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February 17, 2011 12:08 PM

"They can't do that!"

This was Victoria's response when I told her that the Twins have discontinued the Sunday afternoon game broadcasts which have been one of our great summer weekend joys. I haven't told Noah yet, but I have a hunch that when I do, there may be crying in baseball. (It will be a teachable moment.)

But I'm going to set aside my own personal disappointment in the decision as much as I can to put it in the context in which it needs to be seen: This decision is the TV equivalent of dumping all the cheap seats at Target Field.

You can't blame the team for wanting the most lucrative deal possible, of course, in the same way that you can't blame them for wanting to get the most bucks out of each ticket sale. But "today" dollars always have to be considered in the context of "tomorrow" dollars. The Twins have clearly decided that there is no tomorrow for broadcast TV, mostly because, well, everybody else is doing it. Here's DSP explaining the decision in an email response to one of our readers:

Thanks for the e-mail. We truly appreciate you taking the time to share your perspective on Twins television.

Rest assured, the decision to convert all games to FS North was not an easy one for the baseball team. We fully understand the importance of accessibility of our product. That said, the move to cable/satellite exclusivity is a trend we are seeing in all sports. Clearly, the Twins and FS North made the decision we felt was in the best interest of our respective groups.

Again, we appreciate your comments and concerns. We will be certain to keep your thoughts in mind when shaping future broadcast-related strategies.

Win Twins!!!!

It's not really much of an explanation. The Twins are usually leaders, not followers, and there has to be more to it than that. Could it really be that much more money? How much more would it have to be to justify the decision to piss off even a sliver of loyal fans? Or is there a different, perhaps even less intriguing, explanation?

According to the Strib article on the subject, the Twins believe that only 18 percent of their fans are without pay TV, though the cable guy quickly backtracks, admitting that only "nearly 90 percent" of his subscribers have packages which include FSN. Suddenly 18 percent looks a lot more like 26 percent.

Hard numbers about pay TV penetration are kind of hard to come by for the layman. They seem to be highly guarded behind expensive pay walls. I'm sure that's because those numbers are extremely valuable to broadcasters, who have the money to pay for the data.

But the national data I could find shows that overall pay TV penetration is declining, that cable is at roughly 64% penetration overall. Here's a Wall Street Journal article with a current graphic that shows the Twins Cities as one of the markets which lost the most pay TV subscribers in the first half of 2010. And though I can't find any current data, Minnesota has a long history of being among the lowest penetration markets. Suddenly, there's the real possibility that we're talking about one third of the population, or more.

But letting even that go, why would any company want to shut out even 18 percent of its potential market? Those people have money (actually, they have more money because they're not paying for TV), and I think a case can be made for finding some of the most loyal fans (the elderly, for example) among their number. That's also where you'll find the fans who are priced out of the ballpark experience.

We knew that, with a new ballpark, some folks would simply be priced out. But the legislation which created the place wisely contained a provision requiring the team to keep at least some seats affordable, and the Twins have done this very graciously. But that provision doesn't apply outside the Railyard. It must be admitted that, while some people avoid pay TV on principle, others simply don't have the option. Those Sunday broadcasts were the "cheap seats" of Twins TV, plain and simple.

(By the way, don't get me started on a la carte cable pricing. I think it goes without saying that I would get FSN in a heartbeat if I didn't also have to pay for 100 channels which do not interest me. And while we're at it, I'll try not to start a rant about the shortsightedness of the MLB web strategy. If I could see Twins games live, I'd also subscribe to MLB.TV in a heartbeat.)

Most perplexing is that Fox29 viewers are a superset of FSN viewers. In other words, everyone who has FSN also has Fox29, though the reverse is not true. Heck, the two companies even have the same owner, so we're just talking about shifting money around, not winning or losing. If the production costs were equal, I can see no reason not to keep doing what they've been doing.

Production costs? Hmm. Actually, there is a difference in format between cable and broadcast. The announcers have to make accommodations, the graphics are a bit different, the commercial breaks are handled a little bit differently, the signal is handled and routed differently. These may seem like nuisance things, but they do cost money. And it's almost like doing two different shows -- one for weekdays and one for Sundays -- even though the heart of the content is the same.

From my radio days, I know a few things about what broadcasters have to juggle during a telecast, and it's fairly complex, despite the fact that it never seems so (a testament to the professionalism of Dick Bremer, who is exceptionally good at his job). They have sponsors to work in, team announcements, station promos, statistics, and a whole host of other things. When you change that all for one day of the week, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a pretty big disruption.

So maybe, underneath this all, we're really talking about the money saved by not needing two formats compared to the money lost by shutting out at least 18 percent of the potential viewing audience. If that is the case, applying Bert's California math would probably reveal this to be something of a short-sighted decision:

Cutting off 18% of your market is unlikely to lead to long-term increased profitability. Business 101.

(Maybe that's different if you get some sort of cut from any uptick in pay TV subscriber levels. OK, now I'm just being cynical. Or am I?)

But the solution is easy: Simulcasting. Why not just simulcast Sunday games? The format stays (almost) exactly the same, the audience gets bigger, the costs are managed, and the antenna folks stay in the fold.

Seems like a no-brainer to me. Can/will the Twins do the right thing?

Now, back to me personally. Yes, I like watching the Twins on TV. In fact, it's become a ritual on Sundays to get home from church (which is work for both me and Victoria), crash on the couch and enjoy the game (usually napping a bit through the middle innings). I track other games during the week with either the radio, the online live game channel, or a combination of both.

Even if I had FSN, I wouldn't watch 150 games. I'd probably watch one or two a week, which is why the Sunday thing has worked out so well. It was a marked improvement from years past when games were scattered throughout the weeks sort of randomly.

Given the circumstances, Victoria was amenable to considering upgrading our cable package (which is now just the "antenna replacement" version for $15 per month because reception is so bad here in south Minneapolis), but I can't justify the additional $25 (promo price) to $45 (regular price) per month it would cost. That's money I would count in my baseball budget, which means it would have to come out of games attended, and I'd rather not make that trade.

Frankly, I guess I don't expect the Twins to backtrack, but it does mean that I won't have the opportunity to see a Hall-of-Famer using the telestrator to circle random fans in the stands between every inning.

Hey, I just found the first upside.

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If this means (in the future) they will have more $$$ to sign a real FA and not a washed-up has-been, I am fine with it.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:12 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 1

As I ranted last night at home about this decision, my sweetie had a different reaction (said with real compassion, I think): "Oh, you're so naive."

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:24 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 2

Perhaps I was not clear enough.

Cutting off 18% of your market is unlikely to lead to increased profitability. Business 101.

And you do realize that the Twins have a proven track record of spending their payroll dollars wisely, right?

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:25 PM by Rick 3

if the twins failed to foresee the huge pr blunder this was to be, it was a significant miscalculation by the upper management at best and was an uncharacteristic metastasization of hubris at worst.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:25 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 4

My spouse was genuinely mad.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:26 PM by Rick 5

For those folks outstate who did not have WFTC My29, those Sunday games were always simulcasted on FS North.

The Twins could and should reach an agreement with KMSP, WFTC, KARE, KSTP or WCCO to simulcast 20-25 games each season over-the-air. Heck, it doesn't even have to be Sunday games, it can be some select Friday night, Saturday night, or Sunday games or even an occassional weekday game.

And with a payroll of $115+ million, they are spending plenty of money on player payroll. In fact, they will more than likely have a payroll in the top 10 at the start of the season.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:26 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 6

DreDogg-
I feel like they are already doing that. This could make it better than what we've been getting for the last two to three years. I wouldn't call Pavano, Thome, Hudson has-beens (No more Monroe's, Cirillo's, Ramon Ortiz..etc). Though we did get those guys on the cheap (mostly) they are still good.

Plus, the mid-season trades have also gotten a lot better (no more Phil Nevin's, Bret Boone's).

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:30 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 7

Lose 18% now, or lose 40% in 5 years because you stopped finding more ways to stick money into the team. Just look at Cleveland. Get it while the gettin' is good.

Now it remains to be seen if this will indeed allow the team to boost payroll even more, but I hope that is their goal (understanding that they will be lining their pockets as well).

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:43 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 8

OK, I'm a little shocked that someone would be accusing the team of not putting enough money into payroll. I mean, you do know that they've just blown past the $100 million mark, right? They could actually be in the $120s or $130s this year.

What more do you want?

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:52 PM by Rick 9

How much of this was dictated by the Twins and how much was dictated by Fox North?

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:52 PM by terry Highlight this comment 10

I understand it's a frustrating situation for the non cable/dish folks out there, but it's unfair to ask the entity that is probably the largest revenue generator for the Twins to not have the one game a week where 95 percent of people aren't working. I understand in the end they're both part of the larger FOX family but i'm sure they're treated as separate entities that have there own budgets, ratings quotas, etc. Like it or not t.v money pays the bills in every major sport and teams have to honor their corporate partnerships.

For those left in the lurch you might want to find a nice bar/restaurant that offers a sunday brunch and watch the game there. Or find a friend/neighbor with cable and have a afternoon bbq.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:53 PM by jp Highlight this comment 11

I'm bummed about it, but not surprised. The 18% they're cutting off are probably less likely to be spending $$$ coming to games and on merch. Still, it seems strange not to have one game a week offered to the entire market.

In the end, this is about money - not the fans or winning... as it usually is with the Twins.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:54 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 12

A small bright side to the announcement, most of the games on FSN will be "broadcast" in high-def.

I might have to get a new television to replace my 20+ year old 27" that I currently watch!

Sorry for your pain, Rick (and Victoria, and Noah). Hope you can find a way to see more games this year, either in person or on a video screen somewhere.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 12:58 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 13

Would this move have been made before the stadium "issue" was decided? The answer to that question might tell you something about the regard in which the Twins hold their fans.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:12 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 14

Now all of you can see what it's like to live in greater Minnesota. I never had the option of seeing the Twins on regular TV anyway. That being said - dumb decision by the Twins. Cutting off your fan base in any way is never a good idea.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:36 PM by ole Highlight this comment 15

And, since FS North is broadcasting all the games in HD, I hope that means that DISH will actually HAVE all the games in HD. Don't even get me started on that!

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:39 PM by ole Highlight this comment 16

I dont understand the uproar this has caused. If you are a big baseball fan, you were watching more than just on Sunday afternoons on My29. If you lived in the outstate area and didn't get My29, you were still getting the game on FS North.

This is roughly 25 games out of a 162 game schedule. so roughly 15% of the season was on My29.

I myself am very happy with the descision. I can't stand watching standard definition games anymore. I want everything to be in HD, but those people with HD didn't complain that 15% of the games were broadcast in horrible quality on My29.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:41 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 17

I would like a WS title. And it it clear that their roster building is just good enough to make the playoffs to lose right away (namely because they refuse to pay for a #1 pitcher).

So their only options are:

A. Throw more money at it

or

B. Blow up the roster and find a new GM with a better plan

And I am guessing they won't dare try option B.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 18

My29 broacasts are pathetic. Sometimes the audio isn't even syched. Down with Channel-45 Wild games next. Give us an FS-North2 for conflicts.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 1:56 PM by bobby Highlight this comment 19

Yeah I hated Sundays on MY29...cameras were always worse than during the week.

It sucks that they have cut off Sunday broadcasts, but I can see why the did it. I honestly bet the money is pretty large. I think it will lead to a better team.

I watch just about every game on TV or in person so my opinion is skewed but I don't really fault the Twins. I think they are right when they say all the teams will be doing this soon...whether that makes it any more tolerable is a different story, but I do believe that.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:32 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 20

Anybody else just get an e-mail from the Twins saying if you join the "Twins Territory Club" for $20 you can get into a presale for non home opener tickets? What a sham.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:34 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 21

The snow is all gone from Target Field!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:53 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 22

That's a beautiful sight. I can see my seats!

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 2:56 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 23

ole, I agree. I hope Dish actually shows the HD games this year. It was real pain in the butt when they failed to show a third of the HD games.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:04 PM by James1979 Highlight this comment 24

David Brauer over at MinnPost did some research into cable costs. Below is the meat of it. The last line is telling for you DishNetwork folks:

DirecTV: $731.88. It's $60.99 a month for standard-def TV after the first 12 months (which goes for $29.99 a month or $359.88 the first year). Add $60 a year for high-def. This is for a single TV, by the way, but they claim no equipment or set-up charges. I'm a cable customer, so perhaps you know better.

Comcast: $719.44. They charge $59.95 a month after a year of $29.99 and a second year of $44.99. One receiver is free, as are two cable connectors for TVs without cable boxes (those will give you standard-def FSN). You get one box free.

DishNetwork: $599.88. We're talking $49.99 a month after a year at $34.99. Same deal: one TV, no equipment or set-up fees. Couldn't get clarity on the HD question.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:09 PM by Rick 25

I can now watch unlimited movies on my TV through my computer for $8 per month. Some savvy Internet provider (hopefully) will come up with an a la carte plan for cable TV/sports and make a killing. Sooner than later would be nice.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:16 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 26

Quick summary, for clarity:

DirecTV (HD)
First year: $419.88
Second year: $791.88
Third year: $791.88
Avg: $55.66 per month over 36 months

Comcast (HD)
First year: $359.88
Second year: $539.88
Third year: $719.44
Avg: $44.98 per month over 36 months

DishNetwork (no HD)
First year: $419.88
Second year: $599.88
Third year: $599.88
Avg $44.99 per month over 36 months

Clearly, they're all bandits. And this is all before taxes.

But Comcast seems to have the best entry-level deal.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:16 PM by Rick 27

With DirecTV you don't pay for the 1st receiver, but you pay a lease fee for each additional receiver.

For HD, you pay one flat monthly fee, regardless of how many TV's you have.

This is just my opinion, but I have a real hard time watching any programming that isn't in HD, especially sports!

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:18 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 28

Honestly too, regarding Comcast--if you call when your rate goes up and ask them what they can do for you 50% of the time you will get a rep who will re-enroll you at the Promo price. I do it almost everytime my rate goes up and if you call a few times and ask nicely someone will OK it.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 29

Thanks for the link to the Twitpic. I am wondering the thought behind clearing the field with at least another month where snow can fall.

Are they just trying to get the slush off?

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:07 PM by tk Highlight this comment 30

They did it last year at this time. The field is heated so as long as we don't get too much I think it would just melt. There probably wasn't too much left on the field anyway with how warm it has been lately.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:09 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 31

Rick,

I have DishNetwork. They have a deal called HD free for life. Along with signing up online, you give them a 2 year contract with paperless billing and you receive all their HD channels for free at no additional cost.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:17 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 32

Jeff,

I understand there's still some problem specifically with Twins broadcasts not being in HD...

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:22 PM by Rick 33

This always bummed me out when I was a kid: does anyone remember back in about the mid-90s when several Twins games were actually pay-per-view? I felt so slighted back then, cause I wanted to see games on TV. And 'CCO would only show like two or three home games a season. I always HATED seeing those games on the schedule. I was even more bummed when they started up their brainchild: MSC...cause I didn't have cable.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM by luke Highlight this comment 34

Dish broadcast a bunch of games last year in SD. I made a point to send an email to their customer service after every game I noticed. Probably doesn't do much good, but pretty much all one can do. Hoping they will correct that this year (if enough people bitch).

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 35

yea when i was a kid only 2 games a year played at home were on tv.. the home opener and the twins/gophers game i think it was.. sorry i did not read thru all of the pages of comments but i got a email from the twins about a lottery for home opener tix..for STH??? am i to assume that i wont automatically get these like i did last year since i was a STH at the dome?? that sucks ..

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 6:28 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 36

I remembeer back when I was a kid, the Twins only had 50 games a year on WTCN 11, four of which were home games. Now, every night I have the opportunity to sit and watch the Twins play, and I just shake my head at how seldom 50 games seems now.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 8:21 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 37

"How seldom 50 games seems now?"

Geez, did I butcher that sentence. Perhaps, "How infrequent fifty games seems now" would have been better and more easy to understand.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 8:23 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 38

I can't fault the Twins on this one, even if that seems to be the popular thing around here. A good chunk of those without cable are the elderly. The elderly don't purchase tickets or buy Mauer jerserys, so why should the Twins lose out on money to cater to these people? As for the others: If you like Twins baseball enough, you'll prioritize it enough to pay to access it. Otherwise, settle for 1500 AM or go to BWW purchase six traditional wings and a glass of water and annoy the hell out of a waiter for three hours.

Sorry Rick, but baseball viewing isn't a right, it's a privilege. Now where did I put my tea and crumpets?

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 9:25 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 39

I'm not arguing that it's a right at all. I'm arguing that the Twins have made a bad business decision, and I'm standing by that. They will regret this decision -- financially. Even without knowing the details, it can only be a short term gain and a long term loss.

Unless they're getting a kickback from any increase in cable/satellite subscriptions (which is certainly a possibility), there's no way this deal can have made them enough money to justify the costs in market presence and plain old goodwill.

And while I agree with this:

"If you like Twins baseball enough, you'll prioritize it enough to pay to access it."

it simply isn't possible in this case. You can't just pay to access Twins baseball. There's no model for it out there, and probably never will be. Instead, you must pay for a whole bunch of things you don't want in order to get the one small part that you do want.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 9:56 PM by Rick 40

Rick, I am not really understanding the point you are trying to make. The people that only watch the Twins on Sundays on My29 are not making the Twins any money anyways.

They are probably not coming to Target Field, are not buying merchandise, etc.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 10:37 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 41

Vile--Not true. I'm not a senior citizen, I watch th 29 broadcast, and I gave the Twins a lot of money last year, with plans to do the same this year. To me it's an issue of them sticking it to the community that has supported them. Two points earlier posters made: What if they chose this path before the stadium vote? And why not just go right to satellite radio? I'm sorry, it's just a crass money grab, and I do wonder what's next.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 42

Darn auto-correct! Sorry Vikeologist, I wasn't trying to make a commentary on your name.

Posted on February 17, 2011 at 11:30 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 43

I know this probably doesn't appeal to most of the people affected, but you can get MLBTV on the PS3 for $100 a year. Not as expensive as cable, but you're only paying for essentially one channel, (as well as the PS3 if you don't already have one), although you can watch any of the 30 teams, but it is an option none the less.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 12:57 AM by bp Highlight this comment 44

Nevermind, guess you can get this with a standard computer.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 01:01 AM by bp Highlight this comment 45

bp,

You can only watch out of market games on MLB.tv so that is not an option, unless you can somehow mask your IP address as being from out of state.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 01:11 AM by FD Highlight this comment 46

Thanks FD, bummer. I was actually looking into this.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 04:41 AM by bp Highlight this comment 47

Many moons ago, I was a loyal North Stars fan living outstate. At one point they signed a contract with one of the newer, far-less powerful TV stations that wasn't in our local cable package. I never saw them on TV again. I lost track of them and lost interest as well. I never warmed up to the new team, because by then, I just didn't care about hockey anymore.
I'm sure they made money just fine without me, but the move motivated me to turn my back on them. The Twins could have some fans turn their backs on them as wwell with this move, but I'm sure they expect that.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 05:22 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 48

Fiesta, so you only watched the Twins one day a week? That is the point i am trying to make. If you are a big Twins fan, you will be watching more than one game a week anyways.

I don't mean to sound like an ass, im just trying to understand the other side of the argument! It's fun to debate! :)

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 08:16 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 49

Vikeologist - "The people that only watch the Twins on Sundays on My29 are not making the Twins any money anyways"

That's BS. I went to 10 games and a playoff game last year. Gave the concessions some business. Have purchased quite a few Twins hats, shirts, etc over the years. And I live in Hennepin County so am doing my part to pay for the ballpark.

Is it my choice to not have cable? Yes it is and I will just have to listen more on the radio I guess. I can't justify the cost of cable over cutting something else from my family's budget.

I still think it is a poor decision by the Twins. At the very least you would think they could come up with a simulcast of the Sunday games on local and FSN and give ALL their fans access to some games. The NFL recognizes this when they put the Monday night games (ESPN) on local tv in the markets of the teams playing. And their tv contract is much bigger than that of the Twins. More eyeballs = more revenue. I'm guessing there aren't many pay tv viewers that watch 90-100% of the games. With the Fox29 crowd, my guess is that many of us were very faithful to the games we got access to.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 08:29 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 50

Yeah my dad is a big Twins fan but lives in IL and last year we got him the MLB package and he watches it on TV through a specialized box. Probably the best gift I ever got him.

They black out the local games though, otherwise that would be a really good option. Maybe the Twins will change that? $100 a year isn't too bad compared to what a cable package would cost for 6 months.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 08:46 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 51

Gophers will play 12 games at TF. Link

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 12:19 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 52

Regarding cord cutting and that serving as a potential monkey wrench in the Twins' move to FSN only, my take is that group is mainly comprised of two segments. One consists of people who want to watch scripted entertainment and reality shows and can access them via the internet or DVDs. The other consists of people who have made a choice based on economics.

What neither of these two groups consist of in great numbers is sports fans due to the longstanding trend of games moving to pay TV from broadcast tv and the large number of events available on pay TV that were never available on broadcast TV. As this blog and its comments have shown, not all sports fans have, want or can afford pay TV. However, I honestly believe a more concentrated survey of sports fans would reveal that cord cutting has been adopted by this group in much lower percentages and that their subscription rates are actually increasing.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 1:20 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 53

New bobblehead for the Twins this year - see link

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 1:20 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 54

The Twins owe the community free games on basic TV? Wow. We have certainly gotten naive around here.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 1:23 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 55

Anyone know the ratings difference between Sunday games shown on 45 vs. ones shown on FSN?

I'm indifferent on this since I have cable, and I usually do watch on Sundays anyway.

My guess is the Twins reason those who do not pay for cable are not going to be the type to come to the ballpark and spend a lot of money on merchandise, food, and hooch.

I personally think they should try to start their own channel again (not call it Victory) and just ask the same subscription price as FSN. I think they were asking for nearly double last time.

That way every cable provider would pick it up and they could showcase other Minnesota sports (High School, College, possibly other MN Pro sports), not just the Twins. This might make it possible for them to make enough money to allow a game a week on free tv.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 2:01 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 56

Stevie B,

Looks like they were going with the thinned down version of KH to save on materials :)

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 2:20 PM by tk Highlight this comment 57

Attached is the Cubs schedule for games on WGN, including 6 preseason games. You can also insert whitesox in place of cubs to find their schedule.

