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December 31, 2013 3:05 AM

Such promise. (Click to enlarge.)

Well, it's finally all over. Are we sad? Even a little? Really?

What is there left to say about one of the most maligned sports venues in the history of professional sports? That it served its purpose? That it was cost effective? That it was sufficiently warm/cool/dry on those too cold/hot/wet days? That some interesting things happened there? That some of our teams won? That a lot of people shouted, or roller-bladed, or even worshiped there? That the Rolling Stones and Paul McCartney and U2 played there? That it could be converted from one sport to another in just a few hours?

Is this a moment for sentiment? Is this like when someone dies who you didn't like very much but you still say the nicest things you can think of because that's just what is right for the moment?

Boy, I sure don't know. (Well, actually, I do.)

Maybe this is a moment for a list. Those seem to be pretty popular when events like this crop up. So let's go with my personal top five Metrodome memories and see where it takes us. And mind you, these are not just things that happened there. These are things that happened to me while I was there, and only the ones where the facility played an actual role in the memory. (I'd love to hear yours. Unlike the ones regurgitated throughout the media, all of ours will be unique and, therefore, potentially interesting.)

#5 - Exit Twins (Yankees @ Twins, ALDS Game 3, October 11, 2009)

It's an elimination game. The score is close. It's anybody's game. The teams, despite being somewhat mismatched, are playing their hearts out. And the hometown crowd is completely getting into -- wait for it -- the wave. Could the Metrodome era have any better summary?

#4 - Enter Timberwolves (Lakers @ Timberwolves, Exhibition, October 18, 1989)

I'm not much of a basketball fan, and I have no idea how I got tickets to this event or why I went, but I sat in the upper deck and looked down at the most absurd site: an NBA basketball court set up where the infield ought to be. The Metrodome was nothing if not versatile, and here was a moment to be savored when it proved it could spoil sightlines for yet another sport. Many people around me were more prepared, and sported binoculars. (And how about the irony of playing the first game against a franchise which used to play here, but left town because it couldn't secure a permanent home! And with one of their problematic temporary homes -- the Armory -- still extant but vacant just up the street!)

#3 - The Contraction Gallows (Mariners @ Twins, August 29, 2002)

The game was over, and I don't remember whether the Twins won or lost. But I lingered at the front of the upper deck and watched as the grounds crew began converting the playing field from baseball to football. Within hours we would find out whether there would be a player strike, with the distinct possibility that the stately Senators/Twins franchise could be a casualty of such a thing as a result of the failure of this facility to generate sufficient revenue. (It's said that, in that era, the Vikings sometimes made more money from Twins games than the Twins did, due to the structure of the original deal.) It didn't happen, but I stood there for about half an hour lamenting that it had come to this, pondering what it would mean, and hating the place for all its bland uninspiredness.

#2 - Feting the Returning Heroes (October 12, 1987, very late)

Who goes to a stadium when there isn't a game? A lot of us did. We packed the place in order to welcome back our World Series-bound heroes. We filled that slightly-over-pressurized air with so much noise that I had ringing ears and a headache for days. But the facility reached the apex of its power that night, and was actually more palatable for the mere fact that no game would be played, and therefore no sensibilities could be offended. On that night, the Metrodome was just a big theater for one of the most magical baseball moments I've ever experienced.

#1 - First Sight (Spring 1982)

In the spring of 1982 a friend and I walked across the Washington Avenue bridge from the campus where I was a freshman, wended our way through Seven Corners and across the freeway (quite a trek, I might add), and entered the Dome's left field upper deck for the first time. As I looked around at the relentless sea of blue plastic against stone cold concrete and tried to get my bearings, I also tried to feel impressed (I had, after all, lobbied Calvin Griffith personally to support this facility). But my heart sank. It was horrible, and nothing like the grandiosity I had imagined after seeing pictures of the Astrodome. I came away with a pit in my stomach, asking myself, "What have we done?"

Some Honorable Mentions

1. A few years ago, Twinsfest was held not long after new turf had been installed. I'll never forget chasing a toddler around on that new turf, and then, after he decided to drop-and-roll, spending the better part of an hour removing fake dirt particles stuck fast to his clothing by static electricity. Good times (truly).

2. A couple of years before that, the model of Target Field was the star of Twinsfest, and I managed to arrange a sneak preview before the event opened to the public. Most notable was meeting Kevin Smith in the Twins offices, and then following him down a series of bewildering stairways and passageways that had a distinctive M. C. Escher quality to them. Suffice it to say that I saw a side of the Metrodome that most fans never saw, and there was no chance in hell I could ever have found my way out by the route I was led in.

3. On two occasions I was part of a choir which sang the Star Spangled Banner before the annual "Lutheran Night" Twins game. And this wasn't just a collection of friends, but a real choir, and a very good one. I'll never forget the great difficulty of hearing each other out behind the pitcher's mound. It was an extraordinarily difficult place to make music. That says something, I think.

4. In the mid-80s, my best friend was the flag instructor for the U of M marching band. As a result, I got to tag along a couple of times for their Dome rehearsals, and watch the proceedings from a tiny platform on the 50-yard line at the very top of the upper deck (directly above and behind the football press box). It was an unmatched view, a little unnerving, but also a distinct thrill.

5. And then there's Chuck Knoblauch Hot Dog Night, when that same best friend and I inadvertently managed to snag the perfect seats to watch all of the depressing action. We sat halfway up the lower deck right behind the Twins bullpen. These seats, as many of you know, were terrible for baseball because they faced directly toward the left fielder -- which actually made them ideal for watching the most interesting action on that particular night. (Unreported by the media was that it was Yankee fans behind us that were throwing stuff onto the field in the hopes of forcing a forfeit.)

Finally, over the years my friends and I developed this little ritual which will (happily) never again be necessary. We would all laugh dryly while entering the Dome on a sunny day, saying to one another with an ironic glance toward the sky, "What a great day for indoor baseball!"

