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August 7, 2011 1:51 PM

Wow, that didn't last long.

My delusional optimism is gone. But I'm still going out to the ballpark a few more times before the season is over, before the sun sinks low again and we are all covered with winter moss (and, thankfully, not the "Randy" kind).

You should get out to the ballpark, too!

BallparkMagic at Target Field:
Tuesday, August 23, 7:10 PM (Baltimore Orioles)


These are seats out in the Right Field Bleachers, Section 140. These tickets are being sold here exclusively at face value with no fees (shipping only)! It's my way of saying thanks for making this site your source of TF news.

Only $21 per ticket!

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Until we continue, here's a shot intended to help you find your happy baseball place.

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In the last twenty innings, the lads have scored one run and committed five errors. That's not a good ratio.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM by terry Highlight this comment 1

That pic, Rick...post one of those a day between November and April. That will be my happy place. I don't want to think about snow "for now or any other spaceless time."

Bonus points for those who know what movie that line is from.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 2:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 2

It's not even mid-August and the StubHub market has no officially started it's official downward decline.

Hopefully I can get a pair in the Champions Club for under $100 by seasons end.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 2:52 PM by tk Highlight this comment 3

*now officially

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 2:52 PM by tk Highlight this comment 4

Was the Twins bottom of the 6th inning their shortest 1/2 inning of the season? I left the room for 5 minutes when it went into commercial, when I returned it was in commercial for the Top of the 7th.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 2:55 PM by tk Highlight this comment 5

Everyone get in line for 2012 Season Tickets!! The On-Deck Circle now has over 3,000 people on the waiting list!!

What a joke this organization has become and the sad thing is that many fans will continue to flock to Target Field just like the Wild fans kept flocking to the Xcel Energy Center too many years too late.

Target Field is nice and beautiful but I can't justify renewing my season tickets next year. At this point, I would rather save the $2500 and pay below face value on the secondary market for single games.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 6

Wow, this is what we get after not making our team better for the future? I could careless if it would have been a PR disaster to let Span go or Cuddyer to be on a borrowed contract for the remainder of the season...I am really concerned with how this team will be able to perform in the future if we are relying on our AA guys who are AAA replacements this year, and payroll being slashed because the pockets at the top need to be filled.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:07 PM by tk Highlight this comment 7

TK, the bottom of the 6th lasted exactly 5 pitches. Those are the kind of innings you have when you are 13th in the league in on base percentage.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM by terry Highlight this comment 8

Information about the Target Field Transit Hub, click name for link

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM by tk Highlight this comment 9

My season tickets are toast.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:16 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 10

Down a touchdown in the 8th, about to be swept by the team in front of us in the standings, in front of a bunch of players from the 1991 World Series Championship team.

This might be the worst trainwreck of a weekend that I can remember in Twin's Territory. (At least on the field!)

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:22 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 11

One run and five errors in the last 26 innings. In only one of their last four games have they scored more runs than they've committed errors. This isn't just a team out of contention, it is a full blown train wreck.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM by terry Highlight this comment 12

The Home Run Porch View will be looking fairly empty against Detroit. There are about 500 seats still available online for the Saturday game.

I bought four tickets in the Field View section in hopes of going to the 7pm game tomorrow, only to have the game move to 6pm a week or so ago. There is no way I am going to get face value or the several dollars in ticket fees back. I wonder if ESPN will back out of wanting to show this game...

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 3:58 PM by tk Highlight this comment 13

Just got back from the game. The young lad and I haven't left early in 4 years, but today we did. No energy out there at all.

That said, it was a perfect summer day, and 2 years ago I would have given my tickets away or just let them go. It was still fun to be at the ballpark.

I'm not going to say I look forward to being in some premium seats that I could never otherwise afford this September :). We need to make up 5 games in August, and 5 in September. But, we should never get swept by the Sox at home. Ever....

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 4:23 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 14

Mike - It's funny - I remember an interview with a Wild exec. shortly after the X opened, and he said that "the glow of the building will wear off, and performance on the ice will get fans in the seats." Well, the Wild haven't given us anything to cheer about in years...but fans still show up. Can't be the arena - everyone in the seven-county metro has probably been there by now for some reason or another. And it can't be the team.

The atmosphere at TF I think, continues to bring the fans there, just because that goddamned Dome robbed us of a true baseball experience for what seemed to be an eternity. But, I think that will soon pass. I don't think fans will continue to flock to TF like they are the Wild and the X.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 4:41 PM by luke Highlight this comment 15

Well now 1-9 at TF after the game saturday! Only thing left for this year is to see if we can finish dead last. When you can't field or hit or pitch things are not gonna go your way. Will they just cut Nishy after this year? Time to gut and reload for next year.

Posted on August 7, 2011 at 9:54 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 16

Can we officially say that the Twins gave up this weekend and the season for that matter as well.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 06:56 AM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 17

Well the boys are on pace to win 72 games this year. That might be optomistic. Would think we will see 50% turnover next year. I would not break the bank on Cuddy either. 2 years 16 mil is plenty for a soon to be 33 year old outfielder! Pohlads got to be thinking it's time to trim well below the 113 mil payroll for next year.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 18

The sad thing is that this team is not even built to contend in the next several years...

The Twins have not developed an ace pitcher in years...Santana was acquired from Florida via Rule-V draft and Liriano was acquired via trade.

It's time to cut payroll, re-stock the minor league system and re-build the roster.

What you see is what you get with Blackburn, Slowey, Baker, Duensing and Liriano....and that is too much inconsistency. At best, a bunch of #3 starters. The organization also needs to get rid of the "pitch to contact" philosophy and get some pitchers who can strike out some guys.

The defense has taken considerable steps backwards the last couple of years as well.

Perhaps its time for a new front office/coaching staff...

I am as big of a Twins fan as anyone, but reality needs to set in and people need to realize there is not a very bright future for this franchise.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 19

It should be an interesting "Hot Stove League" season this winter. Speaking of which, I have to remind myself how long last winter was and how much I missed going to the ballpark. One tends to forget things like that when the Twins are in a stretch of playing such terrible baseball.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 10:19 AM by terry Highlight this comment 20

IS there anyway we can just hand the baby jesus over to the yanks? For 23mil we could buy some pitching and some infield help!

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 11:01 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 21

I hate to be pessimistic, but I'm not expecting a great showing tonight against the Red Sox, on national television.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 11:14 AM by luke Highlight this comment 22

It's only "national television" if everybody in the country can see it. I, for one, cannot see tonight's game (for which I am at least partially thankful).

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 11:52 AM by Rick 23

I suppose the ESPN broadcast will be "blacked out" in the FS North viewing area? And, I'm correct to assume you don't have FS North??

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 12:23 PM by luke Highlight this comment 24

No ESPN, no FSN, so no Twins on TV unless it's Fox.

I'm still pretty bitter about this.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 12:38 PM by Rick 25

But Rick --- I have it on good authority that the Twins are providing "expotentially" greater value to their fans than ever before!

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 12:46 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 26

Well at least it may be little easier to get tickets to Twins games now, hopefully. Back in the Dome I probably had a 75 to 85% success rate of being able to get tickets. At Target field it's been a little better, probably around a 80 to 90% success rate.

Which is more than I can say for the Vikings. Last 5-6 years I have tried to get tickets to any regular season Vikings game but there's never any accessible seating available. 0% success rate is pretty sad. Keeping my fingers crossed Viking's get a new Stadium soon, don't care where in Minnesota they build it.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 1:17 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 27

Twins vs Boston and I can't get 20 bucks UNDER face value for my Row 11 109 seats on Stubhub......Crazy.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 2:20 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 28

Rick Fox only does Saturday games and playoffs. It's probably good you won't have to watch it. Could be very ugly tonight and the whole series. I heard Reusse say they may have put the whole team on waivers. I would do it for sure on Kubel, Crapper and Nathan. Twins could at least cut some payroll the last couple of months. Boy I would love for somebody to take our $23 mil slap hitting singles hitter the baby jesus off our hands. Mircales can happen?

