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April 7, 2009 3:30 AM

You say low, I say high.
You say Dome, and I say Sky, Sky Sky!
Oh, no!
You say the Dome, and I say the Sky.
(Apologies to Paul McCartney)

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Ah, Metrodome, we've come to give you 81 last kicks in your pale, puffed up butt. Should be fun.

The Twins are highlighting the 100 greatest moments in the Dome's baseball history. That's a great idea, and I'd certainly buy the coffee table edition of that collection. But I wonder if I can come up with 81 things about the Dome that I will not miss. Let's find out, shall we?

Thing I Won't Miss #1: The sound system is more likely to deafen you than the sound of the crowd cheering.

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Terrible day for the web site to be out, eh? I got no explanation from the hosting company, which is generally quite reliable. Could have been a traffic spike, maybe not. Could have been hardware, maybe not. All they would say is that they didn't do it intentionally. Cold comfort, that.

Could have been some sort of poetic justice, capturing in advance what would be seen from the team on the field tonight: a whole lot of nothing.

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B&A. The folks. (Look for B at the MIA, and A at the Guthrie.)

I was there with my parents (yes, I'm 45 years old and my mom still gets the tickets for me -- sometimes) in section 233 (thank you, Target free ticket give-away, but because you gave away these godawful seats, I am prevented from complaining about the crick in my neck at about the 45-degrees to the right point) and saw the whole thing, or the whole nothing, if you will.

Red Dog pumped a little fire into the veins, but it dissipated pretty quickly into a Morneau double-play.

But it wasn't any one thing. They just didn't look good. Jet-lagged or something. My dad quoted my grandfather, a Twins die-hard in the 60s (now, alas, long gone): "They don't have the right Combination Of The Elements tonight." Amen to that. (Dad revealed another of grandpa's favorite quotes when the Twins were doing well: "They're playing like Triplets!")

Is Joe Mauer now the heart of this team? Because tonight they played like their heart was on the DL.

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20 minutes to get from our seat to the street. Miss this place? Nah.

Who the hell was that band out on the plaza? They were amazing. The horns. The vocals. The organ. The guitarist playing fire with a frozen claw. The drumming. The expertly mixed sound. All perfect. And the girls...woo hoo! (Bands: Always put up a sign with your name. Also, confidential to KQRS: Your portable PA sucks. Tinny sounding. Too loud. Not high enough off the ground. People were actively avoiding it -- and your booth.)

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Name that band. Please. (Mick Sterling)

It was cold out there on the plaza. I admit it. I'd probably have thought twice if this had been an outdoor game (though I would have still bundled up and gone). But the sun was spectacular.

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Across town, earlier in the day, Noah and I took a quick skyway tour.

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More pix tomorrow.

This afternoon there was a great moment out on 35W. I was driving north and came up behind a very nice red Cadillac tricked out with Twins stickers on the back bumper. Nice ones. Looked like they'd been professionally applied. As I passed, the visor was down on the driver's side, but I could make out that the driver was on the phone, and he looked a whole lot like...Dave St. Peter!

Play ball! (Really, guys. Play ball.)

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If nothing else the opening game proved one thing; those retro jerseys are awesome! Didn't want to shell $200 for one, but now I might have to.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 04:36 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 1

mick sterling

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 05:29 AM by the music snob Highlight this comment 2

Hit the plaza for breakfast! free dome dogs, the real ones not hot dogs must admit it was nice i got my hands on 4 of them lol

Kevin are you sitting down? click my name to see the new mascot for the Twins....im sorry in advance.

yes i agree that the game was fun but lacked hitting and we missed Mauer... I am going 2night hopefully a better outcome.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 08:14 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 3

That game was pathetic. I cannot even find a bright spot to mention. And the fact that the NC-MSU game was also a total dud left for some lame channel hopping. Although the difference in the NCAA game on CBS in HD vs. the Twins on Channel Crap in Standard Def was monumental. There is no reason to not have all of the Twins games in HD!!! To quote Dusty Baker after the Reds lost to the Mets yesterday, "There are 161 more". And there had better be a better effort than last night in about 159 of them.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 08:27 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 4

Please tell me that is a bad late April Fools joke Maz!

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 08:37 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 5

Maz, say it ain't so!! Spuds McKenzie was so 1988.

