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Sunset Limestone

July 29, 2008 1:55 AM

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The sun was stubbornly hazy, so I spent a fair amount of time just standing and looking suspicious to the cop having a smoke across from the ballpark tonight.

He didn't seem to care that I was taking pictures, but disappeared into the parking ramp when his break was over. He might have been watching for skyway photo bandits like me. I don't know. But I didn't go in.

The limestone has reached up toward the top in a very specific section. It has not migrated any further. This is easy to understand once you realize that the "crawling" crane which hoists the panels can only move once a complete section is done.

Since the main grandstand is still taking shape as you move from right to left, it's easy to see that the grandstand has to reach its full height before limestone panels can go on. Ergo, this one area has now reached its full external height ("canopy" excluded, of course).

Bluff?

The press documentation for the first limestone panel installation says, "The walls are designed to emulate the naturally exposed ledges of stone visible along the banks of the Mississippi River."

This seems reasonable, but I felt it was worth checking out. Noah and I took a long drive up and down the West River Road looking for some naturally exposed ledges for comparison. They were somewhat sparse.

But just as we got to the top of the road (it ends temporarily while construction is completed on the new 35W bridge), I saw something useful:

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I'm not a geologist, but there's definitely a resemblance.

What interested me more about this particular spot is how oblivious the Weisman Art Museum (shiny building) is to its surroundings. Rather than harmonizing with, well, anything around it, the architect has chosen to create a building which says, "Look at me -- only me! -- hey! are you looking at something else, bluff boy? trees? brick? the river? -- get over it! I'm here now!"

Of course, much the same can be said for pretty much any one of Gehry's buildings. I do not like them. (Could you tell?)

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Rick....Thanks for these... you never let us down! That is going to be the best ballpark in the majors...I am really starting to fall in love with the fact that this will not be a "throwback" ballpark but modern... Thank you!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 07:40 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 1

Tom,
truer words were never written.. lol
DSP is like the Twins version of Charly Walters (shooter) he tells us the most obvious stuff we already know!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 07:44 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 2

Has anyone ever seen the new ballpark transposed onto the current Metrodome set up to compare the scale and dimensions of the field? That would be pretty cool to take a lot at.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 08:11 AM by Matt Highlight this comment 3

Awesome pics. I also echo Maza's comments above...so true in both cases.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 08:17 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 4

That sounds like a job for MOJO!!!!!!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 08:20 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 5

Matt - I know that Rick did something like that when the new ballpark schematics were originally released. You'd have to dig through his archives to find it.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 09:00 AM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 6

Love the site, minus for the thoughts on Frank Gehry. Love the Weisman and his work.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 09:36 AM by Karl Highlight this comment 7

Matt, The dome image with the new ballpark image superimposed over it is on the "Concepts and Measurements" entry from June 1, 2007 below. Click my name for the picture without the article.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 8

THE BALLAD OF LIMESTONE
(sing with gusto)

Come gather round, people, I'll tell you a tale
Of a substance more hardy than sandstone or shale
That was formed 'neath an ocean that no man did sail
And it goes by the name of Limestone

The rock remained hidden for millions of years
Then was brought to the surface, and now it adheres
To a very large building where men will drink beers
And it goes by the name of Limestone

Though the men who cut stone are well-known to be stoics
They smiled when they quarried these Paleozoics
For these rocks will witness Great Baseball Heroics
And they go by the name of Limestone

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 10:47 AM by the_ballpark_poet Highlight this comment 9

^^^ Splendid once again! Do you have any books out? If not - you should!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 11:07 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 10

My opinions - Siskel & Ebert style:
Limestone: Thumbs up
Rick's pics: Thumbs up
Frank Gehry: Thumbs down (way down)
Ballpark Poet: Thumbs up
Return of LaTroy Hawkins: Thumbs down
Lack of 2nd Webcam: Thumb in Dave St Peter's eye.

Save me the aisle seat.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 11

It looks awesome at dusk. As always, thanks for the pics.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 11:29 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 12

'Earlier, Kent took a swipe at Frank Gehry, architect for the Atlantic Yards plan, quoting Gehry as having said, "I don't do context." Gehry's creations "may be placeholder icons," Kent said, but "they're placeless buildings."'

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 11:29 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 13

Rick - Thank you again! That limestone looks AWESOME!!! Now, all we can do is wait for MOJO's 50 pics! :)

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 11:31 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 14

like a limestone cowboy

riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo

like a limestone cowboy

getting cards and letters from people I don't even know

and offers comin' over the phone

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM by yeahklye (glen campbell) Highlight this comment 15

Every time I see the Weisman building on a sunny day I feel the urge to seizure.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 12:20 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 16

Every time I see the Weisman I think.... I wish the recycling guys would just haul it away on Tuesdays.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 1:05 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 17

Totally agree about the Weisman. It's like it's single-handedly trying to put Minneapolis on the cultural map. Can't say that I really like the new Guthrie either. It looks incomplete.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 1:26 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 18

Small note: I tweaked the comment rendering engine to more accurately display all the poetry... (Never thought that would be an issue on this site!)

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 1:30 PM by Rick 19

Thanks Tom for sending that image, it really shows how "intimate" this place will be, especially in left field.

I thought I read somewhere about the dimensions from homeplate to the last row in upperdeck LF, can anyone recall that number?

I am thinking into the future for Home Run Derby, which could see some 2nd half of upper deck dongs!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 1:32 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 20

In tweaking the comments, I also added some formatting, link, and image tags. Go at it!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM by Rick 21

...and what's all this about the return of Hawkins...?

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM by Rick 22

Lafferty,

The New Guthrie is different. It's not totally divorced from its context. It's massing is similar to the surrounding mills. It's very shape is informed by them. While it's certainly over the top in terms of style and aesthetics, it nevertheless has far more context than Gehry's deconstructivist geometric sculpture.

The New Guthrie's exterior form both invokes and industrial past, yet still clues a passer-by into it's current purpose - as you can see the backside of the thrust theatre's seating from the street, the shapes clue you in to what's going on inside. The deconstructivist stuff, on the other hand, features facades that have nothing to do with the function of the building. Gehry is notorious for this, as are others. That kind of architecture serves a purpose, too - but it is more about sculpture and ornamentation than functionality and design. I think the New Guthrie juggles both roles quite well.

For the ballpark, thankfully the constraints of the site have forced a high level of functionality.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 2:47 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 23

NOOOOOOOOOOOO HAWKINS PLEASE WE HAVE PLENTY ON THE PAYROLL ALREADY THAT CAN BLOW A 5 RUN LEAD.....LIKE FAT FACE AND CRAIN

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 3:10 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 24

The latest on the return of Latroy... seems that the Tigers are interested too.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 3:15 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 25

I think it is worth a shot at getting LaTroy. No, his stats aren't pretty, but maybe all he needs is out of NY and back in a small market environment? The Yankees said they will eat his salary, and if that's the case, then why not?

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 26

Nvm that thing about the Yanks eating his salary, I misread. My bad.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 3:45 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 27

why not?

cuz he has played for about 4 teams since he has left here and has bombed in every city small market or large, he was starting his decline when he left here, left a fan base.. he had a fan club here i remember seeing the local 10 o clock news story about him and his fan club.. these fan club memebers were real close with latroy they even baby sat his kids some times and he always hung out with them.. i shit you not .. these rubes would run erands for him like grocery shop or wash his cars... he claimed he loved them like family well a year later he ran for the big payoff...and has sucked ever since. i rememeber this so clearly cuz i rememeber thinking why in the hell would he let these crazy fans watch his kids???? then i thought why would these crazy fans provide free day care for this millionalre... someone correct me if i have it a lil mixed up but im pretty sure thats what it was...

oh and by the way the main reason is cuz hes out of gas.....

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 4:01 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 28

Alex B, very well said in regards to the new Guthrie. Are you an architect? You certainly sound like you know what you're talking about.

To be honest, I've never seen the Guthrie in person since I live in California. It's nice to know that the Guthrie's design is also functional. When desconstructivsm is functional, like the new Twins ballpark, I tend to like it more than just a bunch of randomness for the sake of randomness like the Weisman.