Make no mistake, the Metrodome was certainly not the source of all sporting ills in the region for the past 31 years. I'd even go as far as to say that it wasn't really responsible for any of the significant ills (except, maybe, Carl Pohlad's strategies in the mid-90s). In fact, as has now been pointed out in every corner of the local media, it was the site for some truly amazing moments. And its versatility has been really off the charts. If you were to rate it compared to other multi-purpose facilities on how many different types of activities it could host, it might very well be near the top of the second wave of such stadiums (the first ones, the "concrete donuts", were never this versatile).

But was there even one of those activities where it truly excelled? (Most memorable thing about the Paul McCartney concert? The horrible acoustics.) Despite being designed primarily as a football facility, the Metrodome will likely be remembered as the jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none champion. Every group that ever hosted an event there had to import and attach their own identity to the aggressively generic facility, and then return it to a neutral state afterward. By being "home" to so many different things, it was actually a true home to none. This is the macro lesson of the multi-purpose stadium era: They don't work at least in part because no one is really, truly at home in them.

But I think that what I have deplored most about the Metrodome is the utter lack of imagination with which it was built, and the utter lack of inspiration it provided to the teams (and fans) which gathered there. The word "utilitarian" is thrown around a lot, but this isn't necessarily a sin. Dullness, on the other hand, most definitely is.

If your house is like ours, there's a utilitarian set of dishes in the kitchen cupboards which gets used for most meals, and a separate set of fancy dishes stored away for special occasions. The Metrodome was a set of plain dishes at all times, when every event should have been treated as special, and therefore worthy of the china you'd use on Christmas day.

When I wrote to Calvin Griffith, I was imagining the second coming of the Astrodome. I was imagining that Minneapolis would build a facility which could be called a "wonder" when it opened -- a true successor to that original, ground-breaking dome.

For all its eventual faults, the Astrodome truly did look like a wonder at first, and even for many years afterward. It was multi-purpose (one of the aforementioned "concrete donut" class, to be specific), but did it with style and boldness. It aspired to inspire.

It had that impossibly high, but geometrically beautiful roof, which looked strong and durable and awe-inspiring even after its windows were covered. More than that, it housed a genuine baseball field, without compromises (beyond, ultimately, the playing surface). Its lower deck even had great baseball sightlines (see photo above). It also had classic lines and symmetry and style in its facade, and what was de rigueur for its time: a signature massive parking lot surrounding it (the lack of which was widely lamented when the Metrodome opened; after all those years out at the Met, it was all anyone could imagine).

By contrast, the Metrodome roof was soft and lumpy, looking much more like an uncomfortable pillow than anything classical. Disappointingly, it didn't even look much like the concept drawings we'd been shown (such as the one at the top of this post). It had been sold to us as something refined, but never was. Throughout its entire life, even after the new roof was installed, various panels puffed out here and there unevenly.

OK, it kept out the cold and the rain, and it was a marvel of modern engineering, but why did it have to be so damned ugly?

The concrete facade had repetition and rhythm, but no detail or texture whatsoever to break up its true monotony. It was (probably intentionally) a blank slate, and would remain so until only one major tenant was left. It cannot be denied that the place never looked better than after the Vikings were allowed to paint a few things purple. (You may remember that the struts on the exterior were originally about the same color as the cement, until the MSFC painted them red in an attempt to liven up the look. Boing.)

Even the graceful lines of the exterior walkways, an elegant method of ingress/egress if ever there was one, failed because they refused to acknowledge any part of the city beyond their boundaries. (A cautionary tale if ever there was one.)

When Met Stadium was replaced, we, as a community, had the opportunity to build a building which inspired -- both fans and teams. But we completely failed. That it also failed to inspire even the tiniest amount of urban renewal really shouldn't have been a surprise.

Despite all of my misgivings about the stadium which will replace it, one thing is for certain: It aspires to inspire. It will be a notable improvement in that regard. (But forget about honoring the Metrodome's past. Both the site of home plate and the location of the golden seat marking Kirby's famous homer will be buried in the new stadium's concrete, with seating above them.)

Maybe it seems callous to kick the old place even as its seats are being dismantled and its facade awaits an appointment with the wrecking ball. But thankfully, the Metrodome is not a person, and today is not a funeral. It's just a building -- a public works building at that -- which has provided just over three decades of undistinguished service at a reasonable price. Thus, I don't think there's any responsibility to look back with overly sentimental eyes.

Were it a ballpark, I'd probably see it differently. But it never was. Were it iconic or beautiful or inspiring, my reaction would be completely different. (I'll probably shed a tear the day they knock down the Astrodome.) The Metrodome was just a place where Major League Baseball was played, but it was never a ballpark in any sense of the word. And that's the most damning thing of all.

Yes, wonderful things happened there. In addition to all of the things I listed above, I'll never forget taking my then-fiance-now-wife to her first Twins game at the Metrodome. It was a most sweet occasion that was essentially unaffected by the building.

I'll never forget walking my preschooler through the concourse during games when he got antsy, and showing him those perplexing troughs, and then later bumping into TC.

I'll remember all of those opening days when I went to the game with my mom, who had stood in line at a Target store somewhere to score free tickets.

I'll always remember the day in the fall of 2001 when we stood outside the Dome in the rain, rallying to get a new facility instead of being contracted out of existence.

I'll never forget being invited into one of those retro-fitted clubs for a drink with a friend of this web site, or attending a corporate event in one of the suites.

I'll never forget watching a playoff game from the dead last row at the top of the upper deck, with the roof looming seemingly within reach right above my head.

I'll never forget trudging up and down those circulation ramps looking for my gate (because you couldn't just go in anywhere, you know), and discovering that I'd gone the wrong way -- again.

I'll always hold close the memory of the snowy night that we said goodbye to our fallen hero, whose name supplanted that of the city of his birth in the address of the stadium.

I'll cherish these memories always, but will be dry-eyed at the disappearance of the place where they happened.

As a postscript, let me say that, even though I was not at the Dome for any of the games, I remember well those exceedingly tense nights when the Twins played the Braves in the fall of 1991. They were wonderful, at least in part, because they were largely free and clear of ill-effects from the Dome.