But seriously, every time I take someone from out of town to a TWolves games they ask why the mascot is a giant rat. Now I'm going to have to explain why MPLS mascots are a giant gray rat and a big white mouse. Horrible.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 08:43 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 6

Wow...nothing warms a Minnesotan's heart like a shot of Doom and Gloom. Honestly, it's ridiculous. Last night was one game. ONE GAME!!! And some of you are already acting like the whole season is a huge disappointment! Good grief, people. If you react this strongly to every game this season you'll need a lot more than malox to get through it...try anti-depressants, blood thinners, and a defibrillator.

For crying out loud...do we really have to start with the pessimism after one game?

GO TWINS!!!

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 08:55 AM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 7

No Joke , his name is "Bullseye" hes the Target dog!

i think hes cute and fun for the kids, but we have TC the bear for that and i think he does a good job!

its basiclly a walking Target ad.. his jearsy # is 10

as in 2010....

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 09:02 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 8

Last time i checked the Timberwolves mascot was "Crunch" and he is a wolf. Funny lookin rat to me.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 09:40 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 9

Personally, I think mascots have no place in baseball. After the KGB Chicken (aka San Diego Chicken) all others are pale, boring imitations. The bar was set way too high too early.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 09:43 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 10

come on Vikeologist, you can not deny that "Crunch" looks like a big rat costume. the costume designer missed the mark on that one, as well as on the T Wolves unis. Twins have far and away the best logos, colors and unis in town. It seems a lot of post 1990 expansion teams have horrible uniforms -- they try too hard with the colors and details when simple wins everytime. Need I site the Mighty Ducks or the OC Thunder?

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 11

The only thing close to a baseball mascot that i enjoy are the Milwaukee sausages that race. That's what I like to see: 4 meatheads running down the field knocking each other over.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 12

There is nothing wrong with mascots. However, I was hoping TC would have driven his ATV over Bullseye last night.

Then T.C. Bear should have grabbed the mike and said: "Bullseye, I served with Spuds McKenzie: I knew Spuds McKenzie; Spuds McKenzie was a friend of mine. Bullseye, you're no Spuds McKenzie!"

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM by Bullseyesucks Highlight this comment 13

For all you roof enthusiasts I went to the Astros game last night and it was about 70 degrees with great sunshine at the start of the game and they started with the roof open and then closed it after the opening ceremonies. If 70 degrees and beautiful doesn't warrant an open air game I don't know what does. I also noticed more notable flaws with minute maid park that we should be glad we don't have at TF like poles obstructing views in the upper deck, completely outdated scoreboard, limited food selection and it's not very good, and a roof keeping us from fresh air. It's funny, people started booing when they closed the roof.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 12:14 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 14

The only mascot needed in the Twin Cities is Goldy Gopher. All others should be abolished.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 15

This is a great website. I really appreciate all the contributions that people make on a daily basis! Thanks!

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 12:45 PM by Steve from STC Highlight this comment 16

Wow I thought Rick had banned me yesterday for undisclosed reasons. I kept getting the "You are forbidden from accessing this site". I bet it was due to a large spike in traffic (pretty soon we'll see pics of Rick with his Daunte Culpepper coat aka the one made out of 100 dollar bills). Lots of Twins enthusiasm and Dick/Bert talked about Target Field about every 3rd sentence during the game.

Today is like Christmas Day two days in a row. White Sox/Royals now, then Giants/Brewers and Red Sox/Rays at 3pm followed by a full slate of games tonight. Man I love this week which concludes with the greatest golf tournament on the planet.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 1:07 PM by Max Highlight this comment 17

Someone on Minnescraper photoshopped a pic of the Multifoods Tower a.k.a sh*tstack. It looks so much better in red. (click link)

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 18

Goldy Gopher is a thirteen-lined ground squirrel. So that gives us a rat, a mouse, and a squirrel. I can just feel the fear in visiting teams.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 19

Man I love this site. I was very frustrated yesterday not being able to check out this site. I concur with Steve from STC, I also appreciate what everyone has to say. Rick, you've done a wonderful job with this site. GO TWINS! Cant wait until 2010!

