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May 10, 2008 11:51 PM

Here are a few final images from my tour the other day.

It's a bit amazing to think of just how efficient the design has had to be because of the site size. Major portions are being built over the freeway and railroad tracks. But major portions are also being built under Fifth and Seventh Streets.

It's something of a miracle that it fits at all!


One of the many supports being built over the tracks.


A whole bunch of guys working on something.


A slightly different angle, and you can see some of the structural elements.



The view through a construction "knothole".


The bridge is Seventh Street.


The start of the VIP entrance and loading dock.


At the base of the B ramp, the foundation for the center field stands.


The sign reads, "Mortenson Radio Channels".


Construction of the stands is moving from left to right in this image.


Here's where the plaza will empty out around that skyway emergency exit tower at the corner of Second Avenue and Seventh Street.


Looking across the plaza toward the main ticket area.


Viewed from the A ramp.

P.S. For those who are into it, I updated the site status page with all the images I've collected but neglected over the past few months. I've figured that the web cam is usually enough to see the progress, but when I saw these together, it makes for a pretty cool collection.


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So...I was just looking at the "Remembering the Met" link on the left. I am not old enough to remember the Met (I was 4 when the Twins moved into the Metrodome) but the Met looks a bazillion times better for a baseball game than the big inflatable toilet (metrodome). What were the reasons for tearing it down? I am really disappointed I never got to see a game at the Met.

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 1

The Met was falling apart, the upper deck was condemned, etc.

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 4:24 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 2

The owners were cheap.....

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 5:07 PM by bw Highlight this comment 3


The story of the Met is a very tragic one. It all started in 1976. A sh!t-kicking Tennesseean named Mike Lynn galloped into town. Back in the day the Vikings were king. The Vikes are still king in MN but back in the 70's it wasn't even close. Mike Lynn hated Met Stadium - and as a football guy it was understandable. The Met was a baseball park with great baseball sightlines. The sightlines for football were lousy except for the left field pavillion which the Vikings built in the mid 60's. The Met was one of 2 stadiums (County Stad in Milwaukee is the other) to have both football teams share one sideline. This was due to the main grandstand seats coming all the way to ground level. Those were the worst seats for football and a football team should be able to sell those seats at a premium - the Vikings couldn't.

Anyway, in 1976 the Met was in OK condition - it wasn't glamorous but it certainly wasn't the rust bucket piece of junk it turned out to be later. Mike Lynn convinced the Metropolitan Sports Commission that the Vikings needed a domed stadium with 15,000 or more seats than the met. Mike was right - the Vikings needed and rightly deserved a football stadium...They got it with the Metrodome.

The tragedy is that Calvin Griffith was lobbied by many to move with the Vikings into the Dome. Calvin was hesitant at first, but eventually came around to the idea since the Met Sports Commission refused to improve Met stadium any longer - therefore it fell into disrepair.

I was one of the "save the met" crazies back then. Rick has mentioned it before here on this site and on the "Remembering the Met" site that had the Sports Commission expanded the grandstand down the LF line as it was down the RF line, Calvin would have stayed there. The Met was left withering do die after they started construction of the Dome in 1979. Had better decisions been made, the Met would still be there today and could have been an absolute palace much like Dodger Stadium in LA - but no. MN loves to destroy tradition and history.

The Twins once played in a very comfy ballpark with great sightlines - it looks like they will again shortly. But for 28 years they have had to play inside that awful concrete and plastic palace of noise and sterilization.

The MN gov't corrected 2 wrongs by getting the Twins back outside in a ballpark and getting the Gophers back to campus outdoors. Now they need to correct the 3rd big mistake they made. Get the Vikings out from under a roof. Their image died when they moved inside that toilet.

Don't get me wrong Mojo, the Met was a horrible stadium for the Vikings as far as sightlines were concerned, but when it came to atmosphere for football, it was awesome! The vikes need to be back outside.

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 7:27 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 4

i think kevin in az pretty much hit the nail on the head in his analysis. well said...

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 9:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 5

another building (w/ the same namesake) which this region criminally demolished. when will we learn?

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 10:23 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 6

Also, I've heard that there was some "interesting" tailgating at the Met for Kicks games.

Side note, has anyone heard anything about the Saint's getting a new stadium too? Rumors seem to pop up a couple times a year.

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 10:45 PM by Dodgeboy Highlight this comment 7

Thanks Kevin in AZ....I appreciate the knowledge!

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 11:41 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 8


Not just that building..The Twin Cities had it all when it came to architecture. Take a look, click my name

Posted on May 11, 2008 at 11:49 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 9

Thanks for the pix!
As for the Met, I agree it would have been nice to keep it as a baseball stadium. But football? I don't see the attraction of outdoor football in December.

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 10:17 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 10

If you want more info on the demise of the Met and the rise of the Dome, and the politics of the time... Sen. Klobuchar (then a student at Harvard) wrote a great book about it called "Uncovering the Dome". It's in my collection (having studied public financing of sports facilities as a collegian myself).

Kevin's account is spot on though. "We was robbed" of a beautiful ballpark, and then they destroyed that wonderful arena next door... and now we have an Ikea, a Mall, and a big empty there...

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 10:51 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 11

Overheard that the Twins are going to considering a second Web-Cam for the new ballpark that would be mounted to the top of the Ford Centre seeing as they (Twins) now own the building! More Web-Cams! Woo-Hoo!

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 1:00 PM by More Stadiums - Less Schools Highlight this comment 12

Call me cynical, but the average MN fans (probably not on this site) are WAY to pussy to sit outside for a football game in December. Unless the Vikes are winning, and the bandwagon is filling up, it would be tough to fill a cold stadium here.

On another note: I hope when the Dome is taken down, they don't haul off pieces like they did to Old Busch Stadium. It would be great to implode that dump. Even better, I'd love to watch it burn to the ground.

