Awesome detail, I'm gonna love that sign. This ballpark is unreal and it's great how they have included so much cool stuff. Hopefully we can create a new park that will be around for 100 years like Wrigley.

On the party deck, I believe the fire pit is along the east side, and not under the canopy.

The fireplace on the party deck is the smaller rectangle on the outside of the roof, underneath is the bar area.

very cool pics. great job as always Rick.

and I know there's been lots of speculation around here about the 2012 ASG.
Here it is from the horses mouth, Bud Selig at the press conference yesterday.

Vince Micucci: And 2012 will mark the 100 year anniversary of Fenway Park and Wrigley Field in Chicago. Would the Players Association and Major League Baseball be willing to have two All-Star Games in the centennial ballparks?

Commissioner Selig: We have not made a decision on the 2012 All-Star Game, and Boston just had an All-Star Game in 1999. We have a lot of new stadiums where All-Star Games have been promised. But that is a great moment. I believe the Cubs are up in 2014 if memory serves me correctly.

Click my name for Selig's annual ASG "State of the Union" address and Q & A session.

Did you count the flagpoles? Was there not four originally?

never knew the original logo was a tribute to the millers & saints. that is awesome. thx for the elucidation, rick.

Awesome analysis, Rick. I love that sign in center field!

Wow - an interior suite rendering!?! What is this demonry!?

I've walked through the "shell" of the Champions Club. It will be a very cool experience for those who get the opportunity to attend a game there. I propose that 2 tickets be held out and given to random Hennepin County citizen fans for each game. :)

The logo in center, and this ballpark altogether, are going to be amazing. The Twins really did it right, as did the Gophers with TCF. I can't wait to see the grass go in next month.

Did they connect the seats in center where the gap was before?

Anyone think they'll light up the "TARGET FIELD" sign that sits on top of the Metro Club?

ok rick you schooled me also, i didn't know the "twins" represented the millers and saints, i thought it was just the two cities traditional rivalry being depicted. that just makes the logo display even more awesome as there is a lot of baseball history represented.

I noticed this week some twins ads on bus shelters i havn't seen before, having fun with the real grass vs. turf differences.

After watching the All Star Game last night at Busch Stadium III, I have to say I am very underwhelmed by the place. Sure the brick exterior is gorgeous, but other than the St. Louis skyline, which disappears quickly after the sun goes down, there is nothing that makes it more that meh stadium. Nothing iconic in the outfield, no weird quirks, just a field. It helped me make up my mind that I do like the right field overhang at Target Field, and having all those left field seats makes the ballpark feel more intimate. And of course that sign in center field is the cherry on top.

So yes there is a line between fun and Disney like, but in my opinion, both are a whole lot better than Busch's meh feel.

After being in in the new Busch stadium, I have to say that while it's nice, it's not anything terribly great.
The skyline is great but you can see white pvc pipe below the suites and the steel structure looks a little generic.
I would say that the New Busch reminds me a lot of US Cellular field in Chicago. It's not horrible but for a new ballpark, it certainly doesn't overwhelm anyone.

I've been there a couple times, and for better or worse, it's HUGE. Mostly worse. It somehow manages to be less intimate than it's cookie cutter predecessor.

But it's in a good location. Getting from your seat to the street is easy too.

Betaband, I bet you want the MSP Twin to push the STP Twin into the river, don't ya? haha

MLPS I meant, sorry it's early here.

The wood art of Puckett is a wonderful addition. Modern & classy, just like the rest of T.F.

Rick - great article. Like others, I did not understand the history behind the original logo. I think its' inclusion in the park is a fantastic tribute to Minnesota baseball fans and the Twins deserve much credit for incorporating the historical reference into the new park and resisting the obvious temptation to place more advertising space in it's place. Quite frankly, this "one-ups" NYS and the facade, because of it's prominent position in the park. I wish I had thought to ask more about it during my visit.

OG Jeff - if all of the Champions Club seats are not sold on a full season basis, it's quite possible that the Twins may sell what remains either day of game or for the upcoming homestand, since, unlike Legends Club seats, these are not "owned" by the season ticket holder. (Someone please correct me if this is not true).

Now, if like other clubs with such areas, I'm sure the Twins will use some of the unsold seats for promotional purposes, either internal or external (and I suspect the club has held back some seats in that area anyway. I know they have held back tickets in Home Plate Box for MLB use (golden tickets, etc.).

