18

Rick- How does the wheelchair seating look? Do you have any pictures?

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM by Michael Highlight this comment 19

I am driving down to the cities this weekend. If I drive to the new field, Will I get any good pictures that will have the twins logo on it? Or they not quite up yet?

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM by cory Highlight this comment 20

i don't think they would have AL champs and WS champs flags for both '87 & '91; you would only have one for each year (no point in reiterating what is a given - you win the WS you were obviously league champ)

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 21

Michael,

Accessible seating looks spacious, plentiful, and very well placed. I'm no expert on what is required by law, but I'd say that the accessibility in this park is just off the charts. It's everywhere. (Sorry no pictures.)

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM by Rick 22

cory,

The scoreboard has the Twins logo displayed prominently. You can't miss it. Beyond that, there are Twins Territory banners hung all over the place.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM by Rick 23

Boof,

I have definitely not been soured on the place by taking tours. But I have gotten a good reality check.

For example, some people are under the impression that there will be no bad seats in the place. That really depends on your definition of "bad". There are some sections (mostly in the outfield) that I would avoid like the plague.

I'm also mindful that there will be big parts of the ballpark that most people will never see (unless the team offers paid tours). That means that a lot of cool things, like the quote wall, 573 Club, and Puckett/Carew atriums, will never be seen by about 90% of the people who come to the park.

If my tone has changed, it's only to reflect the reality that, as great as TF is, expectations have to be set appropriately.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:11 PM by Rick 24

What is the tall thing in center field going to be?

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 25

According to PNB19's theory, the Twins front office gave up on this year's squad winning the division A LONG TIME AGO.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 26

I am really quite angry that a lot of the elements like the quote wall, 573 club, Puckett/Carew atriums are left only for the elite. It's not fair that the average fan has to be shut out of these areas just because they are not able to fork out the big bucks. But I suppose that's why they call it a "club" and I guess I am not offended that I can't go just hang out in the lap of luxury at places like the Minneapolis Club. I just wish that these almost museum like works were more accessable to every patron of TF.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 27

Michael, click my name.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM by Rick 28

Rick - can you expand on which sections you would avoid and why?

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 29

Now I get it, it's the support for the logo. Thanks.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 30

I like the wood panels on the ramps, but I hate the contrived quirks of leaving a few out here and there. To me it looks like vandals stole a few.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 31

PNB19, The Twins also won the Western Division in 69 & 70. We lost both times to the Orioles.
Fun fact: When the Senators/Twins won the 24 World Series, we were tied at One apiece with the Yankees. What happen'd after that was unbelievable.
Sorry...one more geek fact: The White Sox are the original old St Paul Saints Ballclub

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM by Hans Highlight this comment 32

Yup, owned by Comiskey himself, rumor has it one of the early Minneapolis Millers may have become the New York Yankees, Millers ceased play the year the yankees started.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 33

You mean the Orioles, right? Because the original Yankees started out in Baltimore. It is odd how hazy the history of the Millers is after the AL comes into play.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 34

legacy - i thought i had read somewhere that the "old" minneapolis millers western league squad (or at least parts of it) were made to move to baltimore and became that "orignal" AL club (when the AL first came onto the scene) for the 3 years they were actually in baltimore (1900-1903). and then the orioles moved to new york in 1903 and became the new york highlanders. they would later change their name to "yankees" in i believe the latter part of the decade of 1910.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 35

Maybe the wood louvers are intended to partially hide larges groups of fans bailing out in the fifth inning.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 36

I was trying to find the link on the subject, but I can't.

Legend has it that the Millers moved to Kansas City sometime in the 1890s. This team was then disbanded when the Western League became the American League, but much of the team became the 1901 Baltimore Orioles, which in turn became the Yankees in 1903.

I don't think the chain is direct, but how ironic that the Yankees may be able to trace their origin to Minneapolis (and Athletic Park, which was located on the site now occupied by Butler Square, just off the end of Target Plaza).

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM by Rick 37

Buckingham Wetherford McEvers cracks me up.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 38

Yes Rick please go in to detail about the outfield seats you would avoid like that.. my seats are in the the lf blechers 11 rows up on the end of the row next to the bulpen.... i will be pissed if they suck but it would not be the end of the world since i will spend the better part of 25 gmaes next year walking around and trying to go ninja up in that peice!

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 39

I'll be one of those people leaving early tonight -- even if the Twins don't suck (what are the chances?) because I'll have a kid with me who needs to get home to bed. I know that we'll make it through the 5th because we have to see if we get on the scoreboard with our cell phone photo!

Look for us in the Upper GA. I'll be wearing my nifty new Ballpark Magic t-shirt:

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM by Rick 40

8 Division Championships- 69,70,87,91,02,03,04,06
3 League Championships- 65,87,91

That's the most sense I can make of the 11 flags (although it does exclude the Senators years).

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM by ace Highlight this comment 41

Rick ---

I have a "call me" on my phone messages from Matt H. Maybe we should - quickly - get a list of questions established.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 42

"Buckingham Wetherford McEvers cracks me up."

It's actually Bertram Wellington ----- . You may call me Duke.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 43

Ask Hoy the tough questions McEvers. No softballs!!!!

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM by Max Highlight this comment 44

For example, some people are under the impression that there will be no bad seats in the place. That really depends on your definition of "bad". There are some sections (mostly in the outfield) that I would avoid like the plague.

Rick, what are some of the sections that you are down on in particular?

I have not had a chance to tour the park, but from the seating charts, sections 101-103 and 125-127 look pretty poor for viewing home plate and the infield action, especially as you get closer to the field.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:35 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 45

What is the address of the new ballpark so I can find it when I come to town. Also, are they giving any kind of tours for it for the public?

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM by Cory Highlight this comment 46

I now see that at least two other posters have asked the same question. Sorry for being redundant.

The Twins putting certain items off limits in the different stadium clubs and elite areas is okay in my book. They have to make money and those special areas carry a lot of the weight in that regard. However I do hope that the World Series trophies end up in place accessible to all fans.

It's too bad that the plans for a team museum/hall of fame had to be scrapped due to space restrictions. The White Sox actually had a pretty nice one when New Comiskey first opened, but they later compromised it by turning the area into an expanded team pro shop with the remaining historical displays tucked in between jerseys, caps, and coffee mugs.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 47

ace - how dare you! how can you concoct that together and skip out on the two World Series championships (three if you count the Senators in 1924)?? I think PNB19 nailed it, like Rick said.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:44 PM by luke Highlight this comment 48

"Ask Hoy the tough questions McEvers. No softballs!!!!"

For instance?

Rick already has a good deal of info that I provided but, by agreement between he and I, is being sat upon until further confirmation.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:46 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 49

Don't the seats in the corners angle more towards the pitchers mound? I know there's the basic angle of the stadia but in other ballparks the seats give more of an angle.
here's one example

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:51 PM by Boof Highlight this comment 50

Maybe the no photo policy has more to do with controlling hysteria over potentially obstructed seats rather than protecting a few "a-ha" moments.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM by ManBearPig Highlight this comment 51

I don't believe that the no-photo policy has anything to do with seats. Other than the rail issue, I think the Twins did a good job during the seat selection process so you had a pretty good idea of views and potential obstructions.

I'm a little confused about Rick's comment on the 106 seats - looking at the seating chart and the seating model, that's where I would expect to be facing.

I would expect that sections 101, 102, 103 and some of 104 (and the corresponding sections on the other side) have angled/articulated seats. but not 106.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 7:21 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 52

some Royals blogger posted some TF pics - click

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 9:08 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 53

Here is more info about post-tensioning (concrete reinforcement).
http://www.amsyscoinc.com/why/post_tensioning.php

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 5:18 PM by Neel Highlight this comment 54

Yep, I think that guy is their MLB.com reporter. They had a story about Target Field today on the Royals website and one of those pictures was used.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 9:27 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 55

So you're going to give Billy Martin his own flag pole - Hmmmm

The Deadspin.com comments (at least the economically-slanted comments) could be applied to Camden Yards and any other park built since Camden opened, which at this point (unless I'm counting wrong) is an amazing 20 of the 30 total major league parks. This number includes TF, does not include major renovations at KC and Anaheim. Wow.

The previous ballpark boom brought us a slew of stadiums that were functional - cookie cutter parks where you could play football and baseball. Our current boom has given us a slew of parks that are aesthetic and nostalgic. It will be very interesting to see what the next ballpark boom is going to offer.

Great pictures as usual - thanks Rick.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 9:52 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 56

jfh,

i think rick was talking about some seats in the home run porch, you cannot see the left field wall from those seats and a large part deeper left field b/c the scoreboard ribbon is actually over the playing field, making it impossible to see deep left, he didn't make any mention of 100 level seats being bad

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 57

luke- lol sorry to offend. The only problem I could see with PNB19's guess was the fact that it left out 69&70 for division championships. If they include the central division titles, why would they leave out western division championships?

Obviously the World Series titles would seem to be no-brainers, but if they are including division titles, it simply does not make sense to leave out two of them.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM by ace Highlight this comment 58

I have to say, I really don't care what they put on the flag poles, but there are 6 divisions in baseball, so I would think that all the teams would have a pennant on their respective divisions pole in the order of the current standings, so there are 5 left, probably one for for the 2 W.S. probably one for the division championships, and that leaves 3, maybe retired #'s on one of them,

and for the last two, it's not wrigley so I doubt there will be a gay pride flag on one of them, and it's not atlanta so I doubt there will be a confederate flag on one of them, maybe a giant wind sock on one of them, or an old time metal rooster weathervane on the top on one,

but really the two outside poles will be just twins flags as bookends, this is my bet

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 10:54 PM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 59

the flagpoles are probably to run the current management upside down up them......this team has choked period. The owners don't care and money will flow for next year and then the place will be vacant.....

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM by bw Highlight this comment 60

jfh,

Since the very beginning of the project the Twins have stated unequivocally that all seats in the ballpark would face the infield. Not the plate, mind you, but the infield. This was obviously to highlight one of the principle differences between a multi-purpose stadium like the Metrodome and a baseball-only facility like Target Field.

My definition of "facing the infield" would be to have some portion of the infield in my direct line of vision while facing straight forward in my seat. It could be the plate, or the mound, or second base, or I'd even accept the lip of the grass behind second base.

But I would not accept any point in the outfield as meeting a reasonable definition of "facing the infield."

When I've asked about this in the past, I was always reassured that the angle of the section or row was not pertinent because each seat would have an additional angle which would bring the infield into view.

So I did not mean to imply that the angle in section 106 was unbearable or atypical for a ballpark or anything like that. I only meant to point out that it did not match what the team has been saying publicly all along about where the seats would face. What I did not mention in the post was that I eyeballed other sections as we walked around, and I didn't see any substantial articulation at all. In photos, I think I may see some in the upper deck down the line, but I can't tell for sure.

That, in turn, made me wonder at what point the added articulation begins, and whether that articulation in each section will fully compensate for the natural angle of the section.

It was at least a curiosity, and at most a red flag. Either way, it bears watching and further research.

Posted on August 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM by Rick 61

DSP took a minute to update his blog, no literally a minute. Click link

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:16 AM by BB Highlight this comment 62

Not sure how I feel about the louvers on 5th St. It probably would look better if it had more of a complete finish without the gaps. I gotta hand it to them for sticking with the deconstructivism theme though.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:27 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 63

Lafferty,

Makes me wonder what people who know about architecture will think of Target Field.

Beyond its exterior, the whole place is an exercise in elegant functionality. It's so smooth that you might not notice that it might -- and I emphasize might -- be worthy of real artistic consideration.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:40 AM by Rick 64

Returning for a moment to LRT, this is one of the reasons I'm openly skeptical about the prospects for early success on the Central corridor.

That article reminds us:

"University Avenue will lose 85 percent of its on-street parking -- for good -- when the line is completed... About 11 areas along the avenue will lose all on-street parking."

This will fundamentally change the character of the corridor, including which types of businesses can be successful. The plan referenced in the article will pay for upgrades to existing off-street parking, but not create any new spaces.

One can easily imagine a situation in which all non-big-box storefronts disappear, replaced either by leasable office space or newly-created or newly-converted residential space. That will take a decade or more to sort out.

Despite going all the way to Target Field, the number of Twins fans will likely pale compared to Hiawatha because there aren't anywhere near the parking options. (Is there a Park-N-Ride lot anywhere in this project? Will those lots by TCF Bank Stadium be available for Twins fans? Not likely.)

You all know that I'm a big LRT supporter, but the Central corridor project has been botched -- big time.

No soup for you! Next!

