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July 12, 2008 12:33 AM

This is getting serious. Reports in the comments for yesterday's entry have yielded stories about people accosted by security through the speaker in a parking ramp elevator, as well as being told by actual security guards to move along.


Viewed from the sidewalk on Seventh Street. No skyway infringement needed.

I've never experienced that, and I hope I never do. Frankly, it's very unsavory for both the city of Minneapolis and the Minnesota Twins. If the policy has actually been changed, a very big mistake is being made. I'm quite sure that the team is not behind it, and perhaps better do something -- quickly -- before their new prized location gets a very black mark against it.

My guess is that the team wants every fan in Twins Territory to come by and take a look, and maybe snap a picture. That's the best way to encourage ongoing excitement among the fan base. Chasing people off -- as if they are criminals -- for taking a peek is a pretty good way to ice the fan base. Chase the die-hard ballpark geeks off and the insult gets amplified pretty quickly.

Let me expand just a little bit on what I said yesterday. Keeping people from sleeping in the skyways is a Very Good Thing. Likewise, keeping panhandlers moving toward the exit is wise.

Musicians may be a gray area. If they're good, no problem. That's a really warm and welcome part of the culture. But if they're bad and it's just a fancy panhandling act, well that probably shouldn't be tolerated. Of course, they can't send music critics out to sort through them, but there's a common sense principle which applies.

Unfortunately, security policies often eschew common sense for rigidity and fearfulness. Those who are making these decisions (and their legal counsel) need to take a collective deep breath and come in off the ledge.

When it comes to skyway security, baseball fans are relatively benign. They come down past Target Center because they are curious and excited. Why would anyone want to stop that?


I'm happy to report that I have now booked my Shea Stadium/Yankee Stadium Farewell Tour! I'll be seeing both parks on the weekend of September 13 in a whirlwind 39-hour escapade. Of course, I'll be bringing my camera so you all can join in the fun.


I mentioned this last week in the comments, but my beloved Olympus C-2100UZ camera developed some dead pixels on its sensor after six years and about 16,000 photographs (many of the ballpark site). If you look closely, images from the past six weeks have a green dot near the center. We can't have that!

The new camera, the Olympus SP-570UZ, is finally here, and I'll be taking it down to the site sometime next week (hopefully not to be shooed away by a misguided security policy).


Here are a few recent images from the dying camera. Sorry about the dot (minimized on these images by reducing resolution and increasing compression), but the images of the steel work on the plaza are really worth it.



The plaza as seen from the B ramp.


Serious home dugout work in progress.


Now we know what the English phone booths were for...


Work on the pavilion in center.


Viewed from an A ramp elevator lobby.


Steps, skyway, and plaza intersect.


From the ground beneath the troubled skyway.


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Thanks for the pics Rick, and risking national security in the process.

Have fun in NYC. Yankee Stadium is wonderful but make sure you're up to date on your tetanus booster before you walk into Shea.

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 1

wow i missed alot when i was out of town friday!

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 2


thanks for the new pics.

btw - from past entries it sounds like you have a couple contacts within the twins organization itself. have you - or have you considered - dropping them a quick note about some of the overzealousness of the skyway security you have experienced personally - and heard about from others - to see if they can chat with the parties involved to "tone it down a bit" when obvious twins fans are just stopping by to take a peek at the new ballpark?

to your point above it would be unfortunate - even though it doesn't have much to do with the city of minneapolis or the twins themselves - if the unfounded, somewhat over-the-top concerns of a few private security guards ruin it for the many. some of who may be considering becoming future season ticket holders.

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 3

Another good point to make is that a majority of this ballpark project is being funded by us, the taxpayers in Hennepin County, or anyone else who spends money in Hennepin County. We should be entitled to take pictures and get some glimpses of this great project if we so choose. We always hear that this is "Minnesota's Ballpark", well than, let the people of Minnesota and the fans of the Twins take pictures and catch a glimpse if they so choose.

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 4

I have 63 construction pictures from yesterday but there is currently a programing error in google picasa uploader. As soon as it is fixed I will upload the photos and share. I head to the site about once a week and it seems like every time I go down there there are more and more's crazy busy at the site. The security guard thing amazes me too...I bet I have been to the site over 50 times and have never even seen a security guard.

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 3:02 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 5

I read a comment made in an article on the Minnesota Independent blog(click on the name for it) thinking that because the Repbulican National Convention is coming up, this is probably the reason for the heightened surveillance.

Then again, I've been by the site recently(in the skyway, of course) and have never been asked to move along. Same goes for when I'm at the far western elevator complex at the A ramp.

