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March 4, 2010 11:18 PM

Taking a trip down to the ballpark between appointments this afternoon was a spontaneous decision which reaped some surprising rewards.

It has seemed for months now like all we can do is wait for the gates to swing open, that there was nothing left to discover from the sidewalks. Well, wrong.

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The dish!

After reporting here on numerous occasions that there were no knotholes from which any part of the action could be seen, lo and behold I found one.

It's pretty tiny, part of the Oliva gate area. In fact, though I didn't measure it very scientifically, I discovered that moving my camera about six inches one way or the other was enough to make it disappear. So, if you can't get a ticket, find that foot of gatespace and claim it for your own.

Just don't get your hopes up because there's a lot of concourse and standing room between that gate and the action. Odds are quite high that if you stand here during a game, you'll be looking at asses.

For reference, here's what you'll see through the long-touted "official" knotholes:

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Knothole non-view #1


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Knothole non-view #2

But there were other things to discover.

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Tickets!

The circulation building is such a distinctly separate part of the design, that it never occurred to me that it could contain any ballpark operations. But lo and behold, there are ticket windows -- warm, climate-controlled ticket windows, behind that glass.

In fact, here's some of that climate control now:

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Stay warm while buying tickets.

Directly above this scene, furniture has gone in on the Town Ball Tavern balcony.

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Town Ball Tavern balcony

Now that the barricades are gone, there's lots to see behind the Oliva gate.

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Heaters over standing room (the backs of the retired number circles visible above)


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Note the speakers hanging beneath that deck

It's so great to see TC caps walking around down there. If you haven't taken a sidewalk tour, now's the time.

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TC caps everywhere! (Is that you?)

More from my tour tomorrow.

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Please, Rick, from here on out try to incorporate the word asses at least once in every post.

Posted on March 4, 2010 at 11:52 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 1

Anyone else notice that the attendance figure in MLB The Show 10 lists TF as 22,932? I just played a quick game so perhaps thats a single game figure. Can't imagine that EA would miss something that badly.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:08 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 2

Eric,

Couple things:

EA (Electronic Arts) does not make the game, SCEA(Sony Computer Entertainment America)does.

And they list capacity at 40,000 which is about right, the figure you saw was for that game only.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:20 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 3

If Target Center wants to put ads on its building that can be seen from the ballpark I wonder if any other buildings my try that as well.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 01:24 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 4

I have long thought that the Target Center should change the random looking brown and tan colors on the facade to accent and match the random colored limestone on the outside of TF(not the whole outside, just where those two colors are), then it would truly look like TF and the TC belong next to each other.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 02:07 AM by Tom, OG Highlight this comment 5

I apologize is this has been mentioned before, but Charley Walters reported that the final seating total for Target Field is 39,504.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 05:27 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 6

Continuation from last thread on Buffalo's comment about reasons for coming to a game:

I REALLY don't care why people come either, although I would surely like to believe they came for baseball. Where you lost me was when you said that you don't care if the people in front of you get up several times. How on Earth can that not bother you? That directly impacts your ability to watch the game. You can and will miss balls and strikes and even occasional plays in the field.

Buffalo, I enjoy keeping a scorecard. It is how I enjoy the game. My wife and I often keep track of balls and strikes, including first pitch strikes. It is simply something we do and it is our way of enjoying things. I cannot tell you how often we have had people block our view. Now, before you mention that I cannot expect to see everything all the time, I'll respond by saying that I agree with you on that point. It is only when it gets to be excessive that it becomes an issue, and it becomes excessive for many people. It is only on this point that I might agree with Reusse. My letter to him makes a clear point that I disagree on most everything else he said.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 06:49 AM by jpberka Highlight this comment 7

Great pics Rick! As always.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 06:53 AM by luke Highlight this comment 8

nice update Rick.

Thanks

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 07:54 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 9

for those of us who never went to a twins game at the met, we've all known in our heads that it will be a real treat to enjoy the major league baseball experience outside. but after seeing these pix, it just kinda hit me how substantially different tf is from the dome. it's like going to the prom w/ the cutest girl from yer class: you know she's gonna look great all dressed to the nines, but when you actually see how hot she looks in her formal dress you just can't help saying 'yeah baby!'