In 1987, on the other hand, the event and the facility are harder to separate, and the conjunction is not necessarily good. The Twins were masters of those conditions by then, while visiting teams remained flummoxed. That particular set of home field advantages has always felt to me like it came at the expense of the honor of the game. Every ball lost in the roof or careening off a speaker or dropping dead from the baggie to the track caused a little wince across the baseball world. And winning the World Series under those conditions, well it was great, but not as great as it might have been.

And that's the Metrodome to me. No, I'll not miss the place. If anything, I'll miss having it as an easy target of derision. It wasn't Ebbets, or the Polo Grounds, or even the Met. It was Generic Municipal Stadium. A pole barn. A plain face. It was just good enough to get the job done, and nothing more.

Time to clear the site, and give something else a shot.


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Your top moment number 5 brought a chuckle; the Vikings fans were doing the wave this past Sunday. And your top moment number one mirrored my feelings exactly. I went to one of the two exhibition games the weekend before the 1982 opener and to the opener itself and you have captured my long-ago thoughts and emotions exactly! "What have we done?"

Posted on December 31, 2013 at 07:55 AM by terry Highlight this comment 1

Nice article, great historical insights. But I have no use for pretty dishes. If you come to my house, come to eat. The dome met that need, at least. I hope the interior decorators don't trump engineering reality in the new design (and this is coming from an art major :-) Let's hope for a meaningful compromise.

Posted on December 31, 2013 at 08:42 AM by Al Highlight this comment 2

I went to the second pre-season Vikings game in 1982 and also sat in the last row next to the big fans and the roof and also needed binoculars, also went to the game where Scott Erickson threw a no-hitter. I had some memories like everybody, but the one thing the Dome did cause was because I hated the stadium so much I started to enjoy studying and going to other stadiums and ballparks. It seems strange but that stupid stadium being built in my town to replace a fairly decent ballpark that I enjoyed because it was outside and fun to go to games actually made me change my life a little bit.

Posted on December 31, 2013 at 09:06 AM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 3

One thing I remember from years back, and over the years have forgotten, until seeing it mentioned in a blog which was titled "Site of NBA record will crumble before record does". The blog was in reference to the 1989-90 Twolves who set an NBA Season Attendance record 1.1 million (rounded up). There have been lots of other domed stadiums used in the NBA (usually as temporary homes) over the years, Kingdome, Silverdome, Georgia Dome, and even in the 7 years the Spurs played at the Alamodome, still the record has never been topped.

If memory serves correctly, I believe the last game of that season against Denver drew something like 49,500. It was a huge number.

I also did not realize halftime was extended for ten minutes because teams had to walk up those long staircases to the locker rooms. I went to many a Twolves game at the Dome, and almost enjoyed the games at the Dome more than I ever did a game at Target Center. People loathe at the idea of basketball in a domed stadium (especially the way the NCAA does it now, with the court on the 50 yard line as opposed to the endzone), but I loved it. Clicky for the blog referenced.

Posted on December 31, 2013 at 09:40 AM by luke Highlight this comment 4

Top five moments I had at the Metrodome (out of 27 total visits, including Twins, Vikings & Gophers games, an NCAA regional, DIII baseball, a tour and an interview for a TV show), in no particular order:

1. December 21, 1991, Packers vs. Vikings, experiencing the press box at the Dome. My dad was news director at WEAU in Eau Claire and secured a couple press passes. I sat in the box as a 13-year-old with a pass (I believe he was doing other media work at the moment), then we took our passes down to the field to shoot some video of the game for the newscast. Problem was, our passes weren't *field* passes, and a security guide told us we had to leave (though I didn't quite get it at the moment it was happening) after we shot some footage. I think they sent a complaint letter, but nothing came of it.

2. March 1, 2000, part of the all-night college baseball-a-thon. I was doing play-by-play for Luther College radio sports, and I drove up with a fellow student from Decorah, IA, to meet up with another student in the Cities at that time to head to the Dome and broadcast the game. At about 12:30 in the morning. We put our unit in the empty press box, dialed-in the phone line to Luther and did the game in shifts. After a few innings, my shift was done and I walked around the nearly-empty Dome; there were a few Luther and Macalaster fans, and I do mean a "few", but otherwise there was no one there. At one point, I found the Kirby Puckett golden chair, then looked for (and found) the seating insert over the rarely-used end zone tunnel along the left field fence. I pretty much had the lower deck (and, if I really wanted, the upper deck) to myself, feeling the cool draftiness take over and getting a bit of a chill (even though outside we had unusually warm late-winter weather). The game finally ended, we packed-up and headed back to Decorah, while watching the next two teams take the field.

3. April 2001 or 2002, the date of the '91 team on-field reunion. I went with my parents, and we're in the front row right above the Twins bullpen. Joe Mays is going longball toss, his throw goes a bit errant...and grazes my mother and thwacks the seat as we're standing just before the start of the game. A.J. Pierzynski looks at me to get the ball thrown back, and I'm a bit flustered from a ball coming out of nowhere that I throw it to him left-handed...and, being a righty, my throw goes way wide (someone from the bullpen then tossed us a replacement ball as a keepsake -- heck, I just picked up that ball the other day). I can always say that my mom got hit by a Joe Mays "pitch."

4. September 22, 2013, my last Dome event, the Browns vs. Vikings game. I drag my fellow Viking fan mom along so she can see a final Dome game, and this is tricky since she can't walk fast (back issues), but with the crunch getting in, we're a bit late to our seats after kickoff. Meaning we have to do the slow "climb of shame" up the upper deck aisle during the action, ducking when a play happens, then asking a bunch of people to excuse us as we make out way to our seat in the middle of the row (Section 221, Row 27, Seat 18). I'm sure several of us have had the exact same experience, and that reinforced why the Dome actually does need a replacement (also looking at the small scoreboard across the length of the field -- man, does that stand out having been to Lambeau games of late). Then getting blown out the doors one last time; honestly, I loved that part of the Dome.

