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Make-Up Game

April 28, 2011 6:33 PM

Rained out on Tuesday. Overmatched in the snow on Wednesday. Plowed under on Thursday afternon.

Now to the make-up game.

The roster is a mess. The starter for the hometown nine is, at best, an unknown commodity. The weather? Better. (What is that giant glowing orb in the sky?)

I debated whether to even come out tonight. There were lots of potential reasons to just skip it. But I couldn't even give my tickets away -- literally. As it is, barring a benevolent scalper, I'll have five seats all to myself. (I seem to have a knack for getting tickets to very low-demand games.)

But when I made the decision to go, I felt my countenance lift. My mood, which wasn't really bad, got noticeably better. That's what baseball will do to you, or at least me, I guess.

Let's hope our boys can keep their spirits high and avoid the sweep.

Stay tuned. I'll be live-blogging to the extent that the Twifi allows...

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Only the lonely out for scalpers tonight, and nobody buying or trading. No surprise there. Lots of empty seats, even though it has turned into a beautiful evening.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 7:15 PM by Rick 1

Twifi still not usable. All 3G for me.

Nirvana for between innings music.

We'll be out of here quiick tonight. Fast-working pitchers, and guys are swinging.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 7:22 PM by Rick 2

Let the bleeding begin. Zobrist hits 2-run homer to the second row of the overlook.

Then Kotchman gets the third straight hit.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM by Rick 3

Photos won't send by either email or text message. Web works fine, so there's something else going on. (Verizon)

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 7:27 PM by Rick 4


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Posted on April 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM by Rick 7

Too bad it's impossible to hit a home run in Target Field...

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 8

Only impossible for the Twins. Boy that new batter's eye is really helping them. What excuse will they come up with next?

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 8:08 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 9

The Twins better mothball that home field advantage commercial with Bud Grant. Three straight games in cold raw Minnesota April weather and they haven't hit, pitched or fielded. Meanwhile, a team from Florida that plays in a dome has beat the crap out of them in every phase of the game.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 8:38 PM by terry Highlight this comment 10

Now's the time to start putting the jinx on Niemann -- who has a no-hitter going. (Keep saying that until he blows it.)

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 8:48 PM by Rick 11

Even the positive people on this blog are talking in a negative tone. Lets face it this team sucks! So glad I dont have season tickets, cause the product they are throwing out there is absolute garbage. The Twins should refund you for this effort. I hope the Twins get no hit by this guy who came in with an ERA over seven.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 8:52 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 12



I'm roaming.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 8:53 PM by Rick 13

No hitter just broken up, now here comes a comeback! (just kidding,I'm still an optimist.)

I went to many games in the Dome in the mid to late 90's when the Twins were awful and someone named Scott Stahoviak was our clean up hitter. Call me a kool-aid drinker, but even if the Twins are under .500, I'm still excited to go to my remaining five games. Just a chance to go to Target Field and sit outside makes me wish I had more games. I'm sure all of you will rip me and write that I'm exactly the kind of fan that the Twins can snowball, but that's my outlook. I kept writing how lucky we are to cheer for a team that more often than not is playing meaningful September games (and we still may be!). Let's face it, we're spoiled and this is baseball, not the NHL or NBA where half the teams make the playoffs.

I still hope the Twins can recover, but I'll keep watching them and go to Target Field regardless of how they do. It's alot more fun to cheer for a winner, but a true fan sticks with their team through the bad seasons too. That does not mean I won't rip them, complain about them, and even boo them. But I will continue to care. And most of you will too.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 9:06 PM by ole Highlight this comment 14

antfire - I suspect the next complaint will be the glare and/or brightness from the tower and the video board will be too much for the batters. So, they'll end up having to do what the Superdome in New Orleans does during basketball games.

The video board on the south side of the Superdome creates a terrible glare on the backboard. When teams shoot free throws on that side, the video board is turned off - thus eliminating the glare off the glass backboard.

So, during at bats, the video board and tower will probably have to be switched off, and will only be operational in-between at-bats. That's my guess anyway. TTH you can take another angle if you'd like.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 9:22 PM by luke Highlight this comment 15

Oh, and Rick: those snaps you posted up there - I'm guessing that's either section 314 or 315?? Or are those from the Mezzanine??

The ticket group I'm sharing a 20-game pack with this year has seats in 314.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 9:25 PM by luke Highlight this comment 16

This is just sad, really.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 9:45 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 17

WOW outscored 29-6 in the 3 game series!! Pathetic! Now 0-2 @ TF this year. Could sit anywhere you wanted in the first game! I would say about 32,000 there maybe! By the 7th inning about 2,000! LOL!

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 9:46 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 18

Emerging from the data black hole...

That was 315, front row. Great seats, and I happen to be the right height for the railing openings. If Iwere an inch or two taller or shorter, I might have wished I was up a few rows.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 9:49 PM by Rick 19

Twins payroll $113 million and Rays payroll $41 million, wonder who is getting there money's worth! Good job Bill Smith, my hats off to you.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:01 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 20

What a disaster of a day. The Twins get destroyed..Twice...And it looks like David Kahn took over as GM of the Vikings just in time to waste a #1 pick. Good thing I bought that bottle of cognac at Costco over the weekend. Being a MN sports fan sure is a major pain in the ass.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:06 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 21

Posted another image, sorry that its of our lackluster middle infield. I had the shot and took it. Maybe I can fix that at future games with a worthy middle infield.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:15 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 22

The good news: Summer baseball at Target Field is about to become affordable. Only bed-wetters get their asses handed to them 29-6 by the shitty Rays (and yes, they are shitty...they just actually overachieve, unlike our prima donnas who take 2-3 weeks off for colds and flus.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:24 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 23

Thanks to today's twinbill I went from 0-3 this season to 0-5. I guess my powers are stronger than mj's. Awashed in a sea of negativity, I did take some time to ponder (not Christian) a few things as I watched the suckage ensue:

- In Game 1, when the ball flew past Rene Tsunami in left field for a double, my audible, "Well, if Delmon had been out there, that would have been an inside-the-park home run" comment was readily agreed with by other LF bleacher bums.

- My $7.50 glasses of beer take longer to drink because my dripping tears help keep the glasses full.

- A brief stop at DoublePlay Gentlemen's Club between games had the dancers' flapjacks reminding me of the goose eggs of the Twins' score by innings.

- With all the wasted time I STILL couldn't come up with a reasonable use for the Twins Tower.

-The batter's eye looks like a patchwork quilt of front-door welcome mats.

- Casilla has me actually pining for Punto.

- It's April, and my lineup card has names like Steve Holm, Rene Tsunami, Luke Hughes and Matt Tolbert. WTF??

- I picked a bad week stop sniffing glue.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:17 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 24

Can we stop talking shit on the Twins' historic tank-job and please focus on more important issues? Like finishing the RF in horizontal, wooden louvers! God I love louvers.

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:20 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 25

Wow...

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:26 PM by tk Highlight this comment 26

When do the Red Wings return to TF?

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:28 PM by tk Highlight this comment 27

Oh Truth, in these there parts, we avoid glue altogether and go for the heavy shit: paint thinners. Its effects force you to start waves and give standing ovations when casilla receives cut-off throws from Tsunami following ball-retrieval from the gap...

That's what she said.

Sorry

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 28

I had thought of driving down to Beloit to watch a game this year, but looks like I will see plenty at TF...

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:53 PM by tk Highlight this comment 29

Twifi worked EXCELLENT tonight..Twins sucked...

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:12 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 30

Kev - Cognac...at Costco? There's two words that are the complete antithesis of each other. A bit like the Twins and winning.

Next time you're up in MN, stop by Chalet Liquors in Crystal. I'll show you where to get the top-notch cognac.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 06:55 AM by luke Highlight this comment 31

Just looking at the league stats the Twins are 28th in team ERA and 29th in runs scored out of all 30 MLB teams. So guess it cant get much worse then where we are at right now, or maybe it could!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 08:35 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 32

Back into the AL Central cellar, and a half-game ahead of Houston and San Diego for the worst record in the major leagues.

Who's got koolaid to spare? Can you pass me some?

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 09:03 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 33

Funniest Posts ever...nice job guys. It is fun ripping a really BAD team.
Now, all of our pro sports teams SUCK! Does any ones trust Billy to re-build this team in the off-season? Can we trade any of our dead weight free-agents at the trade deadline? Cuddy, Delmon, Kubel...

Now you know how KC and Cleveland feel every year!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 09:08 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 34

Worst sports year ever? Strong argument could be made. Consider the following:

2010 Vikings – Finish 6-10, fire coach mid-season, Metrodome roof collapses.

2010 Twins – Swept in playoffs again (12 straight playoff losses, last playoff win in 2004).

2010 Gopher Football – Finish 3-9, fire coach mid-season, win one trophy game in past 4 seasons.

2010-11 Gopher Basketball – Lose 10 out of last 11, miss NIT, after being predicted as a possible Sweet 16 team.

2010-11 Gopher Hockey – Lose first round of WCHA playoffs, miss tournament again, lose all prestige as a national power.

2010-11 Wild – Miss playoffs, fire coach.

2010-11 Timberwolves – Finish 17-65, Rambis edges out Jimmy Rodgers for worst coaching record in franchise history (.195).

2011 Twins – Floundering with a 9-15 record. 2nd worst record in the majors, 29th in RS, 28th in ERA, 23rd in BA, 28th in OBP, 29th in Slugging. In the last series vs. Tampa Bay – Outscored 29-5, Ben Zobrist had 13 RBI’s in 3-game series, more than any Twins player has through 24 games.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:38 AM by B Highlight this comment 35

firedog-
It would be really odd if it doesn't go up. Even if we do end up in third this year (or lower, who knows), I don't think they'll be the worst team in baseball the entire year. There still should be at least 10 teams worse than the Twins at the end of the year Silver lining? haha.

Well, even if we do suck at least that will get us a good draft pick. The cupboard is pretty bare minus outfielders.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 36

Are the Twins playing very badly right now? Yes. Does it mean the season is over, no. We are still in April of a very long season and the Twins are without their regular lineup.

That being said, you will get no argument from me that there are a few Twins on the team who should be playing that are not. In addition to some of the players not playing, Gardenhire also has done the same thing in cancelling two very playable games.

It does make it seem that from the top down this team has no heart and no real desire to play the game, which I find to be much more troubling than how they are playing right now.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:27 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 37

Someone Make sense of this for me?

The Twins supposedly build from within correct? We don't sign free agents because we take players from our system right? Why then don't we have a good farm system? How is it that the Yankees can not only buy players via free agency but have lots of talent in the minors too. They can make trades because they have unlimited resources in the minors to make trades. When it comes to the Twins we have 1 or 2 players in the minors that other teams are interested in. Thats it

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 38

The Twins way is getting sickening. I'm tired off seeing guys that can't hit the ball out of the park. I understand there is more to baseball than homeruns, but c'mon. It would be nice to know that up and down the lineup, that if needed to come back or tie up a game, it would be possible. Don't give me the excuse the Twins don't have half their starting lineup. The Rays are missing half their starting roster due to free agency and they just made the Twins their bitches. Zobrist had 10RBI's in one days against the Twins excuse machine.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:14 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 39

If this trend continues into June, its time to start thinking about shredding some payroll and re-building our minor league system with some prospects.

Besides Hicks, Gibson and Revere, there is not much in the minor league system right now, is there? We will more than likely be seeing Gibson on the 40 man roster sooner rather than later.

Sad thing is, no one will even be trade-worthy at the rate things are going this year. I still think they should have traded Liriano to the Yankees when they called the Twins in January. Good luck getting anything of value now from Liriano until his performances improve.

There is just no heart and desire and mental toughness on this team. It shows every year in October and it shows when the Twins are playing teams outside of the AL Central Division. Which team was wearing the ear flaps and long sleeves on Wednesday night and showed no emotion whatsoever? That's right, the Minnesota Twins playing at HOME against a team from FLORIDA. Tampa wasn't intimidated whatsoever from the weather meanwhile the Twins clearly looked like they didn't even want to be there on Wednesday night.

Who do the Twins trade? Young? Kubel? Cuddyer? Liriano? Slowey? Baker? Blackburn? Pavano? Span?

I know its still early in the season and injuries have plagued this team, but lack of depth is definitely a concern. Remember the days when we would get excited to call up players from AAA Salt Lake/Edmonton/Rochester?

Now, its just a bunch of no-names it seems.

Even though its still early in the season, its hard to imagine the Twins turning things around when their starting pitching consistently struggles. You can't get more than 2 or 3 quality starts in a row from any starting pitcher to even build a decent winning streak.

Not to mention, the Twins hitting is just as bad with a lineup full of rally-killers notoriously known for grounding into double plays and killing rallies. There are times to be patient at the plate and there are times when you need to be aggressive at the plate. It seems like the Twins usually have it backwards. When they need to have patience at the plate, they are always swinging at the first pitch.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:30 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 40

Todd-
I think it has a lot to do with what the organizations value. The rating system love strike-out guys and we all know the Twins love pitch to contact guys. The reasons they don't have a lot of that type of pitchers are because they become very expensive quickly and they are the quickest pitchers to flame out and/or get injured. Zumaya can throw the heck out of a ball but I don't even think he's had one decent AND healthy season yet and he's been in the majors for at least five years now. He's provided about 20-40 innings each year at most since 2007.

Baseball America ranks the Twins 12/30 for farm system. Keith Law (ESPN) puts them at 7/30 (I believe). Baseball Prospectus puts them at 15/30.

I'd say the Twins are good at scouting/drafting, not bad and not great, but good. They don't seem to come up with a superstar while being competitive at the same time. Like I said, besides the outfield spot, the Twins need a lot more guys to emerge. They'll need to start heavily re-stocking most positions within five years, so they likely need to get great scouting/drafting or go back to sucking and getting high draft picks.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:39 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 41

Mike-
I'd put Sano on that list as well. The general belief is that he is of the Miguel Cabrera (who the Twins tried to sign) mold, hopefully without the booze problem though. I'm not a big Revere fan, even though he is on everyone's list.

There are other guys I think will be good but I wouldn't put them on the Gibson/Hicks/Sano list. Guys like Danny Rams, Rene Tosoni, Max Kepler, Carlos Gutierrez, Chris Parmelee, Angel Morales, Liam Hendriks, Joe Benson and Alex Wimmers. I see a lot of good potential/results (so far) in those guys.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 1:18 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 42

Can we start a countdown clock on the top of the page for when the Vikings season starts? Maybe a picture of Ponder as well????

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 3:54 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 43

Wow. You're glutton for punishment, aren't you?

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 5:05 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 44

you people do understand... that we are the 1 % of Twins fans who actually go there to watch the games... and get what's going on.

and the other 99 % are there for a chance of being on the "kiss cam", and to be at a "popular" event.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 6:48 PM by mj Highlight this comment 45

you people do understand... that we are the 1 % of Twins fans who actually go there to watch the games... and get what's going on.

and the other 99 % are there for a chance of being on the "kiss cam", and to be at a "popular" event.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 6:49 PM by mj Highlight this comment 46

you people do understand... that we are the 1 % of Twins fans who actually go there to watch the games... and get what's going on.

and the other 99 % are there for a chance of being on the "kiss cam", and to be at a "popular" event.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 6:50 PM by mj Highlight this comment 47

not really. I am getting ready to write this season off. Getting beat I can handle. Players coming out and basically admitting, as Cuddyer did, that they don't have the fire to win and aren't rooting for each other, I have very little time for. I think it's obvious this team does not have chemistry or a leader, at least one willing to step up and say what needs to be said to those not pulling their weight. This team lacks character and fortitude, and don't seem to be self-motivating, which isn't exactly Gardy's strength. I predict now this team will finish no better than third in AL Central.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 48

what the F?

Is the camera guy sitting next to the left field foul pole?

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 7:23 PM by mj Highlight this comment 49

For anyone that is interested, and a glutton for punishment, the Twins are the free MLB.COM TV game tonight. Tune in on your computer for free to witness another ass-kicking!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 7:29 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 50

ClarkAddison,
You were right -- it's the curse of the trees. Nothing else explains this mess. I saw someone at last night's game with a Bring Back The Trees t-shirt. I want one -- what was that website?

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 8:19 PM by WhatTimeIsIt? Highlight this comment 51

Cricky!!!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 8:27 PM by mj Highlight this comment 52

Butera is now at .116

I seriously think I could hit .116 in the majors....

we all could.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM by mj Highlight this comment 53

twinswschamps2011 - umm, no. MLB.com has a blackout restriction on that game because we're all locals. Check it out for yourself. Unless you live in Guongdong, Siberia - there's no watching the shellacking tonight on MLB.com.

Tune to FSN North or go down to the yard, hand over an Abraham Lincoln note to a scalper and watch the last three innings live.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 54

luke,

My Costco in Snottsdale has very good booze locked in a display.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:14 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 55

Wow - I just didn't imagine booze of any sort would be sold at Costco.

Snottsdale...lol? You no like AZ, Kev? I mean, I understand why they call it Pissburgh, or Detroilet or Fatlanta, but Snottsdale is a new one to me...lol.