Hopefully, Minneapolis will wise up when the convention ends and we can get back to gawking at the construction site.

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 4:20 PM by Pikachu732001 Highlight this comment 6

Is it just me, or is this thing taking a REALLY frickin' long time to build??

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 5:58 PM by Impatient Highlight this comment 7

No way! I think this is going up REALLY fast!

Posted on July 12, 2008 at 6:16 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 8

you're right on, rick. the way to handle their concern about security is not scolding from behind a monitor; security "on the street" is always the best deterrent.

dsp will make a call tonight after reading this i'm sure.

before i go: who EVER thought scott baker would actually mature into a reliable pitcher worth keeping? i for one did not.

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 9

Looking at the current Webcam picture and looking at the archives, it would appear that the rightfield tower crane has been taken down.

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 09:11 AM by Mo Highlight this comment 10

You cant judge Bakers career after his rookie season he showed promise that year to with a shut out in yankee stadium.

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 11:34 AM by Brett Favre Highlight this comment 11

wow! i didn't realize that brett favre read twinsballpark2010....

hi brett

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 8:35 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 12

construction pics from Friday...enjoy

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 13

Way to go, MOJO! Those are great.


Posted on July 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM by Rick 14

I almost forgot: Did anybody hassle you in the skyway?

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM by Rick 15

no...still haven't been hassled.

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 16

Rick...feel free to use any of my pics...if you want.

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 17

Twins ask Seattle about Beltre.

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM by bmd Highlight this comment 18

Thank you MOJO! I will be there in a month and cannot wait to see it in person.

Posted on July 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 19

Nice job MOJO, thank you. It looks like limestone time is near!!

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 08:02 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 20

Thanks MOJO!!! Those are awesome!

bmd - wouldn't it be great if we were to acquire him before the next series starts?!

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 10:42 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 21

I can't believe we're even talking about the Twins aquiring Beltre. Isn't he a 10-15 million a year player? Keep dreaming folks (I'll join you)!

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 11:27 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 22

Construction Photos from the Ballpark Authority are available for the month of July 08.

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 12:56 PM by Mo Highlight this comment 23

Long time reader, first time poster. The topic of player statues versus numbers in front of the new stadium gates has been discussed before. In my opinion, after watching the Twins series at Comerica Park I don't think the statues of players idea would fit with the overall design scheme of the new Twins stadium. I believe the player's numbers give the new stadium a more distinct and progressive feel that fits better with the cosmopolitan design of the new stadium.

Also, I was thinking that the plaza and possibly some other areas of the ballpark need some sort of water feature. A fountain mixed in with the trees and flower beds of some sort would be a great addition to the main plaza. It would make for a more welcoming entrance and create more of a "urban park" experience. It would also build around the water theme that is now currently represented by the glass being used thoughout the park. Any ideas.

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 1:25 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 24

its a urban ballpark in a urban area, whats with everybody trying to make it even more urban as if that is possable, if you to too much then it will look tacky and look like they tried to hard at making it a urban ballpark... the ballpark is fine.... its urban, now the area around the park needs some development and it will grow... just think when wrigly was built i doubt the hood looks the same as it did now it had to evolve into what they have today....

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 1:57 PM by JOEY Highlight this comment 25

Jeff, I completely agree about the numbers versus the statues. They feel much more modern and aren't done at every ballpark in the country. The statues are cool, but almost every team has them. Has anyone heard if the Twins will have statues of the former greats?

I too am surprised that there won't be much water at the park.

Is anyone else disappointed by the Ballpark Authority construction pics? Do we really need to see close-ups of conduit, rebar, pipes, and random construction equipment? The details will be cool to look at once the facade, bleachers, and concourse get close to complete, but for now I prefer seeing the "big picture" pics that Rick and MOJO have been taking.

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 2:01 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 26

um, yea, agreed there. close up pics of construction equipment? i don't need to see a stack of pipe. are they starting the exterior limestone work today? i don't have access to the webcam at the moment.

oh, and i like the numbers to mark the entrances, it's fits the park's design.

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 2:09 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 27

To be honest I don’t even look at the Twins or the Ballpark auth. photo's... I just look at Ricks and MOJO's and others on this site... The Twins and the Ballpark authority has really taken the fans for granted I think when it comes to keeping us informed and stuff, even DSP blog updates don’t tell me anything new from what I already heard before he prints it. As much as I hate to say it sometimes I feel like once they got the go ahead with groundbreaking they left us in the dark.. I hope it’s just my paranoia but I guess I will see in 2010 when we see the team they will field...

So thanks again to Rick, MOJO and others for helping us out.. I have only been to the site 3 times and it has been about 2 months since I have been so the pics are appreciated!