As for Hawkins. PASS

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 29

I thought the new guthrie was a downtown Best Buy or Ikea when it was being built... The only thing good about the Guthrie is that it makes the Dome the second worst building downtown.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 4:11 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 30

moda253 said: "I thought the new guthrie was a downtown Best Buy or Ikea when it was being built... The only thing good about the Guthrie is that it makes the Dome the second worst building downtown."

come on now moda. i think that is a little over the top. the guthrie is not as bad as some of you paint it to be. i actually kind of like it.

we all know the hump dome is the second worst building downtown after the f-ing multifoods tower!

:-)

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 5:14 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 31

i'm w/ you, betaband: i love the new guthrie and hate the weisman (and the walker, too). and i love the new library. it seems to me that this ballpark is not as psycho as the weisman and the walker, but hits the sweet spot of design that the library and guthrie both do.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 32

Man its toasty in the parking ramps....I felt like I was in a sauna today.... Maybe we could get Dave St Peter to turn the AC on...wait...we can't even get him to turn the second webcam on.

enjoy the new pics!

Keep up the great work Rick!!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 6:11 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 33

You rock MOJO.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 6:53 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 34

oh please mojo, you have no idea what hot is....This time of the year I can't even swim in my pool during daylight hours...I feel like I'm being poached. I've already thrown in 12 large ice blocks to cool it down. That lasted 2 days.

And thanks for the pics!!!! You da man!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 8:38 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 35

No, not an architect. I'm an urban planner, and quite a fan of good architecture.

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 9:55 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 36

Rick and MOJO Thanks for the pics the limestone is awesome!

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 10:43 PM by Limestone Highlight this comment 37

I plan on writing more on the local architecture in preparation for discussing the relative merit of the ballpark when it opens.

The Guthrie is a conundrum to me. On one hand, it does harmonize well with the mill ruins. On the other, the bridge jutting out over the river bluff is sort of unsympathetic to the natural environment. It looks like a man-made thing literally thrust into a natural space. (My wife commented that much distinctive architecture has phallic undertones, and the Guthrie sure qualifies on that account. "Most buildings," she said, "except the Metrodome -- which is so womb-like." I'll give her that. There's nothing phallic about the Metrodome.)

That bridge is sort of like "stunt" architecture. The look is distinctive and drew lots of attention, but there are plenty of other ways to feature the river view without resorting to something so extreme.

Inside, the building is quite functional with some glaring errors. The multi-story escalators are nifty but ill-considered. We were already up by the entrance to the thrust stage before we wondered where the will-call window was. Turns out it's tucked away with the rest of the box office in a lobby that is beyond the point where the building consciously moves visitor upwards. In other words, the escalators basically suck you in before you have a chance to realize that you might not want to go up there right away.

No big deal, I thought. But it turns out that both escalators sometimes only go up before shows, and only go down after. To get back down to the will-call window before the show required quite a dance to locate the only elevator (where a large contingent was waiting to rectify the same mistake we made -- it took several elevator loads).

Outside, there is much to like, but the primary statement that the building seems to make is, "I'm an important building by an important architect" (Jean Nouvel). And while it's unfair to compare it too much to its predecessor, the original Rapson Guthrie was significantly more welcoming. It seemed to say, "Come on in and see a good show."

I've mentioned before how much I love the downtown library. And the Federal Reserve Building just up Hennepin is a true gem. Those are by Cesar Pelli and Gyo Obata (the "O" in HOK), respectively.

Don't get me started on the new additions to the Walker (Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron) or the MIA (Michael Graves). Two big stinkers...

Posted on July 29, 2008 at 11:09 PM by Rick 38

Thanks MOJO!

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 07:50 AM by Mazaratiririck Highlight this comment 39

Sorry fellas. Those of you that like the guthrie can have it. I think it possibly would be better placed in another part of the city but it's a terrible contradiction in it's current setting. It looks like it's build out of legos. It's a terrible color in the neighborhood where there is some classy development going on mixed with the old mills and the stone arch......

And don't get me started on the stupid scrolling signs. Why? Just why? I swear these architects get together in a room and think of the ugliest building they can possibly come up with and then sell it to some city calling it "artistic" and "intriguing design". Sadly, no it's hideous and no amount of marketing it is going to change that in 5 years it's going to be a complete eyesore to the majority of the people that like it today.

It isn't groundbreaking yet timeless like Frank Lloyd Wright. It isn't the same type of architecture that this ballpark is doing where it is mixing in stone and steel. It's just a big ugly blue building with terrible scrolling reader boards in yellow lettering going sideways and verticle.

Sorry if some people like it. I think it's the most hideous building I've ever seen. To me it's THAT bad.

Now mind you I am all for the arts and theatre so it's not like I hate it because I am not into the arts. I just look at it and think.... Why?

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 09:43 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 40

Regarding the Guthrie...Why not?

It's different. It's a land mark. It's intriguing. It's something that gets people in this state talking. AND it's a great place to see a show.

Rick, you said it screams "Look at me, I'm made by a famous architect." If that is its result, it certainly was not its intention. Nouvel has stated in many interviews that he drew all of his inspiration from the building's surroundings. He even brought in a cherry-picker during the planning stages so he could figure out what height offered the best view of the river...thus the current endless bridge. As phallic as it is, we should note this is the largest unsupported cantilevered bridge in the US right now, which is pretty cool. The dark blue skin is a direct homage to the mississippi's water (the original color was a golden yellow to represent the wheat that was essentially the catalyst for the mill district in the first place), and the large round 'drum' of the building is designed to represent the grain elevators not 40 feet from the Guthrie's front door. Maybe the biggest positive of this building is it's phoenix-like impact on the previous sea of parking lots...we saw a brand new neighborhood spring out of NOWHERE that i am not sure would be there today without the Guthrie relocating to it's current spot and gaining the National attention it has over the past three years.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 10:10 AM by JohnK Highlight this comment 41

I love the Guthrie. I work at the U and live Uptown, and I find myself taking different routes on the way home to check the Guthrie out from different angles. I really can't say it any better than JohnK did above. and like it or not, it has had a positive impact on the surrounding neighborhood.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM by Don T Highlight this comment 42

if someone is looking for a reason to dislike the architecture of the guthrie, he will find it. i disagree w/ your comment, rick, about the original guthrie being 'welcoming.' in my opinion, it said 'excuse me, but we're doing shows in this crappy-office-building-turned-to-stage....'

tastes differ and while there never will be a consensus around any building's design, johnk is right: the guthrie was well thought out, is the only reason that part of downtown is booming, and has been internationally praised for the finished product.

(now if they would only build a skyway to it...)

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 10:43 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 43

yeahklye,

I was referring to the ORIGINAL original Guthrie:


Photos don't really do it justice. And the facade was made of wood, so it rotted away unfortunately quickly.

First it was replaced by something not-quite-so-good, and then later by something really the opposite of what was originally intended...

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 10:55 AM by Rick 44

ah, i stand correctly (albeit whilst sitting). now that original guthrie is some good design. looks to me that the new guthrie tipped its hat to the original building.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 11:09 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 45

I think people are reading too much into things when they call buildings Phallic and "Womb-like". I think form follows function for the most part. I doubt the architect of the Guthrie had a penis in mind when he made that bridge out to the Mississipi, I think it is more likely that he just wanted a good view of the river but couldn't build the building any closer than it is so he had to make a bridge to get closer to it. Also, I like the Weisman, it's supposed to be fish swimming into the Mississipi River and whe you look at it that way it makes much more sense. I agree it kind of clashes with the other buildings around the U with the columns and everything but not in a bad way. Also, artists are eccentric, so shouldn't their buildings be a little eccentric (I'm including the Walker and Guthrie on this one)? I think it is nice and brings a new element to the city when there are buildings that act as landmarks and stick out from the normal boring construction.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 11:21 AM by Robert Highlight this comment 46

i don't know, robert. learning that the weisman is supposed to be a fish swimming makes me hate it even more. it doesn't look like a building nor does it look like a fish. it looks like the results of a giant tin-man's vomit.


