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A No Photo, Web Only Tour

May 23, 2009 3:41 AM

The offer came as something of a surprise on Monday. Dan Kenney, Executive Director of the Ballpark Authority, contacted me to say that he would be taking a few other web guys on a tour of the ballpark, and he asked if I would like to join them. One condition: no photos.

Well, despite that obvious impairment, how could I say no? And that's how I got the pleasure of spending 90 minutes ogling what's new over at the ballpark with some kindred spirits whose work I've greatly enjoyed, but whom I had never met: Shane, Freealonzo, CheeseHeadCraig, JeffT and Ryan (late of Twins Chatter). (Sorry guys, but my somewhat stupid new phone -- LG Voyager -- let me down, and our group picture wasn't there when I went to download it. But hey, this was a no-photo-tour anyway, right?)

I learned a few things, and there were some great moments. Be sure to read their entries (linked above) for additional details. Since I can't show you what I saw, I'm going to have to focus on what I learned.

ATM Ticket Machines

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ATM-style ticket machines will be here

At the corner of the entrance through Gate 3/Killebrew there will be two ATM ticket machines (see photo). You just swipe your card, select your seats, and the tickets print right out.

As long as there are no annoying "service charges" for this privilege, this is the ticket purchase method of the future. (I'd love to say that the web will remain a strong medium for ticket sales, but the fees are outrageous, and the "convenience" -- for which you pay a fee -- just isn't that great. I haven't purchased tickets on the web for a couple of years for this reason. I do walk-up now, usually in the afternoon before the game, and it is plenty convenient.)

Concourse Ceilings

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Concourse ceilings (from the Ballpark Authority's May update)

This has been mentioned before, but it's a little hard to imagine. Normal ballpark concourses, such as the Metrodome, have unfinished ceilings. You look up and see all of the pipes and cables and the underside of the stadia above. Target Field's main concourse, by contrast, has a finished ceiling. It covers all of the hoo-hah, and really classes up the concourse.

Until I walked it, I did not understand how different this is, and what a positive impact it has on the overall feel of the concourse. (Enough of the structure is still visible to prevent it from becoming some sort of stale office corridor.)

Pro Shop Named

The pro shop on Seventh Street (accessible from the plaza) will be called "Twins City".

Plaza Eats

A concession stand has been added to the plaza, located just to the right of the main ticket windows. This area actually has windows both outside and inside the gates. (Oo, a picture would sure be nice here.)

Louvers

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Louver samples on display.

The wooden louvers, which will adorn the outside of the circulation ramps on both the Seventh and Fifth Street facades, have not arrived yet. According to Kenney, they are "on a boat somewhere" right now, coming from somewhere in the rain forest of South America. In addition to being unique to MLB ballpark facades, they earn points toward LEED certification (the "green" standard for buildings), which Dan is confident that Target Field will receive.

Party Deck

The rooftop party deck above the administration building will have a capacity of 150-300 people. It's hard to see how that will work without some stands up there, but it will be a great view.

In yesterday's comments, if I read it correctly, Elston Gunn reported that Dave St. Peter told him that this rooftop deck will be open to all fans. That seems a little unlikely, because I had heard at one point that it would be rentable.

Kenney told me that the fire pits are still in the plans for the deck!

Met Colors

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Clyde Doeppner proudly displays colored bricks he scavenged from the Met during its demolition. These are the colors in question!

The Metropolitan Club is being configured as a tribute to Met Stadium. One way this will be done is by using the same colors which were on the exterior panels at the Met. You may remember these as fairly bright, not necessarily attractive, but decidedly distinctive colors.

The colors will actually be carried to other places in the ballpark. But in a test run, somehow a bathroom got colored purple and gold (both Met Stadium colors!). The actual mixing and matching is apparently still being worked out.

All season ticket holders will be able to access the Metropolitan Club, and it will be available for rental for weddings and corporate events.

Atriums

Just like the entrance gates, various spaces inside the ballpark are dedicated to Twins legends. Two such spaces are the Puckett Atrium and the Carew Atrium. These spaces are a little hard to describe, and a photo or two would do wonders (without spoiling anybody's "ah-ha moments").

Each will be adorned with a large, artistic representation of its namesake. Each will have free food available. Each is accessible to both the suite level and the Legend's Club level.

The Carew Atrium is larger than the Puckett Atrium, but whereas Puckett looks out onto Seventh Street (with a great view of the Basilica dome), Carew looks out onto the HERC. The view is expansive and impressive, but it is of a garbage burner. Funds to camouflage the HERC a bit have been approved, but one can't help but fantasize about a HERC-less future when looking through these windows.

573 Details

As most of you know, the 573 Club is named after the number of career homers hit by Harmon Killebrew.

Well, apparently the team has acquired the bat that the Killer used to hit number 573 (at Met Stadium on September 18, 1975, but unfortunately while wearing a Kansas City uniform) and will display that bat prominently in this club.

They also have decided that the bar will be made of a gigantic piece of uncut ash -- a nod to the process of how a bat is made.

This is another part of the park which will be available for event rental.

LRT Schedule

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This view looks through the opening in the fence where the crosswalk will be.

The extension to the Hiawatha light rail line is scheduled to open in November of this year. Prior to that, there will be a few months of testing, and the overhead wires used for that are scheduled to go live in June. This means that all of the work on the Fifth Street facade has to be complete by that time to avoid any potential of getting zapped by the extremely high voltage line.

You may remember that, prior to the opening of the Hiawatha line, reports circulated that should a person accidentally complete the circuit by touching the overhead wire and the ground simultaneously, they would be instantly reduced to a stain of smoking goo on the ground. (Confidential to T-Wolves players: Duck.)

Dan also mentioned that the city has budgeted money to beef up the crosswalk which will be installed where fans can cross Fifth from Ford Centre. Just like the Metrodome, it will be impossible to cross the street anywhere but at the ends of the LRT platform, but the city is investing to make sure those crossings are spacious and well-appointed.

Noise

This one gets a little more subjective, but we spent some time walking around the plaza, including a trip up to the edge which will soon be attached to the walkway being built along Target Center. From there, it became quite difficult to hear each other and converse due to the traffic noise from below.

I wrote a long time ago that traffic noise was one of my early concerns. Then, after walking the plaza last fall, I dismissed it as an unwarranted concern. But I am now reinstating it.

Let's face it, the plaza is actually a bridge over a freeway. Cars and trucks make noise, and the more there are, the more noise. I'm not willing to say that this will definitely be a problem, but I am willing to keep my ears open.

Climate Control

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The glass area seen here is one of the warm-up areas.

You might not have noticed this on the model or the interactive seating locator, but if you look closely you will see several enclosed areas built at the split in the upper deck seating. These will be climate-controlled areas, open to all fans at any time, which will allow you to keep watching the game without being distracted by the elements.

I doubt that there is sufficient capacity to hold an entire crowd of 40,000, but this is not like the lifeboats on a ship. These are just for convenience, and they represent a most sensible solution to the problem of rain delays and cold games (at least for the fans).

View Level

I've been caught speculating about this before (tsk tsk), but I confirmed on this tour that the field is not visible from the View Level concourse. This was the reason given originally for adopting the split upper deck style. But once you step away from the very front edge, such as back to one of the concession stands, the field disappears.