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 01:45 AM by Rick 65

What is the address of the new ballpark so I can find it when I come to town. Also, are they giving any kind of tours for it for the public?

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 05:27 AM by Cory Highlight this comment 66

Cory, there is no tours for the public unless you know somebody who knows somebody. The address is non-existent at this point (at least that I know of) yet it is a few blocks north west from Target Center which is 600 First Avenue North, Minneapolis, MN 55403.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 07:46 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 67

I don't understand this whole parking on the street thing -- won't convenience to the lightrail open these businesses up to additional traffic created by the LRT ridership? Seems like shipping people to your business would offset the fact that a few parking spots will disappear. After all, that's the point of lightrail, right? Eliminate auto traffic?

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 07:47 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 68

DeePee, Will I be able to park close and walk up to it or do they have it all blocked off for a construction site?

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 07:49 AM by Cory Highlight this comment 69

You can walk up to it at any time and see it from various angles. You touch it or actually walk into it but you can get fairly close.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 07:51 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 70

Thanks alot. I will have to cruise over there before the game on Saturday.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 07:52 AM by Cory Highlight this comment 71

Rick-

I understand your feelings on the Central Cooridor...but can you think of any other route that would be better suited to connect the downtowns and still meet your criteria for success?

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 08:03 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 72

The Twins announce their newest "partner" at Target Field.

Obviously you need to click on my name to see it.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 08:20 AM by Pikachu Highlight this comment 73

There is ample parking on the side streets off of University for the businesses to thrive. If we want to live in a city, we have to accept the fact that we can't always park directly in front of our destination. People at Victoria Crossing park in the surrounding neighborhood. I think people on University will get used to that idea too.

University Ave in St. Paul seems woefully underused as it is anyways.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 08:34 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 74

Those KC pics are great, I'm liking the limestone on top of the dugouts more and more each time I see it. Does anyone have a link to the FSKC video mentioned in the article?

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 08:39 AM by Nick in CO Highlight this comment 75

Here is what I would like to see for the flag poles in left.

One flag for each retired number (6)

Then 4 flag poles with a large flag at the top. One for each: World Series Champs, American League Champs, Western Division Champs and Central Division Champs. Then below the large flag a smaller flag, one for each year the title was achieved.

Final flag pole with each year the allstar game was in Minnesota.

This would allow for easy additions.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 08:42 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 76

This mornings 9:00 AM Webcam 1 shot was just perfect. For some reason, the sun shone just perfectly to reflect the green seats already installed. I loved it.

Can't wait til they start installing those wood club seats, and how the slight color variation will mix with the rest of the park.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 09:03 AM by luke Highlight this comment 77

yea those pics from the royals site are sweet. that interior limestone fronting the pressbox is awesome showing the different shades of stone and how it plays off the sun. countdown to that beautiful grass field install.....i'm pyched.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 09:15 AM by tim Highlight this comment 78

Rick,

I think a lot of the concerns over street parking are being overblown. If you follow University Ave. the first thing that becomes clear is there is a ton of off-street parking. there are shop owners who have complained - but most are cheesed that they won't be able to park in front of their own store. I can think of no place on the line where the loss of street parking is going to devastate local businesses.

Moreover, I think the goal (for st. paul anyway) was to find a way to turn that corridor in to a mixed use area, whereas right now it's largely commercial (and abandoned in huge stretches).

IMO, the true question mark around CC is the failure to fix Snelling/University in a meaningful way. The intersection is a chaotic mess at the best of times, and the city opted against any meaningful fixes... (I was pushing for a plan to build a very extended traffic circle following Sherburne, Fry, Spruce Tree and Asbury that would allow the intersection to be a transit stop and plaza)

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 09:43 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 79

gotta disagree, the huge problem is how the line travels through the university. it's unfortunate an entire stretch of road will be closed off with train impacts to research facilities. it's an understandable cost issue but still unfortunate, imo.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 09:51 AM by tim Highlight this comment 80

I can see what you're saying Rick, i do part agree, since that route does have a 2 frequent bus routes, 16 and 50 and from st. paul you also have the 3, all of which connect the downtowns to the 5th st garage. But i think more people will ride the train then bus, because im not sure what it is, but more people take trains more then buses. I've heard people say "ill take the train not the bus" why? i dunno both are same, maybe cuz it has designated stops, and they dont need to pull the thing when their stop is coming, or you always don't need exact change at train stations. i dunno, but, i think it will still be good.

CJ is right when they say there is plenty of parking off university, and actually even in downtown St. Paul, most meters are only 8am-4:30pm Mon-Sat, so people can always park there and take the train to the game.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 81

I live in Saint Paul and go to stores and restaurants on University all the time and I have never once parked on the street.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 82

I really don't believe that the lack of parking will hurt University Ave. If anything it will help the small stores, look at all the development around Hiawatha since the line went in. If the Central Corridor was going to hurt development it should have been built right down the middle of 94, but it's going to help. The limited number of parking spots are easily overwhelmed by the number of people who take up the same amount of space, so in theory they should see better business.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 83

I'm doing some research on the articulated seats issue. In the meantime, nice job on adding the comment tab bar on the bottom. Noticed you did that a while ago.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 10:46 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 84

qwest better have free wi-fi at the new park so i can watch in-game video highlights on my mobile device...

i too never park along university when i am in the central corridor; there is plenty of parking on the side streets. in my opinion people in the twin cities are too reliant on their automobiles and because of that they are not as open to mass transit. it is interesting when you talk about the topic with people who grew up in cities where transit is used by almost everyone (ny, chicago, portland, etc) as they are more receptive to taking transit all around the cities.

even though this weekend is going to be blazing, i would totally go to a game outside, even with this team. inside with this team? nope.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 85

One of the ground rules for LRT routes is, the bus routes all have to be changed to feed the LRT. This is actually one of the big remaining issues with the Central Corridor plan. There are not enough stations, and there won't be any more buses on University Ave.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 11:04 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 86

A daytime home/Target Field opener? I'm not sure how I feel about that...

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 11:15 AM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 87

TT-

It's pretty common for outdoor ballparks to schedule more day games early in the season. It's pretty simple as to why: it's generally warmer during the day than at night.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 11:28 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 88

annoying, why the hell do you want to watch video highlights on your iPhone, when we'll have a big-ass scoreboard, nine times bigger than the Dome's showing highlights?

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM by luke Highlight this comment 89

relying on the jumbotron (or huge scoreboard for that matter) for replays is dumb because they always show the non-controversial plays.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:05 PM by Boof Highlight this comment 90

DaveT,

IIRC, the 16 will still be running on University, but at a reduced service rate.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM by Pikachu Highlight this comment 91

Boof is right. Replays at the Dome are a joke. They don't show a damn thing on there except for happy, cheery Twins replays or replays that effected the Twins positively. It is really annoying.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 92

Yeah, I understand some more day games, but I personally would like the park to open at night. It just seems more fitting for some reason.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 93

While I think the ballpark will be a fantastic place to watch a night game with the skyline lit up. Some of the big things the Twins have talked about is the blue sky and sunshine. I can think of nothing better then opening Target Field on a sunny afternoon.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 94

The Twins aren't to blame for the bland variety of replays. MLB has a list of rules about what can be shown and not shown. I know for sure controversial calls are not allowed to be shown.
I aslo agree that the first game being a day game just isnt right. TV and radio ratings probably will be much higher if it is a night game, and I think they could play at least one game at night instead of the day.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM by BB Highlight this comment 95

for those of us that follow every game that is going on each day (be it for fantasy purposes or you have more than one favorite team due to moving around the country), it is nice to be able to see what's going on.

plus choosing when you watch a replay of a homer or big play while you were in line getting food or in the restroom is a big plus.

many northern outdoor ballparks will schedule a day game on a monday to open the season with an off-day tuesday; this allows the opener to be made up as soon as possible.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 12:55 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 96

I skipped work (played Hookie) in 1979 for the Twins opener against the Angels, also a Day game. It was 70 degrees and sunny. Almost perfect... the only Bummer was that Rod Carew was now playing for the Angels :( !!

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM by Hans Highlight this comment 97

Two weeks ago I rode my Mountain Bike on the old railroad bridge across the Mississippi river into the U of M campus. Why they can't use that bridge for the Light Rail is mind boggling. It's built for heavy rail, so LR should be no problem. Also,the rail corridor is already there and far enough away from research facilites to remedy that concern. Washington ave would be unaffected.
Must make too much sense to be considered

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM by Hans Highlight this comment 98

Crede and Redmond walk with none out. Punto bunts foul on the third strike. One out walk then to Span. Bases loaded, O-Cab who has been clutch since he got here, grounds into a dp. Ouch, this stuff gets hard to wathch. At least there is still a few more innings to go and Twinks seem like they actually want to win this one.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 2:13 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 99

Rick,

I mostly agree with the others that have said parking really shouldn't be an issue, at least not initially. There is a lot of parking lot space along University and the Met Council is working with businesses to create parking sharing agreements.

Long term, one would hope those lots would become infill development. At that point, there are really only two options for cars. One, park on the side streets. The neighbors won't like it but I'm not terribly sympathetic since they are public roads.

The other option, which I think is much better and is something we could do today, is to convert University Ave. to two lanes + left turn lanes + parking. Several cities have done this (convert a four lane road to two lanes + a turn lane) very successfully. I seem to recall someone actually did traffic studies and demonstrated this kind of plan is viable on University Ave.

This has the added advantage of creating a better pedestrian atmosphere by using the parking lanes as a buffer against the traffic lanes.

Unfortunately, it seems too radical a concept for most people, so we're stuck with four lanes for a while at least.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM by David (aka David) Highlight this comment 100

The Twins are sick of playing and competing this year. This is clear. They cashed it in after the break and are just phoning it in now. Good work guys!

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 101

The infield has really taken shape. :)

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 102

Down the 1st and 3rd base lines into the outfield corners, starting with sections 104 and 124 respectively, the angles are supposed to be good, with additional articulation of the seats within those sections. It looks like first base side in general may be slightly better angled, though not nearly as much of a difference as at the Metrodome. Hopefully starting at 107 and 121, and going towards home plate, angulation isn't as necessary. It does look straighter than I was expecting, though.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM by robin Highlight this comment 103

Day games, night games? When I was a kid I usually attended day games at the Met. To this day, I prefer day games. Maybe because there are fewer. I love the blue sky and a sunsplashed field. My best friend on the other hand prefers night games and states that the flight of the ball at night is cool to watcha against the dark sky. Night baseball is all about the money. I miss World Series day games.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 4:10 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 104

I agree JohnF. I'd like to see more day games myself. The only problem is, day games would create a hell of a traffic nightmare for downtown rushhour traffic. Downtown is bottlenecked enough during those Thursday 12:15 starts at the Dumpty, cause the game gets out about 3:15-3:35, somewhere in there.

One thing is for certain, no more mid-September 11:10 starts to accomodate the Gophers game at 7:00.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM by luke Highlight this comment 105

I believe as Calvin Griffith did that baseball is meant to be played outdoors and in the day so the players can see the ball better(according to Calvin). I would prefer to have as many day games played in the future outside as possible. Just me but I think baseball and any sport is funner to watch when their are no lights on. So I would second what PNB19 said-have a day game as the opener.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 106

Ouch. 2 of 3 lost to the Royals at home. The wheels are officially off and are rolling/floating all the way down to the Gulf.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 107

Calvin liked day games because he didn't have to pay for electricity. :-)

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 8:30 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 108

actually the Pohlads are cheaper than Calvin.....Calvins whole business was the twinks.....the Pohlads just could spend more because they had 100 times more money,,,,,porportionally they is no comparison.

and the new stadium means mucho more ticket price increases and probably a 500 team at best for the next 10 yrs

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 8:43 PM by Bw Highlight this comment 109

Jim - that reminds me of the famous dialogue in Field of Dreams:

Shoeless Joe: "What's with the lights"?
Ray: "All the parks have them now, even Wrigley. The owners thought more people could attend games if they played at night."
Shoeless Joe: "OWNERS!"

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 9:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 110

"One thing is for certain, no more mid-September 11:10 starts to accomodate the Gophers game at 7:00."

When the twins played at The met, they played 11:10 games so they didn't conflict with the Gophers. Don't be surprised if this continues next year.

"the Pohlads just could spend more because they had 100 times more money"

It doesn't matter how much money the Pohlads have, it's how much money the Minnesota Twins Inc. have that determines what and how they spend. For the Pohlad family to shovel money into the twins to sign players and so forth would create tax nightmares for both the team and the family.