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 2:18 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 28

Aside from the fact that it's already designed and under construction, I don't think you'll see a water feature in the plaza because of the fact that it's on top of a freeway. That's not prohibitive, but it certainly adds to the cost. I think greenery will do just fine.

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 3:11 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 29

I guess I should change my name... OG Jeff it is...

A water feature would be cool, but its my personal opinion that this park has a ton of character as it stands. I like the idea of the numbers - if they pull it off right. It would be cool to see other materials different than cement. Maybe glass or steel? Either way, we're going to see lots of cool updates over the next few months...the progress is really picking up.

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 6:09 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 30

It's not your paranoia. The Twins have completely dropped the ball when it comes to their "DEDICATED" ballpark webpage. We're lucky to get a blog update from DSP more than once a month and we're even luckier if it has anything new or noteworthy. Much of what he posts is news we've already heard or read from other sources and the other stuff he writes is thank you notes to his boss and politicians. Hmmmm, we were supposed to have that 2nd webcam when???? I remember when Cleveland was building Browns Stadium. They had 3 real time cams with weekly pictures from inside the action. From Mojo's pics you can see a lot has been going on in center field and right field, but with the one lone webcam from the shitstack, you can't see any of it. Whatever money the Twins are spending on employing whomever is supposed to run that website, it's a waste! Rick and MOJO have done a far better job than the Twins have. Put the 2 of them on the payroll please!

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 7:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 31

To be fair, at least we have a webcam. Both of the new NY stadiums don't have a single webcam, and the pics on their websites are updated less than ours. I don't even think Citi Field had a model of their ballpark. Plus, fans weren't allowed to attend the groundbreaking ceremonies.

With that said, I agree with you guys. The Twins could be doing a much better job. You'd think they'd give us more updates considering this park is funded with public subsidies. Thankfully we have this site and a couple of forums to view pics and discuss the progress.

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 8:22 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 32

Does anybody know if the new ballpark is in line to host an upcoming all star game?

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 9:25 PM by Lindy Highlight this comment 33

i heard 2014 at the earliest

Posted on July 14, 2008 at 9:43 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 34

2014 is what they are gunning for and bud will grant it ... man would that be a hot ticket in this town....

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 07:54 AM by mazaratirrick Highlight this comment 35

This is from Urbanowl at Minnescraper. This was posted on that site yesterday.
"First exterior precast is now underway on the seventh steet side of the building. Looks good up close."
I got to see this, I'll get down there this weekend. IF I can get my stupid camera to work I'll get some pics.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 07:54 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 36

What a disgrace!!

Hey State Farm, His name is Justin!! Not Jason. Hey Erin Andrews, instead of making a stupid looking face, correct him and say, "Hey Pencilneck, his name is JUSTIN!"

Josh Hamilton is a great story, but guess what ESPN....HE DIDN'T WIN!!!! If you don't like the rules, change them.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 09:13 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 37

So is anyone going to take pics on the site today? We'd love to see the stone go up.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 38

I'm picking up a new camera tonight. If it's still light out I'll take it over for a couple test shots.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 12:12 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 39

talk about the skyway right i have been down there too been push aside too.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM by tomeko Highlight this comment 40

Jon, I agree with your point, but in all due respect to Justin Morneau for "winning" the derby, Josh Hamilton stole the show. People are going to remember this 2008 Home Run Derby for Josh Hamilton's amazing performance in round 1, not necessarily for Justin Morneau winning it. I am glad Justin won it, but this will be much more remembered for Josh Hamilton's performance in Round 1.

Similar to Lance Berkman's show he put on in 2004 in his own ballpark in Houston even though Miguel Tejada won the derby.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 1:11 PM by Lincoln Thompson Highlight this comment 41

Has anyone been able to see the limestone going up yet?

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM by Dave Meyer Highlight this comment 42

Lincoln, I know that is what people will remember and kudos to Hamilton, But ESPN could've handled it with a lot more tact, in my opinion.

I just feel bad for Justin, it was almost like ESPN was annoyed that he won. Those elitest snobs out east can take yankee stadium and shove it for all I care!!

WAY TO GO JUSTIN, we are all proud of you here in our tiny little midwestern state. All 5 million of us!

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 1:50 PM by Jon Highlight this comment 43

ESPN is the McDonalds of sports journalism. Who cares what they think.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 2:54 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 44

Hey Lincoln,
Thanks for filling me in on the details of the 2004 derby, I'll finally get some sleep tonight!

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 2:57 PM by OGINVU Highlight this comment 45

I agree, that Morneau got snubbed! But that may just drive this team that much more to go win the "whole f*ckin thing!" (Major League)... I also think some limestone pics would be GREAT!!!