I remember last year there was a game that was not on FSN/Fox and I ended up having to watch the WGN broadcast and mute it.

Looks like the Cubs or White Sox are not hurting for money and seem to have no issues with all the non contracted exclusive deals.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM by tk Highlight this comment 58

The Yankees years ago went to their own cable network (remember the Twins trying to do this with Victory Sports One?). It's actually part of the reason they are so flush with cash. Don't get the complaints. You got something for free, you should have enjoyed it while it lasted and knew it wasn't going to be that way forever.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 2:41 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 59

Cable companies (and teams like the Twins who partner with their programming channels like FSN) have their heads in the sand with respect to the threats that online content represent for the cable-only business model. A lot of attention has been paid to the elderly and poor segments being affected by the decision to eliminate broadcast Twins grames (and, seemingly, the implication that those people are irrelevant because they don't spend enough money to be worthwhile to the Twins). However, I think the focus on cable-only content delivery very clearly alienates of another fanbase--the steadily increasing group of tech-savvy cord-cutters who primarily use online content to supplement broadcast or basic cable content. This is a group that is mostly 20s-30s with discretionary income which just doesn't see the value in cable for what you are getting.

I'm a sports fan who attended over 20 Twins games last year, watched countless others and spent my share on merchandise and concessions... and am new member of the cord-cutters I chose to give up cable when the stupid Comcast Xfinity transition happened. I hated the adapter boxes and crappy remotes that were required for my TVs that did not have the main digital box/DVR. Aside from needlessly adding more cords and another remote (which did not have the capabilities of the native TV's remote, thus requiring both remotes to be accessible) at a time when reduction of cables and remotes is the trend, the adapter boxes did not pass through the QUAM signal to my HDTVs that have built-in tuners. As a result, I needed to either (1) pay for additional digital boxes or (2) set up a splitter with a switch (to switch between the adapter box and the wall connection carrying the QUAM signal) just to see the OTA/QUAM HD channels (which adds even more cables and clutter). In addition, because FSN is channel 28, I absolutely needed either an adapter box or digital box to get FSN. These annoyances caused me to cut all but the most basic cable (channels 2-23) and save over $100 a month, while using Windows Media Center as a DVR and catching many cable shows online, knowing full-well that FSN and the Big 10 network would be the glaring holes in my programming. ESPN3 is filling most the non-broadcast sports gap.

When I made the change, I assumed that the Sunday Twins games would still be broadcast (or on basic cable). Now they are not, but I still can't justify the hassle of getting full cable again (more due to Comcast's ridiculous idea that you should need more boxes, remotes and cable clutter at a time when everyone is trying to be wireless), even though I can afford it. I'm hopeful that at some point in the future games will be available online LEGALLY without blackouts and that online content will provide even more options for users desiring a la carte TV programming. I'm happy with my decision to cut the cord so far, as the combination of Windows Media Center for DVR, Netflix for movies, network internet sites for cable TV shows, Amazon for on-demand HD movies and ESPN3 for non-broadcast sports has me mostly covered. If MLBTV just permitted in-network programming I would be set. Here's hoping that day comes.

So, what am I getting at? Cable TV may be the current access model, but both the Twins and their cable partners in choosing to go cable-only are ignoring the future of TV programming... online content delivery where, I might add, commercials cannot be skipped. If they had any vision, they would add online delivery soon.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 2:49 PM by The Rational Actor Highlight this comment 60

The Cubs' association with WGN is a legacy of the now severed joint ownership of the team and the TV station. Both were part of the larger Tribune Media empire. The other important aspect is the national reach the Cubs get via WGN's presence on cable and satellite systems nationwide.

Advertisers for the Cubs and White Sox reach not only Chicago residents, millions more elsewhere. The two teams are reluctant to leave WGN (which has separate Chicago and National feeds although the programming is often the same) because once they leave WGN for even a season, in the future their games can be shown only on the Chicago feed, not the national one.

This isn't an apples to apples comparison to the Twins' situation. Take out access to WGN's national feed and at the very least the White Sox would likely go all pay TV in Chicago and I'd venture the Cubs would move at least some of their games to pay TV.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 2:52 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 61

The Twins are not ignoring online content. MLB already has that covered with MLB.TV. Could that be made cheaper and be improved upon, yes.

To me baseball is not like football. I could watch any NFL during the season. Not some much with baseball, I could care less about a Marlins-Padres game. If MLB.TV would change to allow me to watch only Twins games at a lower cost, I may buy it.

Also they would need to come up with some sort of agreement akin to ESPN3 to be allowed to be viewed via third party machine like an Xbox. I would only do it if I could watch it on my 58" Tv as opposed to the 15" laptop.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 3:01 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 62

Just to clarify a comment I made above. If the Cubs and/or White Sox left WGN for say the 2014 season, spent even one year with another carrier, and returned to WGN for 2016, then from 2016 onwards their games could only be shown on the WGN Chicago feed.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 63

I guarantee this decision was entirely FSN's -- they're fighting to keep cable TV relevant in the Internet age. However, I am still disappointed that the Twins agreed to it without much of a fight, although they were probably compensated financially. In retrospect, it's a shame the ballpark bill didn't mandate a handful of free broadcast TV games per season -- the general public should get some direct, tangible benefit from its ballpark investment.

I don't think this move will hurt the Twins' business, but I doubt it will help that much either. For that matter, I doubt it will even help FSN or the cable companies -- the people without cable (or with limited cable) aren't going to fork over $600+ yearly just because they lost 25 free games.

I will predict increased traffic on illegal online streams (which was probably going to happen regardless). And someday MLB will finally cut the cord with cable companies to focus on their own online delivery model -- MLB has been a pioneer online so far, and the baseball season is a perfect match for online delivery.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 3:16 PM by spycake Highlight this comment 64

Duffman, if you live in the Twin Cities and try to get MLBTV, you will not be able to watch the Twins. They black out any game that is on your local TV (including cable).

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 3:17 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 65

I agree, spycake. I think as teams move to cable, it's inevitable that people will turn to means to work around the MLBtv blackouts in local markets. Hopefully, once that becomes widespreadh, MLB will just give up on the blackout restrictions.

Duffman, you don't need an Xbox or third-party machine to watch MLBtv, ESPN3 or other online content. You can just hook up your computer to your TV... it's pretty simple. I currently run a dedicated computer connected to my TV, which serves as a home media center. It eliminates the need for cable (for DVR or on-demand content) and allows me to watch online programming (in addition to everything else a normal computer does). It's relatively simple, has better functionality than cable and is cheaper. A computer media center pays for itself after 3-6 months without cable (depending on the specs).

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 4:08 PM by The Rational Actor Highlight this comment 66

Heck, they even blackout Milwaukee Brewers' games in the Twins' market, at least in the Rochester market they do.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 4:56 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 67

LOL if you think that MLB will cut ties with cable and go exclusively to the internet! I agree internet is gaining strength, but it will not kill TV. Especially for live sporting events.

Who wants to watch the Twins online in standard definition, with buffering, and whatnot. No thanks! I want my sports on my 50" plasma in beautiful HD!

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 5:24 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 68

Well, I pay way too much for cable every month, but I do have Fox North in HD, so the decision doesn't affect me and even benefits me to get better broadcast on Sunday games.

That said, in this market (which I believe has one of the lowest penetrations of cable in the nation), I really think this is a bad idea for the team even in the short term. There is a populist streak in the state that just hates this sort absolute turn towards no free public access. It is too early in great "success" of new revenue streams to do this. I assume as well it was FSN idea, but if the Twins resisted it I don't think it would have been a blackout on FSN this summer. A bad and uncharacteristic stumble in my opinion, but one which sadly will be rectified only by 3 consecutive losing seasons and crowds averaging 25K IMO.

As for payroll, I applaud the Twins for making their business plan quite transparent. They have said they want to have payroll at 52% of revenues. I have no idea what that translates to in terms of profit for the owners, bonuses for DSP, or whatever else, but I really don't care. They clearly have a sustainable, long-term plan that keeps the Twins viable. We are in so much better shape than we were in 1999.

I will also say that when they are really generating revenue (such as right now), the decision makers COULD decide to pocket all the extra cash. Instead, we got $100M of extra improvements to Target Field before the place opened, this year we get an additional scoreboard and other improvements, and probably $8-$10M more of payroll than their formula dictates.

Does anyone have any info on how much revenue TF means to the Twins, vs. their local TV rights vs. whatever they get from MLB from national contracts/revenue sharing, etc.? I think they are putting their eggs in the TF basket, and I now see Cleveland and hope that they are not. Can you imagine 11K at the Jake in 1995?

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 6:15 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 69

Lincster-
I don't know the answers to most of your questions, but I do know that the Twins no longer get revenue sharing. They have to pay into it now.

I don't believe team-by-team amounts (receiving or giving) are ever made public, though last year they were leaked for some teams. Financial information for the Pirates, Mariners and Rays were released which were from 2007 and 2008. Documents for the Marlins and Angels also were leaked and they were from the 2008 and 2009 season. If you remember, there was a big uproar about the Pirates who are making a good chunk of money every year and not putting it in the team.

$404 million dollars was spread out in the 2010 season, the last season that the Twins received revenue sharing (because the money is for 2009 and they were in the lower-revenue Dome). $440 million was spread out in 2009.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins have to throw $15-20 million (maybe even more) to the lower revenue teams since the Twins are no longer one.

I believe the current labor agreement is up after this season so revenue sharing and other things could change, especially since teams like the Pirates are really abusing it.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 7:28 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 70

I know this Pat, but I was using that as an example for TRA as MLB using the Internet. I suppose FSN could simlicast Twins games on the internet commercials and all. It would be one area where the MLB.TV could be improved.

TRA I have a serial cord that I connect my computer to my smaller LCD screen from time to time, but my 58" plasma doesn't have that connection. I'm assuming it has something to do with preventing "burn in"

Reusse and Soucheray were talking about this on their 1 hour show today. Reusse suggested FSN paid a lot of money to become the exclusive home of the Twins. He guessed near $20 million a year, which sounds high but if that is what the Twins received I don't blame them for going that route.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 7:46 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 71

They would have gotten paid just for keeping a deal like last year's.

The question is: What kind of premium did they get paid for becoming exclusive? Realistically, probably not that much since both stations are owned by the same entity.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM by Rick 72

A great media server is PlayOn..I use it to watch a bunch of channels including MLB....Check it out..Yes..You can stream it to your TV through a ethernet connection with your box..I use it with a Direct Tv box...

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 73

Last year, one of the prime ad spots at Target Field (adjacent to the scoreboard)was the FSN ad lower left of the board. Now, I'm just throwing this out here to see if it gets batted around or simply batted down, but is it possible that in this stagnant economy those four boards are difficult to sell? And if so, is it also possible, or even probable that FSN agreed to continue to lease the space in return for TV exclusivity?

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 8:48 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 74

Well, please don't be mad at me for suggesting this, but didn't the Twins sort of "give in" to selling that fourth spot to FSN because they just couldn't find a fourth "founding" sponsor to fill it?

If memory serves correctly, that bottom left panel was the last to be sold last season. Also, if memory serves correctly, some of the brass around here were kinda surprised that FSN even got it. Best Buy, US Bank and Treasure Island all went up fairly quickly - the Twins were looking for four founding sponsors, and only found those three. I do think they settled for FSN North as the fourth.

Honestly, FSN North's panel is the most bland on the whole board. No flash, no pinache, no color, no nothing. It's just FS North on a white static board panel. Personally, I think Mortenson or MOA should have gone up there, instead of being relegated to the Trap sign.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 9:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 75

But it's not just a matter of which ad has flash or not. FSN paid to go on that spot or at least MOA and Mortenson didn't.

Posted on February 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 76

Just thinking about what's going on in Ft Myers so i don't have to think about what will happen here tomorrow, 6-12 inches=no es bueno! 41/48 days!

Posted on February 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 77

Vikeologist, online content is no longer just standard definition with poor buffering. Many programs are now streamed in HD, look great and have 5.1 surround sound. In fact, MLBtv is in HD (where available). I think a lot of people with HDTV's think that their only options to use their TV's HD capabilities are cable or satellite, but that is just not true. I have a couple of HDTV's and felt a little hamstrung, too. When Comcast kept raising prices and requiring additional equipment for other TV's, I started looking into my options and discovered just how far Internet streaming has come. Take a look... you might be surprised. I also want to preempt the arguments that Comcast gives you free additional adapter boxes for your other TVs, or you can pay just $3 a month each for extra digital boxes with on-screen guides. The free boxes are garbage for a number of reasons (poor remote that requires you to keep your other TV remote around, incredibly long pauses switching channels, multiple extra cables, lack of QAM pass-through, crappy overall quality, and more). As for the extra digital boxes with on-screen guides, while the $3 per box per month is not much, I just viewed it as representative of a systematic raising of prices that has been happening at Comcast over the last several years. They raise prices just a little bit every couple months and the next thing you know, your cable has doubled or tripled. Most people just bend over and take it. I finally had enough. Sure, the Twins TV thing sucks, but even being a huge fan is not going to force me back to full cable or satellite. I guess I just have to hope that legal online access happens soon and maybe the likely option, given MLBtv's blackout policy, is that FSN starts streaming online with commercials.

Posted on February 19, 2011 at 11:39 AM by The Rational Actor Highlight this comment 78

I too would rather have television be free. But my DirecTv bill is not just for Sunday Twins games. I get Comedy Central (Daily Show, stand-up comedians), AMC (Mad Men, Breaking Bad), C-SPAN (unedited speeches & debates), NASA (launches, missions), FX (Rescue Me), Turner Classic Movies (commercial free classics), commercial-free satellite radio music channels, ESPN, FSN, NFL & MLB Network (spring training games start broadcasting 2/26 @ noon). It is true that I pay for all of the channels including many I never watch, I also do not read all the sections of the newspaper, listen to every radio station on the dial or eat every entree at a buffet. 

DVRs have changed what people once complained about: commercials and lack of quality programs. One can now record programs for when they want to watch TV and skip the commercials. Still plenty of bad programs, but there are shows that are better than movies. 

Again, I would rather have TV be free.  If anyone wants to subscribe to DirecTv, click my name and I will "refer you" and we will both get $10 off per month for 10 months. 

Posted on February 19, 2011 at 5:14 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 79

I was listening to 1500 ESPN the other day and they were talking about this decision to move all games to FSN (HD). Reusse said something that I thought was especially true. Paraphrasing he said that the Twins only care about the most important demographic. Ages 25-35. This goes for advertising revenues, concession money, TV viewing etc. This is the most valuable demographic for the Twins product...

Frankly the broadcast quality of WFTC Ch. 29 was pathetic. Absolutely abysmal. If you don't have HD you don't understand how bad it truly is.

Posted on February 19, 2011 at 6:53 PM by Max Highlight this comment 80

Duff,

i wish, but im stuck with comcast cuz the lazy direct tv d bag got on my roof and said to many trees blocking the signal.. i will try agian next football season for the sunday ticket for free

Posted on February 19, 2011 at 7:01 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 81

Great post Buzz. I too am looking forward to all the spring training games. I pay for the "regional sports networks" package on DirecTV for the express purpose of being able to watch the pre/post game shows as well as all the spring training games during Feb/Mar that aren't also simulcast on the MLB Network. This has been a great way to watch many Twins spring training games in years past as NESN (Boston) does several games and the Twins have often only done games on Sat/Sun on the inferior WFTC 29 (like watching through saran wrap).

Posted on February 19, 2011 at 7:10 PM by Max Highlight this comment 82

Maz-

I hoping you took a chain saw to those trees.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 02:07 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 83

Max is that more expensive than Extra Innings? Do you not get pre and post game with Extra Innings?

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 09:22 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 84

MLB Extra Innings package is only for the regular season out of market games. You must have the Regional Sports Networks package (about $10/month I think) to receive all the spring training telecasts from AZ & FL. During the season with the Extra Innings package you will usually get the "pregame" show on the mix channel 720 on DirecTV but the broadcast will cut out abruptly following the game if you don't have the RSN package...

Btw: the MLB At Bat app for the iPhone is well worth the price if you travel a lot or are a diehard baseball fan...

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM by Max Highlight this comment 85

So Max to get it all you need both RSN and Extra Innings? Or would just RSN do it?

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 86

jc,

RSN will do it for spring training only. If you want regular season games, you need extra innings....if you want regular season games with pre and post game, you need extra innings and RSN pkg.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 2:39 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 87

Today's piece of poetic justice: After the 9 panels on the Metrodump's roof have been fabricated and fixed, after all the weight of 12-13 inches of snow, we'll turn on GMA, FNC, TWC, CNN or any other national news outlet tomorrow to find out the stupid thing ripped again...lol.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 5:26 PM by luke Highlight this comment 88

wtf?

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 6:37 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 89

Great News from Dave St. Peter on Twitter.

@MNsportsfan24: @TwinsPrez - Are the Twins using the GB Leighton song again this year? TwinsPrez - No, it's been retired by FS North.

I'm so glad they aren't using that horrible song anymore.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:34 PM by FD Highlight this comment 90

luke,

it was exactly this time last year when there was snow on the ground and for the life of you....you just couldn't imagine how baseball could ever be played outdoors in MN in April.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 7:35 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 91

I can't understand MLB TV either. I'm in Iowa and thought I'd get my weeknight Twins games, and the weekends I don't make it...and they informed me I'm actually blacked out of Twins, Cubs, Brewers, White Sox, Cardinals, and hell...probably the Royals. What is the point of this service? It seems it only serves the people who move across the country and want to catch their hometown team. I would easily pony up $100 to catch the Twins live.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:14 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 92

Thanks for the Directv help. Mlb.tv on the laptop is the way to go IMO to watch non-Twins, and I guess I don't need to watch postgame manager interviews if they are as un-interesting as Gardy's always are.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 8:39 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 93

TC2011 -- that is horrible. The MLB TV should be made exactly for fans like you. They should have a 75 mile rule like the NFL. Boooo MLB!

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 94

FD - that IS great news...probably the best news I've heard all day.
kev - Come on, man, you know I'm an outdoor baseball convert. I'm glad TF doesn't look like that atrocious thing in Miami. But, to that credit, we also didn't have two 17" snowstorms to deal with last year either.

BTW, Paul Douglas just called - he is now a firm non-believer in the whole "Global Warming" crisis...lol.

Posted on February 20, 2011 at 10:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 95

deep breaths luke...deep breaths.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 12:26 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 96

Paul Douglas has never been a Climate Change Denier. He always annoyed me but I developed a lot of respect for the man after reading an article about him a few months ago. People who think they know more about science than scientists are idiots.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 09:20 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 97

I'm sure FSN wanted to be able to say "The exclusive home of Minnesota Twins Baseball". I'm also sure they paid plenty for ability to say that. On the other hand this could be a move by the Twins to up the offer from a local network. Has it said anywhere how long this agreement will last?

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 09:38 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 98

Considering how dominant the regional Fox networks are nationally I don't see that changing any time soon. I'm guessing they have so much infrastructure compared to any competitor, they are really hard to compete with.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:16 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 99

Can someone tell me where I can park closest to the ballpark for free/cheap for an hour or two? I've never parked around there on a non game day. Thanks.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:24 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 100

Thought there might be a kinder, gentler MLB TV this year, so I logged on and got this:

The below-listed Club(s) is within the searched home television territory, and MLB.TV is subject to blackout for all regular season live games for these Club(s):
Chicago White Sox
Milwaukee Brewers
Chicago Cubs
St. Louis Cardinals
Kansas City Royals
Minnesota Twins

WTH, I'm not closer than 4 hours to any of these parks. Instead of me (and several hundreds of thousands of others around the country) paying to watch games that in no way I'd make, they lose that revenue. The other thing that doesn't make sense is that games should not be blacked out at all if they are sold out.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 101

Do you get all of those teams home broadcasts on Cable/Satellite? I would think MLB.tv black out would match whatever teams you get local TV for. Iowa is an interesting black hole/panacea for sports coverage.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:48 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 102

I get mostly White Sox games on cable....we'll see what happens with the new arrangements. For some reason, when Twins games are even on ESPN, they get blacked out unless it's Sunday Night Baseball. Iowa is the ultimate sports black hole...especially when the Hawkeyes are in the toilet. Predominantly Cubs fans here, followed by Cardinals and White Sox, the Twins a distant 4th, and the Brewers and Royals being non-factors.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:56 AM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 103

The506.com is an interesting site that covers where sports are broadcast on TV. Not sure if it covers stuff like regional baseball, I haven't looked yet, but it's fun to see where certain NFL games are broadcast.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 104

I do not live in the Minneapolis area, but I recall last year when FSN was blacked out for a period of time because FSN and DISH could not work out a deal. I am sure this just adds to their negotiations for next go round...

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 11:01 AM by TK Highlight this comment 105

Bad-

I think that was Luke's joke. Paul Douglas is so far entrenched in the belief of Global Warming, you might as well call him Al Gore.

I still find it funny, nay, sad that those that believe in it, equivocate climate change to the Holocaust by calling people who don't buy into it "Deniers." It is a disgusting way to polarize the issue, but that is an argument for a different blog.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 106

jctwins - The meter spots on 5th Ave N, right in front of the Ford Center are pretty close.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 107

In the tax game, Target Field wallops Dome....interesting article regarding the tax revenues generated by Target Field last summer.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 2:16 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 108

That article is more proof that Minneapolis contributed nothing to that ballpark, but reaped $4.8 million from it. Not to mention the untold millions in taxes collected from the bars/resturants.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 109

New video up at ballparkauthority.com titled Target Field: Past, Present, and Future. Click my name to check it out.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 110

Ballparkauthority has its 2010 annual report available. Click my name for the .pdf file.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 3:09 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 111

Video of the design concept final presentation for The Interchange project surrounding Target Field. Its long at just over an hour, but very interesting in my opinion. Click my name

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 112

If you don't have an hour to watch the above video, linked to my name is the .pdf file for the The Interchange project presentation.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 3:19 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 113

Duff,

One does not have the option to "believe" in facts. Facts are not faith-based, they are logic based.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 3:21 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 114

Rick, you were given credit to a photo in the Ballpark Authority video.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 3:24 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 115

Actually, two photos of early Ballpark Authority meetings (which was before they had their own official photographer).