Posted on July 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 47

For all of the people who get mad that we talk vikings on this site I hope you get mad that were talking about the guthrie also. Get use to it people its not all about the park.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 11:48 AM by (rude loser) Highlight this comment 48

MOJO,
Awesome pics. That's what I call stepping up and getting the job done. Thank you.
Guthrie-Schmuthrie...let's keep those cameras clicking away on LOL Field.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 11:48 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 49

Ugly or not, the fact that we debate whether we like the architecture means that it has served its purpose. Unique buildings add interest to a city. Look at Barcelona, people are extremely polar over Gaudi's designs, but no one can deny that they help make Barcelona an interesting place to visit. I happen to like both the Weisman and the Guthrie, but even if I despised their designs there's no greater evil and disappointment than a building that is built to blend in. To me, the Carlyle, the 5th ave. "lofts, the 2nd st "lofts" are examples that are truly uninspiring. Not trying to be snobby because good architecture need not be expensive. Those buildings I mentioned were not even built as affordable housing -- they're expensive and there is nothing that makes them better than living in the building next door (save the view and amenities of the Carlyle). They are the equivalent of hanging the flower print you find over the bed in a Ramada Inn next to a Picasso. (hey, that might make a pretty contraversial exhibit at the Walker -- I call the rights, anyone got a Picasso?)

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 50

YES!!! Got tickets for tomorrows sweep (hopefully, not sure with livan on the mound) and yes I will be tailgating!

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 51

Livan isn't bad! He has done more than we could have asked him to do, and he has done miracles with a young rotation which was a weak point at the beginning of the year!

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM by Sheesh Highlight this comment 52

Rumor has it that the Twins are expected to make a major announcement on Thursday, September 25 regarding the new ballpark. Could this possibly be the long-anticipated naming rights deal heading into fan appreciation weekend?

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 1:38 PM by Tom Peterson Highlight this comment 53

I was at the game last night. Great times! It's amazing our team
is where it is, but I can't help wondering whether it's good
coaching/managing/playing by our side or poor performance by the
rest of the division.

Still, who'da thunk that the Twins would be in a conundrum about
which starting pitcher to demote when Liriano comes back?

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 1:51 PM by David Highlight this comment 54

Oh, and one thing I realized last night: I hope there is some way
the Wins can incorporate the classic scoreboard graphics like
"Walks will Haunt" and "Call to the Bullpen" at the new ballpark.
That's just good basball nostalgia. Hard to imagine what they would
look like in HD though.

Boy, that ghost is one f'd up graphic! Looks like it's giving you
a kiss or something. Part of the charm.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 1:54 PM by David Highlight this comment 55

Not only that David, I want the old Twins-o-gram back.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 56

The walks will haunt has to be one of the most disturbing graphics ever.

Runner up has to be the disembodied clapping hands

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 3:13 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 57

hey rick,
can you limit the length of names on comments? the person complaining about discussion of architecture is screwing with my browser....
thanks

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 3:26 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 58

Rick,

For some reason this site is messed up and does not display properly on the browser. Could you please look into this? Thanks.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 3:30 PM by Dave Mueller Highlight this comment 59

Every day I rush
to computer with glee
to find if there might be
something new I can see

Look there's some new stone and something quite yellow
I spy a flagpole
It waves back to me
saying "hello!"

Webcam oh webcam whose eye I peer through
please do show me there is something new
I see the new pro shop and steel in a tangle
It's just that I wish for at least one more angle

If only we were able
to peek in and see
just what the devil
is behind parking ramp B

Webcam oh webcam
now I'm getting quite bored
Where is your twin brother?
On top of old ford?

I will check back later
once more with great zeal
maybe by then
we'll see center field

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 3:34 PM by the_other_ballpark_poet Highlight this comment 60

I'm hoping that the Twinks hire a whole new video team altogether... but sure, keep some of the old graphics to use for nostalgic purposes.

Every time I go to a Giants game or even a Royals game, I'm reminded of how much better other teams do their multimedia. They constantly come up with new ideas for fun in between innings. For example, the Gmen added "air-guitar" in between innings which has gone over really well.

Hopefully having a huge HD scoreboard will motivate the Twins to come up with some new ideas. As much as I love the KISS CAM, it shouldn't be the highlight of the media presentation at a professional sporting event.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 3:43 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 61

Names are now limited to 20 characters. Just like elementary school, it only takes one rude loser to ruin the fun for everyone else...

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 3:45 PM by Rick 62

It was probably Phil Krinkie...He has lots of free time on his hands these days.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 4:23 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 63

Latest construction update from the Ballpark Authority:

Ballpark Area
Construction Update
7/30/08

This Update is the 58th in a series of informational alerts to let you know about the construction going on related to the new Twins Ballpark.

Closures:

One closure requires closing two lanes on the 7th Street Bridge to allow for slab pouring for the Team Store. There will be numerous trucks pulling up to off-load concrete. The closure will be tomorrow, Thursday-July 31st from 9am until 3pm. One lane of through traffic will remain open but the 7th Street Bridge sidewalk will close to pedestrians.

The 7th Street Bridge will also be affected on Monday-August 4th from 6am to 3pm. The precast subcontractor needs to make connections to the panels that have been set. They will use an aerial boom lift parked on the abutment. One lane of through traffic will remain open but the 7th Street Bridge sidewalk will close to pedestrians.

Motorists, bicyclists and pedestrians are encouraged to drive, ride and walk carefully, expect delays, and allow extra time to reach destinations.

Questions? Contact Chuck Ballentine, Deputy Ballpark Office Coordinator, at 612 543-7274 or chuck.ballentine@co.hennepin.mn.us

NOTE: Project information may change due to weather, scheduling or other factors outside of our control. Information will be updated as soon as it becomes available.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM by Mo Highlight this comment 64

I was over on 4th street getting sushi after work and looked at the stadium dreaming of nights like tonight when I am sitting outside in the heat watching the boys of summer fight for first place.

Ah, the [future] memories....

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 7:26 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 65

sheesh I have a serious question for you. If the Twins make the playoffs would you want Livan to start a playoff game? I really want to hear your response. I couldnt believe we won 10 in a row with him in the rotation and I knew he would be the one to end the streak and sure enough it was him who loss to milwaukee. Oh and he ruined the sweep tonight also.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 66

More wins than anyone on the staff, doesn't get hurt!, veteran presence to teach the young rotation how to pitch(don't need to throw 100 mph to win and just the presence of a veteran can have an effect on the confidence of the starting pitchers), and what about Slowey who has a .500 record when figuring into the decision(7-7)? You take two losses and base whether he should be in the rotation based on that? If he was such shit, then why don't the Twins replace him in the rotation with Liriano, right? Do you still have no faith in the Twins and Gardy? I think they know more about the qualities he brings to the rotation than you do Jared, but maybe not, huh? Fire Gardy and let Jared manage the team, then we would be in first place for sure!

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 10:36 PM by Sheesh Highlight this comment 67

I love the words you put in my mouth. I said nothing about Gardy and Slowey nor would I ever question Gardy. He is a good manager who works with what the front office gives him. If you want me to be the manager then yes I would replace Livan with a HEALTHY Liriano any day of the week. I do like your arguments and affection for livan but you still did not answer my question.

Posted on July 30, 2008 at 11:57 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 68

Wins are an outdated way of measuring a pitcher. Livan has performed better than we thought, but he's extremely hittable. 5.31 ERA, 1.60 WHIP, a dismal 3.48 K/9, and opponents are hitting .353 against him.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 12:11 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 69

Yeah I would take talent (Liriano) over experience (Livan) every time.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 12:27 AM by Kyle Highlight this comment 70

lol thanks for the stats Lafferty.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 12:40 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 71

Lafferty - its good to see that some baseball fans are capable of looking beyond wins and losses when judging a pitcher. Livan is not a good pitcher, he's not even an average pitcher. Statistically he's one of the worst starting pitchers in the league. The Twins win in spite of him, not because of him. How anyone can say try to say otherwise is beyond me.