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 08:03 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 10

Does anyone have any 2k10 pics of the Twins in their road unis? Thanks!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 08:52 AM by Rusty Shackleford Highlight this comment 11

northstar will serve 53 of 81 home games this summer!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 08:54 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 12

I'm glad that the Northstar rail has added those runs....but did you see the prices???? My gawd. A family of four coming from Anoka is $40 roundtrip. You're almost better off taking a cab.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:03 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 13

...or did I read that wrong? Is it $10 for the whole family? If so, then that's not a bad deal. ;-)

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:05 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 14

Someone posted at least 1 in their road unis from the last thread.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:05 AM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 15

This may be nit-picky, but the concourses seem a little bland to me. Other than the directional signs, there is little "color".

I am assuming there will be more decoration added to the walls? Maybe the droves of fans in their best Blue and Red will take care of that.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:06 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 16

jpberka, I think it's unrealistic to expect everybody to sit in their seat when they get to the ballpark and never move. I usually do, especially not that my daughter has reached an age where she can go off to the restrooms on her own, but I'm not going to begrudge someone in front of me if they get up several times during a game. Life's too short to be that petty over missing a pitch or two.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:09 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 17

With all the kiosks, and smaller concession areas in the concourse, it'll look fine and filled in. The concourse wont be as boring looking during gametime.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:27 AM by MB Highlight this comment 18

DreDogg - Remember that there will be food and beverage carts scattered throughout the concourses as well. I've said this before and I'll say it again. One thing I love about our main concourse is that there is a hard lid (actual ceiling). Most parks have all the ductwork, fire line, etc. all exposed. The hard lid really dresses it up. It is really going to look nice at night when the up lighting is on.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:31 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 19

The thing to notice about these concourses are the wide open spaces...

Think Montana versus New Jersey.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:32 AM by Rick 20

Tarps back on the infield...

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:34 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 21

I just realized that you can see the backs of the retired number circles in one of those pictures.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:34 AM by Rick 22

Today in the Pioneer Press:

"Tough ticket: Next week, the Twins should pass 21,000 season tickets sold for their inaugural season at Target Field, and feels 22,000 is within reach. The Twins also have finalized seating capacity at their new home at 39,504."

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:47 AM by Rusty Shackleford Highlight this comment 23

Correction: *Yesterday* in the Pioneer Press

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:50 AM by Rusty Shackleford Highlight this comment 24

Those northstar prices are definitely reasonable, $17 round trip for a family of five from big lake, that's $1,70 each, each way. I'm just surprised they are not serving all the games.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:53 AM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 25

I do like the fact that they used soffit to cover up the beams, I just thought the off-white color of the ceiling/walls was too close to the concrete flooring/beams.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:53 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 26

Anyone else notice that their tickets are not viewable right now on My Twins Tickets? I could see mine last week, but checked today, and nothing...

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 09:58 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 27

I remember seeing one of those park and ride things somewhere south of Forest Lake, just off 35. Anyone know what station that is? That could definitely be an option for me.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:05 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 28

Leroy-- Maybe Multifoods will put up a giant ad of an attractive building!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:08 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 29

Eric,

Regarding the attendance figure on the Show: That attendance figure is for that particular game, and it varies depending on whom you are playing. If the Yankees or a chief rival are in town, the attendance goes way up. If you're playing a subpar team like the Oakland A's, the attendance will be lower.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:10 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 30

Getting a little antsy for TCTraders to get up and running. I want to get this out there.

I have the following tickets for sale in April. Let me know if you are interested. I would rather offer them up to you all rather that putting them up on craigslist or stubhub.

2 Tickets - 4/15 @ 12:10 vs. Boston - Section 121, Row 16, Seats 9 and 10
2 Tickets - 4/16 @ 7:10 vs. Kansas City - Section 121, Row 16, Seats 9 and 10

Email if you are interested.

Thanks!!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:12 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 31

interesting survey sent to season ticket holders here are a couple questions:

Please tell us how important each of the following Season Ticket Holder benefits are to you, or to someone you share your tickets with. Some of these benefits may be familiar to you and some of them may be just concepts.

My Twins Tickets - Transfer or re-sell your tickets online
Invitation to visit the Twins Broadcast Booth before or during a Twins Game:
Twins Lunch Box:
Complimentary Scoreboard Message:
During-the-game updates on players and game stats sent to your smart phone:
Player Autographed Bat or Glove:
Post Season Ticket Priority:
Personally Raise the Twins Territory Flag over Target Field prior to a Twins Game:
Season Ticket Holder Inaugural Keepsake Pin:
Behind The Scenes Tour of Target Field:
A chance to get a Commemorative Clubhouse Chair used by Twins players:
Interest-Free Easy Pay Plan - Pay for your Season tickets over several months:
View TWINS Batting Practice from a special location inside Target Field:

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:19 AM by jincr Highlight this comment 32

sorry i just copied and pasted the questions from the survey. Thats why it looks funny.