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 2:42 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 29

Steve - It's only going to get worse...I have a Tuesday night game in September (9/6) and a Thursday afternoon game in late September with Seattle that are going to be difficult to sell.

This trend will undoubtedly continue into next year, with the exception of the Milwaukee Brewers series and the Home Opener.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 30

Course who will buy tickets now anyways? You seen the stock market the last 3 days???? MERCY!

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 31

ALRIGHT - Just to let you know, when I left my gf's house in Saint Michael tonight at 7:05pm. The Twins were ahead 5-1.
It's now 7:55pm, dammit, and it's 5-5! What the bloody hell is wrong with this picture???
I guess it's true what they say, this Twins team really sucks.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 7:55 PM by luke Highlight this comment 32

the espn camera angle of home plate tonight was awesome. why can't FSN give us this view? espn was close, looked great. turn it back to FSN and it looks like the camera is 50 ft further back and up. if espn can do it why can't FSN give viewers this optimal view every night?

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 11:10 PM by tim Highlight this comment 33

When you have 25% of future payroll for the next 7 years tied up in a slow, white, soon-to-be arthritic singles hitter who plays 25-75% of the time, I think the writing is on the wall. I made enough money off my tickets last year to pay for my entire invoice next season. But, I won't. I'm projecting the Twins at about 70-92 each of the next 5 seasons. The chaos and computer-freezing that us STHs loved to see with disgruntled fans in mid-March trying to desperately get their tickets for the season is done...and I'm not about to be the bag holder going forward. There are only two players who deserve $23.5 million a year...Gonzales and Cano. Instead, Bill blows it on the local kid. Even at his best, Mauer doesn't come anywhere near Gonzales. I honestly don't think I'll see a catcher signed for that kind of money again in my lifetime...and I'm not that old.

Posted on August 8, 2011 at 11:16 PM by twinswschamps2084 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 34

What does Mauer's being white have to do with anything?

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 05:51 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 35

Am I the only one who gets the feeling that when the Twins have an early 3 or 4 run lead, the other team has them right where they want them?

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 08:00 AM by terry Highlight this comment 36

No, terry, you're not the only one. I've had that feeling for a long time.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 08:16 AM by luke Highlight this comment 37

I see the baby jesus must have heard footsteps from Ortiz when he wiffed on the easy putout in the top of the 9th. Huff n puff n stuff aka Nathan has to go. Time for a complete roster shakeup! Here is what I would do.

Put on waivers the whole team see who bites.

Trade for anything you can.

Delmone
Fransisco
Slowey
Nishy
Span

Won't be back next year

Thome
Nathan
Crapper

Sign either Cuddy or Kubel but DO not break the bank! 3 year almost too much.

Need a half ass SS and another starter and bullpen help.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 08:56 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 38

It was an entertaining game at least.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 09:16 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 39

It just never ends with this team...now Scott Baker is going back to the DL. Not that it really matters anymore.

I have never seen so many "injuries" with one team, and while there have been more injuries than usual this year, its been a consistent norm with this team over the last few years.

It's time to question the coaching staff and training staff and the entire approach they take in the offseason and spring training.

Any why do we always hear about these "injuries" later on after the fact??? Just more excuses to use for their poor performances???

Any by the way, the Red Sox sure looked "tired" and "exhausted" after arriving in Minneapolis at 5AM on Monday...

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 09:57 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 40

Could the reason the Twins starting pitching has gone in the tank at this point in the season be traced back to allowing them to throw more than the 100 pitch limit? Not because they throw over 100 pitches, but because 100 pitches was the limit for most of these pitchers coming up through Rick Anderson's system. Now they start throwing over that number and their arms have not been conditioned for it, could they now all be suffering arm fatigue? Just a theory.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 41

No Ben...you spelled it wrong.
"Embarrassing" I believe is the word you were attempting to spell.
Easy mistake, both words have the same number of letters.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM by luke Highlight this comment 42

Maybe the Twins are really a front for a cabal of really sophisticated insurance scammers?

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 43

Seats as low as $4 on Stub --- . Twins are going to get a lesson (more to the point "another" lesson) tonight in how to construct and manage a baseball team as well as how to play the game. The "Twins Way" is about as tired as it gets.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 4:59 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 44

That is sad that with one disappointing year, the "fans" will flock away from the team and game. I have tickets to tonight and tomorrow nights game, and still plan on going to both. It is still a baseball game,something fun to watch, whether the Twins are going to the playoffs or not. Minus the Twins pitching sucking last night the game was fun to watch. Did Nathan throw out an excuse for blowing the tied game last night?

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 5:06 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 45

Just noticed this article on the Startrib website. I thinks it's going to take at least 3 years to sign Cuddyer, probably 4. They should front load his deal go with 16 million first year, 15m 2nd, 13m 3rd, 10m last. That evens out to roughly 13m a year for 4 years. Don't know if that good enough but no matter what some people think on this board, from a baseball stand point, they need to sign him. He is by far the most consistantly good player on the team. I always contended the year Mauer won the MVP he owed it to Cuddyer and Kubel, since they are the ones that got that team to the playoffs.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 5:19 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 46

A couple of valid points Duff --- but, did you check on Cuddyer's age before you made those proposals? I agree he is a huge asset at present but time is not on our side here.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 47

Yup he's 32 right now, I'm not too worried about him at 36. Hell at 32 he appears to be in the best physical shape he's ever been in.

By the way good job by that guy who just did not throw the ball back. I saw a lot of idiots in his section calling for it, but he, or she I guess, resisted.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 8:36 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 48

Nine walks!! No comment necessary.

Posted on August 9, 2011 at 10:32 PM by terry Highlight this comment 49

Avoid Cuddy. Likeable? Yes. Decent player? Yes. Worth $15-$17 million going forward? Hell no. Bill has already mortgaged Target Field for one player, he has to work on undoing his damage (Mauer, Nish, etc.) The solutions, albeit long-term ones, were to dump a few guys like Cuddy and Young prior to 7/31, but he convinced himself the Twins were in the hunt. So, on to step 2: Let everybody go whose contract is up, including Cuddy. Step 3: Move $23.5 million man to 1B in another year and let Morneau go. Step 4: Abort PR stunt Nish as soon as possible. Step 5: Pray that there are about ten scrappy guys who will emerge in the farm system ready to start a new class of winners that will break free once Mauer's contract is up. This is a 5-8 year rebuilding plan here. That's how badly this was botched in the past few years. Throw in declining attendance/revenue attendance going forward, and it isn't pretty.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:29 AM by twinswschamps2089 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 50

It will be interesting to see how they spin Slowey's return. He has been buried so deep in the doghouse that he was never expected to again see the light of day in a Twins uniform. Even DickBert was bad-mouthing the guy, as well as the rest of the usual boobs. Now he's on his way back as a starter. So --- do you suppose someone will feel the need to say something nice and expect us to forget that they've been throwing him under the bus for months?

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 01:40 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 51

So Twinschamps your idea is don't spend any money other than on Mauer and sit in the cellar for 10 years. Considering our farm system is in shambles when do you suspect to reover? They can absorb Mauer's contract, they proved that this year. It will not hang over them like KG's did. Especially with Capps and Nathan gone after this year thats 18 million.

It's almost like you want to Twins to suck. If the Twins do anything it needs to start with getting rid of Joe Vavra and Rick Anderson. Mauer is invredibly talented as a hitter, but has not inproved since he made the majors. In fact he seems to have regressed in the last two years. Can you believe he almost hit 30 hrs in 2009, a year he missed the first month of the season? Now he has 1, and 9 last year.