Sheesh - quit drinking the kool-aid and realize that Livan is not good.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 07:48 AM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 72

We will all see Frankie up here next week, just need to get past aug 1st so he wont get the service time.. smart move on the twins part but also a bit shady...luckly they can cover it with the fact that no starter has been awful... but yeat livan needs to go... havign a vet is nice but hes getting rocked way to often... if you keep him in the rotation u need to move perkins or blackburn to the pen and frankie can take thier spot,,, not as a demotion to them just for the good of the team

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 07:51 AM by mazaratrick Highlight this comment 73

Maza is now my spokesman. Well said. The Twins have been doing this stuff for years. I can't complain with the results though.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 09:57 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 74

Since Livan has the same agent as Liriano, I wonder if Livan would fire him if the agent made a big deal about Liriano's service time and Livan was released to make room for him?

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 1:40 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 75

We can take a sigh of relief, as LaTroy Hawkins was signed by the Astros yesterday...Ken Griffey Jr. was traded to the White Sox though, he might be there for tonight's game. Pudge went to the Yankees...

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 2:16 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 76

Ken Griffey does nothing to better the white sox i feel.. another older low avg. ok power and often injuried player... if the twins got him it would be a upgrade though...ha ha..

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 2:35 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 77

Tonight might be the first time Griffey has played in the Dome since the movie "Little Big League".

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 3:41 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 78

Haha, that's funny Robert. I remember that movie, it was a rip-off of "Rookie of the Year."

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 3:58 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 79

Hey does anyone know why Billy Smith is calling a press conf. @ 4:30 today... its being reported on kfan... and it dont sound like its a trade

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 80

What's with all this baseball talk busting out on my favorite architectural criticism website? Weird...

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 4:06 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 81

If bill smith has a press conf to announce Frankie is coming up he is a true doof, and this will really disappoint me… fine you did not make a trade, nobody thought you would anyway but don’t announce a call up as if we added Bonds to our lineup ... hes in way over his head..

kinda like DSP trying to get geek squad to hook up that 2nd web cam

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 4:09 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 82

Yeah, I've seen nothing on ESPN or anything to indicate what this press conference might be. Probably just say the same old tired "We really like who we have now and are looking forward to an exciting playoff run!"

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 4:29 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 83

Maybe they are adding another Pat Borders, Brett Boone, Phil Nevin?

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 4:30 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 84

Hey folks we tried real hard to land a big bat and a 2nd basemen, but demtri young is not avaliable we are told and neither is luis rivas... so we will just roll with this team as is and bring up some more kids... you guys dont mind do you? you cant expect us to really spend on players atleast until our new digs open.... thats if we do then.... hey kenny williams, wanna trade us konerko now? we will give you franchise.. he will cost us to much

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 4:36 PM by Billy Smith Highlight this comment 85

I am glad Manny is going to the Dodgers and getting out of the AL!

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 4:42 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 86

I'm glad too, my season ticket package at Dodger Stadium just got a little more interesting.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 5:05 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 87

I say the Twins ought to go look for some guys like Scott Stahoviak, Pat Meares, Dave Hollins, Denny Hocking, Otis Nixon, Orlando Merced, Todd Walker, Jeff Reboulet, Rich Becker, or Marty Cordova.

Maybe find another pitcher in Sean Bergmann, Travis Miller, Bob Wells, Bob Tewksbury, Dan Serafini, Hector Carrasco, Tony Fiore, Scott Aldred, or Rich Robertson.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 5:50 PM by Wise Guy Highlight this comment 88

Lafferty,

Interesting and say... more expensive?

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 6:32 PM by mazaratitick Highlight this comment 89

My price for this season is already set.

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 7:27 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 90

i was refering to next year renewal..but yea

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 7:52 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 91

Looks like “Frankie Franchise” will be here in a day ….. one day past the aug 1st service time deadline…. I hope he can dominate

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 07:52 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 92

Twins Ballpark Notes: Fans will enjoy views of the ballpark construction site when a second Ballpark Webcam is installed on the Ford Centre in the near future

look just move the old one... better yet take my daughters xbox live vision camera and do it... are they waiting for someone to take livans contract b4 they splirge for the webcam... this same old view is getting kinda old after a year and a half

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM by DSP hater Highlight this comment 93

Hey Moda, I hope you weren't at the game last night or you might hate all Twins fans now? Had to give you a hard time...

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 12:58 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 94

Sometimes fan behavior like that is warranted. That was the case last night. What a horseshit call by the umpire!

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 95

I soooo knew that was coming.

I know those hats were DANGEROUS!!!! You could poke your eye out. Thank God the beachballs didn't make it on the field.

Seriously though I'm sorry if you don't see the difference between screaming obsceneties into a kids ear and a dozen hats thrown on the field. I really am.

I'm sure there were some obsceneties screamed last night as well. I just know that I haven't experienced what I did at wrigley inside the dome.

Call me a hater if ya want. I don't care it's not going to change my opinion that in general I'll take my hat throwing (and apparently wheelchair stealing wtf) majority of MN sports fans over the lude and ridiculou Chicago fan any day of the millenium.

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 96

I was at last nights game and that was a GREAT game!!! It was all fun and games (hats being thrown on the field, like a hat trick) until people started throwing balls and beer bottles on the field! But that was a fun, entergized crowd! Great time!

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 1:48 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 97

Hey it worked.... it was nothing like the night chuck knobs was assulted with hot dogs and beer bottles...that was the game that changed the rules about the tops on the beer bottles...i was there and man it was fun..
... and they try to give us bad press over last night...lets remember thsi is the same team who had fans rush the 81 year old royals 1st base coach and jumped him... i mean come on give him a break, hes....a royals first base coach for gods sake!

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 2:05 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 98

Any word how the Twins are going to display the World Championship banners in the new ballpark? I would like to see something on the ad board above the right centerfield seats... Where else could they put them?

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 99

I would like them above the right-centerfield seats better than the advertising they have on the rederings. They could also put championship flags above the left field seats where the flags are flying in the renderings...

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 3:05 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 100

I think they should display them from whichever angle best covers up the shitstack

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 3:07 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 101

Ding dong, the witch is dead, the wicked witch... okay, so it's not the same situation, but being announced that Liriano and Ruiz are getting called up and Livan and Monroe are getting sent out of town. We're cutting the dead weight from the team.

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM by ML Highlight this comment 102

Haha, I agree with Kevin! Does anyone know why they are flying the pitcher's mound flag at half-staff today?

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 103

ML beat me to it. Livan & Monroe DFA, Liriano & Ruiz on the big league roster. Should be interesting!

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 3:30 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 104

tom said: "haha, I agree with Kevin! Does anyone know why they are flying the pitcher's mound flag at half-staff today?"

my guess would be that they lowered them in remembrance of the I35W bridge collapse in minneapolis and the victims who lost their lives in it. today is the 1 year anniversary of that tragedy.

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 105

yea tom are you from around here? the media is treating it like it is 9/11

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 106

Ya, I guess I am just too stupid to put 2 and 2 together, duh..

Posted on August 1, 2008 at 4:19 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 107

What up sheesh? Still liking livan now?

Posted on August 2, 2008 at 12:23 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 108

come on now mazaratirick. i don't know. that seems like kind of a low blow to me. i don't believe anything will ever equate to 9/11 again (thank God), but at the same time what happened last summer when that massive interstate bridge just fell into the mississippi river during rush hour was a pretty crazy thing and frankly a big deal - and not just here. it started a long overdue dialogue in the u.s. congress (and the state of MN) about replacing/repairing the aging infrastructure in this country. if anything good came out of the tragedy last summer i would say that might be it.

i don't know. i guess i just don't think the local media is trying to sensationalize it. most of them seem to be handling it very respectfully. it impacted hundreds of thousands of people when you take into account the sheer volume of people who commuted through that corridor everyday, so talking about it/remembering it today still seems relevant i would say.

later.....

Posted on August 2, 2008 at 12:46 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 109

As much as he's become a punching bag for the uninformed, Livan Hernandez is due a lot of credit. Not only for his own pitching, which has been solid besides the last few starts, but also for how much he's helped the younger starters learn how to pitch like major-leaguers. All of you stat-readers can go back to playing fantasy baseball, but Livan Hernandez has been a valuable member of this team. He was a class act by saying "I had fun here," Hernandez said. "It's a great city for baseball. They treat people professionally. I never think I made the wrong decision when I decided to sign with the Twins."