Posted on August 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 111

To the Pohlads the Twins are just another investment to milk for all it's worth. To Cal the Twins were his life.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 12:20 AM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 112

Okay, we get it. You love Calvin Griffith. Simmer down.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 01:29 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 113

Went to the Cubs game on Thursday at Wrigley. First time! I told my father-in-law who was with me that, while I like baseball and the Cubs, I was going to be more of a ballpark geek than a baseball geek that day. What a great experience! We were in section 202 in the left field corner. While there are obstructions because of how this old gem of a ballpark was built (the vertical supports for the upper deck, my line of sight was towards the infield, not necessarily at the pitchers mound, and it was a great view. It was fun to experience the seventh inning stretch at Wrigley, because everyone sings, and it is with heart. I rarely sense that at Twins games. I am a Twins fan first, Cubs fan second, but the Cubs provide a great experience.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 08:39 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 114

Looking at webcam 2, seat installation has started in the upper deck down the right field line.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 08:41 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 115

Calvin - a man who moved his baseball team because "there were plenty of white folks in minnesota" (really. he said this)

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 116

I must disagree with you Rick on the Central Corridor. As someone who lives in Saint Paul, I never park on University for any reason ever. There simply is very little reason to do so. From my house, I will be able to hop a 3 bus on a quick 3 minute ride down Rice and board the LRT to Target Field and I can't tell you how happy I am about this. It is true that Central Corridor isn't being built for the same purpose as the Hiawatha Line, just as the Southwest Corridor will not be similar (current plans show park and rides at virtually every stop unlike either Hiawatha or Central). There are many more people much more densely packed in close proximity to Central Line and bus routes will shuttle people from all over that area right to the stops. Otherwise, many people will live within an easy walk or bike ride. Park and Ride lots in the middle of the city frankly aren't common anywhere.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM by JP Berka Highlight this comment 117

what they should do to increase ridership to sporting events is have your gameday ticket be valid fare on a bus/train. this would get more people ride and eliminate the endless line at the ticket machines.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 11:28 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 118

The problem with that though is it increases ridership and cost without the increased revenue charging would bring. I'm ok with Public transportation, but I'm a firm believer that it must be solvent. People in Duluth shouldn't be putting a dime towards light rail here in the city that they will never use.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 12:38 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 119

if you apply that argument to everything, i will want all the tax money that i have paid that benefit minnesota public schools and any other programs that i have never and probably will never use.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 120

We cant fund anything if every taxpayer has access, I not retiring anytime soon so old people can go f#$% themselves. Preschoolers, I love em', but they must be solvent.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM by Brad Highlight this comment 121

Minor quibble, CJ. It wasn't the abundance of whites that allegedly drew Calvin to Minnesota, it was the lack of African-American people. At the same time, I think Calvin was the kind of person who tried to please those he was around, and I don't know if that statement really accurately represented him. I think he gets a bad rap too often.

And anyone looking to kill a half hour, there was a great piece on Calvin a long while back in the Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/198108/baseball

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 122

I pay for lots of roads out there that I've never used.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 123

Just did a walk around tour today, a crane was there right near where the shaking hands sign will go. Perhaps something going in today?

The no photo thing is a real joke as anyone who has gotten to get up close to the place will know that it's much better in person and nothing will be spoiled by some peaks inside. It still has to be "Experienced in person"

Love this site Rick!

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM by MarkW Highlight this comment 124

Lots of people are paying for a stadium they will seldom, if ever, enter. Still more ARE NOT paying for a stadium they will be attending on a regular basis.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 125

Also, the rear of the scoreboard was getting framed up for skinning. Everything was looking great!

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 2:27 PM by MarkW Highlight this comment 126

While watching the PGA Championship today, TNT threw in a few shots of the Target Field Twins logo on the scoreboard. It looked like it was shot for the Walker Art Center. What a Breath of Fresh Air! No more relating Minneapolis with the Metrodome! Target Field is already becoming a Landmark!

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 127

So in response to my earlier topic of the infield corners and how they are cut; it appears from the webcam that the home plate and 2nd base corners are rounded while the 1st and 3rd corners are going to have the angular ( __/ ) type of cutout. Interesting. Its hard to tell but thats what it appears to be. Also, interesting point to add to that, the retro style dirt path from the mound to home that some current stadiums have, doesn't appear to be part of the plans for the TF infield.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 3:02 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 128

I was hoping for a look like the old Met had, the angled walkways to home plate from the dugout. First time at the Met, I noticed those right away as a little kid and thought it looked cool.

Seems as if it would be a nice tribute to the old school Twins fans...

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM by MarkW Highlight this comment 129

MarkW- Good catch, I was going to mention those too but forgot in the previous post. From early morning shadows, it appeared they had the right field line framed out for the warning track dirt and it didn't look like those were included. Doesn't mean that is the case though. Also no sign of dirt on deck circles. Some fields have them and IMO some are rediculously close to the basepaths.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 130

Aww yeah. Courtesy of your Minnesota Twins. Time lapse!

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 5:39 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 131

Also, I sorta take back my "aww yeah". That thing is o-l-d. This is like releasing a B-Sides and live material CD.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 5:41 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 132

WTF? That's over a YEAR old. And LAME. (No offense intended toward The Legacy. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.)

Sorry but I've been busy with work and kids. Lots of comments to catch up on, hopefully tonight.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 5:46 PM by Rick 133

Here's another WTF moment:

Under separate agreements, Qwest will build and maintain a multimedia network in Target Field...equipping the ballpark with advanced data communication and video services that enhance the fan experience and support the Twins front office.

"Our partnership with Qwest positions us to take advantage of advancing technology for years to come," said Dave St. Peter, president, Minnesota Twins. "This technology will help the Twins conduct business efficiently and greatly enhance the fan experience at Target Field."

Qwest is rarely on the cutting edge of technology. They tend to lag behind the rest of the data providers, offering services once they become expectations rather than experimenting and trying to build interest in new features. But they're big and reliable. There's nothing wrong with choosing them as your telecom partner.

Even so, I have no idea from this press release what Qwest might be doing that will interest anybody. Are they going to be installing the office phones? Providing DSL service? Managing the data cable already in place to feed video to the scoreboards? Putting in pay phones for the cell phone challenged? Creating some new and exciting fan interaction point that will blow us away?

Come to think of it, what could they do that would interest any fan? We hear (twice) that it will apparently "enhance the fan experience" but we have no idea how. You would think that if something as simple as wifi were a part of the deal (which is kind of an entry level feature these days) it would have been mentioned.

Maybe they could text me the scoring decisions or home run data or other fun facts. Would this qualify as "cutting edge"?

As for replays, the MLB rules are a total cop out. At the Metrodome the other night we were regularly treated to replays of routine groundouts and not much else. Yawn.

I've said it before: Replay everything, just like on TV. Fans in the park have a right to know if the umps blew a call (or got it right -- which is WAY more common) just as much as the fans at home. In fact, I think that should be the method of replay review. Let everybody see it together and let the umps change calls based on what they see on the big HD board.

My best case would be that I could watch the TV broadcast on my phone inside the park. At this point there are two reasons I might want to do this: First, I probably won't be able to see the big scoreboard from my seats, and second, I want ALL the replays.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM by Rick 134

It would be cool if they had something like the Mariners and Nintendo have in Seattle, with special downloadable software for the Nintendo DS with stats and facts. Much rather have free wi-fi, but maybe something extra like free MLB online audio so you could listen to the game without an AM radio.

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 11:21 PM by James Highlight this comment 135

It'd be pretty cool if the multifoods building spelled out "TC" at night with lit windows. Also I do believe they started installing the wood louvres on the 7th street side. I barely caught a glimpse as I was buzzing by on 94w, I'll have to swing down to the site when I'm in town tomorrow.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 12:52 AM by ManBearPig Highlight this comment 136

well, i see that al gore (a.k.a. MBP) is now visting rick's site. excelsior!!!!!!!

that was a great south park episode.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 01:01 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 137

Tell me if I'm wrong. Doesn't the city of Minneapolis already have free wifi? Are you guys just looking for better connections? Some interactive stuff would be cool.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 01:12 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 138

"Maybe they could text me the scoring decisions or home run data or other fun facts. Would this qualify as "cutting edge"?"

This is a great idea Rick. MLB and the marketing departments at each club fail to appease the stat geeks. Give us interesting ratios as well as the typical stats in the box scores. Your texting idea also has potential to help all fans learn about the history of the game. Teach us about the Twins teams that played at the Met. Embrace the role players from the past. Stuff like that.

The Twins brass should also have the texting feature for safety reasons. If some drunk from Wisconsin is harassing the girl you're trying to hit on, simply text the T.F. security and they'll give him the boot. Just kidding Wisconsin.

Let's all be glad they didn't name our ballpark after a telecommunications conglomerate. Rick is right. The telecoms have been behind the times and are rarely innovative.

Oh well, naming rights come & go. Long live Twins Field.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 01:34 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 139

The first thing I thought of with this Qwest thing was the A's and Cisco Field (the continually delayed ballpark in Freemont/San Jose/etc.), and their partnership/announcement about Cisco's involvement from 3 years ago (click my name). Is that what you were looking for Rick?

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 07:01 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 140

Brandon, the city of Minneapolis WiFi is not free. It's available for residents, but you pay for it. Then you have a user name and password and can access it from anywhere in the city.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 07:52 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 141

Jared- The "batting circles" that are next to the baselines are for coaches hitting grounders before games. They help save the grass. Most fields these days just put down mats for the coaches to stand on.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 08:59 AM by Sec117 Highlight this comment 142

Sec117 is correct. Fenway is a good example of this (click my name and you will see the dirt BP circles, and the on-deck areas are seperate)

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 09:15 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 143

Hmm. Didn't know that. I haven't been to another baseball stadium outside of the dome (sad i know, but i am young and still have time) to see the warm-ups. Makes sense though. I guess i just assumed they were the on-deck circles in theory, just never used. Now i know.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 144

attended a lot of games at the old met as a little kid and was never a big fan of those paths leading to homeplate or the on-deck patches. I don't like the old-time dirt path between the pitchers mound and homeplate that detroit has at their ballpark, either. as much green grass as possible please.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM by tim Highlight this comment 145

What do workers work on Saturdays? Apparently, they do not install seats.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM by mike Highlight this comment 146

Cisco is definitely what I had in mind, because they're similar press release at least contained a few ideas on how you might use the new technologies a little more creatively:

The 34,000-seat Cisco Field will feature a wireless network on which fans can use handheld devices to watch instant replays, order food and beverages, communicate with friends, and keep score. Fans will be able to buy tickets online, receive their ticket as a file on a smartphone to show at the gate, and visit kiosks inside the stadium to upgrade their seats. Stadium employees will use other handheld communicators that use radio-frequency identity (RFID) technology to locate and talk to each other.

Of course, their new ballpark idea has been scrapped. As has the naming deal. And the partnership. And their team -- at least this year...

If Qwest is handling the technology for those ATM-style ticket machines, that would have been a nice thing for the Twins to mention.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM by Rick 147

I should add that I have no interest in keeping score on my phone -- or any electronic device for that matter. Pencil and paper have a tactile quality that I would miss.

But I'd LOVE to use my phone to summon that one hot dog vendor who never seems to come into my section...

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 12:03 PM by Rick 148

The Metrodome looks pretty good in HD. (The pitching looks about the same.)

Here's an "eleven" that surely explains the flag poles:


(The other end of the big curtain contains the World Champ years.)

But wait: Putting up 11 poles makes it look like the team has already conceded 2009...

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM by Rick 149

They'll probably have something special (and separate) for these years:


Posted on August 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM by Rick 150

Drove by TCF today and what's kinda cool is they have listed all the championships, big ten and national, on the ring between levels

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 5:39 PM by Goldie Highlight this comment 151

Yes Rick, the Twins have conceded 2009...At this point I'm ready for Target Field and I'm ready for some football!!! Last night's game was a bore as most pre-season games are. I'll be up there in a few weeks for the first game at TCF. And watching the attached video always gets me ready for football...

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 5:45 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 152

Twins website now has a Target Field Skyline View Time Lapse video up.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 6:56 PM by robin Highlight this comment 153

great vid kev! ahmad rashad with the hail mary catch and the vikings are nfc central division champs! good stuff.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 154

robin - that is nowhere near a "now" video. It's a year old.
The Legacy, who originally brought it to our attention had this to say:

"Also, I sorta take back my "aww yeah". That thing is o-l-d. This is like releasing a B-Sides and live material CD."

