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May 30, 2012 4:27 PM

With one distraction now wiped away, let's return to a much more favored distraction:

Yes, last night the Twins put together a winning streak (two games) by way of a walk-off Josh Willingham 3-run homer. Not many people were left in the railyard to see it, but for those who stayed it was more than worth the wait.

Denard Span hits in the 9th inning at a nearly-empty Target Field

After three-and-a-half hours of full counts (generally followed by walks), runners abandoned in scoring position, slow trips to the mound by catchers, small-ball nightmares, and progressively numbing extremities (mine), I found myself involuntarily yelling "Throw strikes!" at poor homegrown hero Glen Perkins.

Who knows how long the kid will pitch for the team, but Cole De Vries will be on this list forever.

At the time, while I was watching him throw 25 pitches and walk three batters, I did not realize that Perkins has pitched in four of the last five games. He looked a little gassed, but I thought it had more to do with the excruciatingly slow pace of the game. A pitcher's duel is defined as watching two fine pitchers keep the other team off the scoreboard. This game certainly wasn't that. It was more like dueling Barney Fifes -- each team racing to get the bullet out of their pocket and loaded into the gun so they can shoot their own foot.

So, truth be told, by the time Perkins entered, I was gassed.

And cold. A brisk 62-degree start to the game had declined to 55 degrees by the time Perkins entered. I wasn't exactly under-dressed (sweatshirt and jeans), but did wish I'd brought some gloves, and wondered how an overcast 62 degrees could seem so much colder on May 29 than it did back on April 15 (same conditions, different experience, different outcome). Maybe it's true that our blood runs thinner during baseball season. Maybe there's a correlation with the team's record. Maybe we're still in the process of getting ourselves back into the proper shape for outdoor baseball. Who knows?

My dad professed again his love for the 70-degree, windless Metrodome, a rather common thing to hear up in the View Level, especially during windy games. I continue to wonder just how long the Ballpark Authority will leave us to suffer the wind tunnel that is the upper concourse before they install some sort of shielding above the concession stands. Couldn't that be done easily with colorful vented tarps of some sort? (Might help the hitters, too.)

A few diehards bundled up and stayed

Though when I think about it, I guess it's not a big deal for me. I can make it from my seat to the bathroom and back rather quickly. But at the base of our section staircase is a Turkey-to-Go stand with the saddest looking staff. No matter who is there on any given day (spring and fall), they look like they would be more comfortable in a snowmobile suit with a little TC stitched on the front of its face mask. I wouldn't do that job even for Joe Mauer money (though I'd certainly be willing to go 0-for-5 for that kind of money any day -- and I'd even throw in a few fielder's choice grounders for free).

It was a great moment when, somewhere behind me, the sun dipped below the cloud cover and shone brightly off one of the skyscrapers for a few minutes, providing some welcome heat!

Hard to believe, but the glare was actually warm, and it gave me an idea for the ultimate french fry light for the entire upper deck -- though it might interfere with being able to actually see the field. (By the way, other than in the event suites, the french fry lights were off last night, despite all the shivering.)

Last night represented my first return to Target Field in six weeks, having missed two games due to the most unpleasant head cold I've ever had. (I know, I know. "It's going around.") One of the byproducts was that I completely lost my senses of smell and taste (plus most of my hearing) for about a month.

Maybe that's why, as I walked the main concourse before the game, all I seemed to be able to notice was what I could smell. There were so many different and fleeting aromas that I couldn't help but start writing them down on my scorecard (there's a first time for everything).

Obviously, various types of ballpark food were at the top of my list (most notably popcorn, beer, and mini-donuts). But I realized that I didn't smell nearly as much garlic as on my last trip, and a whole lot more ketchup. I also got strong regular whiffs of jalapeno's, whatever fuels the grills, and salsa. Beyond food, I could smell bubble gum, hairspray, rain (a few drops fell about an hour before game time), baby wipes, various perfumes/colognes/deodorants in varying strengths, stale cigarette smoke in clothing, matches (not sure why that would be, unless it was sulfur being used for another purpose), and even just general must.

But at a point, while riding the escalator up, I picked up the most distinctive smell of all. It's a melding of many indistinct things, the combination of which I've smelled now many times -- but only here. I've been to plenty of other ballparks and never smelled anything quite like it. Thus it must be described only as Target Field Stew. Its components are actually a little hard to extract. It's certainly one part beer, and one part french fries, and one part the Asian Wok, but there's also a little new car mixed in, and something indescribable, like maybe ink, fresh paint, escalator grease, or maybe caulk. Mix in a little bit of sauerkraut and fried food and you've got it.