Obviously our pitching is not good, and if you take out Sanatana, who's developement was actually held back by the Twins, and the free-agent pitchers signed, who was the last good farm-grown Ace taught by Anderson? How about we teach a pitcher to strike people out, not to let them hit it?

Sign Cuddyer, Give Morneau one last chance, or try to dump him in a trade, move Mauer first permently, dump Casilla. The only reason not to sign Cuddyer is if they are saving the money go after Reyes, which is a fantasy.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 02:42 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 52

Considering Nishioka has been here less than one full season, don't you think it's a bit early to write the guy off as a bad investment? The guy hasn't even been in the country a year and doesn't know the language. That takes some adjustment time. The guy hasn't stood in the box against Major League pitching before this year. He, like other hitters, needs time to adjust to that as well. Nish also needs some time to adjust to the style of play here in the US. It may also be possible that he, like every single other big leaguer from time to time, is having a down year. Most players bounce back the next year.

Wouldn't it be fair to give the guy another year to make the necessary adjustments before we write him off as a total failure?

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 05:53 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 53

Cuddyer's a nice guy who is having a very good year and looks good in a Twins uniform.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 08:24 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 54

Ben-

Cuddyer has been the best player on this team for years.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 09:20 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 55

Twins are 1 and 9 in the last 10 games. Look out, Kansas City!

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 09:21 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 56

I don't want the Twins to suck...they just are going to suck for awhile, I think. Mauer's 28 HR was Dome-aided...he can't hit the long ball, doesn't drive in runs...he is a slow 2nd baseman that can hit for average with bad knees. And when you sign someone for that kind of money as a mid-market team, you're stuck...you have taken yourself off the free-agent market. And, Nish had one good year in a league far inferior to the Bigs, and that was a really high-risk signing that most would have avoided. As much as I like Cuddy, he has seen his best years. Signing him to a big multi-year deal will just add fuel to Bill's fire. Usually, teams clean house and rebuild without the noose of a $23.5 million player, but we're stuck with him, so you have to do what you can do. Our only hope is that Morneau and Valencia return to their 2010 form next year...and I'm not holding my breath.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM by twinswschamps2089 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 57

I think the 2 years 16 mil offer more than fair. If he wants 3 years I would say 18 mil! Ya thats a 4mil paycut but hey this guy is gonna be 33! I think you can get Kubel cheaper and I like Kubels power and RBI more. Will be interesting to see what they do.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:49 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 58

"Cuddyer has been the best player on this team for years."

Sentiment does not count and statistical analysis indicates otherwise. Nice guy, great team-mate, easy interview (and thus a media favorite), flexible, uncomplaining (except when it comes to trees), talented with some undeniable basic baseball skills, blah, blah, blah. But, he does not play any position particularly well, seldom hits when really needed, and grounds into tons of double plays or strikes out flailing - often after having a terrible at-bat. He is the prototypical journeyman and carries a WAR of less than one currently. On a quality team he is a reliable utility guy with a "maybe" clutch bat and a few tricks for the boys after the game. With the Twins he is a marketing chip. Hardly the best guy on the team for years and due to regress. He's having a good run this season, enjoy while you can.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:28 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 59

Two friends just notified me that they are dropping their 40-game season ticket package in 2012 (they have had season tickets since 2005)...how many more will follow and what will happen with the On-Deck Circle waiting list (which apparently has over 3,000 people on the list)?

2012 invoices are scheduled to be mailed out by the end of August so it will be interesting...

I am more than likely going to be dropping my season tickets as well.

Anyone else on here cancelling? Downgrading? Renewing?

I can't imagine it will be very difficult to get tickets on a single game basis next year.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 60

I'd like to investigate joining in with someone on a 40 game deal just to see where I would be at in regard to $$$, seats, etc. The pick and choose option is looking more viable as well, given that the Twins have removed much of the ST benefits. I think the on deck requires a deposit so those folks are stuck, at least to some degree. The Twins do not care one whit about losing current STH so long as they have a closet door to open - the smugness will continue.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:13 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 61

I will probably drop my 20 game pack and split a 20 game pack with my brother who is closer to home plate next year also. It was a nice 2 yr run. But you know a 55 inch HDTV makes it pretty nice to stay home and watch when you can also. I'll miss the holiday dogs for sure! LOL!

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:52 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 62

Indeed. And for the price of one bottle of lemming piss you can get a six pack of Black Butte Porter!!!

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:08 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 63

Just do like most of the other cheapsters: Buy the least expensive ticket available day of game and move to better location during the game.

It's how the ballpark was designed, buy low move high.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 64

Is it that easy to move about or do ushers interfere, folks look down their noses, etc. I've never been that brazen.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:38 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 65

Until someone behind you sees you moving to those seats and tells security. In fact, you can even text security and they will be there within a couple of minutes asking you to see your ticket.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:45 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 66

Wow! For seats that are obviously going unused? My wife would absolutely wilt!

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:52 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 67

I have to drop...I'm not even sure marquee weeknight games next year will fetch face value. Now, if the Twins start off 30-12, yeah, the premium will come back. But, with all the cancellations, I think the confidence of that is nil. I'm assuming someone is aware of the looming low renewal rate in the front office. I'd actually look for more price cuts in the HRP and Grandstand. Possible price cuts in the premium areas as well. I'd say flat pricing in upper levels and 100s and 200s down the line. There is no way they increase any levels with the current product, unless they're clueless. They need to stave off what could become a PNC Park redux over the next 5 years.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:25 PM by twinswschamps2089 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 68

RE: 2012 Tickets

To me the ratio of Season Ticket retention will be directly related to the quality or lack thereof of your seats. The cheap/bad seats are the first to be given up. No way people walk away from the 1-2K/seat PSLs they paid in the Legends Club. This means the Twins can basically raise the prices every season without any negative consequences.

I also don't see people giving up any Dugout Box or Home Plate Box in the 1st 15 rows (especially with the carrot of the 2014 All-Star Game hanging out there). Everything else is fair game IMO.

I was in Cincinnati and Detroit a couple weeks ago to see ballgames. Amazing the price differences between them and Target Field. 14th row behind the plate for the Sunday afternoon Verlander/Weaver near No hitter was $39 on the ticket. Friday night in Cincy in the 2nd row behind their version of the Champions Club for $28 (secondary market). Hard to beat those with a stick. I think a market correction may be in order...

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:06 PM by Max Highlight this comment 69

Are you stuck with the same seat when you purchase a PSL, or can you upgrade your seat from season to season? Of course, being that the Twins only offered PSL's in the LC, you'd have to upgrade within the LC.

I always thought when you purchased a PSL, you bought the right to buy season tickets for that seat - period.
It sounds strange to pay a couple thousand for the right to pay several thousand for season tickets.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:17 PM by luke Highlight this comment 70

I fortunately have been able to find people to pick up 5-10 games in our lower level seats, and 3 others committing to 20-games in our upper-level seats, so I will be back next year. It does suck not to be able to get money back, and it will be even more interesting to see how the ticket prices work with dynamic pricing.

In the survey to STH, they asked how one would feel if the Twins would lower ticket prices to where STH pay at the discounted price and even lower.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:30 PM by TK Highlight this comment 71

I actually think the first seats to be abandoned will be the more expensive ones that are not corporate. I dished off my Legends Club seats after last season for this very reason...I only got what I paid for my PSL ($1000 per seat), but a LC holder this year very likely will face the dilemma of walking away from their seat with no buyer (thus, no PSL sale and their PSL cost down the drain), or ponying up $4,000 per ticket next year. I got rid of mine just to be safe, but I didn't envision the debacle that happened this year. I think there will be a lot of drops this year. I have cheap seats now...and they're fine, but I'll pay $13/ticket and I know I'll get stuck selling weeknight games for $6/ticket next year. For anyone who cares, I looked up better seats at PNC...upper level just past 3rd base, and they were $4.93 per ticket on a season ticket plan. Similar seats at TF would be around $20/ticket on a ST plan.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM by twinswschamps2089 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 72

When you bought Legends Club PSLs (Section A, B, Q, R were $1000 and Section C-P were $2000 a seat) you therefore "own" the seats provided you continue to pay the Twins each year at their determined price. You are free to sell the PSLs for any price and pay the Twins a $100 transfer fee.