I have to wholeheartedly agree with the Busch analysis. Several friends that have been there have said it's a nice place to watch a game but not a "great" park.

I've never been, but other than the Arch is seems very underwhelming. There is no character whatsoever in the outfield seating. Their canopy is a nice throwback, but seems more like a contrived retro.

Although one could say that Nationals Park is the first "modern" ballpark (it, also, is very underwhelming(, I think Target Field will be the first successful modern field...

So - given Selig's comments that the Cubs may be lined up for the All Star game in 2014 (which, if true, would imply that we will have back/back games again for one league), any thoughts on a revised schedule for the Twins? Do the Twins take 2013 instead of the Mets, since NYC had the game last year? Do they bump the Royals? Slide back a few years? Or do we all hope that Bud mispoke and that they are the most likely candidate for 2014?

Great post Rick. As for the logo in center-field, it is on par with the minor tweaks as the ball has the correct stitching.

This is an awesome website! I came up to the Sox-Twins series last weekend. I stayed at the Univ. of Minnesota and took the # 16 bus to the games. That worked out great! I've heard that there will be a "bus hub" at Target Field. Do you know where that will be located yet??

Thanks for the bus info! As for those taking the 16 from the U, I must say this! Bring on 2014! Target Field is going to simply keep improving as Metro Transit keeps improving. Imagine the day when you can hope a light rail or commuter rail from all corners of the metro and deposit yourself within a short walk of the ballgame. At the moment, we have a taste of it, but Target Field is going to be simply so much greater in that department as time progresses.

Thanks for the bus info Rick! I can also chime in on the St Louis ballpark. I'm from Iowa (don't hold that against me!) I've been to the new Cards park twice. I agree with the "it's nice, but nothing spectacular" comments already made. My biggest problem with it is the fact that the main concourse is not open to the playing field. That's what I'm really looking forward to at Target Field. After a few innings I like to roam, stand, and "explore" a ballpark. That's what I like best about US Cellular Field in Chicago, and that's going to be a super aspect of Target Field!!

I have a question, and I apologize if it has been asked and answered previously. I see that the gates are numbered and named after Carew, Hrbek, Oliva, and Killebrew. I thought there was also a gate for Puckett, or some other prominent part of the park. What exactly will be the recognition of Puckett in the ballpark, and where is it in the ballpark? If you want to direct me to a previous link or two about this, that is perfectly fine with me.

New Bush Stadium does not have open concourse, that's kinda shocking. I wonder if there is a reason for that. I would have figured all the newer parks would have open concourse, interesting.

I'm really excited about the old school logo. I'm sure they'll make it work if it's just lit up or has moving parts. I like how Calvin originally wanted to call the Twins the Twin Cities Twins as opposed to the Minneapolis or St Paul Twins. They ended up keeping the TC hat logo in the end. Sounds like they went out of their way to avoid offending either city, which was a smart move. That Miller-Saints rivalry was pretty nasty from what I've read. Also will be nice if the Saints are able to build a new stadium in Lowertown. A ballpark at either end of Central Corridor would be incredible.

Rick...I feel your pain. I'm not sure if I hate KSTP or if I just hate the Twins announcers. We used to have awesome radio announcers with Hall, Carneal and Scott. Gordon is god awful and Gladden has a terrible radio voice.

That said, the content of the pre and post game has improved. But I don't know about the production quality. Being that I live in AZ and I much prefer to listen to baseball than watch it (it's a generational thing that young people just don't understand) I subscribe to MLB.com gameday audio (only $15 for the entire year). I listen to dozens of games and by far the Twins Radio Network broadcast as the WORST sound quality. My 1966 GE transistor radio has better sound quality than their production. Does it really sound that bad on the air in MN??? When I listen to the Dodgers online, it's crystal clear, the Twins sounds like John Gordon is speaking through a tunnel.

My biggest issue with KSTP is the horrible signal inside the house, and I had a ton of interference while driving AROUND TARGET FIELD! I don't think it's signal weakness, but it seems extremely prone to interference from the downtown "noise" where WCCO, and of course all FM stations are clear as a bell...everywhere.

Rick:

Carl and his boys have been buying up radio stations in the Twin Cities (B96 among others) the last few years. I believe the KSTP1500 contract is up soon (end of 2010 I think). Look for the Pohlads to take the Twins "in-house" and to begin swimming in more Benjamins as this is where they will control all the revenue!!!