Sounds like they will have someone raise the Twins Territory Flag before each game.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:21 AM by jincr Highlight this comment 33

Anyone else notice that in Rick's picture of the ribbon board it has Kansas City vs Detroit in a 29-10 Barn Burner... WTF???

This is Twins Territory.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:27 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 34

I sure hope they have more stuff planned for T.C. Bear... whoever had that job in the Dome had it made. He comes on the field like three times max, never walks the concourse or the stands to shake hands. Other than star in commercials he might be the laziest mascot in the MLB. Maybe he can raise the damn flag.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 35

I hope they leave TC Bear at the dome.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM by jincr Highlight this comment 36

"You want me to do WHAT?"

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:57 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 37

Noah and I bumped into TC on the concourses a couple of times during games. He was great.

But I agree that it's a pretty cushy gig. I'm hoping he A) mixes in a few hot dogs with the T-shirts from that cannon, B) does it more than once or twice a game, and C) is on the plaza for pix after every game.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:01 AM by Rick 38

"Raise the Twins Territory Flag over Target Field prior to a Twins Game"

I hope this doesn't turn into something as cheesy as the "let's play hockey" thing at the X.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 39

trosy29,

We're in the early stages of the TC Traders. Still getting everything lined up before going wide. In the meantime, I have no objections to offers like yours appearing here.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:05 AM by Rick 40

4/15 tickets from Post #31 are sold. 4/16 still available...

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:42 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 41

Great post, Rick.

Good news on the Opening Day BBQ. We now have tons of prizes we're going to give away! Joe Mauer jersey, tees and tons of caps. There should be quite a turnout - I want to hang with the ballparkmagic.com crew there!!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:46 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 42

The shot with the escalator reminds me in many ways of what the TCF Bank Stadium concourse looked like before it opened.

Even though the concourse looks a little bare, the presence of people along with the various kiosks will perk it up, as others have mentioned. A space that is meant to be used by thousands will always seem a little off when it's empty.

TC Bear is funny deal. Once upon a time, the Twins organization was vehemently against having any sort of mascot. Despite poor execution and mitigating circumstances related to the operation of the club in general, the way Twinkie The Loon crashed and burned in the early 1980s steeled the resolve of the team to not have a mascot ever again. Now it's inconceivable that TC Bear will be turfed at any time in the foreseeable future.

TC Bear may not be a purists favorite, but he's a hit with kids and if it strengthens the bond between the club and an age group that has gravitated towards sports other than baseball in recent years, it's fine by me, especially since the Twins don't over do it like the Phillies with the Phanatic for instance.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:49 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 43

Note on TC Bear - There is some pretty funny banter between TC other baseball mascots on Twitter. He was going back and fourth pretty hard with the White Sox mascot a few weeks ago.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:51 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 44

Mascots are mandated by MLB. The Twins never liked the idea because it represents an extra and unnecessary expense.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:02 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 45

After opressing Rick, I'm suprised the Twins brass isn't all over this site demanding it shut down and hand over the domain name...

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:05 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 46

BTW - here's an image of Twinkie the Loon. Yikes!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:07 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 47

Anyone else notice that their tickets are not viewable right now on My Twins Tickets? I could see mine last week, but checked today, and nothing...

Hey Jimmer, Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but I just brought my son down to TF for another walk around and when we passed the main ticket both, there was lots of activity. They appeared to be boxing up the season tickets. This was around 11:00am today and they had stacks of boxes they looked to be pretty busy sorting tickets and putting them in nice decorative boxes.

I hadn't been down there in a while. Lots of activity, they also had the sound system blasting. I think it was Amy Grant for much of the 30 minutes we were walking around. No problem hearing it outside on the sidewalk. Tables are in the Metropolian club with table clothes already on the tables. I also noticed a bunch of guys walking around with chef hats on. Must be cooking for someone.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:09 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 48

Great new post Rick! I can hardly contain my excitement. Although opening day is stll a little over 5 weeks away, many of us will be walking through in only 3 weeks for open houses/Gopher game!!!!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:09 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 49

Amy Grant? I feel sorry for your ears.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 50

Tickets for Opening Day for sale!