I would argue that the majority of the "good" seats at TF are indeed corporate/company owned. Probably 90%.

Posted on August 10, 2011 at 9:12 PM by Max Highlight this comment 73

I do not quite understand why the people here think there will be a mass exodus of season ticket holders at the end of the year. Do get me wrong, I wouldn't mind one, so I can move to a better location (I want the seats first row by the Ford signs). It's one down year, in which there is still a month left and a half left. It will be a sad statement if all the fan support vanishes.

Went to the games tonight and last night and the stadium was mostly full, even with the Twins 10 back. Yes it was the Red Sox and there were a lot of Red Sox fans there, but we'll see what happens after the Yankee's leave town.

It was a weird feeling in the top of the 9th. It almost felt like the entire ballpark was waiting for Nathan to blow it. There was really no cheering or excitement until 2 outs and 2 strikes.

The weather for tonight's game was the most perfect it could be, and most perfect I have been at, then throw a win on top of it made for a perfect evening of baseball.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 02:02 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 74

Apparently a great many people did not have "fan support" as their motive for purchasing ST in the first place. Their motive was to profit on the resale of those tickets and everyone had one hell of a year --- last year. The fall off in "interest" was always going to happen as the novelty (the so called "honeymoon") of the new park wore off. The team playing as poorly as it has been has only served to accelerate the process. Just as with the team itself, it is the dollar that reigns supreme, not the game.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 06:58 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 75

I'll re-up my 20 game ST package. I waited 29 years while the Twins were entombed in that sepulcher on Chicago Avenue for the return of real baseball. I didn't get season tickets as an investment; I got them so I could enjoy the game the way God and Abner Doubleday intended.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 08:38 AM by terry Highlight this comment 76

Why are you caring what the motivation is behind the ticket buying? At what point in recent Twins history have they ever not been about "the dollar"? Why is everyone all of the sudden complaining about it? Why because they didn't give out a crappy bobblehead or a media guide to the Season Tickets Holders? I'm one and I don't care, more stuff to sit around the house collecting dust. Hell the media guide probably wouldn't have made it out of the park. And the bobble heads are as stupid and pointless as beanie-babies. I guess it's a great way to lure the kids in to coming. I'd much rather have $2 hot dogs and $5 beers over this crap they give away.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:58 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 77

Well --- you are getting, and going to get, neither. Do you ever tire of being dead wrong all the time?

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:02 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 78

Ok, go play with your bobbleheads, you child.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:32 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 79

If you want outdoor baseball with $2 hot dogs and $5 beers, than look no further than the Northwoods League...very good brand of baseball.

Meanwhile, the Twins will quickly realize they will need to offer some benefits to STH's to keep them renewing. If you can go online and get better and cheaper seats on the secondary market on a single-game basis, than what is the purpose of season tickets compared to buying tickets on a single-game basis? A media guide and bobbleheads might not sound like much to one person, but there are people out there who enjoy those types of things and collect them or simply appreciate them. Other nice things in the past include lapel pins and construction countdown timer. They also had better single-game pre-sale opportunities back in the day.

Sooner or later the STH base will decline and the Twins will need to provide some incentives to purchasing season tickets just like they did with the bobbleheads and those things in the early 2000's.

No more bobbleheads, no more media guide, pro shop discount was reduced from 25% to 20% (while the prices increase), single-game presale event is now worthless. I don't use the Metropolitan Club so that is not a big benefit to me.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:01 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 80

Why are the Twins gettting flack here for being out to make money? Wasn't that the business model in the first place? Is there a successful business out there that doesn't try to maximize profits and minimize expenses? Are there whole sectors of the business world that don't try to increase the perception of value in order to increase their mark-ups?

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 8:08 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 81

I am fine with the Twins making money, and the Twins sure make there fair share, it is just when corners are cut to save additional revenue and not show loyalty to their long time customers.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 8:16 PM by tk Highlight this comment 82

Many of whom, by the way, are paying for the palace. Anybody notice that these sots of things were not taking place when the team had their hands out?

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 10:59 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 83

Do you think Bill Smith is ordering up playoff invoices and Game #163 tickets to be sent to all STH? In terms of tickets, I think the Twins pricing is fair, especially given the new park. It is cheaper than Chicago, on par with St. Louis, and more expensive than all other Midwest teams. If you want dirt cheap baseball, go to Cleveland or Pittsburgh. I looked into mini plans with the Cardinals, and the Twins are on par with them for STH benefits...next to nothing. Most other Midwest teams will guarantee playoff strips for a 20-game package, or give a pair of tickets for Club seats, etc. I picked up 3 bobbleheads last year...Dan Gladden, Rick Aguilera, and Delmon Young, for being a STH. They are collecting dust in my kids' rooms. My media guides from last year were all bent up by the time I got to the light rail and eventually made it to the recycling bin. I'm not big into that stuff. Now, a pair of passes to the Champions Club would motivate me a little bit.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:22 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 84

I was forced to be a single game ticket buyer for the Dome years...just waiting until I knew there would be demand and jumped on in 2010. I do rely on the secondary market, but taking that out of the equation, I would renew if I thought the Twins would be a solid team next year, without worry about the cost, etc. I just don't get a good feeling. There are health issues and payroll issues. The only real significant improvement financially is to lose Nathan. I think the Twins will re-sign Cuddy and Kubel and go with basically the same team next year with Mauer playing his last year at catcher, and Revere in for Young. They've got to get Nish out of the lineup. He is a complete non-factor. Casilla has been solid enough since June 1 to get another shot. He's been the brightest spot in our middle infield...and that's sad. Bill ravaged the bullpen and middle infield in the off-season, and it showed.

Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:39 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 85

Next six games against the top two teams in the AL Central, three against Cleveland and three against Detroit.

Any guesses of how many games our guys can win this roadtrip?

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 08:09 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 86

Here is a great article by Peter Richmond about the architectural opportunities missed by NY and American sporting venues in general.

Click the link.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 08:12 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 87

Pessimistic side: 0-6
Optimistic side: 2-4

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 08:12 AM by luke Highlight this comment 88

I'm hoping for a 3-3 trip! Really doesn't matter much at this point does it? Twins goal to not finish last. I don't see them getting back to 5 games under the rest of the year. We can be a spoiler though. LOL

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 08:19 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 89

This from Shooter:
Entrepreneur: One broker bought a pair of Twins Legends Club tickets on Stubhub late Monday afternoon before the game against the Red Sox for $5 each, then resold them on the street for $50 apiece. The same fellow, also on Monday, bought eight tickets together in Section 302 at Target Field for $5 each on Stubhub, then resold them on the street for $25 apiece.

I find that hard to believe....has anyone ever seen Legends Club seats for $5 on StubHub??? Even if its true, why would anyone buy a "ticket" printed off on a sheet of paper? Obviously, those would have been electronic tickets due to the timing. I would never trust anyone selling a ticket printed on paper....But than again, the secondary ticket market is not exactly a very hot market right now in regards to the Twins.

Just seems like more BS made up from Shooter but its always worth a good laugh...

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 09:56 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 90

Mike - why is that a ticket printed on a piece of paper is any more of a risk than the actual ticket? The actually card board ticket could be void because it was either sold on Stub Hub or electronically transfered to another person.

Either way, you are taking a little bit of a chance when you buy on the street. However, with the ball park sold out, do you have any other choice if you choose to run down to the game at the last minute?