For me while the reception on KSTP sucks, especially after dark, the main beef is with the broadcasting crew (John Gordon, Dan Gladden,etc.). Gordo gets easily confused, loses track of the outs, balls & strikes, goes off-topic way too much and for too long (we are listening for the GAME not your thoughts on Harley Davidsons or the fishing report on Lake Mille Lacs), and last but not least calls plays wrong or says one thing when an entirely different thing actually happened. Ultra annoying especially when you are watching on TV and notice this.

I am a realist however. Gordo is in the Twins back pockets. He pretty much has a lifetime contract. I don't expect any changes in the near future.

What was corrected on the stitching? I guess I don't know what to look for.

The signal strength of the KSTP broadcast to "Twins Territory" ends after dark when you get just a mile from Hudson, WI. The broadcast literally cannot be heard. Not everyone in WI is a fan of the NL team from the other side of the state.

As far as broadcasters, I can't stand it when Gladden refers to the player between 2nd and 3rd as the "shirtstop". Drives me nuts!

i agree the team needs to find a new radio home. the signal is just not strong, even in the city, i don't care what the team and kstp claims. people have been complaining about this ever since the team switched, it's not a new issue and has never been addressed. i wish the team had agreed to a contract with KFAN when the rights were up for negotiation a couple years ago, but whatever. every time i hear the constant soucheray ads during twins games, i just lower the volume.

ive never liked john gordon either. we used to make fun of his hyper homerun calls when he first started with the team. even to this day he'll make it seem like a ball is gone by the inflection of his voice, only to have our hopes dashed when the ball is caught at the fence. and the cardinal rule of radio play-by-play is to constantly give the number of outs, which is so badly lacking by gordon and dan gladden, they seem to forget at times they're speaking to a radio audience. ok enough bitching....

James - It's a minor tweak from the current one. Click name.

god rest his soul but herb carneal didn't do it for me. he was the pat summeral of baseball radio ("robert smith...[7 seconds of dead air]...outta bounds...").

On July 3rd (the night of the marathon game vs. the Tigers) I was shocked to pick up the Twins game while sitting in the Sky Sox stadium parking lot in Colorado Springs. I'm absolutely sure it was KSTP, and reading these comments makes it all the more shocking that the signal won't make it to Hudson but will make the 730-mile flight to Colorado.

I completely agree w/ all KSTP talk...thing that really has made me mad is how Gordo will do a few innings and then Gladden takes over for 3 innings and then Gordo comes back and does a few, etc...why can't they just work together throughout the game? I understand Gordo is getting up there in age but 3 innings to take a piss?

Also, does anyone know if the TF model is open to the public? If so, where is it located?

The thing about Kstp is the signal is not as strong as Wcco so you barely get out of the metro area and you lose the broadcast and what broadcast you do get sounds terrible. Wcco had A much better signal that had better range and sound.

They have finally completed the area in the right field corner it seems. It looks like they have boxes lined along the first base line, so that area between the completed section and right field may be next.

I didn't get so much a feeling of height from the main grandstand at Busch Stadium as opposed to it feeling too spread out. Perhaps its an optical illusion, but the park seems much wider from the front of the stands to the rear and then to the exterior than most of the new parks. The outer brick facade also seems to not link up well with the interior seating deck. It's as if the two elements were designed separately and then linked up later without much thought about how they'd connect.

One odd quirk of sorts is the break in the roof along the top deck of the third base/left field line. In the open space are two brick towers, 4 lighting towers, and a Hardee's. It looks a bit odd in the overall scheme of things, but seems as if it could be a fun hangout/party area. The choice of restaurant, sponsorship money or not, leaves much to be desired, however.

Rick, you hit the nail on the head with the desire for an FM signal. When I'm driving up north, listening to the FM stations out of Alexandria and Little Falls on the Twins radio network really show how terrible the AM quality is for KSTP. It was pretty depressing last weekend making the switch to 1500 coming down I-94.

I really hope a local FM station gets the next contract (for the Vikings as well).

was at busch and the K a few weeks ago.. great location for busch...but other than that it was basiclly just a nice ballpark...the new K i think blows it away...and the food at busch sucked except for the bratzel...beer was 8.25 i think... luckly we sunck in a bottle

ajndsu,

The Vikings have been on FM 100.3 KTLK for about the last 3 years.