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:33 PM by Rick 116

By the way, forgot to mention here that I finally got my new camera.(Canon EOS 60D)

Here's hoping I can go out this summer and get me some Jared-quality pix at the ballpark.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 4:46 PM by Rick 117

Rick,

Just think how many Twins games you could watch on Satellite with the money you spent on the camera.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 118

Rick, with a camera that nice you will be able to parlay enough earnings generated by selling photos of the ballpark to watch ten years of Twins baseball on TV.

The 60d looks like a very nice camera. The 50d was very nice, and it's the next generation of that. I love my Canon EOS.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 7:00 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 119

The camera doesn't make the photo.I'm a Nikon guy with a cheap dslr...Joe Nathan liked this shot :):)

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 8:39 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 120

Thanks for the BPA video link, Jeff. In addition to the past/present video, I also checked out the playoff game 1 video. Despite the unsatisfying end to that game/series, it was a great collection of photographs, video and audio. Can't wait to be amidst that hubbub in 45 days!

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 9:39 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 121

Bad-

Global warming is not fact, it is a theory. Theories are not fact.

Posted on February 21, 2011 at 11:40 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 122

I am not sure which makes me angrier, the Theory of Universal Gravity or the Theory of Relativity. Do not get me started on that idiot Pythagoras and his stupid theorem!  Oh, and Copernicus, I am the center of the universe!

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 05:20 AM by Buzz Highlight this comment 123

Go argue this somewhere else you dorks.

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 05:22 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 124

... although Buzz, that was great!

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 05:24 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 125

I don't particularly care for it when this ballpark site veers off course and gets into political issues, but I gotta say Buzz, that was funny.

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 08:44 AM by terry Highlight this comment 126

Add my thumbs up to Buzz on that post. And, for me, it's the former. I can get all wishy-washy about relativity, but I stumble and fall over that gravity thingy all the time.

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 09:16 AM by BR Highlight this comment 127

The 60D is a good choice Rick. Thanks for the shout. If you need any pointers or tips on how I have shot the park in the past, let me know, I am glad to help. I have plenty of resources for learning and if you put in the time you will reap the rewards for sure.

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 128

Nice pics Jared, I added you as a contact if you don't mind.

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:13 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 129

A few theories turn out to be fact and yet so many facts have turned out to be false.

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:38 PM by James1979 Highlight this comment 130

The political discussion can only end badly, folks.

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:52 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 131

ANYWAY.......back to baseball please....

Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:52 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 132

Twins v Red Sox: Sunday (2/27) @ 6:10!

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 06:56 AM by Buzz Highlight this comment 133

Cardinals' Punto needs hernia surgery

We dodged a bullet on this one! Good thing we learned our lesson last year and decided to cut ties with old Nicky.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 10:41 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 134

Injured on the first day, Out 2-3 months...wow!

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM by tk Highlight this comment 135

Larussa must tug harder than Gardy. Punto just wasn't used to it.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 11:13 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 136

Can we please go one offseason without Mauer having a "procedure". He has always bounced back and performed well but, an annual operation can't be conducive to a long career as a catcher.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 137

Jared, do you do any graphics work? if so please drop me an email! Thanks!

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 11:58 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 138

Neither of the "M & M" boys is ready. Not good!

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 139

They should call them the R & R boys.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 140

I think there is another word for them, but it is not appropriate for this blog.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 1:31 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 141

Twins Twitter has a photo of the RF video board fully installed, but not turned on. Looks about how I pictured.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 2:44 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 142

Heres some baseball related stuff but you people here prbobaly already know this but what the heck. The baseball gophers will play their homegames at target field alot of people might like that. And if you click the link if it works theres a link to the florida marlins taking batting practice in the new place going up. The marlins also siad they will do everything they can to make sure there is no obstructed seats in the place is that even possible. I dont know of any stadium that doesnt have at leaste one bad seat in but who knows. Thats all I have.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 3:29 PM by Leory Highlight this comment 143

There's also an add for Ford next to the new scoreboard. I know they didn't have a lot of room for the new board, but for some reason I pictured it being bigger than that.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 7:04 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 144

Any scoreboard in RF makes my seats in the first row of the LF bleachers better! I needed something positive after the latest round of snow.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 8:21 PM by ole Highlight this comment 145

Pat - yep, I agree. Looks odd, out of place and belongs in the south end zone of a new Vikings stadium. I'm hoping the Twins Tower will be slightly cooler than the new video board.

Posted on February 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 146

I'm not disappointed Luke, because I am a glass half full kind of guy--unlike yourself.

It is going to look a lot better when they put the finishing touches on it and also when it isn't WINTER outside. Given the seat arrangement below, this was probably the biggest they could go.

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:00 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 147

For those who appreciate good design, baseball AND scorekeeping, here's a project that deserves our support. A young graphic designer from Auburn is seeking to revive scorekeeping and has some great looking stuff. She's already met an initial fundraising goal through Kickstarter, but more is more. Check it out!

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:18 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 148

Pretty cool Fiesta. I enjoy scorekeeping at games. As an 8th grade baseball coach, I also teach my players how to do it too. You would be surprised how many of them really get into doing it and actually argue about who gets to keep score. It's pretty cool to see.

How many of you keep score when you go to games?

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:46 PM by ole Highlight this comment 149

Of course, I'm in that club, Ole. I'll actually print up my own custom scorecards the day of the game...rosters and all. When I bring groups to games, I'll create not only special scorecards for the day, but a bingo game that both pre-dates and is more fun than Twingo. ("What's 5-4-3 mean?" "Is that one a nubber to the mound?" are common questions.) It's a great way to get the not-as-huge fans involved in the game.

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 150

I always keep score (at least when I'm there to sit in a seat rather than be a photographer)! And I dig the project that fiesta has linked because it gets at the whole experience of seeing a game -- including but going beyond just the play on the field.

Every year I make an attempt to refine my own scorekeeping methods and materials, but usually end up using the lousy card sold by the team. (Lousy scoring page, that is. The notes by TwinsGeek are always top notch. Still miss those old Gameday scorecards...)

And, I've played fiesta's bingo game, which is WAY more fun than Twingo!

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM by Rick 151

Scored opening day last year for my little "opening day display," but did so after the fact - too much to gawk at during the actual game.

Tried to score a few more during the year, but keeping track of two little boys, and simply enjoying being in that place, usually got in the way . . .

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:27 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 152

My coworker friend always keeps score, she hand draws the scorecard in her journal. She also has an amazing ability to print tiny letters that are still readable. I've had to fill in as guest scorekeeper a few times for her, and my printing always looks huge and clumsy next to hers.

Me? I just enjoy watching the game!

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 153

I started keeping score regularly a few years ago in order to concentrate more closely on the game. Even if I step away for an inning or so for food or two use the restroom, I always use MLB At Bat to catch up.

The replay board above the trapezoid isn't very big, but it's not intended to be a comprehensive board. It's just there to help out the fans in leftfield who don't have a view of the main board. The main board itself would probably be in the relatively unpopulated right field if not for the fact that its presence would block or at least sully the skyline view.

I'm not overly enthusiastic about the Twins Tower, but hopefully it'll look nice. It seems like the Twins added it on to make up for the fact that the Minne/Paul celebration sign, while visually stunning at night, didn't work well in practice, especially during daylight hours.

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:01 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 154

I've been keeping score for every game attended since I first learned how to write. Lots of scorecards stacked in my house. I like it and I'm very focused on the game the entire time so it's not hard for me to do it.

Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 155

Not exactly Target Field related, but they have a new Target Center rendering showing what the renonation would look like from Target Plaza. Click my name.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 09:33 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 156

That's an interesting rendering, mostly for what it leaves out. It's cropped in such a way as to conceal what, if any, signage will remain...


I heard a rumor that it may very well be called Sanford Center before too long.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 09:45 AM by Rick 157

Rick, take it for what its worth, someone at Minnescraper.com mentioned that US Bank was leading the bidding war.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 10:08 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 158

I'm in favor of renovating Target Center, but have a feeling the final renovations will look as much like the renderings as Target Field looked like some of early proposed Twins Stadiums. It's going to come down to how much money is made available and when.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 10:55 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 159

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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 12:49 PM by Jctw Highlight this comment 160

Sorry, mistake post...

Heard in the Twins pro shop yesterday they have officially declared the era of the "M" cap over. The guy I talked to didn't know if there was an official plan for a Saturday uniform yet. Has anyone heard? They're still selling last year's Saturday uniform, and haven't received anything different.

I'll be interested to see if they're still selling 2010 Inaugural Season caps once the season starts. There are still plenty of them to be had if anyone thinks they will be a future collector's item.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM by jctwins (aka Jctw) Highlight this comment 161

jctwins-
The throwback jersey's are staying, but they haven't announced when they will be wearing them yet (if a specific day, like last year). The players love them and so do fans so they said they are considering making them the permanent jersey. I haven't heard an update since that was said a few weeks ago.

Interesting that there are still hats left. I might be tempted to get one.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:24 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 162

Good, the 'M' cap was always hideous...a perfect example of ill 1980's "fashion".

You can put it right up there with those white sweatshirts with the silk screen print on the front from '87.

God-awful.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:27 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 163

FWIW it looks like MLB and the other sites still have Inaugural Season caps available, too.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM by jctwins (aka Jctw) Highlight this comment 164

I think the "Sanford (and Son) Center" would be a perfect name, considering the "junk" they try to peddle in that place!

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:36 PM by B Highlight this comment 165

Wow, you could take that a couple of different ways.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:43 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 166

Dave St. Peter said that the cream throwbacks are available to wear anytime this year, not just Saturdays.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:04 PM by FD Highlight this comment 167

Great uniform choices. The throwbacks really class up the team and the ballpark. And the 'M' cap, despite evoking pleasant memories, remind me too much of the Gray Sky Years...

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM by Rick 168

I for one hope that the throwback does not become the permanent home jersey. I dislike the "cream" color of them. Its like the Padre's gold/grey road uniforms. There is just something offputing about them. I miss the throwback they wore the final season of the metrodome. But the current white pinstripe home jersey will always be my favorite.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:21 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 169

2012 will be the 25th anniversary of the 1987 team. At this point it appears that there isn't going to be a commemoration for the year? I hope not, it's getting old after Metrodome, Inaugural Season, 50th anniversary, etc.

Maybe they bring the M back for Saturdays or something. I'm guessing there's no way they'll be able to go more than a year without a special anniversary being celebrated.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:22 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 170

I completely disagree with you guys in regard to the M cap. I think the New Era all navy fitted's look a lot better than the TC logo on the same cap.

For the fans wearing them as well, it is a more stylish design.

I do like the red and blue TC hats though.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:30 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 171

2012 could also be spent celebrating a 2011 World Series Championship...

The throwbacks can be worn on any day this upcoming season...If tradition stands, it will be the starting pitcher who will select the uniform for that game.

I bought an authentic 2010 road cap (with the 2010 Inaugural Season patch) at Twinsfest on sale for 50% off...$17 or so. I would never pay the $35 for one, but thought $17 was a great buy.

Anyways...hard to believe, but FIVE weeks from today is Opening Day 2011! Home Opener only six weeks away!

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:38 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 172

Logo opinions depend a lot on your perspective.

To me, the 'M' will always be an also-ran. The 'TC' goes back to opening day 1961, and was used exclusively for about a quarter of a century before the 'M' made its first appearance. Every single one of my childhood baseball caps had the 'TC' logo. There was nothing else!

So, to me, the 'TC' will always be the only authentic Twins logo. But that's just my perspective, of course.

And, yes, I'm aware that the team was never actually called the "Twin Cities Twins." Somehow, the fact that the logo represents Calvin Griffith's cheapness (he was unwilling to pay someone to design another logo after the league rejected "Twin Cities" as not the name of a city) makes it all the more endearing.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:39 PM by Rick 173

One of the primary reasons (if not, the reason) the TC logo was brought back in a more dominant role was to pay respect to Calvin Griffith in 2000.

After he died in late 1999, the Twins wanted to wear the TC caps for home games in honor of Calvin.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 174

I think it is a generation thing to some extent. Us old farts love the TC logo, but I do know many young people who also prefer the TC over the M. The M has great WS memories but I feel the same way as Rick, it reminds me more of the mid-late 90's and I'd prefer to never remember those days and the dump they played in.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 3:20 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 175

For 28 years I yearned for outdoor major league baseball again in Minnesota. For 38 years I longed to see the Twins in their original 1961-1971 pinstripes (especially during the awful double-knit era from '72 - '86 when they wore baseball's version of the leisure suit). I was in my glory on Saturdays last year. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I guess uniform preference is dependent to a large degree on what the uniforms looked like when we were kids and being taken to our first games by our fathers.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM by terry Highlight this comment 176

"2012 could also be spent celebrating a 2011 World Series Championship..."

For whom?

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 3:27 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 177

Ben,
For the yankees after they sweep the twins in the 1st round yet again.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 3:31 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 178

I agree with PNB19. The 2009 Dome throwbacks are the best. I'm not a big pinstripe guy, but I don't mind the cream throwbacks. I actually like the SF Giants home uniforms and they are cream.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM by FD Highlight this comment 179

I wasn't a fan of the '09 throwbacks...too large a field of blank white, I thought. The '61 throwbacks are simply things of beauty. I'm also a fan of the blue letters with red piping rather than the red letters. And then, the players who wear high socks with the cream pins? Nirvana!

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 4:27 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 180

I have always hated the 'm' logo. I think the 'TC' logo looks neater and is the best logo in baseball IMO.

I like the blue 'TC' with the red bill the best. I also think they should make the cream colored jerseys the everyday home jersey.

Why not stick with perfection?

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 4:50 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 181

Might be an answer elsewhere on the 'Net, but were the "M" caps worn by the Twins at all last year? I honestly don't recall seeing them, but maybe I just didn't notice.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 5:29 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 182

I hadn't thought if it that way, but since I was a kid when the M hat was current, and my first hat was an M hat, I like it. I was hopeful it would make an appearance last year, as it was still an official hat apparently, but I watched almost every game and don't ever remember seeing it.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 5:32 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 183

Does anyone remember what song Danny Valencia, Ben Revere, and Jason Repko used last year?

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 6:44 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 184

Danny V's was Winner by Jamie Foxx featuring Justin Timberlake and T.I.
I remember because I liked it so I looked it up after I heard it. I don't remember the other songs.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 8:24 PM by Aj Highlight this comment 185

I don't think the twins ever wore the m hat last year but brett favre wouldn't take his off, and i thought that was awesome.xt

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 9:26 PM by jp Highlight this comment 186

fiesta - I have to agree. The blue letters with red piping just seems to stand out so much better. I thought the 09 throwbacks were cool actually - I thought they looked better than the ones in 82. The ones in 82 were the polyester pullover type that were all the rage in MLB back then. I'm glad they didn't go THAT far with the throwback.

And, also agreed on the "M" caps. Never was too big a fan of those. I always liked the TC. Back in the day, if memory serves correctly, my first cap was a TC.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM by luke Highlight this comment 187

I heard a reference on MLB Network Radio two days ago that Jesse Crain had mentioned that while other Twins players congratulated him on his new contract with the Sox that Morneau has given him the cold shoulder -- no congrats, no return of texts or voicemails, nada. Apparently it isn't just Twins fans who take the rivalry seriously.

Speaking of former No. 28s - when Blyleven's No. 28 is retired this summer, it will be the first time in MLB history that a team has retired the No. 28.

Posted on February 25, 2011 at 11:33 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 188

Truth, that's interesting info and all, but right now we're more interested in knowing which Twins cap each reader prefers. What was your first cap? When? Why did you choose that particular one over another?

It would be nice to include an interesting story to accompany your selection -- a la Luke.

Posted on February 26, 2011 at 12:39 AM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 189

Not including the obvious, i.e. real grass, HERC, what's an underrated favorite aspect of the railyard that you appreciate most?

Killebrew statue

Posted on February 26, 2011 at 12:46 AM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 190

This does not count as underrated, but I did not know it until my TF tour on 12/11: the nine 40-foot tall bat shaped topiaries on the plaza change colors during the game. Starting with the closest to the field, each topiary light turns red for each inning played. The tour guides did not know what they did for extra innings. 

Posted on February 26, 2011 at 06:00 AM by Buzz Highlight this comment 191

Favorite aspect? That's tough, since so many things are "right" about Target Field.

I think I'd have to go with the open concourse, being able to see the field as you're walking around, being able to hear the game when you're in line at a concession stand.

Now, I don't know how "underrated" that is, but I likes it. :-)

Posted on February 26, 2011 at 08:21 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 192

I don't think you would call it underrated, but one of the things I like that is not talked about often is the field orientation. Target Field faces pretty much due East. The reason I like that is that the sun shines onto the third base side of the stadium seating pretty much the whole time during a 12:10 game. The old Met faced southeast, and I always liked the sun there too, which would start at the third base side and then move to left field.

Posted on February 26, 2011 at 09:02 AM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 193

Twins vs Red Sox tonight @ 6 on the radio!

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 194

MLB At Bat 11 app came out just in time :):)

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 2:18 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 195

Anyone on here belong to the "On Deck Circle" waiting list? If so, when is the single game pre-sale for those people?

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 2:45 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 196

"The Duke of Flatbush". 9/19/1926 - 2/27/2011. Rest in Peace

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 3:48 PM by terry Highlight this comment 197

AJ,

Danny V may have had that song at one point, but he mostly used Magic by B.O.B, click name for song.

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM by TK Highlight this comment 198

Only an inning and a third into the game and I'm already thanking God that this is Gordo's last season!!!

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 199

A nice RBI 3B from Repko. Hopefully we can see this continue beyond his first AB in ST...

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM by TK Highlight this comment 200

A nice start for the Twins today in an 8-4 over Boston.

Click name for Box Score.

Notables:

J. Benson, 3RBI 3B
J. Bailey, HR (6 regular season HR in 3 seasons, hits one against his former employer)

I know it's early and ST is no strong indication, but it is nice to see our team swinging the bat well, 12H with 35AB.

Only hiccup in the pen came with Swarzak: 4H, 3R, 2ER

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM by TK Highlight this comment 201

Interesting TK, every time I went to a game he had the "Winner" song. I don't recall hearing that other one. I don't like it, so I could have tuned it out. Some players have different at bat songs for each at bat (Hudson had five), so he could have done that as well.

My favorite at bat from tonight's game was Benson's. All he needs to do is cut down on his strikeout, the guy's going to be a stud. I've been a fan of his for awhile.

Posted on February 27, 2011 at 10:18 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 202

Steve,

I know you are able to get the radio broadcast for spring training on the MLB at Bat App. Do you get the radio broacasts for the regular season as well or do you have to pay more for that?

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 08:10 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 203

Fate of the centerfield trees has been announced...

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 11:18 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 204

As a season ticket holder, if I will that tree its going to be my christmas tree next year. Why aren't they giving the ten that are going to state parks away?

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 12:04 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 205

Because no matter what they do, SOMEBODY is going to complain.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 12:23 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 206

An officially licensed spruce tree from Target Field...with the official MLB authentication hologram...gotta love it.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 12:24 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 207

Have the Twins made any announcments about possible changes in the concession items? I've been wondering if the Senor Smoke and Frankie V stands will either get upgraded food or just be done away with in favor of regular stands. Neither one overwhelmed anyone with their offerings and too often sat idle while lines for other stands were ten deep.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 2:10 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 208

I'm pretty sure I said this last year, but if they'd just combine the options into every they could spread the lines across more stands and avoid the inevitable waiting in line only to find out they only have (over priced) walleye fingers in Center field.

The ice-cream stand was the worst. I said before they should have electronic signs that can be changed midway through the game to make clear where you can stand in line for ice cream, and where you can stand for hot dogs, etc.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 4:18 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 209

Wow....I guess I didn't realize so many went without basic cable (something I could never image being without).

I guess my suggestion would be to those who don't have it: "If you really, really, want to watch Twins baseball, get basic cable."

Quite simple, really.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 4:35 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 210

Hard to argue with the last post: TV and broadcast baseball is not an entitlement. If you want it, pay for it. Basic cable hasn't been considered a luxury since the 80's.

Ultimately, this seems like much ado about nothing and I am sure the Twins and have carefully considered the potentially negative impacts on their fanbase and decided it was worth it.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM by pwilbome@gmail.com Highlight this comment 211

Joe117:

With the MLB At Bat App you get all the radio broadcasts all season (spring training and regular season, No Blackouts). You also get all the TV games during spring training. This is pretty neat to be able to access anywhere you are. Especially since the Twins only broadcast 5 games this year when several other teams are broadcasting many, many games.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM by Max Highlight this comment 212

Joe117,
Max is right..It's all season..No brainer app if you love MLB baseball and if I'm traveling in the car and I can't get the audio on the radio I just plug in my phone to my aux jack in my stereo and I get the broadcast crystal clear..It's worth the 15 bucks..

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 6:51 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 213

I can't take it any longer: I'm starting to bring out all my pics from TF last year, and my $40 Target Field book. God, I can't wait to get to TF again this year. It's been too long.

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 6:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 214

OK, backtracking in the conversations here. Finally settled on my "favorite underrated" part of TF. I just love the Town Ball Tavern, everything it stands for. Baseball as truly the people's game. The photos of teams from across the entire state are great. (The walleye sandwich and Summit on tap are both good, too.)

Posted on February 28, 2011 at 9:29 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 215

The problem with cable is comcast sucks and thats my only option for cable.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 03:43 AM by Leory Highlight this comment 216

Yes Fred, quite simple. Get cable. What's not so simple is deciding what in the budget to trim to make it possible. I'm not whining - the Twins have made their decision and I will live with it. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

pwilbome - Cable tv not a luxury item? I fail to see that. I can't think of any argument that would point to cable tv (or any tv actually) being a need.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 09:24 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 217

i leave in a week for Ft Myers, we are staying in the bell tower shopping area, can anyone tell me fun bars and resturants around the area? my lady wants to go to the everglades day safari so that might be a whole day and we are doing two games... no car but i have a tailgate plan!!!!!!!!!