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 2:57 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 13

Maybe when it is time to tear down the Dome, they can let all the fans contribute. Get the cranes and dynamite and wrecking ball, etc out of there. We'll take care of that hell hole ourselves! I would love to see it burn as well.

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 4:10 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 14

Um, how do you burn concrete? I will show up with a sledge hammer though.

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 4:52 PM by Dodgeboy Highlight this comment 15

Regardless of how the place is imploded, can we stick Mike Lynn inside so he can go away with his precious Metrodome? We'll even strap him inside one of the suites that he still receives kickbacks from.

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 7:07 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 16

I was walking around Lake Calhoun Sunday afternoon. Jim Pohlads new house on the Lake is nearing completion. They recently placed Mankato Limestone on the facade of the mansion, just like the ballparks gonna have.

Posted on May 12, 2008 at 9:48 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 17

Actually, Mike Lynn preferred to have the Vikings stay out in Bloomington in a newly constructed stadium for football. It was Max Winter and the other Vikings owners who pushed for a new domed stadium in downtown Minneapolis. Lynn, in his role as the Vikings GM, became the point man for the Vikings’ lobbying for a new downtown stadium. Lynn has long maintained that he felt that the Vikings should have remained in Bloomington and play in an outdoor stadium.

The first serious discussion for a domed stadium in Minneapolis occurred in 1972 that culminated in a city-wide referendum on a city financed stadium via a sales tax. The stadium was designed to accommodate football and baseball, and it was to have a hard roof. The sales tax was voted down.

The issue later resurfaced in the legislature a few years afterward. There were two options for consideration. The first was a multi-purpose domed stadium with an inflatable roof in downtown Minneapolis, which, of course, was built. The other was to build an open air stadium for football (with accommodations for soccer) in Bloomington next door to Metropolitan Stadium. Along with a new football stadium, a complete overhaul and upgrade of Met Stadium was to be done for the Twins, which would have included the removal of the third base line grandstand and replaced with construction and seating identical to that of the first base side of the stadium. Both proposals were to be backed by the state. The conference committees in both houses in the legislature that oversaw the stadium issue supported (by very close votes) the downtown proposal over the Bloomington one. The bill supporting the construction of the Dome then prevailed in full voting in both the Senate and the House. Governor Al Quie signed the bill into law.

Calvin Griffith maintained that he agreed to move the Twins into the Dome because he received assurances from supporters of the Metrodome plan that there would be a guarantee of a minimum number of ticket purchases from area businesses at a level greater than what the Twins were generating in Bloomington. If there was an agreement, as Griffith said there was, it was a verbal one not a written one, and the sales that he figured would occur by it did not materialize. The only thing that was written on behalf of the Twins was a clause allowing the organization to escape its lease agreement at the Dome if a minimum total sales figure could not be maintained. The Twins played very poorly in 1982 and 1983 and the Dome was not particularly well received by the public for baseball. Attendance did not reach the sales minimum that would have held the Twins to its lease agreement and Griffith started looking at moving the Twins elsewhere. A ticket buy-up, led by Harvey McKay, inflated the ticket sales enough to temporarily keep the Twins in Minnesota. By 1984, Griffith allowed for the idea of selling the Twins to a local buyer. In July of that year, he sold the organization to Carl Pohlad.

Posted on May 13, 2008 at 7:57 PM by TK Highlight this comment 18

It's tough to imagine a bunch of MN polticians dumber than the ones we have now, but they sure were back in the 70's. They had a great setup in Bloomington and should have expanded on it.

The Vikes need to be back outside with a large parking lot for tailgating.

Posted on May 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 19

As a 25 year-old Wisconsin native, I didn't know much of this history until recent years (and this website), and have found all this information very enlightening. I live in Minneapolis now and embrace the urban "epicenter" that has become that includes the Metrodome. However, with that said, it sounds like Mr. Winter (funyn he's shares the same name as our gloomiest, coldest season)committed highway robbery of an entire baseball organization in screwing the Twins (and the Vikings for that matter) as he did. It sounds like the legislature ate the magical dust he sprinkled on them and embraced their cheapskate urges. Again, I'm happy these events are contributing to our Downtown experience, but it sounds like they definitely had a better thing going in Bloomington.

At least the Twins are going to get their lost years back starting 2010...

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 08:31 AM by Johnk Highlight this comment 20

Thanks for that TK. Sounds like the Twins & Vikes could have had a stadium complex similar to what they have in Kansas City. Plenty of parking and tailgating there. I was there for a Twins Royals series a couple years back and found it to be most enjoyable. 2010 2010 2010 2010... I can't wait!

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 09:18 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 21

I agree that tailgaiting is great for football, and a big lot is necessary for that. Making a day of it on a lazy Saturday or Sunday.

Baseball in my opinion is a sport that should be set in an urban ballpark that you can get in and out of quickly. I just imagine in the early days of baseball everyone went to the urban ballparks in their suits and ties and right from work for most of them? I like the idea of running over to the park from work and getting out of there after the game quickly, maybe by bus, train, bike car.

I've been to KC, Miller Park, Doger Stadium, these parks surrounded by big lots are a pain in the butt to get out of after a game on a weekday night. Plus, if you bring kids to these parks you have to leave early just to get out of the lot on time to get the kids to bed.