I have 2 tickets in section 310, Row 5, Seats 1 and 2. These are in the family section and include a coupon for a free soda and hotdog. I will not be able to make the game so best offer takes them!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 51

Per Wikipedia (yeah, I know), TC Bear was loosely based on the Hamm's Bear...which, aside from them both being bears, I find to be a bit of a stretch.

Anyone know the real reason behind its introduction to the Twins? More curious, than anything.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:31 PM by AndyG Highlight this comment 52

I wouldn't be shocked if luke is TC Bear.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:34 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 53

Why not post a price and be done with it? Are we going to play "used car dealer" every time someone has extra tickets?

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:35 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 54

Ben - That is simple. If you inquire about tickets they may be $45 buck. If Luke inquired they may be $80. ;-)

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:40 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 55

all my kids love TC,,,, he takes pix with them and hands out his card.. guess where he lives? White Bear Lake.. go figure!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:43 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 56

But TC is brown...gotta love irony!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 57

Ben,

Mascots are mandated by MLB? Then tell me why the Yankees, Angels, Cubs, and Dodgers do not have Mascots?

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM by jincr Highlight this comment 58

KFAN Common Man has source is reporting that Mauer will sign by Sunday at 8 yrs and 22 mill per year with option for years 9 and 10 at 23-25 mill per year.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:49 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 59

I tried to do it that way to keep it anonymous for the buyer, especially since most people just get ripped on here after posting. What would I like to get? As much as possible, but what am I willing to sell them for? Well everyone knows you don't show your hand on the first deal.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:49 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 60

Josh,

I just sent you an email about the tix. Let's have a side email chat about it.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 61

This is why I wonder if TC Traders is going to be a successful endeavor or if it will just get overrun by scalpers. Maybe not a bad thing - I don't have a problem with what the traffic will bear but some have neither the time nor the patience to dicker around - which is why places like StubHub exist. The larger question is, perhaps, will the Twins let this one fly?

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 62

I am not a scalper by any means. And I know about StubHub, Ebay, Craigslist, etc... I posted here, and plan to do so in the future at TC Traders, because I respect the community here. I may not have followed this site as long as others, but I do frequent the site daily...multiple times. I am not ripping anyone off, I am not looking to turn a huge profit. I am looking to sell the tickets to people that want to see the Twins and Target Field just as much as myself.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 63

Man I hope the Common Man is right. I drastically want Joe Mauer contract-watch to end so that I can enjoy my weekend (and drink a whole lot of tequila in celebration!)

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 1:16 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 64

2:37 PM Friday --- still no promo schedule posted.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 65

How many seconds Ben? That post just made laugh because of all the people asking for it.

I'm the one who emailed Julie Rohloff and it says she is head of promotions. She did say by Friday. The Twins do seem to be pushing things off and doing things late this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's not up at all today.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 66

It looks like Mayo Clinic is a new sponsor this year. Have been seeing shots of their advertising on the ribbon boards over the last couple of weeks.

Also, the Twins did announce today that Michelbob's Championship Ribs from Naples, FL will be coming to Target Field. Click name for article. I could go for some Michelbobs right now along with some ice-cold Michelob Lights.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 2:50 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 67

It will be released Monday about 2 minutes before the STH presale

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 2:50 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 68

3:05:41, 42, 43, ---

I am probably not alone in wanting to see a promo schedule before the pre-sale. Maybe just another example of doublespeak?

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 69

Could be, Ben. I have a hard time trusting anything from the Twins because this would be the fourth or fifth time they gave me the wrong info, if it's not up sometime today.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 70

And here is DSP telling Twins fans to "PLAN AHEAD and buy early" yet the Twins can't seem to plan ahead themselves.

The promo schedule has been set now for several weeks, why do they wait until the last day to release the promo schedule? It would be nice to eye some single games before the pre-sale on Monday and Tuesday and I am sure there are some non-STH who would like to plan prior to March 13 as well.

The Twins have been lagging in many aspects since last fall relating to information and sending it out.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 71

Right, TTH. I prance around all day in a costume that looks more like a damn Gopher than it does a bear. Besides, I wanna ENJOY outdoor baseball at TF, not endure it in a body suit that absolutely has got to raise one's body temperature at least 20 degrees.