AZ has the nice weather year-round, you don't feel like you're driving through some bleeding war zone where they've set off a whole bunch of landmines (a pothole joke), sunshine...what's not to love??

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM by luke Highlight this comment 56

Hmmm, I seem to be able to watch it just fine. (I live in Sartell, MN)

So thanks twinswschamps2011!

Oh and Luke, just cause the Twins have been struggling, no reason to be a jerk to someone passing info along. Maybe you forget that there are people out of state or non-local that frequent this board.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 57

Butera at .114 now.

Why not let the pitchers hit for him, to save him the embarassment of batting?

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:47 PM by mj Highlight this comment 58

and now the jackass is throwing balls into the outfield. Nice job.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:51 PM by mj Highlight this comment 59

You can't keep scoring only 3 runs a game - in a league that employs the DH - and ever expect to win a game. They got good pitching tonight, but the hitting and fielding were single A level - AGAIN!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM by terry Highlight this comment 60

You know it's a bad sign when the most lackluster fans in the sport start treating the bloody game like they were three outs away from clinching the AL Central. In all the Royals games I've seen from Kauffman, I don't think I've ever heard the "Let's Go Royals, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap" chant as lively as it was tonight.
ARRRRGH!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 61

I would have to say the Twins did not lose that game, Casilla did.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:10 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 62

luke,

locally we call it snottsdale because of all of the snobs who live there. Much like we call Ahwatukee, allwhiteukee. If I didn't love Arizona, I would live here and poke fun at it, much like my love for the Twins. God I love this team! I must love this team to watch this garbage night after night. Another great late-inning effort by the bums again tonight.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 63

Butera and Casilla are worthless pigs. Anyone off the street could do better.

And Mauer is a lazy-ass... he just sits around collecting two hundred grand for each game he misses.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM by mj Highlight this comment 64

**wouldn't live here** damn cataracts

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:17 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 65

Josh,give some credit to Butera, a/a the Batting Order Black Hole. His failure to even try to make contact on the squeeze play and his throw into center field made what could have been a nice win another in a long line this season of ugly losses. But the main problem is not that of just one player, it is their inability to consistently score more than three runs a game. And of course no one has claimed as many casualties in such a short period of time since the Battle of Cold Harbor!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM by terry Highlight this comment 66

Even I could not have predicted the crap that has gone down this year for the Twins. I did, however, predict one thing - Alexi Casilla is not a major league starter at SS or any other position. He is, at best, a utility infielder and pinch runner. He is terrible.

I have never seen anything like this in baseball in my 44 years on the planet.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 67

Do the Twins not have a single capable shortstop anywhere in the minors? There is no way Casilla belongs as a starter in the big leagues...

Gardy needs to start kicking a** and taking names, but I guess that's not "the Twins' way"...

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 68

if Butera drops below .005 for a BA, I would hope they would send him down, and give someone else a chance.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:58 PM by mj Highlight this comment 69

Its nice to know were out of it by the end of April, so I can make plans for the summer that dont include wasting a red cent watching this bunch of crap!!!

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:58 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 70

Casilla cut off the throw from Right from Kubel, not saying Kubels would have gotten guy out at third, but chances were better without a relay.

Casilla misplays a ball hit too him, granted the runner was in his way, but still, get a glove on it.

Casilla, in my opinion mis plays the terrible Butera throw. I know you want to get the out there, but you also have to protect the ball better and treat it like a ball off a bat, keep it in front of you.

Casilla makes a tough catch in short left, but then makes a spinning hail mary throw, instead of trying to put a solid throw to relay man, Very tough with the speed on 3rd, but better attempt at a throw could have been made.

One thing most have not touched on is that the way we ended the regular season and then the way it trickled into the post-season is eerily similar to how we are starting this year.

Also, for as much as I love Gardy for what he has been able to do with all the set backs and injuries, last years Manager of the Year award, was similar to a Life Time Achievement award. He really did not deserve it last year, but could have gotten many years prior.

Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 71

Based on Rick's photos of the Rays game...I'd say the Target Field magic is probably gone. It took Bill one off-season to piss it away. Unless the Twins turn it around, and I don't see that happening with a staff of minor leaguers, we will see probably 20,000-30,000 at peak games this summer. A few token sellouts. And, with Herschel Mauer's contract hanging over us for 8 years, there is no easy fix.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 09:03 AM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 72

jeez, is the 9 year bandwagon over??? calm down everyone.. yes it is not as fun to sit thru 2.5 hours of baseball when we always lose but its still outdoor baseball, rain,hail,sleet or snow its still outdoor baseball.. im still glad i am a STH and this ship will turn around sooner or later...and if anyone is still complaining about tix prices then you are dumb... last week was as cheap as it ever will be..

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 09:05 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 73

I think it's still possible to complain about ticket prices. I paid $62 + fees for an obstructed view ticket to Thursday's noon game in section 117. Probably the most miserable MLB game I've ever attended and close to the highest price I've ever paid.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 74

Maybe the title of this photo is apropos? Following him on twitter and it sounds like he has been dealing with some lack of sleep issues due to noise outside his place. Not an excuse, but that sucks nonetheless.

Also, Casilla not in the lineup today. Thome in. I will have to watch updates from my phone as we have tickets to the MN Swearm lacrosse playoff game tonight.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 75

What was Bill Smith supposed to do? I suppose he could have out-bid the Phillies for Roy Oswalt and Lee, but he hasn't got nearly the money to spend that they do. And if you think it's time for Cuddy, Young, and Kubel to go, who would you use in their place? Who would you have signed? Can the Twins outbid the Yanks, BoSox, Phils and Cubs for the big talents? Have they got guys that would be sufficient trade bate?
Teams like the Twins are destined to enjoy a few years of success before they sink back down to the middle of the pack. How much money do you devote to sslaries before it starts to impact other concerns, like scouting?
If this is the beginning of the Twins' downturn, it's just part of the cycle.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 76

I did some research back to the 1991 season.
On April 30, 1991, the Twins had a record of 9-11. Going into tonight's game against KC, the Twins are a lowly 9-16.
Things stayed pretty much the same for the Twinkies til that winning streak in June of that year. Anything can happen of course, but with 5 more losses under our belt than this same time 20 years ago, it's not looking good.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 4:17 PM by luke Highlight this comment 77

I've addressed many missteps Smith has taken in the past year or two, but the biggest, and most costly, he should've waited on Mauer until his contract was up. Yes, if Mauer did .340, 28 HR, 120 RBI in 2010 and played 150+ games, sign him for $20 million (probably no justification for $23 million). But, before you dole out franchise contracts, use caution. Mauer had some injury issues prior to the extension. Waiting a year (as the Cardinals are doing with Pujols), and staring at 9 HR and 120 games played, there was not going to be a bidding war and he would've been signed for a lot less. Also, don't sign catchers with shaky knees to 8 year deals when your best player is at first base. Don't sign veteran closers to multi-years, don't expect said closer to carry obliterated bullpen fresh off surgery, don't trade your top prospect for non-factor reliever, Nish, Cuddy, blah, blah, blah. We've bloated payroll with absolutely nothing to show for it...and as a double-whammy, ST and single game revenue will drop sharply next year if this season continues. People don't show up to watch 40-60 teams...I don't care where they're playing. This year is covered because of sellouts prior to the season, but the "On Deck Circle" may not be a reality after this year. Look I'm a realist...the Twins were never great this decade, but they were good. I had huge hopes that Target Field would be what it would take to bump this team up a notch to Phillies-caliber. Last year was great, albeit suspicious in that the team never seemed as good as their record in the 2nd half, but with the LDS last year, and the complete debacle this season has become, I think they blew a huge opportunity here. But, this blog is devoted to stadium purists, and at least there will be lower income folks that will have the reality of enjoying a $5 ticket, probably as soon as mid-July. The only hope this team has right now is that I cannot convince myself the Indians are for real.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 4:36 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 78

Will the scalpers bail like rats leaving a ship (analogy intended) next season? Will there be enough "on deck" to fill the void if they do?

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 5:05 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 79

Too many of the few runs they've scored this year have scored on double plays.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM by terry Highlight this comment 80

we'll see 20000 - 30000 for the peak games this summer.

the weekend games are sold out, but people will just stay home and not use the tickets they paid for.

a question... what would you do with a brain... if you had one?

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM by mj Highlight this comment 81

So far three "official" hits, two real hits. That is getting to be a real old story. The fielding was sub-par again tonight, but the real story tonight and all year has been the pathetic bush league hitting.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:17 PM by terry Highlight this comment 82

To those that said it's early, yada, yada...

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:48 PM by tk Highlight this comment 83

I know it's simplistic to think that any one player makes all the difference, but I did see that Nicky Punto tripled in the winning run for the Cardinals in extra innings yesterday...

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:48 PM by Rick 84

What would have occurred in Tosoni would have just played the ball conservatively?

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:50 PM by tk Highlight this comment 85

Significant no-shows in May, sellouts in June for interleague/Brewers/White Sox with near 100% attendance, "official" sellouts in July-Aug with 1/4 stadium no-shows, and downright ugly in September...1/2 empty at least. $2-$5 tickets on Stubhub post-4th July...if this continues. The difference between paid attendance and actual attendance will be huge. On Deck Circle bails, ticket reps re-contact scalpers who they took tickets away from this past off-season during next off-season. There are so many STHs that look to profit off their tickets, and when that is taken away, they'll turn them in.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:50 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 86

Ho. Ly. Shit. That went from close to insanely out of hand in a hurry. And yet I'm hardly surprised. And that stupid effing rally song is just adding insult to injury.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:53 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 87

May cannot come any faster!

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:53 PM by tk Highlight this comment 88

has Delmon Young played his last game as a Twin?

I heard an interesting theory today... he's not injured, he just didn't want to play on Wed., it was too cold, and he wanted another day off.

Gardy got pissed, put him on the DL, and they are trying to trade him.

sounds believable to me. More believable than him being on the lineup card... and then going on the DL, because he couldn't "loosen up".

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:56 PM by mj Highlight this comment 89

True tk and terry, but just remember who our lineup consists of right now. It's practially been the b-squad minor league team for a few weeks now. No Mauer, no Morneau (for all intents and purposes), no Young, no Nishioka. Who's supposed to carry this team through this mess, Span? Casilla? Valencia? It's no surprise the results when you look at who is currently the supposed core of the team. We just have to wait patiently (and hopefully) for a while until our big guys get healthy and hot. We might be waiting a while, but luckily it's still really early.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:01 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 90

Bremer summed it up nicely tonight at the end of the broadcast, "One of the worst months of April in Twins history mercifully comes to an end"

Hey, at least I saw ONE Twins win, on April 23 at TF. That 10-3 shellacking of the Indians is a nice memory.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:01 PM by luke Highlight this comment 91

And yet I'm sure you all heard that stat, 9-17 in April - first time in franchise history Twins have lost 19 in April...ugh. Doesn't bode well.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:05 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 92

Luke,

What does this year's team have to do with 1991? Sure, 1991 they got off to a bad start. How does that mean this year's team is destined to win it all like the 1991 club? I don't see a connection besides the similar start. That being said, don't bet on a WS title this year. Morris, Erickson, Tapani and co would outpitch these clowns anyday! Young/Tsunami is not match for Gladden. Don't even dare mention Span in the same sentence as Kirby. I'll take Gagne in a heartbeat over Casilla. Knobby was ROY at 2nd compared to the platoon we have now thanks the Jap going down. Morneau/Hrbek - okay, there's our first similarity. And right now the catcher position isn't producing to the level of Brian Harper. So please please, enough of the "just like 1991" nonsense!

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 93

Wow, the Twins have to double their season win total in the next 9 without a lost to just get above .500

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:09 PM by tk Highlight this comment 94

*Loss, pardon my error

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:10 PM by tk Highlight this comment 95

What was Bill Smith supposed to do? I'm sorry, Dr. X, but B.S. doesn't get a pass because baseball is cyclical. Good G.M.s manage their team rosters so that the cycles are minor or nonexistent. It's about planning for the future by growing and maturing the farm system and being a good talent evaluator. It's about making wise contract decisions with your present team so that you don't bust the bank and not all of your best players' contracts are up at the same time. It's about being smart enough to tinker with your roster wisely to bolster a weak position via a trade or FA signing. B.S. has failed at ALL levels.

The Twins have been more lucky than good over the past couple of years. They played in a division where being good but not great can win you a division because other teams were equally inept at improvement via trades/FA. The Twins were just a little bit better than the rest. (but still lagging in the A.L. as a whole) Now the other teams in the division have caught up via their player development (Royals/Indians) or acquisitions (Tigers).

Morneau and Mauer are not the players they once were. Nearly every other position player can be replaced with somebody of equal talent for probably half their salaries. The farm system has little on the way. The Twins are pretty inept when it comes to FA signings that play beyond expectation.

You don't need a $200 million payroll to properly evaluate talent and be a good steward of your payroll dollars to field a good team -- that's a weak excuse. B.S. might be the David Kahn of Twins Way.

It's going to get uglier.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:23 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 96

name a player who they should have signed.

Grienke wasn't an option, the Royals wouldn't trade him to any team in the division.

Cliff Lee? no... if the Yankees couldn't persuade him to sign for a giant contract, the Twins had no chance.

who are these stellar free agents they should have signed?

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:35 PM by mj Highlight this comment 97

Twins have lost 5 games in the standing in 5 days, and are already 9 games out after 26 games. Somebody needs to be held accountable! BS should be gone, he is a complete moron and inept evaluator of talent.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:43 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 98

If your best defense is "who should the Twins have signed this past offseason" then your thinking is myopic. It goes much deeper than that. The Twins are much farther away from fielding a championship team than just one or two players. For example, the Twins bombed with how they handled the Hunter and Santana scenarios. When you're practically giving away your talent and getting nothing in return, then you're not a viable front office.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:52 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 99

and for players who you couldn't replace, unless you spent twice the $...

(and each of these guys need to prove their value... but they're solid ball players...)

Span, Valencia, Duensing... and by August, Nishioka will be on the list.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 9:52 PM by mj Highlight this comment 100

Santana and Hunter have both been complete busts, who haven't come close to playing at a level that would justify the contract they got.

Did the Mets plan on paying Santana 30 million for each arm surgery he'd have?

thats's what they're getting.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 10:03 PM by mj Highlight this comment 101

Why have we not tried aquiring that awesome Nationals catcher, he would fit in nicely! Oh wait....

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 10:09 PM by tk Highlight this comment 102

True about Santana and Hunter. I'm not saying the Twins should have kept them. I'm saying that at the moment they left the Twins, their value was MUCH MORE than what the Twins got in return. I don't understand why you are even trying to argue this.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 10:10 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 103

Barry Zito... is the only person in baseball, who has stole more money than Johan Santana.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 10:10 PM by mj Highlight this comment 104

just arguing out of boredom... and because I'm right!

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 10:18 PM by mj Highlight this comment 105

What you are seeing on the field is a result of really, really bad personnel decisions over the past 1-3 years. Plain and simple. The Twins somehow signed a deal with Cuddy that forced them to extend him for $10.5 million one year before his contract was up! Then, he turns around and does the same thing with Mauer when he doesn't have to. Every move BS made appears to have been wrong, with the exception of resigning Kubel, who appears to be headed for Phoenix in July as the token Twins representative at the All-Star game.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 10:43 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 106

Cuddyer's worth every cent...

who else could you stick at first, second, third and anywhere in the outfield?

and with Mauer... it's retarded to think the Twins didn't make the best BUSINESS decision they could have at the time.

I guess if you're Sid, you might say the Red Sox and Yankees wouldn't have paid him... but they would have.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 10:55 PM by mj Highlight this comment 107

it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Yankees pony up the 30 million a year Pujols agent wants him to make next year.

yes, they already have a first baseman making 25 million a year... but why not have a DH who can back him up at first for another 30 million?

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 11:04 PM by mj Highlight this comment 108

TTH certainly is an expert analyzing where the Twins’ front office has gone wrong these past few years. That’s why I can’t figure out why Bill Smith is where he is and TTH isn’t intimately involved in the Twins’ player personnel decisions. They’re really missing the boat here.
Unless these decisions have to be made at the moment, and the evaluations all have the benefit of 20-20 hindsight. I also can’t help but wonder if maybe there’s more to these decisions and what limits them than meets the eye of the casual fan.
Naa!

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 11:47 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 109

Sarcasm noted.

Just saw this stat on "Baseball Tonight." Since something like 1936, 246 teams have been 6 or more games out of first place by May 1. FIVE have gone on to win their division. (To play devil's advocate, the Twins, White Sox and Tigers are all in that boat presently, so I could see the odds being beaten in this division.)

... or you can go with the "1991 Twins" observation.

Posted on April 30, 2011 at 11:57 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 110

While comparisons to 1991 aren't intended to suggeest that the Twins are once again a team of destiny, they are intended to imply that things can drastically improve. Will the Twins make it to the WS?
Probably not, the way things are looking at present. Is it posssible for them to show considerable improvement in the coming months and make things interesting? That's certainly possible.