Just my opinion, I'm not a tailgaiting hater, but comparing the Football experience to the Baseball experience in my opinion is apples and oranges.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 09:51 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 22

OHHHH j2k dont get me started on tailgating.. lol i have basiclly been shut down a month or so ago on this comment board by the masses when i brought up the idea of it... i love it... some dont... but then i feel if you dont then just dont tailgate right? if there is no option to tailgate then i feel that is a sad thing.. and just because some would rather keep it all out seem a lil insane and close minded to me... they say tailgating does not belong in baseball.. who are you to say what belongs??? you are just a fan... just like me.. i think anytime you put somthing in control of the fans (as you know in pro sports nothing is) it is fun and good for the game... when the ballpark has been opened for 5 years and if the twins fo thru what the brewers went thru (got the ballpark from the taxpayers and traded all the players that were to make big bucks and basiclly sucked until 2 years ago ) you will pray that people like me will still go and pay for a ticket, parking and show up 3 hours early to support my team and mingle with other twins fans... just give me the option.. i will even pay extra for it... and you can go to your bistro and sip ur cosmo b4 the game and i will have some brats on the grill and drinking a miller lite!!! and also i have tailgated in millerpark and kaufman and have never had any altercations with other fans ... but inside the ballparks and at the bars around them they get unruly and want to fight sometimes...drunk im sure but the sense of brotherhood carrys over the smoke from the grills .. out of state fans and locals get along...its great... thanks for bringing that topic up !!!!! alright get ready for the haters!

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 10:25 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 23

***but then i feel if you dont then just dont tailgate right?***

This is where you err - your tailgating directly impacts my preference for an urban ballpark experience. You can't really have tailgating with lots of parking lots in an urban experience, that requires a suburban site. If it is in an urban location, then it's not a very pleasant urban experience (such as the Metrodome's current status).

Baseball's history is in the cities. The suburban tailgate parks did not emerge until Dodger Stadium, and even now, the vast majority of the new parks are in urban locales.

I don't mean to denigrate tailgating in any way, but you can't really have both an urban experience and baseball tailgating. Given the choice, I'll take the urban experience for my baseball.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 11:41 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 24

I have to agree with Alex B in this case, and will point to Chicago as exihibit A. Look at Wrigley. Great neighborhood, no large lots, and no tailgating. What does it create? One of the best game-day experiences around. Fans show-up early (!) to go to bars/bistros and shops to enjoy the neighborhood. Tailgating is not needed to enjoy the experience.

Now look at Comiske/The Cell. They USED to have a good neighborhood, but the Sox decided to tear it down when they built the new park. There's lots of parking, but no-one goes early, and everyone complains that they "ruined the neighborhood," even though the parking is better than Wrigley, and they can tailgate (which few do).

As I said - I think this is exhibit A to why the urban ballpark works better than the one surronded by parking lots. No one thinks The Cell is a great place to go (atmosphere), and most Chicagoins will tell you it's a tragedy that the Sox bought up the land around the park and tore down the neighborhood.


Posted on May 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 25

Tailgating + Football = YES

Tailgating + Baseball = NO

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 26

Baseball is an urban game and will be played - FINALLY - the way it was meant to be played in Minnesota.

Football on the other hand is not an urban game. It is played outdoors, on the prairie. Give me an outdoor stadium with lots of room for parking and tailgating. Room for playing pickup games while the meat on the grill cooks. Put the place out in a remote area. You have all Sunday morning to get there so traffic won't be an issue - neither will the time it takes to get out. We had that at one time, it's just that the Vikings played in a baseball stadium on the prairie, not a football stadium.

Like I said in a previous post, the MN Government righted 2 wrongs already, let's get the third one right too. What have they done with the land up in Arden Hills - the old arsenal? Isn't that still rotting up there? What have they done with the land of Brookdale Mall?? Is that available? Those locations are too far out of the city and offer plenty of room for football.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 12:43 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 27

this is exactly what i knew was coming... lets face it fellas... there will not be another wrigleyville bulit here or andother yawkey like in boston..ots not ngoing to happen..i belive there can be a tailgate area at this site, a small one but yes there can be.. you may turn your nose up at it but you are not the inventor of baseball and do not write the rule books on how it is to be enjoyed.. alot of wriglys appeal and the reason they pack em in and people come early is the history surrounding the ballpark, same with boston... these are wonderful places to enjoy street vendors and have a great time and catch a game.. the Cell is a crappy joint all in all... like it or not this is minnesota, not chicago or boston or any other "urban dreamland" this will be a awsome ball park and either way it will be great but who are you kevin in az to tell me it dont belong??? who are you moose to tell me ... its not like this ball park is being built into a "dreamland" we ahve a garbage burner behind the 3rd baseline, a homeless shelter behind hime plate along with a soup kitchen... and a bunch a parking ramps ..FAR FROM WAYLAND (sorry id im incorrect on the street name) AVE i would say ... if you guys are looking for a extention of fenway here you are going to be disappointed.. this is minnesota and minnesota fans.. besides people like us that visit this site the normal twins fan wont be as die hard about games when we are 15 games out in july...i have been to 10 game shere so far and 3 in kansas city this year.. i will go to the ball park either way ...alot of people here wont.... just dont be dissaponted if this does not turn out the way you exactly want it (as in another wrigley/fenway)... and just because you dont tailgate.. and you were never brought up to tailgate does not mean you make policy for anyone else... its insane, like me say real twins fans dont wear the hats with the m logo on it... you have to wear the TC... who am i to say that? and who are you to create ballpark policy?

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 12:56 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 28

again i apologize for spelling and grammer, i am at work and get caught a lot on this site.. lol so i type real fast! go twins!

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 29

It's about tradition mazarati rick. It's about real baseball played in the city, in a small intimate park built on one city block. It's not about drinking beer in a parking lot 4 hours before the first pitch, if you want that, St. Paul has a great set up for that called Midway Stadium - St. Paul Saints. There it's all about the beer in the parking lot and gimmicks - Baseball is way way down on the priority list there.

I'm not sure of your age, but Twins fans never really tailgated at the Met. It was mostly Vikings fans. I think the reason many Twins fans tailgate in KC and Milwaukee now is because they miss tailgating at football games and that is the only chance they have to tailgate at a sporting even now that the Vikings play downtown inside that toilet.

