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October 11, 2009 10:22 AM

Last Sunday was supposed to be the last Sunday, but the team (and the Dome) would not hear of it. All the countdowns of great Metrodome moments were rendered moot by what happened -- and what was about to happen.


Go get 'em, boys!

Would Tuesday's tie-breaker make the list of top 100 Dome moments? Obviously.

Top ten? Probably.

Top five? You could argue that.

I've heard it suggested as perhaps as high as number two! We'll have to let a little time pass before making that determination. (As if anybody's going to be thinking about great Dome moments for very much longer...)

What happened in the Bronx on Friday night has cooled some of the fervor, but this is baseball. You can't just run out the clock. That's why it's a great game.

And don't worry about Joe Nathan. Even the best closers blow saves. A-Rod wasn't going to chase anything. Joe had no choice but to issue the Challenge. A millimeter here or there is all that separates a homer from a long fly ball. I don't have to tell you that.

I also don't have to tell you that the umpiring, from balls-and-strikes to watching the left field line, stunk. It hurt everybody, but seemed to bite the Twins more often and, finally, with much sharper teeth. Do the Twins win that game if the ump doesn't blow that call? Yes, I think they do.

We argued about instant replay for a while after that, but my buddy said it best: "Screw instant replay. The umps have to make the right call." Amen, brother.


And the Twins will be the first to admit that they also win that game if they get a few more of those stranded baserunners in to score. It was a game in which the opposing team got all the breaks. It happens.

I used a part of this quote the other day, but the whole thing (with some minor modification) seems somehow more appropriate to today:

KING GARDY (before the game):
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the Dome up with our roster spent.
In golf there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of baseball blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;

See you tonight at the game. Look for me in the Golden Seat! (Way to go, clublevelfan!)


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Oh my god! that umpire was total crap! (but we've been over this before)

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM by Deenels Highlight this comment 1

For those interested there are lower club level seats available, and maybe more for the series now.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:25 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 2

Twins are now selling very good seats on a single game basis. There are zillions of tix available on Stub Hub, eBay, and Craig's - and it's getting pretty close to first pitch. Have the bandwaggoners given up already?

And here I sit with a sick wife. :-(

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 3

I blew my wad last weekend - I'm sure I'm not the only one! All I can afford is a bag of Tostitos and a jar of queso in front of the tv. GO TWINS!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 5:15 PM by jax Highlight this comment 4

dumb question and bad timing to ask it, but if Rick or someone has any insight into the public/private ownership stakes in Target Field, I would like to know more. For example, are the Twins owners of the ballpark, and how is related parking spaces etc, shared in terms of responsibility and rights? thanks

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM by robin Highlight this comment 5

Thanks for calling, but Rick is at the Dome watching the big game (and sear=ching for a soda vendor).

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Posted on October 11, 2009 at 7:02 PM by Rick 6

Click my name for an unusual auction item I saw listed on eBay.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM by luke Highlight this comment 7


Target Field is owned by the Minnesota Ballpark Authority, which is a public entity. The Twins keep all the revenues, pay rent to the Ballpark Authority, and pay for operations and maintenance.

The ballpark property includes the south parking lot. The parking lot on the north side is privately owned by Hines (a developer).

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 8

At a boy KKKKKKKKubel!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:15 PM by LogJammer Highlight this comment 9

Maybe they will fire Gardy after the game. Now that he has lost 9 post-season games in a row.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:30 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 10

Does anyone think we'll beat the Spankees next year?

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:33 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 11

Nice frikin job, punto.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM by robback Highlight this comment 12

It should be an interesting off-season firedog...we shall see.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 13

Twins outhit the Yankees every game in the series and get swept. Go Angels! Maybe Torii can win a championship.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:58 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 14

Punto's an idiot. That was little league base running

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:59 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 15

Get rid of Gardy and take sorry ass Nathan with you.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:14 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 16

Punto, Mijares, Crain all need to be gone. The only way I want to see them at TF next year is wearing the other team's jersey.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:21 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 17

Make that KKKKKKKKKubel.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:29 PM by LogJammer Highlight this comment 18

Wow. What an embarrassing fizzle of a postseason effort. So many candidates for LVP (Least Valuable Player): Nathan, Kubel, Cuddyer, Gomez, Punto... I can't decide!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:38 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 19


Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM by BULLDOG Highlight this comment 20

Goodbye metrodome. We had some good times.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 21

Nine Post Season Losses in a Row. We Gotta Fix That.


See You at Target Field in Spring.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 22

my heart aches....

I hope the Angels kill the Yankees, and take the World Series..

Win one for Adenhart Torii!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:49 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 23

We score first in every game against the Spankees this year and lost every game 0-10 against them.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:49 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 24

The Metrodome finally bows out.
Thank God.
Although billymays had it right - there were some good memories. It's going to be very nice to see totally different scenery live and on TV next year at the Twins games.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 9:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 25

This little tidbit from the New York Times:
"The Twins have 41 miles of cable underneath the field to ensure that the temperature will never drop below 40 degrees. St. Peter said the Twins monitored the weather conditions for their homes games this season and would have had three rain delays and no postponements if they had played outdoors."
Click my name for the whole article.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM by luke Highlight this comment 26

Well, I pulled out my old '87 homer hanky tonight, but to no avail. This one's for you Humpty Dome....

By chance, was that Rick who ran onto the field in the 9th? I guess we'll know for sure if we don't see a new post in the next 48-72 hours?

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM by Nodak (aka Nodak "Rube") Highlight this comment 27

For Sale: Individual world series tickets for Games 1,2,3,4. Section 225 Row 11.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 28

well it was a great season! Looking forward to target field, and hope bill smith makes some good moves and the Pohlads' open their checkbooks. countdown to April 2nd and 3rd and then April 12th begins now.

GO ANGELS and here in MN GO WILD

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 29

It's Wild season now (do we even have a basketball team?). Hopefully they can get Richards system going and surprise some people.

I really wish the Twins had an owner like Leopold. He wants to win every day and has the guts to make some calls himself. I was so happy when he pulled the trigger on DR and got rid of the complacency that has stricken Minnesota sports for so many years. I still think Jacques is one of the finer coaches in the league but DR was a monkey with his head up his ass.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:35 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 30

yes sir officially wild season, i have changed my license plate border from twins to wild! But not the start i was expecting! 1-3, is not a great start, but i got high hopes for Richards on the coaching helm

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:42 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 31

After thinking about my post and comparing it with things I've said before I'm going to defend my statements before I get jumped on....

I think there is a time and a place for every type of GM or coach, I'm going to focus on GM's because I think its the problem the Twins have and the Wild had. Terry Ryan was the perfect GM for the twins of the early 00's he had the guts several years prior to stand up and clear house, make room for the young talent we had coming up. We're still seeing the fruits of that right now. But now that we have a strong foundation of being a successful team (yes, no matter how bitter you feel right now the Twins have been pretty successful). But now the Pohlads need to take the money saved, put a GM in there that can get the big name players, not alienate their agents. Billy, you have your chance now to be that guy. Get the players before Mauer and Morneau run. More acquisitions like Crede and Carbrerra are what we need. So we need a left fielder, and some pitchers, the market is thick this year. Go get it!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 32

Is anyone else sick of that big fat irishman who sings GBA at yankee stadium?

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:56 PM by Paul Highlight this comment 33

I thought this sight was for true Twins fans The fans that stick by their team no matter what the outcome was. Look what this team did!! A month ago no one gave them a chance. They did something that was pretty special to me and my kids. Try telling that to my kids that the Twins suck, when they went to bed with tears in their eyes!! Go kick your dog or cat!! If you want to bitch about it, go to another sight. Are you a true Twins fan!!! or a bandwagon rider!!! If you want jump off go to Cleveland, Chicago, or KC they would love to be in our situation!!!!
I thought it was touching to see Joe Nathan scoping up the dirt from the mound!!!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:57 PM by dave Highlight this comment 34

Gaetti was right.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:07 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 35

David, thanks for the summary; Rick et al I wasn't really expecting a note during the game; just wanted to get it out there for later comment; daughter is writing a paper on Target Field controversy and wanted to make sure the basic facts were right on public/private status.
Quite a final season for the old "ballpark".