Posted on August 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM by Sheesh Highlight this comment 110

Very true.. for all the people who thought the Twins should have never signed Livan.. where would the club have been without him early in the season.. especially Scott Baker's early injury? And, what if any one of the four young pitchers fell apart?
Livan did his job alright but now is the right time to say good-bye. If one of the young guns struggles now its late enough in the season where they won't expose the bullpen too much.

Posted on August 2, 2008 at 12:48 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 111

Beta,
yea your probably right but i just think the media goes crazy and licks thier chops when this kind of stuff happens... look at the cover of the strib yesterday.."DEATH IN A CORN FIELD" when the plan went down in Owatonna.. same with weather, i guess its thier job to get readers and viewers but they over do it a tad...

What happed last year on that bridge was terriable and it did bring alot of attention to the bridges in this country sosomthing good did come of it....

Posted on August 2, 2008 at 3:20 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 112

A handful of new pics through my handle.

Thank you, K-C, c'mon K-Slo.

Posted on August 2, 2008 at 6:04 PM by Midwest Product Highlight this comment 113

Awesome pics MP!

Posted on August 2, 2008 at 9:53 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 114

..............itsssssssssssssssssssssssssss Frankie baby!!!!!!

Posted on August 3, 2008 at 3:53 PM by Mazarartirick Highlight this comment 115

It's First Place baby!!!

Posted on August 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 116

nice win for the twins today. "the franchise" looked pretty decent. imo a good sign was that he was able to keep his composure, no get too worked up and pitched his way out of some tough situations with more than one man on base and either no or only one out.

overall, i would have to say a good outing for him. but, i think franchise knows and both gardy & anderson know that he can be even better if he gets going here after a couple more starts.

let's hope so because it has the potential to be a really fun august/sept and hopefully october!

Posted on August 3, 2008 at 6:51 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 117

I think Frankie's nerves played a big part in his lack of control. But I would still like to see him slow down his changeup...

Posted on August 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 118

...Another Strib article about development in the North Loop. (Click Name)

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 02:02 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 119

the ballpark sits between 2 elevated roads which unfortunately fence off the area. the best potential for immediate redevelopment is, i think, if (when) the herc closes down. and while whether or not the ballpark draws redevelopment will be a key indicator on its overall effectiveness, judgment should be reserved until 5 years out (see the x).

oh and what a good crowd yesterday. there was palpable nervousness and excitement in the air when the franchise took to the mound. i didn't have a good vantage point on his slider, but it looked wicked from the outfield camera. crossing my fingers...

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 07:48 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 120

is it me or does homeplate seem way too close to the 1st base line dugout on the webcam?

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 09:13 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 121

yeahkyle - until they actually start putting seats in and laying out the field, etc. i think it will be hard to get a good "spacial" perspective in regards to where the dugout, home plate, the pitchers mound are located in relation to each other.

i think the large construction equipment being out there at the same time "fools" the eye a little and makes the field seem smaller than it really is.

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 09:32 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 122

Took a walk down to the park yesterday, and WOW, it's looking good. We NEED a 2nd webcam! I stood on the 5th St bridge (oops, off limits...) and you can really see a lot of progress coming along in center field. Come on, DSP!!!

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 10:01 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 123

the webcam will have to wait.... who need a 2nd webcam when you guy come out in droves like this weekend?????

Ill save that webcam for when there is only 20,000 in the dome!

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM by Dave St Peter Highlight this comment 124

beta, i took my 3 daughters down there yesterday and it does look like the entire field is way too small. hopefully it's just an optical illusion as you said but how bad would that be if it felt like we were in an enormous ditch watching the games?!

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 12:13 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 125

Guys - You're right, the field is an illusion... I've been hired by the Twins to turn the field into a wiffle ball park.

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 1:21 PM by David Copperfield Highlight this comment 126

Interesting article posted over at the Downtown Journal about the ballpark construction being delayed a little bit in June.

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 7:06 PM by Chris Highlight this comment 127

Interesting article posted over at the Downtown Journal about the ballpark construction being delayed a little bit in June.

And here I thought it would be because of all of us camera-toting terrorists...

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 7:54 PM by Midwest Product Highlight this comment 128

I'm a litttle confused on hwo the field could be "small" We know... we've known what the dimensions of the field are going to be. It's not like they are going to change other than a few inches.

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 11:35 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 129

I hope those of you in MN went to sleep when it was 6-0. It's now 9-6 Seattle and I'm about to lose my dinner.

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 11:44 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 130

make that 10-6

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 11:50 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 131

oops, nope...make that 11-6....aw f*ck it, what else is on tv.....

Posted on August 4, 2008 at 11:50 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 132

what the f*ck happened in the 7th inning tonight! that was tough to watch. thank god i don't have to head into work tomorrow. need to sleep this one off.

here the twins are cruising along with a 6-1 lead heading into the 7th inning and boom the mariners of all teams score 10?! i know it is "monday morning quarterbacking", but i have to say i think there was some questionable management of the game tonight by gardy & anderson, especially late. not sure why they let perkins go back out there for the 7th considering how he struggled just to get out of the 6th and the tank appeared "empty".

come on twins. let's take the next 2 and get the hell out of seattle.

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 01:03 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 133

Thank god i went to sleep last night with a 6-0 lead...this is terrible....

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 08:07 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 134

Anyone have any recent interior or concourse pics from the construction?

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 09:10 AM by Curious George Highlight this comment 135

The link provides some good / interesting ground level shots - provided by the Ballpark Authority

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM by Mo Highlight this comment 136

Does anyone know what material will be used for the circulation ramp covers?

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 137

^ And why in the h**l is there no circulation ramp on the 3rd base side???
Is there really only one for the whole park?? Don't most ballparks have at least four....What the???

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 1:03 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 138

They better have more than one circulation ramp in this ballpark. Some people like myself will not be able to afford lower level seats and will need to be in the upper level. I am sure they have plenty sets of stairs/elevators/escalators, but they should have more than one circulation ramp.

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM by Cheap Seats Guy Highlight this comment 139

There will be another circulation ramp by the left field bleachers. I'm sure there will be a ramp somewhere on the HERC side.

Seriously though, what material are they using? Wood?

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 1:40 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 140

Yep, there will be wood screens covering the circulation ramps. This allows the movement inside to be visible from the street. It's a nice touch, and it's a lot cheaper than limestone!

There are two main circulation ramps: one on Seventh Street and one on Fifth Street. In addition, there are numerous escalators scattered throughout the park.

Don't worry. The cheap seats will be very easy to get to and from!

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 2:13 PM by Rick 141

what are we looking at as a cheap seat price? I heard it was about 12 bucks... i think thats a lil steep for the cheapest seat in the house... comarica has a cheaper seat i belive, and i think its lower level.. dont quote me on that..

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 3:27 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 142

For all of you dreaming about a 2nd webcam, there are new photos on Minnescraper that look like they were taken from the Ford Center angle. (click name for link)

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 4:24 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 143

that's a nice pic, you can see the outfield walls shaping up. stadium is progressing nicely.

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 4:38 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 144

they upgrade the twins webcam setting a little bit

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 8:57 PM by joe Highlight this comment 145

On the issue of another circulation ramp, I think the large "notch" cut into the back side of the third base concourse (directly above the flagpole) looks to be about the same dimension as the opening for the first base ramp. Can anyone verify that this third base "cut-out" is for something other than a ramp?

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 8:59 PM by CedarRapidsViking Highlight this comment 146

Does the change in the earthcam controls indicate that the 2nd cam is on its way? One can hope!

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 9:49 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 147

I hate this dumb new earthcam! It looks cool, but why the hell does it only let you change the time in 4 HR incraments, not 15 MIN?!

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 10:39 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 148

hey brandon - i just checked out the new ballpark webcam interface on twinsbaseball.com and you can actually change the image/time in 10 minute increments - the previous incarnation of the webcam interface was in 15 minute increments. not sure where you are getting "4 hours" from.

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 11:21 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 149

Brandon, click the left or right arrows under the picture and it advances every 10 minutes instead of 4 hours. Surprisingly it's actually an upgrade because we're getting 6 pictures an hour instead of 4. Aren't my elementary math skills great? Hope that helps.