RE: Radio Ratings

KSTPs ratings aren't down, they are being measured differently. You can't compare the previous measuring system (diaries) and the new one (electronic meters). It's not intellectually honest.

If you measured your speed in MPH and then Kilometers per hour, you wouldn't be going faster with the KPH, you'd be measuring it differently. The new electronic meters are likely more accurate, but should only be compared to other electronic metering data.

(Does being forced to listen to Steve Miller at Subway count as radio "listening"? Technically it does, I guess, even if you're trying to ignore it. But that seems to be a different behavior than driving in your car trying to listen to a program/ballgame.)

I second the obeservation that Twins Radio Network has TERRIBLE quality on MLB gameday audio. By far the WORST in MLB.

Also, totally agree about KSTP. Tired of the talk show blowhards.

And finally, for what its worth, I like Gordo. I'd rather here him and his honest mistakes than Bert and his cranky SOB "Why-doesn't-everyone-always-pitch-complete-games?!! shtick.

For all you kids, my link has a couple of clips of vintage Halsey Hall. I only wish someone had a clip of him during bat day - those were hysterical! On the second clip, you can hear the wonderful Met organ in the background playing Win Twins.

Sadly it doesn't surprise me that many of you claim to be huge Twins fans but know very little about the history of the team, how Minnesota came about to having a team, its original home or logo. Many of you probably never knew the Millers existed until Rick brought it up. Perhaps if you invested one-tenth of the amount of time you spend watching people getting punched in the nads on YouTube on "book learnin'" you might gain a better, deeper appreciation for things like Twins baseball.

Here's a neat clip of Herb Carneal, including the last out at the Met.

Truth Hurts,

I'm old enough to remember those days. I remember the double-headers when the first game was in St. Paul and the 2nd game was at Nicollet. I remember the fans getting into fist fights on the streetcar going between the 2 stadiums....those were the days.

Everyone welcome Sid Hartman to the board!

And that Willie Mays and Ted Williams played for the Millers.

Did somebody say Sid Hartman??? I have him remembering Halsey Hall thanks to the Pavek Museum.

If you measured your speed in MPH and then Kilometers per hour, you wouldn't be going faster with the KPH, you'd be measuring it differently. The new electronic meters are likely more accurate, but should only be compared to other electronic metering data.

I don't think so. Sounds to me - and I have no dog in this fight - that it's more akin to measuring your speed with a stopwatch vs. a radar gun. You're saying the units are different, but that's not true.

strategery,

You're analogy is better. The units are the same.

BUT...to use your analogy: If we're clocking the same pitcher, one with the watch, one with the radar gun...the guy's fastball didn't change, just how we measured it. He's not suddenly a better pitcher since the gun reads his fastball faster.

With this new radio measuring technique, the whole landscape has changed, so comparing old data with new data doesn't work.

man, do I ever miss Herb Carneal

Wow truth hurts aren't you quick to draw generalizations about the people who post on this blog. This is especially surprising considering that the people who post on here are obviously interested and passionate about the Twins and the new ballpark and their postings reflect that. No one is writing any juvenile or confrontational posts on here that should even conjure such a reaction from you. Heaven forbid some people appreciate finding out about a piece of Twins history that perhaps is new to them since it was before their time. They may not know about the history between the two ballplayers shaking hands depicted in the old logo, but you obviously don't understand the meaning behind it since instead of extending a hand to new and younger Twins fans you instead give a slap to all those you feel are less knowledgeable then you. They are not the embarrassment to this blog, you are.

Anyone not familiar with what my response is in regards to need only look about 10 posts up from this one. Absolutely insulting!

I think the point, re: electronic metering of radio, is that it measures everything that is being listened to - i.e. ambient radio (as mentioned in the article) that someone who used to keep a diary might neglect to record. And since that would be mostly music as ambient radio (in stores, at work, etc.), talk radio suffers (assuming that the previous diary holder wasn't recording that listening).

In summary, it is a different way to measure listening. A more acurate way. I don't know if the MLH/KPH is an acurate comparison, but there is definatly a diference between the old way and the new way, and I agree that you can't compare the old numbers to the new. At all. And in the end, that's the point.