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:14 PM by robin Highlight this comment 36

Nodak, I'm NOT a drunken idiot determined to kill a potential Twins rally in progress. Also, I generally try to avoid doing anything that will embarrass Minnesota baseball fans any further.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:23 PM by Rick 37

That guy did do a pretty impressive job getting all the way to center and nearly over the fence. I thought he was going to go at Rivera for a second, also supprised he didn't hurt himself on that jump above home.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:28 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 38

Dave I agree with you and disagree with you. I agree that what the twins did at the end of this season i special, and what they gave us is better than if they had just gave up and not made a run for it. However, simply getting to the playoffs is not enough anymore. How many times do we have to win the division before not winning a world series overshadows winning the division? We had so many opportunities in this series (not to mention the regular season games) to put the yankees away, and we could not do it. It's been said before, but being the "aww shucks" team just isn't enough. Punto in his post game interview said that "the fans deserved more" and he's god damned right we deserve more than stranded runners, poor pitching from our bullpen, and poor base running. I'm gonna end my eleven beer deep rant with this, you should never, NEVER, kick your dog. Bad form david, bad form.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:30 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 39

wild season now? no way! it is now 100% gophers and vikings football season. once the college and pro football seasons are officially over then i will maybe watch some pro hockey. the nhl has become pretty lame over the last few seasons as have the wild. i watch the timberwolves before i watch the wild/nhl. the wild are just as bad a post season team as the twins have been this decade. however, i will give them credit for finally getting rid of that idiot doug risebrough

p.s. time to clean some serious house and make some big time free agent moves this off-season billy smith or you might be on your way out of minneapolis as well.

p.p.s. if not, who wants to buy my twins season tickets for target field next year?! third baseline, 5 rows up from the field, just past the visitor's dugout. let me know! ;-)

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 40

Rick, just being facetious. Hope you know that.

You da Man!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM by Nodak (aka Nodak "Rube") Highlight this comment 41

Did anyone stay after the game to see them dig out home plate and the pitcher's rubber? I left as soon as the game ended and heard on the radio they had dug out home plate and the pitcher's rubber.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 42

Yep, I saw it, and got some video of the home plate part as it was shown on the big board.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:55 PM by Rick 43

They going to be putting the old home plate and pitching rubber in the new place. I thought I heard the announcers mention something about that.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 02:08 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 44

If we're going to talk about wishing the Twins had a different owner, why bring up the Wild's owner Leopold? If you're going to bring up a name it should be Vike's owner Mr. Wilf. This man has opened his checkbook to make the team better in any way. He wants to win and will do whatever it takes to win. I've still yet to see anything from the Wild's owner that impresses me; even though I'm a huge Wild fan.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 06:53 AM by MB Highlight this comment 45

Whatever happened to using the homeplate that the stadium bill was signed on to use at the new stadium? They said they were going to use the homeplate that Pawlenty signed the bill on.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 06:54 AM by MB Highlight this comment 46

McEvers - are you referring to Gaetti's quote about the Cleveland debacle in '84 where he said "It's hard to throw when both hands are around your neck" ? Ah memories. lol


Posted on October 12, 2009 at 07:22 AM by jax Highlight this comment 47


The home plate that Pawlenty signed was not an official one, just a facsimile. I don't know what happened to it, but it could never be used in a professional facility:

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 08:01 AM by Rick 48

I thoroughly enjoyed the season. While there were frustrations throughout and a major disappointment at the end I will definitely look back on this year with fond memories. Especially the final stretch. Here's a quote from Rogers Hornsby that I think is fitting, especially with Target Field opening next spring.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 08:10 AM by crtwinsfan Highlight this comment 49

Didn't see home plate/pitching rubber removal but here is a picture of it on ESPN.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 09:25 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 50

that seat has no value to me per it was never installed and used @ TF

Nathan looked no better than matty g for the last 4 months and that hurt us.. pto might have fucked up this game but you know what ? he was our best offesive player of the alds.. and al least he was on base to make that mistake.. this is coming from a life long punto hater... delmon, kuble and gomez hurt us sooo bad... delmon needs to go ... he just plain sucks he had a hot 2 weeks last year and a hot 2 weeks this year 4 weeks of good baseball out of 2 season is no good...

gomez... wow just cut the ties and deal with the aftermath of the santana trade.... then lets move on ...waive him or trade him for ANYTHING.

as for a owner that is committed to winning and will pay for it how about glen taylor... he was basiclly the steinbrenner of basketball just a few years ago he was the only team in the nba paying the luxury tax... it just did not work out like the yanks did not for the last 7 years but it looks like that will change this year in the bronx...sure taylors team sucks bad right now but that is partly cuz he did everything in his power to give them a chance at a title including breaking the rules with the joe smith deal... he is not a cheap man....

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 09:47 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 51


The difference between Glen Taylor and Steinbrenner is that Taylor is a moron. They both like writing checks, however Steinbrenner won't keep a complete idiot of a GM employed for YEARS like Taylor did with McHale.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:03 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 52

Does anyone else think another outfielder like Span or Gomez (Puckett definitely) would have been able to steal the HR away from Posada, which Young missed? It landed right on the wall and then bounced. Young was only inches from catching it.

Twins missed on many opportunities over the course of the series. While the commentators were pretty bad, they were right when they said the Twins have to work so hard for their runs, but for the Yankees, it was a couple swings for HRs and they had 2 runs.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 53

Is anyone going to be able to get some pictures of TF covered in snow?

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:35 AM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 54

This weekend, while yelling at the TV, I kept having to remind myself what I had been saying in September: If we even win the division, I'll be satisfied. (a horrible attitude to have in pro sports, but come on)

The way our pitchers/players dropped like flies this season, I didn't expect us to do much. Despite the errors, poor judgment and officiating calls that plagued us, it was still a lot of fun to watch.
Max has already given us his insight on players to keep/drop. What do other people think?

What will happen with Cabrera?

I think the Twins all need to see a psychologist about this inferiority complex that emerges when playing the Yankees. "It's my nerves, sir."

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM by Orlando Joe Highlight this comment 55

That seat isn't even the final design that they are installing at Target Field.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:43 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 56

if we won last night we would be playing today, and how cool would it be to be playing outside at TF today, personally I think it would be sweet, a definite homefield advantage. I wonder if they would call the game, b/c the snow on the field would be melted, so they'd be playing in falling snow but probably not a lot of standing snow, man I think that's cool

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:45 AM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 57

Wonder what the Twins are going to do with all those banners and things from the Dome? It would be cool to have some kind of souvenir type of thing where fans can grab their little piece of the Dome...

I was lucky enough to get a Met Center sign from the parking lot...

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:53 AM by MarkW Highlight this comment 58

Orlando Joe, I sure hope they keep O-Cab. He seems to be a leader in the clubhouse and he is a pretty good infielder.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 59

It was hard to see the season end that way, with so many missed opportunities. My take is, the Twins needed a day off after game 163. Major League Baseball should have forced the Yankees to start the ALCS on Thursday. We weren't ready for game 1.
O-Cab played with a lot of heart, but he doesn't have the range or the arm to play shortstop any more. I hope we can do better.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 60

Thanks Rick, I wasn't aware that it wasn't a real homeplate. I must of got mixed up when I was watching the game when he signed the bill on it.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM by MB Highlight this comment 61

While I think the Twins-Yankees ALDS series should have started on Thursday, rather than, Wednesday, I am fine with the way things worked out. If you win ONE more game during the 162 game schedule, you are not playing that tie-breaker game in the first place. That is why April games are just as important as September games. The Yankees had the best record and deserved to choose when to start the series, as every other team with the best record has the right to do. The Twins would do the same thing if they had a chance to choose a start date for their ALDS.

And to those criticizing the missed call on Friday by the LF umpire, just remember the Brandon Inge missed call when he was HBP with bases loaded in the tie-breaker game. Yes the call on Friday was a bad call, but what if Inge gets hit on Tuesday night with the bases loaded? Do the Twins even win that game? I just have a hard time blaming the umpire for Friday's game when the Twins leave 17 runners on base, including a bases loaded with zero outs opportunity in the 11th inning.

I guess the moral of my rant is that things go both ways with missed calls and missed opportunities and the Twins had more than a fair amount of opportunties this year to win the division out-right (not needing a 163rd game) as well as win games 2 and 3 of the ALDS. As disappointing as this series was, the better team advanced to the ALCS as should be.