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Brad Highlight this comment 20

What we need to get rid of is the RED CAPs (Bad Luck)

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM by dave Highlight this comment 21

The twins mascot TC serves a purpose for the little kids. Baseball games can be rather boring for a toddler after the initial excitement wears off they've eaten the obligatory concessions. The twins previous attempts at mascots, twinkie the loon and those two guys who walked around the stands in those inflated "twins" costumes were misfires to say the least.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 2:41 PM by tim Highlight this comment 22

Last night, more than any night before, reinforced the need for the new stadium. The crowds inside were absolutely terrible, what will be nice is the concourses will be wider, there will be more of them, with a smaller capacity, which should help tremendously. You say it was 20 minutes leaving the dome. (I'm really glad I left with two outs left in the bottom of the ninth.) At least 95% of the people are going on one direction. And you don't have a concessions line that reaches all the way to the wall. You absolutely could not move whatsoever, I think it took me like 45 minutes to head down behind home plate and back to my nosebleeds before the game yesterday, terrible.

As for Bullseye, he'll serve the purpose. The kids'll love him, and he's cute enough the mom's will be "Ohhhh look how cute he is" I mean at least it will be better than the fans doing the wave when we're down by five last night.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 23

I like that Multifoods tower in Red. Anything but a building that looks like the color of puke.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 24

I agree with Dave. Those red caps have been horrible luck for the Twins in the past and last night was further evidence. NO MORE RED CAPS! We can't afford to lose every Saturday game.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 25

I agree the multifoods tower looks better in red but it seems like it wouldn't age very well in that color.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 4:06 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 26

this week would have been amazing for outdoor baseball...

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 4:53 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 27

Is the final color of the top of the canopy going to be different than what it is now or is it just going to have that gray aluminum look to it?

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 5:05 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 28

I am betting that the top of the canopy will be the same white as the other roofs. The underside is the champagne color.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 6:28 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 29

what is the wall going to look like behind homeplate? is it going to be limestone or brick?

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 30

Its going to be limestone. Probably similar to the limestone that has been installed out in left field at the base of the admin building.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 7:37 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 31

Testing 1 2 3 Testing...Try clicking my name for Pat Neshek's take on leaving the Metrodome for Target Field next year.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM by Max Highlight this comment 32

That didn't work. Let's try it again...

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM by Max Highlight this comment 33

thanks for the link, Max. very interesting. I know I've been so excited about the new place that I haven't stopped to think about the players' perspective.

I have to admit there are some truths there that I don't really like thinking about. Neshek seemed worried about losing the home field advantage the Metrodome has - saying other teams are afraid to play there.

I think Target Field is going to be plenty intimidating. What I worry about is attracting free agents. It's the same stuff the Wolves deal with. Players hear "Minnesota" and the first (and sometimes only) thing on their mind is one word: cold. It's lame and unfair, but like I said, it's an uncomfortable truth.

Here's hoping words like amenities, comfort, top 5 ballpark, great atmosphere and championship caliber replace "cold" as what people think when they hear Minnesota Twins.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 8:53 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 34

Pat Neshek is a total wuss. I seriously doubt many of the players feel that way. At least I hope that is the case.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 9:23 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 35

The cold wont be a factor in signing free agents, because we don't sign any free agents that are worth a damn.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 9:28 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 36

It's easy to see Neshek's point of view (even while reading on retina-scarring black letters on a red background!), and it's interesting to hear how one player sees things.

But frankly, the Dome's home-field advantages are all artificial, and I doubt that players on other teams are actually "scared" of the Dome. I believe that they hate it, but I'd bet it's because the game just isn't The Game in that place.

It's some sort of pinball-machine-slash-snow-globe version of baseball, and the Twins should be (and I believe are) embarrassed to make other teams play it (but not so embarrassed that they won't take advantage of it, of course).

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM by Rick 37

OK Now...1-1...what a win baby!! Go Denard and Alexi!!
And Neskek Sucks!

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:01 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 38

here are some pictures of target field with a few of tcf bank mixed in taken on saturday. (i hope this link works)

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:12 PM by pawelk12 Highlight this comment 39

by the way, if you go and look at target field, try to avoid the security guard at the parking ramp. he told us we weren't allowed to be there and cameras are not legal.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:14 PM by pawelk12 Highlight this comment 40

Thanks pawelk some really great shots in there, I like the shots of TCF as well, not enough of them out there. Anyways as far as security goes, I haven't had an issue, I guess I'll just have to keep an eye out, won't stop shooting until someone tells me to. Hope you had fun Maz, exciting game, glad I was able to get home from work to at least see the end.

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 41

pawelk12, you werent in a trailblazer by any chance were you? standing on the back of the trailblazer on the top level of the parking ramp?