Moose

As for KSTP, my beef is they won't go HD. I had a long conversation a year or so ago with the station manager about this. He acts like its a fad and that nobody cares. Well, by the sound of it, you folks care. Those listening online would benefit by the better quality of sound. A good HD signal would do wonders locally, but it won't solve the station power issue, unless switching to a HD signal gives them a better all around range, which would take help of the FCC.

You'd think that DSP would take the All Star break to update his blog and advertise what the Twins are doing to lure the ASG to TF. Rick's photos show that they have at least thought of creating some marketing products.

Oh wait, I forgot, this is DSP we're talking about.

It's not just KSTP Berka, this weeks British Open is broadcast by the BBC and the American stations that are covering it (TNT ABC) have to use their SD signal. The refuse to change to HD. ABC will at least be up converting the SD signal so we don't have those annoying black stripes on the side of the picture.

KSTP not going to HD is unsurprising. The Hubbards have never seemed like ones to spend money on production. Compare the way channel 5 has long lagged behind 4 and 11 in terms of sets, graphics, and overall production on its newscasts.

I tend to listen to the Twins on XM rather than 1500. The only problem is XM uses the home team's broadcast only. That means going to the AM dial for the road games and the poor audio quality seems even more apparent for the away games.

Regarding Busch III's upper deck gap, I think that has something to do with the way it was built. The outer part of the 3rd Base grandstand was built last - because Old Busch was still on the site. (See pick at link)

Oh, and here's a cool time lapse film of Busch II's demolition and Busch III's construction.

Sure, they could have filled that gap in, but it's kinda part of both the design and the history of the site.

Could we all just stop posting and please let 'butt hurts' I mean, 'truth hurts' post. PLEASE PLEASE bestow upon us your wealth geniusness! I em such an idiet i kant even spelt rite

I thought the "gap", also seen in parks like Cincinatti, Detroit and our own TF, was to separate "high priced" from "low priced" seats in the upper reaches.

I know we don't talk NHL here, but we do talk ballparks, click my name for the article proclaiming Fenway as the host for Winter Classic 2010. I'm beginning to think that TF is a more viable candidate for a Winter Classic here, than TCF Bank Stadium.

haha well put everyone toward truth hurts. does someone need a hug?

Luke, you're thinking of the moat. A gap(which TF does not have) is a literal break in the grand stand.

or this...

Eric - I was thinking back to an old thread here (Finally found it, Click my name to go to it, called "One Topped off...") and the following comment:

"Going back to what David_Mpls was talking about WAY back at the beginning of this thread...

I was looking for the "hole" he was talking about and it made me take a closer look at the seating chart for TF. I always thought that the gap between sections R and S (Legends Club to Skyline Deck) was space that would be filled in. Now I see that it is essentially another moat seperating the "high end" seats from the other sections.

Am I the only one that thinks they are loosing some PRIME seats???

Also it seems there is no info about the Skyline Deck pricing. Are these going to be single game tickets only?

Thanks for the info.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM by CSG Mike 102 "

That's where I was thinking "High end" from "low end"...

That gap at GABP is rediculous, it serves no purpose whatsoever, and is ugly as hell.

Hey everybody, it's the frontman of "Megadeth" !
how did Mr. Mustaine find us here? lol.

Rick, Thank you for shedding your baseball insight upon the masses of imbeciles. Kids, here's something for you: Bruno was the Twins' right fielder during the 1987 championship season, not an Austrian in love with the donger. ("Automobile!?")

Rick,

Has "ignore" functionality been enabled for posts. I have a fresh candidate for my list.

The Truth Hurts, wow. You're cool. Thanks for joining us! Any particular reason for the harsh words? I can't wait to learn everything you know and someday be just like you! Cause ya know I have been a twins fan for all my life and gee, sorry guys, who is the Twins first baseman? I always forget. Silly me! :)

wtf?

Third Webcam. It's called a question mark. It's down and to the right of the "L" key. Use your right pinky to reach it.

Now that that is out of the way.... We all know the Twins' front office has a reluctance for looking outside of AAA for help, but it's kind of frustrating that they--apparently--weren't interested in signing a guy like Pedro for $1 million, considering our starting five is a bit shaky right now. Call him a washed-up future hall of famer, but so is Favre, and Minnesota sports fans seem to be keen on him coming here. One million dollars just seems reasonable, especially if Pedro is healthy like he claims to be.

who is Pedro? Enlighten us, please.

Truthbag:

It's called a typo. Does it really detract from my sentiment??