You're entitled to your opinion mazarati, however, baseball purists will puke in their mouths at the thought of baseball in a parking lot with tailgating.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 1:04 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 30

^^^type in an e-mail or word document and then copy/paste it into this form.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 1:11 PM by jub jub Highlight this comment 31

I just can't wait to get out of the dome. When the Kingdome was imploded, I did a Joba fist pump.

I'm not going to get back into my tailgating debate mode; I've typed far too much before. I'm with Kevin in AZ on it.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 1:16 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 32


We need to start a list of creative ways to destroy the Metrodome. Should we implode it like the Kingdome? Should we take it down piece-by-piece like they did the Met? I just hope it all falls down and doesn't stay standing like the Met Center did.

C'mon people, think of ways we can tear down the bitch!!!

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 1:21 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 33

I'm going to have to agree with mazaratirick on this one. If you don't want to go tailgating, then don't, what's the harm in a small surface lot or maybe turning the top level of one or more of the parking ramps into a tailgating area. Some people like to enjoy baseball in a different way than you do and want tailgating. Why do you want to force your habits upon other people, seems a little ignorant to me. I don't know if you guys noticed but at the dome there is PLENTY of tailgating going on and it is a very good time. Tailgating is huge around here, deal with it. I guarantee people will find a way to tailgate no matter the setup at the new stadium.

Baseball purists.... give me a break.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:05 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 34

I doubt fans will be able to tailgate on top of the parking ramps. Wouldn't there be fire codes?

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:17 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 35

I am so for the downtown setting, I like im cool with the location.. I guess i just like the idea of it.. yes im 33 so never really been to the met but i loved the met center for northstars and the strikers games and remember seeing the big dark lurking structure in the distance next door (after it was vacant).. i love the idea of the urban ballpark and agian i just want to say that i love this new ballpark (i wouldent check this page 23 times a day if i did not ) but just for my arguments sake, what do you (baseball purests) say about naming rights, cheesecake being served for 18 bucks at the ballpark and every small market ballpark has some sort of gimmicks.. the twins will carry over the ones they have (throw balls in the dodge truck to win a lease, united airlines "how many miles to yankee stadium" ect,,, milwakee has sausage races and so does kansas city....time have changed its all about money...but i like the urban site for this ballpark,,,as for the about we user it out with some sold out crowds in 2009 and put up signs that say "the house that puck built' then the last game which im sure will be sold out everybody wear shirts saying "here vikings, you can have this dump back".... or somthing like that...

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:17 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 36

Well Robert,

As sick as us purists may make you, let's even throw out the baseball purist argument and go with plain old use of the land.

The land in DT Mpls is expensive. To use a large piece of land in that area to tailgate for baseball is not cost-effective. Who is making money off of tailgaters? And who do you see tailgating at Twins games? Maybe on Sat or Sun, but let's face it 80% of Twins games are played at 7pm on weeknights. Any surface parking in downtown on weekdays will be sold to contract parkers for business purposes. Those people won't be out of those spots in time for the true die-hard tailgater to get there and set up, drink and grill in time for the first pitch.

Ain't gonna happen - it makes so sense moneywise. A property owner around the ballpark would much rather build something that will make him/her some money like a bar or restaurant, not a dedicated tailgate lot.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:18 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 37

I wonder how the tailgating will go with the smell of grilling and garbage mixed together. mmmmm sounds good to me, pass me another garbage dog.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:20 PM by mmmmmm Highlight this comment 38

Thanks robert! and belive you me.. we will find a way to get our grill on... i cant afford a 9 dollar "northwest airlines dog" and drink it with my 14 buck summit pale ale that is brought to me by checker auto parts! smell the smoke and come see me i will have hot dogs for all...

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 39

Implode it. Burn it. Haul off the concrete.

Mazarati Rick: Not endorsing a tailgating agenda doesn't make anyone an elitist. Baseball is an urban game, that's all. Let's look at a few other AWESOME urban parks, other than Wrigley and Fenway:

1. San Francisco
2. Baltimore
3. New York
4. Denver
5. San Diego
6. Pittsburgh

Have you ever been to a Rangers game? An Angels game? I have. Plenty of room to tailgate - but people don't. Why? Because it's not the bi-weekly event that an NFL or college football home game is. We have 81 games a year as opposed to 8. It makes sense to tailgate before a game and make a day of it when your team has only 8 home games. But baseball is different...and history serves as an excellent example. That's why some of the best parks are urban ballparks.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:25 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 40

"Us purists", I can smell the smug from here! How about instead of copying what you find "pure" in Chicago and New York, etc, we make it something that is a little more representative of the people in the Midwest. Who said anything about the lot being a dedicated tailgating lot? Why not just a surface lot that you have to buy a space in, like is currently done by the metrodome. What would be wrong with making the top levels of the parking ramps tailgating-friendly? You are right, most tailgating is done on the weekends and probably none will be done during the weekday day games. So what, does that mean that there shouldn't be a tailgating option at all?

I will agree that Wrigley has an awesome environment and while they have little to no tailgating I would argue that the environment they create there is very similar to a tailgating environment.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:26 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 41


I'm glad you have that much time to tailgate on a weeknight. Most Twins fans race home after work, pick up the family, grab McDonalds on their way to the game because the food is so damn expensive and get to the stadium sometimes after the first pitch has thrown. You really are counting on many unemployed people tailgating from 4:00 - 7:00pm on weeknights. Of course with the economy the way it's going, maybe by 2010 there will be that many unemployed people with that much time to tailgate on a weeknight.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:27 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 42

kevin in az, go down to the dome on a Wednesday night, you will see PLENTY of tailgating.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 43

When one of Mary Jo's meth lab apartments goes bad, Robert and MR will be found over there tailgating from the smoldering rubble.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 44

Interesting discussion. But I have to correct the post above:

There is NO smell of garbage in the neighborhood. No smoke, soot, ash, stink, smell -- none whatsoever.