Therein lies the hope for 2011.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:07 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 111

Mj-

Joe Mauer seems to be stealing quite a bit of money these days and has for the past few years.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 03:10 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 112

Carl Pavano is high up on that theft list with the multi-millions he soaked out of the Yankees.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 09:48 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 113

Of course there's still hope. It's only May 1 and 83 wins will probably win this god awful division. That said, even if the Twins get healthy and actually start to hit the ball and win the division, expect nothing more in the playoffs. playoffs? PLAYoffs? did I just say PLAYOFFS??

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:33 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 114

WhatTimeIsIt - you asked about that t-shirt - I saw one around town the other day and snapped a pic, click on my name for a link to it.
You can get one at www.cafepress.com/bringbackthetrees.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:03 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 115

Its funny how a 1-0 lead looks like it is insurmountable for the Twins offense. Maybe we couuld put a countdown towards the 2012 draft, we will probably have the #1 pick.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:59 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 116

Watching the Twins bat this year is like watching paint dry. KC now has two runs. Does this game now qualify as a "laugher"?

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM by terry Highlight this comment 117

No chance Gardy pulls Casilla from the field in the middle of this inning, eh? WTF kind of ball is this, anyway...

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 118

Mauer has been stealing money for several years?

so you are including his MVP/batting title year as a year he stole $? 10 or 12 million?

And yes, the Yankees should have pressed felony charges against Pavano for the 40 million dollars he robbed from them.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:29 PM by mj Highlight this comment 119

a couple years ago, Ozzie Guillen made a comment I found amusing...

"with the way this team is playing... every time I pick up my paycheck... I feel like I'm robbing a bank..."

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:38 PM by mj Highlight this comment 120

The well has run dry for me to make Kool-Aid...

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:49 PM by TK Highlight this comment 121

Pavano should have worn a ski mask while pitching, and carried a gun to the mound in his Yankee years.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM by mj Highlight this comment 122

Interesting how the opening to Fox Sports Twins is a collage of fans and Target Field and no shots of the players themselves. Perhaps they knew something before the season started that most didn't?

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 123

I can still drink the Kool Aid for a few reasons....

The Sox and Tigers are stinking it up nearly as badly as the Twins.

Nishioka will be coming back.

Mauer may come back at some point.

The Indians will not win 140 games.

Now my TV is definitely broken... it just showed Casilla getting another triple.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM by mj Highlight this comment 124

If a miracle doesnt happen we are going to lose 6 games in the standings in 6 days, and be 10 games out already.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 125

No worries. Just a slump.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:50 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 126

Twins now 2-16 when scoring less than 3 runs.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:52 PM by TK Highlight this comment 127

May 1 and it's official: you can put a fork in them. They are so bad in so many areas that this team has no shot at a winning record let alone winning the division.

Ticket prices for future home games just went into free fall after this horrendous week.

K

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:55 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 128

Worst record in baseball right now, and the only team that hasn't won 10 games yet.

Pass me the kool-aid, and hurry...

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:00 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 129

At least those Twins - White Sox games later this week should be "interesting." Two trainwreck teams so far in 2011. Somethings gotta give!

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:01 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 130

You can't control what other teams do in the standings other than beat them when you play them.

The Twins' problems are far deeper than just a few players being on the DL.

They don't have any leaders on this team willing to step up and carry the team. They lack the starting pitching needed to put together several wins in a row to make a run in the standings.

They may have one or two good starts in a row, but than one of the starting pitchers will blow the next game.

If they get solid starting pitching, than they lose games 3-1 due to lack of offense or the bullpen failing to hold and save games.

I just don't see any fire or punch in this team to convince me they can turn it around.

It's time to face the facts that the Twins are not a great team. What more evidence do you need? Their bullpen is terrible, their offense is terrible, their starting pitching is inconsistent and not to mention their defense has been terrible this year as well.

No depth on this team whatsoever.

There needs to be a major overhaul on this team to bring a new attitude...oh wait, if anyone doesn't do it the Gardenhire way, they are shown the door (Garza, Hunter, Pierzynski, Hawkins, Lohse, Romero, Santana to name a few)

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:14 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 131

The problem isn't that their record is so bad in games in which they score 3 runs or less. That is to be expected. The problem is the percentage of such games. Right now that percentage stands at .667 - 18 of 27.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM by terry Highlight this comment 132

I just woke up in time to miss the awful game, but see Pavano destroy a bat. Good timing, I'd say.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:26 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 133

"It's time to face the facts that the Twins are not a great team."

Have they ever been a great team? Good, even very good --- yes. Lucky --- certainly. But great? I would say the closest they ever came to great was in 1969.

We need an attitude adjustment, a return to basic skills, and a renewed team spirit. Getting a couple of key players back into the land of the living would not hurt either.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:26 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 134

Kev - do the math. The only point I was trying to make was that the Twins sucked dirt in the early months of 1991 as well. The only point I was laboring to make was that the Twinkies can still do things "the Twins way" and turn things around.

From a realist standpoint, the way this team is looking, there's no fat chance in hell this team is going to even belch out 60 wins this year. But, the only point I was trying to make was that, we thought in 1991 there was no fat chance in hell that team was going to do anything - and look, they did something.

But, I'm still a realist. This year's club sucks and I don't think much is going to change. But, there COULD still be hope lurking in the manure pile...sometimes, you just gotta believe.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:31 PM by luke Highlight this comment 135

I've heard that if you drink a lot of grape Kool-Aid, your sh*t turns neon green. I'll take that as a perfect description of Twins baseball today...

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:36 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 136

please twins broadcasters quit mentioning off days and how much it will help this team. i've never seen a team that whines so much about needing days off. it's baseball for godsakes. do they enjoy playing the "game"? quit saying "twins way" also. it's laughable at this point. the swing from last season to now is amazing. it's unwatchable baseball. we're playing second stringers at key positions. hopefully come june we'll be at full strength and some semblance of a season can be pulled from this mess.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM by tim Highlight this comment 137

Not looking forward to the 2 of 4 days being off this week. It is only prolonging the bleeding.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM by tk Highlight this comment 138

Can I interest anyone in my September Twins-Royals tickets?

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 6:44 PM by twinswschamps2027 Highlight this comment 139

This isnt just the worst team in the league, they are the worst team in the league by far. There run differential is -64 thru 27 games the next worst team is the White Sox at -36. Should be a fun series on the south side this week. BS took one season at TF to ruin the momentum this team could have had from TF and been a front runner for years to come. The honeymoon is already over, by September they will be lucky to draw 20,000. On another note maybe Pavano could catch on days he is not pitching, I see some potential after that hitting display in the dugout!

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 6:53 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 140

If we're calling for the end to the term "Twins' way," can we also call for a moritorium on the use of the name, "Kool-Aid" as well?

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 141

Dr. X, I just picked up some MiO mix, hoping this changes things up a bit. I will refrain and now start drinking the MiO mix and hope to have better results, this stuff isn't half bad.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:09 PM by tk Highlight this comment 142

firedog, I concur in spades. Yeah, it should be interesting against the Sox this week. I hate to be a party-poo, but I think we'll get swept by the Sox too. We might eek out one win if the Sox decide not to show up one night. You could take that literally or figuratively.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:22 PM by luke Highlight this comment 143

Does MiO bear the same Jim Jones imprimatur as does the afore-mentioned, let's-please-never-mention-it-again, fruit flavored beverage?

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:36 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 144

Don't worry, X. The term KOOL-AID should disappear soon as it seems everybody has stopped drinking it. Unfortunately, reality goes down like cheap vodka.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:37 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 145

Osama Bin Ladin dead!

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:48 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 146

Huh? Francisco Liriano nicknamed his left arm "Osama bin Laden"?

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:58 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 147

Bin Laden could have hit .110 for the Twins, as a catcher.

Drew Butera will hit .008.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM by mj Highlight this comment 148

we'd be better off with Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein platooning at catcher than Butera and Holm.

(if either of them was still alive.)

And I'd take Hitler over Alexi Casilla at short... if he was still alive.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:30 PM by mj Highlight this comment 149

I still like Valencia... I wouldn't replace him with Mussolini...

yet.

Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:48 PM by mj Highlight this comment 150

Good news is that maybe they will have to go back to classic pose bobblehead promotions. Bad news is that have no one worthy of bobblehead-dom.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 12:34 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 151

It's early guys...it's only May.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 06:52 AM by twinswschamps2027 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 152

If you can't hit over .200 you have no business in Major League Baseball. Casilla and Butera are minor league players at the very best.

Joe Mauer isn't even a good catcher. I would love to see his ranking of throwing out base stealers? Gold Glove catcher is just an opinion award. What stats that matter go into that award? So, he's won 3 batting titles as a singles hitter.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 08:56 AM by Todd Highlight this comment 153

I would post a picture but I finally was able to see this (linked). This is the most lively a Twins bat has looked in a while.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 10:17 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 154

When the commentators say that Pavano is easy to steal on, they ought to at least mention that he has picked a couple runners off base this year and his fielders have botched the rundown both times.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 11:22 AM by terry Highlight this comment 155

Has FSN done the run down as part of their instructional this year? If so, they should send a tape of it to the Twins.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 11:28 AM by tk Highlight this comment 156

Ok I'm thinking we can go 2-4 on the rest of this road trip. Can't see us getting much past 78 wins though for the season! Who would have thought both the Sox and Twins battling it out for the cellar.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 157

Did anyone road trip to Kansas City this weekend? I haven't been to Kauffman Stadium since the 1990s. How do the renovations of the past few years look?

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 4:00 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 158

Just saw yesterday's Pavano tirade. Clearly, he's got the hottest bat on the team.

Can you let the pitchers hit and use a DH in place of your catcher?

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 4:47 PM by Rick 159

Anyone see the STrib piece about the location of the Vikings stadium's best bet being the Farmers Market site thus creating a Sports Corridor with TF and TC? Further, anyone know where to get the proposal discussed in the story released by Bruce Lambrecht?

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 4:48 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 160

lol Rick. That is very true.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 4:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 161

How can the farmer's market site be better. The onlyway I see this being a better location is if the Vikings and Twins NEVER play on the same day.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 5:01 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 162

Jorge:

The 250M renovation was executed perfectly. For a park built 40+ years ago it looks amazing. The seating in the outfield was integrated very well. I believe Kauffmann is in the Top 5-8 ballparks in the bigs.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 5:01 PM by Max Highlight this comment 163

I am looking forward to heading to the K in June!

On a side note, I am very confident that we are going to have a positive month ahead. There are no unbeatable teams and I think things are going to look up.

I think the Pavano incident is just what the Twins needed to see!

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 5:08 PM by tk Highlight this comment 164

Here's the link to the article about the Farmer's Market site. I do not know if Lambrecht's proposal is anything concrete in writing, or more of an idea. Getting the Vikings to move there would help Lambrecht financially benefit personally, so I can understand his momentum behind such an idea.

The Royals' renovation is a perfect example of one done right. The stadium still has that "retro concrete" feel that has it dated in a sense, but all the updgrades and amenities make it also feel contemporary. A great place to watch outdoor ball.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 165

The Farmer's Market site is better than the Dome site in just about every way. Even in terms of site acquisition it's better (despite being more expensive) because they can put together a parcel the size and shape that they want. The Dome site would work, obviously, but everybody would rather start from scratch if they could.

I have to admit that I find some perverse pleasure in the realization and admission going around that the Dome site was a failure in essentially every conceivable way. The best thing they could do is blow the place up, restore the street grid, and pretend that the whole thing never happened. (What they'll actually do is probably convert the parcel to housing, which isn't as good, but still will do.)

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 5:51 PM by Rick 166

Looks like the Twins have released more tickets for the summer. No availability for the NY/Brewers series.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 6:39 PM by tk Highlight this comment 167

Funny thing: I've set price points many times before on Stubhub and never gotten even a single email -- until now, that is. I got the first one today, and it looks like we could be about to witness a serious crash in secondary Twins ticket prices.

From the Twins standpoint, this isn't really a problem. These are all tickets for which they've already received face value (or the STH equivalent).

For the casual STH hoping to break even or maybe make a little money over the course of the season, the Twins' -- ahem -- slow start is probably going to mean some serious loss of revenue, at least for a while.

Of course, nothing gets locked in. Buy now! If the boys start winning, it could all disappear faster than you can say "three-dollar a gallon gas".

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 7:05 PM by Rick 168

As I said a few days ago....July-Sept games post-Brewers will be had for cheap. The Twins aren't turning squat around this year with this AA lineup. I predict there will be Sept weeknight games with actual attendance around 15,000. Paid attendance of course, at 36,000. As a STH, it pisses me off...I should've unloaded the day everybody was pissed off when the single game system kept crashing. Instead, I held...knowing, of course, that I was affording myself the luxury of picking games to go to or sell as the season progressed, because surely, all would come in droves to buy my tickets to see the .610 Twins cruise toward another post-season berth.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 7:22 PM by twinswschamps2027 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 169

I found out a little more about the Lambrecht Vikings stadium proposal. It essentially makes a hard case -- with maps and lots of numbers -- for the Farmer's Market site over the Dome site.

They have brought forward and updated a lot of the research done for Target Field, and matched it up with fresh numbers for the Dome. You can imagine that all of the things which made the TF site work essentially apply to the neighboring site.

I've also confirmed that the Rapid Park group doesn't own any land on the proposed site (though they would certainly benefit from having yet another sports facility located so close to them).

The big mystery is why nobody else -- not the city, not the Legislature, not the Vikings, not the various "save the Vikings" groups -- have done anything like this.

And you really must give Bruce Lambrecht and his group credit for always thinking big. Would that there were similar big thinkers in positions to actually make the big decisions. Politicians generally can't see beyond the next election...

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 7:29 PM by Rick 170

Only reason I don't like the Farmer's Market site is my free parking for Twins games gets torpedoed.

As Steven Wright said, "you can't have everything, where would you put it?"

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 8:01 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 171

Football without tailgaiting shouldnt that be A crime.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 9:02 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 172

I presume the "farmer's market" site would be bounded by Highway 55 & 7th Street on the north, and Glenwood Ave & the railroad tracks on the south? (google map linky)

Would they try to buy out Mary's Place, or would they try to work around that property?

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 9:30 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 173

FSN replaying the 19-1 victory over KC last year, apparently trying to compensate for this year's deficiencies.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 9:40 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 174

I consider the Twins 2 games out of first, after the Tigers collapse tonight.

I'll need to see at least 2 more months of good baseball out of the Indians and Royals to convince me that they wont finish 4th and 5th in the Central.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 10:25 PM by mj Highlight this comment 175

I consider the Twins 2 games out of first, after the Tigers collapse tonight.

I'll need to see at least 2 more months of good baseball out of the Indians and Royals to convince me that they wont finish 4th and 5th in the Central.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 10:25 PM by mj Highlight this comment 176

My thoughts are that Cleveland and KC cannot and will not stay hot all year. If we can stay within 4-5 games by the All-Star Break, it will only take a few sets of winning streaks. If you flip the Twins/Indians streaks right now, we would be right in the thick of things. Besides, we seem to have the Indians number this year, only given the small sample size.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM by tk Highlight this comment 177

Dr. Samuel Johnson's right about Olson Johnson being right. And I'm not giving up my ice cream parlor, that I built with these two hands, for nothing or nobody.

Posted on May 2, 2011 at 10:45 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 178

I sold about a third of my season tickets prior to opening day. Dodged a bullet there. This team couldn't beat the Red Wings.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 12:40 AM by bp Highlight this comment 179

BP,

I thought this team was the Red Wings?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 12:44 AM by tk Highlight this comment 180

hahah tk, that's what i was gonna say!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 08:02 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 181

I've been calling them the "Rochester Twins".

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 08:31 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 182

Pat Reusse had a pretty sobering assessment of the lads in this morning's column. To me they seemed out of sync right from the start of spring training. Too many regulars missing too many games in March. It seemed like the only name you heard mentioned with any frequency from Ft. Meyers was Luke Hughes. Now they're a month into the regular season and it's as though they are still trying to shake the winter rust off.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 08:57 AM by terry Highlight this comment 183

Twins annouced the makeup game vs Indians about an hour ago on facebook...

The postponed game against the Indians (4-22) will be made up on 7-18 at 12:10 p.m. as part of a split day-night doubleheader. GO TWINS!

This sucks! Now I have to try and sell my tickets because it's a MONDAY! I wish they would have made the doubleheader on Wednesday.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:09 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 184

The Friday, April 22 game has been rescheduled for Monday, July 18 at 12:10pm as part of a day-night doubleheader.

For those folks with 20-game plan E, that means you will have tickets to both the Sunday July 17 game and the Monday July 18 early game meaning I will probably have to sell my tickets from the postponed 4/22 game now.