OK - I need some clarification, AGAIN, not to piss anyone off or anything, just to make sure I'm on the same page with everyone. 1) Is there a public open house at TF? I thought I heard that it was part of the Gophers ticket purchase on March 27. Is there another date in which to walk around our wonderful new ballpark? PS, I am getting more excited for outdoor baseball with every passing day.

2) Seriously, are there really going to be electronic ticket kiosks outside TF? So, you could walk up at 5AM and buy a ticket for a 7:05 game? Do you all remember those "That's the Ticket" machines they used to have at Rainbow stores? They lasted like 2 years...lol.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 4:04 PM by luke Highlight this comment 72

Part of it, no doubt, is that the Twins do not control their site (as has been pointed out) - but time after time we get nothing but unreliable information and even outright lies. As has been often pointed out, they are much better and helpful before they have your money than after. It's very frustrating.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 4:09 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 73

Luke,

By now, I think we all have realized that the Twins are kind of putting things together as they go along, which means that what is in the plan one day may not be the next.

Personally, I don't trust anything that isn't said in a formal press release. Once they issue those, there's no going back. Before that, what some ticket rep tells one STH doesn't really mean much. (No disrespect intended toward the sales reps on this. It's just how things are turning out. I bet it's frustrating to be them these days.)

Second, there are gigantic square holes in the limestone scattered around the outside of the ballpark near the gates and ticket windows. That's where the ticket machines will be going. There are lots of them, so I have no doubt that they will be for real:


Posted on March 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM by Rick 74

Let me say that you guys are in for a treat with the Michelbob's Ribs. They are an institution in SW Florida and you can often find Twins players/staff at their location on Airport-Pulling Road in Naples during Spring Training. I know LaVelle E. Neal is definitely a regular and will be enjoy the "Media" meal Sunday afternoon in the picnic area at Hammond Stadium. This is a terrific addition to the culinary options at TF. Try their BBQ sauce and/or ribs which are available locally from Lund's/Byerlys before the regular season commences...

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 4:26 PM by Max Highlight this comment 75

Perhaps they are waiting for the Mauer signing on Sunday before they release the promo schedule.

They might be trying to throw in a Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh Day in April.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 4:34 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 76

lol Dre.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 77

Long-time reader, very occasional commenter. I think I saw you walking around TF yesterday taking these photos, Rick. I was down there taking the "sidewalk tour" for the first time, and I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't been there before. I've driven by the place countless times, but actually walking around the place, peeking in through the gates, its an incredible experience.

I saw a guy yesterday actually installing the automated ticket windows, which makes me wonder if they're going to be open and operating by the time single-game tickets go on sale? I even snapped a photo of him installing it, I'll try to get that onto my computer and post it here.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 5:32 PM by FPM2K Highlight this comment 78

Here's the photo of the guy installing the automated ticket machines

One thing I noticed was that when I peeked into the windows of Hrbek's, the place is very small! I was expecting something more along the lines of a large restaurant, but it seemed more like a small bar with some tables. Is Town Ball Tavern similar? Was I missing something from Hrbek's?

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 5:37 PM by FPM2K Highlight this comment 79

The Twins apparently have no integrity as far as information goes and it seems like anyone you talk to uses a Magic 8 Ball to get the answer. We've already seen numerous examples where something is absolutely going to happen and doesn't.

As far as seeing it in a press release? Why should that matter? The Twins aren't even honoring terms in a legal contract with Legends Club members.

As for the promo schedule being released today or anytime before the presale, it'd be nice, but since the Twins have missed almost every date for season ticket information since the entire Target Field relocation process started. I just hope someone reminds them to open the field on April 12th.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 80

So long as there are people on the other side of the gate with money in their hands --- no problem!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 7:17 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 81

josh,

dont worry, sell your tickets for what you feel they are worth, there are some tickets that i have that i am selling like 4/2 and 4/12 that i wont even put on tc traders cuz i want good money for them and i dont want to hear the bitchin... the fact is if you are looking to buy tickets for opening day hen expect to pay more than face value, even on tc traders...or for the exb games vs the cards..if you wanted them for vace vaule then you should have gotten season tickets just last year for like 200 bucks!...

so with that said I also have seats for 4/2 that i want to unload I have them on stubhub but would take less on here if i have seen your name in the comments b4..even luke! just click to email me

now go ahead and get your hate on!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 7:31 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 82

TC Bear is the best hitting mascot in the majors.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 8:05 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 83

I'm convinced TC bear is just former Twin Chad Allen in costume...