The split does offer the ability to race up to the edge and look down when you sense that something interesting is happening, and that makes it certainly an improvement on the Metrodome. It does also lend a sense of openness and spaciousness to the upper concourse. But to suggest that you will always be able to see the game as you stroll the upper concourse is not accurate.

Stand-Up

On the main concourse level of the admin building there will be a gift shop. Its windows face out toward the action, and the team has decided to make this a standing room area where any fan can hang out and watch the game.

It's not only another climate-controlled area, but it's a real gesture of fan-friendliness.

Drilling

Drilling of the holes for seat installation has begun. The first seat is still probably a few weeks away.

Measure twice, drill once, people.

Two Minor Details

We got a look into the future Ballpark Authority offices, which are essentially the last suite down the first base line, right where the suite level connects to the Metropolitan Club. These offices are now very close to complete, and will share a restroom with the suites down at that end.

This is because the suites themselves do not have restrooms inside them. They are all located across the hallway. Dan said that the Twins' research indicated this was what women patrons preferred. Who knew?

Finally, at one point on the tour, Dan said that somewhere in the ballpark there will be fireplaces!

Great Moments

There were at least three great moments worth recounting.

* * *

After entering through a loading dock door and winding our way through a nondescript service corridor, we suddenly took a hard right through the frame of a future double-door and entered a large room that was directly beneath the newly-installed stadia. Daylight shone through a row of thin, horizontal windows at the top of the front wall, and we moved toward the light. The room was littered with the implements of construction, and we dutifully stepped over and around them.

When we emerged into the afternoon, we were standing where the front row of seats will be directly behind home plate.

The view was truly stunning.

We all looked and looked for a long moment.

A corner has been turned, and it suddenly doesn't look as much like a construction site as a ballpark. Even with plenty yet to be finished, the outline of the whole thing was there, and for the first time you can get a palpable sense of what it will be like to experience a game here.

From where we stood, looking toward the outfield stands, I was struck by how sparse it looked out there. The bulk of the ballpark was behind and above us. It's a testament to a design which places the vast majority of seats in foul territory.

Turning around and looking up, the main grandstand does loom sort of like a set of giant shoulders. Above it the canopy really does appear to float, and it looks to be a spectacular signature element -- and it looks much different from this vantage point than anything you can see on the exterior (oh, a picture right here would have been so great).

* * *

We happened to be touring on a freakishly hot and windy May day. It was the kind of day when a popup, going straight up, would likely have landed in the upper deck out in left for a gift homer. This was most evident when we reached the View Level (after climbing a long way up those circulation ramps).

As the seven of us stepped to the edge, coming to stand essentially where the accessible seating will be up there, we all instinctively reached for our hard hats. Without that security, the wind certainly could have deposited any one of them out on what's left of the parking lot asphalt.

But the howling wind also had a dampening affect on the conversation, and the parade of questions and commentary which we'd been engaged in to that point tapered off.

We all stood silent at the edge of the View Level, and looked down in a sort of semi-disbelief. Even from up there, in what will be the (relatively) cheap seats, the view was astonishing.

We stood there for a long time. And I think it's fair to say that no one wanted to be the first to move. We could have stayed an even longer time.

Someone suggested squatting until opening day.

* * *

The Town Ball Tavern is the area which juts out on the Fifth Street side, just above the Northstar circulation building (seen in the new banner at the top of the page). There will be a balcony there overlooking both the LRT station and the Northstar station. We got to stand just inside where they are currently framing up the windows.

From that vantage point, it seemed to me like railroad tracks were coming and going from every direction. It seemed like the crossroads of Minnesota, especially when you consider that additional LRT lines, commuter lines, and even high-speed rail lines will likely converge here in the coming years.

The ballpark made that possible, and its designers have tried to integrate the trains into its very bones (mostly successfully). If there ever was a doubt that this building is an important civic amenity, it can be erased by this view. (This would be a good place for a photo of that scene.)

I know there are people who think trains are a waste of money. I know there are people who think the ballpark was a waste of money. I know there are people who will never see the hopeful future represented by the view from that balcony.

But the hope is there, plain as the sunny day. That was way cool.

* * *

At one point, standing on the stadia just below the main concourse, Shane said, "Is it killing you that you can't take pictures?"

Yes, it was, mostly because I can't show all you guys -- who are into this kind of stuff and represent the source of great word-of-mouth advertising that a project like this needs -- what I saw. As you can tell from my inserted laments, nothing I wish I could have shown would have spoiled anything. It just would have made the story easier to tell, more vivid, more memorable. Isn't PR all about creating memorable images?

(Sometimes I wonder why the hell I'm doing all this free PR for the Twins. Right this minute I can't come up with an answer to that question.)

I told Shane that I was sketching furiously in my mind:

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Thanks, Dan, for setting this up! It was great to meet everybody, and it was an afternoon I will always remember.

Comments


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Awesome, Rick! Yes, pictures would definitely have been nice but you've painted a pretty good picture of the things you described--and nice artwork too. OGJeff & Ballpark Ninja perhaps you can be the "eyes" to Ricks words....

Also, the infield looks great with barely any construction equipment!

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 04:17 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 1

Rick - I have a question for you: Did you (or anyone else on your tour) ask why the installation of the stadia in the LF corner seems to have stopped/slowed recently? It would seem to me that with the playing surface being prepared of late, they would like to get the cranes off there asap, and they can't do that until the stadia is fully installed.

Thanks, Moose

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 07:57 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 2

Oh, and I mentioned this over on Baseball-Fever, but I really like the fact that they have continued the details of the canopy supports (the three beams) into the railings (from those pics the Twins released just the other day - click my name). You can see them in the railings in the upper deck, and in the vertical circulation building as well.

Moose

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 08:35 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 3

For everyone who laments the view of HERC, what do you imagine they would put there? A park? More likely, it would be some huge monstrosity of a parking garage. It is too cut off from the rest of downtown, and the site is to small to create a major draw with no parking.

Also, if they tear it down, what should they do with the TONS of garbage that is burned on a daily basis? Not to mention the amount of electricity generated, and the steam generated to heat the ballpark.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 4

Didn't realize a new post was going up - so my question below probly wont be seen - so i'll ask again:

Kevin in AZ - where were your seats for Friday nites game against the Brewers? Me and my bro were in Sec 225 row 21.

It was a great game, and a great follow-up to the 20-1 against the Sox. Man, all of a sudden in two games, the Twins got their groove back and outscored their opponents 31-4. Go figure.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM by luke Highlight this comment 5

I think the left stadia is taking some time is because it's such tight quarters for that last piece. Dan K said they would be completed in the next couple of weeks.

Great discription Rick. Hard to add anything else.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM by Freealonzo Highlight this comment 6

Rick, you should've brought some sort of court sketch-artist for renderings of the memorable spots. haha

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM by Boof Highlight this comment 7

Great report Rick (and all you other lucky dogs on the tour). Just outta curiousity, did you ask Dan what the reasoning/rationale is for this mind boggling "no pictures" policy? Was it the same company line as Kevin Smith and Scott O'Connell gave a couple weeks ago?

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM by Max Highlight this comment 8

Does anyone have a sense yet how many rows in the upper deck the canopy will cover? I'm going to be an upper-deck guy, so I'm wondering how far I should go up to keep rain off me. I'm not sure I'll decide to do that, but I haven't been able to figure out how much the canopy is actually covering.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 9

Oh, and what do people think of those 8 seats that are directly above each entrance in the upper deck? Are those going to be good seats or disasters with everyone coming in on both sides. Do other stadiums have those type of seats?