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:04 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 91

Sounds like a typical shooter reach! LOL! He throws enough BS out there thats for sure.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 92

Apparently, according to Shooter, awesomeness returns to Minnesota this October. He said the Gophers are slated to play Nebraska for the homecoming game on Oct. 22.

FINALLY, a homecoming game that deserves some respect. I'm curious to see how the Gophers are going to do against USC first game of the season, and on the Trojans' home turf. That should be interesting.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:47 AM by luke Highlight this comment 93

I find the "entrepreneur" story hard to believe too. I'm wondering if the LC portion of his little thing was a misprint. I wonder if he meant to say that said entrepreneur found them for $50 on StubHub and could only sell them for $50.

I wonder if Shooter's point was that said entrepreneur made zero profit on the LC tickets, but turned around and made a nice profit on the tickets in 302.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:54 AM by luke Highlight this comment 94

Shooter's Legends Club story does not seem believeable.

For two recent games I found myself with an extra single LC ticket. I offered it on StubHub each time for $50-$55 (a price below any other LC offer that I saw) and on both occasions the tickets sold quickly. But then, again on both occasions nobody ever came to sit next to me. What happened? Did someone just want the ticket to get into the Legends Club or did a broker buy them and then find themselves unable to resell them on the street?

I did appreciate Shooter's comments yesterday about the trees:

"Although the Twins removed those gorgeous pine trees in center field to improve the backdrop for batters this season, the Twins are hitting just .250 - 10th among 14 AL teams - compared with last season, when they hit .273 - third-best in the AL - with the trees."

BBtT

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM by msp Highlight this comment 95

Brandon,

That is an awesome article. Thanks for posting the link. And I agree with every word (albeit without having seen any of these three facilities in person).

Here's the quote that got me:

Peter Eisenman, the designer of our most distinctive football stadium, University of Phoenix Stadium in Arizona, where through the glass end you can see the desert buttes... (speaking about the horrible design of the new Meadowlands) ... "It's sad; we missed an opportunity. There was no energy. There was nobody in the press who cared."

That is why BallparkMagic was founded! -- to hold the stadium designers to account. And I do take just a little bit of credit for creating a forum which encouraged the Twins to make better choices when designing TF.

I'm feeling energized for this site's next act...which may wear purple.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 4:35 PM by Rick 96

Welcome back, Alexi. Hope you enjoyed your stay.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:55 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 97

Shooter's story not credible? You guys aren't paying attention.

If you follow Stubhub closely, there are regularly tickets in fancy sections (and all sections for that matter) listed for next to nothing. They appear sporadically, and always disappear within moments -- mainly because brokers have software which monitors listings looking for just such things and snaps them up before you or I ever could.

In other words, they absolutely exist, but you can pretty much forget about finding them unless you're willing to either become a broker or sit in front of a Stubhub screen all day every day. (You can, of course, try setting email alerts, but you still probably won't beat the serious brokers.)

As for a plain paper ticket, the risk of a counterfeit is very low (basically the same as an "official"-looking ticket). Most of the brokers out there want to be able to keep selling tickets, and it takes just one fake to be out of that job forever. In what some consider a dishonorable enterprise, there is a rigid code of honor at work.

A broker told me a story about one time selling a bunch of nullified tickets by mistake (the originals had been delayed in the mail, so he had printed them himself; when the official ones arrived, they got accidentally mixed in with his good stack).

The customer who bought on the street got turned away at the gate, so he stomped right back the corner where the broker was working. At that moment, the broker recognized his mistake, and knew his day and reputation were sunk if he didn't fix it (which he did on the spot).

Fakes do happen, of course, but it's not the regular brokers who sell them. It's usually a special group who blows into town for a really big event, unloads a ton of fakes in half an hour, then disappears forever. This can't be stopped (though a sure tip-off is if the guy doesn't seem to know the Legend Club from the Skyline View).

But if it makes you feel more comfortable, be sure to snap a picture of your broker as you walk away. It won't get your money back if the tickets are bad, but it might help the authorities in the event that a bunch of folks get scammed (say, during the 2014 All-Star Game).

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 7:59 PM by Rick 98

I never thought the trees were "gorgeous". I always thought they looked puny and out of place. I'm glad they're gone. (Sorry, msp. A good campaign is fun, but I can't join this one.)

And I never believed that getting rid of them would help the hitters, and it clearly hasn't.

But reimagining the batter's eye should be on the off-season to-do list for the facility people. I like water for that spot (between innings, of course), though I think there might also be room to build a new club out there with smoked-glass windows like they've done in other places.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:07 PM by Rick 99

Isn't there a freeway on ramp right behind it?

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 100

Pavano's reaction in the dugout tonight said it all. When the starters do have a good outing, they are not getting any support from the hitters or the fielders. That "fielding" (sic) tonight was embarrassing. They must have some better fielding middle infielders at Beloit or Elizabethton.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 8:45 PM by terry Highlight this comment 101

If the coffin hasn't been closed already, it should by the end of this series, unless they can win 5 straight.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:08 PM by tk Highlight this comment 102

Maybe to avoid Rick's scenario...getting scammed by scalpers at the 2014 ASG, MLB should require folks who purchase tickets to pick them up in person at TF the Saturday before All Star Week begins(should TF get the game).

I think (Max, that's an emphasis on think, I'm not saying it's fact) the NFL requires personal pick up for Super Bowl tickets.

That way, the margin of error for fakes to show up would be incredibly slim, if not nonexistent. I do remember, during Super Bowl XXVI here in the Cities, there were a couple incidents of fakes floating around.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 103

Oh, and Brandon, I'll second Rick's sentiment - that was a great article. Thanks for posting it.

I hope that, when it comes time for a new Vikes stadium, we don't construct a "Lump" to follow the Dump we built in 1982.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 9:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 104

Winona Mike,

There is a service corridor which runs around the entire ballpark below the main concourse. At its midpoint, the back of the batter's eye is about 50 feet from the edge of the freeway entrance. I'm not suggesting another Champions Club, but there's plenty of room for a press-box-style row or two of seating at a drink rail behind glass.

To better imagine it, think of that batter's eye drink rail on the main concourse. Now imagine replacing the cement with smoked glass, building a wall about where the ketchup is currently, then duplicating that same thing one level below.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM by Rick 105

Sounds do-able.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:23 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 106

I was on here a day or so ago pleading Hishioka's case, but tonight he didn't do me any favors with that terrible 6th-7th inning performance in the field. Yikes! Tolbert was as much of a liability as Nishi.

Posted on August 12, 2011 at 11:27 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 107

Do the Twins have there eye on any Junior High prospects to help them up the middle? Maybe the Twins have found some help while scouting the RBI League talent this week?

Posted on August 13, 2011 at 12:51 AM by tk Highlight this comment 108

I'm a big Nishioka fan, but I think he needs to spend some time in the instructional league this winter. His head is just not in the game.

Don't know if it's a language issue, or lack of experience, or what. But this is a guy who won batting titles and gold gloves in Japan!

Posted on August 13, 2011 at 07:12 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 109

You've got to wonder if there is something contractural which precludes sending him down or otherwise demoting him. Anyone else would be under some kind of gun you would think. The Twins apparently thought they were buying a player AND a market but have only gotten half a deal so far, if that.

Posted on August 13, 2011 at 09:00 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 110

It could be a number of unfamiliarities. Language, culture, style of play, climate, diet, scarcity of houses of worship. The guy might just be homesick. Even so, the breakdown in his game is in fielding more than hitting, and getting your glove on the ball is basic and should be instinctive. He didn't seem focused last night.

Posted on August 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 111

Brand new baby as well - maybe he's stuck with the 2AM diaper change? The issue is how much slack they cut him and at what point it's too much. I bet some other players (like Pavano last night!) are wondering where the buck stops.