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 8:49 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 84

In regards to TC Bear...

I am playing MLB 10 and he was doing the Running Man on top of the Twins dugout in between innings.

All is right in the world!

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 9:31 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 85

Another Block E business going down... (Guess before you click.) Can we try that wrecking ball again?

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:14 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 86

Can any STH tell me if my situation also applies to them. I got a recorded voice mail message on Thursday telling me about the pre-sale and the fact that I should have received a password already for the pre-sale (which I haven't). If I didn't get one I should call the Twins on their special STH phone number. I called and no one answered. I left a message and we have been playing phone tag. The guy who left the voice mail sounded like he just turned 16 and had all the professionalism of someone of that same age (I apologize to all 16 year olds).

So, it is Friday evening and the pre-sale is on Monday morning.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:28 PM by Bob323STH Highlight this comment 87

I got both the phone call and the email with passcode on Wednesday,,,The special STH Hotline like I previously posted is worthless.Call your Rep...Or email them..If you don't get any code I could give it to you.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:42 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 88

I got the email, but not the phone call. I second the comment about calling your rep and not the hotline. Anytime I've called the hotline for anything but *very* basic info, I've gotten no help (with one exception). Many times there isn't even anyone to answer the phone.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 10:53 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 89

I got the password, and it's VERY basic. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone got the same exact code.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:26 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 90

Heard it on the news tonight that the Twins on monday are supposed to announce A new hotdog vendor woo hooo.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:58 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 91

Interesting article on MLB.com by Peter Gammons (being the Red Sox homer that he is, you would think he would get the opening of Target Field correct as its April 12 against the Red Sox of all teams, not the 10th)

Aside from the typical weather rants we hear from the national media pertaining to the Minnesota weather, this is one interesting bit I noticed in the article:

But regardless of the weather, the Twins will realize a significant bump in revenues with their new park. They're about to sign a new radio and TV deal.

"It's not quite a Seattle deal," said one club official, but another says it will put the Twins within "the top 8-10 revenue teams," giving them a higher payroll than the Dodgers.

You can no longer call the Twins cheap for not spending money on payroll if they are in fact a top 8-10 revenue team and have a higher payroll than a team such as the Dodgers.

Does anyone know when the TV deals are up? Do the FS North and WFTC My29 TV deals expire the same year?

FS North's ratings are as high as ever and they are broadcasting more games than ever, even in HD! I hope they continue to be the flagship TV home of the Twins. We all know what happened to Victory Sports One in 2004....

Unless My29 improves their quality, I hope the Twins get some bids from WCCO TV or KMSP like they had back in the 1980's and 90's.

In the end, we all know it will be about the money, so it will be interesting what happens when the TV and radio deals are up.

Posted on March 5, 2010 at 11:59 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 92

schweady - i see a well known local establishment taking over the hooters space as soon as the city evicts them. at least i hope they get kicked out a.s.a.p. something tells me that they already have a decent joint lined up for the space and just need to get the owners of the hooters out of there.

there are so many better establishments that could do a great business in that spot. why in the world do property owners put dime-a-dozen, boring joints like hooters, applebee's, champps, etc. in these spots? there is nothing that differentiates them from any other locale in the rest of the city or burbs.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 01:19 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 93

The "Tickets" window may be for the light rail or Northstar trains. But it would be much cooler if it were tickets for the ballpark.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 08:03 AM by Wally Highlight this comment 94

Why aren't Minnie and Paul the mascots instead of TC Bear?

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 09:30 AM by Tom, OG Highlight this comment 95

Probably because it's cheaper to hire one mascot than two.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 09:57 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 96

TC is for the kids. That's why he's cuddly, snuggly and a bear. I think he is stupid but the twins aren't trying to market him to a 33 year man. What kind of kid want to run up and hug two overweight middle aged men named Minne and Paul. Leave that to Bernie Brewer an over the hill hairy man that kids or adults don't want any part of.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 10:38 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 97

Pardon my age, but didn't the Twins have a bird as a mascot back in the Met days?

Just like the Wild, it's tough to come up with a representative mascot (that's probably why they don't have one prancing around the X) for the Twins as the Twins aren't Lions, Tigers or Bears (oh my). You're probably right Jim, it's probably more for the kids than anything... .