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 09:49 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 218

Stevie B-

I hear ya. I'm not made of money either. But I don't see the problem here. Is it worth $10/week to watch the Twins play or not? If it is, I'm sure most families can figure out away to squeeze an extra $10 a week out of their budget, if they feel it's important to them to do so.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 219

Fred - Worth and cost are not the same thing. I might get $10/week value from signing up for cable and watching the Twins but it comes with a cost of cutting something else out. With a family of 5, an already tight budget and not a lot of "extras" (Caribou, dining out, etc) in said budget there is not really room to carve it out. It's tough enough when we get an unexpected car repair or things like that. And then there are the families with no jobs or others with limited income.

I understand the Twins business move, I just don't agree with it. I don't see the need for exclusivity if they truly want to get their product to the most people possible.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 220

If you don't want to pay or decide that you can't afford it, the radio will always be there. It's free and baseball is the most "radio-friendly" of all major professional sports. 40+ years ago, that was how the majority of fans accessed the game. Personally, I probably listen to more games than I watch anyways as I try to spend as much time outdoors in the summer as possible.

And I feel for the families that are in a situation where they TRULY can't figure out a way to get cable.....but my bet is there is a far greater number of families who don't have cable because they CHOOSE to spend their money on other things that they want to enjoy. Some would rather spend their money on season tickets for the Twins, fancy nice cameras, vacations, etc. Others would rather have cable, and instead can't afford season tickets, fancy cameras, and vacations. I think the vast majority of families fall into these two categories.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:11 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 221

Just for clarity, if you reread the original post above, you'll see that I never argued that free baseball is some sort of right. It's not.

And I also never argued that cable/satellite is either some sort of luxury or necessity. To each his own.

I argued that the Twins made a bad business decision, and I'll continue to stand by that. They are cutting out, at minimum, 18% of their potential audience (for the math-impaired, that's 1 out of every 5 potential TV viewing fans -- at least). The long tail of that decision is almost guaranteed to be a net negative.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM by Rick 222

I listen to nearly every game via radio - I get a lot more done that way. It was just nice to have the option to watch one game a week if I was home on a Sunday afternoon.

Now if AM 1500 would figure out how to boost their signal or get a FM station to simulcast the games. Followed a Twins game from just outside Chicago once on 830 - 1500 barely comes in sometimes in the west metro.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 223

A game a week is hardly too much to ask under any circumstance. I really think the Twins could get by very comfortably without looking under every rock for every last nickel.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 11:42 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 224

I agree Ben, there's nothing this damn team won't sell to make a buck, including one of the stupid trees.

On the flip side, enough with the whining about cable. Most of the people that I know personally who are whining about the TV issue also have a $10,000 boat they use 4 months out of the year, a $5000 4-wheeler collecting dust in the garage, a cabin up north, a $500 camera...Wah wah wah!! If you can't prioritize your expenses, quit yer bitchin!

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:09 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 225

kevin in az - Most of the people I know who are disappointed with the cable issue are NOT in the group you cite.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 12:34 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 226

Here is a question for y'all, to break up this monotony:

If you were a batter or a relief pitcher, what song would you want for your intro?

Mine - Rusty Cage (Soundgarden)....linked up for you old fogey's.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:51 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 227

Hmm, not sure who you've been hearing Kev, but it's hard to believe there are too many people meeting those criteria here...

Anyway, turning from rational argument to personal preferences for a moment, here's my personal take on the change, and why it disappoints me as a fan (rather than as an analyst).

I don't want to watch every Twins game. I do follow every game, either with the radio, TV (in the past), or the Gameday feeds. After the fact, I read recaps and box scores, and check out highlights on the local news or online.

Actually watching a whole game on TV is sort of an exclusive activity. In other words, it's hard to do something else while watching a game on TV. I rarely have that kind of time during the week.

But my weekend afternoons are just made for baseball on TV. I'm less inclined to be worrying about work stuff, or being pulled in multiple directions. The kids can enjoy it with me and learn a little about the game each week. The broadcast schedule of the past few years has been just perfect for me and my family.

So we should just bite the bullet and pony up, right?

Well, in thinking about this I've realized that, if I were to upgrade my cable package (I currently have the antenna replacement only for $15 per month because reception is so bad here in south Minneapolis), it would not likely increase the number of games I'd be watching. It would just mean I'm paying for the privilege of watching what I used to watch for free. (Yes, I know, that's the whole point from the Twins' perspective.) So the question becomes: How much does that cost and is it worth it?

Consider that I'd also be paying for games I wouldn't watch, as well as myriads of channels I wouldn't watch. That's hard for me to justify at any cost, even if we were flush with cash (which we're not, by the way, though we also aren't really struggling at this moment, knock on wood).

Here's some quick math: If I upgrade at the promo pricing ($40 per month, or $25 more than I spend now), I'd be spending about $300 extra per year to watch about 20 games, or $15 per game. Once the promo expires, that's $540 per year extra, or $27 per game. To some, that may be a good enough value.

Everybody's got a different approach to money management, but one of our cardinal rules is that we gauge value before spending money. And this one is pretty easy: For our household, paying for even an entry-level sports package at up to $60 per month would be a pretty bad value. It doesn't even get to the table for serious discussion.

So, that's the financial part.

But then there's this intangible part. The Twins sell themselves as an asset to the state (not just to get a new ballpark, but all the time). They want us to remember that we live in "Twins Territory" and "This is your team!"

Well, that's always been a bunch of crap, but I've never cared before. I love the game, and I love the team, even though it feels more and more like I'm professing "love" for a mercenary corporation that just wants to manipulate my emotions for cash.

In order to maintain even the illusion of populism, it's really in their best interest to make concessions to the people who either don't have the money, or just don't want to spend every last cent with this particular entertainment corporation. It's about building the brand and the sport across generations and socioeconomic divides.

The free Sunday afternoon broadcasts were just such a concession, and it cost them next to nothing to do it. (Make no mistake, the "exclusive" deal can't be that much more lucrative, unless they get some sort of kickback for increases in subscriber levels.)

In some corners of the country, baseball long ago ceased to be a sport for the common folk. In Boston, as an example, it takes real money to be a Red Sox fan. That hasn't always been the case here, but this move takes us a big notch in that direction -- and in the interest of only marginally increased profits. It's a callous, cynical move that they didn't have to make. The appearance is that they did it just because they could, and we can just suck on it.

So I sort of feel myself being kicked to the curb by the Twins, and I don't much like it. And if a life-long fan feels that way, how does the casual or recent fan feel? Does this type of move raise a barrier that is just tall enough to dissuade the next generation of fans or their parents? Does beefing up the pay wall (which has been there forever, by the way) really benefit the game in the long run?

I don't know the answer to these things. But they say that baseball always finds a way to break your heart, and that's kind of my emotional reaction here.

(Keep in mind that I'm giving you my emotional reaction separate from my colder analysis above. I can separate the two, and I think the business piece stands on its own without any of the emotional stuff.)

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:52 PM by Rick 228

...also linked up for you youngin's that listen to nothing but that pretentious Emo crybaby BS.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 1:55 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 229

I am curious how much actual time most people spend watching Twins baseball. I watch bits and pieces, often just the last few innings. I could never sit there for three hours and watch an entire game at game speed (entirely different than being AT the game). I have become sufficiently spoiled by my DVR that I record the game and do other things until around the sixth inning. I can then watch all of the action (fastforwarding through the dead time and commercials) in about an hour. I don't really care what the talking heads are bantering about, I am solely interested in the baseball game itself.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:11 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 230

I probably watch about 4-5 entire games a week. I've got 2 TV's in my living room, so I will usually put the game on my smaller 32" LCD and then watch whatever on my 50" (typically the girlfriend is controlling that one)

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 231

Excellent, concise, and well delivered points Rick!! If I remember correctly, you have long planned/promised to do a piece on the teams emerging arrogance and I, for one, eagerly look forward to seeing that done and presented.

One salient point, which I tried to get across earlier is whether the team would have even considered a deal (TV) such as this BEFORE they nailed down the stadium deal. Presumably, they would not have dared, lest they irritate too large a % of their fan base. So, why now?

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 2:34 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 232

All we need to do is look back to April 2004 and the failed launch of Victory Sports One...fans were very angryhe they could not get Twins baseball on TV and it was in early May, just one month, into the season that the Twins reached a deal with FSN to put Twins baseball back on the TV's throughout Twins Territory.

I was lucky that my cable company was one of the select few to offer Victory Sports One at that time, but most cable companies in Twins Territory did not.

I second Ben's thoughts in that I look forward to reading your reviews on the Twins' emerging arrogance.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 233

Badjuggler,

I tend to watch about 80 games a year on TV and attend another 35-40. I am not the casual baseball fan and truly enjoy every aspect of the game. I am married, no children, and my wife knows that once baseball season arrives she loses her husband for about 9 months. She understands my love for the game, however, we have been able to do a majority of it together (except she does not watch it on TV).

If possible, I watch the game in its entirety, however, that is often impossible. I tend to at least watch as much as I can (4-6 innings), and sometimes bring work home to be able to multitask. Mid summer is when I tend to have less time to watch the baseball games on TV and resort to radio. If I am near my phone, it is updating constantly. When the Twins play out West, I tend to be able to stay up late and watch the entire game. When they are out East, I tend to only catch 3 innings, typically towards the end of the game.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 3:33 PM by tk Highlight this comment 234

Mazaratirick: I am destroying a Grimaldi's pizza of Brooklyn, NY fame from the Bell Tower Shops as we speak. Highly recommended. There is a movie theater there and some people like Shoeless Joe's at the Crowne Plaza (especially when the NCAA tourney starts). Getting around Ft Myers this time of year is hard enough with a car (basically the roads are parking lots), I don't know how you'll do it without one. There aren't many cabs in town. How much was a rental car (I've looked in the past and they were extortion...)? Pay attention as LaVelle is supposed to post his guide to Ft Myers this week. He is usually a big fan of The Beached Whale on Ft Myers Beach, Nino's Italian near the ballpark in a strip mall, and Pott's Sports Cafe in the same plaza where I hear the Twinscentric crew is having a postgame gathering next Tuesday.

Rick: Well thought out post. To me it all comes down to 1 thing. Priorities...

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 6:25 PM by Max Highlight this comment 235

I probably watch 150 Twins games on TV each season, the full 9 or so innings. Used to drive my wife nuts, but now she's sucked in, too. What else is there on any of those 200 other channels all summer?

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:02 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 236

oh, and I try to attend those other 12 or so...

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:03 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 237

and I do get a kick out of those 30-minute condensed version of day games (last pitch of each AB) "Squeeze Play"(?) I try to avoid hearing the game during the day if I know one of those is scheduled.

Posted on March 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 238

Sitting in the hospital waiting for my first-born son to decide it's time to start crawling toward the light....induction likely to begin in the morning, which means he'll share a birthday with Ron Gant, Terry Steinbach and Mel Ott.

The Labor Hurts (so my wife says...)

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:06 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 239

schweady-
I'm about the same. I probably watch 130 on tv, most of them all 9 innings. Then I go to 25 games a year.

Twins and hockey are the only reason I have cable. But my budget is pretty easy. I don't buy unnecessary crap. I don't eat out. I don't have a cell phone. If the place I'm going to is within a few miles I walk. I don't go to the movies or any of that. Movies are way too expensive these days, especially with the crap they have every year. Only one or two good ones the entire year.

There are certainly cases where people literally can't afford it and I respect that. If there are other priorities, those need to be taken care of first..no doubt. And if you just watched it on Sunday, it's not worth paying for it for so few games. But if the Twins are a high priority and something you love or are passionate about, it really isn't that much money if you can squeeze it in.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:08 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 240

Wow, please keep us posted TTH! And many congrats in advance.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:59 AM by Rick 241

Max,
thanks! yea im at the crown so shoeless joe's will always start out .. looks like the ballpark is not that far from the bell tower area might be a shuttle or a trolly that goes there .. did not want to rent a car for drinking reasons...

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 01:44 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 242

I'm sure it is easier for people who can walk down to Target Field whenever they want and go to a half dozen or more games a year to say "No thanks!" to upgrading their cable. Those of us who live hours away from the Twin Cities, and make a game a year if we are lucky, really have no choice if we want to see any games at all this season.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 08:03 AM by James1979 Highlight this comment 243

?? James... We are 3 hours and 10 minutes from TF Plaza, and I still made my goal of seeing at least one Twins game in each calendar month (except October. $#!+%^@#) It's a matter of what's important to you, I guess. I grew up in Mpls, and it seems there's always something we're planning to do for the next time we're down.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 09:14 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 244

I will attend about 15 out of the 20 games of my 20 game package. I would like to drop my high speed intenet and pirate my neighbors but they are all secured. LOL! I have digital plus and HD with no premium channels with comcast. Love the MLB network in HD along with NHL network in HD. I also have the DVR so speed watching is a must! I can hardly watch anything in SD anymore. HD has spoiled me for good! First game April 9th. Something tells me we won't be having the spring we had last year! Loved watching the replay of the home opener vs Bosox from last year. Ohhh and lets put the checkerboard grass cut back like it was for that game!!!!!!!!

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 09:22 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 245

The Twins must have hacked into the Star Tribune's website trying to prevent information about Morneau, because the links on several pages to the blog I have attached about Morneau's non-clearance linked back to the homepage or twins sports page.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM by tk Highlight this comment 246

I was originally excited to see that the Twins had initiated a 'SplitSeason Ticket Service,' allowing STHs -- all levels -- to share some of their seats for some of their games. I thought, "This is the way to get a great seat for a game or two -- maybe even the opener -- in a section I'd never otherwise have a chance." The reality is not so appealing: I have yet to find one that doesn't include the statement "Must take at least 10 Games." Anyone's thoughts on this new 'service?'

clicky

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:01 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 247

How are the section numbers screwed up on the Twins own ticket sharing service? They have the 300 level as the 500 level and the section where my seats are 239 is now 211? What the hell.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:07 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 248

Rick, How's the individual seat map project coming along?

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:22 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 249

It will be included in the new Game Central section of the site which will be up by opening day. There will be games, prizes, seat reviews, and a host of other resources available to people either attending or, in some cases, just following the game.

(I'd love to make this site my full time job, but it just won't feed the kids yet. Still gotta make music and videos for that.)

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:36 PM by Rick 250

Almost forgot: I do web sites, too. Anybody need one of those?

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:38 PM by Rick 251

Almost forgot: I do still photography, too. (Maybe I'm no Jared, but my new camera has already paid for itself!)

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:40 PM by Rick 252

Twins announced today that season ticket sales have reached capacity for the 2011 season at 25,000 FSE's...

Funny how they claim they expanded the FSE capacity to 25,000 this year based on high demands....that must be BS because I thought they were capped at 25,000 last year as well??

Same exact thing they said last year...

If you feel left out, you can join the On Deck Circle to get "priority" for 2012!!! How many people on that On Deck Circle waiting list actually were approved for a season ticket package this year??

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 253

More breaking news: on DSP's twitter feed, he announced that the TC logo behind home plate will be in red and white this year.

Hungry for any news these days. He also said promotions would be announced later this week and new foods at TF would be announced later in March.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 12:50 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 254

Promotions schedule is attached, click name

Not sure if this is the complete list, but it appears to be.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 1:30 PM by tk Highlight this comment 255

Sunday, June 19, Pepsi Driver's Cap (first 10,000 males). Really? Why can women not get these? I know lots of women drivers...

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 1:34 PM by tk Highlight this comment 256

Really looking forward to the pick-off bobblehead!

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM by tk Highlight this comment 257

The only one I will be after is the Bobblehead on Friday, August 5.

Bert Blyleven Day might be fun too to see his number retired and get a free baseball.

Other than that, not a big fan of the DQ caps and WE-Fest straw hats.

The guaranteed giveaway probably not worth the $55 this year. Although the bobblhead will be very popular and in high-demand. That's assuming you get a bobblehead (more specifically, a bobblehead that is not broken) in one of your boxes...

I am sure they will send the Pentair Twins Cap, DQ Caps, WE-Fest Cowboy Hat, Valencia Kids Jersey as part of the guaranteed giveaway package.

If you have kids, the bat days are a lot of fun. Other than that, there is really no need to have stadium giveaways/promotions when you know you will be essentially selling out every game.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 2:37 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 258

Kudos to the Twins on the Gant/Hrbek pick-off bobble head. Very St. Paul Saints of them to have some fun like that.

I was going to make a joke about having a downturned Charlie Leibrandt post-Puckett dinger bobblehead but that is just too mean. That image of him walking off the mound after giving that up that shot still makes my heart sink even though I am a 100% Twins fan. He did get a ring with the '85 Royals so I guess I don't feel quite as bad as I would if he never got one at all.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 2:55 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 259

Linked is a photo showing the new scoreboard operating, and also a look at what the now naked batters eye looks like.

(Luke's scoreboard rant to follow)

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 3:04 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 260

The CF wall looks bare now, but put some red flowers in there and we'll soon forget there were ever trees there. Unless we look at pictures.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 3:21 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 261

Saturday July 16th. Bert's day

Blyleven Baseball
Postgame - First 20,000 Fans
Presented by Ford

How do you think they will distribute the baseballs post game? I believe we are playing the royals, are they thinking 20,000 will leave prior to the 9th inning? Do we wait for 20,000 to leave then hand out the balls? After the final pitch, the first 20,000 out the door get baseballs? Will people start lining up at the doors in the 5th inning in anticipation?

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 3:41 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 262

I'm thinking the first 20,000 into the game get some type of card/ticket, and on the way out they exchange it for the baseball.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 3:44 PM by Go Go Twins Highlight this comment 263

About a 0% chance they put flowers in the batters eye I would think. I'm not sure they would even be allowed. Sounds like it will just be bare green, with that new aluminium sheeting over it.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 264

On the new Trap scoreboard, clearly there will be an ad placed in the blank spot between the Pepsi and Ford signs. However, will there be an ad placed directly below the Ford and Delta signs? It will look quite odd if they don't due to cris crossing supports.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 4:18 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 265

Most likely just some poor formatting on the Twins website. My guess: First 20,000 in get balls (line up the night before folks, cuz there's probably actually only 6-8,000 left by game time), probably features a stamped autograph and a huge honkin' Ford logo. And then there is ALSO to be some sort of postgame program. You know that Bert couldn't be restricted to the time limits that a pregame ceremony would impose, and he will be in the booth, honking his own horn, inviting guests to congratulate him, etc etc.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 4:24 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 266

Jorge- Not sure what would fit well there, but I do see the opportunity for a couple of pennants, maybe with overlapping/criss-crossing tips at the center?? Either advertising or just celebratory decoration.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 4:30 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 267

Right, Pat.
Incidentally, do you notice how the whole monkey outfit out there blocks the Sanford sign on Target Center? At least from that section...

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 4:52 PM by luke Highlight this comment 268

It'll be interesting to see the TC behind home colored in now. I actually liked it all white, it looked classic.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 5:55 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 269

One disclaimer very prominent in the guaranteed giveaway spiel was that it would NOT contain breakable items ("such as bobbleheads"). I can't see them leaving the bobblehead out while still delivering anything of any value but I am a hell of a lot more honest and fan friendly than the Twins brass. Watch for the lure to be finally included - I think I did manage to get to them on that score.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 6:20 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 270

Received my season tickets today!

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 6:26 PM by bp Highlight this comment 271

Anybody been following the e-tickets bill in the MN Legislature?

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 6:43 PM by TK Highlight this comment 272

BTW, much better pics on the front of the, this year.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 6:43 PM by bp Highlight this comment 273

S.F. No. 425 - Event Ticket Regulation

See attached

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM by TK Highlight this comment 274

From what I could gather:
1. Teams want more convenience
2. Brokers want to ensure the ability for resale.

If teams are able to restrict resale then I'll have to cancel my season tickets as I am able to attend about 15 games by selling the rest of them.

Also, doesn't MLB get a lot of the proceeds from stubhub. Why would they want to get rid of that?

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 6:55 PM by bp Highlight this comment 275

Well, DSP was at the capitol in force today. "We have a lot of people who are trying to buy season tickets who live out of state..."

I think they are arguing to get many of the tickets with those QR Codes. Those will be almost impossible to transfer, especially if they are uploaded to mobile devices. Not everyone has a smart phone. First cable, now you have to have a smart phone...

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 7:00 PM by TK Highlight this comment 276

Here is the House Bill: H.F. No. 657

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 7:18 PM by TK Highlight this comment 277

Click name for WCCO report from tonight about the e-tickets.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 7:38 PM by TK Highlight this comment 278

For those that had a chance to view the WCCO video, I am confused on what Kessler is trying to say (as it first appears that the bill is in support of free market/and then later it appears that it is going against free market) and he does not really define what is really happening in this bill.

I am needing this broken down into lehman's terms...

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 7:50 PM by TK Highlight this comment 279

Got my tickets today also. Range from 14 face up to 19 per game. Sure like paying the 13 per game!

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:22 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 280

Twinkfan,

Did you get the e-mail letting you know that your tickets were on the way. I read somewhere that they would send out an announcement to us, when our tickets were shipped, so that we knew to be on the lookout for them.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 281

I'll give the e-ticket thing a go, risking totally being wrong:

Recent advances in ticket technology have made it possible for the original seller (Twins, Ordway, whomever) to package tickets in a way that restricts or prevents resale. You would basically have to use it yourself or cancel it (sell it back). DSP, among others, argue that this will curb the inflationary/exclusionary effect that scalpers currently use to price out the average fan while reaping obscene personal profit.

The bill attempts to force tickets to (continue to be) be sold in a way that (continues to) allows re-sale on the free market --for whatever price, to whomever is willing to buy.

Anybody think I'm on the right track, or no?

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 282

schweady - my guess is they will somehow find a way to give the balls to people on their way out. Maybe via the aforementioned card given out on your way in or some other way. They don't want to put baseballs in the hands of 20,000 people inside the park, have a bad call go against the Twins and suddenly have baseballs raining down on the field. I recall a game at the dome where they gave out balls to fans on their way out of the place. Don't remember exactly when that was but it was a number of years ago and

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 283

Stevie B,

I think you are on the right track.

I have never figured that one out. They exclude whole apples, oranges and other fruit (all items must be cut into small pieces) that could potentially be thrown onto the field, yet you can go into any gift shop and purchase a baseball. I am much more accurate throwing a baseball than I am with a whole apple. I'm sure the thought process is, "if I purchase an item at the stadium, I'm not very likely to lose it by throwing it onto the field." If an item is given to me, in essence it is free, I'm more likely to give it a toss if I am not happy with a call or a player.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:22 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 284

Thanks schweady for your interpretation.

