Live at the Meeting
October 30, 2007 1:08 PM
I'm taking notes at the model unveiling and figured I'd just post them as I go along for those who may be interested.
Opat is up first.
(By the way, you can watch live on public access...)
Rick Johnson, rep for the county is putting things in context. This is the "final check-off" for the county with regards to the design.
Earl Santee is up next. He will "walk through" the model changes.
In the room: Bell, St. Peter, BPA members, Mortenson people.
- Pedestrian bridge front and center "Sixth Street Bridge"
- Landscape features, "Basca trees"(?)
- Can watch the game for free from the bridge
- Windows at the street level around the park
- "crowned with this strong canopy"
- Canopy gives "shelter" in the upper deck
- Landscape along the promenade
- LRT "Ballpark Station" 40 feet from rail to seating
- Fifth St facade, more animation provided by "pictograph elements"
- History of site, trains, baseball in Mpls
- Additonal seats in "left field porch"
- Batters Eye club gone, outfield seating all connected
- Entertainment zone for kids in the outfield
- Question about the color of the canopy, Santee says "champagne" will be the color, golden tone, complimentary to the stone
- Lights all in canopy or above the scoreboard
- Lighting is "appriproaite for this buildong"
- Renderings show the final config without the Batter's Eye Club
- Model not yet up to date
Video is quite illuminating. Hopefully this will be available on the Twins site soon...
- At least two parts of the outfield seating hang over the field!
- Planting area spans the outfield wall (did I hear that right?)
- Five entrances, five retired numbers
The commissioners apparently have to vote on approval of the design. They intend to do so next week, and Santee says that this IS the design. Tweaks are possible, but for all intents and purposes, this is it. (What does this mean?)
Sounds like HOK has to deal with suggestions from everywhere -- including county commissioners. Wow.
Dorfman is asking about landscaping.
Santee says they are focusing on pedestrian experience. He says the model shows the landscaping from a "planning perspective." Dorfman is concerned that there aren't enough trees. "This still looks pretty stark over here." (Referring to the garbage burner side.)
"Buffer to the HERC plant."
"Baseball is a spring-to-fall sport."
Opat points out that we're talking about the $390MM part, not the infrastructure portion.
"It's important to note what we cannot afford any longer." Opat with regard to land acquisition cost.
McLaughlin mentions that there's a balance going on between using the max space for the building and landscaping. Things like the Cedar Lake bike trail take up space.
Ther is an issue with "elevator redundancy" from the Northstar platform to the ballpark. Must be only one elevator. OK, this is certainly a problem, but has nothing to do with baseball...
"There's not going to be the italian sausage salesman here that you have up at Fenway..." McLaughlin, with regard to neighborhood atmosphere.
Bike racks on the promenade.
Are their security issues with the bike trail buried so deep in a tunnel beneath the facade? (Good question.)
Ed Hunter, Ballpark Authority, says that the Northstar platform will be paid for by the Northstar project. Apparently the specs only include one elevator.
Opat says that the ballpark project has made many considerations for the Northstar project, but it's time for the Northstar project to make considerations to the ballpark project.
Question about the railroad safety wall. Santee says that the relocation of the track changed the need for that. Columns are bulked up, but that's all that was necessary.
Vibrations from trains are considered within the design.
Opat asks whether this design can be built for the $390MM budget. The answer is (wait for it) "yes".
Koblick is talking about infrasturcture changes. Moving the ESB building (HERC site)?? Ah, this is just being considered. Not sure which building this is...
- 20% complete with pile driving. Scheduled to be done in February.
- Concrete columns being started
- Concrete slab in early December.
- Right on schedule right now, despite weather
- Delays caused by weather? That's already in the schedule.
Jerry Bell up next.
"The Twins are batting clean-up here." (Will cover cost overruns.)
"If we have to pay more to build this ballpark, we will not suffer on quality."
Opat says the team may not have wanted limestone on the HERC side (as an example of how decisions have been made).