I think the Twins should have rescheduled it for the night game on Wednesday July 20 since they don't travel anywhere. Other teams make the Twins play night games on getaway days why can't the Twins do the same thing to the Indians?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:12 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 185

Looks like Cleveland has an off day also the next day the July 21st also!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:31 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 186

BLAH, anybody want to swap overhang tickets? I have makeup game 137 row 2, girl can't go now due to PTO'less med residency.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:26 AM by eskerber Highlight this comment 187

I think the Twins may have done it for rotation purposes and to give their starters an extra day rest, playing two games before a day off only gives that extra starter a day off...

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:28 AM by tk Highlight this comment 188

Twins do not have an off day on thursday July 21st. They play Detroit that day. Cleveland does have the next day off though!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:56 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 189

The Indians rotation is all right handed. They will not be able to compete with the Twins head to head.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM by bobby Highlight this comment 190

Noon on a Monday might be a tough sell. A lot more valuable when it was a Friday night game.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 191

Some guy calling for Gardenhire to be fired. Even I think that's a tad extreme a month into the season.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 192

I can't fault Gardy when he's had half a team to work with. Get a few guys healthy and let's see what happens.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 2:21 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 193

The guy we traded Jose Morales for has brain cancer.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 194

Paul Bargas.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 3:13 PM by mj Highlight this comment 195

Ben,

Are you referring to resale? It was a tough sell when it was a Friday Apr 22 game as well, even before the weather forecast was wet/cold.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 3:40 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 196

Francissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssco 1-4 9.13 era vs E. Jackson 2-3 5.86 era. Could be a 5 hour game with about 10 walks between the 2 of em? Man do we need a win! Cisco on double secret probation tonight!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 4:19 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 197

I dunno, bad. For a guy who can't seem to push his guys past the Central Division series barrier...it makes you think. And now the win-loss column is starting to go sour, it might be time for a shakeup in the dugout.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 5:25 PM by luke Highlight this comment 198

I think there should be a team rule, you F-up in the field Pavano will chase you around the dugout with a bat...

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 6:16 PM by tk Highlight this comment 199

Thome has been scratched and Tosoni is in the lineup. Should we really be calling them the Red Wings or are they the Rock Cats?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 6:33 PM by terry Highlight this comment 200

Great running catch for Span. What the heck is Rene doing behind him on that play!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 8:13 PM by tk Highlight this comment 201

Butera may be hitting .102 now, but he wont be able to keep his average that high throughout the season.

Would the Sox catch on if the Twins sent Kubel out to bat for Butera, wearing his jersey?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 8:24 PM by mj Highlight this comment 202

I think they should just skip Butera and give us an automatic out.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM by tk Highlight this comment 203

no way! Let our pitchers try to hit for him.

his next at bat will complete the 0 - 4 and put him under .100.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 8:50 PM by mj Highlight this comment 204

no way! Let our pitchers try to hit for him.

his next at bat will complete the 0 - 4 and put him under .100.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 8:51 PM by mj Highlight this comment 205

a quick prayer request from everyone....

I wont mention what it's for.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:08 PM by mj Highlight this comment 206

HELLLLLLL YEAHHHHHH!!!!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:19 PM by tk Highlight this comment 207

WOW! Could this be the thing that turns the Twins around? Time will tell!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:19 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 208

and THAT, ladies, is why you watch the game.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:20 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 209

Awesome!!! I would have loved less walks but whatever. I'll take this.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:21 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 210

Wow! Great to be a Twins fan, isn't it?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:22 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 211

Un-be-liev-ab-le

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:23 PM by br Highlight this comment 212

As the Hawk would say MERCY!!!!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 213

Congrats Liriano!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM by tk Highlight this comment 214

3 Gold Glove plays in the field behind him...

Valencia, Span and Mourneau.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:28 PM by mj Highlight this comment 215

Not trying to be negative, but...The sad thing about this, it took a No-No for the Twins to win!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:29 PM by tk Highlight this comment 216

I know kool-aid's been blacklisted from the board, but can I drink the Tang instead?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:30 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 217

Wow! This is numbingly fantastic. Last start he gave up 4 runs before I got to my seat and left to a chorus of boos at home. Amazing. He must have been feeling the ball well tonight! Congrats!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:35 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 218

the Mourneau pick on Tolbert's ball in the dirt... was good.

Span's jump on the ball hit to the gap... was better.

Valencia's pickup and throw from behind third... was best.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM by mj Highlight this comment 219

the Mourneau pick on Tolbert's ball in the dirt... was good.

Span's jump on the ball hit to the gap... was better.

Valencia's pickup and throw from behind third... was best.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM by mj Highlight this comment 220

Valencia's play was great, and a perfect throw to Morneau's chest.

However our guys win, I'll take it. :-)

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:54 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 221

6 walks and only 2 K's is a really strange line for a no-no.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:03 PM by br Highlight this comment 222

Will be forgotten when he gives up 4 runs in his next start.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:07 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 223

...in the first inning.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:07 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 224

Oakland over Cleveland in the 4th. We comiiiin, we comiiiin!

(I'm a homer of the nth degree)

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:11 PM by eskerber Highlight this comment 225

now I'm looking at the site from a phone...

but startribune has...

"LIARIANO PITCHES NO HITTER!"

(in caps)

and two nights ago, it was
"Bin Laden killed in Packistan"

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM by mj Highlight this comment 226

now I'm looking at the site from a phone...

but startribune has...

"LIARIANO PITCHES NO HITTER!"

(in caps)

and two nights ago, it was
"Bin Laden killed in Packistan"

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM by mj Highlight this comment 227

I suppose muscling out 1 run from our sole hot bat against a pitcher with an 8.44 ERA isn't something to brag about.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM by eskerber Highlight this comment 228

Truth, are you a motivational speaker by chance?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 229

Well, relish it while we can. I'm sure things will be back to normal tomorrow: we'll blow a three-run lead in the last six outs of the game.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:20 PM by luke Highlight this comment 230

I should change my name to Jimmy Two Times. Why does my phone do that?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:21 PM by mj Highlight this comment 231

mj: don't forget Morneau's "tag" on Beckham to end the 8th.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:21 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 232

It would be scored a fielder's choice, right Schweady?

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:29 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 233

oh, for sure, ND. but my point was more of a dig at the first base umpire perhaps thinking a little too hard. and props to Morneau for selling it. :)

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 234

when Mauer, Nishioka, Young, and Thome are off the DL... There will be a 15-5 stretch for the Twins.

They are still "two games out of first", the Tigers won tonight..

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:38 PM by mj Highlight this comment 235

Really happy to see ESPN's graphic read "7th no-hitter in franchise history..." None of the FSN or TwinsRadioNetwork announcers went beyond talk of "the fifth in Twins history" line. Even the Twins' own website ignored the Senators' Bobby Burke (1931) and Walter Johnson (1920), choosing to simply go with the phrase "fifth since the Twins moved to Minneapolis..."

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:40 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 236

It is meet and right to celebrate "The Franchise" tonight. But it's one game, and doubtful to change the club's fortunes. The no-hitter is a fluke; the one measly run, sadly, is nothing but a continuation of the trend. .... That is what worries me.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:40 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 237

a no hitter is a fluke?

even if it was, about 99.9 % of starters will never get one.
With Dunn, Konerko, Quentin and Rios in the lineup?

Was that the first baseball game you ever watched? You don't understand how good those guys are.

and the A's are currently doing their part to send the Indians to 4th place in the Central. Go A's!

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 10:56 PM by mj Highlight this comment 238

I was expecting Quentin, Konerko, or Dunn to hit a 600 foot shot with a guy on first after a walk.

Quentin struck out in that early inning jam... when I was expecting an enormous 3 run bomb.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:11 PM by mj Highlight this comment 239

Ironic that the last 3 outs are ground out/pop out/line out to Tolbert at shortstop. I couldn't help wondering what might have occurred with our "regular" SS over there.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:12 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 240

No expert here, but I'd be willing to bet most players would suggest that more than 1/2 of no-hitters are flukey (is that a word) in some way, Liriano's included. They just can't come out and publicly say it for obvious reasons...

BTW, check out this much too common occurrence if you patronize a Cubs game. Hilarious! Thought you'd enjoy...

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:25 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 241

Jon Rauch gives up a walkoff bomb tonight.

thank god we have Dusty Hughes.

(I thought Rauch did fine with us last year... I would expect a loss in a pressure situation.)

Mariono Rivara has blown as many saves this year, as Nathan has.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:27 PM by mj Highlight this comment 242

Aren't all no-hitters flukes? Hopefully this is the fire under the tooshy that the boys need.

Posted on May 3, 2011 at 11:53 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 243

Definitely a fluke... I'll admit I didn't see the game live, but watched "Quick Pitch" this morning where they broke down Frankie's performance. Probably one of the least dominant no-hitters ever. Six walks, a lot of balls UP. At times, his pitches were all over the place. In addition, the missed tag by Morneau at first was a bad call, so technically it was a one-hitter.

But you know what? I'll take it. Valencia's play at third base was AMAZING, btw.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 07:12 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 244

TTH that play at first was the back end of a an attempted DP so it would have been scored a fielders choice. But your right it is a fluke and he will probably blow up in his next start. Only way we can win a game is to have a pitchers throw a no-no, this offense is beyond anemic!

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 07:24 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 245

Yeah, the phantom tag would have been a fielder's choice. It would never be ruled a hit. That being said, who knows what the next hitter would have done. Nice sell by Morneau. I like how Ozzie walked half way there and was just like "screw it, what's the point?" and walked back.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 07:44 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 246

Yeah it wasn't a pretty No-No but I'll take it, this could be a turning point!

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 07:56 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 247

I brought up the phantom tag, so here's a bit more on where I was going with that: No, the ump's correct call would not have broken up the no-hitter... on that play. It did, however, get everyone off the field in a hurry, help keep the momentum going, and save Liriano from perhaps 6-8 additional pitches to get that last out in the 8th, which may well have made the difference in how the 9th went. (Not to mention allow him to come out to the mound in the 9th in the first place.)

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 07:57 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 248

Check out what the new sports complex layout might look like if the Vikings stadium is built on the farmers market site. The rendering is halfway into the article. Click my name.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 07:59 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 249

Jeff - thanks for that link. That looks like an interesting layout. But parking is the big thing for me. Submitted for your approval: say the Twins actually make it deep in the playoffs again sometime in my lifetime, the Vikings play the Bears in a mid-season matchup, and the T-wolves tango with the Anaheim Kings (Sacramento Kings are moving after next season) on the same day. Parking and traffic will be a nightmare with that setup.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 08:25 AM by luke Highlight this comment 250

I'm sorry, I forgot: linked to my name is an article from the St Louis Post Dispatch. Apparently, they're having severe attendance troubles too.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 08:26 AM by luke Highlight this comment 251

Thome to DL.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 09:20 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 252

I like that layout, with the 3 stadiums, all the rails coming in. It'll be nice

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 09:21 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 253

looked like 6000 folks where at the cell last night, i know paid was 20k but i think it was under 10... the economy is killing .. sports are to spendy.. im glad i have my season tickets but if it keeps up like this i could drop them next year and still see 20 games for cheaper than i do now .. who care if i dont see the yankees or brewers.. kinda exciting to think i can pay 11 bucks and sit behind home plate on a tuesdat night in the cold to watch the blue jays ...if your a baseball fan its kinda a good thing the fans are not packing it in as much.. i mean you wanted to go cheaper right???? jeez never happy

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 09:23 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 254

Regardless of whether the Farmers Market site is the best or not, I've gotta admit that Energy Resource Center is a pretty darned creative name for the garbage burner.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 09:35 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 255

Luke - that scenario is highly unlikely

The NFL/MLB would have to work closely with each other just like they do in other cities with separate stadiums that are near each other such as Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Dallas, Seattle and so on.

And until the Wolves are competitive, we don't really need to worry about the 5,000 fans that may be at that game.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 256

WOW 2 in a row and a sweep in the windy city! Mad Crapper made it interesting in the 9th!

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:42 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 257

Capps is making me forget all the years of Nathan heart attacks.

Would it kill the Twins not to bring it down to the bottom of the 9th, 2 out, 3-2, up by 1 for once? Torture watching these games on ESPN game tracker away from my TV.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:46 PM by eskerber Highlight this comment 258

^^^^ forgot to add with men on.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:47 PM by eskerber Highlight this comment 259

Yep do not want to hit a guy with a runner on 1st and a 1-2 count! FCOL! But hey it all turned out!

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:49 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 260

So far this season, any win is a good win.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:11 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 261

Two Twins in the lineup today batting over .230 compared to seven White Sox.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:20 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 262

Maybe the Twins should play all 2-game series this year. The Twins are 5-1 in 2 game series, whether scheduled or rain shortened.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:31 PM by tk Highlight this comment 263

A win is a win is a win as Gertrude Stein might have put it, but Twins hitting remains painful to watch. 1 = the total number of Twins runs in the series driven in by someone not named Kubel.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:49 PM by terry Highlight this comment 264

who is replacing Holm?

they obviously can't go to Boston with one catcher.

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 7:08 PM by mj Highlight this comment 265

Anyone else get one of these?:

The Minnesota Twins Season Ticket Holder Advisory Council is made up of a small group of new and long time Season Ticket Holders from a cross-section of ticket plans who are asked questions several times throughout the year about their experiences as a Season Ticket Holder. Your thoughts and opinions can help shape the kinds of things we do for Season Ticket Holders throughout Twins Territory, now, and in the future.

As a member of the Advisory Council, you will be invited to four group meetings at Target Field during the year. The first Advisory Council meeting will take place on the evening of Wednesday, June 8th. We will also occasionally send you short online surveys for you to provide us feedback on various elements regarding your experience as a Season Ticket Holder. To recognize your participation as an Advisory Council member, you'll enjoy special benefits and rewards throughout the year.

If this sounds like something you'd be able to do, then we will consider you for selection. Please answer a few questions by clicking on the questionnaire button below. Members of the Advisory Council will be selected randomly from all registrations received by Friday, May 20, 2011. If you are selected to join the Advisory Council for the 2011 Season, you will be contacted by your Twins Ticket Sales & Service Representative. Only a small number of Season Ticket Holders will be selected for the Advisory Council. Thank you for your interest and good luck!

Posted on May 4, 2011 at 11:19 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 266

yes, I got that email.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:08 AM by mj Highlight this comment 267

Yep I got it too.......and all this two game winning streak means is they acutally ran into a team that sucks more than they do! I will reserve judgment until we actually face some good teams again. I will be happy with winning one game in Bawwwston!

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:16 AM by antifire Highlight this comment 268

I did too, Ben. Guess I don't feel so special now. :(

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:30 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 269

I did not get it :) oh well...

One thing I don't miss about last year is our awful % of hits when the bases are loaded.

Btw, how many times have the Twins had the bases juiced?

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 01:50 AM by tk Highlight this comment 270

Good thing we have a day off today. Like my dad says, tomorrow starts a four game losing streak. We're playing on the road against an AL East team.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 07:38 AM by luke Highlight this comment 271

mj-
They said it will be either Danny Lehmann or Rene Rivera. They didn't think Holm was cutting it because he couldn't hit and because he wasn't great at D either.

tk-
They were pretty bad with bases loaded for a little while last year, but it all came together after a few months. They hit .320/.339/.503 with bases loaded last year. By the time the year was over, they were better with the bases loaded than any other situation.

This year they are hitting .467/.471/.533 with the bases loaded (17 plate appearances). The only other situation they are good at this year is a man on third with less than two outs (.370/.393/.478). They suck at everything else.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 07:56 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 272

Anyone going to bite on that ST Adviser deal? You gotta figure they are up to something that benefits only themselves.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 08:02 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 273

Yes got the e-mail, but not gonna bite!

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 08:16 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 274

Why not, Twink? I'm not a season ticket holder, but I think it would be fun and interesting to get a little more 'inside information'.

And who knows? Maybe the Twins would actually listen to their ticket holders!

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 08:36 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 275

And maybe the astronauts are landing on Pluto as we speak.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 09:09 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 276

I believe the Germans invented the word Schadenfreude for me and how I feel watching the White Sox struggle.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 09:12 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 277

Listening to 1500 this morning, they were talking about the potential for Rivera being called up to replace Holm:

"Nothing strikes more fear into the hearts of other American League teams than a roster with two Renes on it."

As for the "Advisory Council", it sounds pretty much like a focus group process. Not a bad idea, but it has some real Festivus potential (the annual "airing of grievances").

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 09:42 AM by Rick 278

I stand corrected on the STH e-mail, I have a pretty good junk filter.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:20 AM by tk Highlight this comment 279

Not sure I would have much to say to them other than lower the beer prices by about $5.00 and play more organ music and lower the food prices also. Course I smuggle my rum in and bring in the 2 fer $2.00 holiday dogs along with my free parking! I doubt they will value my opinion much! Not a big spender @ TF!

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:27 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 280

TC GroundsCrew Tweet this morning: "The batters eye is being angled downward to reduce glare."

That should push Butera well into the .220s

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:42 AM by ew Highlight this comment 281

I don't know what is higher, my BAC at a Twins game or Butera's batting average?