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 10

I think the 8 seat thing is kind of cool actually. I'm not sure what you mean about them being a "disaster with everyone coming in on both sides" - from the looks of it, they're only 4 seats a row.

The good part about that is that you don't have to crawl over too many people to go downstairs to get your beer from the stand. Unlike rows at the Dump - mainly in the section I was in (225) last nite, we actually moved up to row 26, just to get some breathing room. 43 seats in Sec 225 row 26. So - it'll almost be like sitting in box seats.

The Twins could actually use those four-seat rows to their advantage - they could hold them aside and sell them as family tickets. Family of four, gets their own row. Can't complain about that. Or, they could hold them aside and sell them as cheaper day-of-game tickets: like the Skyline seats in Fatlanta.

What I'm confused about is since those seats are at the bottom of the main aisle, what section numbers will they have, since they're right in the middle? As far as I know, TF is the only one to do it.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 1:20 PM by luke Highlight this comment 11

speaking of seating - can someone help me out? I know Rick did a post where he had the Metrodome seating diagram, and then a clear TF seating diagram right on top of it, to show the comparison.

Can someone post the link to that post - or a link to a comparison like that? I've been trying to find it, and now I cant. I think it used to be on the sidebar - but it's not there either.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 1:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 12

click my name. does anyone have any input on how this section will work? also, will the fans have to move every time the groundscrew comes out to do mid-game maintenance?

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 2:07 PM by pawelk12 Highlight this comment 13

I am sure the 'mid-game' groundscrew will come out of a smaller access door either in right field area or out near the bullpens.

It's usually a crew of 4-5 people and they all carry the pull behind draggers and a base.

The large access door will be used for emergencies only during games such as if an ambulance is needed on the field, the fans would all have to get up and move from that section.

That is just my guess as to how that will work, but maybe its just one of those "ah-ha" moments the Twins will reveal next year.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 14

They should put a webcam in the canopy over home plate. It would look out over the field, and the outfield section that is hidden from both cams today!

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 2:58 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 15

thanks mike for the insight.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 3:08 PM by pawelk12 Highlight this comment 16

Luke,

I was in Sec 227 Row 4. Great game. I was dogging Cuddyer when he came to bat for the first time. Right here, he hits into a DP I told my nephew. Bang, three run homer. The first time in my life I've seen a Twin hit for the cycle in person...Fun game. Hopefully this team had its wakeup call during the last road trip.

Rick, thanks for this update. You are truly a godsend to all of us who live out of town. Thanks for illustrating what you can since the Gestapos running the Twins forbid you to take any pictures. They have no idea the service you're providing for them which clearly shows what morons they are.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 17

Great update Rick - thanks!

What's your sense of the Terrace level in the infield to watch a game? Any guesses on distance from the field?

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 18

Click my name for a slideshow that show both the overlay of Target Field over the Metrodome and a side profile of how the Terrace seats map onto the Metrodome configuration.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 5:45 PM by mitts Highlight this comment 19

thanks mitts. i remember that site now - i had forgotten what it was. thanks for the link.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 5:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 20

Thanks Rick that was awesome...it just makes me more and more excited for that opening day in 2010. Its a damn shame though that they didn't allow you to use your camera.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 7:16 PM by JCE Highlight this comment 21

Thanks for the tour description Rick. You do a great service for those not in the immediate area that do not get to watch this stadium take shape. I wish the Twins would realize that your photos do not take from the fan's future surprise but if fact they whet the appetite for future visits. Keep up the good work.

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 10:25 PM by Mudcat Grant Highlight this comment 22

Damn Rick, I'm jealous of that tour and sweet banner again.

I saw this from JeffT's blog: "Kenney has his doubts, however, that baseball will allow a row of trees "swaying in the wind" in a batter's view."

I have not heard of any talks of getting rid of this. That would be very disappointing if they didn't do the pine trees. That is/would be a great touch to our ballpark. Please say this isn't true!

Posted on May 23, 2009 at 10:43 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 23

Matt - that surprised me too. I have never heard of trees in Center Field being a possible issue with MLB prior to Kenney mentioning it. The Twins have always talked about a "Minnesota flavor" to the ballpark, which included those trees.

I should have asked him to clarify, but I was too busy looking around!

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 09:40 AM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 24

I can't imagine trees being much of a problem with MLB.
Click my name for a flickr photo I found of Coors Field. They've got more shrubery out there than a wildlife preserve.

And remember old Jack Murphy Stadium? Didn't they have palm trees??

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 11:04 AM by luke Highlight this comment 25

Sid mentioned this morning in his column that DSP told him so far this year, only one game would have been delayed and none would have been postponed if the Twins played outdoors.

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 12:53 PM by BB Highlight this comment 26

That's right BB and with the weather MN is having currently, can you imagine how wonderful this Brewers series would be outdoors??? It nearly killed me to walk into that toilet on Friday night...Is it 2010 yet????

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 1:18 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 27

Does anybody have any info on the type of netting being used behind home? There's some fine state-of-the-art stuff out there (click my name, check out the Nationals and Corpus Christi Hooks Stadium pictures), wondering if that's the way the Twins are going.

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM by mitts Highlight this comment 28

I felt the same way Kev. I even said that to my brother as we were walking up to Gate E - tonight would have been PERFECT for outdoor baseball.

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM by luke Highlight this comment 29

Would love to see the netting that the Nationals use at Target Field. I haven't have been there yet, but my brother tells me that it is very unobtrusive if you sit behind it - significantly better than the average net.

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 30

they probably will. if there's a new technology that's becoming more and more of the standard, then that's whats going in at TF.

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 7:25 PM by luke Highlight this comment 31

Click on my name for video of an interview with Kevin Smith, via The UpTake. It's kind of droll at parts, but there's some still video shots of Target Field about six minutes in, and a pretty generic overview of the park.

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 7:30 PM by Andy G Highlight this comment 32

That was the gayest interview i ever saw... come on....the twins are slipping big time on the pr front

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 9:15 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 33

oh come on now mazarati! it wasn't that bad. there was a little bit of useful info provided by kevin. the interviewer considering how old he was actually wasn't half bad and seemed to know his stuff. i think that was one of those public access shows.

:-)

Posted on May 24, 2009 at 10:33 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 34

Two most interesting pieces of information in that interview:

1) Why the Twins dugout got move to the 1st base side.

2) That Kevin gets excited when he sees pictures of Target Field.

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 12:15 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 35

Jeff T - Don't blame you a bit for being to busy looking around!

Anyone know how many more at bats Mauer needs to qualify for the league lead? He's currently hitting .438

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 12:51 AM by MATT Highlight this comment 36

You couldn't have asked for better weather (and better outcomes) for that 3-game series with the Brewers!! All three nights, the weather was amazing and the games were amazing!

How depressing was that on Sunday night when ESPN opened their national broadcast showing exterior shots of the dome on the plaza with the BLUE SKY above, to only be stuck PLAYING BASEBALL INDOORS!!

I am sure I wasn't the only person dreaming about next year when we get a Sunday Night game with OUTDOOR baseball!