"We're big on flowers. There are a lot of things we cannot do in the Metrodome..." Planters along the outfield wall -- flowers. Who would've thought? VERY COOL.
Mention of the $15MM from the Pohlads for infrastructure.
Question about minority contractors. All is well.
Dorfman asks about Santana and Hunter. Bell is clearly perturbed by Hunter filing so quickly.
Steve Cramer, Ballpark Authority, is up next.
Ballpark Authority, owners of the facility, do not run the facility. But they will have a great view of the games!
There are three street addresses for the facility.
No one from the public wants to talk.
Now a mention of people buying bricks to dedicate to family members. Sounds like they would be on the plaza, but no more information is given.
Looks like they're done with the ballpark. Everybody's leaving! (Me included.)
Lots of pictures of the model, which I'll post late tonight.
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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."
– Bernie Williams
Explore the Site
Here are 50 images chosen randomly from the 3045 found on this site. Click the image to be taken to the original post. A new list is created every 10 minutes.
The circulation ramp on Fifth Street is shaping up very quickly.
To the left, out of view, was a row of guys in very nice suits. Most I did not recognize.
Name that ballpark
And another angle looking at the overhang area of the right field pavilion. This looks to me like a great area to watch a game.
This is a good overview of the spot where the Northstar (bottom) and LRT (top) will intersect.
Target Plaza looking toward the grandstand
Bench seating? (Click to see hi-res version.)
Midway Stadium (seen from our tailgating spot across the parking lot)
This is where the main ticket office will be.
This is the LRT path looking from the ballpark site (behind me) toward downtown. The line currently ends about two blocks up this street. This bridge over I-394 is also being partially rebuilt as part of the ballpark project.
Here's the entrance from the seating bowl. It's down the outer moat, just beyond the last of the Dugout Box sections.
TC caps everywhere! (Is that you?)
A timeline of design and construction of the ballpark. (Click to enlarge. Photo by Tyler Wycoff)
This is the trapezoid (for lack of a better name) in right center. Be sure to notice section of seats just below the pavilion and above the fence (which I hadn't noticed before). For those who are interested, what looks like an old-style scoreboard is in fact a high-def video board which will look, at times, like an old-fashioned scoreboard.
Here's the view from the main concourse out through Gate 3 "Killebrew".
Clyde Doeppner proudly displays colored bricks he scavenged from the Met during its demolition. These are the colors in question!
Justin Morneau, mobbed after a game-winning homer on June 9
Future home of the Met Stadium flag pole
Concrete molds are being removed!
Dave St. Peter introducing the first physical models of the ballpark in June 2007
Kirby Jr. set to take down the last number
Photo by Tyler Wycoff
Flowers and Hall-of-Fame plaques. Very nice.
This is the left field pavilion in the original concept model. The restaurant pictured to its right has been moved, and the seating area has been extended at least one full section toward center.
Wayfinding within the B ramp is still a work in progress.
Photo by Tyler Wycoff
Click to enlarge greatly.
Integrating the administration building was really a great idea. Actually, there will be more things inside than just offices, but that will probably be some sweet space.
Ready for action.
Another over-my-head shot
Champion's Club moat (windows are found at the base of the limestone behind the seats -- not visible in this image)
BPM - Ballpark Magic
BRT - Bus Rapid Transit
DSP - Dave St. Peter
FSE - Full Season Equivalent
FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)
HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)
HPB - Home Plate Box
HRP - Home Run Porch
LC - Legends Club
LRT - Light Rail Transit
MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)
MOA - Mall of America
MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)
NYS - New Yankee Stadium
SRO - Standing Room Only
STH - Season Ticket Holder
TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium
TF - Target Field
Selected Bibliography - Analysis
First Edition (1992)
Second Edition (2006)
Selected Bibliography - Surveys
Second Edition (1987)
Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000, large coffee table)
Original edition (2000, round)
Revised edition (2006, round)
(2001, medium coffee table)
(2002, small coffee table)
(2003, medium coffee table)
(2004, very large coffee table)
(2006, very large coffee table)
Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
Book and six ballpark miniatures