I worked in the neighborhood (at Ford Centre) for a couple of years and never smelled it. Never. Not even once.

So don't try to dump that crap on the new ballpark site. It has some problems, but that is not one of them.

As for tailgating, sounds great but I think it's unlikely there will be room anywhere near the place for it. The only exception might be on top of the parking ramps. But it's hard to imagine getting the necessary permits...

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM by Rick 45

Ok. If you love to tailgate then fine. I have never been but I bet it's fun. However, I was in Chicago when the Sox won the Series and it was the saddest thing I have ever witnessed. All the fans were celebrating underneath a light pole in the middle of a huge parking lot. I couldn't help but laugh. If the northsiders ever do win the most perfect celebration atmosphere will occur. I can't explain what the area is like 3 hours before and after cubs home games but I guess if I have to try I would liken it to the State fair, just in a smaller space and with no rides. I'm just not willing to give up that for grilling before the game.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 46

Tell me this doesn't look fun.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:34 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 47

Yeah Robert, it does look fun. On a weekend afternoon, before a football game at a stadium out in the middle of nowhere with a large parking lot. That's not what's being built however.

And to make it profitable a tailgate lot near the ballpark in DT Mpls will probably charge $30 a car. No cheap Norwegian middle-class family man is going to pay that on a weeknight when he has 20 minutes to grill his burgers, eat them and get into the ballpark before first pitch.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:39 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 48

Compare that to this.

What looks like more fun?

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:39 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 49

more tailgaiting

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 50

You're right kevin, a middle class Norwegian family man probably won't buy a spot in the tailgating lot. It's a good thing we are a diverse city with diverse interests I guess.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:45 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 51

Look, nobody's mind is going to change here. The pictures you put up are Milwaukee's Miller Park and West Virginia. Can you find a tailgating picture next to a ballpark in a downtown urban setting?

I guess it's just a cultural thing.

Spending $50 before you even set foot in the ballpark. Is it better spent on buying raw meat, paying $30 for a parking spot and still having to make your own food?

Or is $50 better spent before you set foot in the ballpark by driving to the Fort Snelling FREE park and ride lot, spending $3.00 for a RT train ticket to downtown, spending $47.00 at dinner at a modest restaurant where someone else cooks for you and serves you your food, you don't have to clean up after yourself and you can happily stroll from the restaurant to the ballpark all fat and happy.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:52 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 52

See if this works. This is us tailgating at a TWINS game a couple years ago I believe.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:55 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 53

Kev, you are really starting to make yourself look like a snob, if you would have went with the "not a good Kev,
You are really starting to sound more and more like a snob with every post. If you would have ran with the “not a good use of downtown real estate” or will probably be hard with the weekday games then I would have probably agreed. But you have to push your snobby attitude on others to let us know how smart you are and how many more ball parks you have been to and so on and so on… I am a father of 2 kev, I work and pick my kids up everyday like others.. I also don’t go to 81 games a year and if I did I would never tailgate at even 40 of them… you are hard headed and don’t want to back down I understand that and you want to save face and I can respect that but purest or no purest you are no better than me or Robert or others like us.. Baseball purest did not want blacks to play in the majors, baseball purest did not want baseball in Minnesota for that matter. So please wake up and take your self down from the cross for a moment and just realize that everybody has the right to take in a ball game as you do. I have tailgated at the dome... its real hard to get close but I have... and others do too.. they creates the plaza to make money on people like me and Robert , that’s what the plaza at the dome is a tailgate area controlled by the stadium and they sell all the beer and brats you want to buy.. is that not allowed in baseball??? I see some pretty drunk folks at games and they don’t tailgate…
I would only go to a few games a week if I go to 3 games a week I will tailgate on the weekend game I go to not the Tuesday game... come on don’t treat us like idiots and its not all about getting drunk or whatever your family told you do keep you away from the tailgaters when you were younger.. we love it cuz we control it.. Simple... I will hang out with a Yankee fan and have a beer and our kids will play catch with each other … its more of a family thing than a frat boy thing... Robert I am thinking kev (who is in AZ, does that mean you possibly don’t even pay the taxes on this ballpark that I do everyday” grew up being picked on by the “cool kids” and the tailgaters remind him of those punks so he is a hater… Kev you have a lot of knowledge when it comes to Minnesota sports history and you have helped my understanding in a few areas but you might want to work on not trying to make others that don’t share your view on something so small as tailgating feel inferior to you and you lets guess Edina education and ways…

I totally agree with Rick.. Does not smell at all down at the site, better than it does at the metrodome site n a off day…

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 54

The link asks me to login...I'll ask you this, did you tailgate at the twins game a couple of years ago close to the ballpark? Washington Ave is not close to the ballpark mind you. I'm talking CLOSE as is in next block or so.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 55

Good god MR, take a pill. Nothing I said is meant personally. I know nothing about you, you know nothing about me..Let's just keep it that way.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:02 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 56

yeah mazariatirick, that was a little agressive. We are just having a discussion about the pros and cons of having a tailgating lot near the new stadium.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:06 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 57

kevin, it was in those lots near the metrodome, a block or 2 from the dome. I would be happy with a lot even a few blocks away from the new stadium that we could use for tailgating. It's an experience and I invite you to come tailgating with us sometime Kevin.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:10 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 58

I'm all for the plaza deal. What they have at the Dome now would be ideal if they could somehow do that on the plaza at the new ballpark. But I'm talking about tailgating. What goes on at the plaza by the Metrodome is not tailgating. Tailgating is portable grill, folding chairs taken out of your truck's tailgate or car's trunk and doing it yourself. That's tailgating.