The first thing Amelia stated in the segment, "a bill that would make it a lot tougher to resale your tickets." So I went into my view on the article thinking that this was a bill to prevent a free market and allow it to be almost impossible for secondary market purchases.

I guess what I was seeing, that it is a bill that prevents e-tickets? And in the headline it talks about e-tickets coming to Minnesota.

I think I just need to go lie down and wait until it becomes law or is voted down.

Posted on March 2, 2011 at 9:41 PM by TK Highlight this comment 285

"Received my season tickets today!"

Me too. Did you notice that your little packet of coupons did not include (as in the past) one good for a media guide?

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:01 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 286

Not only did I receive my season tickets, but I also received a 9 lb., 7 oz. son. (Not too shabby of a day.) Welcome to the world, Cooper. (as in Cooperstown)

TTH

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:35 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 287

Congrats TTH. I hope you are able to get Cooper out to his first game real soon!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:40 AM by TK Highlight this comment 288

Hearty congrats TTH!

A good friend of mine also named a son Cooper --- after Cooper Smith, a character on the old "Wagon Train" TV show (way before your time). Always thought is was a neat name.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 01:25 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 289

Cooper is a great name TTH, congrats!!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 05:58 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 290

COOOOOOOOOOOP!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 06:52 AM by Buzz Highlight this comment 291

I actually received an email from stubhub about this. I cant remember the specifics of the text. But when I get a better chance this morning I will copy and paste it over and show you the Stubhub view.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 07:15 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 292

Congrats TTH!!!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 07:18 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 293

Thanks, Stevie: I forgot about the Potential Projectile Problem...

TK: Amelia isn't there to get the story right, just bat her eyes at Frank and turn the pages... My head hurt, too, trying to unravel the basic story. Didn't get it until reading the House bill.

Guess I'm only batting .500 on my last 2 posts. HOF!

And congrats, TTH! (Although I was pulling for 'Rikalbert.')

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 07:31 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 294

Here is the text of the email I received. Its no revelation like I initially thought and the WCCO story may be informative but maybe you can get a judgement of tone or something from it. Seems like they are targeting Ticketmaster in their verbal fight...;)

As you read this, companies like Ticketmaster are working to implement a restrictive paperless ticketing system that could deprive you of your essential rights as a fan.

With restrictive paperless ticketing, you pay for your ticket – but you don't own it. The transfer of your ticket is controlled by the company you bought it from.

This means you may not be able to give your extra tickets to a friend, sell them to another fan, or even donate them to a charity. This could also mean the end of competition in the ticketing market, making it so companies like Ticketmaster could charge whatever fees they wanted and you'd have no alternative but to pay.

Fortunately, we can fight this. The Fan Freedom Project was created to give fans like you a platform to voice your outrage toward restrictive paperless ticketing, and to learn what measures you can take to protect your rights.

We've signed on to support the cause. And we hope you'll lend your voice to the fight today by registering at www.fanfreedom.org.

Sincerely,

The StubHub Team

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 07:45 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 295

Congrates TTH,

The Twins won their first World championship the year my son was born, I hope you get the same great memories of watching October baseball with Coop in your lap. 1987 was a fall I will never forget.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 08:14 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 296

A hearty "Congratulations", TTH. We want a picture of the future Twin!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 08:37 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 297

Say what you will about StubHub and their fees -- the money thy'd sacrifice if DSP and his like get their way, etc -- but this past year I really enjoyed the fact that I "owned" my tickets and could set my price when selling them.

Gopher men's BB tix seemed like a great idea last November when I bought them but their late season tanking combined with family matters to attend to meant no way we'd be at the Barn last Saturday. I had received them as a single pdf (six pages of tix) with no alphanumeric codes like Twins tickets have so I wondered about last minute instant transfers. StubHub had a very slick process of uploading and even splitting off into single pdfs the subset of tickets I wanted to sell. (I made a modest profit, too... had to be a Wolverine fan...)

I'm all for electronic advances in tickets - sending it electronically to others in my party, scanning my ticket image on my iPhone at the gate, etc - but I sit squarely in the camp supporting this bill.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 08:39 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 298

Congrats TTH!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 08:41 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 299

For those of you who have already received your tickets, are you full season ticket holders? I am a 20-gamer and my tickets haven't come yet, and I don't think I got them last year until the middle of March.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 09:04 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 300

My 20 gamers came yesterday, following a "shipped" notice on Monday.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 09:35 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 301

Anybody know how they were shipped? I haven't gotten a notice yet, but then again I didn't get one last year until the day after they were on my doorstep.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:12 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 302

Did anyone notice a change starting today in the aspect ratio of the TV feed on ESPN and all of their related networks? Even on my sorta-new wide flat screen, it leaves a less-than-desired letterbox effect (black bars top and bottom), and all of the text around the margins -- especially during SportsCenter -- are now so small that this retiree's eyes . I can zoom it, but I certainly don't want to have to fiddle with my remote to change the viewing ratio every time I change channels...

I already took this question this to my cable provider, and they said it's just the way the signal is provided to them and so out of their hands, just use the zoom... And this is progress?!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:44 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 303

For those that like a peek in, linked is video from spring training BP/pitching. Nishioka, Mauer and Morneau batting and most of the notable pitchers.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:44 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 304

...so small TO this retiree's eyes...

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:45 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 305

Congrats Truth. My tickets game via USPS. Yes I did get an e-mail saying they had shipped the day before!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 11:00 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 306

TTH - congrats! My second girl is due in July. That will leave this baseball fan as the only man in the house with 3 females. Just wondering if any of you have daughters who are baseball fans. I'm hoping that my 19 month's old fascination with meeting TC this winter and seeing all the games on TV will naturally make my daughters baseball fans!

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:09 PM by ole Highlight this comment 307

ole,

3:1 against is sometimes no fun, but there is no doubt that the family memories you'll create will include baseball. Here we are with our twin daughters and their guys (if I can correctly add an image...)


Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 308

I don't have a link but the Twins put up a Twitpic of them synching the two video boards. Looks good.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:32 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 309

I know less about the tweet than Tubby, but in searching for a video board link I noticed the Twins hired Dan Edwards as their new music director. On a wall, or a twitter thing, or somewhere out there. Said there's a Q&A session 3:00 tomorrow. No idea where or how to access it... but hoping that this may signal an improvement in the quality of organ music at TF.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:52 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 310

The Twitpic PatMeares alluded to is attached to my name.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:52 PM by tk Highlight this comment 311

as far as I know, ESPN changed their aspect ratio about three weeks ago. FSN did it about six weeks ago. I think BTN has as well.
Which is good.

Honestly, I'm so used to watching DVD's and TV shows like 24 in letterbox, I hardly even notice it anymore. Matter of fact, watching a show WITHOUT letterbox is unusual to me.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 312

Makes me feel like such an old man, to complain about it. I took a cruise up and down the 150 or so channels this afternoon (man, it's easy to see why I've never stopped at any of those numbers before) and found that wide-screen signals are in the majority. Yes, FSN included. Mother of God! And I know it wasn't that way yesterday on some of those. I don't mind it (maybe don't even notice it, really) until challenged with all of the tiny type on the sports channels.

"Hey hon, we need a bigger TV..."

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:23 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 313

Full season(2 sets) arrived yesterday even though I got an email stating that they would come in different mailings..Tickets come in 4 different designs this year...

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 7:22 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 314

Big ups Truth Hurts. I hope you teach him the virtues of good snark & hatred of stupid rhetoric (I'm looking at you Luke)...

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 7:56 PM by Max Highlight this comment 315

For season tickets....they pack these individually, so they go out in stages throughout the first half of March. I saw folks in the ticket window area last year boxing them up. It still looks like a pretty manual operation from what I could tell. I'm sure their goal is to get them done before single game tickets go on sale.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:51 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 316

Schweady, That's is an awesome pic -- one I'm sure you're very proud of. Who would have thought that TTH, the antagonist I/we? thought he was, would inspire you to share such a special moment in your life with US!

Truth, I'm genuinely happy for you. Congrats. I only hope to someday experience the same joy you're feeling today (cough, we've been trying). Best wishes to you and your family.

Rube

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 9:09 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 317

that's is? Wow!

So filled with emotion, I forgot to proofread.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 9:11 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 318

PO Max...lol.
Only 35 days til TF reopens for another fun-filled baseball season.
Can hardly wait.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 9:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 319

Attempt at photo upload of Cooper T. T. Hurts, now with "new baby" fragrance...


Posted on March 3, 2011 at 9:41 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 320

just something about a big, gold glove that draws out the goofballs in the crowd...

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 9:44 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 321

Target Field food announcement for set for March 29th. Click my name.

Posted on March 3, 2011 at 9:47 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 322

Congrats TTH.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 03:11 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 323

Cooper has a great "what are YOU lookin' at?" look on his face. :-)

(I hope that doesn't mean he'll grow up to be a Yankees fan!)

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 08:27 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 324

DSP just said on Twitter that STH's find out today if they won the lottery to buy opening day tickets.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 09:14 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 325

Do we have dates yet for single game ticket purchases? I assume there will be 3 dates:

1) Current STH
2) On-Deck members
3) General public

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 326

lincster -

1a) Full season & 40 game plans - Mar 15 (full season at 10 am, 40 gamers 2 pm)
1b) 20 game plan & flex accounts - Mar 16
2) I do not know for on deck circle
3) general sale Sat Mar 19, probably 10 am

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 327

Ballpark Authority February meeting minutes. Click my name

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:02 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 328

Buried in there it says there will be a supervised kosher hot dog cart this year, which I know some on here had wanted them to do. Great idea--easy to implement and will make a lot of people happy.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 329

Received our full season tickets today. No e-mail stating they were to arrive, etc. Still awaiting a 40-game delivery. I like the tickets this years and the photo on the ticket box is really nice (Until I saw this photo, didn't realize the couple empty rows in the Grandstand).

No special sized tickets this year.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:23 AM by tk Highlight this comment 330

Thank you Stevie B!

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:24 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 331

Are full season & 40 game packs also coming without the usual coupon for a media guide?

This constant adding of price while subtracting value is getting tiresome.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:30 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 332

There is also an "exclusive pre-sale" for Twins Territory Team members

1a) Full season & 40 game plans - Mar 15 (full season at 10 am, 40 gamers 2 pm)
1b) 20 game plan & flex accounts - Mar 16
2) On Deck Circle members??
3) Twins Territory Team members??
4) general sale Sat Mar 19, probably 10 am

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:31 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 333

So, the question is, by April 8 how many of the 3.2 million tickets will be left to sell for the season? 2M already sold to STH. What do you figure 100K for groups (about 1000 per game?). 300K in automatic sellouts (the remaining 15,000 per game for Opening Day, NYY, summer Saturdays, etc. -- I figure 20 of the games fall into that category). That leaves 800K to be scooped up by the rest of us. I bet half of those are gone by opening day, with the September games being where the seats are again.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 334

Last year, if you didn't get your STH complimentary yearbook during the first homestand, you were out of luck because they ran out...so when I went back in later April, they told me to keep checking...end result, I never got my complimentary yearbook and ended up having to pay $12 for one. Very disappointing...you would think they would have enough inventory for the STH's to get their complimentary items but apparently not.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 335

There is a coupon for the yearbook, but no media guide. Maybe there will be 5 given away in a Sweet Spot drawing (SARC)?

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:39 AM by tk Highlight this comment 336

From the minutes:

"Local concessions such as Kramarczuks Sausage and the Murphy’s Steak Sandwich did extremely well and went beyond DNC expectations."

I guess we have another steak sandwich one the menu.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:03 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 337

Linked is a newly posted Twins commercial...oh Danny Valencia...

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:20 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 338

Just got an email letting me know that I will have the opportunity to purchase Opening Day Tickets. Second year in a row, and how I financed my season tickets for last year!

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:26 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 339

Just let me know what you need for 'em, Josh
:)

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 340

"CONGRATULATIONS! You will have the opportunity to purchase tickets to Opening Day 2011 at Target Field.

Tickets for this exclusive pre-sale will be made available online only on Wednesday, March 9th from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. CT."

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:46 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 341

Yeah I won the lotto too. Only problem is we have a group of 3 guys who go every year. I will for sure buy 2 though next Wednesday.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:59 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 342

Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but with the pre-sales for STHs coming up, I have a question. Does anybody know any detail about the distribution of season tickets in the various schedule? I'm trying to put together a strategy for getting good seats from the pre-sale. I know there are sections, such as in right field, where they don't sell season tix, so those should be available. But of the other sections, are there locations with a lot of seats that will be open for the presale?

After trying to add to my 20-game plan in Skyline View, I realized that Skyline View and Field View are pretty well sold out to season ticket holders. But are there sections in Home Plate View, for example, where there is likely to be availability for the presale?

CA

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:02 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 343

CONGRATULATIONS! You will have the opportunity to purchase tickets to Opening Day 2011 at Target Field.

Did everyone get the same message? It does go on to say...

This is a first-come, first-served opportunity. We kindly ask that you be mindful that there will be a significant number of Season Ticket Holders who will be participating in this pre-sale.

I wonder if they just sent out passwords to everyone that took the trouble of signing up?

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:09 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 344

I am sure there are people who were shut out.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:25 PM by tk Highlight this comment 345

Those who work the system best will probably end up with seats, which is worrisome but also just the way it goes.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:29 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 346

Twins territory team presale is also 3/16.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:35 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 347

I assume there were "shut-outs", there always has been. The issue is how many people are being allowed to compete for whatever is available (how many people granted the "opportunity"). Look forward to spending time in the waiting room, perhaps a lot of time.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:37 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 348

Is there a non-season ticketholder lottery for opening day again this year? Does anyone have the link? I'm in a season ticket group, but not the organizer, so I was wondering about a non-season ticketholder lottery. Thanks!

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:46 PM by The Rational Actor Highlight this comment 349

I would think that there is, but I have not seen anything. The odds of getting opening day tickets through one, even if it existed are probably almost 0%, even if you get a password.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:48 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 350

I haven't seen an opportunity for a lottery to purchase tickets, but there is this link to a give-away of 4 opening day tickets.

Just click my ID for the link to enter the sweepstakes.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 1:53 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 351

Thanks, Meares. I won the "opportunity" lottery last year and actually got 4 tickets... I wasn't sure if they would do it again this year.

Minn55441, Thanks for passing that along. I saw it, but I'm not sure if signing up for more junk mail from Qwest is worth the remote chance of winning.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:28 PM by The Rational Actor Highlight this comment 352

Yeah definitely uncheck all of the boxes letting them contact you. I just went and double checked their website and there is no mention of a general public lotto for OD.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:42 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 353

Does anyone know of any STH's who have NOT won the opportunity to purchase tickets for the home opener?

I have talked to ten different people and all of them have "won" as well as the individuals who have posted on here.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:49 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 354

Would explain the lack of public lotto, if they are basically giving all the STH's 2 tickets to Home Opener...will probably be basically sold out next Wednesday.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 355

Last year the Twins did not give ticket opportunities for full season ticket holders to purchase the 2 tickets like they are doing this year.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:08 PM by tk Highlight this comment 356

tk - wonder if that was due to the feedback they got from full season package folks. This year they are also giving the full season holder the first 4 hours of the presale to themselves. Last year that was not the case.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:25 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 357

I "won" as well, but as a 20-game STH, I'm not overly confident that tix will still be left when I get my opportunity to buy them. Depends on how many full STH buy those extra 2. I have a hard time seeing how there will be any left for a public sale.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 3:45 PM by BR Highlight this comment 358

Don't full STH already have OD tix? They get a chance to buy more before anyone else gets a chance to buy any? And the Twins wonder why scalpers abound?

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:09 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 359

sorry - the 4 hour headstart I referred to applies to the regular season presale, not the opening day "opportunity" you may or may not have won. That begins at the same time for everyone who "won" I believe. I should have been more clear.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 4:21 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 360

STH here, no email yet so I assume I do not have the opportunity to purchase any pre-sale tickets.

Good luck to those who do!

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 5:16 PM by bp Highlight this comment 361

Group organizers ALSO get a 3/16 presale. Gotta make sure I use the restroom before sitting in the virtual waiting room.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 5:47 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 362

Full STH who also got the "winning" email :):)

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 8:31 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 363

i won too

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 8:39 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 364

I have full season tickets and also got the email.

Posted on March 4, 2011 at 9:06 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 365

"Opportunities" seem not difficult to come by.

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 10:18 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 366

Deleted the Minnesota Gopher's Dairy Queen Classic at the Metrodome from my calendar for this weekend. I always enjoyed going with my free GA tickets the players gave away at Twinsfest. Perfect place for baseball on a cold March day.  There were never more than 250 fans per game.  It was interesting that few fans sat in the expensive sections. Mainly scouts with speed guns in seats behind the plate. Fans mostly watched from around 15 to 25 rows up and closer to first or third than to home. Looking forward to seeing the Gophers at TF on April 1. 

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 367

Probably looking for a foul ball or two to come their way.

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 2:50 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 368

I'll be at Hammond Stadium tomorrow. Weather forecast isn't the greatest, but it will still beat temps in the teens and those four foot embankments of snow on either side of my driveway in SE Minnesota!

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 4:02 PM by terry Highlight this comment 369

e-ticket bill

The bill is mostly a consumers right to resell bill.

Section one simply defines various terms like "Event", "Event ticket", "Resale", "Ticket issuer", "Venue".

Section two gets into what information Ticket issuers are required to supply concerning ticket policies and events.

Section three is all about resale of tickets. Diving into details about what a ticket issuer is prohibited in doing to restrict ticket resales.

Section four addresses consumer protections for buyers of tickets.

The problem with the bill is it is too broad in scope. It protects your average Joe consumer, which is a good thing. But also protects your big broker/scalper type business, which is a bad thing imo.

As written, I would not support the bill. They need to include some form of language that narrows the scope to exclude brokers/scalpers.

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 4:27 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 370

Man, seems like I'm the only STH not to get the "good news" email.

Losers email for reference.

Dear Twins Season Ticket Holder,

Thank you for registering for a chance to purchase tickets to Opening Day 2011 vs. Oakland on April 8th Not surprisingly, interest in this opportunity was very high among you and your fellow Season Ticket Holders. Despite setting aside many thousands of tickets exclusively for Season Ticket Holders to this game, we simply don't have enough seats to accommodate the demand for tickets based on the number of registrations received. Unfortunately, your entry was not selected for this ticket purchase opportunity during the random draw process.

Although you weren't selected for the Opening Day opportunity. we hope you are looking forward to the upcoming private pre-sale which allows Season Ticket Holders to purchase extra single game tickets prior to the general public on-sale. This special pre-sale will take place March 15 & 16. Access to this two-day pre-sale is tiered based on plan type. We urge you to visit twinsbaseball.com/sth to learn more about this pre-sale including the time you're eligible to order your extra tickets. In the meantime, your season tickets should be delivered to you soon, if they haven't already arrived.

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM by bp Highlight this comment 371

Just because I've been so happy the last three months, and not to show up TTH's good news (congrats BTW), but, I thought I'd post a Facebook pic of me with my new significant other.

My name - clicky...you know.

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 10:21 PM by luke Highlight this comment 372

Nice picture luke, is it your baby? If you're not sure, Maury Povich does paternity tests everyday on his show.

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 12:13 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 373

So Dave, which am I, consumer or scalper? I am a 20 game season ticket holder, but realized early on that I can sell the games I don't go to for more than what I paid for them. I can also buy tix for popular games in the pre-sale and sell them for high prices as well, if I decide not to go.

However, I am not in this as a business, it's more that I want to go to about 20 games a year, and I find that by selling a few tix at more than face value I can nicely subsidize my Twins habit.

Am I a consumer or a broker/scalper? I've thought about this a lot, I don't want to abuse the system, but I also like my ability to leverage my access to tickets to my benefit. I like StubHub, it has provided a ready and convenient market that so far has been worth the high fees (I've also bought tix at higher than face value from StubHub when I'm visiting other cities with MLB).

I don't want to have my ability to re-sell shut down, but I also don't want all the ticket sales to be taken over by brokers, either.

CA

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 374

leave for ft myers 6am wensday morning, hope my flight is not cancelled due to snow

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 4:55 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 375

Clark, I'll give it a shot: Perhaps when one purchases tickets with the main intent of selling them for a profit, you wander over into that 'broker' area. Small-time broker, sure, but broker nonetheless.

I sold some Gopher men's BB tickets last week. (Who wouldn't be selling during this miserable past month or so?) Truth is I would have gone if I could have made it to the Barn, stench and all. Made a profit, even after original and SH fees. Had to have been a Wolverine fan. I feel that it was a legitimate free-market resale by a fan rather than a broker/scalper/what-have-you.

The Twins have gone down the road of 'doubling down' the benefits of being a STH with additional prizes, but with demand this high is it really necessary? I know this isn't your situation, but it especially galls me that the Twins offer full STHs an opportunity at additional OD tickets. That runs so contrary to the stance they are taking on 'brokers.'

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 5:13 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 376

i dont have a facebook, can someone post the pick of luke so i can see this chick, then make fun of them?

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 5:21 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 377

schweady - yeah I think that's the ethical line to draw. But from a regulation point of view it makes it hard - to apply that rule you'd have to discern the intent of every ticket purchaser at the time of purchase. Couple of other aspects:

- Demand is especially intense now because we have a good team in a popular new venue. I think we are only a couple of losing seasons away from the problem largely going away because demand will fall. Even last year you could see the StubHub prices, which had been high for every game until then, drop for mid-week games in September, after school started up. You could get tix for those games for less than $10. Demand will come and go but it's really high right now and for the next couple of years.
- You have to assume that the Twins are monitoring actual transactions and trying to figure out the right way to handle it. They know which tickets I've purchased and they know which tickets I've sold on StubHub. To them I probably look like a legitimate consumer/fan and not a broker/scalper, but if I sold a lot more I'd start to look like a scalper. But several seats in the rows behind mine are clearly in the hands of scalpers - they are already available for sale on StubHub for the entire season - every game. That's clearly a broker.
- The Twins have a number of levers to manipulate here. They can limit the overall # of season tickets, as they do. They could also put more restrictions on number of single-game tickets that a season ticket holder can purchase. I'm surprised they don't do that and I would expect that they might try that if demand stays this crazy.

