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June 11, 2007 8:29 PM

This is not exactly something I ever expected to be doing, but I've been working my way through the Environmental Impact Statement for the ballpark project. This is one very dry document, but if you're willing to sift through all the boring stuff, you never know when you're going to find something really interesting:

Ballpark Color Elevation: Fifth Street

Ballpark elevation diagram, viewed from Fifth Street. (Click to enlarge.)


Ballpark elevation: Fifth Street

A slightly different elevation drawing, again viewed from Fifth Street, with some labels. (Click to enlarge.)


Ballpark elevation: Seventh Street

Ballpark elevation viewed from Seventh Street. (Click to enlarge.)


Ballpark elevation: Promenade (HERC side)

Ballpark elevation viewed from the promenade (HERC plant) side. (Click to enlarge.)

So, what does it look like to you?

I gotta say that it looks like a ballpark to me -- I mean a real, modern, attractive ballpark. It doesn't look like an office building, or a retail store, or a mall, or something institutional. And it also doesn't look any other ballpark out there. It actually looks to me like the first of a new breed rather than the last gasp of the old. It looks like the first truly 21st-century baseball stadium.

Also buried within the text is a detail which is still not seen in any of the renderings, but could be the dramatic element I've been yearning for:

Two towers with decorative lighting may be located on the outside edge of the Ballpark in line with the foul lines, one adjacent to the 6th Street N. bridge entrance and one near the LRT station at 5th Street N. They would measure 25 feet by 25 feet by 300 feet.

A pair of large, decorative towers! Vertical elements! Twins! Could that really be a possibility?

To put it in perspective after looking at the new elevation drawings (which conveniently contain scale indicators), these decorative towers would be about twice the height of the rest of the ballpark, soaring up into the sky. It's an amazing idea, and let's hope it makes the final cut.

Now I really want to keep reading this 350-page document, but I have to take some time to digest these new images...

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Outstanding work! I agree with you that this is the first view that really resembles a ballpark. Thanks for all of your hard work sifting through documents and providing great insight into this project. You've got a great site!

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 07:00 AM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 1

Thanks for all of your great work! I think this will be a great stadium, but (from the promenade) does anybody else think it kind of looks like Jabba the Hutt's Barge from Return of the Jedi? (click on link)

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 09:31 AM by James Highlight this comment 2

yes. great pictures. thanks for doing all the dirty work and giving us the payout! much appreciated.

the link doesn't work james, but yes. it does look like jabbas barge. not a bad thing. Perhaps we will become the vile gangsters of the a.l. central!

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 11:38 AM by mike Highlight this comment 3

You could be on to something here James. Perhaps T.C. Bear could share some of the mascot duties with Princess Leia in the Gold Bikini? J/K.

Great pics Rick!

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 11:57 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 4

James's link was good, but it went to a Tripod web site. Tripod sucks. They blocked access to the image.

It's a funny comparison, so I cached the image here. The link should work now.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 12:01 PM by Rick 5

That would be outstanding if the light towers make the cut.

We should all bombard the planning team with this request.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 12:13 PM by mlb2131 Highlight this comment 6

No red brick, no exposed green steel, no fake & needless exterior border like the new Yankee Stadium design.

The Twins design has hints of Petco Park, PNC Park, and the canopy is similar to Dodger Stadium. The seating may scream HoK, but this is one of the most unique parks I have seen post Camden.

In my opinion, the Twins design is much better than the new Yankee Stadium, Citi Field, and the one in Washington. (which doesn't have much seating behind homeplate)

I like the new A's park, but it still has a forced "retro" feel to me. I think this Twins park will fit in with the contemporary Minneapolis architechture. The new Guthrie & Central Library come to mind.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 12:45 PM by Chris G Highlight this comment 7

This canopy reminds me of Petco, definitely, while the exterior stone is similar to PNC, although our's will be darker. I don't like the National's new park or the Mets'. The new Yankee Stadium is pretty much a replica of the old one.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 1:13 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 8

If I'm sitting in the last 10 rows of the lower level or standing on the concourse, will I be able to track fly balls and homeruns? It looks like sitting in a tunnel.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 2:40 PM by sightlines Highlight this comment 9

One time I sat in the last row of the lower level at PNC park (which is under a large overhang much like ours will be) and I had concerns about that as well before the game started. But it ended up as probably the best seat I have ever had at a game, you could follow every hit perfectly. I too love the way this park is shaping up. It is much better than the new stadium they are building in Washington, which looks like a suburban office park, or the crappy fake retro stadiums being built in New York.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 4:43 PM by Tommy Highlight this comment 10

I looked at the Environmental Impact Statement, saw the proposed Saturday start times, which I was hoping they would change from game starts now, which is 6pm. It says Noon, 4pm and 7pm. I'm assuming that most Saturday games would be noon, nation TV games 4pm and World Series games at 7pm. Anybody have any clarificationon these times?

