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Model Details - Part 5

January 22, 2008 7:29 PM

This is the final installment of a series taking a closer look at the ballpark model. I took these photos on October 30 at the Hennepin County Government Center when the model was unveiled to the Hennepin County commissioners.

I should have noted this at the beginning of this series, but the model has most certainly changed since I took these pictures. In fact, the animation which was released on the same day showed a different configuration of the outfield stands -- one which was said to be more current. Whether that configuration has changed again since then I do not know. But what you will see at Twinsfest this weekend will probably be different in noticeable ways from these photos.

Here are a couple of views of the administration building which is built into the left field corner.

Admin building exterior

Integrating the administration building was really a great idea. Actually, there will be more things inside than just offices, but that will probably be some sweet space.


Admin building viewed from inside

Though there's nothing there now, you have to believe they'll find a way to add a party deck up there at some point.

Finally, here are some general shots which are just overviews of the whole model.

Model overview

That's Fifth Street (and a tattooed arm) in the foreground.


Model overview


Model overview


Model overview

Look closely and you'll see limestone on the front of the press box!

And now for a quick blast from the past. This was the concept model shown at Twinsfest 2004.

Old model

Oh my, how far they've come!

Tomorrow we'll take a look at more details from that original concept. You may be surprised at just how much the current design improves on that very interesting original.

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Remember the Original original renderings of the stadium on the river where the Guthrie is now?

Posted on January 22, 2008 at 10:19 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 1

Yeah, looking back at those renderings from January 1997, that would have been an amazing stadium site along the Mississippi riverfront. They could have also had a retractable roof and all for $300 million or so. (Don't remember the exact figures, but they could have had a lot more for less money had they gotten their act together earlier) But in the end, you can't go wrong with the current design which will be much more intimate and have it's own appeal rather than the "retro" appeal that the 1997 proposal would have had. It would have been essentially another Coors Field/Camden Yards ballpark only with the addition of a retractable roof.

Posted on January 22, 2008 at 11:39 PM by Luke Highlight this comment 2

Just seeing that last picture of the old model with the roof makes me thankful for what is reality. We'll have a REAL ballpark, not an airplane hangar like Miller Park, Chase Field or Minute Maid Park.

I have an umbrella, that's all the roof I will need. I have a parka and thermal underwear, that's all the protection I'll need in April.

I think all the pro-roof people are of the generation born post-metropolitan stadium. It wasn't that bad folks.....Tell them Rick, you're almost as old as I am!!!

Posted on January 22, 2008 at 11:50 PM by kevin in mn Highlight this comment 3

FYI everybody: The Strib is hosting a very small ballpark photo gallery (not quite as extensive as what you can find here, however).

The most interesting part is that you can see how they've tweaked the outfield a bit since I took my photos. (Click my name.)

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 12:15 AM by Rick 4

Jim Souhan has a good write up as well about the new ballpark and the model (click on link).

The thing I thought was most interesting was the fact that the top row in the left field grand stand will be approximately the same distance as the bottom row of the upper deck in the Metrodome. That is a BIG difference and will go to show how intimate this new ballpark will truly be.

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 12:41 AM by Luke Highlight this comment 5

Rick, I looked at the pics on the StarTrib website and I can't see where the tweaks were made. Are they real minor?

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 08:55 AM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 6

IowaWigman,

Look at the area above the batter's eye. My pix show a restauarant, the Strib pix show seating.

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 08:59 AM by Rick 7

This ballpark is going to be incredible. Top-5 in baseball in my opinion. I love those seats out in the left field corner surrounding the admin. building and the greenery on top of the HR fence. And I agree, it is a great thing to not have a monstrosity of a retractable roof looming over the park. Miller Park is a nice comfortable park, and I've also been to Houston's park, but they feel like domes. Like kevin in mn says, our park is going to be a real BALLPARK. A throwback to the old days where they built a park into the surrounding neighborhood as best as they could. How sweet is the fall of '09 going to be? The Gophers back on campus in an outdoor stadium that harkens back to Memorial Stadium, and the anticipation of Opening Day 2010 for the Twins and their amazing park.

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 09:49 AM by KR Highlight this comment 8

Thanks for pointing that out.

In reading Souhan's column, I was a little surprised to hear that the capacity would come in at just under 40,000. I was thinking with the added outfield seating in left field that it would be over 40,000.

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 10:09 AM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 9

I like how this is actual outfield seating in the new ballpark where nearly every homerun will be caught by a fan unlike the current dome.

i can't wait to see the reactions of right fielders that are robbed of an out (and the hitter being gifted) of the right field stand overhang.

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 10:52 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 10

In regards to the administration building, are the plans still there for some sort of sports bar? If so, I hope it remains open on non-game days and before games, say 11 to 3.

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 5:26 PM by Pikachu732001 Highlight this comment 11

This ballpark is simply going to be amazing! Most importantly this ballpark is going to be different than all other ballparks and have its own unique identity with the limestone, administration building incorporated into the ballpark, the parking ramps beyond the outfield fence, the plaza area, the unique left field grandstand, the light rail/northstar commuter lines, and the overall intimate design. This ballpark will be one-of-a-kind and will have its own identity.