Perhaps I was so taken aback that someone would actually troll in a ballpark blog that I had a momentary loss of motor function.

Oh, by the way, your mom just called. She wants you to get up to the kitchen. Your ramen is ready.

Mom jokes are old and worked over. Like your mom.

Let's try keeping this blog classy, huh guys? I think the Rickmeister would agree.

/endcomedygold

Pot, meet kettle.

C'mon guys. Let's not turn anybody into a Tommy Herr, okay?

Back to the old school logo, I think I miss the days of the Minneapolis-St. Paul rivalry. I wasn't around for it, obviously, but I've read enough to know there was some serious hate between the two cities. In the early days, a lot of it was fueled by James J. Hill, who along with John Ireland ran St. Paul and didn't want anything to do with Minneapolis. After that, the real manifestation of the rivalry existed between the two baseball teams. Even Joe Mauer, when he first bought a town home, said that his dad wouldn't let him move to Minneapolis. Just think if both cities had been granted major league teams when the Western League broke up to become the AL? If only...

how apropos: angst and vitriol infect the blog when the ghosts of millers & saints are conjured... mwah-ha-ha!

hahaha well put Elston Gunn! haha oh truth hurts, arent you just a card?!?!?! bleh k i'm done :)

@The Legacy,

I sure would love to see the dramatic, and they would be dramatic, differences between St. Paul and Minneapolis's ballparks. One can only imagine.

Luke - the Skyline seats on the Club level will have a seperate entrance from the Legends Club. There is no pricing on them because they are not sold as season tickets and the plans are not to sell them for individual games other than for group sales.

I suspect they are also the seats "reserved" for additional sales to Legends Club and Champions Club season ticket holders, but I don't know that for a fact.

No, the Skyline seats are general public seats that do not have access to the Legends club, I thought they are single game only. I also am of the opinion that it isn't big enough to constitute being called a "gap." The gaps at other ballparks are way bigger and are generally in the entire facade.

I smell haves and have not seatting causing issues.....I also see food being different and possibly even bathrooms. Next thing will be third class for the steerage

Truth Hurts - Comparing Favre to Pedro Martinez is laughable. For one, Pedro isn't better then all 5 of our starting pitchers. Favre, I would say IS better then our quarterbacks. Also the revenue generated by Favre (sellouts and jersey sales) would far exceed that of Pedro.

I for one am glad we did not bring in Pedro Martinez, the Twins bringing in washed up vets gets old after awhile.

Eric in Tx - the Skyline seats may be "general public" in that they are not going to be sold as season tickets, but they are going to be sold to groups, not individuals. (Whether there will be day of game sales is unknown).

I also agree with you that this shouldn't be considered be a "gap" - it was clearly thought out and by design.

I'm glad that both didn't get a team, well unless one was NL and one was AL but the cities are way too close

There's no way the metro could support two MLB teams, but 'tis interesting to think about a Mpls.-St. Paul rivalry. Though if Burnsville gets the Millers (crickets chirping) ...

BUTT HURTS,

THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSTS! PLEASE DISREGARD THESE IMBICILS WHO CLAIM TO BE TWINS FANS! LETS BOTH GO TOGETHER TO THE SPECIAL PLACE IN THE SEWER WHERE WE CAN BE ALONE AND REVEL IN OUR PUTRID UNBRUSHED TEETH AND FLABBY MAN BOOBS, TO A PLACE WHERE WE WILL NOT BE MADE FUN OF FOR OUR DECAYING AND IMPOTENT UNDERCARRIAGE, AND WHERE BEST OF ALL...WE WILL PLOT TO KILL BATMAN!

Is it just me, or does our great state seem a little... mis-shapen on that sign?

The Saints played at Lexington Park in Saint Paul until they moved on to become another team then another Saints team moved in if you want a little history. And that Met stadium was built paid for and owned by the city of Minneapolis for a time even though it sat in Bloomington. And it was suggested to Calvin Griffith if he wanted to widen the fan base he might consider changing the name to the Minnesota Twins to attract fans outside of the metro area. I suppose I could go on with more trivia but is there a point. I doubt it. There are tons of people here who know plenty they just dont mention it. I would guess there are more Twins fans here than most anywhere else but its just a guess.

enten, the misshapen outline of mn is by design.

all, responding to dinks on this blog only encourages them to post more.

huh?

WTF?

seriously WTF?