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 01:13 AM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 37

Beta,
im sorry my fault lol

yea i went to the sat game and the plaza was packed it was worse than the state fair! we did not go in until the 2nd inning and when we got in it was hot and sweaty! i really think we need to get mauer tested now b4 he breaks or hearts...

i am so f-ing ready to watch baseball outside .. june 26th can not come soon enough for the 10 hour drive to st loius.....

if any one wants bacilly free tickets go to the "spin the wheel" line on the plaza it costs bucks and no matter what u will get a 2 cheap seats for a buck!!! never fails i have 3 vochers but i go to so many games i cant use them.....

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 01:37 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 38

the video interview was ok. i think the interviewer was a bit slow. which i think in turn made Kevin a bit slow. I interviewed Kevin for an article I wrote about TF - and he's better than what we saw there.

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 08:00 AM by luke Highlight this comment 39

pinch hit, 2-out, 2-run homer for mauer in the bottom of the 9th to make it a 6-5 boston lead. too bad it was delmond young who came up next. mauer is just going nuts on the ball! frankly his homer to make it only a one run game made it harder to stomach today's loss. me thinks gardy is kicking himself now for keeping him out of the game until the 9th inning when it was "too late". too bad we had to field out "B" team today - no mauer, no crede, no span.

anyways, i will go ahead and say what i know everyone else is thinking as well:

delmond young = WASTE of space. i am going to give him a pass this weekend though considering what he just went through in losing his mother.

mike redmond = WASTE of space. get jose morales back up here and put redmond on the long-term dl. whatever he supposedly "brings to the clubhouse" does not justify keeping a gamer like morales down in the minors just because the cheapos in the twins front office probably don't want him to get major league "service time" up with the big club.

little nicky punto = A COMPLETE WASTE. i don't even care about his fielding prowess anymore - which seems to be digressing - he is an absolute liability at the plate and has come up far too many times the last two years with runners in scoring position only to pop-up to the infield or hit into a double play time after time after time. it is time for them to ship nick punto out, if that is at all possible. if was fun while it lasted nick, which wasn't very long.

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 4:53 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 40

Beta,

I could not agree with you more!

Cuddy is just now starting to earn his pay check...and wtf is this whole Bucher thing all about? is be banging gardys daughter? he sucks im tired of seeing him and his 0-4's

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 8:59 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 41

Im not a big fan of Brian Buscher either, but what choice does Gardy have? its either Punto or Buscher... Joe Crede was out for todays game.

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 42

Punto needs to go, along with his .182 batting average.

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 43

I agree with Beta, Nick Punto is absolutely a waste of space. I think he was the reason the Twins lost to the Yankees last Saturday, being up in the count 3-1 with runners in scoring position and 2 outs, instead making the pitcher throw strike 2 he moron has to pop out and end the inning. Punto serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 10:52 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 44

I agree Beta, however the bottom line is...PITCHING! Liriano, Can you say bullpen? Perkins, 8th inning set up guy? Who's the next closet thing to be ready at Triple A? Get rid of the dead weight in the pen!! kev can give you the names and accolades of those "wastes."

Are we going to see the first seat installed this week?

Posted on May 25, 2009 at 11:27 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 45

i disagree on Punto... he's a nightmare at the plate... but I'll take a Mendoza hitter who can actually get down a bunt (as opposed to say Gomez) and take away a run or two every game with his defense. I used to get really pissed about Punto until I was reminded that he's really not much different then say Greg Gagne.

As for Buscher... augh... awful. and Delmon Young is only 23... i dont see what's wrong with putting him in Rochester until he finds something...

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 01:56 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 46

I actually like Punto a lot in the field, he's always on the Web Gems with some sick-ass plays in the field, although his bat sucks. He can be pinch hit for in a close game.

Delmon needs to go down to AAA, PERIOD! He looks like a chicken running around with his head cut off in LF. I remember when people were saying they were gonna get rid of Cuddyer(over Delmon?)

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 02:46 AM by Tom OG Highlight this comment 47

Great tour, Rick. It's crazy - we're well over halfway to being done!

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 09:19 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 48

i knew there would be an about-face on the "we don't cooperate with blogs" bit. well done, rick.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 49

Great writeup, Rick! The Twins should hire you as their official blogger, and let you write a story a week on THEIR blog. The Twins official photographer should accompany you on your tours and take all the pictures/videos you want.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 50

Great idea Dave, unfortunately the stadium is nearly done already. I know Rick doesn't feel the same about football stadiums, but perhaps if it were a part time paid position he would do it for the Vikings if/when they ever get it built. Rick is certainly well qualified.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 12:14 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 51

"T" for logo above the scoreboard lying in left center field.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM by Third Webcam Highlight this comment 52

Excuse me, right center.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM by Third Webcam Highlight this comment 53

Man, I was hoping they would change the logo back to the 60's font. Would've been a nice "ah-ha" moment to see the old school logo getting installed on the scoreboard.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 2:55 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 54

I totally agree Lafferty. I was hoping the old school cursive font would be used.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 3:22 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 55

yep, i wanted the team to return to the original script and not keep the 80's update. the original logo and everything else to do with the team's 60's years is classic. just go back to the uni's of those 60's teams. they don't need to pay any consultants or do marketing studies, just turn back the clock.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 3:57 PM by tim Highlight this comment 56

Anyone have any pictures (or links to) of turf installation at TCF Bank Stadium?

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 4:03 PM by Jason Highlight this comment 57

Jason, there is a youtube video out there posted today that shows the field. The entire playing surface has been installed they just need to finish the sidelines. Google TCF Bank Stadium and look under video, or to save time, click my name.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 4:07 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 58

Delmon can't be sent to tripleA.

Punto actually isn't a great bunter, either.

The pitching will come around. Then we'll just have to focus on ripping the bullpen.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 4:18 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 59

the "ins" and underline of the Twins logo is up on the scoreboard.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 4:20 PM by BB Highlight this comment 60

I know this has already been discussed, but the Twins formally announced plans for the legacy wall today. Unfortunately, no mention of the Washington Senators in the piece.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM by Pikachu Highlight this comment 61

let Washington honor the Senators, I say. I believe the Nationals pay tribute in their new park. They've been here longer anyway

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 62

Well, isn't that just another one of those "a ha" things that our friend Rick spilled the beans about already, the Twins are just making it public.
and I think it just sucks that we're keeping that god-awful 80s logo and plastering it on the light stanchion above the scoreboard. and its apparent by posts here that the unis won't see much of a change either.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM by luke Highlight this comment 63

great TCF Stadium vid link as well. It seems to me that it's sort of a split level thing going on, with just the main concourse, and stairwells up to the tunnels in the upper level - in lieu of an upper concourse?

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 64

Drove into downtown this afternoon. There is an "S" attached to the top of the scoreboard. Current logo font. Bummer, Like some mentioned above, I was really hoping for a return to the original script logo. Because of this, I have very strong doubts that they will be using the old script on next years jerseys.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM by John Highlight this comment 65

I think there is still hope for the jerseys, they'll just use it as an alternate like they do this year with the throw backs. I can understand why they kept the updated version of the logo since it's been the logo for twenty years now.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 66

WTF is that logo being used!!?!?