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:49 AM by tk Highlight this comment 282

Some vegetation would also cut down that glare. Spruces, for example.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:13 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 283

Clearly there is only one solution which will work out there: a black hole (from which nothing -- not even light -- can escape).

That should also help home run production at Target Field, as every ball hit will be a homer to straightaway center. (They'll need a switch to turn it off when the visiting team hits.)

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:23 AM by Rick 284

In case anyone is interested, a new slide show is available at Ballpark Authority website. Click my name for the pictures.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 285

Rick's last comments (284) remind me a little of Billy Martin's paranoia when the Metrodome first opened and someone told him they could reverse the air flow through those big, round vents behind the plate.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 286

Where is this "glare" coming from? The entire month of April was essentially overcast and rainy/drury for the few home games that were played.

It was sunny on Friday, April 8 (Twins win) and Easter Sunday (Twins win)

The excuses, excuses, and excuses continue for this team of whiners and babies....

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 287

TF batter's eye adjustments not unprecedented . . .

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:41 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 288

the advisory counsel does have good Festivus potential...

along with the "airing of grieviences"...

they should have a contest, where anyone who can pin Bill Smith gets to sign 1 free agent of their choice next offseason.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:42 PM by mj Highlight this comment 289

obviously a boring day, when no one has anything to say since 1:42 this afternoon.

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 9:55 PM by luke Highlight this comment 290

How's this:

What's the over-under on the Red Wings acquiring Jose Reyes in June?

As the professor said: it's a boring day. I can dream can't I?

Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:36 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 291

I always go back to previous posts on this blog, and I ran into the one from 2008 (Wanna Play Hooky? - click my name) that had an interesting conceptual map on it.

It seemed to place the Vikings stadium directly behind TF - I'm thinking they would have bombed the HERC plant to make room...why isn't that a viable option anymore?

I certainly hope the notation "retractable roof" meant for the Vikings stadium

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 06:57 AM by luke Highlight this comment 292

City Pages talked to Twins VP of Marketing Patrick Klinger about the change in music directors. The team line is that they wanted to 'add another character to their game day cast' in addition to Sue Nelson, organist, and Jim Cunningham, the gameday 'host.'

The new guy has let a couple songs recorded before 2008 slip through. Maybe there's hope. But he's still no Kevin Dutcher, unfortunately. And not much of a character, either.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 06:59 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 293

Well, no need to worry about whether it'll be the Dome, Farmers Market or Mary's Place. Star Tribune said this morning that Hennipen commissioner Mike Opat says that his county doesn't want the stadium.

Arden hills it is I guess.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 08:15 AM by luke Highlight this comment 294

RE: Reyes -

Anything's possible, but don't see that happening without giving up Gibson. Don't think the Twins will (or should) pull that trigger.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 08:32 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 295

Watched the Thome walkoff vs the Sox on FSN last night! Boy our middle infield looked much better with T Hud and Hardy. The Mad Crapper and Herman Munster both blowing leads in that crazy game. Was nice to see the pine trees again! But don't miss the goofy looking crass cut! Only thing missing was the Hawk call on that walkoff. Just silence for a minute then a mumbling soft "and we will be right back" LOL!

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 08:39 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 296

According to the Pioneer Press, the Vikings and Ramsey County are "very, very close" to an agreement to build the new stadium in Arden Hills....

Personally, I like this site over the two downtown locations. Football is not an "urban" game like baseball is. I like the idea of a big football stadium plunked in the middle of a large parking lot that allows for everyone to tailgate. Anyone who has been to stadiums like Arrowhead or Lambuea would probably agree.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 08:45 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 297

Ooops....forgot the link. Clink on my name.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 08:46 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 298

Although I see JJ and T Hud both on the disabled lists!

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 09:27 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 299

Oh, ye who think current site speculation means anything:

Crane your necks backward toward those heady days of 2004, when the Rapid Park site was on the radar, but still considered a dark horse. In fact, it looked in those far-gone days of yesteryear like the Twins were just about to make a deal with St. Paul.

Hard to remember now, I know.

The Vikings may want to make a deal with Arden Hills at the moment, but it's becoming more and more clear what a mistake that would be in the long term. I invite you to imagine the long lines of gas-powered vehicles sitting on the freeway in every direction trying to take the single exit available to them into such a complex.

The legislature has yet to weigh in, and they will likely be making this decision, just as they did for the Twins -- unless, that is, the Vikes have decided to pay for the whole thing themselves.

(Sound of uncontrollable laughter followed by clunk of me falling off my chair.)

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 11:09 AM by Rick 300

Rick - what makes you think there would be just "one exit"? Any agreement would include money to fix the transportation issues surrounding that site. With regards to "gas-powered" vehicles....not sure why this would be a concern. We're talking about 10-12 games a year!!! I don't see why LRT would (or should) factor into this equation.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 301

One can't help but notice that the "best team in baseball" has an all-Cabrera middle infield which features another Twins cast-off...

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 11:13 AM by Rick 302

Fred,

I'm just trying to think like A) a traffic engineer, B) an urban planner, and C) a legislator.

It's not about trains, per se, but all infrastructure combined. In Arden Hills, it would have to be created (expensive). And while you can certainly build two entrance ramps from southbound 35W into the site, it will not change the fact that on game day, traffic will stretch for miles up that freeway trying to get into them.

Right there you have the biggest advantage of the downtowns. No matter how you measure it, they are easier to get into and out of.

Remember, I don't actually care where the Vikings stadium goes. I'll probably never go to it, at least not on a game day. I'd actually prefer it as far out of my way as possible, and Arden Hills fits that bill nicely.

But after watching the Twins process (and similar situations elsewhere), it's pretty easy to spot what the various constituencies will be looking for. I can imagine the Vikes making that mistake, but I can't yet imagine the various units of government (who will be paying for it, and need to leverage money already spent) allowing them to make it.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 11:24 AM by Rick 303

I live approx 1.5 miles from the Arden Hills site so I know the area pretty well. 35W wouldn't be the only way to access that property. You also have Cty 10, which runs east/west bringing in the fans from the east metro. Knowing that, they could build the entrance ramps to a new stadium on the west side (35W) as well as entrance(s) from the south side (Cty 10)....and for those that prefer public transportation, there would be plenty of bus options on game days, my bet.

I love the fact that Target Field is downtown, but on the flip side, I'm a Vikings season ticket holder and love to tailgate. A stadium downtown doesn't really allow for that.

Of course, this is all academic at the moment..

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 11:32 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 304

Remember, I don't actually care where the Vikings stadium goes. I'll probably never go to it, at least not on a game day. I'd actually prefer it as far out of my way as possible, and Arden Hills fits that bill nicely.

I was going to inquire as to whether you planned a "StadiumMagic" site once construction starts, but I think you answered my question.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 11:49 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 305

If they build it near TF, I'll certainly follow the construction (and have pictures here).

But, as I've said before, I don't find football stadiums to be nearly as interesting. No matter how you configure the stands, the playing field is still a big rectangle, identical in every single facility. What's missing is that close interaction between the facility and the game that you get with baseball.

Of course, as we know by the home run tally at TF, that can be a bad thing. I just find it more interesting.

My goal in creating this site was to have a forum which would help the Twins make good decisions in the design and building of TF. I think that was accomplished (though there's still work to do on that as upgrades are considered).

I'm not sure what that would mean in the context of a Vikings stadium. Unlike a baseball facility, which must breathe with its community over the course of 81+ games in the warmer months, football facilities are much more insular. They come to life only once every other week (on average) during the cold months. Keeping the weather out is actually a reasonable goal. Connections to the city on a Sunday afternoon mean something completely different from, say, a Tuesday night or Thursday afternoon.

Where a baseball facility is a city's back yard, a football facility is its rec room. These serve very different functions.

I've always thought that Met Stadium was a pretty terrible football facility, and the Metrodome a pretty good football facility. When you think about the Dome in the context of football, the lack of a neighborhood surrounding it isn't that big a problem, and the roof is a Good Thing. Even closed concourses aren't the same issue for football that they are for baseball.

Maybe we could help the Vikes somehow, I'm just not sure that they would even care (or need to).

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 12:25 PM by Rick 306

I just read today's Kevin Duchschere article in the Strib. Here's the lead:

"Hennepin County took itself out of the running on Thursday as a potential funding partner for a new Vikings stadium, a decision that appears to narrow the list of possible locations to Minneapolis' Metrodome and the former munitions plant site in Arden Hills."

This paragraph shows either a serious naivete of how this game works, or a willful attempt to shift momentum toward a site which would benefit the company which published it.

Opat didn't take the county out of anything. In fact, he made a shrewd tactical move which will ensure that Hennepin County stays in the mix despite a lack of enthusiasm from the Vikings (who really don't know what's good for them).

My sense right now is that this process is about where the Twins were in 2005, a full year before the final deal was cut. On the other hand, I'm remembering that the Hennepin County sales tax idea didn't hit anybody's radar in 2006 until about a month before the bill was signed.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 12:43 PM by Rick 307

Rick-

Downtown Minneapolis is a cluster, especially Washington Ave. after a Vikings game, it was after Twins games at the Dome aswell. It has been better with Target field because, at least in my case, people stop out after the game and dont go directly home.

Personally I think cramming the Vikings stadium behind Target Field would be a mistake. Not to mention what would happen on the eventual day that both the Twins and Viking play, talk about a traffic nightmare.

I would still love to see the stadium in a site no one besides me has mentioned. Put it in the lowertown flats in St. Paul. Already tons of parking, 3 major freeways, and it would only require moving some train tracks and eliminating the Kellogg st bridge, which is lightly used anyway. The stadium would be on the river like everyone wanted Target Field to be.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 1:10 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 308

I don't think naivety really has anything to do with it. I think Opat knows that, in this current economic climate, there is no way he and the rest of the commission could impose ANOTHER tax increase on Hennepin County residents and still keep his position. It would be political suicide, IMO. They helped out with the Twins, and that's probably as far as they are willing to go.

Now, it's either Minneapolis or Ramsey County. Rybak hasn't shown much leadership in this matter....Ramsey County is the only locality that has shown any willingness, other than Anoka County a few years back. But, really, did anyone really think that was going to get done? Sure, the proposed Blaine site was roughly 5 miles north of the Arden Hills site, but it may have well been 100 miles north. There were so many local pitfalls with making that site work that many knew it would never come to fruition. You had to deal with filling in wetlands, buying large tracts of land from private owners who wanted nothing to do with selling, and the transportation issues....for those of you who think there are infrastructure needs around the Arden Hills site, the Blaine site was WAY worse in that regard.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 1:16 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 309

"there is no way he and the rest of the commission could impose ANOTHER tax increase on Hennepin County residents and still keep his position. It would be political suicide"

That's exactly what everyone said with the Twins sales tax. Every commissioner who voted for that tax retained his seat in the next election, as did most at the Capitol who supported the Twins bill.

Economic times may change, but the short memory of the public is forever.

To their credit, the Ramsey County folks seem to understand this principle and do not appear afraid of what they would have to do financially to land the Vikings.

As for what Opat knows... He knows that he cannot lose by writing a letter like the one he wrote. If Hennepin ultimately gets the stadium, he did the right thing. If it does not, he did the right thing. Perfectly played.

He also knows that the business community is massively behind the Farmer's Market site, that the city of Minneapolis is completely impotent on the matter despite their talk, and that he doesn't have to stick his neck out nearly as far as he did with the Twins to make this happen.

He also knows that he doesn't have to worry too much about what the Vikings want. As long as they are not willing to pay for the whole thing, what they get will be determined by other forces.

He's in a pretty good spot right now.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 1:37 PM by Rick 310

I hear what you're saying...but just because they dodged a bullet and got it done for the Twins ballpark, doesn't mean they'll risk getting burned again.

Also, the Twins ballpark agreement came in 2006 - just before the recession hit. My bet is that it would've been MUCH tougher to get that same agreement a year or two later with all the massive layoffs and foreclosures going on. Now that worst of the recession is over, does it mean that Hennepin Cty would take another whack at it?.....I think it's doubtful. People are still hurting. I'm not sure Opat and his gang have enough political capital left in their collective bag to do it again.

Personally, I hate the farmer's market site for football. I've never like the Dome site, either.

Give me a few square miles of open land to build a stadium and surround it with plenty of parking for tailgaters (a revenue source Wilf probably couldn't get downtown) and I'll be happy.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 1:49 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 311

it comes down to cost. the problem with that suburban site is how ugly it looks in any cost comparison. state would have to outlay hundreds of millions just to build access to that site, no matter any "deal" the vikings strike with ramsey county. the funding scenario for a vikings stadium deal is very different than what the twins presented 5 years ago. it's a three party deal and state will have to spend it's own money. this road building obviously isn't required at the dome site. also ramsey county is looking a half-cent sales tax vs. the .15 tax hennepin county commissioners approved. the two situations are apples and oranges. i could see a backlash politically for those ramsey county board members just based on the numbers. and as was mentioned, the economy ain't what it was back in '06. the twins were fortunate the bill was approved that legislative session. a couple hundred million more for the pleasure of tailgating in a large parking lot 8 times a year? i don't see it but stranger things have happened.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM by tim Highlight this comment 312

Football stadiums, by their very nature, are uglier than ballparks. They are meant to be imposing, not intiment. This topic reminds me of the George Carlin classic where he details the differences between football and baseball. :-)

I'm reading that the cost of upgrading the transportation infrastructure is closer to $100 million, instead of the $200+ million figure that was thrown out there before. The improvements will need to be made regardless of whether or not a new stadium is built....(anyone who travels that strech of highway on a daily basis already knows this to be true).

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 2:35 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 313

A suburban site with a domed stadium is going to cost a lot of money for infrastructure. That alone is going to be a very tough selling point.

Also, a domed stadium in the middle of nowhere is not going to be as intriguing as a domed stadium in an urban area when it comes to potential Final Fours, NCAA regionals, political conventions, and a possible Super Bowl to name a few.

Those selection committees are going to select cities with the venues in urban settings and not out in the middle of nowhere.

An urban setting will provide you with light rail/mass transit access, shopping, restaurants and easy freeway accesss.

Also, who says there will be any future development around a potential suburban Vikings stadium? There are no guarantees for future developlment, especially considering you would only see 10-12 "major" events each year at the stadium.

If I was an investor, I would much rather invest in property in an urban setting. If you owned some property in Arden Hills near the new Vikings stadium, you would only bring in big business those 10-12 days each year, the other 355 days you more than likely would not be very busy.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 314

Other than rollerblading and golf shows.....how busy is the Metrodome 355 days a year???

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 3:04 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 315

Unless there is an election within 30 days, or the Vikings disappear to Los Angeles, there will be absolutely no political fallout from any of the decisions which are made now. Zip. Zero. None. That's just how things work.

I won't deny that the economy should be a factor in this decision-making, but likely it will not. Even 10 cents on a $20 purchase (for the Twins it's 3 cents) won't hurt anyone economically. No one will notice. No one will care. Oh, some will fight the idea of any sort of tax -- for anything, not just a stadium, though a stadium chafes some people more than others -- but the reality is that taxes spread the burden and solve "problems" like this. When needed, they get used.

Next, whether it's $500 million or $1.5 billion, the numbers hardly matter beyond making sure they add up. These government entities deal with numbers this size all day every day. To those of us who don't, it may seem like a lot of money, but it's not. Not by a long shot.

Finally, do not underestimate the power of the business leaders in Minneapolis. They all lined up at the right moment behind the Target Field site, despite its cost and disadvantages. If they line up behind something, it will happen, and nothing can stop it.

Right now, they are firmly lined up behind the Farmer's Market site and the idea of a sports district (Lambrecht's study calls it a "sports corridor") on the edge of downtown Minneapolis. That could change, of course, but they will never line up behind something outside the Minneapolis city limits. That would have to happen over their objections.

Stranger things have happened, but if I were a betting man, I'd put all my money on the Farmer's Market.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 3:34 PM by Rick 316

I will save my opinion on the Arden Hills site until after I hear what Ziggy plans on doing with the surrounding acreage.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 3:35 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 317

The urban/rural setting argument for a stadium impacting the decision for a Super Bowl/Final Four/etc. is absurd. The event will go where the money is, whether downtown or in St. Cloud.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 3:40 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 318

I disagree Bad...especially when it comes to the Final Four. I think in all the years the Pontiac Silverdome was in existence, which is about 40 minutes outside downtown Detroit - the Final Four was never there. Once the downtown stadium opened, the Final Four was there within four years. Incidentally, Glendale, which has a suburban stadium, got the cold shoulder from the NCAA when they awarded the 2012-2016 Final Fours.

And, given the complaints about Jerry Jones' Gigantic Ecumenical Temple of Football Worship (which is in a distant suburb of Dallas) hosting the Super Bowl this year, I think the writing is on the wall for suburban Super Bowls as well. Many of the complaints, aside from the weather and the bad seating, were focused on the fact that the stadium was so far from all the corresponding Super Bowl events.