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 9:06 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 378

Funny Kev, actually no. The little guy is hers from a previous marriage :).

Are you sure maz? I did "block" some individuals from being able to see it.

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 9:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 379

Add one more to the many reasons to remain totally facebook illiterate/uninterested. Sorry about leaving the door open like that, folks...

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 9:32 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 380

To those who don't have facebook, here's Luke's pic- http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198525_1764884796404_1067653274_32102313_180131_n.jpg

Joni (I think that was her name) is gonna be jealous...

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 10:17 PM by ace Highlight this comment 381

Luke, I always pictured you as a 20-year old punk.

Posted on March 6, 2011 at 10:58 PM by TK Highlight this comment 382

Why have people started using the term "broker" instead of "scalper"? I will admit to doing that, I bought a few extra games last year and it helped pay for the 10 or so I went to. I make no apologies for it.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 01:04 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 383

Clark -

I personally would label anyone who purchases tickets for the sole purpose of reselling for an unreasonable profit a broker. You can be a big broker or a small broker, but a broker none the less. In either case, your gain comes at the expense of another fan.

A free market doesn't really work the same way with events as it does with goods/services in the real world. The balancing act of supply and demand works differently due to the supply (tickets) being a fixed amount, only the demand can fluctuate. With the amount of tickets fixed, and relatively speaking low in count per event, it is fairly easy to manipulate prices in any high demand situation.

This is where the bill fails. It treats event tickets as if they were goods in the real world, where supply and demand will properly balance out, hence it is too broad in its current form.

The bill needs to better address the specific issues involved with events rather than being so broad in scope. There would be many ways to do this, some off the top of my head. Putting a cap on the markup percent. Putting a cap on the number of tickets an entity can purchase. Only allowing a ticket exchange type system. I'm sure there are other good ideas out there.

In short, uncontrolled legalized scalping is the root of the problem. They need to have some form of regulation to control it.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 01:58 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 384

There used be scapling laws in this town but were removed with the thought that it would change the market for the better. I dunno if it really helped things any. But hey its not against the law to be a scapler anymore so who wouldnt jump at the chance to dive in make some money here and there.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 02:26 AM by Leory Highlight this comment 385

Dave-

How would you determine was an unreasonable profit is? And what would that profit point be? Anything over face? $10, $20, $100?

We can get into a debate about how the free market works in this situation, but I know the rest of the readers are tired of my diatribes so I won't dive in.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 02:58 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 386

Forgive the improper grammer, its late.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 03:39 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 387

ace - KUDOS to you, you spelled her name right! FAIL for maz (maz' spelling errors regarding my ex's name will end up on FAILblog.org later), cause he can NEVER get it right...lol.

TK - like...yourself? lol.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 06:53 AM by luke Highlight this comment 388

The existence of scalpers simply means the team/band/performer is leaving money on the table by not properly pricing the tickets.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 09:23 AM by bp Highlight this comment 389

No interest in getting tickets for the opener. Going the next day. Game #1 of 20. Supposed to be 80 I'm told! LOL!

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 09:54 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 390

A free market is only free if everybody has equal access to goods. Not sure if that is the case with tickets. I can't afford to pay people to camp out or buy gobs more tickets than they will use in order to scam a system. There needs to be some sort of equitable system with punishments for those who abuse the system. Not for the guy selling an extra ticket to the highest bidder.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 391

If people didn't pay high prices for tickets, secondary market prices would come down.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM by tk Highlight this comment 392

With all of the "fees" the Twins (and all other MLB teams) charge on tickets these days, is it really that much different paying $40 or $50 for a $25 ticket outside the ballpark the day of game?

For as good as brokers/scalpers can do on some games, they can also take substantial losses during other games. Last I checked, April and September games against teams such as Cleveland and Kansas City are not the most popular games. They can also take substantial losses in the event of inclement weather.

I was able to walk up and get some $50 home plate box seats last year for $20 on a weeknight in May because the guy was desperately trying to dump those tickets. We missed the first two innings, but we got some good seats for just $20 each.

If you know how/where/when to work with scalpers and such, you can get good deals. You just have to know your prices/limits and know how to bargain. Timing is another major factor...if you are willing to miss an inning or two, you can get good deals, but don't expect to get very good deals 1 hour prior to game time.

The whole ticket situation ultimately comes down to simple economics and that is supply and demand. Right now the demand is at an all-time high. In the mid to late 90's, the demand was at an all-time low for Twins tickets.

Prior to the STH capacity being reached, you could have bought a 20-game season ticket package for as low as $200 (up to $220 in 2011)...hard to beat that! Now there is a waiting list so that option has been eliminated.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 2:37 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 393

Not sure if this is news, but according to the pregame notes today, Liddle is in as the new 3rd base coach.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM by tk Highlight this comment 394

tk-
Yeah, they announced that some time before spring training started. They said it was because Ullger wants to be a manager one day and wanted to be closer to Gardy to learn.

It was also probably to stop killing our guys in stupid rundowns that shouldn't happen. Though Liddle's already done that to someone too in one of the games last week.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 395

Liddle and Ullger essentially swapped jobs - the announcement was made some time ago.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 396

Thanks AJ and Ben. I thought I recall this occurring, but for some reason forgot and saw it in the notes for today's game, so I thought it was news.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 3:18 PM by tk Highlight this comment 397

luke gets trolled on hardcore

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 3:22 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 398

Mike's suggestions are good re scalpers, but I will note that I work downtown, in the warehouse district, and the ability to get cheap tickets from scalpers dried up entirely in the summer time. With demand high, they were simply unwilling to undercut themselves, even after the first couple of innings. Dozens of fans hang out at the nearby bars and constantly check with the scalpers to see if the prices are dropping. On 2 or 3 occasions, I made the rounds as late as the 3rd inning, and scalpers still wanted $40 apiece for SRO seats! April/May and September are different, better stories...

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 3:22 PM by BR Highlight this comment 399

I joined a ticket group this year - and just paid for my tickets yesterday!

I held out for a couple games, cause I still want to try the bleacher sections this year...but overall I'm pleased with my seat location.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 400

I agree with BR....summer is tough (sometimes VERY tough), but while school is in session on a weekday, wait 2 innings. You can score pretty much any seat you want for $15 last year. Less last year in September. We'll see what this year brings, but never underestimate the power of a "school night" on the Minnesota populous.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 8:52 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 401

So is it the case that when the demand for certain items at a given price exceeds the supply of those items at that price, there is a tendency for the price to adjust upward to "clear" the market, so buyers and sellers roughly equal each other and shortages or surpluses are largely avoided? And conversely, would it be true that when the supply exceeds the demand at a certain price (let's say, a number printed on a ticket, for example), that the price would somehow go down so that able and willing buyers and sellers will again meet at an efficient price? If so, we might have the makings of a theory to rival those of gravity, relativity, and even global warming.

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 11:01 PM by robin Highlight this comment 402

Heard on the news today that Timberwolves are no longer endangered in Minnesota. News to me...

Posted on March 7, 2011 at 11:21 PM by tk Highlight this comment 403

So if they set aside "thousands" of tickets for STH's to Home Opener but turned some people away, I wonder how many tickets they really have. I have no idea how many full season packages there are, or how many other people have partial packages. Either way I would think it will be a crap shoot, unless the people represented on this board make up a bad sample since we all knew about it and signed up for the opportunity.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 08:52 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 404

Can someone tell us what a bench coach does? With Ullger swinging his arms around in the dugout someone's probably going to get hurt.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 09:11 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 405

Hi guys, I'm a long time lurker, and first time poster, so please be gentle. I have a good view of Target Field from my office, and I noticed that the Twins tower structural steel is up now. I'd post a pic if i could figure out how to do it.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 09:22 AM by SteveH Highlight this comment 406

Morneau in the lineup today!!!!!

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 09:29 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 407

The bench coach is basically the assistant manager. They help with coordinating pre-game routines for the players (batting practice, stretching, filling out the lineup card, etc.). They help with any in-game situations that the manager needs help with (such as defensive positioning, info on the opposing team, pitch count, gives the batter/3B coach signs etc.). Some of the pitching stuff is likely done by Anderson since Gardy trusts him a lot, but it's also possible that the bench coach does it.

They also normally take over for the manager if he gets ejected...which is what Ullger was already doing as a 3B coach.

Patmeares-
I saw that, for the B game. Good news. Delmon is also in, but that was expected.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 09:34 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 408

and the Canuck promptly smacks a bases-loaded double.

Here's hoping...

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:07 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 409

Anyone got a picture of the view from Section 128, Row 1 (left field bleachers)? A friend of mine just bought into a season ticket group with seats there.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:29 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 410

So what is the deal with Ahern's Irish Pub at 2nd Ave N and 5th St N? This place announced it was opening before the 2010 season with that summer as the target. The build out has been going on continuously since then with no end in sight, at least when I last went by.

We're a bit more than a week away from St. Patrick's Day and a month from the Twins' home opener and the place still isn't open. They're paying the rent and utilities on that space for over a year and also spent quite a bit of dough sponsoring Gophers sports this past season without any revenue coming in. I just don't get what's going on there at all. Does anyone have some info?

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 411

StevieB - I have a view from LF back rows of 129. That's the closest (and most accessible) image that I have. I do have some from the front rows between 128/129 but not uploadable at the moment.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:25 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 412

Hard to believe the Home Opener is just ONE MONTH from today!

Since its been cold and snowy since essentially mid-November with a lot of cloudy/drury days, maybe the baseball Weather Gods are holding out for us so we can have another great season of outdoor baseball!

Stevie B - you can also try that 3D animated seat viewer...while its not perfect, it will still provide you with a very good perspective.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:31 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 413

Thanks Jared & Mike

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:47 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 414

I've been curious about Ahern's myself. They just abandoned the project last fall. I assumed they would ramp up again to open by Twins season, but I haven't seen any activity there. Signs are still up. Maybe they ran out of money, because they were going all out for a while and then just stopped dead.

Also was wondering about Double Play, the "topless sports bar" on 3rd Ave. that raised such a ruckus when they were getting permits, etc. Their website looks like they are open but I haven't heard a word about it anywhere. Gotta say their menu is rather bizarre, to say the least.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 12:11 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 415

Piece in the Strib today about the Gant/Hrbek bobblehead. Maybe being a Friday night game will curtail the lines somewhat, but the early line is that there will be a lot of interest. One strategy might be to just avoid the mess - sell your tix, and buy the bobble with profits.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 12:39 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 416

Rosen's/Refuge went out of business a few weeks ago as well. The people who own Brother's bought up the space, although I don't know if they are just going to move their bar there.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 12:43 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 417

Stevie B - I sat in the first row of 128 for 5 games last year. The view is great, and unlike most of the LF bleachers, there is more sun (that could be good or bad). There's more leg room because it's the first row. And the railing does not affect your view at all. I love the seats and with the new videoboard in RF, $20 for a seat is one of the better bargains, I think.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 12:44 PM by ole Highlight this comment 418

Ben - You are the in-house bobblehead expert. For how much of a profit do you think I would have to sell my tickets to be able to afford one of the bobbleheads on the secondary market??

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 12:44 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 419

Those bobbleheads are going to be very high in demand and will probably be going for well over $50 as the ticket supply is very limited....sellers can no longer buy cheap seats tickets and sell their bobbleheads like they were able to do at the Metrodome so that alone will drive up the price just like we have seen with the Minnie and Paul bobbleheads from last year. This Gant-Hrbek bobblehead is very unique which will also drive up the price...it's not a traditional bobblehead by any means.

I have been collecting bobbleheads since day one in 2000 and the fad definitely died down in 2004-2008 as you could simply walk up when the gates opened and receive a bobblehead, with the exception of the cheap seats gates C and A.

So last year, I thought if we showed up a couple hours before gates opened, we would have no problem getting one. Afterall, it was also 4th of July so I figured a lot of people would be out of town and such. We were wrong...the lines were very long and the only reason we got our bobbleheads is that one of the ushers yelled out to the line that they had just ran out at Gate 14. Luckily, we quickly ran over to Gate 6 where they had a couple of boxes left. Maybe they have plenty of bobbleheads at Gate 34 as that is where most fans enter the ballpark but we thought Gate 14 or 6 would be better.

That whole experience was too close to call for me so I will be there even earlier in August (like the bobblehead days in 2000, 2001 and 2002).

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 420

That bobblehead will be very popular, as it is not one that can easily be reproduced again. There is always a chance to get another version of a Mauer/Morneau/Oliva/etc., but there will only likely be one time where you will have Gant/Hrbek together in that pose.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM by tk Highlight this comment 421

Say the snow is not melted by opening day, are they going to shovel the stadium out, ala TCF, or will it remain giving the fans plenty of opportunity to pelt the A's with snowballs?

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 1:40 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 422

I don't know that that this bobblehead will be any bigger a deal than the M & P was at the time. And, if last year's offering provides any clues it will not be of high or even adequate quality. I would expect the frenzy to go much as it did last time and that a patient collector will be able to find one on the secondary market, sooner or later, in the $40 - $60 range. A lot of collectors don't bother with the nonsense any longer - if they ever did - they just grab one up on the Bay and go to some other game.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 3:11 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 423

It looks like the high end price garnered on ebay for a M&P bobble is around $80. I especially get a kick out of the stock statement used by most of the sellers: "brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item..." In this case, how many 'unopened' could guarantee 'undamaged'?

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 4:03 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 424

I was at the B game this morning at the practice fields. Morneau looked good. 1st AB was a relatively weak ground ball to 2B. The 2nd AB was a frozen rope double down the line to clear the bases (3 RBI). They faced Lincoln from the Pirates who I believe has started for them the last couple of seasons.

Delmon looked out of sync at the plate. No big deal because it's March 8th. Rumor is that Morneau will be debuting in the game on Thursday against the Blue Jays.

Cool to see Jim Kaat in uniform. Even heard Pirates manager Clint Hurdle asking his players if they knew who he was & that he had an insane amount of gold gloves. How many did he have (16?)?

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 4:11 PM by Max Highlight this comment 425

Looks like we've already got some grass poking through now! Hopefully we don't get much more overnight.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 4:14 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 426

"I especially get a kick out of the stock statement used by most of the sellers: "brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item..."

All the time. My favorites are the ones that read something like "except for the ___________________________ (broken leg, missing piece, torn pages, bashed in sides, etc.) the item is in mint condition." Or, "found at a yard sale - have absolutely no idea how it works (or what it is) - please ask questions."

If there were no idiots there would be no eBay.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 4:22 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 427

Click name for:

"New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item (including handmade items)."

However, somehow, we opened it to take this picture...

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 4:26 PM by tk Highlight this comment 428

lol Duffman. I like the second suggestion.
I know DSP and LD have said in the past that, regardless of how much snow is outside the ballpark, the grass will always be green inside - they put some heavy duty heating coils under the grass.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 4:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 429

tk --- that one falls into what I call the "moron seeking moron" category.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 4:40 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 430

PatMeares,

Rosens is combining with The District Bar & Grill and the new larger space will be called Jack's Joynt.

Brothers will be expanding into the Refuge space.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 431

Looks like the Twins are going to be featured on the MLB Network "30 in 30" at 9pm CT on March 20. If you are going to be at ST on March 19, that is when they appear to be filming.

If you do not have the MLB Network, the show segments will be posted online on March 21.

Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:52 PM by TK Highlight this comment 432

MLB 11 The Show commercial with the new Twins Tower at Target Field. Click my name.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 07:18 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 433

Those graphics/details in that game are amazing! They will have to release an update patch to add a #28 to the admin building in July :)

I remember last year when they released an update patch for the limestone backstop...pretty amazing stuff! I can't wait until we can get the roster updates with Tsuyoshi Nishioka....just need to wait for him to play in that first MLB game.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 08:10 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 434

I also noticed in the MLB commercial that the scoreboard graphics were actually the ones used at target field. Not the case last season. Wonder if that made the actual game.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 08:22 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 435

It did make the game PNB19 and might I say Target Field and the scoreboards and graphics in MLB 11 made me almost feel like I was watching a game on tv from Target Field, very nicely done! I don't know if it's an omen but Mauer cranked out a solo job in the 1st at bat I played him in the new game, it would be nice to see Joe get the power numbers up a bit like the last year at the Dome :)

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 08:47 AM by Justin Highlight this comment 436

Thats good that Rosen's isn't fully closing down. I am happy to have heard wrong.

I think Ahern's is probably dead. Even if it ever does open I'm not sure their management really has it together, since they have been putzing around for so long. If they want to have any shot of being successful they'll need to be open by Paddy's.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 08:59 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 437

Gotta love virtual waiting rooms...Good luck to all fellow STH's on their quest for Home Opener tickets today!

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 09:51 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 438

Click my name for an interesting take on the Hrbek-Gant bobblehead.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 09:59 AM by pawelk Highlight this comment 439

Anyone with any luck yet?

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:06 AM by TK Highlight this comment 440

Super easy to get in and get tix for OD this morning. I was able to click around til I got seats where I wanted. Waiting rooms opened up 15 minutes before but I got in right at 10.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 441

Did not have to wait Sec 123 row 13

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:08 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 442

Stubhub prices will be falling today as probably half the people who get tickets today turn around and try to make a profit.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 443

Congratulations, PatMeares. I'm crazy jealous... ;-)

(And waiting not very patiently for the 19th to buy my tickets for a few games this year!)

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:10 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 444

I got in at 10:04 and tried for Skyline Deck. Section V row 4 was offered. I got Overlook 138 row 5 instead.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM by buzz Highlight this comment 445

You would think they would finally give up on these "virtual waiting rooms" and contract with with Ticketmaster, Stubhub or another company that deals in high volumes of web traffic.

I have a strange suspicion that this is just an impersonal way of dealing with a ticket rep, and it gets entered manually at the end of the purchase.

Also that MLB game is completely unrealist...Mauer hitting a home run to right field at Target field...nearly impossible.

Was able to get my tickets, but that system was comleted F'd up, it wouldn't allow me to pick worse seats and continued shwoing me the "best available" even though I clicked on other areas.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:13 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 446

Sitting in the overlook on Home Opener would be pretty damn sweet.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:13 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 447

In at about 10:05 and got some nice Home Plate view seats, row 6.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 448

Section 125 Row 20. I wanted Overlook but I couldn't get anything. Anyone else able to get Overlook seats?

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM by FD Highlight this comment 449

Logged in about 10:02 - very brief wait in virtual room - choose seats in 105 - done deal by 10:09.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:18 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 450

Started a little late, got to the VWR around 9:55 and got in at 10:08. Sec 102 Row 26

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:18 AM by TK Highlight this comment 451

Twins have it together this year. I like it.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:19 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 452

Buzz, same experience as you. Tried for Skyline Deck, but was offered section V, row 4. Instead looked at overlook and was able to get Row 4. Depending on the weather, may give my season ticket location to my brother-in-law and sit in the overlook on opening day.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 453

SH currently has 1666 tickets listed as available. It will be interesting to see what happens to quantity and prices today.

Since writing this comment, up to 1684...

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM by TK Highlight this comment 454

Don't know if I'm the first to post this info, but it appears that WCCO has lost ALL of Gopher sports. Hockey and basketball are going to KSTP and football to KFAN, I believe.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:25 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 455

now up to 1696. Pathetic.

I need 1 or 2 more tickets up in the Skyline view so I am fine with it, as long as scalpers keep undercutting each other.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:27 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 456

I need to find a way to roll 2 tickets into 3 tickets together, and will not be selling the 2 I have for more money. I'll figure something out.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:29 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 457

I picked up two tickets in section 201, row 1...have never sat up there before but should get a good view of the flyover.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 458

1,730 tickets for Home Opener now on Stubhub

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 459

"flyover"

???????????????????????????????

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 460

Hey, where's the Sanford sign?

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM by bp Highlight this comment 461

flyover as in the F-16 fighter jets...

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 462

Got my opening day tickets today in sec 229 row 3. Never been in the 200 level of the HRP so i'm pretty excited. Earlier this week locked in my plane tickets to see the home town 9 in san fran this june, baseball season can't get here soon enough.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM by jp Highlight this comment 463

"flyover as in the F-16 fighter jets..."

I get that - and flyovers are not limited to current tactical hardware. I just wonder how/why it is assumed there will be one. Maybe it's a standard deal with opening day events at real ballparks?

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 464

Ben,

DSP tweeted that there will be a flyover on opening day.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 11:59 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 465

It's pretty standard.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:04 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 466

Maybe I can be a bit quicker with the camera this time. Thanks!

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:11 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 467

I'm looking forward to re-sale on overlook tickets as Thome approaches 600. Especially in the days before he hits #598, 599, etc. I would imagine those will be at a huge premium.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 468

I should have said watching re-sale, I don't have any tickets to sell up there, but I wish I did.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 469

The cheapest ticket on there is $75. Ha! These people are morons.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:49 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 470

They will come down. There aren't any being bought. Re-sellers get scared and lower them, unless demand picks up I guess.

Question for the board: If you were to catch the Jim Thome #600, what would you do?

Hopefully it gets returned to him in exchange for bats or what have you.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:56 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 471

$150,000 worth of bats???

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:14 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 472

You gonna rake the Jimmers over the coals for some cash? I know he is a nice man, but I wouldn't want to make him mad.

Do people hold 600th balls hostage alot? I can't seem to find any data on how much they are typically worth. Thome's won't be as much since he won't ever challenge for the baseball record.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 473

Pat-

I have wrestled with that since I upgraded my season tickets to the grandstand. It is no longer some cash. Shooter had in his 2/12 article the ball could be worth $100,000. That is more than "some cash". That is pay off your house money, well for some of us.

Considering many people on this board were upset they may have to pay $10-30 a month to watch the Twins on TV, the opprotunity to make $100,000 off a baseball that is rightfully yours, should give anyone of us pause to consider it.

Part of me would like to think I would give it back, especially since Thome has been one of my, if not my favorite player since I saw him put a home run half way up the upper deck curtain at the Dome when he was an Indian. Then the other part of me says Thome's a millionaire and doesn't quite have the same finicial conerns I do, I'm sure he would understand.

You can ride on your high horse for now saying no way you wouldn't sell it, but until you have that ball in your hands and give it back, I don't believe you. I will be honest and say I don't know what I would do with it.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 474

For most people, that's life changing money... I don't think Thome would blame you if you tell him that.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM by bobby Highlight this comment 475

Yeah it would be hard to turn down that kind of money.