Posted on August 13, 2011 at 10:35 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 112

To me it also seems like each time I see the interpreter on the bench he does not look engaged and looks bored.

Posted on August 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM by tk Highlight this comment 113

There may be some overthinking regarding Nish...he isn't that good and has no business being in The Show. He had one good year in a league the equivalent of AA or AAA ball. Bill must have been sick of having journeymen in the middle hitting .250 to .280, so he tried to do something cute, and it made things worse. I wasn't a huge JJ Hardy or Orlando Hudson fan, but they were reliable veterans who somewhat contributed for the benefit of the team. Nish had a bad break to start the season, but don't hold out for Ichiro-like #s here. With Nish's fielding vulnerability and lack of power, he has got to hit at least .280 to make this worth it to benefit from his speed. Didn't Bill spend like $5 million just for the rights for this guy? He's not getting paid a lot on a salary basis, but the team is clearly worse with him in the lineup. The best we've had up the middle this year is Casilla/Plouffe for a few weeks in early summer. I'd still like to experiement with moving Morneau to 3rd next year, and sliding Valencia to the middle. These parts are easily interchangeable, and, assuming Valenica is the player we saw last year, it could eliminate what has become a really sore spot for the Twins. Of course, to get Mauer over to 1st, we need a real backup catcher.

Posted on August 13, 2011 at 1:51 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 114

If taken in pill form, the Twins' hitters this year could be the cure for insomnia.

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 09:03 AM by terry Highlight this comment 115

Or a suicide pill...

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 116

Mauer bagged out (again) of today's game due too "general soreness" even thoug he absolutely kills the opposing pitcher. Memo to Minnesota Twins: IS THERE SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT TELLING US IN REGARD TO MAUER?

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 117

Ben,

There is absolutely something the Twins are not telling us about Mauer, because none of the information provided so far comes anywhere close to explaining his "injuries" and absences.

When no sufficient explanation has been given, it follows logically that there is critical information missing.

I have heard of a rumor going around inside baseball circles that Sid was very close with his lyme disease theory, but that the disease in question, while neither lyme disease nor life-threatening, was borne by a different class of parasite.

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 4:36 PM by Rick 118

The potential for something tragic exists?

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 4:44 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 119

No. It's said to be completely NON-life-threatening.

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM by Rick 120

Which would include MS --- would it not?

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 121

Rick, In the game a few weeks ago that was broadcast on fox saturday baseball, the commentators mentioned nearly immediately in mauer's first at bat that even though the team says he is healthy, clearly to them he was not. They said there was obviously something still bothering him that the team wasn't letting on about. I wish they would have shown their hand a bit more and gone into more detail about what they knew, it seemed as if they had plenty of extra that we didn't know.

Also, should I update this for the Twins as well? Linky link.

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 6:28 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 122

Ben,

Borne by a parasite. Preventable. Treatable. Potentially very long recovery time.

Jared,

Would that be "MinnesotAAA Twins"?

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 7:07 PM by Rick 123

Rick, I think just a capital A at the end would suffice. Okay, that is a little critical, maybe two AA.

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 7:16 PM by TK Highlight this comment 124

I did not think the Twins did Mauer any favors with their secretive treatment of whatever was wrong with him. "Bilateral leg weakness"? C'mon, that's what I feel when I mow the lawn! And I don't have to go to Fort Meyer for two months to recover.

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 8:57 PM by terry Highlight this comment 125

Why not shut him down until he is back on the block?

Posted on August 14, 2011 at 10:25 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 126

I'm sticking to my early onset arthritis due to catching theory. If they suspected something neurological or even serious, I doubt he'd be out there playing. He wasn't playing badly since he's been back either. Not a $23.5 million performance, but not god-awful like most of the rest of the team.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 127

Man, Thome's "run" to #600 is becoming more of a slow crawl to the grave...Gardy is running him out there daily to get to #599, and which point you will only see him play at Target Field.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 12:02 AM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 128

Interesting Tweets from Span tonight, after it was said and done, he talked about how it was a joke.

thisisdspan: "I'm finding out who my true friends are on this team"

"If u can guess which teammate I'm talking about u will win 2 free tickets to a Yankees game! Lol"

"Im not being serious people. Just a joke. U guys love drama lol"

To be honest, I see a team that hasn't been functioning in weeks. Also, you also have the comment from someone anonymous in the clubhouse saying that Nishi is a AAA player. Not looking positive for team chemistry, which I think adds to why this team in underachieving.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 12:56 AM by TK Highlight this comment 129

Anyone have a link that shows the Twins' 2012 tentative schedule?

K

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:24 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 130

The 2012 schedule is not released until mid September.

However, I just saw a note in Sid's column today stating that the Twins are tentatively schedule to open April 5 in Baltimore, with the home opener scheduled for Monday April 9 vs LA Angels.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:39 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 131

The 2012 schedule is not released until mid September.

However, I just saw a note in Sid's column today stating that the Twins are tentatively schedule to open April 5 in Baltimore, with the home opener scheduled for Monday April 9 vs LA Angels.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:39 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 132

Delmon Young era ends - traded to Detroit: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/127759143.html

That better be one good PTBNL, but probably won't be.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM by BR Highlight this comment 133

Really surprised that they made the trade for Delmon inside the division. I guess that just shows what the market was for him.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:58 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 134

Did the Twins trade him to Detroit since they are already in Detroit and could save that extra money on airfare? --rim shot--

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 1:58 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 135

It should give at least an interesting story to tonights game. And what truly shows the market for him was that he was allowed to be claimed off waviers by a first place team.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:05 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 136

It will be interesting to see what Jim Leyland does if Delmon tries the "Go Fetch" play in Detroit.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:14 PM by terry Highlight this comment 137

OK, Young is gone. About a year too late, but it's still a good thing. I bet the Twins pitchers are ecstatic.

My only problem is that I now need a new least-favorite-Twin. Who will step up?

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM by Rick 138

They did not trade him so much as they got rid of him.

Rick --- I almost hate to bring it up because I think he probably deserves some more time, but --- Nishi might be your best option.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 139

He's on the short list, to be sure. But I want so much to like the guy.

Casilla has been brewing down there...

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:32 PM by Rick 140

It's addition by subtraction. You rid yourself of a very poor fielding corner outfielder whose slugging percentage is practically imperceptible. And as an added bonus, you get rid of those ugly tattoos.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 3:38 PM by terry Highlight this comment 141

Why make this move now, though? Do the Twins really think this is the best they can do? Nelson supposedly has some good stuff and a decent ceiling, but he's not a very good pitcher right now.

This front office just seems so clumsy. They should have dealt "Mr. RBI" last offseason when he still likely had some value, or else waited until they could talk to more teams this offseason...

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:11 PM by BR Highlight this comment 142

Before anybody freaks out looking for their tickets selling on StubHub..The price you list them at is not what is showing..StubHub included the fees now so if you list a ticket for say 129 it will show 141..New feature..

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 4:55 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 143

Bill "buy high sell low" Smith strikes again...

Does anybody think we'll have a new GM next year? Damn-near everything this guy has done has misfired. I'm just wondering if the Pohlads are getting restless with one of their own yet.

Just to summarize, we lost 2 decent players in extremely vulnerable areas for a non-impact pitcher and a PTBNL when this is all said and done.

If Mauer and Morneau have these kinds of years next year (assuming they play), these team will make the Royals look like the Phillies.

I have a feeling Bill is gearing up for that 4-year $50 million offer to Cuddy.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 5:55 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 144

The more I think about it...Cuddy may not want to be back next year. Not sure he wants to spend the rest of his decent playing days in rebuilding mode.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 145

And Delmon homers in his first at-bat as a Tiger.