Also, how can security stop you from parking in a public ramp, and taking pictures of a public buidling from the outside? If that is the case, that is a total joke!

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 42

Nice shots Pawelk, dont worry about the guards, its not ileagal to take pics of construction site from the outside, its not like it is the pentagon, it is a ballpark for gods sake, one YOU are paying for, keep it up!!!!

Max,

had a blast! met about 6 of the folks around us in sec 100 row 3 that also have the 20 game pack and will be there all the games we will!

I have a few to many maybe and was heackaling LF Chavez a bit but all in good fun!

next game sat in chicago, then back monday @ the dome I have a busy week... i am taking ppictures of all ballpark food we buy this year and maybe if anyone is out there as dorky as me wenit cmes to ballparks i will post them...

Thanks again Rick for the awsome site for us twins/ballpak fans!

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 43

really random question, but i will ask anyways. this is a serious question. does anyone know of a good DWI lawyer in washington county or the east metro of st. paul? it is not for myself but for a family member who is getting royaly screwed by the law right now. screwed big time on a technicality. any help would be appreciated.

thanks,
Beta

Posted on April 7, 2009 at 11:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 44

Any idea what the expected plans for the "Out of Town" scoreboard will be like? Also, are we to assume that the wall color of the outfield walls are green, or has there been confirmation of something else?

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 12:05 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 45

Talking mascots, Goldy does well but I think the Vikings' mascot (the old, hairy dude) should be kept also. I mean, how much better does it get than some old dude blowing on a horn every time the Vikings score? And Crunch's numbers are by far better than Bullseye's. 99 1/5 (WLOL--which ironically has chat-board connotations today that nobody would understand 20 years ago) and even K-DWEEB 101.3 is better than "10" (has it changed since then, I've been away from MN for a while?). They should have just made it "2010" or better yet, scrapped the idea all together. Bullseye, you look stupid.

Again, to everyone that posts pictures of TF (and even TCF Bank)--love 'em, thanks!!

And finally, we pulled out a close one tonight! Let's hope they're not all like this for our health's sake. (BTW, is it sad or cute the way the M's celebrated their opening day win. I figure they aren't expecting too many of those for this season--but Griffey does look good back in a Seattle uniform.)

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 01:30 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 46

Oh, Chuck. You HAVE been gone a long time...

99.5 has been classical public radio for a couple of decades. There's no such thing as "Almost Perfect Radio" anymore...

WLOL is a low power station from the exurban area that almost nobody has heard of. (I don't even know where it is on the dial.)

And, for what it's worth, John Hines has been spinning country records since the first Clinton term...

I bet there are a lot of such "culture" changes that might surprise you...

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 01:40 AM by Rick 47

More pics Rick more pics!!!!

Posted on April 8, 2009 at 01:49 AM by Max Highlight this comment 48

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Posted on April 22, 2009 at 7:41 PM by The Crippler Highlight this comment 49


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Also from the B ramp entrance off of Third, a look up at the tiny crack between ballpark and parking ramp



Emergency access viewed in context



This is the LRT bridge under construction as viewed from the east looking west. The ballpark facade would be at the left in this photo.



This mural is behind the staircase. The window looks onto the promenade, and the door goes to a kitchen.



Lower deck view of the out-of-town scoreboard.



A view straight on of the Pro Shop area and ticket windows (just barely visible). The piers you see beneath the plaza are already almost completed (see final photo).



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Town Ball Tavern balcony



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Night (about the 7th inning)



It was in and then quickly out of his glove. You gotta make that play.






Met Stadium on May 17, 1975 (Twins vs. Brewers featuring Hank Aaron)









Nearby, workers are finishing a support column. The guy at the bottom is using some sort of personal dirt mover (inset). Very cool.



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I took this picture just moments before Morneau's homer landed almost exactly where I had been standing. If only I hadn't wanted to watch the game...



Very nice Admin glass.












Reasonable (if not overly generous) leg room






Met Stadium seat colors (click for the complete image)



Uh oh. Schizophrenia.






Dan Kenney provided this alternate shot of a walkway behind the view level



Gate 29 "Carew" is at right.












Through the windows of the Metropolitan Club you can see one of the displays of Met Stadium memorabilia.






Believe it or not, the actual outfield wall will be about where this fence is now!






The Northstar circulation building is starting to take shape.






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Plaza seating installation






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