Mazarati, if what you want is what is on the plaza currently, then I think that blends in just fine with an urban setting - street vendors etc. But where's the room for a tailgate lot?????? I'm not arguing against tailgating because I'm some snob who thinks it's a stupid thing to do. That would make my a hypocrite as I tailgated for years at the Met before Vikings games. I just don't see it fitting the urban, baseball picture. If you don't want to agree with me, that's fine, I'm not here trying to change minds. But MR, you're pushing your agenda just as much as the next guy.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:12 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 59

I wouldn't call the Dome the TWINS LOST YEARS...We have won two world championships there and have great memories of Kirby Puckett there...Don't bash the whole organization cuz we don't like the venue...

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:15 PM by mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Highlight this comment 60

I may have to take you up on your offer Robert. We'll do a weekend series or something the next time I'm back home. We'll tailgate your way on your dime for the first game. The second game I'll treat you to a train ride and dinner before the game. Sound Good?

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:15 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 61

Kevin, I think it would be cool to have a tailgating lot in an urban setting. It would be unique and it could be our little quirk at the new stadium. We could be known nationwide for the great tailgating atmosphere in an urban setting. I think it would be really cool, especially if they would turn the top level of the ramps into tailgating lots, THAT would be awesome.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:19 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 62

The seats are being added at the new Mets ballpark. (click name) Hopefully the Twins choose the same shade of green.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:23 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 63

It would be cool, but the price of those spots are already high. In order for the garage owners to cover the liability cost of allowing burning grills, I can only imagine the parking fee. But remember, I'm a cheap norwegian who scours the land for a free spot on the street before I park in a lot or garage.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:24 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 64

KEV, You must own a famous daves or a venders stand, im not pushing my agenda i am just stunned by your want to do away with somthing i like to do... did i say anything bad about the new ballpark? no I simply said i would like there to be a tailgate area for the tailgaters.. rick replied a month ago saying the same as he said a hour ago ...As for tailgating, sounds great but I think it's unlikely there will be room anywhere near the place for it. The only exception might be on top of the parking ramps. But it's hard to imagine getting the necessary permits...

and that was that.. i agree with him.. but you and a select others had to belittle it and make us feel like we dont belong at the new ballpark if we are wating to bring our grills.. i could care less if you want to ride the train to the game.. i have rode the train to many games last year when my girl lived in bloomington.. but im not sure how long u been down there in the sun but the LT is ONE line.. MOA to the new ballpark.. i am just not lucky enough to be one of the chosen 2% of twins fans to live on that line and when you bring a family of 5 to a game and you can park for ten bucks at the game when you have to drive to fort snelling anyway then pay for 5 LT tickets its more cost effective to drive to the stadium.. now this is alot of usless info to you i am sure but i am only telling you to reply to your dumb comments...and why this works better for me and my famliy.. of course we dont know each other and wont.. robert maybe i will see u in 29 days at miller park i have had my tickets for 2 months now... and i would be happy to grill out with you at a twins game this year...

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:25 PM by MAZARATIRCK Highlight this comment 65


I really like Citi Field more than I like the new Yankee Stadium. What do you think? I know you're a cantilever fan like myself. I can't believe how far away from the field those upper level seats are going to be at the new Yankee Stadium. What a tragedy.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:26 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 66

Sounds good Kevin, I frequent the site a lot so just leave me a little message when you are coming. Also, my name-link is my email.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 67

This is going to be an urban ballpark. And I can tell you that the last thing we want in Minneapolis is large surface parking lots. If you want to tailgate find a lot along hiawatha line get loaded up, grillout and hop on the train to take you down there.

Problem resolved. Now we can barely fit a park in the space that we got and we are supposed to somehow find space to turn into a friggen tailgate lot? Why so that we can have more urban wasteland in our city? No thanks.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:30 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 68

MR, I have a friend in Milwaukee so I was actually thinking about making a trip there for the series. Of course, we will be tailgating.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:31 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 69

mazaratirick, I was just looking at google earth and it looks like there are some lots within about 5 blocks of the new stadium that could be promising for tailgating.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:33 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 70

Citi Field is way better than NYS! The Yankees are making a grave mistake for replace the house, hopefully it reverses the curse, and the Yankees go some 80 years without a a Wourld Series title.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:36 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 71


In no way was my intention to bash the entire organization, I just think they were lost because they were concealed by concrete, astroturf(until 04), and a teflon blanket. Imagine how cool the two world series and a puckett-led Twins team would have been at a revitalized Met or other OUTDOOR urban venue. A whole new level of intrigue if you ask me. Granted the dome-field advantage may have helped with both WS wins!

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:40 PM by johnk Highlight this comment 72

Robert, yes thats awsome.. we will figure somthing out... it will be way less political than its being made out here and if it comes down to it the light rail idea for tailgating will work for me .. my girlfriend is from millwakee and we go every year every twins series.. i cant wait to go in 2010 and bring a poster board of are much better and cooler non roofed ballpark and hold it up in the stands!!!lol

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:50 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 73

That would be so cool if they allowed tailgating on the top level of the garages. Maybe only allow propane grills, no charcoal. Kinda hard to burn down concrete you'd think. But some self-important politician will stand in the way.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:51 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 74

I don't really like Miller, even when the roof is open it still feels like you are inside. I'm really glad they didn't put a retractable roof on our new stadium, it ruins the outdoor experience.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 3:54 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 75

i used to like it when it was all i knew but besides the dome, but then my eyes were opended up by the beautiful work of art called kaufman stadium... that is a gem.. and yes its in the middle of nowhere but its a great out door park... more outdoor than the outdoor ones they build these days (pnc and petco).. but miller park serves me ok for the time until we open our new digs... i will still go there ever year just to rub it in the people of milwakkes face.. no more dome jokes...