That may sound like an unpleasant combination, but I gotta admit that it's become part of TF's identity to me, and I welcome it every time -- whatever it is.

Late in the game a haze began to enter the ballpark from the plaza (or was it from beneath the stands?), and when it finally got to us, it was quite the mystery. Fireworks? We hadn't seen any. Exhaust fumes? No, at least not diesel. It smelled vaguely like a lawn mower gone bad, but we never found out what it was.

After the game, picture time

One thing that I now realize I have never smelled at TF, no matter how close I've gotten to the field (or even when I've been on it), is freshly-mowed grass. I'm not sure why that would be. I've commented before that they keep it cut so short that it's a wonder it can survive at all. Maybe that means they cut off too little with each mowing to release the smell, or maybe just that they cut it long before anybody gets there, and the smell just wafts away.

Since I approached the park from a new direction with this game (parking at the Farmer's Market annex for a little pre-game tailgating), I noticed for the first time that new reservoirs of grass have been created adjacent to the VIP and employee parking lot. It also looks like they've already been extensively tapped.

Just beyond this was another area of grass which looked newly-sodded but was not enclosed by a fence. It was especially lush, making me think that they may be planting Kentucky bluegrass wherever they can find an open spot just in case they need more patching than the official areas can provide. I do not envy Larry DiVito his job. (I might take that job for Mauer pay, but only because I could probably retire on the amount collected before the grass died.)

Early in the evening, the clouds looked like a distant, painted diorama. They never threatened rain, but had a character which made me appreciate again the wonders of outdoor baseball.

Late in the game my dad asked me if I wanted his scarf, but I had no trouble turning it down. I wanted a roofless stadium, I told him, and I can make it work.

One section over I caught a glimpse of a friend who I know is as anti-outdoor baseball as they come. She had bundled up in winter garb, and I'm sure had a few things to say to the people around her about her disdain for the weather. But just like back at the Dome (where she led the LaTroy Hawkins Fan Club for many years), she was cheering with all her might, and leading a new song that goes something like this: "Denard! Denard! Denard-Denard-Denard! Denard!" (She's a singer in one of my choirs, but I take no responsibility for the musicianship on display. We never have to project quite that much.)

We all live and adapt.

We talked about the weather a lot up there last night, what with being Minnesotan and all. And we groused about the team and the overall quality of play on the field. I'd bet that each of us silently had thoughts about leaving early at various points in the game. It certainly did not look like a contest that would end happily for the home-town nine, and there was a distinct sense that enduring the elements would not pay off.

Of course, at the ballpark, if the product on the field is disappointing or something else is bothering you, there's always something interesting to eat. And though I've set a goal for myself to try a new food item with each game, I couldn't make it happen last night. All I could bring myself to buy was a boat of cold, wadded, unpleasant cheese curds. And not only did I have to pay $5.25 for them, I also had to explain my scorecard to a concession stand worker with no clue what it was all about. ("What did you write down? What does E-1 mean? I don't get all those numbers like 2-6 and 7-8." Seriously.)

But the reason I didn't buy anything more was mostly because my mom had stocked her bag with treats and brought a new one out every couple of innings. Tootsie Rolls. Hershey bars. And at one point we all split a Salted Nut Roll.

So here's the thing about baseball even on a chilly and windy night in the upper deck when the team sucks: Your dad may offer you his scarf. Your mom may hand you a piece of a Salted Nut Roll. And somebody may hit a game-winning homer on the final pitch.

Ain't life grand?

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I made it to Monday's game and enjoyed the dose of summer, although Sunday's major heat is more my style. Cool nights like yesterday are okay, but it feels more like an April, early May, late September or October thing. I'd have felt pretty let down to have end of May tickets and had a game with temps in the 50s.

Posted on May 30, 2012 at 4:52 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 1

Awesome article Rick!

Posted on May 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM by ole Highlight this comment 2

Rick, you captured one of my favorite moments of a night game: that last glimpse of sunlight on Minnie & Paul.

Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 3

Is it just me, or does the pseudo-neon on Minnie and Paul look a little brighter this year?

Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:49 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 4

Great article Rick! I love the picture of the distant sky, which is something I missed at the Dome. By the way, does anyone know why the Twins are now wearing the 80's/90's "M" cap vs. the "TC?"

Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:52 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 5

I thought the same thing about that Minne and Paul neon. Comparing last year and this year, clearly there have been upgrades:


Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:24 AM by Rick 6

nice article rick. well done. although a bit too much talk about weather for my personal tastes. we are in year 3 folks. time to just accept the weather conditions presented (hot, warm, kind of warm, slightly chilly, cool, cold, rainy.....whatever they are on any given game day) and move on.

i have lived in MN my whole life and truly do not get some people's fascination with discussing the weather to the extent that they do.

not that rick is necessarily doing that here to such an extent, but there are certainly some who post on here who fit that mold.

there is an old saying that kind of goes something like: "if you are talking with someone and the topic turns to a discussion of the weather, well you have both run out of things to say and it is time to move on". i try to live by that one.

:-)

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 01:17 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 7

I am a self professed weather geek, so I fit that mold Beta. Sorry!

Only 2 more days of school left, then I can really focus on baseball (my wife would argue that I already "waste" too much time on the game now!). By the way, my 8th graders went 16-2 this year!

Has anyone crunched the numbers on Josh Hamilton's season so far?!?! If he continues on his pace (I know, but hey it's baseball and stats and numbers are one of the highlights of the game!) he would have 193 RBI and 71 homers!! That would be an insane season and break Hack Wilson's record for RBI by 2!

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 09:13 AM by ole Highlight this comment 8

I think it's funny when Minnesotans start whining and searching for their gloves in 55 degree weather.

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 09:14 AM by BR Highlight this comment 9

Beautiful photos!

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:58 AM by terry Highlight this comment 10

Ha! It looks like the national media is starting to notice our bleak otlook.

Check out the link.

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 11

*outlook

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 12

Linked is an amazing SI article about former Twin Dan Naulty and his run to the top with steroids. The article also profiles other former AAA Twins players and references current Twins coach Steve Liddle.

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 13

Thanks for the link DreDogg! That article is spot on and this last sentence says it all..."Because right now, there might be no team further away from success than the Minnesota Twins."

Where do you even start if you are Terry Ryan? Your minor leagues are depleted of talent and you have very few players that offer any trade value. Morneau is injury prone, Capps is inconsistent.

As a Twins fan, you can only hope Liriano starts pitching better to increase his value and you hope Morneau can stay healthy as well to trade him. But even then, Terry Ryan has to have some guts to pull a trade and not be afraid to make a deal.

I can't believe I am suggesting trading Morneau but there really are no other options right now. Who else is worth any value to trade at this point? Span? Capps?

Hate to say it but it's going to take the Twins at least 3-4 years to re-build this roster and replenish the minor league system.

And even when the Twins were on top all of those years, they still struggled against teams outside of the AL Central.

I hate to be so negative and glass half-empty but its the reality of the current state of the Twins organization.

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 14

That's a powerful article, Jared. Thanks for posting that. Well worth the read!

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 15

If your the Twins, you hope Capps can play consistently well enough that a contender in search of an additional reliever will make a decent offer for him.

Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:36 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 16

I read a small blip on Facebook that Dark Starr was found dead today? Can anyone confirm or deny?

Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:52 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 17

Posted on June 1, 2012 at 5:54 PM by Rick 18

it sucks, it really does. the twin cities has lost a true icon. well, in my mind he's an icon, when you think twin cities sports reporters, names like Dark Starr, Sid Hartman and Reusse come to mind immediately. love him or hate him, he seemed like a really nice guy.

Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM by luke Highlight this comment 19

Time to cut Pavano and go all youth. He's done.

Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:11 PM by badjuggler Highlight this comment 20

"It's just been a bad Bernie Mac day all around"

Clicky...Santana pitches a no-no tonight for the Metropolitans. First in franchise history.

Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:18 PM by luke Highlight this comment 21

Congrats to Santana on the no-no. Twins fans should be happy for him. He's had a long climb back.

Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 22

Luke i'm right there with you about the Darkman. I was raised listening to talk radio, and Dark Star was always the guy on the radio when I was driving home from my grandparents house. It was so much fun for me to stay awake and listen to this crazy voiced guy making jokes I knew were funny and somehow taboo because my mom would get uncomfortable and my dad would chuckle. Hard to believe he's not going to be there providing off the wall theories and occasionally adding some very astute sports observations.

Posted on June 2, 2012 at 02:04 AM by jp Highlight this comment 23

very true jp...The Sports Show on CW won't be the same either.

Any more information on how he died? I can't imagine his health was in tip-top shape, especially the last couple years. His voice (to me) seemed to be getting more hoarse and he had gained a ton of weight...I don't know if he was a smoker or anything. All I have heard is that police ruled out "suspicious activity"...

Posted on June 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM by luke Highlight this comment 24

I heard on the radio it was a heart attack but have not seen any confirmation of that. Heard they found him lying face down in his bedroom in his apartment.