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 6:18 PM by John Highlight this comment 11

John,

I read those times as simply assumptions used for study rather than actual anticipated game times. It may well be that, for study purposes, an hour here or there can help the situation look better or worse, thus making it easier to justify whatever is needed in the document.

At this point, it seems unlikely that the team would have made such detailed scheduling decisions.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 6:41 PM by Rick 12

I was recently in Houston and was concerned about the view from under the overhang and the concourse, but it wasn't a problem there. You're pretty high above the field by the time you get near the concourses. Either way, the view in the concourses will be much better than the view is in the Metrodome concourses.

Posted on June 12, 2007 at 9:31 PM by Craig in MN Highlight this comment 13

I'm still thinking this outdoor ballpark is a bad idea. I mean seriously. We are talking about Minnesota. Sure the summers are great. What about the snow that comes in April. Are you going to want to sit in a heated dome, or a cold outdoor ballpark. Sure the ballpark is terrific. I'm thrilled. It's just the sun will get in your face, shadows will be on the field. snow will be on the field. we will be sweating or possibly wet or cold. I may seem like a whiner, but the dome is starting to seem pretty awesome at this point in my mind.

Posted on June 14, 2007 at 12:14 AM by Taylor Highlight this comment 14

get outta here! this has been debated over and over and the fact is, its now a dead issue.
get ready-its coming weather you like it (and most of us do) or not

Posted on June 14, 2007 at 4:24 PM by enough! Highlight this comment 15

I see lots of glass wall sections on the exterior. They appear to be broken up into panes of irregular size and patterns. I think it would be a nice touch to throw a pane of colored glass in here and there as a subtle homage to the colored glazed brick exterior of the old Met.

Posted on August 28, 2007 at 4:45 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 16


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The images on that wall appear to be of great Twins moments in history.



Here's the barricade in context at the end of the walkway



Miller Park: Gymnasium with skylight (Source: RP)












Ballpark elevation diagram, viewed from Fifth Street. (Click to enlarge.)



"Original" or "Dinger" Dog



Ahh. Lunch in the admin building...



We'll be packed into the first five rows of section 136. Hey, Wilson! I'm bringing my glove!



Original Concept - With a Retractable Roof



Spring of 1982 (click to enlarge greatly -- can you pick out Kent Hrbek?)



Photo by Tyler Wycoff



A mural featuring the names of a bunch of Minnesota towns.



North Loop Deli






Great sign



July 7, 1966 (Click to see the entire scorecard with ads)






Rod Carew will greet you, but he's sorely in need of a home plate for reference. (Killebrew is too.)



Auxiliary scoreboard (note to TF principles: this is a very good idea)












Dancing for the cameras



This view clearly shows the curve in the left field stands and the relationship of the first row with the playing field (no overhang to speak of in left).



The Target Center rooftop patio. Hardly glamorous, but a great view of the ballpark.



Detail at Gate 6



JohnW provides this shot of a construction barricade on First Avenue






This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of Seventh Street (looking west away from downtown). It's inviting, not imposing, and remarkably dignified.






Love the red flowers -- just like the original concept drawings. That NEVER happens.



Here's a first view of the surprisingly spacious walkway on Fifth between the ballpark and the LRT platform.






The bases for the player statues have been recently upgraded.









Nicely-cushioned seats, lots of room, great sightlines






Steps going up at Gate 29/Carew



If you want, you can ask those folks how the game is going -- and even get a little bit of info from the big screen (Grandstand)






It was in and then quickly out of his glove. You gotta make that play.



Upper deck view of the out-of-town scoreboard.



Seating mound (seen from the B ramp)



He'll always be a fan favorite, but did you know that he's making $18.5 million this year? The Twins' entire outfield today, combined, makes $7.45 million.





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