Bottom line - downtown works best when you're trying to attract big-name events. Nobody wants to go to friggin' St Cloud for the Super Bowl. Trust me.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 4:22 PM by luke Highlight this comment 319

I still wonder if anyone is looking at the old Unisys site. (linky)

In the space between the golf course and the railroad tracks, there are only a couple businesses operating. The site has a nice view of downtown Minneapolis, and isn't far from TCF Bank Stadium if there was ever a large enough event that they would need a 'staging' space.

Close to 35W, Highways 36 & 280, and at least as large as the farmer's market space.

Although I'm not sure the NFL would want to be a half mile from a petroleum storage facility...

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 320

I dont think the NFL is interested in awarding a Super Bowl to a city north of the Mason-Dixon line not in the New York metro area ever again. Its become too much of a "warm weather/exotic location" event. Final Four? Blah......how many Final Fours did the Dome host? One? And that was 20 years ago. Hosting an event one time isnt worth putting a football stadium downtown where it doesnt belong.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM by fred Highlight this comment 321

Welcome home Plouffe! Where the F### have you been!!!

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM by TK Highlight this comment 322

Welcome back Revere! Where THE f### have you been! Now we need the Red Wings catcher....

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM by tk Highlight this comment 323

Bases loaded
No outs
Butera

... heart sinks.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM by eskerber Highlight this comment 324

the Red Sox "alternative" home uniforms suck.

it's like the Yankees not wearing the pinstripes at home.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 7:09 PM by mj Highlight this comment 325

fred - actually, the Dome hosted two Final Fours: 1992 and 2001.

I do wonder, whether the Twin Cities would even get any regular consideration for a Final Four, even if we do get a new place. However, Indy's new place has impressed the NCAA so much, that Indy gets a Final Four like every five years - no questions asked. But, its Indy - Indy and basketball go hand-in-hand.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 7:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 326

And the NCAA headquarters have been there for a few years now after leaving Overland Park, KS.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 9:16 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 327

Yeah, that's true as well. I forgot about that.

Hey, a 9-2 win over an AL East opponent...on the road.
Nice start to a four-game set.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 9:45 PM by luke Highlight this comment 328

how many games will the Red Sox manager be suspended?

You cannot...

1. argue a balk.

2. continue to argue for over a minute after being ejected.

3. make contact with an umpire who's trying to keep you away from the ump who ejected you.

Posted on May 6, 2011 at 10:00 PM by mj Highlight this comment 329

Tigers lost...

Royals lost...

Indians lost...

White Sox lost...

Twins won.

And today... (yesterday) I didn't even have to use my AK...

Today was a good day.

(The Lakers didn't beat the Supersonics... they went down 3-0 against the Mavs.)

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 12:43 AM by mj Highlight this comment 330

Quick question about scoring a walk-off win. If a team hits a Grand Slam, they score it as 4 runs and a win.

If a player hits a ground rule double, it is recorded as a single and only 1 RBI for the win. This is how it was done for Hunter in the win over the Indians. I am just curious as to why this is the case? Is it because they assume it would not have been a ground rule double if the outfield was played at normal depth?

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 12:58 AM by TK Highlight this comment 331

they made that rule to screw over your fantasy baseball team.

I don't know... in that situation, once it's a hit... no one is trying anymore?

Defensive indifference?

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 01:13 AM by mj Highlight this comment 332

I get your point... but it would be useless to make a diving catch on the warning track... and then lay there in pain while the guy on 3rd tagged and walked home.

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 01:25 AM by mj Highlight this comment 333

The game is over when the winning run crosses the plate except in the case of a HR assuming the hitter comes all the way around.

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 08:48 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 334

In the days before Babe Ruth changed the game, even a home run would be scored on the basis of where the winning run was before the hit, i.e. if on 3d, the batter would be credited with a single, if on 2d a double, etc. When the home run statistic became such a major focus, the rule was changed.

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM by terry Highlight this comment 335

Yeah. They don't want to deprive the hitter of a HR - although hitters sometimes deprive themselves by not coming all the way around (celebrating instead or getting mobbed by teammates and not touching home).

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 10:44 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 336

No Butera!
No Casilla!
We're scoring 12 today!

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM by eskerber Highlight this comment 337

the Sox don't run out ground balls...

there should never be a case where a double play is turned, and the guy who hit into it is out by 20 feet at first. That just happened.

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 3:34 PM by mj Highlight this comment 338

for as good as Youkilis is...

I think we could all agree... if you were teaching a kid how to hit...

the best advice would be "don't do anything he does in the batters box"

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM by mj Highlight this comment 339

Re: Youkilis.... For all the weird stuff he does pre-pitch, he gets into good hitting position. He drops his hands down and lines up in a pretty neutral, balanced stance.

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 6:39 PM by br Highlight this comment 340

mj - the Supersonics no longer exist. They are located in Oklahoma City now and they're called the Thunder. They play at the 10-year-old Ford Center (not to be confused with the Ford Centre across from TF).

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 9:32 PM by luke Highlight this comment 341

They play at the 10-year-old Ford Center (not to be confused with the Ford Centre across from TF).

...um...not to be confused with "Ford Center", which is the new name for the building across the street from Targette Fielde.

Posted on May 7, 2011 at 11:32 PM by Rick 342

Even the Star Tribune article linked to my name used the European spelling - including the headline.

Incidentally, I use "colour" a lot too...lol.

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 08:16 AM by luke Highlight this comment 343

That article didn't mention a name change...unless I'm missing something.

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 08:18 AM by luke Highlight this comment 344

The long winding mystery of Luke's bizarre posts has been solved.

He's a CANADIEN!! Deport him...

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 11:56 AM by Max Highlight this comment 345

Oh Dick, "Man U, Manchester University, for those that do not know. Including me" about 30 seconds later, "Did I say Manchester University?"

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:08 PM by TK Highlight this comment 346

Obvious statement of the day: I believe when Nishioka returns from injury, the Alexi Casilla experiment is over.

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:51 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 347

Did you mean a "Canadian" Max? The "Canadiens" are a hockey team in Montreal.
And, lots of blokes use European spellings, mate. Not just the Canucks (also a hockey team).

But, for the record, I am not Canadian, or British or Australian. I'm a cold-blooded American 100%!

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 348

Ramsey County has Mpls and Rybak on their heels. They are now being forced to reconsider using money available after the convention center is paid for. They initially did not want to do this.

From a tailgating standpoint the Arden Hills loction is excellent and Fred is correct, the estimate for infrastructure improvements is close to $100M.

However I do worry about the location not being receptive to big name events because of the location. I also believe the Vikings would really like the space next to the Metrodome; allowing them to play at the Dome and not at the U for three years (major revenue loss).

The Farmers Market location is not an option anymore and frankly I never saw it as a strong candidate. If you're a politician are you really going to support the moving of Mary's Place and other businesses?

Prediction: goes to Arden Hills unless Minneapolis gets last look and decides to use the convention center money.

K

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:06 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 349

The announcers said they hope Ploufe's injury is merely a cramp. As Ed Harris said in "Apollo XIII" - "only if their luck changes".

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:20 PM by terry Highlight this comment 350

Rare footage of luke's latest lounge act... clicky...

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 5:28 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 351

Schweay, your mom is funny in that video.

If I had a club act, it'd be this one: clicky.

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 6:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 352

Both exapmles are wastes of the possibilities of YouTube. This is what Youtube was truly meant for! Clicky, as they say.

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 9:06 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 353

FOX 9 just broke some news that the City of Minneapolis is expected to announce plans tomorrow afternoon that will help finance a new Vikings stadium and Target Center renovations.

The Vikings stadium would be built at the Metrodome site.

stay tuned tomorrow...

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 9:30 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 354

Charles Manson est un Canadien?!?

Really, luke, bone up on your French so you can start to get the jokes around here.

(The really, really deeply hidden humor is that 'Canadienne' is a line of Canadian dairy cattle. From Canada. Raised by Canadians. or possibly French Canadiens.)

Posted on May 8, 2011 at 10:13 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 355

As I am looking at finalizing plans to go to KC in June, I came across something at the K that I wish the Twins would do:

Stadium Tour:

"The Early Bird"

GAME TOUR - This one hour tour gets you inside The K before the gates open to the public for a front row seat to watch Royals batting practice. Early Bird is also a private guided tour of the Royals Hall of Fame and participants receive their own set of "Official Game Notes."

Prices
Adults: $10
Seniors (55 & up): $10
Children (4-12): $10

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM by tk Highlight this comment 356

I know the Twins have a "game-day experience" for $40/person, I think this is a bit steep and it does not appear to have the emphasis specifically to watch BP

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM by tk Highlight this comment 357

Sorry, "Pregame experience"

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM by tk Highlight this comment 358

Why not just say: Price - $10?

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 06:59 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 359

Sorry Ben, it was a copy/paste

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 11:08 AM by tk Highlight this comment 360

So --- that's the way the team listed the prices? Why not add a few more categories:?

People with freckles - $10
People wearing team merchandise - $10
Etc.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 1:13 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 361

"On a chilly night at Chicago's U.S. Cellular Field, Francisco Liriano crafted the first no-hitter of 2011, beating the White Sox, 1-0.

As the Twins return to Target Field tomorrow, lefty pitcher Francisco Liriano will aim to start off the upcoming homestand with a bang. Coming off his first career no-hitter and complete game against the White Sox, Liriano is looking to build off his big outing."

I wonder how many years of spin they plan to milk out of Liriano's fluke?

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 362

The Twins aren't worth mentioning, so how about a new Vikings stadium? Click my name for a new rendering.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 363

The Minneapolis plan (being announced now) reuses 30-40% of the existing Metrodome. it also would require a lifting of the $10 million stadium cap that was enacted in 1997.

Prognosis: Negative!

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:22 PM by Rick 364

After looking at this, it's clear that if a deal gets done this year, the Vikes will go to Ramsey.

I still think they are a year away, and it will go to the Farmer's Market.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:25 PM by Rick 365

I'm further convinced that this whole episode with Minneapolis is about looking like you're doing something, rather than actually doing something.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:29 PM by Rick 366

It's those damn horizontal, wooden louvers again! I'm thinking of gluing some to my VW.

Wooden louvers are hot right now.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 367

Twins on the "national broadcast" (ESPN) tonight. Think that will light a fire under them?

Next game for me is next Monday against the Mariners. I'll see if I can continue my 2011 streak of attending Twins' wins, currently I'm 2 for 2.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:18 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 368

I'm thinking the BoSox will show the Rochester Twins another beating tonight! I will get another live game tommorow vs Det. Will the streak run to 0-3 @ TF? Well at least it will be 80 out!

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:27 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 369

I listened to Lester Bagley from the Vikings on the radio after the press conference and he trashed the Minneapolis proposal. Said that Rybak basically lied when he said the Vikings were on board with it. Bagley said the Vikings were never involved with this specific proposal and probably would never agree to it.

I agree with Rick, if the bill gets approved this year, then the stadium will be built in Arden Hills....which I'm hoping for.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:49 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 370

Hard to believe we have only played 10 home games so far.Fewest in the majors. Last year we had 16 in the books by game #32.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:07 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 371

Makes no sence to build it at the current metrodome dump site for sure. Is Huberts still there even? LOL!

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:09 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 372

Good to see a proposal but is there anyway the Vikings would agree to pay 45% of the cost? Also, if they are reusing that much of the Dome how in the hell can it still cost $895 million?

Rick - since you said no-go on this one and you've said that business leaders are pushing for the Farmer's Market site, any idea as to what their opinion would be of this proposal? And if it's apparent that the leaders want the Farmer's Market site, why wouldn't Minneapolis propose something for that site instead of messing around with the Dome?

Personally I'm not invested in this stadium like I was with the Twins (writing legislators, going to hearings, refreshing the Greet Machine every 15 minutes) but if it does happen, I would prefer the Farmer's Market site.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:09 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 373

Oh great, they're re-using a good chunk of a stadium everybody is trying to forget about. Let me guess: they're going to re-use all the seats from the Dome??

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:17 PM by luke Highlight this comment 374

The Mpls business leaders will see today's proposal for what it is: a kind of sad attempt to look relevant.

Rybak will have made a few political points by looking (for a moment) like a potential tax-cutter. But the barriers to doing anything like what he proposed are laughably high. The whole thing is so blatantly transparent that you wonder if he really thought he could fool anyone for even a moment. Even the Strib, which has a vested interest in the project, couldn't pretend there was even a tiny chance of this happening.

I think that Opat sniffed out that conditions at the Capitol are not ripe yet. Ramsey will now get a chance to throw a Hail Mary.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM by Rick 375

Everything I am reading the Wilf's like the Arden Hills site cause they can develop that huge parcel of land the way they have in the past and bring in alot more revenue with parking all around it.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 376

Not more than 1 minute into the broadcast, the ESPN commentators are talking about the potential for Beckett to pitch a no-no...

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM by TK Highlight this comment 377

LOL...that's rich.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 6:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 378

The Minneapolis proposal is a complete joke. Rick is exactly right. This is a photo-op for Rybak and Johnson to make it look like they gave a damn when they lost the Vikings to Ramsey County. Dig out your old hibachis....We'll be tailgating in a huuuuge parking lot like we loved doing 30 years ago!!

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:04 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 379

I hate National analyst. Talk shop when the weak team is batting, not even mention the Hughes base hit and continue talking about basketball...

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:33 PM by TK Highlight this comment 380

on the Saturday broadcast... they showed Punto scoring a run for the Cards, and said "he signed for $475,000, I bet the Twins wish they had him now!"

Um... no... because it would have cost the Twins 6 million if they kept his sorry ass.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 7:51 PM by mj Highlight this comment 381

It's hard to believe that its a legitimate bid...seeing as Opat the Spat said that Hennipen County wasn't going to go after the Vikings. Last I checked, Minneapolis is smack dab in the middle of the county.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 382

It's amazing what happens when you spend 20 hours playing hotbox and it eventually pays off in a critical situation. I had the runner at 3rd in my mind when that run down started.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:15 PM by TK Highlight this comment 383

Have to say I'm pretty disappointed in Minneapolis' effort for a Dome replacement. It clearly shows that the plan was done in haste. However, Rybak is correct when he says "it's a game changer."

He's right because as it stands now the stadium is Ramsey County's to lose.

Too bad Rybak is against the Block E casino idea. You take just $8M a year from the casino for 30 years and that's $240M. Add in hotel and car rental taxes (which primarily hit people who don't live here) and that's additional funding.

The convention center money can then be applied to the Target Center renovation.

K

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:26 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 384

Extra innings, tied 1-1. Runners on 1st and 2nd with one out. The # 2 and 3 hitters coming to the plate. Who are they?

Matt Tolbert and Alexi Casilla.

Inning over.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:34 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 385

Why is everybody so against the Block E casino idea? I just don't get it...what is so out of order with the expansion of state-run gambling?

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 386

The Strib isn't reporting this yet, but the Vikings posted a terse statement this afternoon in response to the Minneapolis proposal:

Eden Prairie, MN (May 9, 2011) – The Minnesota Vikings appreciate Hennepin County, the City of Minneapolis and Ramsey County for their participation in serious discussions regarding a new stadium for the team, our fans and the State of Minnesota over the last several months.

Today the Vikings want to thank the City of Minneapolis for bringing forward a proposal to replace the Metrodome. Team officials first saw a broad outline of this plan late last week. The Vikings were not involved in developing the specifics of this proposal and have not agreed to any of the financing elements. While we have concerns about provisions within the City’s proposal, the team will examine it in further detail and respond accordingly.

In other words, "Hey, this wasn't our idea, and we don't like it, but... Ah, hell. We hate it, and it'll never happen."

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:43 PM by Rick 387

With all the pinch runners, the longer this game goes on, the lower the line-up's collective batting average is getting (which is hard to do).

Has Liddle forgotten that you actually need hits before you can worry about the speed of your runners?

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 9:51 PM by Rick 388

If you've seen the movie "The Bad News Bears" you will know what I mean when I say there are way too many "Ogilvies" in the Twins batting order this year. Blackburn & Perkins looked good tonight but watching the Twins batters is yet again like watching paint dry.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 10:01 PM by terry Highlight this comment 389

Should have said Twins/Red Wings batters.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 10:02 PM by terry Highlight this comment 390

Pass the kool-aid, I've got my fingers crossed for the homestand. Hopefully a bit of the Target Field magic can help our guys win a few games.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 10:14 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 391

Arrived in Dallas yesterday to begin two weeks of corporate training. Drove down, so I stopped in K.C. for a Royals game on Saturday night. Some things I noted:

- they opened up the .390 Club to the general public. My guess is not enough season ticket holders were using it.

- on either side of the concourse is a Dugout Dog House. DELICIOUS. There are 8 differently dressed dogs, including one with nacho cheese, jalapenos, etc., a Hawaiian one with pineapple and teriyaki, a dog with bbq pork, slaw and pickles...... They all looked amazing; the one I had was delicious.

Will be heading over to Rangers Ballpark on Tuesday night for my second visit ever.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 10:16 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 392

I am going to change my tune and try to be more positive. The fact that Gardy has managed to win 12 games with this line up should qualify him for a 2nd straight Manager of the Year award.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 10:21 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 393

I had to laugh tonight when the analyst mentioned that Granderson and Bautista each had more HR's than the entire Boston outfield combined. Hell, they are one and two short of the entire Twins club.