5. Umm...I can't some up with a fifth tangible Dome-related moment, so here's a "King's Thing's"-style compilation: the first glimpse through the seating portals upon arriving and grasping the vastness of the interior...taking note of the changing shadows and colors on the roof with the moving sun (an underrated aspect of the place)...watching the end of the George Mason-UConn game on the concourse TV with a bunch of other fans at the '06 NCAA regional while waiting for our game (Florida-Villanova) to start...being at that same August, 2002 Twins-Mariners game in the right field upper deck below the curtain for the same reason: possibly attending the last-ever Twins game...interviewing Brad Ruiter (mainly about Victory Sports One) on the field for a public access sports show in awesome Chicago dog at the aforementioned Joe Mays game...the plethora of tiny ice cubes in the '90s-era pop...sitting right nearby the A's players wives section during the '92 Twins-A's game that essentially knocked the Twins away from legit division contention (Oakland came from behind in the top of the 9th, Eck locked-up the bottom half, and the Twins were never the same that year)...and, surely, more.

Posted on December 31, 2013 at 1:27 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 5

I remember many of the sports events everyone has been talking about this week, e.g. Tony Dorsett's 99+ yard run; Eric Gulliford's one and only catch for the Vikings; the '85 All-Star game; AP's 296 yard game and Cromartie's 109+ yard return of a missed filed goal - in the same game. But what I will take away from the dome and what means the most to me is that it was the place where for more than 25 years I attended Vikings games with my parents. I lost my dad a few years ago; it was the time we spent together at those games that will always mean the most to me... even if my favorite term for describing the dome was "Uglydome".

Posted on December 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM by terry Highlight this comment 6

Great essay Rick! You are great for doing all of those! Many thanks.

I don't know that I can come up with 5 great memories of the dome...let's see.

1) Twins return home after beating Detroit. As soon as they announced the celebration was NOT going to be at the airport (which is how we did things in those days) but at the dome, we went down expecting 10,000 fans. We ended up half way up in the upper deck with the place filling quickly and folks desperately trying to open any concession stand they could. The roar and raw emotion of that moment, and how the players genuinely reacted to 40,000-50,000 folks spontaneously appearing just hours after they won the ALCS was fabulous. I never got to go to a World Series game, so this is as close as I got to that era, but I wouldn't trade that Twins moment for anything except game 6 in 1991.

2) Game 163 vs. Detroit. I had a meeting in Rochester that day, but said I had to cut it short at 2:00 to make the 4:10 (?) game. No one argued with me at all. Rushed back up and picked up the young lad and walked in at the bottom of the first. Way up top but on the first base side.

Not only the best live baseball game I have yet seen, but the teenage son got to do it with me and hear how loud that dome could get. Great memories.

3) Paul McCartney concert. The lovely bride and I saw this with reasonable seats. I don't remember the acoustics being as bad as everyone says, but I'm sure they were. He was great!

We followed him to Milwaukee and he played in the pouring rain. Since we had just seen the concert we knew exactly when it was "really" over, and bolted 5 minutes ahead of the rest of the crowd. We were showered and back in the bar an hour before other soaked folks got to the hotel.

4) Any 2nd game on the Twins schedule. We used to make a habit of going to the game after the opener. It would always be cold outside, often with flakes in the air, but we could go in with another 9,000 folks and see a baseball game. We never went to games in the summer when they were bad...only in the cold spring.

5) The last couple of years -- a huddling place before the TC Marathon/10 mile (no pride here...I run 10 not 26.2). It gave me a sense of the great community service the building provided. It was horrible and crowded at 7am, with not enough restrooms or really any comforts at all, but it kept us dry and warm and we put up with it. And for $56M or whatever, it did its job like a good Minnesotan. It wasn't great or flashy, but it did what needed to be done (almost always).

I made 5! I never went to a Vikes game there (but went to 3 at the Met). I did go to one monster truck thing (horrible), a few soccer games (not the same as outdoors at all, but still fun), one Timberwolves game, several Twins-fests, and I'm sure many others I don't remember.

I do appreciate how many high school and college games they accommodated as well as civic uses, and I'm glad we are trying to force more of those on Zigy. It will be good for the Cities to be without it for 2 years so we can all see the impact. I'm sad it won't be the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome, as we he was one of our most important civic leaders and so helped make Minnesota what it is today. I hope we can honor him in some way, as he built this state so much more than an outside real estate developer ever can. Just my opinion.

Posted on January 1, 2014 at 02:42 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 7

I went to the Dome that amazing 1987 night welcoming the boys back home. what a glorious night that was. I also went to the celebration in 1991 after the WS parade (I believe you had to shell out $1 per ticket to attend the 1991 celebration). I remember that was damn cold (but warmer than the last two weeks of 2013) and it was snowing.
Those were fun times...its just sad that the former was 26 years ago and the latter was 22 years ago. I wonder when we'll get a winning ball club again.

Posted on January 1, 2014 at 1:59 PM by luke Highlight this comment 8

I'll miss the echoes that would ring through the stadium when the PA Announcer would be talking. There was something strangely comforting about that.

Posted on January 1, 2014 at 2:56 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 9

The new stadium is almost twice as big as the Metrodome, wonder how much bigger the Xcel Energy Center would be Met Center if the arenas were overlapped.

Posted on January 1, 2014 at 9:51 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 10

I believe the X encompasses 600,000 square feet. I have seen that number quoted on several sites after a Google search. I would imagine the Met may have been about the same..but its doubtful. It didn't have as many levels (the X has six or seven, including service levels, club levels, general seating and the press level). The Met didn't have anything like that. I couldnt find any square footage information on the Met.

Posted on January 2, 2014 at 1:01 PM by luke Highlight this comment 11

The square footage of the Met's physical footprint, since we're talking about overlays, was 130,592 sq. ft. (308' X 424') The square footage figure Luke mentioned for the Xcel Center isn't far off from that stated on Wikipedia. They have the building listed at 650,000 sq. ft. But I suspect that number is the total square footage of all four concourse levels as well. The footprint of the Xcel Center isn't much larger than that of the old Civic Center.

Posted on January 2, 2014 at 6:09 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 12

Curiously, the old Civic Center was slightly larger in diameter at the top (compression ring) than it was at the base. Methinks that had something to do with its cable-hung roof system.