How great would it be to have $100,000 worth of Twins season tickets though? That would be pretty cool.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 476

Royals single game tickets are for sale, if anyone is considering a road trip down I-35 this summer.

Twins have two weekend series in KC this year. April 29-May 1, and June 2-5. I'm very tempted to go to a couple games in the June series.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 2:06 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 477

Why not just employ the same slant the Twins themselves would --- squeeze every last penny possible out of the deal.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 2:07 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 478

If someone did hold the ball for ransom, you best believe the Twins front office would find out who you are and either ridicule you in the press at worst, but for sure make it uncomfortable for you to go to games.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 479

If I had the ball, I would play the field and see what I would get.

If it were Thome asking for, as charismatic genuine person, it would be a different story.

If it were the Twins, it would be needing to invest a little more than a bat/jersey. I would never accept a first offer. It would definitely make a good keepsake.

Not that it is Mark Mcgwire's 70th HR ball, but that fetched $2.7 million.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM by tk Highlight this comment 480

I'm not sure who would officially ask for that #600 ball, but I know Thome has asked for every HR ball he's ever hit. This one could be different since it's an important number and appears to be non-steroid aided.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 481

Here's how it would go down:

1. An usher would locate you in your seat and then either sit with you or have you come with him. (probably remove you from your seat for such a big one-your own safety too)
2. Once in a secure location an MLB authenticator would look at the ball and authenticate it.
3. I'm sure that someone with the Twins would take you somewhere private so that you can watch the game and start negotiating.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 482

Looks like the ticket resale bill is moving forward. Click name for article.

The Star Tribune did a nice job making it clear and to the point in what the bill will do.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 3:32 PM by tk Highlight this comment 483

If I caught the ball I would also ask the Twins to pick up my medical bills from having the crap kicked out of me to retrieve it. Either that or pay for the medical bills of everyone I kicked the crap out of to retrieve it.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 3:46 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 484

Well at least so far I don't see a bunch of opening day ADA seats listed on StubHub.

Only major exception I've seen so far is Section 2, Row 1. Some JERK broker has the 6 seats closest to the Twins dugout listed for almost all the home games. And the coward broker doesn't even list them as WC row seats on StubHub.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:11 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 485

ST rep confirms that the Gant/Hrbek bobblehead will not be included in the "guaranteed giveaway" package. The Twins have been working on making that package pretty much total junque for a couple of years now and seem to have finally achieved their goal.

On another note --- the ease with which people seem to have acquired OD tickets would seem to bode well for the single game derby.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 486

Looks like the "guaranteed giveaway" was a $50+ donation.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:31 PM by tk Highlight this comment 487

126 row 20 for my "extras"..I'll take em...

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:37 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 488

As long as they don't have the system time-out issues. I just have to remember to log in 15 min earlier than last year. It seems like they open that window up earlier than posted.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 489

"Looks like the "guaranteed giveaway" was a $50+ donation."

Indeed. I told Steve Smith (VP sales and apprentice weasel) that I would leave this lay the instant I hear that the Twins will donate every cent of GG proceeds to charity. It then got very quiet, at least on his end.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 490

I haven't heard or seen anything on dollar a dog games? Was that listed in the promotional schedule last year? Did they decide to do away with that promotion as well?

I think there were on 8 games last year where they had the dollar dogs and they were all Monday's.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 491

The following was included in a press release from the Twins on Monday:

Monday - Schweigert™ Dollar-A-Dog Day

Hot dogs are just $1 at the Hennepin Grille, Taste of Twins Territory and Halsey’s Sausage Haus concession stands. (Limit 20,000 per game; 2 per person.)

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 5:28 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 492

I'm going to guess that Twins curator Clyde Doepner would be the one to take the first pass at the Thome HR catcher. He got the great story from the kid from Iowa who caught Kubel's Opening Day HR last year. Even got him to write his story on a sheet of Twins letterhead, telling about it. Ends with "Best day of my life," or some similar sentiment.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 7:27 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 493

Oh, and what was it the kid wanted? A Joe Mauer jersey and the chance to meet Joe. Clyde hooked him up with a 2009 jersey that Joe autographed.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 7:28 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 494

I got my two 40-game, section 306 season tickets in the mail today.  It amuses me how excited I get.  I teased myself by first feeding the cats, checking VM and changing my clothes.  I slowly opened the envelope. I looked at the photos on the box and tickets.  I imagined the warm temperatures, polish sausages and smiling crowd.  I wonder if I can go to the weekday afternoon games, who will be in the lineup, will I catch another BP ball?  Then quickly, an empty feeling. I have to wait a month?  Come on summer!  

I put the box of tickets on my bookshelf and moved last year's box upstairs to my baseball shrine (shelves with stuff my wife will throw away when I die). The way I like to fetishize my tickets is by making notes on them (W or L, Thome hits flag pole, freezing, clinch, etc.)  I also keep a W vs L tally on the inside of the box cover (last year's tally: 1-1, 35-20 and 0-2). 

Now I wait for my single, full season tickets in 304 to come.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 7:41 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 495

If I caught #600, I wouldnt let anyone get a hand on it. I'd tell the Twins i want to see Jim Thome in person. Id had Jim the ball and congratulate him on #600 and thank him for being a Twin. Id ask him for a photo with him and I holding the #600 ball. That is all

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:43 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 496

I wouldn't get too excited about $1 dogs. They are the equivalent in taste to the bubble gum you used to find in packs of baseball cards. But they sucker people in with them because they are a "deal" in terms of ballpark fare. There's a sucker born every day, and they publicly share their Facebook profiles on public blogs.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:57 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 497

I just looked and there are only 8 Monday home games so don't hold your breath.

I rarely get more than a snack in the park. There is good food almost everywhere outside of the stadium.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 08:41 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 498

TTH, perhaps you should stop insinuating the obvious foibles of a certain poster. If said member should stop posting valuables due to a perceived notion of trolling, all here would suffer a lack of lulz. Backhanded comments are null right now, let us all instead bask in the lulzory that is known as...

So how bout Mauer huh? That knee man...

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 08:43 AM by ace Highlight this comment 499

Please don't take away my lulz...they are very important to me.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 08:51 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 500

Since it seemed like nearly all the STH who entered the opening day drawing won (at least based on the response on this board), I am wondering if there were any of you "winners" who got shut out when you went to buy the tickets.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 09:03 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 501

Every game I go to is $1.00 dome dog day! Just pop in the Holiday station store behind gate #6 in LF about 2 blocks from the ballpark. Grab your dogs and walk in the gate. And these dogs are much better tasting! I usually pop them in the microwave for 10 seconds with the bun to get em a little steamy! LOL!

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 09:25 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 502

I just knew once someone mentioned dollar dog night that TwinkFan would comment on how he goes to Holiday before each game and gets his $1.00 hotdogs. Of course, always with a few LOL's and exclamation points.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 09:30 AM by FD Highlight this comment 503

Ha yeah I saw that one coming too. I wouldn't be shocked if he has a controlling interest in that place.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 09:32 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 504

Twinkfan, I have to know, are you the owner, or partner in that Holiday Station? I almost want to hop on HWY 12 and head to Minneapolis just to try one of these dogs. P.S. TTH, you keep commenting on Luke, I am always checking back to see what you have came up with next!

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 09:33 AM by JoJo Highlight this comment 505

The season desperately needs to start...or Rick needs to come up with a new post. The conversation has shifted to Roller Weenies.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 09:59 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 506

Every time TwinkFan advertises for his Holiday Stationstore, I picture this image from Google's Street View. I know that it's been tidied up a bit since the camera car rolled by last, but even with the free parking on 5th I could not get my buddy to stop anywhere in the area.


Heck, I'll even provide Twink with some more free advertising: click my name for the full stationstore food menu!

(I just did it for the lulz.)

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 11:25 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 507

Received my 40 game packet today!

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM by tk Highlight this comment 508

I park down there on 5th for work frequently (walk back to warehouse district; I'm cheap). It still looks exactly like that. The streetscape upgrades don't extend to that portion of the street. They only surround the light rail, 7th Ave N, and the ballpark itself.

It's a convenient and cheap place to park for games, but a little dicey at night, to be honest. The Holiday store (just to the left of where this picture is taken), which replaced another gas station, does at least bring some light and traffic into the area.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 12:10 PM by BR Highlight this comment 509

Coincidentally, construction begins tomorrow on the exact lot schweady photographed above. Rumor is a barbecue joint is building there. Will definitely spruce up the neighborhood. Also can't wait until Fulton Brewery begins production right next door. I have serious doubts any of these businesses would be here without Target Field.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 510

I still maintain the Dome had better regualar hot dogs than Target Field. From the Sesame Seed bun, to the meat, to even the hour wait in the steamer/warmer. By far surperior to any of the Hot Dog fare at TF.

While I know they will never return, could they at least bring back the foil wrapper. Two reasons I want this, one for I can shove the dog in a pocket when I have 2 beers and some peanuts in hand, the other so we can crush it into a ball and throw it on the ground instead of having garbage all over the field on a windy night.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 511

Hopefully Surly helps to push through the legislation letting breweries sell pints too. Would be sweet to grab a pint at the new Fulton joint.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 12:58 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 512

I wouldn't eat a free $1 dog from TF

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 1:49 PM by tk Highlight this comment 513

Shhh keep that parking spot quite! LOL! Ya you don't wanna be walking alone down there real late!

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 2:49 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 514

Anyone know who's doing the play by play right now? I just turned it on and I don't recognize his voice...

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 515

Not sure that the free parking will last anyway. The development being discussed here and the drawings I've seen of the area as part of the exchange project will mean meters going in soon, I'd say.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 3:02 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 516

I'm only half listening right now so I'll assume you mean Kris Atteberry. He usually does the pre and post game shows, but he's done more play by play the past few years. I believe he was one of the people announced to take some of Gordon's days off.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 3:03 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 517

Most parking meters are free when not directly outside businesses, starting after 6pm.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 3:05 PM by tk Highlight this comment 518

Inevitable, yes, but still one of the loudest thuds heard in these parts in a while: Do the Gopher men even deserve an invite to the NIT?

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 3:28 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 519

Wow, it didn't sound like Atteberry to me. I've heard him do a few games the last couple of years and the pre, post stuff. Maybe they're tweaking his mic some to give him more bass. :)

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 3:28 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 520

A BBQ joint is going there? I thought the Holiday lot would make a good restaurant space and was disappointed to see just a new gsa station replace the old one. But much like the Ahern's space, I'm having a hard time understanding how anyone can start a restaurant these days with new construction. That business is tough enough, with tight margins, seasonality, etc. How they can expect to foot a construction loan on top of that (or why a bank would even make the loan these days) is beyond me. It's one big reason why the failure rate with restaurants is so unbelievably high.

But maybe it'll be a Famous Dave's or some other chain with money behind it...

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 3:58 PM by BR Highlight this comment 521

Faber College Alum-
His voice does sound a little deeper today. Either puberty hit or they did mess with his mic

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 4:17 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 522

After doing a little Googlin on Ahern's it seems unlikely it will ever open. The last article I saw said they were trying to open by November. Their website no longer works and the Facebook page makes reference that they are working to open up but won't be by Paddy's (which is sort of obvious since that is a week away). Kieran calls Paddy's his "rent for the year" day so one would think it is pretty important for an Irish pub.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 4:20 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 523

Any STH get their regular season presale password today? It was supposed to arrive March 10, but I haven't seen one yet.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 5:32 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 524

The people who were going to open Ahern's had some restaurant experience as far as work experience and management went, but not ownership and nothing at the scale of what was planned. That's a big space to fill and keep going. It seemed overly ambitious and the location was a bit of a question mark.

I have no idea what happened and would love to hear the story someday. Perhaps they underestimated their costs, blew through their funding much sooner than expected, and then couldn't get anymore capital. Perhaps a partner that planned on putting in money had second thoughts and left them hanging. Whatever the case, there's no bar/restaurant, a partially built out space, and undoubtedly someone lost their shirt on this deal.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 525

Most early games on Stub Hub have between 1800-2000 tickets available. That tells me about 10% of the season ticket base is just trying to resell? Seems like a higher percentage than I would have thought.

I don't think the April market is going to be nearly as good as last year. Already lots of $15 seats available, which means they will eventually go for half that or get eaten.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 5:56 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 526

Do winners of the NIt chant, "We're #66! We're #66!"

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 6:04 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 527

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Today I was able to complete the framing of my TF Inaugural Game print. Linked is a cell phone image of the completed project. Only my second framed print and first of this image. It looks great. Too bad I can't sell them. I've contacted the team and MLB to no response. I will keep trying and if not, I have a great one off print. Rob Arra and his collection can eat it!;) Just kidding, his stuff is great. Enjoy!

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 6:32 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 528

Pre-sale code arrives @ 6:32 PM.

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 529

No, Dr. X, the NCAA has helped those of us who are most mature...the NIT Champ can now chant, "We're 69! We're 69!"

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 7:52 PM by TK Highlight this comment 530

That's right. There are some new play-in games, aren't there?

Posted on March 10, 2011 at 8:50 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 531

Somebody told a co-worker that the new place is called Bob's Downtown Barbecue. So not a chain. I have not been able to find anything online to corroborate that.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 08:30 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 532

Jared why can't you sell them?

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 08:52 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 533

PatMears-
I can't sell prints of my images because I would be making money off of Twins Intellectual Property that I don't have permission to use. Similar scenario I believe with why Rick couldn't sell his construction calendar. I really don't feel like going to jail so I get to just keep them for myself and for everyone else to view via my Flickr.

To date only three of my images have been printed. BPM poster Ole has one, I have one and I gave one to my sister, none of which are the same image. I am going to print a few others for myself for my "man cave" and that's probably all there will be, unless the Twins/MLB decide they want to print them. I did get a cool idea for mine to make them even more of a one off. Although the idea requires lugging the 20x24 inch print/matting around to have the players sign it. That might suck, we will see.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 09:24 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 534

My guess is that even if Jared could eke out some sort of deal he would see little or nothing on his end. The guy who does the charicature work for the team (a very good professional artist who works for Mad Magazine) gets paid off in bobbleheads - and not very many of them. When I asked him why he said the Twins are "incredibly cheap" and that he did the work basically for fun.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 12:35 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 535

Ben-
You hit it pretty much on the nose there. From what I have seen and heard it would just be peanuts. But then again peanuts is better than no nuts and it means people love my work enough to buy it. Gives a bit of vindication to running around the ballpark like a chicken with my head cut off.

I do have a purpose which is to inform and present. It's a fun hobby but there is one goal I have. Because of the orientation of the park with respect to the evening sun (weather nerd coming out right now) there is one certain shot that is my holy grail and should I get that shot, I may just put the camera down for good. I am not sure that I want to share the specifics about it just yet but I will say because of my background I have the upper hand in looking for/getting this shot. It can happen, it will eventually happen, I just really wanna be there for it with camera in hand.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 12:48 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 536

Double rainbow?

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 12:55 PM by buzz Highlight this comment 537

Are any of use truly surprised that the Twins are cheap and attempting to squeeze every penny from anything they can? I know Carl passed on, but the team is still owned by Pohlads.

You can say they have a huge payroll, but in terms of payroll vs. revenue, I do not believe they have changed the percentage used towards payroll. I believe it used to stand at around 54% of revenue was used towards player payroll. (That percentage may be wrong.) My guess is it still at that number and the revenues have increased so dramatically it allows for a higher payroll.

Also remember these upgrades to the stadium the Twins are paying for are not out of the goodness of their heart(s), it is mandated per their agreement with Hennipen County that they spend a few million dollars a year to maintain a state of the art stadium.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 12:55 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 538

A Twins playoff win? :)

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 12:57 PM by tk Highlight this comment 539

Ironically enough, now that bobbleheads have gone the way of edible $1 dogs, the current exchange medium may well be peanuts, literally.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 1:04 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 540

Twins Tower looks good thus far.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 2:28 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 541

Thanks for the shout out Jared! I have that picture in a frame in my man cave. I've had alot of compliments on it.

27 days until opening day at the best best ballpark in the world. My 8th graders start practice on March 28th. Their first game is April 5th. I saw 50's in the forecast for next week. Spring just might be on the doorstep!!

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 2:30 PM by ole Highlight this comment 542

While killing time in what seems to be an endless month of March waiting for the return of baseball at Target Field on April 8th, I have been going back looking at some of the older posts. The post titled "Experiencing The Stadium" includes the announcement of the naming of Target Field. The overall opinion at the time was very negative. Is everyones opinion the same or, now that we have experienced baseball in the stadium, has it grown on us? I personally liked the name and was surprised to read people were unhappy with it.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 2:35 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 543

PNB19 - I always thought "Land O' Lakes Park" had a nice ring to it but I knew they probably wouldn't be willing to put up the kind of $ the Twins were looking at for naming rights. I'm ok with Target Field although I was hoping for a ballpark with the name "Park" in it rather than "Field." Wrigley Field aside, "Field" brings football to my mind. Of course "Target Park" would have sounded more like a parking lot for one of their stores. Target Yard maybe?

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 2:54 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 544

Target Field is named for a discount store chain and thus has no soul. DSP refers to it as the "people's park" - maybe the "people" who paid for it should have had some say in it's name. I for one have grown very weary of being bombarded with advertising from every angle constantly and think that walking under a Target sign to see a ballgame is not how things should be.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 2:57 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 545

I'm still not a fan of the name. I never call it Target Field, just the Twins ballpark. If it had a decent nickname I might call it that, but meh.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 3:04 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 546

The Bullseye??

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 3:29 PM by ole Highlight this comment 547

If anything, I would have liked Best Buy Yard. It would have gotten the Yard in the name and Best Buy would also have it's NYSE letters: BBY

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 3:38 PM by tk Highlight this comment 548

In regards to the comment about naming rights for Target Field - I was a bit disappointed when the announcement originally came out, only because Target has the naming rights on the Target Center, and that is associated with a junior varsity basketball team that plays in a professional league (except for Kevin Love, who's kicking ass with those double-double's every night).

Word association: I hear Target, I think Timberwolves, I think "FAIL".

However, naming rights on the TC are up this summer, and Charley Walters in the Pioneer Press suggested that Sanford Health might pick up the name. My thinking is, Target Center won't be around too much longer; and if the Vikings do in fact build a new stadium on the property just west of TF, my thinking is that Target will plaster its name on the new Vikings Stadium.

We could have Target Field and Target Dome right next to each other.

For the Walters comment, click my name for the article. Scroll down the page to "Don't Print That", it's in that section. What's also funny is the miniature golf spot...you can read that for your own enjoyment.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 5:53 PM by luke Highlight this comment 549

I think the Vikes really like the area next to the Dome. The StarTribune wants to sell that land and all the infrastructure is in place which will keep the cost down vs. the Farmers Market location; Vikes can play at the Dome while the new facility is constructed.

Frontrunner for the naming rights is Best Buy imo.

K

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 6:16 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 550

Yes, I've also heard that Best Buy is definitely in the running, which is great for the Twins, as Best Buy is also one of their corporate sponsors.

Makes sense, discount retailer selling a cheap team.

The Vikes can play at the Dome, regardless of what site they choose, except for actually rebuilding on the Dome site. I'm hoping the Vikes do not choose that plot next to TF, because that means that Mary Jo Copeland's place would have to move - and I just think that's wrong. She's done tons of great work in this community; and making her move for a new football stadium just isn't right.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 6:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 551

uh oh...luke just threw his flame to the curb in favor of mary jo cougar - i mean - copeland. mary jo may have a heart of gold, but she's been a pain in the ass to city leaders and police. her compound could probably do more good if she relocated to plymouth ave or east lake st. have they ever done anything with the old sears bldg on lake st? if not they should turn that into a shelter and give mary jo the keys.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 8:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 552

Northstar rates go up 3 bucks from Big Lake.."Most" of the 20 or so games we went to last year we took the Northstar from Big Lake..Disappointing to see the Family Pass go up 3 bucks..No schedule up yet..

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 8:48 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 553

If MLB 11 The Show is any indication, the Twins Tower will be a gaudy, unnecessary intrusion.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 8:56 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 554

Kevin, Sears Bldg was renovated about 5 yrs ago. Condos, Midtown Global Market has many fine shops and food stalls, plus a US Bank and Hennepin Co Service Ctr. Part of the Bldg is also Allina corporate HQ.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 9:08 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 555

As far as I know, the old Sears bldg is still there - as vacant as ever.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 9:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 556

Well then, Luke, you clearly have not been to Lake and Chicago in a while. Midtown Exchange was a successful development that's a real asset to Midtown Minneapolis.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 9:21 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 557

mom must not let Luke out of the basement much.

Posted on March 11, 2011 at 11:53 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 558

TTH-

In the picture Pat shared the tower does look a lot wider/bigger than I thought it was going to be. That being said, with all the ribbon board, the out of town scoreboard, the main score board, the new mini scoreboard, and every other LED board in the stadium I don't think the tower is going to stand out or look too out of place.

Speaking of the out of town scoreboard, it would be nice if they replaced the black chain link fence covering it with some glare-resistant plexiglass. It would look 10 times better.

One last thing about the tower, they should move the fireworks platform to the top of the tower, the ones behind the main score board suck something fierce since they are mostly washed out by the lights. On the tower side there are no light so the backdrop would be the cityscape.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 04:34 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 559

luke do some research before you make another comment next time. The Sears building has been transformed into the Midtown Exchange. The project was finished roughly 5 years ago and includes lofts, apartments, a global market, hotel, and also houses some Allina offices.

Click my name for the link to Midtown Exchange

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 06:12 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 560

Best Buy is evil. I hope I never see their name on a sports facility.