Wally, to my recollection, the Northstar/Hiawatha ticket machines are inside the intermodal station...

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM by luke Highlight this comment 98

All due respect luke,

The Wild do have a mascot. He didn't come into existence until recently and it was pretty easy to miss the announcement about it.

The Twins loon was linked by The Truth Hurts earlier in this post.

Thought you would like to know.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 12:02 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 99

the wild's mascot sports one sick mullet

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 12:22 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 100

Thanks Jared, I was not aware - on both accounts.
That goes to show ya, I haven't been to the X for a LONG time.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 12:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 101

With the bump in revenue, it wouldn't kill them to hire a second mascot. Play up the whole "twin" bear thing. The second one could be a female bear to appeal to the little girls. Name her Eloise or something.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 12:35 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 102

uh oh...why is Nathan coming out during an at-bat? The trainers came out and pulled him. This better not be bad news. ugh.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 103

Nathan was taken out for "precautionary reasons after experiencing soreness in his right elbow."

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 1:25 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 104

I meant to post this earlier...

Previously we had mentioned different areas of the park that may be hittable by a homer at Target Field. I had roughly run some of my own numbers and drew some conclusions. Then I decided to run it by Greg over at Hittrackeronline. He's got some very extensive data and some more accurate conclusions than I got. Here are his results:

1. Puckett gate. The closest point of the Puckett gate is 459 feet horizontally and +30 feet up, by my reckoning. To get to that spot, you need a 480 foot homer or longer (and that's just to short-hop the gate, not clear it). In all of MLB that happens about 3 times a season, so don't expect a ball to fly the gate in your lifetime (in a game, at least - maybe in BP). A bounce over it is certainly possible for anything in that direction hit roughly 450 feet or so - definitely possible, but also not very likely, as only a little more than 2% of all homers are hit that far, and only 16% of all homers are hit in the right direction to bounce over the gate, giving each homer a 1 in 266 chance of "qualifying". So if Target Field sees 160 homers (about 2 per game, close to average), I figure there is a 45% chance of seeing one of those homers hit far enough to hop the fence. If no one gets in the way, that is!

2. The bronze glove. This seems to be about 490 horizontal feet from home plate, and around 35 feet above field level. This would require a blast of about 515 feet. Unless the Puckett Gate turns into a wind tunnel due to some quirk of the architecture, not going to happen any time soon.

3. The Budweiser roof deck. This looks to be about 85-90 feet above field level, and around 345 or so horizontally. This is possible, distance-wise, but very unlikely due to the scarcity of very high-arching balls hit down the lines. Since its opening, I don't recall anyone having hit one up on the top of the Western Metal Supply building in San Diego, which is a pretty similar spot to this. So, reachable, yes, likely, no.

4. The scoreboard in left field. The very bottom left corner of it is 435 feet from home plate and +110 feet, roughly. Hitting that would require a 530 foot homer. Although that will probably be commonplace in the various video games that "simulate" MLB, in real life there is no way. Too bad, that would be a sight to see!

5. The celebration sign. To reach the southern border of the state outline, which is about 450 feet and +80 feet, would require a 515-520 foot homer. On a warm day, with some wind helping, that is possible, but of course not at all likely.

6. The bottom right corner of the trapezoidal ad sign is more reasonable, but still very unlikely. I place it at just over 400 feet from home plate and +90 feet. A homer of about 460-465 feet hit in just the right direction could kiss the corner of this board. This implies, of course, that the upper deck in that area is definitely reachable, and should see some homers landing there this year, although not a lot of them, more like a handful at most.

7. Highway 394. No way, not even on a bounce. This is just too far away, and any enormous bomb hit in that direction would have to bounce at least three times to get there, at which point I can't see it getting over whatever railing/wall they have surrounding that opening. If someone ever tells you one made it, don't believe them.

Should be interesting to see how the park plays and how close Greg comes with his results.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 1:55 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 105

As big as an acid trip that loon looks like he's on, he's still infinitely cooler than that dumb ass bear TC

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 1:59 PM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 106

Jared,

Great info. Thanks!

DreDogg,

You are obviously not familiar with CT -- TC's evil twin who comes out occasionally for promo stuff before games.