Posted on August 14, 2009 at 5:41 PM by The Legacy 132

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 9:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 155

Driving home tonight from an abysmal pitching performance, again (we left in the mid-7th, we couldn't take it any longer), I stole a look at TF from 3rd Ave. I don't drive that way alot, so I havent seen TF from that angle for quite some time.

Although - we would have had a slight rain delay this afternoon if we were at TF...
Twins Magazine this month has an interesting interview with the groundskeeper. The final word "Will the grass be ready for Opening Day?" "One way or another, we'll find a way." Sod installation is 11 days away...

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 9:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 156

Thanks Kevin! I remember that game well...Ahh, the days at the Met! That place still has some magic to it after all these years. TF will be nice but may not have the magic...

Great clip, not just a 30 second blip...

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM by MarkW Highlight this comment 157

Kevin, you're the man. Thanks for linking that video, I've been smiling since I played it. As a seven year old that was the play that hooked me on the Vikings. Now at 36 my part time job remains defending the purple since I moved from MN to WI.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM by Steve stuck in WI Highlight this comment 158

According to Sid's column...DSP claims the Twins will definitely open Target Field with two exhibition games against a National League team on April 2 and 3.

Anyone want to guess who this National League team may be? I would guess its the Dodgers.

Posted on August 15, 2009 at 11:27 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 159

Maybe someone they can beat --- which narrows the list considerably. Sorry, I was at the game today.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 12:08 AM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 160

So, by having "exhibition" games on Apr 2 and 3, basically takes all the fun out of the game on April 11. TF will have already opened. So, it comes to April 11 (or whenever our season opener is), the seats have already been sat in, beer has already been spilled somewhere, and the tickets that will say "Inaugural Game" on them won't be as collectable, because technically it isn't the inaugural game. So, when I go shopping for tickets for next years opener, will I get all the promotional giveaways and all the fanfare at the April 2 game or the April 11 game?

I understand the idea of working out all the kinks BEFORE the season begins. But, have a Bruce Springsteen concert or Barney on Ice...or something. I think the exhibition games are an awful idea.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 11:23 AM by luke Highlight this comment 161

But, isn't it common to have exhibition games at new parks before season opens??? I thought it was....

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 162

yes, it is common. and seriously who cares if your seat has been sat in?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 11:35 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 163

I just think that it's cooler for the first home opener at a new park to be the true home opener. none of this "exhibition" stuff. It ruins the whole thing IMO.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM by luke Highlight this comment 164

I should have known. The actual footage didn't look new. I saw the 8/14 date and thought it was something new.
The exhibition games give a lot of people a chance to have their own version of a home opening at affordable prices. I suspect, like Viking season ticket holders, we may have to buy them as part of the package. At least it's not 20% of the season. A positive is that they can be a good charitable donation item, or go to season ticket partners at a discount, since not all of us can have the real opener. Sort of a consolation prize.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 12:21 PM by robin Highlight this comment 165

I've already sat in half a dozen seats. Didn't spill a beer, but I may have left a few droplets of sweat...

It's a terrible idea to fill your park with 40,000 people paying top dollar before everything has been tested. The exhibition games give everyone a chance to figure out where the light switches are and the hot dog grills. More importantly, it gives a heads up on any unforeseen issues with a few days to regroup and plan contingencies if necessary (things like parking, circulation, supply chains, employee procedures, ticketing issues, etc.).

Exhibition games are not only common, they are essentially mandatory. And they are no more "official" than a spring training game, so they don't count for anything.

Personally, I think it's unlikely I'll be able to acquire or afford tickets for the home opener (let me know if you're selling some!). I'm counting on those exhibition games to get my first look at the completed park (though I have no idea yet just how I'll get tickets).

In a best case scenario, however, they would have a few college games there even before the Twins try any games. The crowds would be smaller and much more forgiving.

Trust me, you'll be happy that opening day isn't the first day of work for all the new employees, and the new systems, and the new, well, everything.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 12:30 PM by Rick 166

Rick, don't worry about finding seats for exhibition games. I think there will be plenty available, for sale from the Twins or from season ticket holders who want to wait for the real thing. Also, if the weather forecast is looking dismal, the supply/demand should be favorable. I think you deserve a ticket or two for running this website. Remind me as it gets closer if you're at all worried about finding tickets.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 12:55 PM by robin Highlight this comment 167

It is ABSOLUTELY a good idea to have exhibition games for the reasons Rick and others have mentioned. NO ONE is going to skip the Twins home opener because "it isn't the real opening day". Every new MLB stadium has done this for years.

As for the NL opponents, I suspect we'll be able to figure them out in September when the schedule is out and we see who's in the area. I would probably rule out the Brewers, just to keep the interleague rivalry intact for the regular season.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 1:21 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 168

I thought it had been speculated at one point on this site that the Phillies would be our exhibition opponent.

As most may recall, the Phillies were an exhibition opponent for the Dome's opening year in 1982(on April 3 incidentally). I suppose it probably would be a good thing...in case there is stuff to work out, they'll have 10 days to fix it before the regular season home opener on April 15...I didn't realize other clubs have done it in the past.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 1:43 PM by luke Highlight this comment 169

In 1982, My brother another friend & I went to the first exibition game at the dome against the Phillies. There was a Blizzard going on outside,Pete Rose got the first unofficial hit in the Dome, and we were dissipointed to say the least at how high the right field stands were, Knowing we would be stuck with this stadium for long time.
We also ran into Calvin Griffith in the concourse. He talked and joked with us which was cool.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM by hans Highlight this comment 170

The speculation before was that the two teams involved would be from the Cubs, Dodgers, or Cardinals. That may have even come from another Sid column - I don't recall the source. Those make more sense than the Phillies if you are picking teams - you want to have teams that will draw folks to the games.

In case people are curious - the exhibition games are not part of the season ticket package, though season ticket holders will be given the opportunity to buy their seats for the games. No word yet if we will have to buy them in strips (e.g. both games or neither) or on an individual basis or if there will be a presale.

I will probably go to the first game, but not the second game (if I have a choice), unless it's the Cubs. However, even if I don't go to the first exhibition, it won't bother me in the least that I didn't go to the "first game at Target Field". Opening Day 2010 is what counts.

I hope the weather is reasonable, otherwise all we'll hear from April 2 to April 12 is how the Twins should've built a roof.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 171

I haven't heard if there will be any exhibition games over at TCF Bank Stadium before the Sept 12 opener. Anybody?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM by Rick 172

Rick, I believe the Gophers are having a maroon vs gold scrimmage next Saturday which is open to season ticket holders. This will hopefully work out any kinks they have a TCF in preparation for sept 12.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 173

Hmm, nothing for us civilians, eh?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM by Rick 174

From the Pioneer Press today:

Recession and alcohol ban crimp revenue from luxury seating at U's new TCF Bank Stadium.

Click my name for a link to the article.

The article also states:

"Locally, the Minnesota Twins seem to be doing a bit better. The team has sold 47 of the 54 suites at Target Field, and the team expects the rest will sell by the time the downtown Minneapolis ballpark opens next year, said Kevin Smith, public affairs director for the baseball team. "

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:37 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 175

Any more info on the Pipe Organ?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM by hans Highlight this comment 176

Sid?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM by hans Highlight this comment 177

Just saw the Marlins info for their new balpark. That (like ours) will be Awesome too.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM by hans Highlight this comment 178

hey is there any chance there there will be another time lapse like they put out last year from the first day of the cam to today? a lot has happened since last year

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 3:31 PM by autosave36 (aka Joe) Highlight this comment 179

The Marlins stadium looks ok. It appears as though they've sort of stolen our trapezoid seating area idea there in the right field power alley. Granted, it isnt as high as ours, but the idea seems to be there.
I don't know, in a way, it looks a little bit (a little bit) like Kauffman Stadium, with a retractable roof.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM by luke Highlight this comment 180

The exhibition games will NOT be the Cubs.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 7:01 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 181

Does anyone know what kind of promotional items they'll be handing out at the last game on 10/4...I know these last games at places they usually hand out commemorative tickets or what not.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 7:09 PM by luke Highlight this comment 182

clublevelfan - why do you say that one of the exhibition games will not be the Cubs?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 183

Luke- The Twins have stated that they will be giving away free Target Field 2010 calendars on Oct. 3rd and 4th. I am not sure what else they will be doing in that regard though.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 9:06 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 184

Calendars?!? D'oh!

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 9:12 PM by Rick 185

The Twins opened the 1982 season at the Metrodome against the Mariners on April 6, 1982. However, they hosted the Phillies for a two game series on April 3 and 4, 1982. So, good or bad, there is a precedent behind the Twins' decision to open Target Field unofficially with a pair of exhibition games.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 10:17 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 186

Wishful thinking, I'm sure.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 187

They are giving out some type of commemorative final game item to all fans on October 4, not sure what exactly it is, but I am sure the Twins will release all of those "ah-ha moments" when they release the final series press release ,which will contain all of that information.

Also, they give out calendars every year for fan appreciation weekend so that is nothing new, even though there might be some "ah-ha moments" on that calendar this year, we just never know with this ballclub anymore.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 11:10 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 188

The Phillies would be great. They're a powerhouse right now, but Charlie Manuel spent a great deal of time in the Twins system. I think he still refers to Kirby as his favorite player ever.

Also, although I could be totally wrong about it, I think the Twins played the Rockies in preseason when Coors first opened. Maybe?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 11:38 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 189

The Yankees played the first two exhibition games at Coors Field in 1995.

The Twins have played at Coors during interleague play (last year), but I don't think they were at Coors in 1995.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 12:39 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 190

I am not going to lie, looking at Webcam 1 today, I am upset that there will not be a dirt path from the pitchers mound to home plate. OH WELL!

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 08:21 AM by JoJo Highlight this comment 191

The more dirt, the more the irrigation system has to be tweaked. At our local ballfield, we had the dirt path, but when running our infield sprinklers the path would always get soaked. We sodded it up a few years ago and haven't looked back.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 08:29 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 192

why do you want the dirt path? i don't like the look.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 08:55 AM by tim Highlight this comment 193

Went to Wrigley on Saturday - always a fun experience.

I'm really excited to see TF come together now!

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 08:55 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 194

Just wanted to add my two cents in on the Exhibition games. THE MORE THE BETTER!! I was a Project Manager for a subcontractor that worked on the Washington Nationals park. Our company is also doing work on TF. I flew out to DC to go to the Exhibition game vs. the Nats and the O's the night before opening night. Pretty much went to represent the company and to do some meet and greets with the General Contractor that we worked with on the project. Also, free trip to DC for some OD baseball was enticing. The whole experience, as far as the game goes, was a complete cluster f--- from the getting to the park on the metro, getting to our seats, getting a hot dog and a beer, etc. etc. Nobody knew what to do as far as employees go for the metro and at the ballpark. I went to order some fries, and the lady told me that they didn't have fries when fries were listed on the menu behind her, just for an example. Trust me, the more exhibition games the better. On the actual opening day/night, everyone wants to have a fun memorable experience, and not leave hating their experience with doubts of going back.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 09:11 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 195

I'm on board with those who don't like the dirt path from the mound to home plate....JUST SAY NO TO DIRT PATHS!!! :)

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:10 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 196

RE: Qwest capabilities at Target Field

Apparently, on the club level, you can text a beer order and have it delivered to your seat. (My friend is getting a full season tix package and that is what they told him when he signed up.)

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:21 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 197

Here's the scoop on some Twins' dirt, click my name. :)

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM by common man Highlight this comment 198

Another vote AGAINST the dirt path to the mound. What, the pitcher doesn't know which direction to throw the ball without it? I just hope Mauer doesn't wear his own path there trying to settle down his pathetic pitching staff next year.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:39 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 199

at first i was agreeing with Luke that exhibition games are stupid, cuz then it wouldn't be the first game played, but after reading everything i think it is good to make everything runs smooth for April 12th

I have no opinion on the dirt path, i mean if kinda looks cool, but like someone said the sprinklers soaking it would look pretty bad

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 200

anyone notice that both the Diamondbacks and Tigers have gotten rid of their dirt paths? (the BOB debuted with one in 98 and Comerica in 99)... there are now NO parks in MLB with it again IIRC. That should serve as a lesson. however, I like the idea of cut out on-deck circles and walkups.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 201

The dirt path is mentioned with great nostalgia in "Lost Ballparks". So I think that sentimentality brought it back and practicality has since killed it.

I say, good riddance.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM by Rick 202

What was the purpose of the dirt path to begin with? So catchers didn't wear out the grass when going to the mound (although as Badjuggler mentioned, might happen with Mauer and this pitching staff)? Even in the old days catchers couldn't have been making that many trips to the mound to warrant a dirt path. Seriously...