Posted on January 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 13

I wasn't sure if we were talking square footage, or the footprint, as Winona mentioned. I think the footprint is moreover measured in acres, which is the total land the building sits on. I think the Dome covers like 9.5 acres...but I don't know if that's just the land mass the actual stadium covers, or if it would also include the outside circulation ramps that Rick was talking about, plaza areas, etc.

Posted on January 2, 2014 at 7:21 PM by luke Highlight this comment 14

I read somewhere that the roof covers 9.5 to 10 acres

Posted on January 2, 2014 at 8:39 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 15

Well I've posted this one before, but it seems appropriate here. Late in Game 163. Click it.

Posted on January 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 16

Hoping the baseball gods, and the powers that be in Coopers town shine on us Wednesday: we will find out if Jack Morris will get the Call to the Hall this year.

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 07:39 AM by luke Highlight this comment 17

Us? You mean the Tigers?

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 5:44 PM by ben Highlight this comment 18

When a player gets elected to the HOF, what team do they usually represent, the one they played with the longest, or the team they finished their career with?
Morris wasn't here very long, and I didn't realize he had a couple other stints after the Twins. But, like Blyleven, he represents the Twins in the HOF, doesn't he, even though he played for several teams in his career? I know he played for the Twins two separate times.

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 6:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 19


Come on man. That was probably one of the more idiotic posts you've made. Try using Google once, it is a pretty nice tool to use.



Posted on January 5, 2014 at 6:25 PM by FD Highlight this comment 20

So, I guess we can't expect RATIONAL discourse around here, huh FD?
Wikipedia isn't The Bible, but it states that the team selected for a inductee is the team in which the player "makes his most indelible mark".
And I think in some cases, a player can pick the team hat they want immortalized on the HOF plaque.

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 8:22 PM by luke Highlight this comment 21

Morris played for Minnesota ONE SEASON (1991), where he won a World Series. He then went to Toronto, where he won another WS. If we're going to assume Morris would select the Twins because he won a ring here, there's just as much chance that he'd pick Toronto. However, the overwhelming bulk of his career, where he made his reputation, was Detroit. Bet on his plaque featuring him wearing a Tigers hat should he make it.

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 8:58 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 22

Forget Wikipedia; check out the online baseball almanac.

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 23

Because some players used to game the system for monetary gain, the HOF now chooses in every case which hat the player will wear on his plaque. How they make this choice is technically a "secret sauce," but it almost always coincides with exactly what everyone else would pick if they were to set aside homerism.

Which is to say that Morris, in the event that he gets the call, would go in as a Tiger. End of story.

And, Luke, I agree with FD in a comment which seems completely rational to me: Google is your friend. Use it. You might just have found this article...

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 9:55 PM by Rick 24

Interesting story about MLS in Minnesota. Should MLS come to Minnesota, the Vikings stadium might not be the only option and the Twins might also have a stake in the game, and the Farmer's Market might have a "football" stadium on it afterall. However the article is about a month old.

Posted on January 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 25

There is no question that Morris had one VERY bright shining moment in a Twins uniform. But, he was basically just a one year rental. The majority of his rep as a ballplayer was made as a Tiger.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 08:14 AM by benm (aka ben) Highlight this comment 26

Winona and Rick...Google usually is my go-to. I wasn't sure what to enter in the search without it being a sentence Well anyway...the more you know, right?

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 09:43 AM by luke Highlight this comment 27

I think the firm contracted by the MSFA/MSFC is in over its head. They are a signage company, but have no experience in this field. Apart from charging what appear to be slightly below market prices for the seats, which prompted my order among other things, they don't seem up to the administrative workload and possibly the removal of seats themselves in a timely fashion.

I sent in my order right away. An autoreply email came, but no other contact, confirmation or request for payment had come afterwards. A call to see what was going on resulted in a forced hold message pleading with seat buyers for patience and assurances that someone would be calling soon with details. I got through to someone today and sounds like they're completely backlogged.

John Kriesel Tweeted a picture from inside the Dome yesterday that he presumably also took yesterday and it shows nothing having been removed from the upper deck while the lower deck appears to be only about half done. Albrecht Sign Company has about two weeks to finish getting seats out of there, the last two days minus electricity in the stadium. I'm not sure if they can make it at this rate.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 1:41 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 28

If you guys promise not to get mad at me, clicky for a photo gallery from KFAN detailing the progress at the Dome. Jorge has it right, they seemingly are not far along in this process at all.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 4:53 PM by luke Highlight this comment 29

Minnesota United? I never could understand what the “United” meant. Does anybody have an explanation for it? I know there are other soccer teams both here in the US and around the world that use “United” as part of their brand, but why? For that matter, can someone tell me what the “Real” prefix used in a team name signifies? There might be a legitimate reason for it, and I’d like to know what it is before I simply assume that MSL teams want the public to see them as more European in nature to jack up their appeal.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 6:11 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 30

Winona, "Real" is Spanish (phonetically Ray-al) for "Royal". Real Madrid is a good example...I believe Real Madrid was selected by the king of Spain as the national team.
The other one: FC (Toronto FC for example) = Futbol Club.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 7:05 PM by luke Highlight this comment 31 further explanation. Apparently other teams in Spain are also given the "Real" distinction, so I misspoke about the "national team" but it is a distinction given by the king.

You're probably right in that we are trying to be European by imitating their names. After all, we don't have a king, but we have a Real Salt Lake... lol.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 7:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 32

I picked up my seat today at the Dome. Photos posted in the link at my name. Quite the surreal experience driving my car right onto the floor and looking around the place.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 7:38 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 33

That's a great photo set, hoffalu. Thanks for sharing it!

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 9:02 PM by Rick 34

I agree. Great photos hoffalu. Nice last look at the Dome. They've taken the video boards out I see. Wonder what they'll do with them.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 9:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 35

Those are fabulous pick Hofflalu! Thanks so much!

Those blue chairs are truly horrible in my opinion. I'm glad those that have an attachment got them, but 64,000 of them was a horrible idea even 32 years later. I'm sure it was cool then, but they had nothing to do with the sports or the teams that actually played in there. I'm sure it was a compromise selection to not piss anyone off.