It's a great bit because it always looks like whoever is in the CT suit has never worn it before, looks pretty unkempt, and has pretty much no idea how to move around and get things done.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 2:07 PM by Rick 107

Was down at TF this afternoon snapping some pictures. People were going anywhere they wanted to on the plaza. If you haven't been down there before, now is the time.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 4:01 PM by Rusty Shackleford Highlight this comment 108

Well, now that we're into another new season, more frustration about the crappy AM 1500 signal. Simply amazing that it could be this bad for a major league team in a major metro area. I really hope they dump this next year and get into reality.

Does anyone know when we'll have Spring Training televised? So far I haven't seen anything on that.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 109

It's under broadcast schedule on the Twins site. Here's the link.

The first one on tv will be March 13th.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 4:41 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 110

According to the schedule, FSN will have the 3/13 game at noon against the Phillies. The perfect backdrop for my online ticket hunting. Hopefully, I'll have tix to a few games locked up by then, barring a 3-hour virtual waiting room experience...

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 4:57 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 111

Ha! Rick, I indeed have never seen CT before. I am guessing the two were out on the field together?

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 5:14 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 112

i listen to all kinds of games streaming on gameday audio and they all sound the same in the spring. They are in the open air and there is a lot of background noise. Not that I'm defending 1500 - I don't like Gordo. ech.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 7:22 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 113

Here is the spring training television schedule:

FSN –
March 13th
March 23rd
April 2nd
April 3rd

WFTC29 –
March 21st

MLBN –
March 13th
March 14th
March 23rd
Match 28th
April 2nd

ESPN –
March 29th
March 31st
April 1st

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 7:22 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 114

I just saw on craigslist a sth is selling the open house tix they recd. today... has anyone else got them in the mail yet? i have not gotten my tickets for the exb. games yet or home opener.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 8:13 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 115

I received my open house passes today - no tickets yet.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 8:39 PM by Mike115 Highlight this comment 116

There is zero percent chance AM1500 lets the Twins go. Not with them rebranding themselves as the Sports Talk station. If they lost the Twins, they would have no sports broadcasts at all. I know they could still say they are the Sports Talk station, but having a team to call their own makes it much better.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 9:28 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 117

our tickets didn't arrive yet...but hey, I'm wayyy out in Plymouth. It may take a while. :p

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 10:23 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 118

Keep TC Bear for the kids, and have Minnie and Paul race a cheesy-looking mascot representing the visiting team. Minnie and Paul could really rough up the other mascot while racing around the warning track. At KC Chiefs games, their mascot, KC Wolf, gives someone or something representing the visiting team a good going-over before the game and it's a real crowd-pleaser.

If the KSTP1500 signal is lousy in the Twin Cities, are there any affiliate stations in the Twins' network close enough to be picked up there?

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 10:26 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 119

I am in the southwest and the problem here is we are too close to the city and too far away from "outstate" to get an affiliate. Therefore I'm "stuck in the middle with you." I can pick it up most of the time outside when I have a radio with digital tuning, but on a dial in the house is hopeless.

Additionally, as has been well documented here and elsewhere, the signal is so prone to interference that when you are in your car downtown there are times you can barely get a clear signal due to other stuff creating noise.

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 10:53 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 120

have you tried gameday audio?

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 11:12 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 121

No, what is it? MLB's pay radio?

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 11:50 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 122

While we're on the subject of pay radio (if we are), is there a satellite format that allows you to listen to Twins Radio uninterrupted?

Posted on March 6, 2010 at 11:50 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 123

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Skinny dugouts at TF









New Downtown Minneapolis Public Library (Source: RP)






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Remember the pitch heard throughout Twins Territory? What an amazing day that was, April 12, 2010. (Photo by Tyler Wycoff)






Good seats, but no scoreboard or sky.



Town Ball Tavern balcony






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There must be millions of details needing tending



Inside the Metropolitan Club. Classic photo of a youthful Bob Casey at far right. (Photo by Tyler Wycoff)






One more time from the third base side.



Skyline to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the outfield with you... (click to enlarge)



Walkway connection



The Ron Coomer corner features a bar.



New section labels, but some curious choices.



Do you need to know the score?



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New Concept Drawing - No Roof






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Killebrew's mammoth shot on June 3, 1967 is currently memorialized on a wall at the Mall of America



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Dome, what have you taken from us?



Ticket window at Gate 29/Carew



Upper deck view of the out-of-town scoreboard.









Main ticket window area



Very nice Admin glass.



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Print press box



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