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 203

CJ, both stadiums still have the dirt paths to the mound.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM by BB Highlight this comment 204

CJ - I didn't notice that the Dbacks or Tigers had gotten rid of them, because they haven't... At least not as of yesterday's games.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:14 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 205

One thing I forgot to mention is that after Saturday's "game", I walked over to TF above the plaza, and I noticed that there appears to be 3 ticket windows underneath the stairs from the skyway, and also a door from the parking ramp. I know it was mentioned that there is going to be those ticket atm like machines, but they might have been on the other side.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM by BB Highlight this comment 206

Complete random comment: Does anyone think that you are going to be able to enjoy a beer other than Budwieser on the Bud Roof Deck It would be fun to enjoy a couple of innings up there when our pitching is getting shelled with a cold Summit in my hand other than a watered down Bud or Bud light...

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 207

Yeah i hope the park itself has better beer then the regular shitty ballpark beer, i mean miller park does have leinys i cant spell haha

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:26 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 208

Will the new B.Park have strong Beer or the usual Minnesota nice 3.2

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM by hans Highlight this comment 209

I would like to think you could get any In-Bev beer up there, probably not summit, adams though. I really hope they have Adams somewhere.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 210

Schell Pilsner? (it is pretty good)

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM by hans Highlight this comment 211

I took a tour of the anheuser busch brewery before the twins cards game in st louis and was amazed at how many beers are part of that company, becks, stella artois, lowen brau, and about a dozen i've never heard of are all part of the bud family. Even if they stick to a-b products you'll have plenty of selection.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM by jp Highlight this comment 212

I thought they stopped selling 3.2 beer at the Dome. A quick google search was inconclusive. Does anyone know what the truth is?

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 213

I know I might get some flak for this question, but does anyone know what the railing height is at Target Field? There was come talk here about the Twins raising the height from what was originally planned due to safety concerns.

Is there a required height by the MLB? Or, is it up to each team?

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 214

Regarding 3.2 beer - here's a little known fact. Only Minnesota and one other state (Kansas, I think) requires such a concoction, it is far more economical for the beer manufacturers to "mislabel" their regular beer as 3.2 and then pay the requisite fines for the mislabel than it is to actually retool their production facilities to make 3.2 beer for two relatively small states.

When you buy 3.2 beer, you are actually getting strong beer. If you think it tastes different, it's a good example of your mind paying tricks on you because it really is the same.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM by Jeepboy Highlight this comment 215

ONE WEEK until green grass is installed!! I wonder if the stadium lights will be turned on for the first time when they install the sod during the nighttime hours or if they will just use regular construction lighting.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 216

Dale - regarding text orders on the Club level - I don't know when your friend bought his seats, but unless things have changed more in the last month - I doubt this is true.

Until a few months ago, there was no seat-side service planned for the Club level at all. That has been changed to allow drink service, but I suspect the logistical issues with fans texting orders are not worth the hassle.

Perhaps the wait staff will text the orders to the bar, though I would think if they are going to have that kind of system, they would also have the capability for food service.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 1:32 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 217

Jeff, as far as the railing go, I do know that Mortenson had to install temporary rails on top of the permanent rails because the permanent rails are not high enough for OSHA safety regulations. I don't if the permanents need to be changed.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 218

jfh: Thanks for the update. I bet you're and I've been misinformed.

I'll have to break the news to my friends delicately.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM by Dale Highlight this comment 219

I think the dome stopped serving 3.2 a while back. It has been the real deal for a good couple of years at least.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 220

The last word that I have on railings is that the original design called for 28-inch railings, but the Twins and Ballpark Authority decided that was too low after they tried out a mock-up.

They increased the requirement to 34 inches throughout the park.

It is true, however, that there are currently wooden extensions raising the finished railings to the mandated construction heights. I can't remember how much taller that made them, but it was at least another six inches, maybe more.

Railing height decisions are about balancing between safety needs and the sightlines. From the sound of it, the decision to increase was voluntary and not because of some code.

In my personal experience, I did not find the railings in the outfield seating to be any factor in terms of sight lines. I've mentioned before that I had a report from one season ticket holder that there may be issues in the Terrace and View levels of the main grandstand. I have not been able to check this personally, but it makes sense because you have to look down in order to see the field. If this is the case, that premium charge for the first row seating will die a very quick death up there.

I don't know the official railing height in St. Louis, but I know that people have fallen over them. That's not something you want happening in your ballpark no matter what the consequences for sightlines.

One additional thing to note, the railings which are in front of stairways have an extension which raises them a good foot or more. This may be code related, as I remember learning about this in connection with a church renovation I worked on a few years ago.

It's good to know that if you trip down the stairs, you may spill your 3.2 beer (which actually isn't 3.2?? really? I've never heard this before -- what is it with Minnesota and alcohol? are we living in the 1920s?), but you won't end up on the warning track with a broken neck.

In fact, beyond those outfield railings is a row of planters which will contain flowers. They aren't really wide enough to prevent someone from falling over them, but they'll break your fall somewhat. So if you do end up on the warning track, you probably will have bounced once and be covered with dirt and flower petals.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM by Rick 221

the sooj - leinie's beer is over-rated wisconsin piss.

give me a minnesota brewed summit or schell's brew over a wisconsin leinenkugel's anyday.

:-)

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 2:21 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 222

rick - the problem is the minnesota licensed beverage association. they have a strangle-hold over small town, out-state legislators. Many of whom come from towns with city-owned liquor stores (which provides their small cities with a larger tax base). that is their major incentive not to change the laws around allowing sales in convenience stores, grocery stores without a seperate entrance.

also, apparently a lot of small town liquor store owners like having sunday off and don't want to have to be open 7 days a week even though the majortity of the people in the state want to be able to purchase from a MINNESOTA based liquor store 7 days a week. again, stupid.

it is just plain assinine (considering how close the minneapolis/st. paul metro area (3.3 million people) is to the wisconsin border) that we are forced by the minnesota licensed beverage association and their entrenched interests in small town minnesota to HAVE TO GO AND GIVE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY TO WISCONSIN LIQUOR STORES ON A SUNDAY RATHER THAN GIVE IT TO MINNESOTA BASED LIQUOR STORES.

that and they need to just allow the sale of "regular" beer in convenience stores, grocery stores.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 2:30 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 223

Thanks Rick! I am just hoping that the railings are not as big of an issue as people made the ones at Citi Field out to be.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 2:33 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 224

Well, that's just crazy, but I understand more now after reading a little bit over at the Minnesota Licensed Beverage Association web site.

As always, regulating the product turns out to be about protecting territory and not anything more altruistic (or even prudish).

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM by Rick 225

Utah also has 3.2 beer. Alcohol laws out there are even crazier. Great deals on 3.2 at the Salt Lake Bees games. Nice ballpark, too.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 3:13 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 226

The MLBA does not represent municipal liquor stores. Which doesn't take away from your point, just sayin'.

Does the MLBA really object to Sunday sales? I can't imagine why they would.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 3:15 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 227

Betaband is right about the small town having a hold. In my home town (west central MN), my father proposed to open a satellite municipal liquor store in some tenant space he had available in a c-store/deli. It is located in a part of town that is on the way to the lakes area and seeing more residental growth. The city shot him down on the spot. It would have created even more revenue for the city, but since the city didn't own the actual building, they said no. They didn't want to lease from anyone. There are only 2 liquor stores in a city of 15,000. (only 1 up to about 6 years ago). It has been a major complaint from the residents for as long as I can remember. Not to mention that they jack up prices as well. 18 bucks for a 12 back of Heineken!!! I purchase my liquor in the Twin Cities before I head up to the lakes.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 228

@ The Sooj, I'm re-thinking some of my original dismissal of the exhibition games as well. I went to a MN Wild "exhibition" game at the X in 2000, long before the Oct. 11 regular-season opener. It was kinda neat being amongst only the second crowd of 18,000 to see the place, before all the fanfare of the regular opener. It was at the opener that the escalator from the ground level to the upper level broke down for a bit...lol.
If the Twins hold to the April 2 and 3 dates, thats a Friday and Saturday. And if traffic control and patterns pose a problem (and they will), it's much better to figure out how to fix it on a non-rush-hour day than to figure it out during rush-hour.
I'll be online the day tickets go on sale, and I suppose I wouldn't mind an exhibition or the Opener. I just want to be one of the first at TF.
Anybody have ideas about parking? Where some good lots are? I know the ABC ramps are right there, but they'll be loaded with gameday folks. I'd rather park away from TF and take the light rail down.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 229

I take it 3.2 beer applies only to regular, not light beers? Do they decrease the alcohol percentage in light beers as well?

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 230

I've always understood that light beers have no bearing on whether it's 3.2 or not. Light beers refers only reduced calorie beer, not reduced alcohol. 3.2 beer is 3.2 beer, regular or light.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 231

i think i know a lil bit about dome beer.. its the real deal... atleast the draft is...trust me.. the worse the season gets the more we drink

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 232

In a house the minimum railing height requirement is 36"

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM by Designer Guy Highlight this comment 233

In regards to the dirt on the warning track and infield, I think that it should be the same color as the limestone...what do you think?

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM by Tom, OG Highlight this comment 234

I have never in my life, seen such horrible starting pitching. It's predictable. Rangers 7-2 after 2 innings.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 8:08 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 235

limestone colored dirt? Yuk. Way to gimmicy.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 8:39 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 236

John F...I couldn't agree more! the only starter who I would actually put out there by choice is baker, and his first half of the season was terrible! And no to the limestone dirt, that'd be weird.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 237

Has anyone see this before? Aparently SRF did a streetscape design for the ballpark area and won an award. Anyone know if the rest of the plan is posted anywhere?

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 8:57 PM by Andy Highlight this comment 238

Here's another link to some background information at the SRF Consulting site. Not much detail there either.

You know, I don't think the Twins starting pitchers are inherently bad. They seem not to have the seasoning and confidence necessary to get out of the jams they will inevitably get into. Basically, they need a teammate who can loosen them up on the bench between innings. Believe it or not, I think that was the real goal behind getting Livan Hernandez last year. Once the rotation was loose and confident (and he started throwing goose eggs) there was no need to keep him.

This year, no such person on the squad. No offense to Rick Anderson, but it means more coming from a teammate. Pedro Martinez might have been worth a gamble for that reason alone.

One cannot help but wonder what kind of success this rotation could have had with one Johan Santana in their ranks...

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 9:21 PM by Rick 239

Rick,

Did the multiple pages of comments get done in by the server crash of 2009? Is it coming back?

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 9:33 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 240

Nevermind, for some reason I didn't have them but just after posting that they appeared. Gotta love Google Chrome

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 9:34 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 241

hans -

I talked to organist Sue Nelson who said they're taking the same physical organ to Target Field. She didn't say anything about the quality of the organ, just that the sound guy makes it sound great.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:26 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 242

Rick, do you know if the 34 inches of railing is measured from foot level, or from the top of what appears to be a cement-like barrier separating upper level from lower level and dugout box level from the levels above? I don't know if the 34 inches includes the barrier/block or is from the top up. It seems too high if from the top up. Thanks

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:39 PM by robin Highlight this comment 243

Beta-haha i know it, my point was that it wasn't shitty beer like bud or miller, i would totally prefer summit or even grain belt, just using leinie's as a comparison haha

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:43 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 244

Great? Great?!?

The Dome organ is a lotta things, but it ain't "great."

I was really hoping for some pre-game music. Unless being outdoors radically changes the timbre of the instrument they really need to get a proper organ.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:53 PM by David Highlight this comment 245

And another thing. If you need a sound guy, it ain't "great."

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 10:58 PM by David (aka David) Highlight this comment 246

To me, this is REAL baseball organ music and what it should sound like while we sit in our seats at Target Field next year and watch our starting pitchers warm up for their 3-4 inning start.

This is some video during pre-game at Dodger Stadium.

This sounds NOTHING close to the Metrodome, so whether they have an "organ" or not in the Metrodome, I sure hope the fans are treated to REAL organ music at Target Field just like Dodger Stadium.

In my opinion that is one of the most underrated elements of outdoor baseball, is the pre-game and post-game organ music.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:07 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 247

robin,

Can't answer that question. All I got was that the railings are 34 inches tall. That suggests 34 inches from the floor, but I can't confirm that.

Elston,

Good reporting on the organ situation. I've always assumed that it was a midi keyboard and a sound module. If it's a real organ, I'm surprised they'd go to the trouble of moving it.