They really should go purple in this next one and just go all the way overboard. Let's just make it a great shrine to the Vikes and let others use it 200 days a year.

Posted on January 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 36

No problem! By the way, that chair is hea-vy. They definitely built these things to last through multiple games over the decades.

Posted on January 7, 2014 at 5:33 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 37

What do you figure the seat weighed?

Posted on January 7, 2014 at 10:38 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 38

Star Tribune reporting that single game Twins tickets go on sale Feb 22, 10 am. Opening Day will be offered beginning on Jan 24, which is the first day of Twins Fest.

Demand based pricing will be in use beginning Feb 23. If you want to see the Brewers buy Feb 22 (assuming demand will be higher for those games) but probably wait to Feb 23 to see the Astros?


Posted on January 8, 2014 at 11:28 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 39

Just ordered my spring training tickets. That brings a bit of warmth into this corner of the Polar Vortex.

Posted on January 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM by terry Highlight this comment 40

Jorge - according to this ST article, only about 10k of the seats have been purchased, so there is no need to remove all of them by the deadline. Article also notes the seats weigh about 35 lbs each.

Have they gotten back to you yet?


Posted on January 8, 2014 at 11:34 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 41

Jorge - I posted this earlier today but it appears to have gone into cyberspace so I will try again (apologies in advance if it ends up a duplicate).

Star Tribune reports about 10k of the dome seats have been sold, so I would assume the sign company is under no requirement to remove every seat from the place. Just what they can sell.

It also notes that each seat weighs about 35 lbs.

Did they get back to you yet about picking up your seat?


Posted on January 8, 2014 at 2:40 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 42

Apparently no call to the Hall for Morris. Glavine, Maddux and Thomas get in according to

Posted on January 8, 2014 at 3:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 43

Blackjack got hosed, there's all there is to it. MLB needs to switch over to the NFL way of selecting HOFers.

Posted on January 8, 2014 at 3:25 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 44

Anyone know who is getting the turf?

Posted on January 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 45

I heard the turf was sold to one of the local small colleges, but not 100% positive.

Posted on January 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 46

I'm sure many of us have been to this little museum over by the Dome a time or two.

Sure would be nice if it found a new home over by TF -- like maybe in that new Interchange development...?

Posted on January 9, 2014 at 8:56 PM by Rick 47

I remember going there several years ago, and seeing a stub from Super Bowl IV (vikings-chiefs). I was surprised to see it, because I had heard that many were ruined because they were torn in half, rather than torn at the perforation. The one he had displayed was perfectly torn.

Posted on January 9, 2014 at 9:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 48

Its a small explanation, but its basically what I have heard over the years. Some 90-95% of SBIV stubs are "not perfect" which makes the one Dome Souvenirs had pretty rare. Clicky.

Posted on January 9, 2014 at 9:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 49

He's the guy who bought a bunch of sheets for the Beatles to lounge around on, then cut them up in little squares and sold them.

Posted on January 9, 2014 at 11:37 PM by benmc (aka ben) Highlight this comment 50

Relocating Ray Crump's store/museum to the new Transit Interchange is a great idea. I hope it can happen.

Posted on January 10, 2014 at 09:54 AM by terry Highlight this comment 51

From the January BA meeting...Resolution to approve installation of a message/center ribbon board at Target Field. Don't know exactly what they are talking about here.

Posted on January 10, 2014 at 8:36 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 52

No one from Albrecht Sign Company has contacted me yet for payment although a staffer did respond to an email inquiry saying that they were working through the backlog as quickly as possible. I was getting concerned and more than a little upset out of fear the order had been lost, particularly due to others having picked up their seats already. A guy posted a photo of the Dome's interior today and my section was visible with my seats having been removed along with some others while the overwhelming majority remain in tact. That's encouraging, at least. Albrecht more or less stated on its website that seat specific orders for upper deck seats will be fulfilled last for "logistical reasons" (they're not even taking additional upper deck specific seat requests), so I'm sure this will be resolved soon.

Posted on January 10, 2014 at 10:18 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 53

If any of you need to update or add to your wardrobe, Sid is having an estate sale apparently. Clicky.
Winona, add inane joke (here).

Posted on January 11, 2014 at 7:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 54

I'll oblige you, Luke, but only under the condition that you reciprocate with one of your typically uninformed comments.

Posted on January 11, 2014 at 9:24 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 55

The Vikings stadium bonds were to have gone on sale this week, but Doug Mann, defeated Green Party candidate in the recent Minneapolis mayoral election, filed a "petition for a writ of prohibition" on the basis of the bond issue being unconstitutional because the citizens of Minneapolis didn't get to participate in a referendum on the city's financial participation. The state budget commissioner says the cited issues "have already been dealt with" previously. Nevertheless, the legal action must be disclosed to potential bond purchasers. So to not depress the price at the bond sale, this suit must first be addressed.

The big sticking point is the stadium project needs the injection of capital the bond issue will provide. Construction and architectural bills are coming due and further work is set to take place. If things get bogged down enough, it could delay the project which has a tight timetable and budget. Mann had previously filed a similar suit in November that was dismissed in court. I expected a suit like this one a year or so ago, but not now, to be honest. The impression I get is that the suit won't go anywhere and the budget and schedule problems created by the delay are the real issue.

Posted on January 12, 2014 at 3:03 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 56

That idiotic charter provision that Mpls passed years ago requiring a referendum on city expenditures on stadium construction, but on no other projects was stupid and poor public policy. The city council could authorize a bazillion dollars for a thousand foot tall velvet art painting of Elvis, but their hands would be tied if and only if the project was a sports stadium.

Posted on January 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM by terry Highlight this comment 57

After reading the comments under the story on the Strib website, just remembered how stupid anti-stadium people are on that website, memories of Spring 2006. Haven't seen any comments from that idiot Rip Anderson.

Posted on January 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 58

I'm getting nervous.
Not that they want to, but the Vikings had provisions to play up to four seasons at TCFBS, yes?
And what's worse, is any significant delays only ramps up the construction cost. I wouldn't be surprised if the price jumped by $150 million if it gets halted for a year.