Posted on August 5, 2008 at 11:23 PM by ML Highlight this comment 150

If they get swept by the Mariners tomorrow you can just shut off the webcam and take a wrecking ball to whatever has been built already. What a disaster!!!!

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 01:02 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 151

come on now kevin in az. you are always one for the dramatics aren't you?! slowly back away from the ledge.

:-)

tonight's game: frustrating & disappointing yes. disaster? no.

monday's game: that one was the disaster.

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 01:18 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 152

we need brett farve in our bullpen

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 07:43 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 153

speaking of circulation ramps, you can see the one in left field starting to go up today on the "new and improved" webcam. (which obviously required some amount of time and money that would have been better spent installing a new one)

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 08:46 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 154

Yes Betaband, this bullpen is a disaster!

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 12:35 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 155

Mazaratirick,
The last thing I saw about prices throughout the stadium are on the March 20, 2008 post "Let's Review"...Click my name for the picture, I am not sure if anything has changed in the 4 1/2 months since the post, but I haven't heard anything since...Maybe when the fans with Season ticket packages get their relocation guides for the new ballpark soon, there will be some updated info. on it...

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 3:06 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 156

Thanks Tom!

yea i rememeber that, does not show the outfield lower level (buy the plaza) or the old met 2nd deck... i will pay 12 bucks to see this park im just hoping there are some 8-10 buck seats so some kids who cant afford it can see the game.. when i was a kid the cheap seats at the dome were 3 bucks!!!

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM by mazaratirck Highlight this comment 157

Those $50 seats in the lower level behind homeplate would be a really good value these days. I hope these prices don't increase much by 2010.

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 4:37 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 158

I agree Lafferty, those seats are a bargian compared to others in that location of a stadium

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 159

mazaratirick - Are you really going to be that upset if there aren't seats $2 or $4 cheaper than those shown in that diagram? I mean, really, have you followed the absolute insanity that's going on with Citi Field (the Mets), where the ticket prices are going up for some areas by 50 or 75%? And you're complaining about $2 or $4 dollars for the cheap seats?

If someone can afford $8, but can't afford $12 - than they have bigger problems, and should stay home and watch on TV...

Moose

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 7:09 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 160

There are two new pics at Minnescraper.

Posted on August 6, 2008 at 7:20 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 161

Moose,

I did not say i was gonna jump off a bridge or anything there buddy calm down!!!

i guess you are missing my point, publicly funded stadium should have affordable oprions for those that cant afford to take a family of say 5 (im not saying there will be no such options here) and sit in the lower section.

i think that 35 bucks for a ticket by first base is a deal of course if you take your family to 2 games a year...but there are some people (like myself) that go to around 20-30 games per year so yes i do "do it on the cheap"....

it just my opinion there my friend, im sure some share it and some dont.

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 08:00 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 162

mazaratirick - Again, look at what's happening in New York (see my link), where the majority of the ballpark is insanely priced (according to that linked article, only 4,000 seats per game will be in this $12-15 dollar range!).

Yes, it would be nice to go back and pay $3 to sit down the lines, but it's 2008 (and 2010 by the time the park opens). New York fans are drooling over the pricing shown for New Twins Stadium. Just be glad the Twins don't do what the Yankees and Mets have done.

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 09:10 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 163

I'm not so concerned with ticket pricing as concessions. I'm fully expecting $10 for a cup of Summit. God only knows how astronomical food prices will be if they go forward with the Matt's Bar/Kramarczuk's/Tavern on Grand concept. Hopefully the powers that be understand that making concessions overly expensive also hurts ticket sales.

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 09:18 AM by Midwest Product Highlight this comment 164

That is a good point, mazaratirick -- if you think about it, with cheap seats at the dome being $7 it would cost a family of 5 $35 a game, when at $12 / ticket it would cost $60.

Hopefully we'll see some cheap pricing in the outfield (maybe some limited view seating?). Call me CheapCheap but I would rather spend $7 than $12. Just sayin'...

We're used to $7 cheap seats...and annoyed with prices of things going up up and awaaaaaay!

-Ima Bird

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 09:28 AM by CheapCheap Ima Bird Highlight this comment 165

Also, that is a good point, Moose97 -- we do have things pretty good here, I think (especially compared to in NY)...

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 09:31 AM by CheapCheap Ima Bird Highlight this comment 166

Moose,

Come on do you really think i expect to sit down the line for 3 bucks... your a lil off with your take on what i said.

I sd I agree we have good if not the best avg price per ticket..

im saying outfield cheap seats for 8-9 bucks? look at safeco this weekend, when the stadium is not new anymore and the team is struggling you are going to have a empty beautiful ballpark per nobody wants to pay 22 bucks for seats like say homerun porch area when they suck...

i also mentioned that 35 bucks seats down the line is a awsome value that i would take advantage about 2 times a year then roll with the cheap seats the other 28-30 times a year... im not just a fan of ballparks here moose im a fan of the twins so i attend these games in the dumphouse they are at now and would liek to continue to support my team in the new joint... would it not be a lil bit dumb to out price your hard core fans?

sure the `ballpark rube will pay top $$ to seat in the good seats 6-10 times a year ...until the honeymoon is over then it just becomes a yearly event.. i will be there as always durning the snow, rain and denny hockings.....

all i am doing it letting you know i agree with you but you are taking my comments wayyy out of context

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 10:01 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 167

Here's a perfect example Mazarati guy. I took my girl and our two kids to a game a bit back. It was one of those dreaded "premium" games (which I was unaware of until I got there). It was on a Sunday when kids usually get in for free. I figured what a deal, I'll get two cheap seats for $14.00 and have plenty of $ for food/beer...ect. Well, not for premium games, it ended up costing $48.00 for 4 tix.
Quite a difference indeed...

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 1:07 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 168

I remember when box seats at the Met were $2.50

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 169

so the kids dont get in for premium games free? thanks for the heads up .. i was gonna take my tribe down the the brewers game on that sunday.. thanks....

yea and i rememeber when gas was .89 kev....

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 2:09 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 170

what up gentlemen.

i think we have had this discussion before. a bunch of cheap seats are kind of a double edged sword in my opinion. sure an abundance of cheap seats is great if you are planning on taking your whole family to a bunch of games instead of just you and the wife or maybe you and a buddy. but at the same time let's not be totally naïve on the repercussions of doing that. the more cheap seats a team crams into a stadium is that much less money in the operating budget pot of any team to go out and sign "legit" free agents.

how do you think teams like the yankees & red sox go out and spend so much on “legit” free agents year after year? sure they both have pretty good tv deals and that certainly helps, but it would be foolish to think it is not because they charge quite a premium for most of their seats.

i for one would rather pay more for a seat in the new ballpark compared to the metrodome regardless of location if it meant that the twins would be able to spend more money on "legit" free agents every year.

just my two cents. proceed.

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 3:44 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 171

Betaband,

the key word is "if".... the sign legit free agents.....

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 3:58 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 172

mazaratirick - i agree with you that the key word is "if". but, that being said having more money to put into payroll due to more money coming in from gate receipts certainly won't hurt the chances of that happening more often than it has in the past (especially since moving into the hump dome where the team does not make squat compared to many other mlb clubs).

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 4:16 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 173

Unfortunately, as a business owner myself, I feel the need to look at the ticket pricing from the team's perspective. Their only goal has to be maximizing revenue. Good will (in the form of cheap ticket prices) is certainly part of the formula, but they will never view it the way we (the cheap seat buyers, otherwise known as the "price sensitive customer") will.

It's a question about the value of a full house, the reaction of the fan base (most of whom are "price sensitive"), and the inevitability of lean years, and flexible pricing mechanisms. Long term, I hate to say this, but I can see ballpark ticket pricing throughout the MLB adopting a model that approximates that of the airlines. It's already partly true that the guy sitting next to you may have paid a much different price for his seat than you did.

I've read that the Twins are committed to always having affordable seats available. That's a good thing. But the definition of "affordable" is something quite different. This is going to have to be the subject of a full article...

Different issue...