David,

In the Metrodome, everything sounds sh!tty because of the acoustics. The sound guys there are to be pitied -- and hailed -- for what they have to do with what they have to work with. TF will be a whole different world.

And when Noah and I want to Wednesday's game, we heard lots of pregame organ music throughout the concourses. I've never noticed that before, and it was just great.

Maybe that's a change, or maybe it's just the first time I caught it. Either way it bodes well for what's going to happen at TF.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:13 PM by Rick 248

Anybody on here bought space on the tradition wall? or have any intention on doing so? Chime in...

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:31 PM by BrandonT Highlight this comment 249

couple of notes - i stand corrected on comerica and bob (oops)

MNBev's lobbyist told me their membership want the sundays off, and according to their calculations the number of Minnesotans going to Wisconsin for off sale on Sundays is nominal, most just adjust their buying patterns. It's also a boon to bars and taverns... who have plenty of clout.

As for 3.2 vs. "lite" beer. as was said above, these are not the same thing, and many brewers simply change packaging but put 5% abv beer in the kegs, and wait for the state to fine them (as was said above) lite beer is just reformulated to take the calories out (and the flavor too...)

my gripe with the beer selection is going to be that it's all A-B products... they can't match the quality of the craft brewers at all. Summit is one of the best in terms of "drinkable and approachable"... but you'll be hard pressed to find anything other than AB's Michelob craft beer knock-offs i suspect (none of which are great for their style)

/beer geek

the organ? my guess is, it's fine (the one in the dome) but nothing sounds good on that gawd awful sound system... just a hunch.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:35 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 250

cj - i stopped reading right after the words MN Licensed Beverage Association's "LOBBYIST". i call bull-shit on all their reasons. all those "reasons" that are stated are simply so small town liquor stores can maintain monopolies in their respective towns.

if the majority of minnesotans want to be able to purchase off-sale alcohol on sunday's in convenience stores/grocery stores (and they do) then that is what the legislature needs to give them. the MN Licensed Bev Assoc spends millions of dollars lobbying against this change year-after-year.

i also call major b.s. on "their" calculations of how many people go to wisconsin to purchase off-sale alcohol on sundays. i live in washington county (right on the wisconsin border), i know it is a lot. where are they doing their "doctored" calculations anyways? somwhere in far western minnesota?! don't believe it for a second.

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:47 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 251

BrandonT

Bought one for my grandparents for their 60th wedding anniversary. They were Millers fans before 1960 and were upset when the Giants didn't move here... but became huge Twins fans, and have followed them every game for 50 years

they were pretty thrilled about it

Posted on August 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 252

Tradition Wall - yup. Got both the inscription and the souvenir piece (which looks really sharp).

I just hope it's somewhere I can see it (I'm short). :)

I think the Tradition Wall is so much better than the traditional paver programs.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:52 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 253

CJ - that is AWESOME! Pales in comparasion to my family. Heck, your grandparents have been Twins fans longer than I've been alive!

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:54 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 254

Beta - hve you ever gone on a fly-in fishing trip to Canada? If so, you know that you need to stock up and PLAN for 3, 4 days or maybe even an entire week. Staying home in Minnesota is so much easier. Only one day to worry about! Just make sure that you get to the booze store by 10:00 Saturday night.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 08:38 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 255

Busy day at Target Field: Seat installation continues, Warning Track is being preped and more trees on the plaza.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 08:48 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 256

Yes, Tradition Wall. If this place turns out to be the next Wrigley or Lambeau, or even half that good it will be really cool to show my non-existent yet kids some day.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 08:50 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 257

1. Just looking at the web cam 1 and it is gonna be a tight fit between the batting circle and the warning track for the TWINS logo in the grass.

2. I was talking the the Project Engineer in our office that is running this project for our company and informed me that the Seat Installation is the longest duration on the construction schedule for the entire project. It sure seems like the seats are going in slooooowwwww. I guess they have to be 100% with seat installation by Oct. 31st.

3. Web cam 2 you can see some progress on the underside of the canopy. This seems like it is going slow as well compared to the the first 3/4 of the canopy.

4. Last time I was at the ballpark on a tour, the columns in the main concourse were just concrete with exposed conduit etc. I heard that they were maybe going to put column covers over these or frame them out. Any one heard word on this? You would think that they would frame these out in some sort of way being that they did put a finished ceiling in the main concourse.

just a few comments/questions for the day.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 09:38 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 258

with the slowness on the seats... i'm okay with it, they are seemingly ahead of schedule, and it reminds me of how my grandfathers would approach a job (both were tradesmen) "bid enough time to job the right, and build it like you'll live in it" (or sail in it as the case may be)

as for the canopy, i think rick touched on this before, but they are basically to a place where completing the canopy isn't holding anything else back, so they've moved it back on the construction schedule. I have to say what has maybe impressed me most about this entire project is the almost orchestral conducting of the movements of the various components of the project in such a small space. This may be common on construction sites, but something tells me that there really is something special going on there, even to my untrained eye.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:12 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 259

CJ, I have worked with Mortenson on large projects like this, the last being the Sprint Center in Kansas City. The Lead Superintendent for Mort on this project is very very good. Hard nosed but good. He was also on the Sprint Center. Mortenson is by far the best contractor that I have worked with when it comes to schedule management.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:16 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 260

how can you tell the warning track is being prepped from the webcam?

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:31 AM by Deenels Highlight this comment 261

The warning track goes around the entire ball field. You can see a distinct line that separates where the grass will be installed and were the dirt for the warning track is. Right now they are installing a sub-base for the dirt for the warning track. The warning track is not just in the outfield, it extends around the entire perimeter of the playing field.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 262

They have removed a row of seats in one of the very first sections to be installed far down the first base line in the upper deck. They were there yesterday, not there today.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:39 AM by roadwarrior Highlight this comment 263

Discuss

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:44 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 264

It looks like they're leaving out the few seats above each entrance to the upper deck. Are they going to be different seats, or what's up with that?

(Also, the Marlins stadium just started pouring concrete, so you can get double the ballpark fix. Clicky.)

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:46 AM by Nick in CO Highlight this comment 265

I haven't heard if there will be any exhibition games over at TCF Bank Stadium before the Sept 12 opener. Anybody?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM by Rick 172

Rick, I believe the Gophers are having a maroon vs gold scrimmage next Saturday which is open to season ticket holders. This will hopefully work out any kinks they have a TCF in preparation for sept 12.

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM by kevin in az 173

Hmm, nothing for us civilians, eh?

Posted on August 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM by Rick 174

Hi Rick,

I have been viewing your site for some time now and have really enjoyed it. Great job on designing it. Saw the above post and was wondering if you wanted two tix to the maroon and gold game this Saturday? We are not going to be using them for a practice game and thought someone who was really into stadium design may want to go and check out the new stadium if nothing else. Just a thanks for such a great web site. You can reply here or email me at pfeiffdog1@yahoo.com if interested.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM by Red Highlight this comment 266

Wow! I'm blown away and I'll be in touch by email. Thanks!

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM by Rick 267

all the hard work on the site is paying off rick! who deserves em more?

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 268

The Star Tribune has a poll up asking if it is time to fire Ron Gardenhire. Currently it is leaning far towards No, but honestly I never even considered such a thing. TK retired so it's been a while since we have ever had to ask such a question. What do you all think?

Click the link for the Pool

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 269

*Poll*

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 270

When teams rush to rash decisions you get situations that the Timberwolves are in right now. Fire Gardy and you will have nearly identical franchises. Both teams have/had terrible GM's and good coaches. When Flip got fired I was livid, who would you get to replace him? The Wolves, haven't even been remotely competitive since, and it'll be a few years at least until they get to that point. Getting talent to work with that coach is the problem. You can't expect Gardenhire to get players with no talent to become all-stars.

It would be the biggest mistake the Twins could do is to fire Gardy.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 271

Lots of hustle and bustle out there today. They are madly planting trees and shrubs on the plaza. That will look totally different in the next day or two. Pouring gold cement outside Carew gate. They are running more test trains down the light rail tracks. Saw my first Northstar train last week.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 272

I'm no fan of Gardenhire (can't win big games... ever) but firing him won't fix it. He can't throw the pitches that are being peppered all over the field - leaving our team in 5-7 run holes in the third inning every night.

That said, I think leaving Bill Smith in a dumpster out back of the dome when they move across town would be a step in the right direction.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:16 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 273

Rick,

Yes, I understand the Dome is an impossibility acoustic-wise. But that said, a MIDI keyboard + sound module (especially one from the 80's!) doesn't come close to the sound of a real organ. I just can't stand those awful squeeky notes in the high register at the Dome.

It doesn't even have to be a pipe organ. A nice Hammond would do wonders.

With some of our older churches closing, wouldn't it be nice to save one of those grand old instruments and install it at Target Field? It would probably take a lot of restoration but it would be unique.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM by David (aka David) Highlight this comment 274

David,

Actually, I always thought it was a MIDI keyboard and sound module, but now I think it's actually a real organ -- though I'm not sure what type. In fact, I've even read (though cannot confirm for sure) that it was the original organ from Met Stadium.

Maybe Elston, our organist contact, can get some more clarification/detail about that...

(Here's hoping it's not just a DX7...)

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM by Rick 275

Elston Gunn (post #242). I hope Sue Nelson is wrong. (I wonder why would they take the organ out of the Dome). After all... I got balled out by Sid H. on the(sunday morning CCO radio show) when I told them about the Pipe Organ @ Northrop Aud. (with the remodel they weren't sure if they would keep it There). He said they were getting the P.Organ from the old Mpls. Auditorium. HOPE it's still true!!!!

Mike (post # 247), That Doger Stadium Organ is Awesome. Reminds me of the Met. Also listen to Comerica Park's (det.) & Wrigley Field's Organ. I don't know if they are Pipe O's, but they do sound great. Much better than the Dome's O.

Sorry a little more... The sound system in the Dome is the second one used there. The original one i.m.h.o.. sounded much better than the existing one that's there now. It had much better Bass sound. When this one was installed, It sounded (and still does) like a Transistor Radio

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:43 PM by hans Highlight this comment 276

No way they would ever use the old Minneapolis Auditorium organ. For one thing, it's HUGE. For another, it needs extensive restoration.

Neither would they take the one from Northrop. I know less about that one, but if you know anything about pipe organs, you'd know that they take up a lot of room and require extensive ongoing maintenance.

Where does Sid get this stuff? (Silly question, I know.)

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:54 PM by Rick 277

Now that the Ego has landed... I'm waiting for Rick's next venture www.vikingsstadium2012.com.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 278

I'm not really interested in covering any of the Los Angeles sports venues.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 12:56 PM by Rick 279

Oh Snap!
Rick with a One-Two Punch! ;-)

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 1:08 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 280

Good one Rick, love the blog.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 1:26 PM by autosave36 (aka Joe) Highlight this comment 281

Forget the Dome Dog. How about a foot-wide hot dog?

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 1:51 PM by Rick 282

Ladies and gentleman................We got him!!!!!!!!

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 283

The E-Go has landed!!!!!!

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM by dave Highlight this comment 284

I don't know... Favre as a Viking? Didn't Steve Carlton pitch for the Twins? Didn't Harmon Killebrew chug around the bases in Kansas City for a season? Haven't we learned a thing or two about potentially washed up former superstars?

Could be a stadium-related gambit. Kind of a gimmick. Does it make them a better team, or just a more marketable team? (Maybe it doesn't matter which.)

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM by Rick 285

he FOR SURE has to be better than T-Jack, still not sure about sage though, he seems ok right now.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 286

He's certainly better than anything the Vikings have at QB. The big question is does he have the durability to last long enough to make a big impact on this team. Hope so, but I'm not so sure. All I know is my Packer fan neighbor down the street is having heart palpatations and I'm loving every minute of it!

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 287

haha my cousin is a packer fan too and he is pretty worked up

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 4:06 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 288

whatever happens, it's worth it to cheese off the cheeseheads.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 289

Now the Twins need to pick up Price Fielder to really piss off the 'sconies...

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 290

Just to get back on topic, yesterday while coming into downtown from east on 394, I noticed hat they were installing the louvers on the 7th street side.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 4:24 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 291

The organ at Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City is great. I don't know if it's the instrument or the organist, but it sounds incredible. Whatever they have there, get one for target Field. And throw enough money at the Royals' organist to really make it sing.