That's just the way the entire season has gone for the Twins.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 6:18 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 146

It's always a pleasure watching Delmon Young and Carlos Gomez hit home runs against the Twins...

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 6:20 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 147

One bright spot... #599.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 7:44 PM by BR Highlight this comment 148

#600!!!!

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:08 PM by BR Highlight this comment 149

Congratulations, Jim Thome!!

Now, the Twins really need to win this game.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:11 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 150

Congrats Thome!!

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:19 PM by TK Highlight this comment 151

Didn't want to include this in the last message, but DANG! what is going to keep my tickets relevant now?

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:19 PM by TK Highlight this comment 152

Man, I must've motivated him with my post last night! Too much so, as I was hoping to see it in person vs. the Yanks!

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 8:21 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 153

Great for Thome! (Rough for all those Twins fans trying to sell leftover tickets on Stubhub.)

And not that I want to see him gone, but here's hoping they figure out a way to get this guy back to the Phillies before the playoffs. He deserves one last shot at a ring.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 9:00 PM by Rick 154

Even in the midst of a terrible season, baseball has the ability to deliver pure magic! What a wonderful night. Delmon's HR started the game, but by the end the story was Thome.

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 9:15 PM by terry Highlight this comment 155

Back to the discussion of a few days ago and the dialogue between Rick and msp. Perhaps the solution is a happy medium between their two sentiments: don't bring back the trees, but do build a tree-themed restaurant behind smoked glass in the batter's eye. In keeping with the ballpark's other displays of respect for the team's glorious past, there could be dramatic wall carvings - maybe even holograms - honoring the 14 trees that were forced to move on to less hostile environs for the benefit of this sub-par team's sluggers. Poignant fan-contributed descriptions of each tree's fate could be presented in high-tech multimedia displays. Of course the food served would also be tree-themed; pancakes with maple syrup comes to mind, along with various fruits and nuts.

BBtT

Posted on August 15, 2011 at 9:42 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 156

Didn't realize how fast time went. Charley Walters in today's Saint Paul Shopper's Guide said that next month will be a year since the whole Wally the Beer Man thing at TF.

God, time moves fast.

Posted on August 16, 2011 at 12:33 PM by luke Highlight this comment 157

Here's a question, what happened to the pic of TF at the header of BPM.com? It was ATT Park for a while, now nothing's been there for like two weeks.

Posted on August 16, 2011 at 6:25 PM by luke Highlight this comment 158

Nish, Butera, Tosani...why do I keep seeing names of players that have no business being in the Major Leagues? Why, Bill? Why? How long does a guy have to hit .160 to get sent down? It's like my co-ed softball team when that one girl fails to show up...we take an automatic out at the bottom of the order. That's what this team is with Butera.

Love Delmon or hate him, I think the Tigers got a steal and took advantage of Bill. He can be a .290/25/90 guy for several years with the right team...a team that sticks him in RF. In return, we get two unnknowns who may remain unknown forever. What would we have gotten for him in the off-season?

I can forgive Bill for thinking he can build a team around M&M...it was impossible to see this coming from Morneau, not so much with Mauer and his knee history prior to The Contract From Hell. But, it's these other moves that drive me crazy!

Shut Mauer down for the year, get the surgery out of the way early, have a complete rehab planned for the off-season, Morneau to 3rd, Valencia to 2nd, Casilla/Plouffe at SS, hire a lawyer to find some escape clause with Nish. Revere, Span, and re-sign Cuddy if the price is right and the duraton is 3 years in the OF and Kubel at DH. Get rid of Cisco and Slowey, send Duensing back to the pen, get rid of Crapps, Nathan, and anybody in the bullpen not named Perkins. Spend some $$$ saved from Nathan and Crapps to get 1-2 decent starters to go with Pav, Baker and Blackburn. C'mon, Bill! There is no way a team can win with complete dead-weight comprising 1/3 to 1/2 of the batting order.

Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:56 PM by twinswschamps2027 (aka twinswschamps2011) Highlight this comment 159

Love him or hate him, Walters said the following today "There isn't enough personal income in the Twin Cities to financially support four professional sports teams, according to a new study by Minneapolis-St Paul Business Journal."

Well, we won't need to worry about that for too long, after the Viqueens move to LA and the T-Wolves, as part of NBA restructuring, are contracted.

Posted on August 17, 2011 at 12:12 PM by luke Highlight this comment 160

a real kreskin there aren't you.

Posted on August 17, 2011 at 2:29 PM by tim Highlight this comment 161

"kreskin", as in the bio of the guy linked to my name (clicky)?
Maybe that should be my new nick around here: The Amazing Kreskin

Posted on August 17, 2011 at 5:41 PM by luke Highlight this comment 162

I love that you quoted the Shooter as saying a different paper did a study.

I looked at the methodology of how they did the study(link) and it fails to mention anything about corporations and the money they spend on suites, tickets, and other things surrounding professional sports.

Now I freely admit I'm not a big statistics guy, but something about the whole study seems flawed and seems to have been conducted just to make headlines. All it really says is the teams ticket sales may be volatile.

Posted on August 17, 2011 at 6:12 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 163

Nice win tonight. Now lets hope we can take the next 11 at home.

Posted on August 17, 2011 at 9:49 PM by FD Highlight this comment 164

It has been a long day, and I was hoping to figure out the Twins Elimination number, as MLB.com does not have this up yet. They usually have this in the standings, but do not yet.

For the optimists...Twins Magic Number 51

I am guessing the elimination number is 40, but thought I would check?

Posted on August 17, 2011 at 10:15 PM by TK Highlight this comment 165

Okay, maybe 23?

Posted on August 17, 2011 at 10:18 PM by TK Highlight this comment 166

2012 Season Ticket Prices have been announced....

I bet the Twins would have liked to increase the season ticket prices, but they knew they would get backlash considering the on-field product will not be very great in 2012.

Nice to see no increases! I still don't know if that will validate renewing or not, but if pricing is any indication, it will definitely be a buyer's market again in 2012.

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 10:13 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 167

Got a buddy going down to TF today who wants to try to get a Jim Thome autograph. Anyone have any tips for getting an auto around the player parking lot and such before the game or maybe a Thome grabber during the game that yields good autograph results?

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 10:23 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 168

And by during the game I don't actually mean during the game. I should have said after gates open during BP or before first pitch. Or how about after the game for that matter?

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 169

"As a Twins Season Ticket Holder, you know better than anyone else just how entertaining and affordable a game at Target Field can be."

Indeed. A hotdog is only $5.00, a beer is only $8.00, and watching one hoppers bounce off of Nishi's chest - what could be more entertaining?

"That's something you can look forward to continuing next year as we prepare for our 2012 season ticket renewal campaign, starting in the coming weeks."

Wonderful!!!

"We are tremendously thankful for your loyalty and support of Twins baseball and are committed to ensuring Twins season tickets remain a great value."

So much so that we have eliminated free ST bobbleheads for STH as well as media guides and scorecards. We will be diligently searching for other ways to "increase value" --- perhaps discontinuing complimentary Twinsfest tickets?

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 170

Speaking of TwinsFest...do you think it'll return to its rightful place at the Dumpty next year, now that Humpty Dumpty is once again inflated? Or will the Twins look for a new location?

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM by luke Highlight this comment 171

No increase in ST prices for 2012. Also no announcement what single game prices will be (RED FLAG: They are going up). Rumors swirling that the Pohlad's want to reduce the payroll in 2012...Hmmmm

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 2:22 PM by Max Highlight this comment 172

Are you renewing for 2012 Ben?

Maybe they will drop the pro-shop discount to 10% while at it...

luke -- it has already been announced (maybe not officially announced) that Twinsfest will return to Mall of America Field in 2012 the weekend of January 27-29.

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 2:49 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 173

Thanks, Mike. Hadn't heard that.