The best ballparks of baseball are all smaller urban ballparks (and OPEN AIR ballparks) that have incorporated the area infrastructure as part of the overall design. Ballparks such as PNC Park, SBC Park, Fenway Park, Wrigley Field, and Camden Yards all provide unique experiences such as the Roberto Clemente Bridge (PNC), McCovey Cove (SBC), Waveland/Sheffield Avenues along with rooftop seating and ivy walls (Wrigley), the Green Monster (Fenway), and the giant Warehouse (Camden Yards). These are all urban ballparks that have used the area infrastructure to give the ballpark its own unique identity and Minnesota will be able to say the same thing in 2010 when they will have one of the best ballparks in baseball! This will be a ballpark to be proud of and no one is more deserving than Minnesota Twins fans!

Posted on January 23, 2008 at 7:50 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 12

What a waste of roughly $400 million in tax dollars. $400 million dollars would be much better spent on roads, schools, police and fire departments, or given back to the taxpayers. Why raise taxes on the citizens of a state that already has one of the highest tax burdens in the nation? Apparently the $750 million toy train that runs an annual deficit of $10 million was not a enough to bleed taxpayers. Minnesotans don't own the Twins, so therefore it is not our responsibility to buy them a new place of business. I could only imagine the outrage of some local journalists if politicians proposed building Target, Best Buy, or 3M a $400 million complex. We wouldn't accept that from them, so why accept it from the Twins?

Posted on January 28, 2008 at 5:58 PM by Adam Highlight this comment 13

C'mon adam you can't be serious comparing target, best buy and 3m to the Twins. Would anyone pay to go watch those companies work?

Posted on January 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 14

Is there any new photos from ground level of the ballpark? I am a diehard twins fan living in oregon and i am getting board with the web cam I would like to see something new!

Posted on January 29, 2008 at 5:38 PM by Jayme Highlight this comment 15

You are paying to buy the product the company puts out there. The Twins are a corporation, and the games are their product. Comparing the Twins to any other corporation is a fair comparison, since Target, Best Buy, 3M, and the Twins all make enough annually to build the office buildings, warehouses, and yes, stadiums needed for them to efficiently conduct their business. If we don't subsidize other privately owned corporations, why subsidize the Twins? Best Buy, Target and 3M all contribute more to our economy monetarily, yet their would be an outrage to give them money to prevent their departure, why are we doing the same for the Twins? Furthermore, the funding for this stadium is coming from the public, yet the public was not allowed a referrendum to decide the issue. This is America, our forefathers didn't fight against taxation without representation with the hopes we would be forced into the same predicament some two hundred years later. The Twins wanted their stadium, why did we not make them buy their own. This organization is turning into a toddler crying for candy, and our politicians are turing into the parents that are spoiling that puerile child. Ridiculous.

Posted on January 30, 2008 at 12:22 AM by Adam Highlight this comment 16

Adam,

Thanks for writing, but you've joined the party a little late. The deal is done. The stadium is being built. This site is dedicated to making sure that the Twins build a great baseball place -- which it looks like they are doing quite well.

You might have better luck on a Vikings board. But even there, the business of professional sports has its own rules (which often make little sense). Cities that want teams have to play by those rules.

It ain't fair.

Play ball.

Posted on January 30, 2008 at 12:32 AM by Rick 17

Adam,

You're assuming that Target, Best Buy, 3M, etc. DON'T get subsidies. They absolutely DO!

Best Buy got a huge break on their Richfield headquarters. Target is going to get a huge break on their Brooklyn Park complex. And that's just two very recent examples. How many bailouts has NWA had over the years?

So you're right. The Twins are no different than any other corporation in this respect.

Posted on January 30, 2008 at 11:45 AM by David Highlight this comment 18

Adam,

We're not going to rehash tired old tax policy debates here. Sorry. That ended when Pawlenty (anti-stadium, anti-tax, anti-progress, anti-vision, anti-compassion dude that he is) signed the bill.

Let's talk ballpark.

(If you want the official position of this blog on the subject, click my name.)

Posted on January 31, 2008 at 01:51 AM by Rick 19


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Glass going in over the Oliva gate.



Bike parking available along Second Avenue



The model still shows the Batters Eye Club, which is no longer part of the design.









From the best seat in the house (Section 8, Row A), the right field corner is blocked. (No one may care. Fine with me. People should know.)



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The rendering which excited a fan base! (Inset is an enlargement of the pictured neon sculpture.)



Revised outfield configuration (courtesy HOK Sport)



Section 331, Row 9









Look! Speakers!



TC gets ready to release the hounds. (Kids get to run the bases after Sunday games.)



Open house skeptics



573 Club


















The closed concession stand.



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Ice cream!



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Construction of the stands is moving from left to right in this image.



Cleveland



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Suite level view






Section 139, Row 8



Here is Seventh Street viewed from the west looking toward downtown. This will probably be the most pedestrian-friendly side (other than the plaza), but only if there is some psychological barrier between the people on foot and the people in their dangerously fast-moving automobiles.


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