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 11:01 PM by tk Highlight this comment 394

Thanks for letting us know what specifically brought you to Dallas for two weeks.

CoughPretentiousCough

Posted on May 9, 2011 at 11:38 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 395

The only reason Minneapolis stepped in the way they did was to coerce the Legislature into walking into a special session - which Dayton wouldn't mind - to get the stadium thing done. Minneapolis has no interest in it, Mike Opat said that Hennipen County wasn't interested.

So, it was mostly just a rouse to force a special session, just on the stadium issue. Bottom line: fixed-roof stadium, Arden Hills, 2014 opening, Vikings play at Dome until then.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 06:55 AM by luke Highlight this comment 396

luke,

I think the salient point here is that the city of Minneapolis essentially has no leverage whatsoever because of the 1997 charter amendment limiting the amount they can spend on sports facilities. Further, since it's a "weak Mayor" system (with most of the power vested in the City Council), Rybak -- even when he has an idea or a "plan" -- can't do much more than talk about it.

Now, talk can be powerful, but Rybak isn't exactly known as a font of inspiring speech. And in the realm of stadiums, the only language which matters is green.

What Rybak does get from such an event is a chance to stand in front of some cameras for half an hour, looking Mayorly, and maybe fool a few voters who don't follow these things very closely by looking like he's trying to do the right thing (which he may very well be trying to do). What we saw yesterday was primarily an out-of-season campaign photo op.

So, back to the reality of the situation...

I do believe that the Wilfs like Arden Hills. It's easy to see why. If you come from out of town, you'll pay to park in the Wilf Lot, stay in the Wilf Hotel, eat at the Wilf Restaurant, and buy tickets to the Wilf Vikings game at Wilf Stadium. What's not to like?

Yesterday's "plan" from Rybak essentially concedes the debate for this year to the suburban site. But all that means is that the Ramsey folks now have to put up or shut up. If they can get something together before the end of the session (possible, not likely), then there is a very slim chance that they'll slip through a crack in the process and get some sort of shot at landing the thing.

But that shot will likely come with conditions -- among them: a referendum in Ramsey County. Good luck with that.

(Do you remember the other Twins stadium bill which passed? It guaranteed a stadium in St. Paul -- if the team were sold and if it passed a referendum.)

Watch these things for a while and you can kind of sense the currents. Once the Farmer's Market site went public, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion. It's kind of a no-brainer. The only questions became when and where the money would come from.

An aside: A couple of years ago, I actually thought the HERC site would go to the Vikings. But that was before I learned a little more about the finances of that place. Now I think that, if it doesn't get overrun by transit infrastructure, it will be the site of the next Twins stadium, circa 2040.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 09:34 AM by Rick 397

Good thing Verlander won't face the Twins in these two games or he might get a 2nd straight no hitter.

I'll be there tomorrow, looking to go 2-0 at TF on the season.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 398

If the Vikings were so interested in the Arden Hills site, they would have committed to that site long ago.

Obviously, the Vikings want to get the best deal available and are using the Minneapolis/Arden Hills sites as leverage against one another. But it goes to show that even the Vikings themselves still are not sure what they want to do.

Just don't underestimate the power of the business leaders in Minneapolis. I would not be surprised one bit if the farmer's market site ends up being the site selected next year.

Just like Rick said, its very similar to where the Twins were in 2004-2005.

Apparently there is going to be some announcement from Arden Hills in the next day or so. Will be interesting what they come up with for a plan. At least one thing is becoming clear and that is the Vikings will be expected to pay for more than just the original 1/3 of the cost.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 10:28 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 399

2pm news conference scheduled to announce Vikings-Arden Hills stadium deal

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 12:05 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 400

Looks like Dayton is trying to put a halt to the Arden Hills site.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 12:11 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 401

Today's developments (so far) make it look even more like any bill passed this year will not actually result in a stadium.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 12:38 PM by Rick 402

Fellow BPMers, I'm looking for some advice/knowledge around parking for weekday Noon games. I have yet to figure out pricing for parking during weekday Noon games since most of my games are at night. I've found a nice parking spot for the night games, but parking is another adventure during the day. These are my questions...

Are there any ramps that have event parking during the day? If so, what are the rates?
What are the ABC ramp prices for weekday day games?
What is the gameday rate for the lightrail (I try to avoid the LRT due to the location and crowds, but if it is the best option, I might have to reconsider)?

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 1:01 PM by Tyler Highlight this comment 403

So, the last time the Twins played at home it snowed and there was a windchill in the 20's and now in the next homestand two weeks later the temps will be in the 80's and the heat index might approach 90.

I'm playing hooky from school and going to the game tomorrw - I feel like I'm one of my fourth graders instead of 38! Baseball has a way of doing that!

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 1:17 PM by ole Highlight this comment 404

Tyler,

Check out the Block E and Dayton's (er, Marshall Fi--er, Macy's) ramps. They are available for day games, and cost less (though I don't know exactly how much less this year) than the A, B, C alternatives. I've parked in both, and it was a fine experience. (Avoid the City Center ramp. It's way more expensive.)

I've also used the Downtown Library lot. After hours, it's dirt cheap, but I think it's also reasonable during the day.

I'll be at the game tomorrow afternoon, but I'll be arriving by streetcar--er, bus.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 1:25 PM by Rick 405

Tyler, depending on where he would be coming from, might also benefit from investigating the express buses from park & ride locations. We use the one at Hopkins Crossroads and 394 --- very slick!

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 1:32 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 406

Tyler-

There are a few surface lots near 2nd Ave N/2nd St N(one block north of Sexworld) that charge $5 every game. The lot on Washington/2nd Ave N charges $10+, and that's only a half a block from the $5 lots I mentioned. Uh, so don't go to that one.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 1:34 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 407

Tyler...
Most of the area N of Hennepin and Washington offers a good afternoon game parking spot. The ramp at 25 N 1st St has never been full and easy to get out after the game. Plenty of other surface lots in that area off of 1st and 2nd Sts N, too. I've never paid more than $5 for anything NE of Washington.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 408

Street parking in the industrial area between the Farmer's Market and Olson Hwy. A 4-6 block walk to the stadium, and it's free.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 1:51 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 409

Thanks everyone for the help. I'm coming from Shakopee, so we come up 100 to 394. We usually park at the Library ($5 after hours) or the $3 ramp across the street. Both are great because of the ease of getting off of and onto 394. I've never ventured north of Washington, so I haven't been to those lots yet (but they look to have great access to 394 as well).

I'll be up in 307 with my neighbor (who hasn't been to TF yet, so we'll be getting there quite early to show him around). I'm hoping to finally see a win tomorrow (I'm 0-1 along with a rainout this season).

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 2:04 PM by Tyler Highlight this comment 410

Get ready for some more political theater, this time starring Zygi and featuring . . . wait for it . . . Bud Grant!

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 2:21 PM by Rick 411

This is going to be interesting.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 3:01 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 412

Oh god...

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 3:05 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 413

A rectractable roof is a waste of money for a football facility...it will be open, what, 3-5 games at most? You can be sure it would not be open in November and December...just ask Indianapolis.

Just build a fixed roof stadium and save yourself the extra $200 million (or whatever the cost of the retractable roof may be).

Unless the retractable roof is necessary for the MLS team.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 3:24 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 414

Personally, I would prefer an open roof football stadium. Even with a roof, the chances of landing a Super Bowl will be next to none. Final Fours? We've had two in the past 20 years....yawn.

Anybody think Packer fans wish they had a roof????

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 3:33 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 415

At least this should keep the tailgate-obsessed quiet for a little while.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 3:41 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 416

I think Zygi is about to get schooled in how you don't get a stadium built in these parts. He appears to have learned nothing -- almost literally -- from the long and winding process which brought about Target Field.

In other words, today's Unicorns and Rainbows proposal is no more likely to get a stadium built than yesterday's Leprechauns and Tooth Fairies proposal.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:21 PM by Rick 417

Zygi has been trying to get a stadium approved for several years so I'm not sure what he'll now learn that he hasn't already learned....

On another note, after listening to Lester Bagley on KFAN it came out that the Vikes will get the revenue from the selling of naming rights.

So while their contribution of $407M sounds significant it's really not that much because they could derive $120-150M for naming rights (over 30 years: $4M-5M a year).

K

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:32 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 418

So Rick, what would you say the odds that this specific proposal ever comes to fruition?

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:34 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 419

Zero.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:38 PM by Rick 420

Rick - I actually do remember that other Twins bill that passed (2002 I believe?) and I remember the Twins did not like it one bit. And, like you alluded to, the big difference between the 2002 and the 2006 bill that eventually passed was the lack of a voter referendum.

Mike - I still stand firmly behind a roof on a football stadium up here. Kev and maz and Rick and beta convinced me to be a roofless convert as far as TF was concerned, and I'm glad I made the switch. But, the football stadium must have a roof. Not just because of the possibility of a Super Bowl every 10 years, or a Final Four every six, but for the other community/entertainment events that rely on an indoor facility of that size and magnitude: i.e. TwinsFest, Metallica concerts, monster truck shows in January, supercross races in November...you get my drift.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 421

The headline on the Twins' site today read "Twins rally late, but fall ...". Only the 2011 Twins would consider a single scratch run a "rally".

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM by terry Highlight this comment 422

luke - I was simply saying a retractable roof is a waste of money for football. Yes, the Vikings need a roof if they want any public money to go towards this project. All I am saying is just go the route of a fixed roof and skip the retractable roof.

I still expect the new Vikings stadium will be built on the Farmer's Market site and it will be a fixed roof just like they have in Detroit with Ford Field.

I have said it before and will say it again, don't underestimate the power of the business leaders in Minneapolis.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:57 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 423

This is the difference between building a baseball stadium and a football stadium -- Even in down years, TF will bring 1.5M-2M people downtown spread over 81 days, enough to make an impact. The X is such a wonderful facility that they bring 100 nights of activity to downtown St. Paul. A new football stadium will bring 10 nights of huge activity, and with a roof many nights of low-very moderate activity. Put it wherever you want in my opinion....it just won't have the impact of a great ballpark or arena.

This is why I was for the public investment in TF and the X (and Target Center revitalization), but against both TCF and a new home for the Vikes. The public just doesn't get enough benefit from these very expensive facilities that are used by less than a million people a year.

I hope the Vikings stay. I think the Twin Cities are both unique in the nation with 4 major sports teams and major college teams (no Gopher football jokes please), and our location on the tundra requires us to keep these teams to stay relevant nationally in the sports world. That said, $1B for a team in Arden Hills is a steep price to pay to stay relevant in the NFL world.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 5:56 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 424

But, how do the other 31 NFL teams deal with their stadiums in the off-season? I mean, we aren't the only municipality that has a problem with low-impact events at their football stadium in the NFL off-season. How does Indy or Detroit or Houston keep their stadiums alive and kicking for 355 days a year (not including the ten NFL home games)? They have the same ten home games a year that the Vikes do. And, those cities consider The Luke (how about that?), Ford Field or Reliant Stadium as community assets.

Think of the other possibilities: Cowboys Stadium has had boxing matches that draw 85,000 people also an NBA All Star Game that drew well over 100,000. Reliant Stadium turns the stadium over to bulls, other assorted cattle and country music fans for two weeks a year. Conventions, auto shows, trade shows, concerts...they'll find a way to make the place worth the investment (and the retractable roof).

And, just for the record, what's made the Target Center such a viable facility besides the 10,000 people that show up to see regular losses suffered by the T-Wolves?

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 7:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 425

rick i generally agree with your sentiments but perhaps stadium fatigue will set in and it would pass the legislature just to get this off their plate for next year. another wildcard is the makeup of the legislature is radically different than it was back in '06. ultimately i think this will fail because the county/team seem to have their blinders on regarding all the road building/improving that needs to happen. they seem to be brushing that issue aside as no big deal. the cost of site cleanup appears to be much less than envisioned. that number seems low for a superfund site.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 8:06 PM by tim Highlight this comment 426

Forget the bring back the trees shirts, time for bring back the roof shirts. Cold, snow, rain, heat, humidity, and now HAIL!!!

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 8:44 PM by dave Highlight this comment 427


Posted on May 10, 2011 at 8:52 PM by Pics Highlight this comment 428

Call the game! Call the season!

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 9:00 PM by twinswschamps2027 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 429

@ THE Luke :) -- Indianapolis has actually done very well with their dome I agree. There is no reason for that city to have any events but for the dome. Good job! I hope it wears well.

I would say Ford Field has been a disaster. What significant event have they had there since it was built? I know I'm forgetting a couple, but you can't base a decision on an event that might come every decade. We will have all the other events you describe (probably in the convention center, which I'll address in a different post).

Finally, the Target Center isn't a viable facility in its current state. We are a victim of the river, history, and two downtowns. That said, hockey belongs in St. Paul, and basketball in Minneapolis. I hope they both thrive.

I would say Cowboys Stadium still isn't worth it. Perhaps it is given football crazy Texas. If so, good for them. We can't draw 100,000 people to a Vikes game, and we can't draw 100,000 people to the Prep Bowl. That is ok, Dallas doesn't have the Guthrie, major college sports, or our sense of place.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 9:23 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 430

Ford Field has hosted a Super Bowl, Final Four, and Frozen Four. It hosts a college football bowl game each year (It's not a major bowl game, but its still a good event that brings in people in December)

It has also hosted some major concerts as well as some big WWE events. I think Michigan State has also played some basketball games there.

The Metrodome once hosted a lot of major events as well, but now Minneapolis is getting outbid by better venues such as Ford Field, Reliant Stadium, Lucas Oil Stadium, Cowboys Stadium to name a few.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 9:45 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 431

Yes, Mike covered Ford Field's resume pretty well.
Unless I'm mistaken, the MSU Spartans now play an annual basketball game there...I could be wrong.
I think the original game in 2003 (nicknamed the BasketBowl I believe) was the prototype that convinced the NCAA to start putting the court on the 50-yard line for their Final Four events (and some regionals).

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 10:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 432

Can't wait to see the Red Wings "b" line-up tomorrow...

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 10:42 PM by TK Highlight this comment 433

Twins baseball is definitely diseased right now.

I will be out of state this weekend and can't even sell my row 14 field box tickets for under face value for Saturday's game...A SATURDAY afternoon game in Mid-May for god's sake.

I realize its the fishing opener, but Twins baseball is definitely diseased right now. Even the Twins themselves have been heavily promoting ticket availability for this homestand.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 10:57 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 434

Dick's comment during the Tolber at-bat, "Morneau and Kubel are still the scheduled batters..."

Who else is going to bat?

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 11:01 PM by TK Highlight this comment 435

Gotta love the Twins and their -72 run differential...

106 runs scored (3.15 runs/game) ranking 30 of 30
178 runs against (5.09 runs/game) ranking 29 of 30

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 11:34 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 436

should say 3.11 runs scored/game and
5.23 runs against/game

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 11:36 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 437

Baseball! Get your cheap baseball! Come see Target Field below face value! I think this team is probably the worst team in the majors...and, I hate to say it, but the Indians look for real. A fluke doesn't rattle off 14 wins in a row at home...and wait til they start filling the Jake this summer with real crowds in search of a post-LeBron identity. Like I said before...the budget-conscious will be very happy this summer. Free parking, $1 hot dogs at Holiday, bring your own beverage in, $2 tickets on Stubhub in late summer...the only thing missing is a contender.

Posted on May 10, 2011 at 11:57 PM by twinswschamps2027 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 438

The PiPress article has a much more fair look at the ViQueeens stadium deal. Remember the Strib has a lot ($$$) to lose from the Arden Hills deal!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 12:00 AM by Madisonian Highlight this comment 439

Tyler - you can park in the ramps adjacent to the Minneapolis convention center for $6 for the game. And you can take the skyway all the way to TF. I've found it to be the cheapest and least hassle of all other options.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 12:10 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 440

I need to get some sleep, but I'm being bombarded by links. Here are two which are particularly good.

Reusse proves himself as dim on this subject as he is on so many others.

Stadium game guru Jay Weiner, meanwhile, casts a wary eye while documenting the whole dog-and-pony show from today.

The Legislature will just never go for this plan, and for about a million reasons. If they pass a bill at all, I guarantee it will be sabotaged in some way. And it should be.

In case you haven't see it, the Strib has the full animation released today. (I'd embed it, but there are dumb commercials before you get to the video, and the player is so lousy that you can't easily pause and restart to look at individual frames.)

The line drawings which make up the video, utterly lacking in any imagination, show today's plan for what it really is: wishful thinking. It's not backed by solid reasoning, nor is it based on anything hard.