As for Favre, here in Winona, about half the folks are Packer fans. They gave up on him two years ago. They got sick of the annual shennanigans about retirement. The Viking fans are the ones who will have to adjust. They've spent the better part of two decades HATING Favre. Now they have to welcome him to their favorite team. Guys at the Dome who were wearing "Green Bay Sucks...Favre Swallows" T-shirts (even on days when the Vikes weren't playing the Packers) won't know what to do. The shirt says something nasty about their team's new quarterback, so do you throw it away? Or do you hang on to it because it says something nasty about Green Bay? What to do, what to do?

The Vikings will still be a one-and-out playoff team even with Favre. The sooner people learn that the Vikes will NEVER reach another Super Bowl, the happier and more contented they will become. That wasted emotion can be directed at better, more important things.

By the way, I've been a Viking season ticket holder for 14 seasons.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 292

I cannot wait til the first weekend of October!

Sat Oct 3 - Gophers beat Bucky at TCF Bank Stadium and bring the axe back to Minnestoa

Sun Oct 4 - Twins final ever game played in the dump Dome

Monday Oct 5 - Brett Favre lights up the Packers and Vikings win on MNF

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 293

Favre (+ a health Berrian) is all the Vikes need to be legit Super Bowl contenders. The Wilfs' chances for a new stadium in Mpls just went up over the 50% mark.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 5:15 PM by Dave T Highlight this comment 294

Mike,

That will be quite a weekend! And, to add to it:

Tues Oct 6 - Wild regular season home opener vs. the Ducks

Just a quick comment about the seat installation - it does seem like it's moving slowly, but the sections they are installing now are by far the most expansive, esp the field box sections. Once they finish the main level seating and go full-bore on the club/upper levels, it will go quickly. They should have no problem meeting the Oct deadline.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 5:26 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 295

Expectorate...I don't think they've solved the seat bracket problem. They apparently ordered the wrong metal, which is why it was put to an absolute stand-still a couple months ago.

Never in my life have I treated a breaking news item with such blatant disregard as "Brett Favre signs with the Vikings." It was an "oh well" moment at best, which will probably pass before Friday's game against the Chiefs. If he doesn't retire before then.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 296

If they haven't solved the seat bracket problem, how are they currently able to install the seats? Just wonderin'.

The Favre signing brings something to the Vikings (and to Twin Cities sports in general) that has been missing: relevance. Love Favre or hate him, good football move or bad, people are talking about the Vikings. Twin Cities major sports teams have been mired in national-media-obscurity for long enough - there was one night when the Twins game highlight wasn't even shown on Baseball Tonight for crying out loud. Bring on the national media circus, bring on the spotlight - we could use it.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 297

I thought it was mostly in the Terrace Level there on the right field side. They installed about five sections early on, and haven't continued since. Obviously they've installed Sec. 301 and 302 (maybe 303, I haven't checked the webcam today). But they started out there in right field, really early, then just stopped. I thought therein lay the problem...hence the seat bracket issue came up.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 6:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 298

I'm trying to figure out if Packer fans are happy or pissed...comments welcomed.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 299

I'm not sure if they're necessarily happy or pissed. Worried might be a good word for it. After all those years of playing the Packers playbook, Favre knows stuff. When we meet them in October on MNF, do you think he wouldn't let the Vikings in on a secret or two about his former club (if he doesn't retire before then)?

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 6:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 300

I've bled Green and Gold my whole life, and lived in Minny my whole life. I will never forget the 16 amazing years, the Super Bowl's, the MVP's and everything he gave to the Packers. But I will never forget this either and would not be surprised if he is enshrined into the NFL hall of fame before he is inducted into the Packer HOF or before his name is allowed to grace the ring of honor inside Lambeau.

I do take solace that for the 18th straight year in a row my Packers have the best QB in the division. Have fun with him, get your tums ready. You're still only a 9 or 10 win team.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 6:45 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 301

Video from "Cool Jobs" on Sue Nelson, with plenty of video showing her playing the Metrodome organ. Click on the link to watch it.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 7:07 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 302

well, i am calling BULLSHIT on winona mike's last post. honestly, based on some of his past posts regarding the vikings it often sounds to me like he is one of those closet sconnie-transplants now living in winona, MINNESOTA.

p.s. i have been to winona many times and my best friend went to college down there and it isn't a half-packer town...it is a VIKINGS town all the way. it is just that all the drunken, cheese smelling sconnies have to come over the mississippi river to minnesota for real work (as usual) everyday, so it just feels that way sometimes in winona.

oh and SKOL VIKINGS!

;-)

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 303

expectorate - i have to disagree. i perceive that the twins and their star players (especially mauer, morneau and nathan) actually get pretty decent coverage on ESPN and on baseball tonight.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 8:12 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 304

The video of Sue Nelson playing the organ at the dome is a better perspective of how the domes acoustics change how that organ sounds. In the video you hear it from her monitor in the booth. It sounds much richer and much more distinct than it does sitting in the stands. I think that organ will be great in Target Field.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 305

I'm beginning to think that Sue Nelson playing second base for the twins isn't such a bad idea... And as long as the Twins have Mauer there is always a reason to watch the Twins.

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM by ManBearPig Highlight this comment 306

Watching her hands, she does move pretty well to her left...

Posted on August 18, 2009 at 10:19 PM by Rick 307

If Favre's arm holds up, maybe he can pitch for the Twins.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 12:28 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 308

New pics Rick...The natives are getting restless!!!!

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 02:07 AM by Max Highlight this comment 309

StarTribune article about Larry DiVito. Some interesting tidbits about the field.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 08:01 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 310

plans have changed for the northstar sked. sounds like it will serve weekend twins games and vikes games. that would be good.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 09:44 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 311

That's good news yeahklye....I was hoping that common sense would prevail in the end.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 312

wow. was in the tornado in south mpls. looked out the window and saw what looked like a huge flock of birds flying by. it was shingles. damage noted to a skyway in our building. trees down. all ok as far as i know...

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 313

Dare I say punishment for the Vikings signing Favre?

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 314

Wowzers. Look back at the 2:45PM image on the 1st web cam... Now that's some rain! There's nothing but grey! Hope everything held up there alright.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 315

Yamaha. That explains it.

So if the organ's 35 years old, where did it come from? Did the team install a new organ at the Met at some point?

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM by David (aka David) Highlight this comment 316

I know this is a site dedicated to the new Twins ballpark so it will probably be biased towards the Twins ballpark, but if you could pick one game to go to, which would it be?

Vikings @ Packers November 1 (Brett Favre's return to Lambeau)
Red Sox @ Twins April 12 (First game at Target Field)

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 3:57 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 317

I pick option #2 every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I think a presence at Ego's return to Lambeau is more important to Packers fans - I'll definitely watch it on TV, but don't need to be an on-site witness.

Looks like DiVito got the first test of his new drainage system today

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 4:04 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 318

Twins game hands down, and I am a huge Vikings fan. it could get pretty ugly in Green Bay for that game, and who knows what Packer fans might do, whether they are drunk or not.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 4:04 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 319

it's no contest: day 1 of tf

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 4:26 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 320

quite a storm today. hope all our twin cities friends are ok.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 4:45 PM by luke Highlight this comment 321

The Twins/Vikings question reminds me of an old (very old) story:

The guy finds a corked bottle washed up while walking the beach. He uncorks it and out pops the proverbial genie. The genie goes through the usual routine about being trapped for thousands of years, happy that the guy came along, etc. and says he is so grateful that he will answer one question. The guy ponders for a minute and says "Well, I've always wondered which rock band is the greatest of all time." The genie sighs and sort of sadly shakes his head saying "Boy, did you ever waste a question - everyone knows it's the Rolling Stones!"

Sorry folks, that's all for today.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 4:48 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 322

"If Favre's arm holds up, maybe he could pitch for the Twins"

I like that, and would add that if Twins are out of the race, maybe Mauer could quarterback for the Vikings.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM by robin Highlight this comment 323

I did a little digging, and it sure looks as though the Metrodome organ is a Yamaha Electone D-65. They sure do look almost identical.

According to the link (and it looks like a fairly legitimate link for info on these kinds of organs), the D-65 was first manufactured in 1980. Is it possible that the organ was purchased for the opening of the Metrodome? After all, that model would have been fairly new at the time, probably for sale at an organ store in the Twin Cities. Maybe the Twins stopped by Schmitt Music in the winter of 1981 and bought one of those D-65s to have a "new organ sound" at the new Metrodome in 1982? Just a theory.

For that matter, does anyone remember what the Met Stadium organ sounded like compared to the Metrodome organ? Was it noticeably different?

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 324

Yes hofflalu...The Met organ sounded very different than the current one at the Dome. I would love to see a Hammond A100 installed at TF. Today's tornado sirens sound better than the $25 casio synthesizer in the Metrodome. For nearly 30 years I hoped and prayed for a tornado to hit the Metrodome...doggonit mother nature, you were a few miles off today!

click my name and skip ahead to :30 on the video...With all due respect to Sue Nelson, she seems like a nice lady, we need an organist like THIS...He reminds me of Ronnie Newman!

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 325

Here's the Hammond in action at the old yankee stadium.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 6:56 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 326

I didn't get any more details about the organ or the move. And I'll admit that I'm not much of a "organist contact" ....anyone is permitted up there at any time! Seriously, next time you're at a Twins game, walk over to the football press box and say you want to greet Sue. She loves visitors.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 7:43 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 327

they started installing seat in right field

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 328

"well, i am calling BULLSHIT on winona mike's last post. honestly, based on some of his past posts regarding the vikings it often sounds to me like he is one of those closet sconnie-transplants now living in winona, MINNESOTA.

p.s. i have been to winona many times and my best friend went to college down there and it isn't a half-packer town...it is a VIKINGS town all the way. it is just that all the drunken, cheese smelling sconnies have to come over the mississippi river to minnesota for real work (as usual) everyday, so it just feels that way sometimes in winona."

Gee, I didn't realize that I was stepping on such sensitive toes here. Betaband has visited Winona several times, so I guess that means he can school a life-long resident on the mood, temperament, and affections of the folks down in these parts.
For starters, my brother - also born and raised in Winona - is a life-long Packer fan. Down here in the early to mid sixties, the only TV station we got was a CBS affiliate in LaCrosse. Therefore, we saw Packers games. Besides that, long before the Vikings even existed, Minnesota was Packer territory as well as Wisconsin. You folks in the Twin Cities were fed a steady diet of Vikings news once they came along, and had a full indoctrination. We had the Packers on Sunday afternoons.
I grew up a Vikings fan once cable came along around 1966 (That's right; little old Winona had cable waaaay back then.), and the Vikes broke my heart when they lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl in January 1970. But I became rather acustomed to them losing those big games, and in 1998 I realized that that powerhouse team didn't take care of Atlanta in the NFC title game because the Vikings will NEVER see another Super Bowl berth. Like the Cubs in baseball, they might field a powerhouse team, but they just can't pull the trigger in the big games.
There are PLENTY of Packers fans around here to remind us of the Vikings SB ineptitude over the years and their failure to return to the big dance.
So you know a couple guys down here who claim it's solid Vikings territorty? Your buddies are talking through their hats.

Stick to subjects you have even a passing knowledge of from now on.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 10:17 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 329

Wow. Winona Mike is definitely no sugar loaf.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 11:13 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 330

Winona Mike- Seems like he has at least a "passing" understanding of the situation. Just not nearly as intimate as yours.

Posted on August 19, 2009 at 11:48 PM by ace Highlight this comment 331

That must have been one hell of a low pressure system that passed through today. The natives are cranky....Even crakier than yours truly.

I think I learned more about Winona in that post than I ever knew about it while living in MN for 50+ years. Winona may have very well been Packers territory before the Vikings, but to classify all of MN as Packer territory is a stretch. Growing up in St. Paul pre-Vikings there were just as many Chicago Bears fans in the Twin Cities as there were Packers fans...But even then pro football was not that important to Twin Cities sports fans, the only football team in town that mattered was the U of M. That all changed 8 years after the Vikings arrived - yes that's right, it took a while for the NFL brand to take off in MN. During the 70s the Vikings became dominant and the Gophers became irrelevant, the climate changed dramatically.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 12:16 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 332

Winona Mike - we need to get together some night for a brew at Betty Jo's or Jefferson's to discuss this stuff

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 12:38 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 333

The "T" on the Twins sign wasn't lighting up properly tonight -- i.e. a portion of it was unlit. Storm/tornado damage?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 12:39 AM by msp Highlight this comment 334

On a side note, will the link to Remembering Met Stadium work again? I haven't seen it in quite awhile and it still has it's place.

