A Preview (And Not)
July 25, 2009 3:36 PM
As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, there is plenty of outdoor baseball available right now if you're willing to seek it out. (I probably don't have to tell you this.)
Well, I was invited to go along on a group outing to Midway Stadium last night to enjoy some tailgating and a night game. Rain in the morning gave way to a beautiful afternoon and an even more perfect evening.
Midway Stadium (seen from our tailgating spot across the parking lot)
The Lincoln Saltdogs (and a promotional Nerd)
Our seats were out in General Admission/Family Section ($5). The top seat in the ballpark is only $12, so that would have been my preference, but when you're doing a group thing, this is pretty effortless.
There are GA sections on both sides of the field. We naively opted for the right field corner, not realizing that the sun would be directly in our eyes for the first half of the game. My scorecard contained a fair number of question marks because I just couldn't see what was happening. I finally gave up in the 5th inning (this also coincided with a trip for some cheese curds).
The payoff came, however, when the sun was finally shielded by those trees and we got to witness a genuine, deep Minnesota sunset. It was picture-perfect.
A spectacular golden hour
Party deck down the right field line
The party deck was closed for a private party, but you can see below that it's right next to a full concession area. Also behind the party deck was a beer stand, an ice cream stand, a fruit smoothie stand (staffed by a very lonely-looking teenager) and a bunch of games for the kids.
The pink thing is a mascot. (Actually, with a damn fine mascot actor underneath.)
I think that's a pig up there on that vane!
At various points I wondered just how much the experience represented a sneak preview of what we'll get at Target Field. My conclusion was that it's not much of a preview at all.
The architecture is obviously different, so I doubt that the setting sun will impact the outfield seats at Target Field for very long at all, though the sunsets themselves could be equally spectacular (the glare issue is for the main grandstand to deal with).
But it's the overall atmosphere that really defines the difference. At a Saints game, the promotional stuff seems to take priority. At a Twins game, the game itself never loses the spotlight. I could go on with details, but I think you know what I mean.
I know which I prefer, but that's not for everybody. And I was pleasantly surprised with the level of play I saw from both teams. It was up several notches from the last time I went out to Midway a few years ago.
Saints between innings
Train. (What is it about baseball and trains?)
They've kept Midway Stadium relatively up-to-date, but it's clear that the place needs replacing. You may have read that the Saints have teamed up with the city of St. Paul to ask the Legislature for $25 million for a new ballpark in the Lowertown area.
It's a great site, and a great idea. It also seems like a bargain.
The Strib ran an article with this map last month (thanks, James, for the link):
That was on a long list of possible Twins sites at one time, but really would not have worked well for Major League baseball. I can think of a couple of sites I like better for the Saints, but this would do just fine.
You'll note that the park would be oriented to the southwest, which is among the less desirable orientations. But it would probably provide a proportionally spectacular view of the St. Paul skyline.
I can find no concept drawings of a new Saints ballpark since this one from 10 or more years ago (sited across the river from downtown on a parcel which is no longer available):
The Saints' official site doesn't contain any mention of the project. Also, the site for the architect mentioned in the graphic was no help. It may or may not contain more info, but it has one of the worst navigational schemes I've seen on a web site in a very long time, so we'll probably never know.
I also couldn't help but wonder what impact Target Field may have on the Saints' business. If tailgating is a real possibility in Minneapolis, will the crowds thin further in St. Paul? (Though the official attendance on Friday night was around 6,000, at its peak the crowd only appeared to fill about 60% of the stands.)
Are people going there to see baseball outside, or are they drawn in by the overall level of casual (and highly economical) fun?
I like to believe there is room for both teams (and perhaps a third) in this market. But I'm inclined to predict tougher times next year out at Midway.
A true fan out in the bleachers
The sun took about 10 degrees of heat with it when it set, and we were reminded that three evening hours represent at least two different climate zones. We wished we had brought sweatshirts.
In that sense, I learned a little something that I'll need for next summer. So I say, get out there and experience it for yourself!
We're all in training now, you know.
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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."
– Bernie Williams
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He'll always be a fan favorite, but did you know that he's making $18.5 million this year? The Twins' entire outfield today, combined, makes $7.45 million.
One half of those windows are well-used.
Spring of 1982 (click to enlarge greatly -- can you pick out Kent Hrbek?)
Detail showing clubhouse and home dugout (click to see the entire drawing)
This is the LRT bridge under construction as viewed from the east looking west. The ballpark facade would be at the left in this photo.
That group was working on something very carefully, but I couldn't tell just what it was.
1885 Sanborn Map Image (Source: Sanborn Map Collection, Minneapolis Public Library, Copyright © 2001 by The Sanborn Map Company, Sanborn Library, LLC)
That is the gun-metal gray wall of The Stadium just beyond the elevated tracks.
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Gate 29 escalators
Bassett Creek's path through the ballpark site (Source: Minneapolis Public Library)
Click to see the whole, beautiful image. (Photo by Tyler Wycoff)
Skyline to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the outfield with you... (click to enlarge)
Here's the view as you step to the front of the outer moat beyond first base.
The Ballpark Wall! (really stunning)
No griping here.
Large staircases, a staple of recent Populous (nee HOK) projects, are all over the place.
More flowers, more pennants.
The Carew lounge was all ready for some corporate event.
Viewed from a different angle, it seems fair to wonder is some of those seats will have slightly obscured views. Yet, if they're cheap, that's not a problem.
Two concepts here remain in the final design. First is the oddly-shaped pavilion in center. Second is the section just above the right field fence. In the current design this section will hang over the field by a few feet. The original doesn't do that, but you can see that the concept goes way back in the planning.
Also from the B ramp entrance off of Third, a look up at the tiny crack between ballpark and parking ramp
Playing surface dirt out there? Maybe. (click to enlarge)
This view, from the Minnekahda building (or possibly a predecessor), looks toward the right field corner. The City Market, at left, occupied the land where the B ramp and Target Plaza now stand (over I-394). And the Overlook now juts out just a little beyond where that driveway enters the railyard.
This opportunity is half a block up Third Avenue and thousands of people walk right by before and after games.
This is the view from where the plaza will connect to the walkway on the west side of Target Center. This presumably aids traffic flow back to the A ramp, and perhaps to the skyway connection (though the doors to the skyway right there are typically exit only).
Here's a closer look at the bullpen area. It's hard to tell for sure, but I think there is still an opening to the concourse right above.
Griffith Stadium (notch visible in lower photo at far left)
New Concept Drawing - No Roof
BPM - Ballpark Magic
BRT - Bus Rapid Transit
DSP - Dave St. Peter
FSE - Full Season Equivalent
FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)
HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)
HPB - Home Plate Box
HRP - Home Run Porch
LC - Legends Club
LRT - Light Rail Transit
MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)
MOA - Mall of America
MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)
NYS - New Yankee Stadium
SRO - Standing Room Only
STH - Season Ticket Holder
TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium
TF - Target Field
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