I think Dayton realized the strategy they would be using (razzle, dazzle, foregone conclusion, misty-eyed Bud Grant stuff) and that's why he threw some cold water on the thing this morning. Zygi will want to be able to blame the Legislature when this falls apart, and after today, that will be easy.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 12:16 AM by Rick 441

dave - Any "Bring Back the Roof" t-shirt I see will be damned and summarily confiscated. Which reminds me, from now on, I should carry a pair of scissors around, just in case. I'm thinking of having a backyard bonfire soon anyway. An ugly t-shirt should start the fire up real nice.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 06:58 AM by luke Highlight this comment 442

Linked is an ESPN story about Mauer and his recovery.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 07:00 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 443

Linked: Alexi Casilla's Response to hail. Of note, the last couple of lines. Who knows maybe hail could help him?

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 07:58 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 444

It seems so long ago now, but do you remember the when commentators were saying Nishioka was off to a slow start? He was hitting .250. .250? It would now take the cumulative averages of both catchers and half a middle infielder to reach .250!!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 08:08 AM by terry Highlight this comment 445

Kudos to Larry DiVito and the crew for getting the field playable in an hour last night.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 08:42 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 446

Short notice, but I've got 2 extra tickets for today's (Wednesday noon) game, if anyone is interested. Upper deck, but they are under the roof canopy.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 08:46 AM by spycake Highlight this comment 447

but rick zygi's gonna build a movie theater and an applebees so this plan has that going for it. sounds totally awesome. that "flyover" and those diagrams are embarrassing. why not wait until you've flushed something out to release drawings. nice work populous!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 09:22 AM by tim Highlight this comment 448

I'm sure demand is low, so I don't expect payment -- I just hate to see them go to waste. Click my name to inquire via email, in case my TwiFi doesn't work.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 09:25 AM by spycake Highlight this comment 449

A night of horrors both on the field and off the field! The C squad lays another egg and my car gets hail damage to boot. Got lucky and found a spot right across from the Holiday Store about a block from the Stadium. Was thinking about parking in the Somali lots underneath the bridges if I didn't find a spot! About 1/4 of the crowd bailed after the rain delay. Well at least it was warm and we scrambled down to some seats in sec 111 front row!! Now a perfect 0-3 at Target Field in the lost season! Our boys on pace to win 57 games this year in the Lost season.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 09:26 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 450

How embarrassing is this going to be, there is NO DOUBT that the Twins will be at least 20 games below .500 by Memorial weekend. Nice going Twins! A summer without baseball, that’s what this will be! C-squad baseball for major league prices is not going to cut it in this town!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM by bphj Highlight this comment 451

The hail storm last night was a perfect metaphor for the first 34 games of this season. Even the heavens can't stand to watch what the Red Wings are doing to the game of baseball.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM by terry Highlight this comment 452

i did enjoy the hail, it helped keep my MiO chilled on a steamy night!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM by tk Highlight this comment 453

All the light rail stuff aside, I think Reusse had it right on an important point; Minneapolis wanted/expected a new Vikings stadium to fall into its lap while other entities (Vikes, State, Hennepin County) did the heavy lifting, and probably still does.

There was a lot of high fiving among Vikings fans yesterday when the Arden Hills proposal was announced. It's misplaced right now. This stadium is far from approved and has many hurdles to clear. What the Vikings want and what ends up getting built, if anything, will likely be different in the end.

Hopefully they'll come up with a solution sooner than later. The nearly decade long saga of the Twins can't be repeated here. Unlike the Twins, the Vikings have legitimate alternative options and don't want or have to wait. The Minneapolis site would be 100% more convenient and accessible for me, but I'll take Arden Hills if that's how it plays out, since it beats the team moving to Los Angeles.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:17 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 454

Twink: I'm surprised you didn't have enough $1 hot dog wrappers to lay out to protect your hood and roof, at least!!

oh, and I might as well say it...... LOL!! :)

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:37 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 455

Jorge-

I agree with you, as long as it gets built - I really don't care where it is.....unlike you, however, going to games downtown has never been convenient for me. As much as I enjoy going to Twins games at TF and all the fun around the ballpark, I don't enjoy traveling down there and back. Quite frankly, it's a pain in the behind.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 456

Schweady I did stop in for a couple of dogs to lug up to the park! Securtiy didn't even look in the bag or the wifes purse this time! I was laughing at the hail then crying!!!!! LOL! C squad down 5-2 top of 7! Hope the baby jesus gets back soon for the strech run!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 457

Kubel!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 458

It's May 11 and for the first time, I got goosebumps watching the Twins bat in the 7th...Nicely done Kubel!

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM by tk Highlight this comment 459

Most spineless...
team...
ever

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 4:05 PM by eskerber Highlight this comment 460

Runner at 3d with one out in two consecutive innings. The results? Two consecutive strikeouts. And a starting catcher with a batting average only Dean Wormer could love - "zero ... point ... zero". The bullpen is of course horrible, but we knew that coming into the season.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 4:10 PM by terry Highlight this comment 461

Tom Kelly says that every team wins 1/3 of their games, and loses 1/3 of their games. It's what they do with the other 1/3 that matters.

Well, so far this year the Twins have lost all of those 1/3.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 4:34 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 462

But luke says it's just like 1991!!
*drinks more kool aid*

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 5:31 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 463

Does anybody know how far Tosoni's home run traveled? Thanks.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM by michael Highlight this comment 464

Hit Tracker has it at 426 ft.

clicky

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 6:32 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 465

Rick,

Just out of curiosity, does having a crappy team to watch taint YOUR ballpark experience when you go? In other words, are you as excited to visit Target Field now, or is it becoming a tug of war between staying home and going? I only ask because I figure you'll be the last to throw in the towel.

These are the Twins of the last decade. It was a nice LDS-style run. But, I'm afraid it's time for a major restructuring of this team. The only problem is the $184 million noose around the Pohlads' neck.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM by twinswschamps2027 Highlight this comment 466

Driving home from work today, I heard the most bizarre interview on Dan Barreiro's show on KFAN. It was with Dr. Karl Hjelgarten, a regional expert on water quality, who is convinced the reason so many Twins are sick is "in the water" at Target Field. He believes there is a connection with the garbage burner, water supply and the removal of the trees in making so many players are sick and also with the fact that they are not recovering. He has offered to test the water, but as been turned away by the Twins. Oddly enough, Barreiro kind of believed the guy. They have the interview podcasted, which I tried to link to with no luck. It's on Barreiro's page on KFAN.com. Very interesting interview. I don't normally believe in this stuff - just curses.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 467

Interestingly enough, the tainted water doesn't seem to be affecting the visiting teams.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:09 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 468

Do the Twins also bottle up the water and take it on the road with them?

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:56 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 469

Not to give that guy too much creedence, but he stated that lower exposure to the "tainted" water would have no effect. Fans, visiting teams, etc., don't have to worry. Long-term exposure through drinking the water over time, bathing, etc. would have the affect. Somebody would have to have long-term exposure to the excercise pool, hot tub, rehabbing stuff for an extended period of time in the water.

Like a catcher, or something.

He believes that Mauer is not suffering from "Bilateral Leg Weakness," but Osteomalacia, a softening of the bones due to tainted water through (yes) The Garbage Burner. There is not a natural eco- system in the ballpark to take the pollutants away due to removal of (you got it) The Trees. He is recommending putting trees back in the stadium. He might even be the "Bring Back the Trees Guy." I am not making this up. He is also claiming that other players are having a hard time fighting viruses due to this water issue.

You will have to listen to the podcast. The Doctor comes on at about 32 min.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:18 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 470

The great irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:10 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 471

Did Dr. Hjelgarten mention anything about the faked moon landing? I'd love to know on which Hollywood sound set they were filmed. Oh, and Victor Martinez obviously brought bottled water for drinking and bathing this week.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:19 PM by terry Highlight this comment 472

Terry - no, but he had a couple of interesting takes on whether or not Bin Laden was really dead.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:53 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 473

it's a bit. like carl gerbschmidt.

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:56 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 474

No wonder Wilf wants the Arden Hills location so bad. Under the current agreement, the Vikes would get revenue from naming rights ($120-150M), PSL revenue ($100M if you think $5,000 a seat on 20,000 seats is reasonable) and parking revenue ($90M estimate total over 30 yrs).

That could be up to $340M in revenue when he only has to put in a max of $407M (and perhaps not even that much.)

Sweetheart deal!

K

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:41 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 475

I'm so sick of hearing the terms "baseball activities" and "life is more important than baseball" when these guys get hurt. It's the Twins way...we pay you, and you can take as much time as you want off...we won't pressure you...we won't expect anything of you...just let us know when and if you're ready to play again. This team has feasted off the crappy AL Central for a decade...but now look at who's in first and second...and who's in last. In a cruel twist of fate...WE'VE become the Indians and Royals of the next decade! I had earlier predicted 8,000 at a Sept game in 2013...I think we may hit that in 2011. I also fear that the Mauer contract will go down as the biggest laugher in all of sports contracts. It will make the A-Rod Texas deal and the Herschel Walker Vikings deal look like steals. We at best have a good hitting singles hitter playing in 75% of the games...at worst, we have a really highly paid cheerleader. How sad is it that after dropping $184 million on one position, THAT position is still our biggest liability with the .100 sticks being brought out on a nightly basis?

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:59 PM by twinswschamps2027 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 476

I can't give away my Twins tickets. I am not hear to make a buck, but literally, people do not want to accept free tickets...

Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:13 PM by tk Highlight this comment 477

So glad we got rid of those trees for bats that still can't hit it out.. Thanks alot whiney Twins hitters! I like the trees there damn it! Now it look like a lame wall with nothing in front of it!

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 01:56 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 478

Actually, kev, there is a big difference between the 2011 squad and the 1991 squad: ya ready? This one is lemonade flavored, not the grape stuff Jim Jones and I used in 1978...lol.

The difference is, the 1991 squad actually had some drive, some determination...which led to the 15-game winning streak. The 2011 squad has no drive, no determination...and the only 15-game streak I see for this year's club is on the losing side.

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 06:53 AM by luke Highlight this comment 479

My scan suggests that 93 wins a pretty safe level for the wildcard spot over the past decade. Often in the Central the magic level is 90 (that would have been good enough in 10 of the past 12 years), but with Cleveland so hot, we'll go with the 93 level. That means just going 81-46 over the rest of the schedule, playing .638 baseball.

Another funny stat -- the Twins' pythagorean is 10-25. That mean that they are actually 2 games better than their runs scored vs. runs allowed would lead you to believe. We should be worse!

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 07:58 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 480

Holy Cow! This explains a lot. Just listened to Dr. Hjelgarten on the podcast - but I think he's missing the more obvious conclusion from all the evidence:

The trees weren't removed because they interfered with the batter's eye! They were removed because the Target Field water was killing them! If they had left they stay out there, we'd be looking at withering, yellowing, dying spruces by now!

So now we have two reasons to Bring Back the Trees. One to reverse the curse, and two, to disprove the Bad Water Theory.

By the way, more folks were spotted in TF on Tuesday night decked out with the BBtT shirts.
http://www.cafepress.com/bringbackthetrees

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 09:58 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 481

2011 Twins rankings for futility (compared to the 29 other MLB teams)

Hitting:
Runs scored 30th (out of the 30 teams)
Hits 28th
Home Runs 30th
Slugging% 30th
O.B.P. 30th
Stolen Bases 26th

Maybe pitching will be better?
E.R.A. 29th
Hits allowed 24th
Walks 27th
Strikeouts 30th
WHIP 29th

And of course we should look at overall record: 30th

/sigh/

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 482

They did manage to show a pulse, at least, yesterday - but I have a question for all the "It's a marathon" types here: Is it OK to be concerned yet?

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 11:14 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 483

I'm a marathon guy and now I am getting concerned. All the reasons everyone else has mentioned. I've written three or four times that a baseball season should be considered successful if your team is playing meaningful games in September. I am doubting that will be true this year. I was at the game yesterday and after the game, while in the bathroom, I heard Gladden talking about all the positives that could be taken from the game yesterday.(ironic that I was in the bathroom while I listened to that!) How about they lost?!?! This isn't my 8th grade baseball team. When we lose, I feed them that crap. This is a professional team! Great - they "battled" and "put together some great at bats." How about the two errors? The bullpen sucking and overused? The starter going 4 innings.

I love the game of baseball. I will keep cheering and watching this team. But, this will be the first time since the late 90's that maybe I will have to do what Gladden did yesterday - look for positives after losses. By the way, my 8th grade team is 11-3. At least I have that going for me this baseball season!

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 11:35 AM by ole Highlight this comment 484

Ole- how much do tickets cost to watch your team play? I will take 4 seats for the entire season behind your dugout please.

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 12:06 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 485

Ole, maybe the Twins get treats if they try hard during the game.

Maybe there is a team Mom with a cooler full of peeled oranges or something...

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 12:26 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 486

I am glad I do not have any fishing plans this weekend and can go to the Twins game. I can't even get 65% of face value...

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM by tk Highlight this comment 487

I was at a game last week and a guy a few sections over would yell after each time that a Twins player got out, "BRING BACK THE TREES!"

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 1:08 PM by tk Highlight this comment 488

I have a question for everyone.

Jay Weiner was the Strib's go to man on all things stadium during the long saga of the Twins battle to get a new park. My take on Jay Weiner is that at heart he's very much against public financing for sports facilities. I also believe this opinion of his came out very clearly in the tone of his Strib articles about the Twins and their stadium struggles, even though he was a reporter as opposed to a columnist. Although Weiner's attitude was hardly the only reason the Twins tried and failed to get a new stadium for so many years, I believe that Weiner's negative tone in his regular articles influenced certain members of the public and politicians against the project and contributed to the long delay in solving the issue.

Am I alone or does anyone feel, at least partly, the same?

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 2:06 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 489

You're right on Jorge. Jay Weiner is Nick Coleman.

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 2:28 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 490

Kevin in AZ - We may head to AZ next weekend to see the Twins and check another stadium off the list. Any suggestions? (we'll have the 2 kids along, so we don't need the best bar....)

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 3:03 PM by Go Go Twins Highlight this comment 491

Interesting article in the Star about the non-evacuation of fans when the sirens were audible near or at the stadium. Click name.

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 4:05 PM by tk Highlight this comment 492

Anyone know if there are any good Northwoods League players the Twins could call up?

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 4:18 PM by tk Highlight this comment 493

Andre Ethier played in the Northwoods League for the Rochester Honkers a few years back, but I think he has since found employment in the Los Angeles area.

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM by terry Highlight this comment 494

Jared - I can reserve seats behind the dugout for you, but hurry! Our season is almost over! No peeled oranges but I do buy my guys Gatorades for the following game for the "hustle play of the game." Things like backing up a base, scoring from 2nd on a bunt (we've managed that one three times this season - we have some guys that can fly), and taking extra bases. Maybe the Twins should do that. Oh wait, they get paid MILLIONS to play the game! I'm becoming cynical just like most of you. What's happened to me?!?

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:19 PM by ole Highlight this comment 495

Ole, happens to the best of us!

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM by tk Highlight this comment 496

Someone should call Joe Urbon and see what Redmond is up to these days...

Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM by tk Highlight this comment 497

Jorge - well, yes and no. I've read Jay's book, Stadium Games, and I do agree with your assessment that, for the most part, he is against public financing. On the other hand, the other thing I get from him is that he also knows that they are necessary for teams to stay competitive.

Jay knows his stuff. The book is a very good read. I like the stories he told about Pat Forceia and the North Stars in 1993. And, the mess that was created with the T-Wolves and the Stars and Target Center is a good read too.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 07:00 AM by luke Highlight this comment 498

tk-
Redmond is the manager for the Jay's A ball team.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 07:53 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 499

I'm really glad Redmond is still in 'the game', he obviously loves it. I hope to see him managing in the Twins' organization someday.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 08:24 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 500

Wild snubbed again. clicky

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 08:54 AM by luke Highlight this comment 501

Damn. Harmon headed to hospice. Click name for link.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 502

We knew it was coming, but that in no way lessens the sadness.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 10:18 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 503

While looking around for tickets for this June's Twins' games in Cleveland (masochistic, I know) I noticed that they offer an interactive seat map for picking tickets. Pick a section or zoom in closely enough and individual seats appear, showing as available or already sold. This is Ticketmaster technology but the Twins are stuck with their affiliation with Stubhub, I guess. Too bad the home club can't offer that same satisfying high-tech experience for their on-line ticket sales, eh?...


Posted on May 13, 2011 at 10:22 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 504

Harmon's news casts a pall over all else. This is indeed a very sad day.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 10:25 AM by terry Highlight this comment 505

Damn, indeed. The guy announces his imminent exit from this life with as much class and bravery as he has lived it. What a privilege it is to have memories of his mighty swings at the Met -- the Ks along with the HRs. We love you, Killer.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 10:34 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 506

Harmon handles himself with total class, as always. Best wishes to him and his family.

Now if you'll excuse me, I seem to have something in my eyes...

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 10:59 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 507

Can this baseball season get any worse? Team is a disaster. We're about to lose the first baseball hero that many of us older folks had. Hang on Harmon, Bob and Kirby are waiting for you at the pearly gates.

Posted on May 13, 2011 at 12:22 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 508


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