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 4:02 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 76

Kaufman is awesome. They love Minnesotans down there too becuase we know how to tailgate.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 4:11 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 77

Kevin in AZ,
Citi and New Yankee Stadium are okay. I think NYS should've went with the non-split upper deck and more of a V shaped main grandstand. The current Yankee Stadium grandstand has this and it helps create an intimidating atmosphere, with the loud fans on top of the action. I also wish they would've brought back some version of "Death Valley" in left-center. The facade however is nice and the gold lettering Yankee Stadium on one of the entrances is sweet. But for $1.3 billion? C'mon

Citi's main grandstand looks a little bit better but I don't like how fragmented the outfield gets and the dimensions are kind of silly considering they built it in a big parking lot. The scoreboard looks to be dominated by ads and the goofy Citi Field sign that looks like the Dominoes Pizza logo. The rotunda is starting to grow on me, but it's too much Dodgers. I'm sure it will look cool when completed, but it kind of fails to capture Ebbetts Field.

In conclusion, the Twins should have the cooler ballpark.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 4:24 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 78

Let me say that I'm not a fan of tailgating, but I understand that people like it... and if a lot wanted to attempt rooftop tailgating, i wouldnt be at all surprised. The problem is disposal of hot ashes. In Milwaukee they have bins in the surface lots... at approx. $10,000/space, i dont know how it would be seen as wise to sacrifice a unit or two for ash bins, which would be required by law.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 5:04 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 79

whoa! what in the world did i miss today?! this is quite the chain. i remember a time when i was usually the one starting these lengthy debates.

mazaratirick – my friend. first of all. welcome to the site. second, i would suggest turning it down a notch or two and not taking every response that is not aligned with your world view as an attempt to “insult” you and/or your lifestyle.

kevin in az is usually pretty straight to the point (i.e. not passive aggressive) which i am as well so i like that. but, he is usually fair & factual in his comments so it is probably not fair to pigeon-hole him as some “elitist” like you feel he is trying to do to you on the other end of the spectrum. rick’s site is certainly not about “class warfare”.

discussion on here can get a little heated at times because most of us want this new ballpark and the surrounding neighborhood to be the best it can be, but rarely does it ever get to a point where people feel the need to take personal shots at each other. the point i am trying to make is we try to keep it mostly civil and a debate whenever possible.

again welcome to the site. i for one enjoy your passionate perspective on all things tailgating.
whoa! what in the world did i miss today?! i remember a time when i was usually the one starting these lengthy debates.

mazaratirick – my friend. first of all. welcome to the site. second, i would suggest turning it down a notch or two and not taking every response that is not aligned with your world view as an attempt to “insult” you and/or your lifestyle.

kevin in az is usually pretty straight to the point (i.e. not passive aggressive) which i am as well so i like that. but, he is usually fair & factual in his comments so it is probably not fair to pigeon-hole him as some “elitist” like you feel he is trying to do to you on the other end of the spectrum. rick’s site is certainly not about “class warfare”.

discussion on here can get a little heated at times because most of us want this new ballpark and the surrounding neighborhood to be the best it can be, but rarely does it ever get to a point where people feel the need to take personal shots at each other. the point i am trying to make is we try to keep it mostly civil and a debate whenever possible.

again welcome to the site. i for one enjoy your passionate perspective on all things tailgating.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 5:08 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 80

it guess it was so good that i had to say it twice!

sorry for the double post above.

gotta watch that "control v" move on the keyboard i guess....


Posted on May 14, 2008 at 5:21 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 81

at a baseball game you want to arrive early and get INSIDE the park to maybe catch batting /infield practice. that's great that they have so much tailgating at miller park, but that city really wishes it could've sited the park downtown for all the spin-off business to restaurants/bars.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 5:47 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 82

geez, way to kill the thread betaband!!
j/k :-)

I guess I'm gonna have to start living up to the asshole persona I've been given by MR.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 5:48 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 83

I like the idea of the tops of the parking ramps to have tailgating, it would also be cool if you can see the field from up there.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 8:08 PM by bmd Highlight this comment 84


I'm not sure if you'll be able to see the field from the top of the parking garage. When I look at the model and renderings, the advertisement boards above the RF bleachers seem so high that they would block any view from the top of the garage.

Burning grills on top of the garages. Someone in the Twins office also mentioned bonfires on top of the LF corner building. I sure hope the Mpls Fire dept has many firefighters on duty on gamedays.

They'll also need to ramp up security in those areas - and I'm not talking about more grandmas and grandpas like they have for ushers. I'm talking buff security guards due to all of the people today taking mind-altering meds and drinking beer. Mix that with arguing sports fans and fire and you've got a disaster waiting to happen. My intention isn't to be a negative nancy here, but, it's only a matter of time before some nutjob would do something stupid and ruin it for the rest of us normal people.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 85

Time to send Gomez down, the most bonehead baserunning I've ever seen.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 9:25 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 86

It's hard to see from the webcam, but those walls around the top of the parking ramp are pretty high. It's not some chest-high structure you can just lean over. It would require setting up lawn chairs on top of your vehicle to get a good view.

And on the subject of fire hazards, I've never seen an uncontrollable fire break out on an asphalt surface tailgating lot, and I doubt I will ever see one break out on the roof of a concrete parking ramp. I understand not everybody on this board is going to do extensive research to back up their arguments with accurate facts, but lets use a little common sense when you're making things up.

Rick, this would be a good future post to explore the possiblities or restrictions regarding tailgating on top of the ramps. I'd actually like to learn what kind of rules and regulations they have on these structures.

Posted on May 14, 2008 at 10:19 PM by Chris Highlight this comment 87

Regarding restrictions on tailgating in the ramps, I'm almost positive this will be/or is a 100% ban. Reasoning would be the ability to get the water up to the top of the structure. There was a car fire in one of the parking ramps at MSP's main airport terminal in February or March. Started at 6 am and fire personnel showed up 10 minutes later. Took the crews 35 minutes or so to start putting water on it. Why 35 minutes? They messed up AND the airport doesn't have a water truck that is able to move up a parking ramp. The ones they have are too tall for the structures. They had to call in a favor too Mall of America which has trucks able to move up the ramps. Fire ended up totaling the car it started in (no surprise) and the one next to it (would have been spared if they put water on when they got there).