Posted on January 12, 2014 at 9:00 PM by luke Highlight this comment 59

Big projects like this have to expect such nuisance legal actions -- and they plan/budget for it.

And that's all this is. It's highly unlikely to affect anything of significance in the project.

The charter amendment was specifically vacated by the stadium law, making it a completely moot point. And, if the truth be told, it cost taxpayers a helluva lot more money than it saved. It was the epitome of well-meaning people doing exactly the wrong thing to make a point which did not need to be made.

Posted on January 12, 2014 at 9:13 PM by Rick 60

Reading the Strib article on this subject, all of this talk about delays appears to be for one of two reasons:

1. Posturing to get the Supreme Court to act quickly, or

2. Excuse for a delay which they already know is going to happen.

The construction schedule has always been very aggressive on this project, but with so many moving parts I could easily imagine that something somewhere has already put the original opening date in jeopardy. It's a whole lot more fun to blame that on nuisance legal activity than it is to admit that you couldn't pull things together.

Given that the Minnesota Supremes have already cleared the specific bond mechanism being used, it's hard to see any way they could support this writ. There's just nothing there.

Also, it sounds like they had no trouble finding takers for these bonds, so it seems unlikely that the sale is in any way jeopardized by this.

Just part of the churn.

Posted on January 12, 2014 at 10:29 PM by Rick 61

Here's an interesting article that I missed last spring about street parking around the major venues.

Very useful maps, if that's your preferred method of parking for games.

Posted on January 12, 2014 at 11:04 PM by Rick 62

I don't think about A-Rod very often, but I read this and thought, wow:

Since Rodriguez is not on the Yankees' 40-man roster because of the suspension, one official said that would give the Yankees the right to send him to workouts with minor leaguers instead of Derek Jeter, Mark Teixeira and the rest of his big-league contemporaries.

One official said the Yankees could go as far as to have Rodriguez on the minor league side but instruct their coaches to basically ignore him -- to not hit him grounders or throw him batting practice.

That school. In fact, that's what used to happen to me in elementary school!

Posted on January 13, 2014 at 12:19 AM by Rick 63

Also, on the stadium "delay"....the worst possible outcome is the Vikes have to play meaningless pre-season and maybe a couple of September 2016 games on campus. The negotiated lease with the U allows them, so assuming it doesn't drag for months and months this is a non-issue.

Posted on January 13, 2014 at 8:26 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 64

The early Strib report on the stadium bonds didn't quite characterize the current legal action accurately. Here's a better explanation.

Basically, the new argument is that the constitution forbids paying state bills with taxes imposed only on some sub-section of the state. Since the stadium is a state project, it would not be acceptable to use funds from taxes collected only in one city.

It's compelling -- at least more so than it seemed in the first reports.

Compare this deal to Target Field. In that case, it was Hennepin County making the deal to build the ballpark, and the tax was imposed in Hennepin County. Everything is just fine when it matches like that.

But this time it's the state making a deal to build the stadium (not the city), and a small sub-portion of the state (the city of Minneapolis) agreeing to impose taxes on its residents to pay for part of it. That's technically a no-no.

That's an argument which certainly has a better shot than I thought after I read yesterday's summary. I still don't think it's much of a threat to the project, but it could certainly eat up some time...

Posted on January 13, 2014 at 9:02 PM by Rick 65

Found an article today (clicky) which has a video of seat removal at the Dome. It is a panoramic shot, and it seems that a significant number of seats have been removed. There are many left, but just in a few days there seems to be substantial progress. Its looking pretty empty.

Posted on January 13, 2014 at 9:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 66

Well, without digging too deeply into that 1864 Supreme Court case, If I had to bet, I'd say the Supreme Court today finds a pretty easy way to rationalize the state's use of a tax income stream from one source to pay for another project that does "peculiarly benefit" Minneapolis in a number of tangible, direct and indirect ways. But stranger things have happened, I guess...

Posted on January 14, 2014 at 09:18 AM by BR Highlight this comment 67

I recall a conversation I had with my state rep about 15 years ago when the push for a ballpark was just beginning. He asked how it would be paid for and I responded "concentric circles", meaning the subdivisions of state government, i.e. cities and counties, closest to the park and deriving the most direct economic benefit should pay a greater share. The whole state benefits from Target Field, but Hennepin County and the city of Minneapolis benefit most directly. Same will be true of the Vikings' stadium.

Posted on January 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM by terry Highlight this comment 68

I agree that "peculiar benefit" for Minneapolis won't be hard to find, though that could raise a question about the proportion of funding versus benefit. In other words, is Minneapolis getting exactly the same slice of benefit as the funding it is providing?

This sounds like sort of a backwater in the constitution, and it's easy to imagine the suit getting tossed pretty quickly. But who knows? If the court takes it seriously, there may be some paperwork involved in making it go away.

Posted on January 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM by Rick 69

I agree terry. I'd also note that the State didn't pay much of anything for Target Field. I'm paying 0.15% in additional sales tax on my purchases as a Hennepin County resident (which somehow I have absorbed without society coming to an end despite the predictions), and the Pohlads put in much more as a percentage of the total stadium than Zigy. But apparently the Vikings are a state asset and the Twins are a more "local" asset. Though let's tally regional attendees/viewers/listeners throughout the calendar year for both teams and see what we find.

I actually am just joking about this because I know each deal is unique and crazy. I'm only stating...that the Hennepin county board is smarter and more organized than many other government entities.

What government entity sponsored/built the dome at the end of the day? I very much dislike the dome, but you can't dispute that it was a well used civic building that was built on a reasonable budget.

Posted on January 14, 2014 at 10:14 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 70

I'm waiting for The Onion to come out with an article requesting fans to return their stadium seats because of a deal falling through. #MetrodomeBreach

Posted on January 15, 2014 at 12:32 AM by Tk Highlight this comment 71

Albrecht Sign finally got in touch. My order is being fulfilled. However, I won't get to drive into the Dome to pick the seats up. That will happen at their Fridley offices, likely next week, because of the specific seat request. It's okay, the line up of cars to get into the Dome was unreal in that video Luke linked. I have neither the time nor patience to put up with that.