I just hope the Twins front office realizes that SIGNIFICANT upgrades are needed on this roster and they make the appropriate moves to take this team to the next level. Gomez and Casilla should be starting 2010 in AAA Rochester, assuming they are still in the Twins organization. The bullpen needs a major overhaul as well. Perhaps Boof and Neshek will help, but those are no guarantees either.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 62

From the New York Times:

"The Twins dug up home plate and the pitcher’s rubber, but St. Peter said they would not be relocated to the new park."

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM by Rick 63

So what was the significance of them digging up the plate and pitching rubber? I found it cheesy and a take-off of what the Yankees did last year.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 64

This is what I will remember about this September and October more than the rest:

The Twins NEVER stopped fighting.

It's only reason they made the playoffs, won[/]i the division, had the [i]chance to face the (Go*&#%$ *&$^@# $&&#&***#@# ^#@) Yankees in the ALDS once again. And we all know they realistically should've won both games 2 and 3.

How does that compare to the postseason Twins of '06, '04, '03? I don't know if you guys remember how those playoff series went, but for me, this one was a more bitter loss because the Twins didn't just roll over and die. '06 Against the A's was PATHETIC. Our bats put their tails between their legs and didn't come out once in the ALDS, and we had home field advantage!

These '09 Twins never stopped fighting against the Yankees - something I gotta say is a lot more admirable considering the odds, the matchup, the history, and the expectations.

Yeah, I'm feeling pretty dejected right now, but I've never been a bigger Twins fan.

Only 182 days left...

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 65

Dear Twins (and apologist fans) NO. It was not "great just to make it." I'm done with that... get off your asses, spend some money, and act like a damn first division team. Get some real support for the best ballplayer in a generation... or I'll pack his bags when he leaves for the team that will - and my support will go with him. The "small market" excuses are at an end. I worked too damn hard to help make that palace across town a reality to watch you cop out and plead poverty now... get some talent, make a run, division titles and first round exits aren't enough anymore... not with the talent on this team...

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 66

I couldn't make it yesterday, but my daughter took our seats. She said it was a great game until the 9th. Also got lots of pictures of home plate being taken out to be moved to Target Field - will try to get those and get them posted. They also took out the pitching rubber, but I don't know if that goes to Target Field or not.

She said they showed a nice tribute to the Twins on the video screen after the game, which included shots of Target Field.

I wish I could've made all three "last games at the Dome", but alas it was not to be.

As for the blown call on Mauer the other day - it goes the other way too. The Phillies scored the go ahead run on the 9th inning on a foul ball that was ruled fair. (And Utley ran to first, after the ball hit him, out of the baseline and Street threw to Helton just in time to get him, but was ruled safe). Umps blew the same play three times.

I wasn't a fan of instant replay (or umpire in replay booth), but after this post-season I am. I don't remember seeing as many blown calls in the last two weeks as I've seen this year.

(For those wondering, it was 33 at first pitch in Colorado last night and dropped to 28. Too damn cold to play baseball.)

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 67

CJ, yes we do need to add some more pieces, but considering all the injuries we've sustained, missing Neshek, Boof, Slowey, Mourneau, Mauer for a month, Crede, I think we did about as well could possibly hoped, and did exceed expectations. If healthy we beat the Yankees, they are a vastly overrated team, we weren't blown out like past times, we were competitive in these. Yes rotatins needs shoring up, Pavano showed alot yesterday, resign him, get a big free agent (Harden is going to be a Type B), get another good Middle infielder, and with health coming back to, what turned out to be a good bullpen afterall, we should be sitting well for 2010 (Which I've always had circled for our year to make a run, not 2009)

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 68

jfh, I've come around bit too, but will never support replay for Balls/Strikes. My opinion, replayable should be fair/foul, Home Runs, and plays at the plate.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 1:39 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 69

For all those who clamor for a roof, do you not realize how many MN High School and College baseball players suit up in the early spring and play baseball no matter the conditions? Snowflakes, cold, some rain, wind, etc. You make it sound as if the elements are filled with nuclear waste! Why would the Twins need a roof if thousands of other individuals prove that playing in the elements is possible!

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 70

I'm with Camden on the replays. Never for balls or strikes because that is way too much of a judgment call. But for the other ones he mentioned there is no "opinions" involved. It's either homerun or no homerun, fair or foul, safe or out. I think they should AT LEAST implement this in the playoffs when there is so much more on the line. Btw, I am still waiting for some sort of official apology from MLB for Jersey-boy Cuzzi's "mistake." I wonder if it will ever happen.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 1:57 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 71

"I wonder if it will ever happen."

Yes --- the same day as the astronauts land on Pluto.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 72

CJ, yes we do need to add some more pieces, but considering all the injuries we've sustained, missing Neshek, Boof, Slowey, Mourneau, Mauer for a month, Crede, I think we did about as well could possibly hoped, and did exceed expectations

All that proves Camden is that the Twins play in what is BY FAR the worst division in MLB. In any other division, the Twins are an afterthought even when 100% healthy. Changes and additions MUST be made.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 73

Has anyone on this forum read the fairly recent book "As They See Em" by Bruce Weber? It is an excellent run down on the life of an MLB umpire. It didn't get much coverage, but it provides alot of perspective, especially when going through a week like this one. I highly recommend it.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 74

Oh, and for those that don't know it, Balls and Strikes are measured by MLB. I don't recall if the scores are available anywhere to either the fans or players, but MLB is watching, or so they say.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 75

DeePee, there will probably be an apology on that play right after they apologize about that Brandon Inge play too when the ball hit his jersey. Perhaps the blown foul ball call was just poetic justice for the Twins since they caught a break on the Inge play.

Now, if the players stopped wearing uniforms that look like pajamas (I'm looking at you CC, Manny and Prince Fielder), that ball wouldn't have been near Inge.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 76

B.W. McEvers: I just contacted NASA about a one-manned mission to Pluto. They expressed interest and said that Phil Cuzzi is perfect guy for the one-way ticket mission. I also suggested crashing Phil into the moon to see what happens and they said that they will do that if he declines the Pluto mission.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 77


Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 78

JC: Yes I've read it. Terrific read. I always get a kick out of reciting the umpiring crews names (before they are announced to the crowd) when I go to a game with a buddy. Lots of tendencies and/or blown calls over a career that have gained notoriety that each team is certainly aware of, but most casual fans are not. These guys have reputations that proceed them (who's a hothead? who calls a good balls/strikes game? who is lazy? who has a quick trigger finger? who is reasonable when they've missed a call? etc.) The politics of MLB umpiring along the path to the major leagues is astounding.

Did anyone realize that last night behind the dish was Cretin alum, Mark Wegner? So that makes 2 of the 3 games that Cretin alums were behind home plate in the ALDS (Tim Tschida the other in Game 1)...

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM by Max Highlight this comment 79

GOOD-BYE DOME, HELLO TARGET FIELD! Does anybody know when Target Field will be complete and when are the Twins going to move into Target Field?

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 80

Camden - the injury to Boof was the best thing to happen to the Twins in 09... he needs to be riding the pine for the Pirates... he isn't even a back of the rotation starter.

Same goes for a lot of guys on the team... I'll have to see who is entering free agency this off season... but their priorities need to be:

1. a top (or near top) of the rotation starter
2. a second baseman - I hated Nick Punto before last night... now I want him to never play again, anywhere
3. a third baseman - Crede's injury-prone reputation bore itself out
4. bullpen help - every team is looking for it, and it will be overpriced, find me another couple guys like Rauch, and we're golden (esp. with Neshek coming back)
5. re-sign Pavano and Cabrera, two solid additions to the clubhouse and on the field.
6. outright Buscher, Tolbert, Mijares, Crain, Bonser, Punto, and Crede
7. call up Danny Valencia and have him understudy behind the new FA 3b
8. Trade Carlos Gomez for whatever you can get for him. He's Lew Ford reincarnated
9. spend the winter with Delmon Young in Ft. Myers have him shag flies until he drops... practice hitting cutoff men, timing his jumps, etc... Ryan Howard did this last year, it works (and no, I haven't given up on him)

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 81

I would swap 8 and 9 and work Gomez hard and dump Delmon. Gomez's fielding is superior and he could be crafted into a 1 or 2 man, or a 9 man that is a pseudo 1 man with his bunting speed. A mistake like game 2 was him learning the game. He just needs to make a few of those mistakes and get them under his belt.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:20 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 82

Here's was the argument about not having replay on homerun calls. It was "Ok what will be next?" I say no to instant replay in baseball. Yea it was a terrible call on Joe's hit called foul in NY. Really terrible. That being said, I still don't want to see instant replay in baseball. The better team won. Besides all what has been said, I noticed that nobody mentioned the fact that the Twins had no bench players. The choice of Buscher or Redmond is obviously not good.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 83

I was referring to bats off the bench on above post.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 84

CJ, I don't know where to even start. Bullpen is should be one of our last priorities (perhaps other than re-signing Mahay or similar), Mijares had established himself as a legit set up man, but had some struggles down the strech, big deal he's a rookie, which also would bring up why would you outright him? Makes me wonder how much baseball knowlege you do have, would be idiotic to outright when you can option him. Cabrera is an old Punto, would be a dumb move to bring him back, I can deal with a patient Punto IF they sign/trade for a good middle infielder. Valencia isn't even close to being ready, we're looking at MAYBE a 2010 September call-up, so we need to look elsewhere for 3B. Both Gomez and Ford are terrible, but in different ways. They had the fourth best bullpen in Major League Baseball. Yes we need an Ace, that would be a priority.