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 12:25 AM by ML Highlight this comment 88

It's a liability nightmare just waiting to happen. And I guarantee you that if the Pohlad family has to pay out just one settlement from a bonfire gone bad in left field, you can forget about them spending extra $$ on free agents.

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 01:09 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 89

yea i dotn see it happaning on the roof of the lot.. but agree with robert yesterday it would be a awsome place for it.. scary to think of people playing catch and drinking and falling over ... it would be on espn evey big game though... i thought the scoreboard would block the veiw up there.. is that intentional? oh im done with tailgating and i will figure somthing out when the park opens and i get a few games under my belt and get the lay of the land...if people can smoke crack on the corners of block e and have sex in stairwells (like the vikes players) im sure i will risk bringing a gas grill to a parking lot and getting tossed out...please dont send go -go mez down... for what? he has to be in the top 4 on our roster in every offense catagory.. even homruns.. i know that is sad but its true... i like seeing him and i dont think the twins will be in the positon they are right now (1/2 game out of first) if he was in AAA) ohh and yea over a bil for the yanks ballpark??? come on... our ballpark will be way better...i do like the ebbets field look to the outside of citi field but then agian i have only seen pics of ebbets and not alot of them... dont worry thou guys i have spoke my peace about tailgating and i just want a grand ballpark...and with our with out it this ballpark will be grand

i have a question Rick? i have seen in drawings the twins are putting up big player numbers on the new plaza and around the ballpark for say like kirby and killer carew ect... i dont really like that look i like actual statues of them like in detroit and milwakee.. do you know if that is what they are going with (the numbers) or is that just a idea? Thanks!

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 09:13 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 90

I went up on the ramp this morning to check out the height of the walls facing the park...They're very high, over 8 feet in most places. You'd barely be able to see the playing field even if you were standing on your car.

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 09:24 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 91 has a video on the ballpark.

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 09:35 AM by bmd Highlight this comment 92

here's the link that bmd was referring to (see my name)

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 93

Thanks for the link annoying customer/bmd. Thats one of the best examples of what the park is going be. This truly is going to be one of the finest parks in baseball!!

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 11:04 AM by Meatball Highlight this comment 94

There's a whole lotta concrete being poured this morning. A large section of the RF plaza and the LRT platform in LF. Yesterday a good part of the RF Club level concourse was poured.

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 12:20 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 95

One suggestion for our diehard baseball tailgaters. I park in a lot under 3rd Street (on the far side of Ford Centre from the stadium). I would think that would be a pretty good place to tailgate if you are so inclined. Only a couple of blocks from the stadium and lots of room. Just tossing it out there. You can find me in the bar when the hotdogs are ready...

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 96

Thanks badjuggler!!!! that was easy and simple and no one had to flex those big words!!!

I will have one waiting for u

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 1:57 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 97

We should all try to get tickets to opening day at the new stadium and tailgate/go to the game as a group. Not that it's going to really be possible to get tickets to opening day at the new stadium but I thought the idea was worth throwing out there.

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 5:37 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 98

I don't know Robert. I'm not sure how long you've been reading this forum. I doubt that we would be able to get everyone to agree on where to sit. Some on here don't like the idea of bleacher seating. I on the other hand, love it and that's where I'll be, in LF in my parka with 3 layers of clothing. Early April in Minneapolis isn't like early April in Phoenix. And if I'm not gonna bitch about the cold weather, nobody in outstate MN, SD, ND, IA or WI should either.

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 8:51 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 99

One year ago today construction started on the ballpark. What a difference a year makes, its going to be truly amazing when that grass field is layed out in just over a year from now in the fall of 2009!

Both KSTP 5 and KMSP FOX 9 had crews tour the ballpark site today as part of the one-year anniversary of construction.

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 100

if you guys want to tailgate, go to a saints game. reading your personal attacks makes me want to stick a scratch awl in my ear for some sweet relief...

Posted on May 15, 2008 at 10:25 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 101


This is the last comment I'm going to make on the subject of tailgating at the new ballpark. It is not meant to offend anybody. If it does, then seek medical attention immediately as there are larger issues going on in your life if you feel the need to lash out.

Again for the last time, I'm not anti-tailgating, never have been, never will be. I just don't see how someone who owns a piece of land worth so much money near the ballpark would keep it as a surface lot for tailgating. If you can find a landowner to do it, great. But the land values are soon to go even higher and someone will eventually want to build on that parking lot. They will build something that will bring money into their pockets regularly, not just on weekends when most people will want to tailgate.

Personally, I love tailgating. I've been doing it since 1967 when I became a Vikings season ticket holder. Vikings fans took regular grilling and made tailgating an event during the 70's. The reason I love it is the sense of community with your fellow tailgaters in a huge lot with thousands of grills burning. Even with a small lot near the new field, that sense of community is going to be greatly diminished if you don't have room for all of the other activities which go along with tailgating. Tailgating deserves to be done right. Doing it right is in a huge parking lot which surrounds a stadium in the middle of nowhere. We had that once and I hope we can have that again with a new Vikings stadium. I worry if Wilf builds on the same land as the Dome, there won't be room. I've tried tailgating at the Washington Ave lots but it's just not the same as it was at the Met. I remember being on 494 approaching Cedar Ave and you could smell the grills from the freeway and see the smoke billowing to the south.

As a tailgater you can just chalk this up to another reason to make annual road trips to KC and Milwaukee to tailgate for baseball. I just don't see how it will work in the current location of the new ballpark.

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