I think something's wrong with the new web cam software. The picture doesn't scroll at the same rate that I move my mouse. It's very annoying. Does this happen for anybody else? I think that whoever coded their flash got something screwed up. It also doesn't default to showing the entire image. More frequent images are welcome, but the old interface worked much better (even if it didn't look quite as spiffy).

By the way, I had a great interview with a spokesman from MnDOT about LRT and Northstar at the new ballpark. That article is nearly done.

Thanks to all who have posted links to pictures and articles. It's great to have motivated collaborators! (I will share some good news with you in the coming days...)

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM by Rick 174

Sorry, but I'm not sold that Pooplads will ever be spending REAL money on "legit" free agents. C'mon, look at the track record. We just set the record for consecutive games over 30,000 (in attendance) in the dome this year, and the Twins are spending over 9 million less in payroll after they traded Torii and Santana. Check it out Profits are going to be healthy this year...and we're one player away from putting the Sox away to win the division. As an entrepreneur myself, I understand the importance of making a business "work" financially. As a billionaire pro-sports team owner, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

The thing is, this team has money to spend, but wants to make a profit. Fans across "Twins Territory" have been told repeatedly (and regurgitate) that this is the "Twins way". It's frustrating - and maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't hold the opinion that pro sports teams exist to make profit. They should exist and be owned by billionaires in order to WIN!

Sorry this rant got long...

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 4:46 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 175

Long term, the owners and sports agents will need to become more responsible. There isn't one good reason for the ridiculous contracts handed out to mediocre pitchers like Barry Zito or Carlos Silva. These kind of shortsighted moves by middle and large market teams are the main reason why lower-middle class fans are attending less games every season.

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 4:51 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 176

That's great and all OG Jeff. Something tells me though if you actually WERE that billionaire owner of a smaller market baseball team you might operate just a little differently. Or you wouldn't be that billionaire owner in the first place.

How would you feel if you were working for one of pohlads other companies and found out that he was using profit from your company and dumping it into the Twins instead of into your company? I'd be pretty pissed. The Twins operate within the MLB business model and until that changes all the pissing and moaning about Pohlad is just a bunch of hogwash. Now do I think he has been cheap? Yes at times. Do I think he is the best owner in baseball? No - but I don't think it's steinbrenner either.

People complain about the nine million. Which we saved because we didn't sign hunter and we didn't sign santana. But we have a log jam in the outfield and we have a dearth of talented pitchers. So what should tehy do? Go dump the 9 million on some used up has been? To make you happy? Again if you owned the team and did business like that you likely wouldn't be a billionaire to start with. Because that's not smart business.

/rant

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 177

As far as the prices for tickets go. I would assume a cheap ticket price would leave that customer with more money to spend on concessions. Cheap ticket + expensive beer or expensive ticket = zero beer. It's a trade off. They'll get their money either way...IMO

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 178

Moda,

I understand your point that smart businessmen who are billionaires probably didn't get that way by overspending and not making a profit. I run my own business and our team doesn't make billions - but we do pretty well. However, I wouldn't buy a baseball team to make a profit yearly (maybe as a long term valuation investment though). Owners who are liked by their fans (ie Mark Attanasio, Mark Cuban, George Stein, Peter Magowan, Henry family) are owners who have a vested interest in winning.

BTW, the Twins don't need any more outfielders. Getting rid of Santana and Torii was smart - they are overpaid and we have plenty of talent to fill their shoes right now.

But can we quit with the Bret Boone/Tony Bautista/Sidney Ponson/Adam Everett/Mike Lamb signings? The idea of spending the 6 million to get a proven player in his prime (like Luis Castillo) is what I'm endorsing, not a used up has-been.

Lafferty - I wholeheartedly agree that owners need to become more responsible. Zito, Silva, Meche - that stuff drives up an already false market.

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 5:32 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 179

I wholeheartedly agree that owners need to become more responsible. Zito, Silva, Meche - that stuff drives up an already false market.

Don't forget that the Twins ultimately benefit from that overpriced market: they virtually always sell established players for prospects or draft picks. The more young talent a Twins veteran will bring in on the trade market the better it is for us. I'd much rather get two draft picks than one when we pawn off our detritus on unsuspecting teams.

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM by Midwest Product Highlight this comment 180

steel going up in left field. looks like ramps

Posted on August 7, 2008 at 6:57 PM by random Highlight this comment 181

The british phone booths are gone

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 12:33 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 182

I wonder what the good news is that Rick is going to share with us in the coming days is?

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 183

Naming rights perhaps?
The suspense is killing me!

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 184

If it is the naming rights deal, then it will be one that at least sounds good, because it is "good news"!

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 3:52 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 185

Why can't I get the new webcam working?? All I see is black. Please help me!!

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 6:13 PM by Frustrated Highlight this comment 186

New pics from today...

while I was taking pictures there was a twins representative standing next to me and he said the architects were currently designing a bridge that would connect ramp A (northeast corner) to the stadium. He mentioned they were going to cut a hole in the current limestone for the connection. It sounded like it was a change to the original design... hence the cutting a hole in the current limestone...the limestone was already constructed.

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 187

Awesome pics, MOJO. Thanks!

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM by AlaskaTwinsFam Highlight this comment 188

Thanks MOJO!

What is that area with the walls to the right of the Twins dugout (if you are sitting in the dugout looking out toward the field)? Is that the clubhouse? Or is the clubhouse behind the dugout? Just curious.

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 10:34 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 189

Mojo,
That last picture made me wanna puke.

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 11:02 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 190

kevin in az - you beat me to it.

i was laughing my ass off at picture 46 of 46 from mojo's album. can't believe someone actually has a phil krinkie for congress bumper sticker on their card. please! that guy is such a loud mouth tool bag it is not even funny. talk about a guy who does not want to invest in the state of minnesota or its civic amenities at all just to save a few extra pennies a year. what a dink!

mojo - thanks for the pictures and the laugh!

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 11:57 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 191

my bad. that last post should have read phil krinkie bumper sticker on their "car", not card.

Posted on August 8, 2008 at 11:59 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 192

Thanks as always MOJO

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 08:46 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 193

I know we have discussed naming rights on several different occassions now throughout this blog, but I couldn't help but to think to myself about Best Buy as the potential naming rights partner. I subscribe to MLB extra innings and have noticed an increased presence of Best Buy advertisements throughout many MLB ballparks over the last couple of years. At one time, you never saw Best Buy advertising anywhere but at the Metrodome. Now you see them with some pretty big ads in some big markets such as Chicago (US Cellular Field), LA (Angels Stadium), Boston, Detroit, and St. Louis. You just have to wonder if they have been testing other major league markets for a potential naming rights deal in Minneapolis?

I am becoming more convinced by the day that the future Twins Ballpark will be Best Buy Field.

I realize this is all speculation on my part, but from the "clues" given by the Twins this past spring, it makes sense for Best Buy. They have had a significant portion of advertising in the Metrodome over the last several years and continue to be one of the top advertisers to this day. They are also based out of the Twin Cities and continue to expand both domestically and globally.

Again, this is all speculation on my part, but from what I know and from what I have heard, I would put my money on Best Buy as the naming rights partner. If I am wrong, so be it, but it won't be the first time I have been wrong. It's all part of the fun of speculation at this point.

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 4:10 PM by marketing guy Highlight this comment 194

marketing guy - i think you are on to something. too many things pointing in that direction for it not to be them. i for one have thought it was going to be best buy from day one.

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 195

I agree, marketing guy. Although, being a fan of alliteration, I would go with Best Buy Ballpark

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 8:42 PM by Peter P. Parker Highlight this comment 196

good call on the use of alliteration peter p. parker.

i am heading over to the triple b? the killer b? the b's nest? i don't know. anyone got any good ones?

:-)

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 8:50 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 197

Thats a great suggestion Peter P. Parker! I didn't even think of that, but the name naturally sounds good with the alliteration taken into consideration.

Best Buy can even throw their name into the "cheap seats" outfield sections and name them the "Best Buy Seats" or something along those lines...much more name recognition than the current "Best Buy/Samsung Home Run Porch".