Now Delmon I can agree with.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 85

Available options for the Twins to address needs:

2b - solid crop of FA's headed by Brian Roberts... but the name jumping off the page at me is Placido Polanco... a Twins player if I ever saw one... great defense, doesn't strike out.

3b - opportunities abound for a big splash (Chipper Jones, Hank Blalock) but the big name here for the Twins would be Chone Figgins... if he doesn't want to leave Anaheim, there is Pedro Feliz a solid hitter with a great glove in Philly

of - while not a priority, there are a ton of OF's on the market, and few just below "elite" that the twins could make in to a great LF... Jayson Werth is the name jumping out at me

sp - a bumper crop... twins best bets (assuming Lee, Beckett, Webb and Wellemeyer are out of reach) Veteran Tim Hudson, Kevin Millwood, or Joel Pinero all seem within reach. (I'd love to see a play for a true elite guy like the four above)

rp - cutthroat market will exist for genuine talent but options abound... Chad Bradford, Matt Herges, and bringing back Ron Mahay are options

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 86

Does anyone recall timing of past offseason moves? Generally nothing happens til the World Series is done, no?

Also I agree that if a game comes down to one call, generally the team that let it get that close still deserves to lose.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:58 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 87

I don't know why, but I thought I remember reading that TF has to be occupancy-ready by March 1, even though they might be doing some minor finishing on the ballpark, most of it needs to be complete, so the Twins can have the key and start setting up offices there.

When Twins tickets go on sale next year, since the Twins technically won't be playing at TF yet, are we still gonna have to go to the Dome for tickets, or are we going to be able to buy them at the TF ticket offices?

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:58 PM by luke Highlight this comment 88


wasn't aware they had options left on Mijares... he needs to earn his way back... the guy can't pitch in the clutch... looks scared.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 89

luke - single game tickets will not be on sale until March, so just like last year, you will be able to go online in March and buy single game tickets or you can go down to the Target Field box office and buy tickets. The Pro Shops are also and option. Target Field will will be ready in March for people to buy tickets at the ticket offices outside the ballpark.

It also wouldn't suprise me if the Twins let single game tickets go on sale the same weekend they schedule the first series of "Open Houses" for Target Field. It's already been talked about that the Twins will be having a series of open houses throughout the month of March to let the public and season ticket holders check out the ballpark.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 90

Sorry John F, but I don't agree with the "better team won" argument ever. Period. If that were the case why even have the playoffs at all and just give the crown to the team with the best record at the end of the regular season? (even though there would be no distinguishment of course of regular and post season because there would be none of the latter). The beauty of the playoffs is that a team that may not be better all around is able to sometimes outplay the "better" team and snatch an unexpected victories. It's called an upset of course and all of sports would be boring as hell if it never happened. I am not saying that this was the case for the Twins in this ALDS but we certainly had some oppurtunities ripe for the picking and we let them get away. We had a chance to beat the "better" team.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 91

DeePee, I agree we had many chances to beat the Yanks. The Twins left way to many scoring chances die for lack of clutch hitting. The Yanks got the big hit when they needed it. I was referring to this series when I say the better team won. Except the facts, we lost three in a row. The better team did win.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 5:44 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 92

Accept or Except. Either works.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 5:57 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 93

Following that vein (and by the way I am doing this simply for sake argument and have nothing against you JohnF :) if the Twins won this series, would you still say then that the better team won or that the Yankees are the better team and that they just choked? Just curious. I guess my point is that sometimes the better team is actually the one that ends up losing.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 5:59 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 94

only six months to go! Red Sox @ Twins six months from today, a long six months, but we will survive. As most of the exterior work is completed, there won't be much to see on the exterior of TF this winter, so hopefully Rick and others will have some inside access to get us through the winter.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 6:48 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 95

Part of my previous post got deleted somehow, but just wanted to mention that the Twins are scheduled to unveil their new logo/jerseys/caps on Monday, November 16.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 96

Firedog needs to go to rubechat or some other teenage oriented site to vent. The Twins got soundly beat and overall played poorly in this ALDS. But get a grip man. You can't hold your breath till they fire the whole team, you might turn blue.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 7:08 PM by not a rube Highlight this comment 97

A couple of Target Field pictures...

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 7:09 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 98

The real issue this off season is resigning Mauer. Signing players has to wait until after the World Series but I would like to see him signed before Jan 1. And this can't be a tester offer either. Knock his socks off! I propose 8 years $120 million. That's $15 million per season. It would get this fan base excited to really see what the "new stadium economics" are going to look like and like Camden said in post 68, we had a ton of injuries this season.

Other than that, keep O-Cab and Pavano. I'm happy with Crede for the right price. Go get a middle infielder and a DH. Make your everyday outfield Kubel, Gomez, and Cuddy. Maybe Young could DH but I bet we can do better. RP will be crucial and a 4th/5th starter and it's all aboard to winnersville USA in our shiny new Cadillac.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 7:22 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 99


2 things.

1. Are you insane? Mauer will get closer to 25 million than 15 million. And he will want either shorter term, more per year or longer term and slightly less per year. Either way there is not a snowball's chance in hell he accepts 8 years and 120 million. This isn't fantasyland. Joe knows he will be coveted by both the Yankees and Red Sox following 2010. He holds all the cards. A failure to sign him would be a colossal failure on the part of the Pohlads. I believe he is in the best negotiating position that any player in baseball history has been in. Hometown boy playing for the hometown team entering the prime of his career at age 26/27 after next season when both of the largest payrolls in baseball will be competing for his services coming off 3 batting titles (could be 4 following next season), 1 MVP trophy, all while playing the most important position in baseball. My advice to Jim Pohlad: Hand him a blank check and close your eyes!!!

2. Ummm I believe Denard Span is the most SURE starter in the everyday outfield from here going forward. Putting Kubel/Gomez/Cuddyer as the starting OF is simply idiotic and totally unrealistic at this point.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM by Max Highlight this comment 100

I don't think you can give a catcher A-Rod money because of the position he plays and I was viewing 8 years as a 'career' contract with the thought that after that contract is up, he'll be 33 and more than likely not playing catcher anymore. At least not everyday. Okay, maybe $18/19 mil per year thats still good for top 10 MLB salaries and by far and a way highest paid catcher.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 8:11 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 101


Totally forgot about Span, revise my outfield as Span, Gomez, and Cuddy. Sorry Young, you're out. Kubel DH

Thanks for pointing out my insanity Max

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 8:12 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 102

Jorge Posada is currently the highest paid catcher in MLB at 4 years, $52.4 mil ($13.1 per year '08-'11). Considering that Jorge was benched in the ALDS, how much more valueable is Mauer than Posada?

That said, read the last two paragraphs before the "Inside Pitch" part of the linked article (click my name)...

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 8:41 PM by Goober Highlight this comment 103

KARE-11 story about moving out of the dome.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 8:55 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 104

DeePee, If the Twins would have won the series? Yes, they would've been the better team. Our starting pitching in the series was damn good. BUT, the Twins did not hit in the clutch. Look at all the winning teams, good starting pitching and big time clutch hits win games and make them the better team. We got beat by the long ball. Imagine that. Helps to have a steady closer too. You misinterpreted my first post about "better teams".