And, their stock valuation is tanking right now (/cheer!), so I hope they don't have several million dollars to throw at a vanity project.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 06:16 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 561

With all of the scoreboards, ribbon boards, tower....you'll need sunglasses at night just to follow the damn game if you're sitting int he main grandstand....ENOUGH ALREADY! Maybe I'm just old with sensitive eyes, but the out of town scoreboard damn near gives me a seizure with it's color-scheme, esp when when watching on TV and the camera is focused on the pitcher.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 07:12 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 562

This site has turned into a bunch of old men bitching about everything. Kev, we could only be so lucky if you started convulsing.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 08:08 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 563

Get over it Jimbo

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 09:12 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 564

Thanks for the info guys. I was not aware that the old place was transformed into something useful. I haven't lived in that area for almost 20 years...so I was a bit out of the loop.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 09:18 AM by luke Highlight this comment 565

Jim - I agree with you 100%. No offense towards to the ladies, but some of you posters whine, bitch and complain like a bunch of freakin' school girls.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 10:04 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 566

Let's see....To bitch....or to bitch about the bitching....hmmmm

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 10:14 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 567

I'm totally over it Kevo...just had to call you on it. Maybe you can just ask your assisted living facility to get you tickets to a local little junior high softball game where the stimulation isn't so distracting to your cataracts.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 568

Agreed on the Best Buy is evil sentiment. They take WAY too much advantage of technologically illiterate people. Monster cable, Wii instillation fees, unnecessary product protection plans, etc. etc.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 12:37 PM by bp Highlight this comment 569

oh i'm just crushed jimmy, you're such a big bad cyber bully...i hope your little cocktail weenie grew another millimeter while typing your bullshit.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 12:54 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 570

Duffman-

Nice calls on the out of town scoreboard and fireworks from the tower ideas. That area in right field and plaza are very dark. Perhaps there can be some limestone added to part of it as well to "soften" its brightness and connect it to the ballpark. The digital clock is solid and a weather ball on top may complete the tower. The weather ball would also alleviate any need for a meteorologist report. Oops! Forget that idea. There is probably a few bucks to be made for the Twins by promoting a local television station.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 571

Kevin-

At night the stadium lights are so bright it washes out the scoreboards for the most park. They may look very bright on TV but in the stadium they don't seem too bad.

As for the naming rights, I know many people here wanted the ballpark named after a former player, but we all know that is unrealistic.

Other than Target they are probably only around 10 or so companies with MN ties that would have the resources to pay for the naming rights. Of the top of my head I could come up with Cargill, 3M, Medtronic, UnitedHealth Group, Best Buy, Us Bank, Delta, Wells Fargo, Comcast and Supervalu.

Asides from maybe 3M park, I won't think any of the other names would fit very well.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 572

he,he that cracked me up Kevo. Thanks for the laugh. :)

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 2:05 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 573

I'm sorry, but more LEDs don't equate to a better ballpark experience. If I want that, I'll go to Times Square. They rip out the natural beauty (trees) and add more gaudy artificial lights -- and we're all supposed to go "Ooooh! Aaaah!"

Whatever.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 2:20 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 574

It would seem that too many LEDs are the dealbreaker for some folks. I guess we'll all just have to avoid the place from now on then.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 4:06 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 575

Maybe I missed this, but what will be displayed on the Twins Tower? What is the primary purpose?

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 576

Minnesota Twins Announce Special Events, Promotions and Daily Ticket Offers for the 2011 Season at Target Field®

MINNEAPOLIS-ST. PAUL, Minn. – The Minnesota Twins today announced special events, promotions and daily ticket offers for the 2011 season at Target Field.

2011 Promotional Giveaways

The promotion schedule includes a Twins Earth Day cap presented by Pentair (April 22), a Matt Capps fishing lure presented by Rapala (April 24), two Twins baseball caps presented by DQ® (May 14, July 23), a Jim Thome bat presented by Select Heartland Chevy Dealers (May 29), a Danny Valencia kids jersey presented by U.S. Bank (June 12), a Bert Blyleven baseball presented by Northland Ford Dealers (July 16), a Blyleven Hall of Fame poster (July 24), a Kent Hrbek/Ron Gant 1991 World Series bobblehead (Aug. 5) and much more. Visit www.twinsbaseball.com for complete information.

2011 Special Events

Special events taking place at Target Field during the 2011 season include Jackie Robinson Day (April 27), postgame fireworks (May 27, July 1), Celebrate Diversity Day presented by Prairie Island Indian Community and Treasure Island Resort & Casino (June 9), the 2011 Minnesota Twins Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony presented by Fisher Nuts (June 11), Bike and Walk to Target Field Day presented by OptumHealth (June 12), Hope Week - a week dedicated to community service by Twins players and front office (June 12-18), Armed Services Appreciation Day presented by U.S. Bank (July 3), Bert Blyleven Day (July 16), the 1991 World Series Championship Reunion Weekend (Aug. 5-7), Back to School Weekend presented by Target® (Aug. 27, 28), Fan Appreciation Weekend (Sept. 16, 17), Kids Appreciation Day (Sept. 18) and Roberto Clemente Day (Sept. 21). Visit www.twinsbaseball.com for complete information.

2011 Season Daily Ticket Programs

Sunday - Blue Bunny® Kids Day

Purchase a single game ticket in any seating section and receive a coupon for a buy-one-get-one-free Blue Bunny 5.5 oz Personals®. Kids 14 and younger can receive free autographs from a Twins player before the game and run the bases after the game. (Offer not available for online orders printed at home or via the Target Field automated kiosks.)

Monday - Schweigert™ Dollar-A-Dog Day

Hot dogs are just $1 at the Hennepin Grille, Taste of Twins Territory and Halsey’s Sausage Haus concession stands. (Limit 20,000 per game; 2 per person.)

Tuesday - Sports Authority Value Pack

Purchase a U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View ticket and receive a FREE Schweigert hot dog and Pepsi.

(Hot dog and soda available at the Hennepin Grille by Section 232 and Skyline Deck

Section U, and at Taste of Twins Territory by Section 234.)

Wednesday - Rasmussen College Student Day presented by 96.3 NOW

Standing room only tickets are half-price for students on Wednesday games. (Available day of game only at the Target Field box office beginning at 9 a.m. Limit one ticket per student with valid ID. Offer not available August 10.)

Thursday - Sports Authority Value Pack

Purchase a U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View ticket and receive a FREE Schweigert hot dog and Pepsi.

(Hot dog and soda available at the Hennepin Grille by Section 232 and Skyline Deck

Section U, and at Taste of Twins Territory by Section 234.)

Friday – Life Time Fitness Fridays

Fans attending Friday games can visit www.lifetimefitness.com/twins to receive a free 7-day Life Time Fitness pass.

Saturday - DQ® Sensational Saturdays

Purchase a single game ticket in any seating section and receive a coupon for a buy-one-get-one-free Blizzard® Flavor Treat from DQ. (Offer not available for online orders printed at home or via the Target Field automated kiosks.)

Treasure Island Senior Days

Fans 55 and better receive a $5 discount on Field Box and Powerball® Pavilion tickets for all weekday day games. (Offer available by phone and in-person only. Subject to availability.)

Dove Chocolate Wine, Women & Baseball presented by Graves 601 Hotel, KS95 and WCCO-TV

Just for women, the package includes a Skyline Deck or U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View ticket, a pass to a pregame event at nearby Graves 601 Hotel featuring wine tasting, light appetizers and desserts, “Pamper Me” stations and a complimentary gift. (*June 15 and July 18 are $49 for the U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View or $59 for the Skyline Deck; Sept. 26 is $47 for the U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View or $57 for the Skyline Deck.)

The Our Family Section

For just $23*, receive a ticket in the alcohol-free The Our Family Brand Section (Section 310, 311) plus a FREE Schweigert™ hot dog and Pepsi. ($25 for Select games; $28 for Premium games. Hot dog and soda available at the Hennepin Grille by Section 311.)

*Promotions and Special Events are subject to change without notice.

* All ticket programs are subject to availability.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 5:27 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 577

2011 Season Daily Ticket Programs

Sunday - Blue Bunny® Kids Day
Purchase a single game ticket in any seating section and receive a coupon for a buy-one-get-one-free Blue Bunny 5.5 oz Personals®. Kids 14 and younger can receive free autographs from a Twins player before the game and run the bases after the game. (Offer not available for online orders printed at home or via the Target Field automated kiosks.)

Monday - SchweigertTM Dollar-A-Dog Day
Hot dogs are just $1 at the Hennepin Grille, Taste of Twins Territory and Halsey's Sausage Haus concession stands. (Limit 20,000 per game; 2 per person.)

Tuesday - Sports Authority Value Pack
Purchase a U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View ticket and receive a FREE Schweigert hot dog and Pepsi. (Hot dog and soda available at the Hennepin Grille by Section 232 and Skyline Deck Section U, and at Taste of Twins Territory by Section 234.)

Wednesday - Rasmussen College Student Day presented by 96.3 NOW
Standing room only tickets are half-price for students on Wednesday games. (Available day of game only at the Target Field box office beginning at 9 a.m. Limit one ticket per student with valid ID. Offer not available August 10.)

Thursday - Sports Authority Value Pack
Purchase a U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View ticket and receive a FREE Schweigert hot dog and Pepsi. (Hot dog and soda available at the Hennepin Grille by Section 232 and Skyline Deck Section U, and at Taste of Twins Territory by Section 234.)

Friday - Life Time Fitness Fridays
Fans attending Friday games can visit www.lifetimefitness.com/twins to receive a free 7-day Life Time Fitness pass.

Saturday - DQ® Sensational Saturdays
Purchase a single game ticket in any seating section and receive a coupon for a buy-one-get-one-free Blizzard® Flavor Treat from DQ. (Offer not available for online orders printed at home or via the Target Field automated kiosks.)

Treasure Island Senior Days
Fans 55 and better receive a $5 discount on Field Box and Powerball® Pavilion tickets for all weekday day games. (Offer available by phone and in-person only. Subject to availability.)

Dove Chocolate Wine, Women & Baseball presented by Graves 601 Hotel, KS95 and WCCO-TV
Just for women, the package includes a Skyline Deck or U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View ticket, a pass to a pregame event at nearby Graves 601 Hotel featuring wine tasting, light appetizers and desserts, "Pamper Me" stations and a complimentary gift. (*June 15 and July 18 are $49 for the U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View or $59 for the Skyline Deck; Sept. 26 is $47 for the U.S. Bank Home Run Porch View or $57 for the Skyline Deck.)

The Our Family Section
For just $23*, receive a ticket in the alcohol-free The Our Family Brand Section (Section 310, 311) plus a FREE SchweigertTM hot dog and Pepsi. ($25 for Select games; $28 for Premium games. Hot dog and soda available at the Hennepin Grille by Section 311.)

*Promotions and Special Events are subject to change without notice.
* All ticket programs are subject to availability.

Posted on March 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 578

I'm playing catch-up, and above are a couple of posts that got caught up in moderation (with an absent moderator).

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM by Rick 579

TTH-

I think it is safe to say that LED's don't make for a great game day experience, but I don't think that you can say that they won't enhance an already great experience.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 5:19 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 580

I got a tip from one of our readers that Stew Thornley is giving another of his lectures on the history of baseball in Minnesota.

He does these every once in a while. I've never attended (because I have all his books and a pretty solid working knowledge on the subject), but anyone who wants to get the nitty gritty (from a guy who is also one of the Twins' official scorekeepers) would probably find this pretty interesting.

Tuesday, May 3, 2011
6:30 pm - 8:30 pm
Roosevelt, 4029 28th Avenue South
Tuition: $15.00

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM by Rick 581

I haven't seen it yet, but I love the idea of the Twins Tower.

A modern ballpark is no place for someone with an aversion to LED message boards.

Still, it's disappointing if they haven't figured out a better protection solution than black chainlink. That stuff is ugly and actually blocks pixels, leading to occasionally weird looking images.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM by Rick 582

My bad. A "Twins Tower" is a fabulous idea. They should just wait and dedicate it on Sept. 11 next year.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 6:02 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 583

It is an unfortunate name, but it don't mean a thing to any preteen in attendance.

Posted on March 12, 2011 at 6:33 PM by Rick 584

I don't think the name is bad or unfortunate. Going from a Twins tower to Twin Towers is a bit of a stretch even though it only involves moving the "s" from one word to the other. Every time I heard the Twins tower mentioned, not once had it brought recollections of the WTC, until now.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 05:28 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 585

I think the Twins Tower is going to look great! As someone said the ballpark lights drown out the scoreboard and LED's. This was actually a big complaint last year, because the Minnie and Paul sign wasnt bright enough.

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Posted on March 13, 2011 at 08:20 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 586

"Going from a Twins tower to Twin Towers is a bit of a stretch even though it only involves moving the "s" from one word to the other."

Then Osama Lin Baden would be a bit of a stretch as well. Rubes will justify anything apparently.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 08:59 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 587

TTH is sounding a little bit like Charlie Sheen now. I hope you're not serious with your 9/11 rant. Wow.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 09:19 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 588

I agree with Vikes....I loved (still love) the idea of the Minny and Paul sign in center, but it never had the wow factor I was expecting, especially for home runs. That is certainly fine for purists, but I like a little something extra after Twins home runs. I think the tower will add a fun dimension to the ballpark.

I'm always glad the Twins decided to build THEIR ballpark, not just another retro throwback. Good for them!

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 09:33 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 589

Some folks seem to want to assign a certain nobility to the term, "Purist." But in the ballpark realm, purists have evolved into little other than sputtering, harrumphing crumudgeons who resist change. The game isn't going to be like it was when you were a kid and it's time to make peace with that fact. The games will be brighter, louder, and more explosive to attract younger folks and those who see baseball as a stodgy, hidebound, plodding afternoon of watching overpaid guys do nothing more than spit and scratch their nuts.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 11:11 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 590

Well I chuckle at the notion of "purist" as well. I do think some would be perfectly happy with a small, manually operated scoreboard, and the menu being in total just hotdogs, crackerjacks, peanuts, soda, and beer. Oh, and cheese sandwiches. And cigars. See the link from Rick's fine historical site.

I think TF has hit a nice balance so far of modern and "purist" baseball

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 12:13 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 591

The parks, and therefore the entertainment experience may well have become " --- brighter, louder, and more explosive to attract younger folks --- ", but the game itself remains much the same - which is appreciated by those of us whose purpose in going to the park is to take in a ballgame.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 1:11 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 592

someone isnt actually complaining that they named it the Twins Tower are they? wow...better change the Twins name because we dont want it associated with the Twin Tower(s)

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 593

I've been looking on stubhub for tickets and I noticed that a lot of sellers are not listing tickets as "instant download" even though they are available for electronic delivery. Does anyone have thoughts on why sellers would not offer instant download? Perhaps because they haven't received their hard tickets yet so they can't enter barcodes? Or maybe because brokers want to confirm the sale first because they may have tickets for sale at other locations?

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 4:04 PM by kevinmpls Highlight this comment 594

I'm pretty sure TTH was being sarcastic. Many on here don't get sarcasm and take everything he says seriously. I know the feeling. :-/

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 595

Instant download is much easier once your tickets are loaded electronically by the Twins. That is supposed to happen on the 21st. Then it is just clicks, not having to enter bar codes. I'm waiting until then to put up the 2-3 games my family and I can't use.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 596

In fact, I'm not entirely sure which tickets are already available for instant download. Do full season ticket holders get their tickets logged immediately?

In any case, the Twins electronic ticket management system works really well in my opinion, and it is nice to be able to send tickets to my brother instantly when needed (and to not deal with mailing tickets in the StubHub environment).

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 4:58 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 597

Sarcasm is the champagne of humor. Too bad there's so many Kool-Aid drinkers around here.

I know this was brought up before, but it became very evident to me how glaring it is after having been to the Xcel Energy Center for the hockey tourney. Their use of flat-screen monitors as menu boards sure makes grand sense. Easily changeable, which makes what your booth serves very flexible, and it's simple to change the price. You'd think the Twins would've thought of that.

But I am serious about the Twins Tower. It serves no apparent purpose other than as a electricity-wasting kestrel perch.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 6:24 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 598

Well in all fairness it is hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic or serious via type.

Also i understand that not everyone likes the Twins Tower, but we havent even seen what it is going to do yet, so at least give it a chance!

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 599

Lincster,

What do you mean by logged immediately?

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 8:28 PM by tk Highlight this comment 600

@tk...what I meant was, I don't understand how there are ANY instant download tickets available given that the Twins said the tickets would be in our accounts electronically on the 21st (which is the only way I know of that fans can provide instant download to StubHub). Obviously there must be other ways to provide instant download. I just don't know what those methods are.

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 9:38 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 601

I believe that someone can list their tickets on Stub Hub as instant down load, and at the same time tell Stub Hub what day the tickets will be available. Can anyone verify this?

Posted on March 13, 2011 at 10:40 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 602

Be honest, Luke, have you been sleeping with your fresh new season tickets?? I mean I don't know how your new squeeze feels about baseball & your obvious love affair...

2 weeks from today (3/28) the Twins break camp for Hotlanta.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:10 AM by Max Highlight this comment 603

clublevelfan, That is correct.

Lincster, I think the instant download that you are seeing are from those that have received their tickets VIA snail and have manually entered the tickets, or took electronic delivery for the home opener pre-sale. All you have to do is click electronic delivery and then when it asks for the barcodes to go ahead and enter.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 02:38 AM by TK Highlight this comment 604

FYL (yes, I meant FYL not FYI) Max...the guy that runs my ticket group has the tickets and he's in Florida with his family at the moment.

And, not that it's any of your business, but ya, my new GF and I will be using the tickets.

Satisfied?

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 06:52 AM by luke Highlight this comment 605

First tv 'broadcast' game today at noon. Might be a long lunch at my favorite dive bar. :-)

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 08:35 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 606

TTH - Drinking Kool-Aid has nothing to do with anything? Personally, I could care less about this tower, one way or another. It's not going to affect me in a way that will generate either excitement or disappointment. It's just something I'll probably notice the first time I go to a game, then it will blend into the background like everything else while I focus on the game ON THE FIELD.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 607

My sister just emailed me this chart! They really nail the Yanks on this one!

http://www.interpretationbydesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/IBD_baseball_flowchart.jpg

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:56 AM by lindywig Highlight this comment 608

Well, none of this really matters anyway since we'll all be dead from nuclear fallout in a few weeks. I'm just happy that Luke may have the opportunity to die a former virgin.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:21 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 609

RATS!!!! I was hoping to see Nishioka for the first time today. :(

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:02 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 610

Interesting tweet by DSP this morning mentioning that we can expect an earlier on-sale of tickets in 2012.

Says the later on-sale date is result of accomodating ticket system as well as pre-sales...

That is B.S. because they always had single game tickets go on sale in January to coincide with Twinsfest until 2008, when they wanted to move it to March to be "more in line with other MLB clubs"...

I just think its ridiculous they wait until less two weeks before the regular season begins before single game tickets go on sale.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:37 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 611

I'm beginning to fear that we may need radiation ponchos...

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:53 PM by Rick 612

I wonder if the rain will glow? would make for some interesting pictures during a game.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 613

TTH, if the darn thing brings back the kestrel, I'm sure there are many who will think it worthwhile no matter what else it does.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 614

Luke where are your seats in 2011? I want to make sure my favorite vendor "The Trickster" gets you & Joni II your first ice cold beers on Opening Day...

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM by Max Highlight this comment 615

Props to you TTH - I actually had a good laugh at that one. *Rimshot* for you my friend.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM by luke Highlight this comment 616

Maybe the radiation will help the Twins grow from muscles so maybe more than one of them can hit over 30 home runs this year.

Posted on March 14, 2011 at 6:22 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 617

Rick, I feel for your loss of television broadcasting. I live in Iowa which is technically considered the home viewing market for the Twins as well as the White Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Royals and Brewers. The problem is that the only cable provider, Mediacom, only carries FSN Midwest. This means primarily Cardinals games with Royals games when the red birds aren't playing. I would gladly purchase FSN North in some sort of a la carte package but it isn't an option. I cannot purchase MLB.tv subscription because the blackout restrictions mean I could only watch 4 games that aren't being broadcast on FSN North in addition to the nationally broadcast FOX games (8 so far) I could get without paying anything. Satellite companies offer FSN North in packages but I can't get a dish at my apartment building so I'm SOL. I can't see why MLB hasn't figured out a better model for MLB.tv. I know this would be a huge success if they went away with blackout restrictions or allowed you to pay an increased fee to get around the blackouts. Things always seem so simple from the outside and this is common sense so their must be a whole tangle of complicated media rights making the sensible thing impossible to make happen in its current form.

Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:52 PM by triclone Highlight this comment 618


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Frost on the pumpkins, snow on the plaza












This is the LRT path looking from the ballpark site (behind me) toward downtown. The line currently ends about two blocks up this street. This bridge over I-394 is also being partially rebuilt as part of the ballpark project.












Roll-up metal doors visible at right.






This would be a beautiful streetscape if there were ANY people.






2007, Noah's first game (Torii's last)






This design has a rather generic quality to it, but they appear to have considered the B garage. Though it isn't part of the model, they've clearly left room for it.



Bag checking at Ball Park Lanes was incredibly simple, as was the pick up later. The line was short and fast-moving.



Did I mention that the cheerleaders looked pretty sharp?









Most of the main concourse is filled with construction materials...












Looking across the top of the B parking ramp. Notice that signage will block any attempts at seeing the game from up there. Also take note of the glassed in area which is part club and part office space for the Ballpark Authority.



Though there's nothing there now, you have to believe they'll find a way to add a party deck up there at some point.



This is NOT Twins Territory anymore






Impractical, expensive, undeniably cool (Angel Stadium, source LP)






Despite what those signs say, every one of these places was selling either snacks or Yankee memorabilia out of its front door. Do you suppose anything like this will spring up anywhere near the new Twins ballpark?



Work on one of the side panels



The top of a warehouse visible beyond a parking ramp.









One more exterior view shows that, while the original look was attractive in a way, it seems to be a variation on the look of the Washington ballpark (albeit with a much more coherent collection of elements). What's remarkable is that the design team has refined the concept amazingly well, improving it immeasurably. What we're actually getting is clearly descended from this, but it's in a whole different league:






Not from Moose's tour, but it's an image you need to see. (Click to enlarge greatly.)









Glove from above









Loading docks to the right, VIP entrances to the left.



This gate opens onto Seventh Street from the circulation ramps, but it appears to actually be an entrance gate, rather than an exit gate. It has something of a Bat Cave feel about it because it's not a gate proper, but an area of louvers that will swing in, virtually disappearing when closed...



Flag poles, fencing, main entrance gates






Just think: It could look like this!



An alternate route into downtown. (Click to get an interactive map.)






After the rain. (We were in the wrong spot to see the rainbow...)


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BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

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Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
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Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


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(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


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Book and six ballpark miniatures
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