Thanks Rick,

Mark

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 01:55 AM by markw Highlight this comment 335

kev in az - as i am sure you understand many packer fans (closeted or otherwise) like to think to themselves that everyone is somehow a packer fan deep down. i mean they come from this cute, little, drunken, smelly n.e. wisconsin town and their state-run ownership structure is illegally allowed (in my view) to soley exist in the nfl separate from all other franchises. oh and they do the lambeau leap too. it is so cool. i mean how can one not love the gay bay packers and their often obnoxious fan base?!

also, i love the over-the-top, warped reference as minnesota being packer territory before the vikings came along?!? please! get real!

as you stated MN was pure University of Minnesota Golden Gopher country (and in some areas it still is that way) through and through. i guess 6 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS in just 26 short years does that to a state/region. minnesota was not even much of an nfl leaning state. most nfl fans in minnesota prior to the vikings were expatriates from chicago or wisconsin that had either moved to minneapolis or elsewhere in the state. perhaps a very small minority at the time (prior to the vikings arrival) lived in rural minnesota near the wisconsin border. shoot, i would have even still called it minneapolis red jackets (an “original” nfl team around for about 10 years who entered the league at basically the same time as the bears & packers) territory at the time before i would ever try and call MN packer territory at the time with a straight-face.

winona mike - please regale me next on how it was for you and your packer back brother during the great depression and WWII. i can't wait. just kidding! no offense, but your nfl world view appears to have been stuck on pause since at least the j.f.k. administration. honestly, you sound a bit like a classic "front-runner" with no real allegiance anywhere.

that and i love how you and the packer backer brother's viewpoint automatically applies to the entire city of winona when it comes to the nfl and that my friends who are also from winona somehow don't know shit about winona, but of course only you and your packer backer brother do. that sounds about right in terms of how many people at your age (sounds like you are around my father's age – he was born in 1950) seem to generally perceive things in life.....damn it you know-nothing 30 something youngsters....everything i THINK is right.....and everything you KNOW is wrong.

also, who said anything at all about "little old winona" as you put it? no one made any disparaging remarks about winona. you can quit with the small town inferiority complex slant.

but, like you said…..maybe i should just stick to subjects i have even a passing knowledge of from now on.......righhhhhht

i am done. rant over. hugs and kisses all around. back to the twins and the twins stadium.

p.s. oh and to answer the other mike's (strangely another packer fan named mike) question about which game one would pick if given the choice.....i will take my own option #3......the gophers vs. becky badger at the new brickhouse on october 3rd. first big ten game in the new stadium. i will actually be there. i will take twins vs. red sox second. third would be vikings vs. packers at the metrodome (have no interest in visiting lambeau again).

ahhh....that was fun. let's do it again sometime!

;-)

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 05:53 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 336

um...wow.

Grass rolls out next week?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 337

Has anyone noticed there is text for a construction photo gallery on the twins TF website that I assume is a link, but isn't. I don't think it was there before (from what I remember) so it seems as if its a new one, minus the link to the gallery. Is it that way for everyone else?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 338

Also that in the second level right field sections that were the first sections of seats installed, a section of seats has been removed.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 10:39 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 339

Jared-- I see the same thing you see regarding the "dead link"

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM by Deenels Highlight this comment 340

RE: The "T" on the Twins sign wasn't lighting up properly tonight -- i.e. a portion of it was unlit. Storm/tornado damage?

Maybe this was the storm's hint for the Twins to test the flashing "Twins - win" sign. :)

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM by common man Highlight this comment 341

Why did the remove those seats?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 11:17 AM by Michael Highlight this comment 342

Does anyone know why beta can't control his napoleon complex?

I'm not a doctor, but I could suggest some medications.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 343

Jared- i also saw that dead link! it's the 20th, that says 8/10, they had 10 days to fix it and they didn't?!

maybe those seats were recalled haha

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 344

Does anyone know the estimated date for completion installing the seats?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM by Michael Highlight this comment 345

Question for anyone who knows -
In center field, will the sign be "TARGET FIELD" or "Minnesota Twins Ballpark?" I've seen images of both...

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 12:10 PM by Julie Highlight this comment 346

"Question for anyone who knows -
In center field, will the sign be "TARGET FIELD" or "Minnesota Twins Ballpark?" I've seen images of both..."

That woud depend on which one puts the most money into the Twins' coffers.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 12:49 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 347

Julie, I would think it would say Target Field. The images you've see where it says Minnesota Twins Ballpark were made before naming rights were awarded to Target.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 1:06 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 348

Does anyone know when will they install the "wind veil" against the parking ramp wall facing the plaza?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM by Andy T Highlight this comment 349

Does anyone know the distance to the sun divided by the hypotenuse given the triangulation of the three points created by mars, venus and earth on the winter solstice multiplied by 3.1459?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 1:48 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 350

LOL!

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 1:56 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 351

moda253- I believe it is 42.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 2:04 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 352

Mr. Spock would say, 42.675

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 2:13 PM by hans Highlight this comment 353

Can't compute, Capt'n Kirk. Only a right triangle has a hypotenuse - the triangle created by Mars, Venus and Earth is not a right triangle. :-)

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 2:28 PM by Jeepboy Highlight this comment 354

I cahn't change the laws of physics capt'n

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM by hans Highlight this comment 355

Sorry couldn't resist...

On a more related B.Park topic, must be a little tough installing seats today. But I can see they are still making progress.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM by hans Highlight this comment 356

A more relevant and interesting calculation would be trying to figure out the distance needed to hit a home run into the plaza (no doubt with the HR derby this would happen frequently). Over the gates on the fly. If you knew the height of the gates you could do a rough calculation for a homer that would hit inside the gates and bounce over into the plaza. You could potentially go so far as to see how far down the plaza it could go if it followed the path down past the Target Center. I was thinking about this not too long ago and roughly estimated 39 feet from field level to plaza level and read somewhere they said it was 33 or so. Then you could ask, could there be a trajectory where the ball end up on the road below the plaza? Could the road be hit on the fly and what are the odds and with what velocity would the ball need to break a car windshield on the road? So many questions.

I am going to say about 440 feet minimum to fly the gates into the plaza. 418 feet to bounce over. I am not sure if the plaza has a grade down to Target Center but if it does i think it could make it (rolling) and no trajectory could get the ball to the road.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 357

If someone could hit a blast like Reggie Jackson did at the Met in 1969 (it was still going up when it hit the top of the scoreboard) I have no doubt it could end up on 394.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 3:01 PM by hans Highlight this comment 358

Hans- true, he hit it a long ways. However the plaza doesn't extend more too far into fair territory (on a line extended out of the stadium). So in order to make it onto 394 and remain fair with that type of hit, the ball would have to travel almost 3/4 of the way down the plaza and fall through a slim hole. Possible because the 530+ footer he hit i would think (based off rough eyeballing of the plaza) could have the distance as long as its dead straight down the line (which if you turn on it that much isnt likely but could fit in with what i describe next). However to have a very clear shot, it would have to go over the foul pole and have enough bend in its path, turning it around the pole and into the hole over 394. The more turn the ball has the more distance (potentially, depending on conditions) the ball can lose. It appears the Metropolitan club sticks out enough to be in the way as well. With that, i think the ball loses too much to have a decent shot at 394. I am not saying no chance at all, theres a definite possibility, just slim IMO. Someone would have to do some math to see until we can get the longballers in there to try it.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 359

What if it takes a sharp right off some poor shlubs head while he's gawking in the plaza? Then I think it has a chance.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 360

I think it's a safe bet that it will happen some day. People hit birds, how much harder could this be?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 4:01 PM by Nick in CO Highlight this comment 361

WHAT IF Crunch (the Twolves mascot) was doing one of his ridiculous trampoline routines on the plaza (since it IS close to Target center) and the ball hit THAT and bounced onto 394? Eh, eh???

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 4:43 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 362

Jared, It would be a very slim chance at best. They probably designed the Metropolitan club with that in mind. But it would be pretty cool to see it happen (hopefully w/o the poor shlubs head that chad mentioned)

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 4:51 PM by hans Highlight this comment 363

The plaza looks like it has come along way this week with the landscaping(anyone have updated photos). I wonder if they will lay sod 24 hours a day with the stadium lights on that would be awesome or if they will wait and having a lighting ceremony like TCF stadium. Lots of progress on seat installation this week.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 5:12 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 364

A good reference for the "home run derby" ball on the plaza is the 2007 Derby. Everyone thought tons of balls would be hit out into McCovey Cove in SF, but it turned out only 2 were hit there... A lot of derby balls are hit to left center and right center, avoiding the foul poles.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 5:13 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 365

Darn it

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM by hans Highlight this comment 366

WTF!!!!!!! has happend on this blog????? shit its like a male version of the "view"....

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 6:06 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 367

someone need's to post some fresh target field pics pronto! please?

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 6:38 PM by DUBAY"S CRACKPIPE Highlight this comment 368

Mazaratirick... rack him.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 6:43 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 369

I have a new recipe for... What a minute! I've got new Target Field photos -- and time to post them later tonight!!

(And tickets to the scrimmage over at TCF Bank Stadium on Saturday thanks to Red! Woo hoo! More pictures!)

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM by Rick 370

It's 515 feet to the nearest portion of the freeway in foul territory, and the ball would have to navigate either over or around the corner of the Metropolitan Club to reach that spot. Not impossible. Highly unlikely.

Straight down the right field line it is 586 feet to the freeway. There are trees there, you know.

Anything off the foul line would have to travel 737 feet and clear that skyway before getting onto a city street. Good luck with that.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 7:26 PM by Rick 371

I just remembered that there is a gap between the north edge of the plaza and the B ramp. Here's the most recent picture I could find in my collection:

The opening is at most a couple of feet wide, but directly below is the freeway (unless something has changed -- I'll have to check that).

The closest edge of the opening is about 415 feet from the plate, though the ball would have to clear those stairs and the roof they're planning to put over them. It's threading a needle, but weirder things have happened.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 7:38 PM by Rick 372

you'd have to think they're going to put some sort of netting over that

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 373

I'll be in Kansas City Saturday to take in the 6:10 game between the Royals and Twins at Kaufmann Stadium. If any of you are going and looking for something to do after the game, my band The Magnolias are playing at a club called Davey's Uptown around midnight. If you go, make sure to say hello !! Hope to see you there !!

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 374

Lafferty, you need to resurrect the Target Field thread at the baseball fever page because your good at that...

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 9:30 PM by Favrah Highlight this comment 375

If balls have been hit through the holes in the roof of the dome. I would think it'll happen at least once in the lifespan of TF. I think a hooking ball could deffinently hit the wind veil and follow it down through the gap.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 10:08 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 376

Don't you think they would put some sort of netting, or something, in the gap to stop things from being thrown over the edge of the Plaza? I can imagine someone deciding to be cute and throw something down onto a passing car.

Posted on August 20, 2009 at 10:42 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 377

Hmm what about someone throwing something on to the field from the top of the parking ramp or something down onto the road below from the seats next to the ramp. I could see some drunk foolish person doing something like that.

Posted on August 21, 2009 at 03:20 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 378


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This is the LRT path looking from the ballpark site (behind me) toward downtown. The line currently ends about two blocks up this street. This bridge over I-394 is also being partially rebuilt as part of the ballpark project.












Roll-up metal doors visible at right.






This would be a beautiful streetscape if there were ANY people.






2007, Noah's first game (Torii's last)






This design has a rather generic quality to it, but they appear to have considered the B garage. Though it isn't part of the model, they've clearly left room for it.



Bag checking at Ball Park Lanes was incredibly simple, as was the pick up later. The line was short and fast-moving.



Did I mention that the cheerleaders looked pretty sharp?









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Looking across the top of the B parking ramp. Notice that signage will block any attempts at seeing the game from up there. Also take note of the glassed in area which is part club and part office space for the Ballpark Authority.



Though there's nothing there now, you have to believe they'll find a way to add a party deck up there at some point.



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Impractical, expensive, undeniably cool (Angel Stadium, source LP)






Despite what those signs say, every one of these places was selling either snacks or Yankee memorabilia out of its front door. Do you suppose anything like this will spring up anywhere near the new Twins ballpark?



Work on one of the side panels



The top of a warehouse visible beyond a parking ramp.









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Not from Moose's tour, but it's an image you need to see. (Click to enlarge greatly.)









Glove from above









Loading docks to the right, VIP entrances to the left.



This gate opens onto Seventh Street from the circulation ramps, but it appears to actually be an entrance gate, rather than an exit gate. It has something of a Bat Cave feel about it because it's not a gate proper, but an area of louvers that will swing in, virtually disappearing when closed...



Flag poles, fencing, main entrance gates






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