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 8:56 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 105


He has to say that he isn't interested in being the highest paid catcher in baseball. He is going to get his money regardless if he wants it or not and the Twins have to sign him this off season before the Yanks, Mets, Dodgers, and Red Sox have a chance to offer him 20-23 per season and the Twins have no chance. Give em 15-18 this off season and be done with it before you get out bid and you have the majority of the fanbase pissed off that you got your new palace and still couldn't sign your best player.

That said, the most important part of that quote in that article was, “Just having the chance to win would be important to me,” he said. “I’ve put myself in a pretty good position that, wherever I end up, I think the pay’s going be pretty nice. I’m more worried about trying to be on winning teams.” The Twins have to find a way to get both done this off season. This could be one of the more influential off seasons of late. You lose Mauer, you start over

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 8:56 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 106

Follow up article on Twins Website talking about Mauer's thoughts on Twins.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 107

C'mon Goober at least get your facts straight. Please stop throwing stuff out there without at least minimal fact checking. You are insulting everyone's intelligence. At no point was Posada "benched" in the ALDS. In fact, Jorge was one of the Yankees better hitters of the series (after Arod and Jeter). He was replaced by Jose Molina at Catcher in Game 2 because AJ Burnett likes to throw to him and has had a few squabbles on pitch calling with Posada during the regular season. Read the New York papers (Mark Feinsand, Tyler Kepner, Bryan Hoch, Sam Borden, Chad Jennings, formerly Peter Abraham). This decision by Girardi was not taken very well by Posada.

As for Posada being the highest paid catcher, he is 38 years old. Mauer is 26 and in the prime of his career along with a laser rocket arm that shuts down opposing running games (GOLD GLOVE DEFENSE). This is simply not a fair comparison. It is apples to oranges. They aren't in the same stratosphere. Look at the offensive and defensive metrics. Mauer is simply an extraordinary talent whose numbers bear that out. All reports are this was likely Posada's last year as the "regular" everyday Catcher in NY. He'll DH and split time with Cervelli and/or Molina next season. In fact, most are speculating that the Yankees will allow Godzilla to leave via Free Agency to allow all of the old guys on the Yankees to DH as an "off day" next season in order to keep them fresher for the whole season.

Can anyone reasonably argue that another baseball player has ever been in a better negotiating position? The fact remains that Mauer has the Twins by the balls. The new ballpark just helps his case even more. It creates a sense of entitlement from the fans who EXPECT no matter what after largely funding the facility for the Pohlads to step up to the plate and pay the man what he is worth. All of this is in spite of a relatively soft economy. Pretty amazing if you sit down and think about it. Don't forget that Mauer spends the winter in Fort Myers where he has built a home and still owns his condo where his brother Jake lives. Who else trains in Ft. Myers? Yep the Boston Red Sox. Who else trains in W. Florida (specifically Tampa) approximately 2 hours north of Ft. Myers? Yep the New York Yankees. The stars are aligned. Joe loves it down in Florida. He can go grocery shopping and nobody recognizes/mobs him. He can eat out and nobody recognizes him. He can go out with a girl and nobody has a clue who he is....

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 9:53 PM by Max Highlight this comment 108

Max, all great points. To think that Mauer will settle for 15-18 mil/year is in fact a fantasy. I would estimate that it will take a 10 year/225 million offer just to get the ball rolling. It's a fair bet that with NY in the mix that the number could go north of 250 over 10.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:08 PM by ace Highlight this comment 109

I would trade Mauer before giving him $25 million a year. I love Mauer but he hasnt stayed healthy for an entire season yet. For $25 million a year you could sign three pretty descent everyday players. If there payroll is 85-90 million next year you would be giving 1/3 of it to one player. If your not the Yankees or Red Sox you cant afford to pay one player that much, if your the Yankees its no big deal cause there payroll is over 200 million. I think he will sign here for betwwen 16-18 million a year. I mean when is enough really enough. I go into burning buildings for 40K a year.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 110

firedog, except for the fact that Twins ownership can afford to spend MORE than the Yankee's, and certainly the Red Sox, who rarely get even close to the Yankee's payroll. The Twins can't afford to not pay Mauer whatever it takes up to $35 million a year if necessary.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:38 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 111

firedog, this has nothing to do with "enough is enough", it's about market value. And when the Yankees enter the picture, you have to play ball or else he walks. That's how free agency works, take it or leave it.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 10:59 PM by ace Highlight this comment 112

I think firedog is saying "leave it." He does bring up a good point. 25 million a year is different for the Yankees and Red Sox than it is for the Twins.

Even with a new stadium and new revenue opportunities, our payroll will never come close to those big market teams. Baseball is not basketball. You can't build your team around one player. If he's willing to cut us a deal, great. If he's not, we better hope Morales learns to call a game.

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 11:11 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 113

Does anyone know how much extra revenue the Twins will be getting from Target Field?

Posted on October 12, 2009 at 11:13 PM by Nate Highlight this comment 114

As much as I'm for the new ballpark, the latest Christenson article at the strib infuriates me. If the Twins do nothing during the off-season like they did last year, I hope they get lots of ticket return with demands for refunds (probably won't happen but an angry fan can dream), and an empty ballpark during games. If the Twins are gonna be cheapskates during the offseason, than the Wilfs, who actually use their wallots during the off-season, deserved a stadium more than the Twins did. Skol Vikings

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 12:37 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 115

I will totally support Mauer if he walks because the Twins did nothing in the off-season. This status-quo will no longer do.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 12:39 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 116

Forget the Vikings. They're already making money hand over fist.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 12:44 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 117

You also might have noticed, while you can talk about Wilf "opening up his wallet" all you want, they've never won anything and likely never will. The Twins have always been better representatives of this state and first-class citizens. I hope the Vikings move before they ever get one cent of my tax dollars.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 12:52 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 118

First class citizens? I hate to break it to you, but 2005 was 4 years ago, everyone else has moved on.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 01:11 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 119

on the statement of no rainouts if outside?? Game 163 would be a rainout and game 162 probably also.....

The World series in November is just plain is interleague play and the unbalanced schedule the way it is.
Now the DH is ok.....

Plus Punto must be related to gardenhire as gomez also.....on anyother team both woulda been gone after last year period.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 01:28 AM by BW Highlight this comment 120

reading the reader comments on the Christensen, i'm really sick of the "fire gardy" stuff! the guy has done damn well with what he has

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 06:01 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 121

BW, by last year do you mean 2008 or 2009? Punto is a lot like Carlos Silva, Good Year then Bad Year then beck to good, bad, etc. He Had a good 2008.

Sooj, Your right on, Gardy has very little control over personnel. Blame him for Punto if you want, but at least he's a passable 2nd Baseman WHEN he is patient at the plate.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 08:02 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 122

Max - I don't think I mis-stated any of my facts. Posada, in fact, sat on the bench for game 2 did he not? It didn't have to be because of his bat, it's true that he was benched because Burnett didn't want to throw to him. Can you imagine a Twins pitcher saying that of Mauer? So, fact is, Posada was benched.

Point two - Posada is the highest paid catcher in MLB. I never said he was comparable (age-wise or other) to Mauer, just that he was the highest paid catcher. Also, the implication is, if Posada was benched (not for his bat, but because of his issues - which you pointed out), his age (you pointed out, but seem obvious); my point is, Posada two years ago was worth $13.1 mil a year. Mauer certainly won't be a $15 mil a year guy. That's obsurd. He's clearly way beyond that.

I think we agree that Mauer will get big bucks, and you mis-read what I was trying to say. Thanks for being a jerk about it...

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 08:23 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 123

You're right JohnF that long ball killed us. Scrounging together 6 runs in 3 games won't get us anywhere. And Nathan needs to learn to nail down the big ones. A save in that game is worth 10-15 regular season games in my book.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 08:42 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 124

but you don't understand goober that Max has all the answers, nobody should question him. he's all knowing and right about everything. people visit this site to read HIS opinions....thanks for the three page rant Max, what great reading.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 08:51 AM by tim Highlight this comment 125

I agree with Firedog. If the Baby Jesus wants 25mil+, let him walk. He'd be stupid if he thinks the Twins would be able to win a championship while paying one player 25% of their total salary.

I'm pretty sure the Twins will NEVER break 100 mil in yearly salary.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 09:15 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 126

We'd be looking at Mauer and 8 Puntos in the field for the remainder of his contract. Woopie!!