I am curious what kind of ballpark logo would evolve if indeed, Best Buy is the naming partner. That big yellow and black tag might look odd with the Twins navy blue and red scheme, but I am sure they woul come up with a pretty good logo. I would have to look at other ballpark logos and see how those other ballparks incorporated both corporate and team colors into the ballpark logo.

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 9:31 PM by marketing guy Highlight this comment 198

best buy ballpark would suck.

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 199

I hate Best Buy for the whole name of the ballpark, but like it for the cheap seats...

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 11:04 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 200

Best Buy is pretty high on my list of likely naming partners, but very low on my list of preferred naming partners. That would really suck.

Posted on August 9, 2008 at 11:27 PM by Rick 201

I have always liked Best Buy Ballpark myself... It just roles off the tongue. I for one do NOT like Land O Lakes Field though... Seems too... IDK, long? It just doesn't sound good IMO. Another one I like is 3M Stadium/Field/Park/Ballpark... It's short and simple! "Hey wanna go over to 3M Field?" sound better than, "Hey wanna go over to Land O Lakes Field?"... Am I alone on the whole 3M thing? Another one I thins sounds cool is Pillsbury Park! Haha, that one sounds the best!

Posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:03 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 202

i am with you brandon. imo short and sweet or something that rolls of the tounge well is the way to go.

something like land o' lakes field sounds too "hokey" to me. almost like we are trying way too hard to make the name overly "minnesotan" - to a point of absurdity.

Posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:15 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 203

Ill take Land O Lakes Field over Best Buy Ballpark any day. If you dont like the long name just call it Lake(s) Field.

Posted on August 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 204

little nicky punto is a joke of a ball player. what a waste of space in the lineup.

all right. that is all. have a good day!

Posted on August 10, 2008 at 5:27 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 205

Another grand performance by Guerrier and Reyes blowing a 2-run lead late in the game. It's already amazing that the Twins are in the position they're in, but they could be 3-4 games up on Chicago if it weren't for this rotten bullpen.

Posted on August 10, 2008 at 5:44 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 206

Does anyone else want to strangle Everett right now!?? Please get hurt again you sorry, terrible arm, crappy hitting,...
As soon as Everett failed to record the 3rd out in the 8th, it was over...
Reyes actually did his job today!
I saw 7 hours of outdoor baseball on Thursday at Coors Field. I can't believe we are actually getting something similar to that in 2010. It will be awesome!

Posted on August 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 207

i head ya locker.

everett & lamb = typical off-season mistakes by this front office. can you say tony bautista, juan castro, sydney ponson, ramon ortiz, phil nevin, etc? washed up veterans with nothing left to give. no production from any of those names. what a waste of tiime. terry ryan/billy smith think they are going to get lucky with one of these guys and not have to spend too much money, but it isn't going to happen. if the front office would just quit being such stubborn a-holes about making a quality trade for a legit player(s) when we are a contending team - and understand they need to give up a little young talent to get something decent in return - then i think we would have gotten over the hump in the playoffs during this recent run of central division titles since 2002.

still plenty of season to go and i think they can do it, but man we should have been 6-0 on this recent road trip. gave up three games they should have had in the bag.

Posted on August 10, 2008 at 11:40 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 208

Betaband,

I have never agreed with you more... we should be 6-0 on this trip, i hate fatface but Guerrier is giving him a run for his money.. I swear i have seen matt blow atleast 7 leads in the 7th or 8th so far this year... and that is just what i have watched

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 07:53 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 209

I literally do not care what the ballpark is named. Just the fact that it will exist to have a name is fine with me. We will get used to whatever name they get paid to slap on it. I am still amazed the Metrodome does not have a corporate name yet. Remember how dumb Target Center sounded for four or five years? Now it's a fixture in our brains. My only hope is they don't choose a name that can become tainted and have to be changed -- a la Enron Field in Houston.

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 09:11 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 210

The Twins never seem to want to give up any talent to get talent in return. The Matt Garza/Jason Bartlett trade was an exception.

A perfect example is Juan Rincon, we ruled him "untouchable" for trades a few years ago when he was at his prime, now this year when he was struggling, the Twins couldn't GIVE him away if they wanted to, they had to release him. We were offering Craig Monroe in our trades too, than end up releasing him as well. I am sorry, but you are not going to get legitimate talent unless you give up legitimate talent in return.

For years we had a stacked outfield and a lot of pitching depth and never traded anyone for a power-hitting 3B.

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 09:22 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 211

we also don't tend draft power hitting players....

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 11:00 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 212

Watched Friday night's game at Kauffman. Absolutely perfect night for baseball. At least 25% Twins fans in attendance. $1.00 hotdog/pop/peanut night. The new hi-def scoreboard is awesome. Twins win. Fireworks after the game. Doesn't get much better than that. 2010 can't come soon enough!!

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 11:14 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 213

What is parking going to be like when the Twins and Wolves play the same night?

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 11:40 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 214

Luckylager,

dont you just love the new hd scoreboard, i was there the dirst serise in kc this yea (it was freezing) and that scoreboard was so bright and detailed... did they put the crown back up on it yet?

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 215

Annoying,

no... we do... we just turn them in to gap-hitters.

the Twins are all about sacrificing power for average... look what they tried to do with Ortiz. They're doing it now to Delmon Young and Justin Morneau. They want .300 hitters more than 35-45 HR hitters... don't rightly know why either.

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 11:51 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 216

It looks like they are installing limestone on the section in between the pro shop and cantilevered restaurant.

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 217

mazaratirick,
Yeah, the hd scoreboard was fantastic. Its amazing how much scoreboard tech. has advanced in the last 20 years. They haven't put the crown back on yet, but I saw the pieces stacked up behind the right field wall.

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 218

another bold move today by gm bill smith.. signed bobby kelity

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 4:34 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 219

Odd, but Shannon Stewart (who the Twins got in the Kielty trade) was released by Toronto today.

Posted on August 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM by Rick 220

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Ballpark magic: Infield materializes (click to enlarge)






Concrete molds are being removed!



Artist at (very painstaking) work



The tracks on the right will be moved to the newly-cleared area on the left. The edge of the ballpark will be about where the rocks and dirt meet.



That's Bert back at the Met on Photo Day, September 15, 1974.



Now looking north, the tracks emerge from beneath Seventh Street as freight tracks only. The Northstar line ends at the northwest corner of the ballpark. One day, however, you can bet that other passenger trains will approach from the southwest metro on these tracks -- if our legislators are smart and persistent, that is.



The old flour Gold Medal Flour Mill, located next to the new Guthrie theater (Source: RP)



Another view of the escalator, which apparently comes preassembled!



This is where the main ticket office will be.









Night games are much preferred by the players at Target Field. You can see why.



An overview of the model display.



It looks like the Target-themed signage has spilled out to the surrounding area (this was taken from the entryway to the B ramp from Third -- the 394 entrance ramp tunnel)



Killebrew's mammoth shot on June 3, 1967 is currently memorialized on a wall at the Mall of America



Not sure what those supports are for -- probably stadia.



A classic profile on the horizon






A Killebrew tribute covers part of the wall where the entry doors are located near the escalators.



Snow-blowing the field






Fenway has posts. Target Field does not. But...



Double plays will be turned here.



A close-up of the rooftop party deck.



The right field overhang is in place, and the first base stands are starting to go in.



Seating mound (seen from the B ramp)






September 23, 2007



A view into the Legend's Club



Once again, Noah is holding his ears because of the traffic noise.



Note that the sign in the background will NOT be changed because "Twins Way" doesn't extend this far north.



8:02 PM It's at peak, affecting mostly the upper deck.



Some of Minneapolis' finest checking out the construction through a spot where a knothole will be one day.






4th inning in the thinning crowd of the Grandstand.












Rooftop scaffolding, for the wind veil installation?



Just one lane of traffic and a couple of feet between the fence in right-center and the wall of the parking ramp!



Lunch break at the top spot. (Grandstand)



Bronze glove delivered (awaiting installation) with Met flag pole horizontal behind the gate






Glass!



Showing more of the context for the louvers.



Love the LC!



Looking through the transit hub



The entrance from the service level corridor. (You have to pass the Twins clubhouse door to get there.)





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HPB - Home Plate Box

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