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:40 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 67

yeah, well the "old" twins script was the logo for 26 years (1960-1986) which gives it precidence over the 1987 twins script (22 years in my book.

seriously, who are the dolts in their marketing dept. that think the "M" hat and 1987 twins script are so endeared by the general public?!?! take it back to the old twins script on home/road jerseys and use only the "TC" hats. there issue solved and it didn't cost the twins some fancy marketing "guru" fee!

:-)

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM by betaband Highlight this comment 68

Keep in mind, though, that just because they keep the current wordmark, does not necessarily mean the old uniforms won't come back. Look at how the New York Giants went to their 1960s/70s uniforms several years ago, but kept their 1980s-era wordmark, which sort of clashed with the curved "NY" logo.

Yes, I understand a football uniform is different from a baseball uniform because of the prominent wordmark on a baseball jersey vs. the tiny wordmark (if any) on a football jersey, but still something to consider.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 5:47 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 69

Why do we need the old unis? They were nice, but they're a piece of the past, and they don't need to be brought into the current era. These aren't the Twins of the 1960's, they don't need to borrow their history. These Twins deserve to establish their own identity, and I feel both eras are better served by separating the uniforms. This retro craze is getting out of hand. We didn't want a retro stadium, why do we feel the need to have retro unis? History is odd in that we seem to always feel nostalgic for that which is just too distant to clearly remember, but demonize the immediate past. Going back to the old unis only guarantees that in 20 years there will be a group of fans complaining about why we should go back to the 90's era uniform.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 6:37 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 70

Actually, the Tradition Wall was announced some time ago. Season ticket holders had the opportunity to purchase an inscription for a $50 discount for the last couple weeks.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 6:39 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 71

"We didn't want a retro stadium, why do we feel the need to have retro unis?"

Because the retro Twins logo is awesome.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 7:33 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 72

i was at progressive field monday night for the indian's epic comeback against the rays. it was a windy night but clear night and a fantastic game.

the massive scoreboard and fireworks for homeruns make me hate the metrodome even more...

they also had a hall of fame for indians players hidden away in center field. i had no idea it was there until i was wandering around before the game.

click on my name for pictures

we all were impressed by the amount of food options there were there but i couldn't believe how hard it was to find nachos. i walked all over and no one knew where they were. it made me a little mad.

otherwise it's a pretty sweet stadium right next to the "q" where the cavs play. i am excited that we will have our own sports complex starting next year.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 73

ac - amazing pix as usual.
tell me, how does that mammoth board at Progressive Field (which I believe is the largest in the MLB) compare to the one at TF, in regards to overall size?

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 8:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 74

They just showed the scoreboard installation on the FSN telecast -- wish I had a screencap! The logo font is NOT the same as the current one. The serifs are more pointed. Looks like a revised, modernized version of the 80s logo. Bizarre.

Its not radically different, and at casual glance you wouldn't necessarily notice it. I'm a designer so I tend to notice these things though :)

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM by Tom in Omaha Highlight this comment 75

Gotta echo everyone else, very disappointed in the current script going on the scoreboard. I too really wish it was our old font, otherwise start a new era for the new park.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 8:28 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 76

Sorry for the second post here, guys, but I was able to rewind my DVR and snag a pic of the new logo on the scoreboard. Or at least, the "n" and the "s". They must be holding back the rest of the logo as an "Ah-ha!" moment!

Note the modified serifs, which are much sharper particularly on the "s".

Click my name for the pic.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 8:32 PM by Tom in Omaha Highlight this comment 77

Wow that's a good find Tom. Didn't even notice that, I went back on my DVR and paused it. You're right it is slightly modified, a very subtle update.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 78

Thanks for that pic Tom. Ya, I see what you mean about the S. And it seems to me, that the curvature on the N is a little tighter, and not as rounded, as the current one...maybe that's just me.

As far as the unis go, and as much as I honor the troops and am grateful for what they've done for this country, I hope the Twins don't follow suit of many other MLB teams (i.e. the Padres) and make a camoflauge uni.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 8:53 PM by luke Highlight this comment 79

luke - The Progressive board is 149x36 (5364 sqft), but the Twins scoreboard will be the fourth largest in MLB - the largest is actually at Kauffman (105x84 ft - 8820 sqft), #2 Chase in Arizona (144x55 ft - 7920 sqft) #3 is new Yankee Stadium (101x59 ft - 5959 sqft) and, then Target Field (101x57 - 5757 sqft).

Kind of hard to quantify that - the Jake - sorry, Progressive's - is wider, but shorter. Target Field's will be slightly larger overall...

Moose

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 9:25 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 80

yeah, that's what i was thinking, even looking at the pic, the Twins' is higher as opposed to long. but then they say that it'll be 9 times the size of the one at the Dome now...that's what gets me. the one I think is the worst is the one at Great American BallPark in Cincy, thing seems so long and narrow, and almost darn near impossible to read...
I forgot about the one at Kauffman. That is a nice board.

You're like me, it'll always be Jacobs Field to me...

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 9:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 81

For those of us who played town ball or legion ball this would be a very sad thing if it was allowed to happen. MN DOT is proposing tearing down Chaska's ballpark for a crossing over the Minnesota River. Click my name for the strib story.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 82

Legacy, I see your point, and your entitled to your opinion, but the original uniforms were very classy and traditionally simple in design. Many teams have returned to pre 70's uniforms and I for one think that is a good thing. Baseball got away from it's traditions for a long long time. For me and others it's nice to see it coming back.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 9:52 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 83

That slightly tweaked Twins wordmark going up on the sign seems pretty ominous. You can bet it's only the tip of the iceberg, and we'll see a much larger revamp of Twins' visuals in the offseason. Unis, patches, maybe caps and batting helmets. I actually don't hate that screen capture. It seems a step up from the 80s/90s logo.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 10:19 PM by Nick in CO Highlight this comment 84

Anyone know for sure if the Twins are using the netting technology like that used in the Nationals park? My seats are in row 8 behind the plate and I'd like to know if I'll be annoyed by the net.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 10:38 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 85

Eric,

Yeah I heard that a few weeks ago, would be an ultimate tragedy if it were to happen. There has to be some protests and testimony strongly against this at all applicable meetings.

Anyways I love Delmon Young and his fist pumps to fans, I'm really starting to like this guy. Nice efforts by Young today though, kind of felt bad for him.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 86

Thanks for the TFC video link Eric.

And thank you Tom for the screen grab from the telecast with the logo being installed.

Posted on May 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM by Jason Highlight this comment 87

jfh: Are you in the Champions Club or the Home Plate Box Seats?

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 12:25 AM by Max Highlight this comment 88

Max: Home Plate Box.

As nice as I think the Champions Club will be, I can't ever manange to pick the right Powerball numbers and that's the only way I could afford those seats for a full season. And if I could, I wouldn't settle for the 8th row :)

I missed seats in row 4 by about an hour and a half - still haven't gotten over that. But I really can't complain about what I ended up with.

It's pretty amazing how little is left in the Home Plate Box sections as full season selection seems to be winding down.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 02:05 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 89

I read about the Chaska thing in the paper this morning. Curses to "eminent domain"!