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 2:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 174

Glad Twinsfest will be back at the Dump next January. Blaine was pretty far out of the way for those of us coming from the south. Much easier to park & ride on the light rail. Also the Blaine site was pretty crowded. Tells you how this season has gone that I'm looking forward to an event in the dead of winter.

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 5:00 PM by terry Highlight this comment 175

I'm guessing single-game prices will be increased. That's one way to ensure keeping the season ticket holders. However, with Stubhub, I'm guessing that doesn't work as well as the pre-stubhub days. 10 years ago (heck, two years ago) I bought single-game tickets through the Twins all the time. Not once the past two years.

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 5:29 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 176

That bench - or lack thereof - is ridiculous tonight. It reminds me of when I was coaching Little League and you'd sometimes have two or three kids at summer camp. "Let's see, you cover left and left center and you cover right and right center".

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 7:24 PM by terry Highlight this comment 177

Starting in right field and batting third: Joe Mauer.

Think the bat-boy can be considered a 'bench player'?

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 7:26 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 178

Can I just say, when the Twins do these pre-game ceremonies (How many of THOSE have we had this year?), can't they start them earlier? Pushes the game way back.

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 9:03 PM by luke Highlight this comment 179

The Twins are going to try and get $19/seat out of the god-awful home run porch? Good luck with that. For the first time in 3 years, the Twins ticket sales staff will be busy.

Posted on August 18, 2011 at 9:36 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 180

As a STH, the only way I care about the value of my tickets going up is if the price of standard admission goes up.

Posted on August 19, 2011 at 01:28 AM by TK Highlight this comment 181

What is the differential between your ST cost per seat and what those seats would cost "standard" including fees? Couple of bucks a ticket? What do you lose in interest by fronting for the STs? Do you eat tickets for any reasons? Maybe just a bunch of split hairs. I think a guy who likes to go to several games a year - who isn't real picky about day/time/opponent parameters (in other words a guy who just likes going to see baseball get played at this level) - should be seriously considering the secondary market.

Posted on August 19, 2011 at 07:13 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 182

As a "for instance" --- right now from the Twins site you can get a couple of dandy seats for tonight's game for about $250 or standing room for $26 each plus fees. Or, at Stubhub, a couple of seats in 304 for $31.60 total. Lots of other options either way but if I was shopping I'd be doing it on Stubhub (or Craig's or the Bay).

Posted on August 19, 2011 at 07:44 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 183

It's a good point, Ben. As I see it, the advantages of being a STH are:

1. Guaranteed seats to your selected (or assigned) games
2. Savings over single-game prices
3. Always in the same seats
4. A few other miscellaneous perks (gradually being reduced)

And while I love the notion of all of these things, and often think I should go for it, it's never quite worked out for me because:

1. My schedule is such that I can't plan far enough in advance which games I'll be able to attend.

2. The secondary market can usually handle my needs and even save me money over the STH prices at times (outside of extraordinary circumstances).

3. I prefer to sit in different sections of the park for each game.

4. Most of the STH perks are rather low on my priority list.

I've had some success as a member of ticket groups, though I always seem to have to eat some tickets that I can't use or sell. That would only get worse if I had a 20-game plan. Plus, I always seem to have the wrong number of tickets. When I get four, I need two. When I get two, I need five. Sometimes I only need one.

I can imagine a day when my kids are grown and I have lots of time and disposable income (ha!) and can make going to games a priority. That would certainly be a great time to be a STH.

But then again, the only place in the park where I might want to sit for every game -- the Legends Club -- is probably always going to be beyond my means no matter what. So I don't see it happening, but you never know.

The bigger question is what the Twins will do if a significant number of people decide to drop their STH status. Will the prices ever go down? With the perks ever go back up? Will some sections now reserved for STHs be opened up for single game sales?

The sad thing about this subject is that it only matters when the Twins suck on the field. That's when you find out just how much of the market is made up of serious fans who will go to see a game even when there's only a 40% chance (or less) that their team will win.

As we saw in the 90s, that number is pretty small. And even when you add in the ever-dwindling number of folks who still want to see the new ballpark, lean days could be ahead.

Posted on August 19, 2011 at 09:56 AM by Rick 184

good post rick. You would have to think that the Twins exhaust all other options BEFORE reducing ticket price. Even if that means cleaning out the proverbial closets, or still leftover dome stuff.

Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:24 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 185

I'm wondering if your "advantages" are valid.

1.It's not selected or assigned - it's assigned, period. I can count the number of "pleasant" games I have attended with my STs on one hand and still have a finger left over to pick my nose with. It's been perhaps an odd year climate-wise, and maybe I've been unlucky, but the weather has been absolutely brutal more often than not for my wife and I.

2. Depends on where you acquire them.

3. Maybe, maybe not. We all know that the Twins' "Not a bad seat in the house" mantra is hogwash. In my opinion, at least, if you can't see the plate - or a significant portion of the field - sitting comfortably (if even that is possible), you are not getting what you paid for regardless of how little you paid.

4. What perks would you deem advantageous?

Now, I am generally happy with my STs and may well hang on to them while trying to improve upon them. But, there are definately other ways to accomplish the same goal and those ways are well worth consideration. Flexibility is a wonderful thing and might be easily a great deal less wallet intensive.

Posted on August 19, 2011 at 11:26 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 186


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"Hey look! There we are!"



The first completed mural



For those who have never seen it up close, that's what it looks like when steam comes out of the HERC plant.






Sometime in the late 1980s: B ramp is under construction. Not yet built: Target Center, I-394 and the A ramp.



Stepping inside the circulation building






The view from my seats in Section 237 (The Trap), Row 1 (can't see much of center field without standing up...)



This is amazingly close to completed. It's a short tunnel entrance ramp to 394 underneath the outfield stands.









"I've never seen them do that before," said a Metropolitan Club waiter as I snapped this picture.






Handshakes all around (there's gonna be a lot of that over the next few weeks)



And another angle looking at the overhang area of the right field pavilion. This looks to me like a great area to watch a game.









Look beyond the gigantic hand (a hounds tooth jacket? really?) and you'll get a glimpse of the main grandstand configuration. The two (or is it three?) levels of suites are visible, as is the design of the so-called "split upper deck," and the extensive use of limestone for decorative accents. Let's hope these little touches don't get cut as costs increase, because they make a nice tie-in from the outside of the park to the inside. Of most interest to me is the way that the very best seats are physically separated from all the rest of the seats by that limestone. There will be virtually no way to sneak into these seats. On one level, that's a somewhat sad design feature...



Future station?



Loading docks to the right, VIP entrances to the left.






Toronto



Lots of people are doing it.



The Ballpark Authority at work (Source: RP)









This is where you will put out your butts -- I mean enjoy some pretty flowers.



The french fry lights were on!



Fan number 3,030,673 came through this gate a few moments after I took this picture.












I noticed this detail while taking the previous picture. I figure that it must be the VIP entrance from the surface parking lot. I don't think there is any parking inside the ballpark, so this entrance will likely be for suite-dwellers and other VIPs, though I can't say for sure whether players will enter here.






A view of construction from the B ramp. This looks toward Seventh Street, over what will be Gate 34 (the main entrance).






Here is one of the concept drawings referenced (but not shown) in the MPR story (conceptual ballpark at left, LRT tracks switched to the north half of the Fifth Street bridge, which is actually in all of the long-range plans).



Viewed from another angle, you can see that the bullpens now sit beneath the upper deck outfield seating.



I didn't check the menu too closely, but it looks like all the standard fare is available, and not much of the non-standard stuff.



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Detail on the main gate, with Target Field sign



Walkway sneak peek



Main concourse, looking toward the admin building.



This is what it looked like during the first open house in March.



This is NOT Twins Territory anymore



Section A, Row WC



Seventh inning sing-along.



Up close, this is what you'll see as you walk along.








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BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

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