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 09:16 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 127

Any word on whether the rest of the seats will be installed before the snow flies,... er.. before November 1? It looks like there are alot on the club/legend level or whatever it is called.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 09:18 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 128

CTM, everybody else has "moved on" because the Vikings are winning. But the DUIs, the alleged PED use with the Williams Sisters, etc., are still there. Bottom line is we usually don't have to put up with that crap from the Twins where it becomes an every year thing with the Vikings.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 09:42 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 129

just like dredogg said... we would have kevin garnett and 8 puntos if they do that...i love mauer hes a great player but sorry he can blow out anything on his lanky body at anytime... this aint the nfl these are guarenteed... arent balt still paying albert bell? sombody is probably still paying mo vaughn...

before you fricken bored ass "fact checkers" get a erection thinking you can pounce on my comments im just saying.. not that they are still being paid.

(funny that you have to add a disclaimer so some posters dont get to excited)

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 09:48 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 130

What would be the point of moving/removing home plate and the pitching rubber right after the game if the Twins don't plan to install it at Target Field? Just some sort of museum specimen?

Then again, the Twins also said the logo sign wouldn't have shaking hands either. Might be one of those supposed "aha" moments that they are currently downplaying.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM by MWJ Highlight this comment 131

Mauer is worth every penny of $25 million. Perhaps you can write something in if he changes positions, but at his position and what he does he is definently worth $25 million, easily. Here's the current top 5: 1. 3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY $ 33,000,000
2. OF Manny Ramirez, LA $ 23,854,494
3. SS Derek Jeter, NYY $ 21,600,000
4. 1B Mark Teixeira, NYY $ 20,625,000
5. OF Carlos Beltran, NYM $ 19,243,682
6. OF Carlos Lee, HOU $ 19,000,000

I'd be willing to pay Mauer more that any of those.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 132

Maz - Not sure if the Belle contract is still active, but that was paid off by insurance, not Baltimore. MLB clubs have insurance on their larger contracts in the event a player can no longer play.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:19 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 133

Buffalo you should move to Buffalo. Zigi is a WAY better owner then the Pohlads. Man I wish all you anti-vike-stadium fans would just move out of this state, we'd be better off.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:37 AM by MATT Highlight this comment 134

Mauer will sign a 7 year/150 Million deal. DONE!!

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 135

....with the Twins...

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 136

MATT, too bad. Deal with it. The Vikings and the NFL are a cash cow. Red McCombs bought this team for less than $250 million in 1998 and sold it for $625 million seven years later. Wilf's team is now valued at $835 million according to Forbes.

And somehow I'm supposed to feel sorry for the Vikings and build them a new stadium because they are winning for once? Whatever. Some of us would go out on the other limb and say this state would be a much better place without all the Vikings fans.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 137

Why does everybody act as though Mauer is a free agent? He isn't and won't get paid like one. Yeah, if he hit the market as a free agent after the 2010 season he would get paid some of the sums tossed around in here, but what's missing is the recognition that he's under contract and would be signing an extension. There's a reason teams prefer to sign their players to contract extensions before they hit free agency; it's because they cost a lot less. Not saying he's going to come cheap, but all this $25 mil a year stuff is missing the point.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 138

I think the best strategy that the Twins could employ would be signing Mauer to a very long-term contract, 10+ years, lace it with incentives (plate appearances, awards, etc), and therefore lessen the chance of being stuck with Mauer and 8 Puntos. In fact, I think that would be the only way the Twins could compete with the Yankee$ and Red $ox. Get creative - guarantee the guy a seat next to Bert after retiring, give him a luxury suite for life, etc.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM by Bobbles Highlight this comment 139

I think Mauer would be a truly boring commentator to listen to on TV or radio. It amazes me that a guy with his talent is so mellow.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 140

I think it misses the point to discuss this as if it is strictly a baseball decision.

As the primary face of the franchise for the foreseeable future, Mauer is actually worth MORE than a catcher of his caliber (of which there have been precious few in the history of baseball). Hunter and Santana were expendable BECAUSE OF Mauer. But there's nobody behind him as a future face of the franchise. He's it.

The mitigating factor is that he probably wants all of these:

1. To win
2. To stay in MN
3. To get rich

Conventional wisdom says he's going to have to pick any two of these three.

But the Twins have an opportunity to structure a deal that offers him all three. The question to Joe is: How much less is he willing to take in #3 to make #1 possible? (Isn't "rich" always relative anyway?)

And the question to the team is: Are you willing/able to make the moves necessary to convince Joe that #1 is possible?

But lets make one thing clear: Keeping Joe Mauer as a Twin for life is NOT optional.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM by Rick 141

Within the past hour, another flag pole has appeared on the plaza near the existing three. (Check the web cam.)

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 11:56 AM by Rick 142

The problem is the team has different priorities. Winning is below, even far below, revenue gathering. The new palace we gave them virtually guarantees vastly increased revenue streams and the Twins have a long history of spending the minimum it takes to keep the tap flowing. The fans screamed and hollered when Carew was allowed to get away but ultimately kept paying the piper. It's a choke point issue and the team is alot better at knowing what they can away with than we are at shaping their behavior. The biggest factor in the entire equation is how much Mauer wants to stay - no way are the Twins going to pay what the market will bear.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 143

What a gorgeous day for outdoor baseball!!

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 144

The best thing that could happen to the Twins is to get new ownership that is committed to winning. The Pohlads have always taken the cheap road over the years. I never understood why the Twins would sign guys like Bautista, Lamb, Castro, and all these stop gap guys for 3-4 million a year instead of every 2-3 years go out and sign a top tier free agent or just sign the guys that are already here think of the lineup we could have had this year.
1.Span OF
2.Bartlett SS
3.Mauer C
4.Morneau 1B
5.Hunter. OF
6.Cuddyer OF
7.Kubel DH
8.Crede/Whoever 3B
9.Punto 2B
Starters: Santana,Garza,Baker,Blackburn,Slowey/whoever

This team could have been stacked and made a couple runs at the World Series but the Pohlads always take the cheap way out!

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 145

Great post Rick at 11:24am. Mauer's marketability is what is hard to quantify. Not only is he a tremendous player, he is a tremendous person, and is a once in a lifetime marketing chip the Twins can (and have already) use to bring in Brinks Trucks full of Benjamins...

I would argue that Mauer is already bigger in MN than Kirby Puckett ever was (even in his prime from 87-91) even without the 2 World Championships. This is mostly attributable to his "hometown boy" status and that everyone has some connection to Joe Mauer. How many people say they saw him play at Cretin, or know his 3rd cousin's sisters boyfriends best friend? There is a reason he was given the "Baby Jesus" moniker...

I should also note that Joe is represented by one of the best agents in Major League Baseball, Ron Shapiro. He is shrewd, but reasonable while being highly respected throughout baseball for negotiating fair deals for both sides. Ron is the father of Cleveland's GM Mark Shapiro. He has represented Jim Palmer, Brooks Robinson, Cal Ripken Jr., and Kirby Puckett among others. What do all those guys have in common? They all played for 1 team for their entire careers and ended up in Cooperstown. There is a precedent here.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM by Max Highlight this comment 146

Pohlad cheapness is widely blamed, but I don't think that's exactly fair.

And before you say it, don't tell me that they're billionaires. That doesn't mean anything. They're running a business. Winning is part of the business, but only to a certain degree. You can spend $200 million and not do squat. See: '09 Mets, '08 Yankees, I could go on. They're smarter than that.

But what they do next will be the most telling. They will finally be out from under all of the bad deal-making that Calvin Griffith did with the Vikings and MSFC, and will be awash in new, Twins-specific, revenue.

Their formula is actually pretty damn good. And if they stick to it, you should see some serious increases in payroll which correspond roughly with the increases in revenue. If their GM can turn those increases into better players, and their marketing department can turn those players into still more revenues, then we've got a nice little spiral which should lead to plenty of chances to win.

If, on the other hand, we do not see more world-class players, then you can rail on the formula (and the Pohlads) all you like.

There is another factor, however, which works against the Twins: there is no parity in revenue sharing. It could be that even the mediocre talent will be priced out of the Twins' revenues. This is a problem for MLB to solve, though they have shown themselves rather feckless on it in the past.