Nick, I hope you're right. I wouldn't mind seeing a re-vamped corporate identity for the Twins.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 07:53 AM by luke Highlight this comment 90

nice find on the script difference. the "S" is different, it's subtle but at least they're going to modify what we've been seeing for 20 years. i know some people really like the red caps but i was never a big fan of the team introducing so much red into the logo and uniforms.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 08:16 AM by tim Highlight this comment 91

Luke, not sayin' they look great, but this state would probably make a fortune selling camo jerseys-- seems like camo is the new black in Minnesota. I agree with the others that retro script would have been a safe pick -- especially since we can claim 2 of the country's worst uni's in our hockey and basketball team that seem to embrace the modern logo philosophy of trying to depict an entire scene on the front of a mesh jersey... trees in the uni trim??? Seriously??? if you have too much time on your hands and want to see more bad uniforms, please click the link and scroll down.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 08:53 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 92

I think (but can't substantiate) that Calvin Griffin retained the rights to the TC logo and a bunch of other stuff when he sold the team to the Pohlad family in 1984. Maybe the reason they haven't gone back to the retro stuff is because they have to pay royalties each time they are used... just a thought...

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 09:03 AM by Aaron Highlight this comment 93

I think they're keeping the same look because we won 2 World Series Championships in them.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM by MATT Highlight this comment 94

Aaron - that wouldn't make any sence, since the TC logo, and old script stuck around until 1986. Why would Pohlad buy the team, but not the rights to the logo? And, even if he did, why use it for two more years before switching to the current identity? And then, why pay to use said logo every home game (for the caps), and every time they put on those retro uni's?

Moose

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 10:15 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 95

I don't know why people are so suprised or shocked about the Twins script on the scoreboard. The most recent scoreboard renderings showed the Twins script being used.

I personally like the TC logo over the Twins script, but I think that the Twins script fits much better into the overall scoreboard design. The TC logo would look way to small next to that huge scoreboard.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 10:21 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 96

well thank god we don't have 8 billion logos like the white sox.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 97

I like the idea of just slightly varying the current Twins script. I don't like the idea of going backwards to the old Twins script. I'm excited to see what the rest of it looks like on the scoreboard.

I also hope we permanently dump the "M" logo and stick with the "TC" full time...

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 98

Personally the logo/uniforms/hat designs isn't real important to me. Wins and Losses on Target Field are what matter.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM by Max Highlight this comment 99

well max id say your in the inferior if u think that way, i mean wins and losses are important to everyone, but if your saying a baseball uni isnt important,thats fine, but to most baseball fans it is, i mean how the hell can it not, just look at one of the worst uni in sports in my opinion, the titans, they win games, but there jerseys are horrific,

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM by damb unis Highlight this comment 100

knock, knock, rick, post my url of the turn ahead the clock uniforms...

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 101

oh i think the jersey design would be important if the twins showed up in this absurb uniform.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 102

Here are some "leaked" Twins uniforms for next year.

I found these about a week ago, but I can't remember where. I did not make them. I repeat, I DID NOT MAKE THEM.

The only ones I like are the 1961 style, minus the red hat. Some of the others look decent, but I love the fact that the Twins have pinstripes on BOTH home and away uniforms. Only a couple teams have that.

What do you think.

PS. Let me know if the link doesn't work, because I'll try and get them on here. They are worth looking at.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 1:22 PM by steve a Highlight this comment 103

wow those are some horrible designs for uniforms. That M is worse than the current M they use. stick with the TC and you cant go wrong...

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 104

Yeah, they are bad. I like the idea of using the same uniforms we have now, but swapping the current script for the old script in red. It would be a minor change, but it would look very classy.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM by steve a Highlight this comment 105

That's fraudulent.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 106

probably.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM by steve a Highlight this comment 107

WE NEED NEW PICS .... twins pr dept. be damned
p.s. The MLB prohibits sponsors on any part of the uniforms for players and umps etc

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM by pf386 Highlight this comment 108

Steve a ,
I saw that link about 4 months ago .. its just some dude making designs... the target ones are jokes ...

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 109

those are all fake. i think we discussed it either here or at baseball fever several months ago right after it was announced as target field.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 2:38 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 110

I figured as much after seeing the Target ones... notice the " " around leaked.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM by steve a Highlight this comment 111

Moose:

I stand corrected. I looked up the copyright, and the Twins Partnership is the current owner of the TC logo (see link, at least I had some fun digging through it when I should have been working)... I just have this story in my head that the uni change in 1987 was in response to a copyright dispute between Pohlad and Griffith.

It ties with a (now suspect) story about Griffith being upset that Dayton's was selling faux Twins jerseys back in the day, and so he worked to get the MLB logo (using Killer's profile) placed on "authorized" merchandise.

Guess I figured that business trumping nostalgia was a plausible explanation for the disagreed upon font-type at the new stadium.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 2:50 PM by Aaron Highlight this comment 112

shoot... guess the link expires... the serial number is: 1210584, if you are looking on the TESS search engine. (Accessed through: http://www.uspto.gov)

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM by Aaron Highlight this comment 113

"I think they're keeping the same look because we won 2 World Series Championships in them"

God I hope so, the 1960s and 1970s are over! I prefer the current Unis minus the "M" caps. Also, the away uniforms have to say "MINNESOTA" on them, the old ones didn't, and that sucked. Even the Orioles finally came around to putting "BALTIMORE" on their away uniforms. Away unis without the City/State name represented just plain suck! Case and Point, Angels, Rays, Phillies, and Brewers.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 3:25 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 114

On an opposite note, look how stupid the Rangers look with "Texas" on their home unis.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 115

Aaron - I hate to keep disputing you, but the MLB logo is not Killebrew (click my name for a Wall Street Journal story about the designer). Sorry, but logos/uniforms are a hobby of mine...

Moose

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 3:44 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 116

Not to get back to this no picture policy that has been issued by the Twins, but I just have a few questions.

Does the Twins organization really have the power to issue a no picture policy for Target Field? Has there been an official release of this, or has this information only been discussed in general conversion through email by a few select people? If pictures are taken of Target Field will all material be confiscated? Will charges be made? I ask these questions because it would be so nice to have more updates with pictures of Target Field. People use to post links to their photo galleries of Target Field, but I haven't seen any lately. I am going through withdrawal here.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 4:16 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 117

I rather would have the TC mark on all hats and retire the 80's M. As far as the "new" wordmark goes, I prefer the 60's script to this, but I don't mind it one it.

There are two changes I would make to the road uniforms:
1)Change the Minnesota to a script design(ala the 60's).
2)Drop the pinstripes.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM by Pikachu Highlight this comment 118

I'd love to see the pinstripes go.

And the 90's Twins script isn't the end of the world, I just thought the Twins would want to take this opportunity to make a nice change and move forward with an improved look.

Still could happen, I suppose.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 4:36 PM by OG Jeff (aka the uniform bird) Highlight this comment 119

I like the pinstripes so I say keep em.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 4:45 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 120

The Twins need to drop the pinstripes on the road uniforms and remove the names from the back of the home jerseys.

I agree with the city/state being on road uniforms. The Tampa Bay Devil Rays had really nice uniforms with the green, until they changed last year and went with the much too common blue. The change brought success to that team. (or was it due to Billy Smith giving them both Garza and Bartlett?)

The Brewers have a "Milwaukee" patch on their road sleeves, so it would be nice if they used that same script on front of their road uniforms.

The Texas Rangers are changing something with their uniform each and every year it seems.

The Angels seem to be in an identity crisis trying to decide between California/Anaheim/Los Angeles of Anaheim.

I applaud the Twins for sticking with the current look. It doesn't seem like they have had the current look since 1987 as it has not gotten too old. A very simple/unique logo with great colors.