Thinking of the Metrodome, a significant date in its history was October 24, 1987, Game Six of the World Series between the Twins and Cardinals. That game started at 3:00 Central. No World Series game has been played in the afternoon since then and likely never will be again. Game Six of the 1988 World Series was to have been played on October 22, 1988 at 1:00 Pacific in Los Angeles between the Dodgers and A's. However, the series ended in five games. So the Dome takes to its grave the last afternoon World Series game. None have been played since 1987 or scheduled since the unnecessary 1988 game.

Posted on January 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 72

Thanks for the trivia. At this time, it doesn't look like the Twins want to host an evening game anytime soon.

Posted on January 15, 2014 at 12:12 PM by tk Highlight this comment 73

I remember thinking during that afternoon game in '87 that MLB was finally playing a WS game during the day and it was being played in the dome, completely detached from whatever was going on outside including the daylight.

Posted on January 15, 2014 at 12:28 PM by terry Highlight this comment 74

Clicky for a picture of the Dome seat removal progress from the Twins Grounds Crew. Very odd looking.

Also, I saw an article this morning that said Albrecht Sign is removing an additional 10,000 seats that will be for sale at their Fridley office. They have also been selling to people just showing up with cash on site. Today is the last day at the Dome. Here I thought I had missed my chance... now maybe I should get one. Anyone buy one and have an opinion on if it was a good purchase or not?

For me, even though the Dome was bad, it was my stadium for EVERYTHING for my whole life... until a few years ago. I think it would be kinda cool to have a seat. Plus it's "only" $65.

Posted on January 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 75

I bought two seats and had my brother pick them up for me last Friday.

I am not sure what I am going to do with them, but did not want to pass up the chance now and then regret not buying any 5 or 10 years down the road. As bad as the Metrodome was as a venue, I had a lot of great memories there with my dad, including my first-ever Twins game in 1988 up until game 163 in 2009 and the Vikings playoffs in January 2010. So many memories over the years.

I got two single sequenced seats 3 and 4 (separated, but still sequenced)

My ultimate goal is a sports room/den in my basement and I could probably mount the seats to a wall or something. Until then, they will collect dust in my basement. You really can't go wrong with $60 per seat. As time goes on, they will only become more scarce and more expensive. I may even buy on or two more yet when they go on sale at the Albrecht Sign warehouse in Fridley.

Posted on January 16, 2014 at 07:50 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 76

Replays officially expanded. I like it!

Posted on January 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 77

Who really thinks controversial calls will now be replayed?

Posted on January 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM by ben Highlight this comment 78

Why not?

Posted on January 16, 2014 at 7:50 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 79

The only good thing that came from this replay nonsense is all plays will be shown on the main screen. Now if only the Twins would remove that hokey box score that takes up 1/3 of the screen when they do so.

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 03:43 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 80

Being the huge geek that I am, my first thought on expanding instant replay is "now the camera people are going to be under more pressure to get the shots to view on replay".

Yea, I'm weird that way...

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 08:21 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 81

Excellent comment Duffman. They use that board so inefficiently. Have you posed that question to DSP on Twitter?

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 08:30 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 82

F_T_K, I don't think that's weird at all. I think it's fascinating in both a good and a bad way how cameras have transitioned from a luxury item for the viewer to a necessity of the game.

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 08:44 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 83

"all plays will be shown on the main screen"

I doubt they will (all) be shown just because they can. Wasn't the whole idea that some plays would not be shown in order to not rile up the fans? Would that not still be the case?

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 09:20 AM by ben Highlight this comment 84

I'm happy that replay will be expanded, but eight umps in New York? Each one watching two games? That's weird.

As I've said many times before, put an extra ump in a booth at the stadium. It makes more sense, and allows everything to happen much more quickly, including allowing that ump to overrule the umps on the field (which apparently isn't possible in this new system; they still have to wait for a challenge before acting).

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 10:29 AM by Rick 85

I would prefer that MLB simply put a "video umpire" in the pressbox and have that person decide which plays are worthy of review. Giving the manager two "challenges" invites unworthy challenges (could you imagine Billy Martin or Earl Weaver?)and can also lead to plays which should be challenged going unchallenged because the manager is out of them. Make it the video umpire's call with no restriction on the number of reviews.

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 10:30 AM by terry Highlight this comment 86

Frankly, I don't think managers should have any official "challenges" at all. The umps should get to decide when or if anything gets challenged (the ump in the booth having the final word), and the managers, like they do now, have to work the umps to get what they want.

If a manager is abusing that, the umps have the right to shut them down.

But if there are three blown calls, and they all go against the same team, this new system won't allow a manager any recourse.

But I'm looking at this new procedure and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. They are adding umps, and upgrading stadium facilities, and from the 7th inning on will be doing it the way it should be done.

So this looks like a good incremental step toward the ultimate right way.

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM by Rick 87

As for what they show on the stadium boards, that whole "not rile people up" thing was always BS. Holding back those replays was face-saving for the umps, and nothing less.

It's good to be rid of that, and I think the teams long ago recognized what such replays could add to the in-game experience.

The question is whether they'll replay things that are likely to go against the home team...

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 11:19 AM by Rick 88

According to this article it was MLB's decision. Although Selig has a quote about it that makes me hate him even more. Good riddance to him when he retires.

"Our fans will love it," Selig predicted. "You know, the thought that, in the past, I could be sitting at home watching a game and get all the replays. And [somebody else] could be sitting at the ballpark and couldn't see any of these replays. That's just wrong."

If that's just wrong why had he not fixed it in the many years of giant video boards?

At least we know who will be running Hell's baseball league when he dies.

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 89

Other than A-Rod, who do you suppose the players are (or will be) in the HBL (Hell's Baseball League)?

Ty Cobb? All of the 1919 White Sox? Anyone who has ever worn a Yankee uniform?

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM by Rick 90

"Ty Cobb wanted to play. But nobody liked the son of a b**** when he was alive, so we told him to 'stick it'". Ray Liotta, Field of Dreams

Posted on January 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM by luke Highlight this comment 91

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