Dump the unbalanced scheduled (though keep division games packed into September), scrap the luxury tax, and go to a full revenue sharing model (without cap).

Will it happen? No.

But when you place blame, the Pohlads are just the easiest target. The dynamics of the industry are way bigger factors.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 1:15 PM by Rick 147

A couple of really interesting articles today in the Strib about trading away Nathan. Michael Rand argues that trading a player one year too early is better than trading a player one year too late. I tend to agree with this, but at the same time the Twins have rarely every traded a player to improve the team rather than to shrink the payroll. Trading Nathan makes sense to me. With more high-powered hitters we don't really need a closer anyways. Let's get a starter.

I will say this. It feels great trying to improve a team from division champs o world champs rather than trying to bring them up from the bottom.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 1:18 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 148

Am I the only person who noticed that payroll went DOWN once the stadium was approved? The Twins know we are suckers!

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 149

It would be nice if baseball had a salary cap like every other professional sport. It works in every other sport but you will never get the union in baseball to sign off on it. You see these guys like Stephen Strasburg getting millions and millions without ever throwing a pitch and might never throw a pitch. Baseballs whole economic dynamic is screwed up.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 150

The salary cap issue is not a huge deal to me as its only a select few teams that spend above and beyond. As Rick pointed out, money does not guarantee you anything such as the Mets and Yankees have experienced the last two years.

I just think MLB needs to forget the whole division/wild card rule in the playoffs in that division teams cannot face each other in the first round.

It should simply be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 regardless of division/wild card team. The whole purpose of the wild card was to add a 4th team and expand the playoffs, so who really cares what division the wild card comes out of. Play 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 like every other sport does.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 151


As much as I agree with you that it should be 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 it will never happen for one reason... Yankees vs. Red Sox. "Nobody" want to watch the Yanks and Sox duke it out in the first round. As with most things in baseball its all about the East Coast.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 152

Firedog's hypothetical lineup illustrates what I have been thinking about Punto and the whole debate about his value. In that context I don't think many people would complain about his hitting. It would be understood that even the good teams will have a weak spot or two in the batting order and his value would stand out as a great fielder and sometime sparkplug on the basepaths. Maybe like Clete Boyer in the 60's Yank teams. I don't think Yankee fans were intolerant of his hitting, because they had enough others to make up for it, and every time he did get a good hit would just be gravy.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM by robin Highlight this comment 153

The media lust for Red Sox/Yankee matchups may be an obstacle to getting rid of the unbalanced schedule too.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM by robin Highlight this comment 154

Flag pole arrives and we are on the final stretch for seat installation. Seats in the 2nd level showing up over the past few hours and bleachers appearing in right field.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 2:43 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 155

"The media lust for Red Sox/Yankee matchups may be an obstacle to getting rid of the unbalanced schedule too."

Agreed, but wouldn't baseball and the networks benefit more by having them play fewer than 19 games against one another? That's just overkill. The rivalry becomes less special and too commonplace when they play each other that many times. 10-12 games, mostly in August and September? That seems like ratings gold.

Always leave them wanting more.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 2:46 PM by Bobbles Highlight this comment 156

buffalo - get over yourself with the anti-vikings crap. i think it is time for you to go and rub your gay bay packers helmet. it is cool that you enjoy watching the twins though! ;-)

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 2:59 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 157

Does anyone know what ROI is on payroll? In other words if the Twins go grab a $50 million free agent, how likely are they to recoup that $50 million? It seems pretty simple, but obviously it isn't.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 3:14 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 158

I'm actually not anti-Viking, nor am I pro-Packers (way to show your maturity with the "gay bay" comment by the way). I just am anti-stadium for the Vikes. Don't see the need. Wilf is already making money like crazy. I don't see the need for me to pay more taxes so he can make that much more.

As for Christensen's piece on the salary not likely to go up that much, I too noticed the salary was cut after the stadium was approved McEvers, but I think that was more coincidence than anything else. At least I hope so. They let Hunter walk, which I agree with considering how much the Angels handed him, and Santana wanted out. Not much you can do about that.

That being said, the Pohlads have gotten a raw deal when it comes to those complaining about the team salary. This is a team that in 2000 put out $15 million for its squad. Before that the highest it had ever gotten was $27.6 mil in 1994. This past year it was at $65 mil. Sure, that's a slight decrease from the all-time high of $71 mil a couple years ago, but they are spending more on players and I think we will see more of that, but done in a smart way, not the way the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Cubs, Angels or Dodgers do it blindly.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 3:49 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 159

Back to Target Field discussion, that is why we're all here after all. Anybody been down there lately to see what the wind veil installation looks like so far? Can you get an idea at all what it looks like or are they not far enough along. You can't get any idea at all from the web cams and I haven't had the chance to go down by the stadium for a while now.

Interesting seeing that flagpole out there Rick. Is that possibly the one from Metropolitan Stadium? I noticed in the most recent viewing of the web cam there was a group of yellow-vested workers huddled out by the existing three flagpoles. Wonder what they are doing. Hmmmm.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 3:53 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 160

good point, Bobbles, MLB and media are diluting the value of those games in the long run, but in the meantime they are still generating revenue. Maybe diminishing returns. I think that may be going on with interleague play too.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM by robin Highlight this comment 161

Many subjects to address...

Salary Cap -- I really don't think it works very well in any of the other sports because it encourages/forces players to change teams more often. One big thing about retaining fans for the long-term is at least some stability of the personnel on the field. One of the things that bugs me most about the Vikes (and I AM a fan) is that it seems like I have to start over every damn year. I hate that. And though the salary cap isn't the only reason for this, it's a big one.

Wind Veil -- I was down at the site today to get some photos of the flag pole (yes, that's the old Met flag pole down there, along with the big glove statue) and there's virtually nothing to see of the wind veil yet. Some structural work is underway, but it looks like they're going to build some sort of frame first and then attach the sculpture to that. It also appears that the frame will stick out far enough from the ramp to cover that gap over 394.

Twins Payroll -- If you remember the discussion during the preseason, there was money to spend and no one to spend it on. The payroll did shrink, but it was a function of the market for players and nothing sinister. As I say, the way I understand the formula, with more money to spend, the payroll can go up. BUT, if the Twins can't find good investments, they're much better off to hold the cash and keep shopping.

$50MM Free Agent -- ROIs are pretty hard to calculate in this context because it's hard to isolate any single player's affect on revenue. In combination with Win Shares you can probably come up with a number, but would it be of much use (what with WS not being accepted in all corners of the game)? If you win a World Series, then you obviously make it back. If you made the playoffs, you made back some of the money. If you upped your attendance or season ticket sales, then you made some back. Frankly, I doubt that teams use ROI in a traditional sense on player salaries. I'd be interested if anybody has any inside info on the subject.

Unbalanced Schedule -- Yankees/Red Sox games are big bucks for everyone. This is simultaneously the reason MLB (and FOX) want them, and the reason why other teams should fight against letting those two teams hog all the money. The more those two teams play one another, the more revenue stays in the AL East. The long-term net of the unbalanced schedule is to make strong divisions stronger and weak divisions weaker. New ballparks have started magnifying this effect, and it's going to get much worse before it gets better unless they get this straightened out. Ditching the unbalanced schedule is a first step back toward parity. Either than, or create an AL Wealth division in which the Red Sox and Yankees play one another 162 times each season. Whichever one doesn't win the division is automatically the Wild Card.

Trade Joe Nathan -- I see the reasoning. His value is pretty high, and his upside is rapidly shrinking. But that would be a sad day. His presence is one of the things which really defines this team. Gardy had to rely on him too much in September. By the playoffs, he was out of gas, and facing a team that seems to have his number. Whatever you want to say about Nathan, the lack of solid starters and solid setup men is what did him in.

Fire Gardy -- This would be stupid. Bill Smith handed Gardy a box of spare parts and said, "Go at it." Gardy won the division. He's not perfect (fielding and hitting skills are not mutually exclusive), but there are some great baseball minds out there who think he's the best manager in baseball. I'm not qualified to make that judgment, but I'm inclined to agree.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM by Rick 162

AL Manager of the Year - Gardy
NL Manager of the Year - Jim Tracy

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 163


The wind veil isn't even close to being installed. I was there acound of days ago and there was barely a bit of scaffolding hanging from the top of the B ramp. And it's not even clear that that's for the veil.