I think they are doing the right thing in modifying them as its a new era come 2010. It also marks the 50th anniversary in Minnesota.

While it's no longer the 60's era or Metrodome era, it will be nice to start a new era next year in Target Field with Justin Morneau, Joe Mauer, Scott Baker, and Kevin Slowey to name a few.

We will just all have to wait and see when the Twins present us with the next "ah ha" moment regarding the uniforms for 2010. I am also anxiously awaiting the 50th anniversary patch and Target Field Inaugural Season patch. I do know all teams need to submit their final uniform designs for 2010 by the end of May 2009 in order to make the 2010 MLB style guide, which is released in the fall.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 4:50 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 121

Personally, I like the fact that the names are on the backs of the jerseys. That's one thing I hate about the Yankees - can't tell who is who. I know a lot of folks memorize who's playing what position and so they know who each player is, but not all of us do. I also think it's a bit more humanizing/friendly with the names because without them they player is reduced to just a number. Too often in today's world people are nothing more than numbers, so maybe that's why I'm a bit attached to having the names on the unis.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM by Jeepboy Highlight this comment 122

Last night, I had a thought about the whole uni thing, and what other teams have done in the past upon entering new parks. Most of the teams that I could think of, instead of completely re-vamping the logo/corporate identity, they usually did subtle enhancements, or even no change at all. I.E. the Braves, moved to Turner several years ago, and they still have the same logo, just some slight enhancements. The Tribe went from a block letter to a script logo on the unis in 1994 when they moved to the Jake, but Chief Wahoo still lives. The Mariners, Tigers, Pirates just to name a few, made small changes upon entering the new parks. The only ones I can think of that overhauled their entire look were the Padres, Brewers and the Rangers. So, the Twins are seemingly following the trend and just making slight adjustments...

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 5:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 123

That article is interesting, Moose. Even Harmon thinks that the logo is him. He said at a signing that it was him even though MLB would never admit it because of royalties. Now I don't know what to believe, unless MLB told the designer that is confidential. Killer said he wouldn't even want royalties, but he still thinks it is cool...

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM by Tom OG Highlight this comment 124

hmm - with only 4 days remaining in May, I wonder if there will be some big, "a ha" press event on Friday or Saturday in regards to uniforms and patches and everything??

I certainly hope the Twins have a better designer for their commemorative patch than the one that was hired by the Mets. The inaugural uni patch for Citi Field looks cheap and unoriginal. I think the Mets also have a different one for the tickets...which is strange.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 6:26 PM by luke Highlight this comment 125

Steve - Those uniform mockups are from Alright Hamilton several months ago. They were made for fun.

I think updating the current script is the worst possible thing they could do. Either roll back to old school or keep what ya got. I'm dreading the release of the full uni.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 126

That Alright Hamilton link that Elston put up, the ones I hate are 5 and 6 - they look like Little League uniforms. Yuck.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 7:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 127

Dang, sent a message at work and it didn't go through, to start here is a quote:

"Now 76, Mr. Dior is retired. He says he enjoys seeing his creation whenever he and his wife, Lita, watch his favorite team, the Yankees. He has one regret: Major League Baseball has never acknowledged his contribution. No team has invited him to throw out the first ball at a game. Mr. Dior has petitioned MLB for recognition, although he admits to not possessing any visual evidence of his work."

I think this certainly leaves the door open for Killebrew, I think that's what most people with any knowlege on it beleives, It's what I've always beleived and was proud of it too. I'm going to side with Killebrew on this one if only for sentimental reasons. If it's true, it kind of feels like when I learned Santa Clause doesn't really fly the skies. This guy could just be doing this to profit, with no evidence except one guy vouching for him, isn't very a convincing argument.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 128

Moose,

The twins front office say it is killebrew on the mlb logo.. the triva guy always ask's that question everytime im on the plaza and they read the questions from a offical twins publication the "game notes" from the season ticket holders club( old rally room) also it comes in the scorecards

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 129

From Sid's latest column:

The Twins will open Target Field with exhibition games April 2 and April 3 against National League foes who are opening the regular season close to this area. The Cubs, Dodgers or Cardinals are three possible teams that might fill the dates. The Twins are scheduled to open the 2010 season on April 12.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM by downfall Highlight this comment 130

It's nice that Sid can call Beloit a "Class AA" team and no one catches it before it goes out, since they're the Twins' low A team. Don't know whether to congratulate the online(or print) proof readers/whoever lets the stuff get published, or Sid for just being around so long that they just say "just print whatever he wrote".

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 10:22 PM by Ffej Highlight this comment 131

Hopefully the Twins keep the current uni's. Maybe throw in an alternate from back in the 60's for Saturdays or Sunday's. I think they need to go back to road "MINNNESOTA" script for the blue alternate too. The "TWINS" script should be for home only.

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 10:29 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 132

Hmmm, its hard to say what the truth behind the logo is. Harmon is very adamant that the logo is of him here is a quote:

“I was in the commissioner’s office one day in the late 1960s. I can’t remember the specifics, but I think it had something to do with a litho they were doing for the National Kidney Foundation. Anyway, I walked through the back part of the office, and there was a man sitting at a table. He had a photograph of me in a hitting position, and he had one of those grease pencils that you see at a newspaper, and he was marking that thing up. I said, ‘What are you doing with that?’ and he said they were going to make a new Major League Baseball logo.”

The story: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/081118

Posted on May 27, 2009 at 11:12 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 133

Lots of love for Punto on Rube Chat tonight. My gosh, he can't even Sacrafice right. Why does Gardy love this guy again? It can't be his fielding because he's been horrid at that also tonight.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 12:38 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 134

The Ballpark Authority has a video that explains some of the pedestrian enhancements they are working on.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 07:13 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 135

was at the game Tuesday and we left out one of the back gates were the twins parking lot is, my buddy really wanted to stand there and try to get the pics of the players as they left... well long story short punto is a prick he would not even look at us neither would old azz redmond.. gomaz and big papi left together papi waved to us and smiled atleast...tolbert took a pic with us and signed for a kid.. everybody else would not even look in our direction.. we were 2 feet away from the about 12 people...nathan wanted nothing to do with us, then when get drove pass we gave him shit and he rolled down his window and and said" send the kid over" so the kid got a ball signed so that was better that nothing.. but man punto was acting like he was a all star...

Denard Span came out it was like 11:45pm he was on his cell phone and shut it off and took pics with me my buddy and these 2 dudes on a 5 ballpark in 6 days tour... he talked to us for like 5 mins signed our tickets and said he noticed us in our seats ( we were yealling "lets get D-narted in here" in my 1st row home run porch seats and gave us a fist pump.. and he remembered us from 2 hours earlier during a game!! that is class! totally cool dude its nice to see that there is atleast 1 guy out there that knows what makes the game go .. the fans

heres to Denard Span!

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 10:50 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 136

Kirby Puckett - Torii Hunter - Denard Span
I believe I heard somewhere that their were some lessons passed down along the way. It's too bad Kirby isn't around to teach young Punto a thing or two.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 137

I'm not sure if it is Killebrew on the MLB logo, but it is fun to speculate. I don't know that anyone can confirm or deny for sure. It is really interesting to talk about, though.