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 46

Click on my name for some pics of the limestone going up! Pretty cheap cell phone pics, but they're something...

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 47

Does anyone know how they are being installed? Cement? Weld? ???

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 48

ok thank you, excellent job getting those pics up of the facade! this is going to look better than pnc park.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 49

the limestone looks a lot better than i thought it would

this ballpark is gonna be awesome

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 4:37 PM by spruce moose Highlight this comment 50

Tim, I actually didn't get them, I just found them. But I will accept your thanks anyways. LOL! It does look good though!

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 51

Today the limestone begins installation and WHERE ARE THE TWINS??? Why don't we have any story about it on the DEDICATED ballpark website? Why do we not have TV stations out there doing a story like they did for the first brick at TCF Bank Stadium. WHERE ARE YOU TWINS MARKETING DEPARTMENT, DID YOU ALL GO TO NY?????

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 5:31 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 52

OG Jeff,

Welcome to Rick's post, and I do like your idea of a water feature at the new ballpark. However, when I talked to a Twins representative at this year's Twinsfest, he mentioned that installing a fountain is not structurally possible for the park. This is because the outfield plaza goes directly over 394 and 3rd Ave N., which takes up the necessary space for a reservoir. Also, KC fans would accuse us of copying their outfield anyways (click on my name for a link to Kauffman Stadium).

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 5:55 PM by Andy T Highlight this comment 53

Late today the team invited the press to cover the limestone installation tomorrow morning.

Of course, I will be there!

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 6:51 PM by Rick 54

Be still my beating heart...Thanks for the news Rick. If you get the chance, can you find out if we'll be able to view webcam #2 before the stadium construction is finished?

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 55

Yes Rick, please find out when they are adding the second webcam so Kevin will shut up about it. Just messing with you Kevin, I can't wait to see it too. :)

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 7:07 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 56

LOL....Trust me Lafferty, once webcam #2 is up and running, I'm sure to find something else to bitch about. I'm old and it's 102 degrees outside.

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 7:13 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 57


Posted on July 15, 2008 at 7:31 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 58

Let us have a moment of silence for Tiger Stadium.

click link

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 59

Hi Andy. OG Jeff (that's me) is the original Jeff. And I completely agree with your sentiment...We've got our own park - let's make it uniquely ours!

Posted on July 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 60

Lafferty, Ohhh.. that photo makes my heart sink. I saw many games at Tiger Stadium. It was my 2nd favorite ballpark next to Comiskey Park. Very, very sad.

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 01:47 AM by John Highlight this comment 61

tiger stadium will be missed, its really sad they dont keep it around for a museum or somthing

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 07:52 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 62

Now they should just stop the demolition of Tiger Stadium. Leave it the way it is in that picture. It will blend in nicely with all the other partially torn down buildings in Detroit.

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 09:42 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 63

More construction pics on Minnescraper.
Thank you LaRose. I love security guards and police!

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:09 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 64

So what are they doing for those peep holes in the limestone? They are not there now, so are they going to cut them out?!

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 65

Also, what is up with the one row of smooth rock (5th row up)?

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 66

Brandon, If you look closely at the model pics, you will notice there are several rows of limestone that are smooth. It seems like it is about every 5th row.

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:36 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 67

Ya when I looked, I nticed that too, I guess it just looks a little different when it's real, and up close. Like look at the color of the strip below all the limestone in the model pics, then real life. They are way different, and I like the color in the MP better, but overall, I REALLY like the look of the limestone so far!

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 68

The smooth rows are for accents and they are by design. When there is a bigger surface area you'll be able to see just how cool it looks.

I just spent an hour or so wandering around the plaza(!) and inside(!) the ballpark and I have a BUNCH of photos. I have a customer breathing down my neck right this minute, but I'll have a quick post sometime later today.

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:43 AM by Rick 69

Wow! You are lucky! Those pics will be VERY much appreciated! Rick comes through in the clutch once again! :)

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:48 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 70

Now that I see this going up, I want a webcam of that side just to see the limestone progress! Why can't they just put up like 10 cams?! It can't be too expensive!

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 71

Limestone looks AMAZING! Can't wait til its done!

Posted on July 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM by lovinthelimestone Highlight this comment 72

There are 0 seats with obstruction of the view of the game in the new ballpark. (its on the website) There are currently 1,392 in the Metrodome.

Posted on July 21, 2008 at 8:10 PM by twinsmaniac Highlight this comment 73

I got a throw back name. Since the TC Bear looks like the Ham's Bear. How about Ham's Park.
Great pictures

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