The mosaic artwork on 5th is much smaller than I';d imagined. It's easy to miss. I think it's very cool, but I imagined it to be bigger.

It seems that Target is getting some of its branding in the signage. The "Tickets" signage style just screams, "Target." It's not horrible, but the connection is hard to miss.

The gates are all sporting a TC monogram now.

There's really not much to see by walking around anymore. It's all closed in. I'm waiting for the plaza to open up. It seems like they ought to be able to do that relatively soon. We don't need to wait for the whole park to be finished. But my guess is they won't do it until spring. Pity.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM by David (aka David) Highlight this comment 164

That new stadium seat on the Bay went for $717!

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 5:27 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 165

As always Rick, thanks for hosting this incredible website for all the fans. It is wonderful!

Now, why you suck...or, misguided. Well, only in certain areas, since I agree with others. Ok, you don't suck :) :)

Salary Cap -- Though I agree the with the Vikings that I feel like I'm cheering for laundry (I think that is a Souchery quote), some system where you can designate franchise players and go over and beyond caps to keep "the face of the franchise" I think can work. However, Florida, Tampa, Pittsburgh, or KC will have to die first before this would be considered, and I think it is interesting that the NFL might go the other way (to the players benefit and owners detriment ironically).

Wind Veil -- I have no opinion on the public art, other than I hope I like it.

Twins Payroll -- The Pohlads have taken a business approach and have been explicit about it. They will spend X% of revenues on baseball operations. Though I wish they would spend as outrageously as other dumb owners, how can I fault them? Some years they make a profit, but they also have the risk of years like 1972-85, or 1993-1999. That's business. We should be very glad we have committed local owners that have given us 5 division champs this decade.

Unbalanced Schedule -- Well, I guess I disagree. I like the rivalries and getting to know and hate players in our division. And, for every game with the Red Sox and Yankees, remember you get one with Oakland and Baltimore. I hated Oakland in the Western division...that was 15 years ago. Now I don't care.

Trade Joe Nathan -- Though I think he is on the end of his career and has value now, we better have a solution in mind if we trade him. All great closers blow 3-5 saves a year. Those are just the games we remember. Not having a closer is not an option.

Fire Gardy -- I can't believe anyone would suggest this. I think he had his best season ever this year. This is an incredible run in his tenure, and he has mixed and matched players as well as anyone. I'd also say Bill Smith came through as well. You should not win the division when your top pitcher and #4 hitter both go down. They did.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 6:16 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 166

I really don't care alot for the first three. But my thoughts on the last three:

Unbalanced Schedule - Really, can we finish a season playing someone OTHER than the damn Royals? Holy Christmas, it seems like we play them every other week. Incidentally, and I know all of you know this, but we closed the Dome era with the Royals, and we also closed out the Met against the Royals. Personally, I think they should drop the Interleague Schedule, and intermingle National League/American League games throughout the season, not just a couple select weekends. JMPO.

Trade Joe Nathan - I can't say the thought didn't cross my mind Sunday night. We love the guy, I know...but he really blew some good ones this year. Linc had it right though, we better have a really good solution if that is in fact the route we take.

Fire Gardy - That thought crossed my mind as well on Sunday night. It feels like we're the 90's Cleveland Indians in the 2000's. Cleveland won a boat-load of Division Championships in the 90's - but no World Championships. They were there - 1995 and 1997 but lost to the Braves and Marlins respectively. The Twins have won a boat-load of Division Championships in the 2000's under Gardy, but ends in disappointment, and no World Series. I'll just leave it at that.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 6:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 167

Program update:

There is new information about renting various areas of Bullseye Ballpark. Included are the Legends Club, Plaza, and Roof Deck. With links to 3D perspectives on the Metropolitan and Legend Clubs. I adore the taps and many bottles in the bar areas... much more colorful than the Sun Room.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 7:53 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 168

I want to comment on the discussion about doing away with the unbalanced schedule. I think major league should adopt more of a balance scheduled. My proposal would work like this. Each American League team would play each National League team for a series (3 games) each year. That way every other year, you can see in person every National League team come to Target Field. Or if you wanted to visit a National League field to see the Twins, you could go to a particular ballpark every other year. That would be a total of 48 games (16 teams times 3 games every year). Each American League team you would do a home and away (6 games per team). That would total 78 games (13 teams times 6 = 78 games). Also you would have one additional series (3 games) versus your National League rival Cubs/White Sox, etc. That way you can have a home and away with your rival. The remaining 33 games would go against division rivals for a total of 59 division games or an average of about 15 games per division team. With my schedule, you would get to see every National League team every other year, each American league team once each year, and each division team twice each year. Since there is more National League teams than American league, you wouldn't have quite as many divisional games in National League but still have a lot of divisional games. Seeing a team more than two series a season seems to get a little much. Less division games mean more games against other teams a person may have a interest in seeing.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 8:51 PM by Lor Highlight this comment 169

It's been stated before, and I'll say it again - like it or not, the unbalanced schedule ain't goin' anywhere. Click my name to see how MLB loves their Yankees/Red Sox match-ups... They don't care if you're sick of 'em, they're not (and they've got enough friends who aren't either).

Oh, and to further prove my point: click here

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 9:21 PM by Goober Highlight this comment 170

No intention to thread jack this or anything, but I noticed Harmon Killebrew signing books out on the plaza before the "final game" on Sunday, October 4. I tried to find out what book it was but the crowds were just ridiculous. I know it was something related to one of the Twins' ballparks.

Does anyone know what book that was and how much it cost? I would like to find one online if possible for the holidays. Thanks!

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 9:51 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 171

I can't say for sure, but it was likely the brand new Twins at the Met. It's a beautiful book. $25 at Amazon, and worth every single penny.

(Even cooler if you were lucky enough to get Harmon to sign it!)

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM by Rick 172

Thanks Rick! I bet that is indeed the book.

Posted on October 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 173

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Event Level

An escalator was going in the day I was there.

I took this picture just moments before Morneau's homer landed almost exactly where I had been standing. If only I hadn't wanted to watch the game...

The green is a composite of the topmost seating areas in the new ballpark. The gray is a scale diagram of the Metrodome.

Plaza overview

Fabulous Fantasy

Did you know that the out-of-town scoreboard is covered by a black chain 1ink fence?

I didn't check the menu too closely, but it looks like all the standard fare is available, and not much of the non-standard stuff.

Puckett atrium menu part 2 (Those prices match elsewhere in the ballpark.)

Pawlenty makes it official!

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Train. (What is it about baseball and trains?)

That is pretty close... (Grandstand)

Viewed from another angle, you can see that the bullpens now sit beneath the upper deck outfield seating.

Looking from near the entry doors toward the center, the atrium is just visible at the far right.

Tony Oliva, R. T. Rybak and Mike Opat

A sharp-eyed reader caught me trying to make the best of a bad situation with my SP-570UZ on Sunday afternoon

This view, through a B ramp window, won't last forever.

Hit gap, win suit!

These guys were there, but it wasn't any of you, right?

Another classic space in the making above the Hrbek gate.

I realized I've never shown how the walkway over Seventh Street meets the A ramp

Looking toward the Farmer's Market site from the balcony of the 573 Club at TF

Checking out the bike racks on the promenade.

The view from the upper concourse.

Clyde Doepner's Met Stadium Memorabilia (Source: LP)

Banners on the parking ramp are a great touch. They help manage scale and turn a lemon into lemonade. On my way there today I passed the WCCO building and remembered how the Twins schedule used to be painted in giant form on the side of that building (which is no longer visible). Wouldn't that be a great thing to resurrect on the side of that ramp? A giant Twins schedule. I always thought that was cool.

The big glove will go on that circle. Note the gap between the plaza and the ramp. That's 394 you can see through there.

Two concepts here remain in the final design. First is the oddly-shaped pavilion in center. Second is the section just above the right field fence. In the current design this section will hang over the field by a few feet. The original doesn't do that, but you can see that the concept goes way back in the planning.

Here is Seventh Street viewed from the west looking toward downtown. This will probably be the most pedestrian-friendly side (other than the plaza), but only if there is some psychological barrier between the people on foot and the people in their dangerously fast-moving automobiles.

The back row of seats in straight-away center. Note that, beyond those seats, you can see the planters (for flowers) on the front of the Left Field Bleachers.(Batters Eye)


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HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

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Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
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