As to the "Twins" script over the scoreboard... my new theory is that after a Minnesota win, the "T" and "S" will blink, alternating "Twins" and "Win". It would be more difficult to do this with scripted lettering.

Remember when they lit the offices on the IDS turning it into a gigantic twins win billboard? Those were the days.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM by Aaron Highlight this comment 138

I remember in 2000 when Johan Santana was a rookie...he would sign autographs for each and every fan standing out there after games. I have several Johan autographs from that season.

David Ortiz and Corey Koskie also signed a lot of autographs that year.

The times have sure changed, thats a given.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 11:33 AM by Jason Highlight this comment 139

That opening in left field is for construction equipment to leave and enter the stadium field during construction. Once everything is done inside the stadium, that area will be filled with stadia.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 140

I had read (somewhere on here, I believe) that that section will have a hydraulic lift so vehicles can have access to the field.

also, I noticed on my way to work that the whole "Twins" logo is up on the board now

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 141

Wow, in more original post I said Delmon Young was cool out in left, completely meant Span, wow. Anyways I wouldn't mind this ignoring you all that much, wherever they go they get people fawning over them, and they probably just want to get home after a game. It's not like Span and Tolbert have been up at the Major Leage level for long.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 12:10 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 142

Camden-

I completely agree. First, I don't understand why grown men would want to chase down ballplayers for autographs and pictures, anyways. Seems kind of childish, to me. If a kid wants a signed ball, fine. And if I'm a player, that's who I sign for...kids. Especially, if there is a group.

People need to remember that players are human, too. They could be in a hurry to get somewhere (maybe their own child's b-ball game, for example), or just in a bad mood at the time. Maybe they feel like if they sign one, then they need to sign a bunch and they just don't have the time.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 143

Its childish? What is wrong with a fan of a team and player to want their autograph? I get them all the time. I dont sell them, I just keep them for my own collection, and I enjoy them.

Yes they are humans, but they are also getting paid millions of dollars playing a game, that we the fans pay for their salaries. I can understand not signing all the time, or a lot, but that comes with the territory as an athlete.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 1:34 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 144

I met Torii Hunter one time at a fitness center he was working out during a Twins caravan. He was the classiest guy, he sat and b.s. with me for a half hour. Anybody got any pics to post, I am going thru withdrawals.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 1:44 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 145

Vikeologist-

This is just my opinion. I guess I just never understood the thrill of getting an autograph.

You're right, because they are in the public eye - losing a little bit of privacy is the price they pay...However, calling someone out because they didn't sign an autograph when you asked them is stretching things. What if they normally sign, but for some reason that day they simply didn't have the time? Maybe they had to get home in a hurry for a personal reason.

Professional athletes don't "owe" it to fans to sign autographs and always be available for autographs and pictures. If I'm an athlete, I would try to sign for kids every opportunity I got...but I would be a little more skeptical of signing for grown adults, many of whom use it as a money making venture. You say that you don't, but how does the athlete know that?

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 2:32 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 146

Click my name for a few pics taken Wednesday from atop the Minnikahda Building.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 2:34 PM by Freealonzo Highlight this comment 147

Nice pics. Thanks!

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 148

I don't sweat the autograph "mood swings" too much. Barry Bonds once autographed a ball for - and he was super cool about it...chatty, laid back, etc. I'm keen enough to know he's not always like that, but on any given day guys can be in a funky mood.

Last night my amateur ball team got crushed. I was so pissed after my own performance that I wanted to break 10 watercoolers...it would be tough to chat with people and sign when you're in that type of mood, so I give credit to guys that do.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM by OG Jeff (aka the uniform bird) Highlight this comment 149

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[i]I was dispatched to the outer reaches of the ballpark on September 18th, 2008. Since then I have had little to no communication or support with my home base, The Minnesota Twins. I was deployed to gather images and relay progress of Target Field back to the Twins website, which I have faithfully continued to do. However, at this time there are multiple obstructions blocking my view of the park, rendering me useless and obsolete. Continued requests to move me to other more advantageous areas have gone unnoticed. Earlier this month I received word of a "no picture" policy by my home base, which has me worried and confused to the purpose of my existence.

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Posted on May 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM by 2nd webcam (aka the uniform bird) Highlight this comment 150

I went to a game a couple years back against the Braves with a buddy who's never been to a game. We waited for some of the ball players to come out to take some pics and there was probably 50-70 people out waiting. Nathan was kind enough to go around and sign everything that people gave him and take pics with a few people. I want to say he was out there for about 45 min to an hour. I thought that was really impressive especially after Radke didn't even wave to anyone.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 3:38 PM by Nikc Highlight this comment 151

Aaron, i was thinking the exact same thing with a Twins win light feature on the scoreboard logo.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 3:47 PM by BB Highlight this comment 152

Freealonzo,

your pictures aren't coming in right on your blog.

Just wanted you to know.[/i]

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 4:12 PM by Pikachu Highlight this comment 153

I saw the Twins scoreboard logo this PM, travelling west on 394. My God, the thing looked wonderful. Even from a mile away, I could still see the light stanchion and the logo in bright Commie red.

Wonderful job...

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 154

i bet youd like to jack off to it too huh luke? your a wierd dude

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 5:31 PM by really? Highlight this comment 155

Mother F..k no! Who's the weird one, with a suggestion like that?
lol.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 5:39 PM by luke Highlight this comment 156

he is right luke, most of your posts sound like your wetting your pants when you talk, kinda funny

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM by firedog (aka really?) Highlight this comment 157

Oh for God's sakes, I'll be serious from this time forward. Happy now?

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 6:17 PM by luke Highlight this comment 158

by the way, your right luke the scoreboard does look sweet, imagine looking at it coming down 394 at nite

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 6:19 PM by firedog (aka really?) Highlight this comment 159

Pics of the Twins logo on the scoreboard can be found by clicking the link.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 6:23 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 160

thats funny firedog, u make almost the same comment I do, yet...
I thought that as well, coming east into downtown, TF will be a welcome sight.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 161

You can see the support for the budweiser sign on top of the rooftop bar on webcam 2. It'll look cool but a local brew would add character.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 7:33 PM by Jobu Highlight this comment 162

Pikachu, I'm having no problems with the pics and I know others have seen them too.

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM by Freealonzo Highlight this comment 163

As for the autographs, you have to think about all the times they are hounded. For more than half the year they are in the spotlight, playing an exhausting game. You also have to think that they may avoid the fan for autographs some of most of the time, but I can assure you that they do not do it ALL of the time. All the guys you have mentioned, I have either gotten autographs from, or if they sign for kids only, still carry on a conversation. Go to all 81 home games and then tell me what you find. Maue and Morneau have been the hardest for me to get autgraphs after the game, however they have signed for a few kids, but the times they don't there is usually a good reason (loss, late game, day game next morning, heading out of town, etc.) Nathan, Cuddyer, and Gardy have been by far the best in my experiences. Nathan, even carried his daughter while signing and she was interacting with the fans. The worst I have ever seen was Denny Hocking, never even waved to the fans, and was a jerk, most will wave, or say sorry guys I can't tonight. I have even had Cuddyer say, not tonight, tomorrow guys, and sure enough he did. By the dugouts Cuddyer gave a girl a bat, and later signed it after the game, and Gardy took a handful of bubble gum before the game and threw it to the fans. Cut them some slack guys!

Posted on May 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 164

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