Posted on June 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 25

He smoke, drank, wined, dined, and generally live life as hard as possible. His only physical activity would be golf with Tom Kelly a couple of times a week, TK would walk, Dark had a cart. I remember listening to him on Common and he would talk about how we would only sit Champion Club at TF b/c he didn't want to walk, and loved the valets. His death isn't surprising at all.

Posted on June 2, 2012 at 8:31 PM by jp Highlight this comment 26

I still laugh remembering Dark describe Roger Headrick as, "A Minnesota guy" on a Vikings post-game show. Headrick was from New Jersey and Dark came here from Ohio.

Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:22 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 27

Does anyone have additional information about the stupid "Stranded Singles" rule for buying tickets? Do they wave that requirement at a certain time before the game (like the day before or something)? I need to acquire 3 tickets for the Sat Cubs game. The section I want to sit in has 4 tickets available together, but i need to purchase all four in order to continue.

I understand this rule when tickets first go on sale but 6 days before the game is a little ridiculous.

Posted on June 3, 2012 at 11:54 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 28

Try getting 4 together ADA tickets anywhere for Sat Cubs game! And while your at the game Sat take a bit of time to look at who is sitting in those ADA seats. Sorry, still burns me how the Twins so badly mismanage those seats.

Posted on June 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 29

Did you try getting those when tickets first went on sale? or this week?

Posted on June 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 30

How long do you think Mauer's latest owie will keep him out of the line-up?

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 12:07 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 31

It appeared to be only one thumb, so at least it shouldn't be "bilateral".

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 07:00 AM by terry Highlight this comment 32

DRAFT NIGHT!!!!

It's awfully quiet around here considering it's the most important day of the year for our beloved MN Twins. Are we going BPA with Buxton, or the "safer" pick of one of the college pitchers Gausmann or Zimmer? Do they try to go under slot with a Zunino or Carrera so they can go over slot in the supplemental round?

These are your 2017 Twins that are entering the fold tonight, let's get it pumped up!!!

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM by jp Highlight this comment 33

My take is the Twins just need to draft the best available guy when their turn comes. The team is so bad and the minors so depleted that drafting purely for position is somewhat self defeating.

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 34

JP, these players drafted tonight might be our 2014 Twins the way things are going...

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 35

Jorge you are spot on. With the second pick you need to take the guy who has the best chance of being a superstar, and that is player is probably Bryan Buxton. Use the rest of the draft to stockpile arms and hope they develop.

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:47 PM by jp Highlight this comment 36

Drafting for a specific position always reminds me of the high first round pick the Vikings got when they traded Randy Moss to the Raiders. Does anyone remember Troy "Hands-of-Stone" Williamson? He is the poster child for the perils of being locked into drafting for a specific position.

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:25 PM by terry Highlight this comment 37

Twins got Buxton and I am excited about the kids upswing. Still very young and can put them out at Wrigley.

Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:36 PM by tk Highlight this comment 38

Is there any human activity that produces the number of cliches pro sports drafts produce? Some team is "on the clock" and then some athlete "falls to them" and that athlete has a "tremendous upside" and "all the tools". When the choice is made, the commissioner comes out and with the solemnnity and pomposity usually reserved for the coronation of royalty, solemnly announces "With the 911th pick in the 2012 [NFL] [NBA] [MLB] draft, the Moscow Mules select ...". The only thing missing last night was Mel Kiper's pompadour.

Posted on June 5, 2012 at 09:02 AM by terry Highlight this comment 39

The TwinsGeek describes draft picks as "black boxes" in that they are essentially unknowns at the time of the draft.

But reading all this coverage makes me think more of those reality shows where people get to bid on abandoned storage lockers full of who-knows-what. You can see just enough on the surface to make a few guesses and decide just how much to bid. But you really have no idea what might be in there.

And the chances of finding a superstar? About the same as finding diamond jewelry in the drawer of an abandoned bureau.

Posted on June 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM by Rick 40

Nice yahoo article on the Twin's first-round pick Byron Buxton. (linky!)

Sounds like he's got some amazing physical ability, and a humble attitude, too. Hope to see him at Target Field in a few years.

Posted on June 5, 2012 at 3:17 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 41

thought i read somewhere today that joe mauer sprained his vagina again. anyone with inside knowledge know for sure? or is it just dryness and occasional itching (that "not so fresh" feeling) that has got him down?

Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:39 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 42

Nice misogyny, Beta. You must be proud.

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 07:41 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 43

A hard-throwing CF, Buxton's the consensus best high school position player in the country. And my question is: Who the heck is playing shortstop for his high school team???

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 09:06 AM by BR Highlight this comment 44

Lighten up fiesta, if Mauer wants to act like a girl with every little injury, he can go hit against Jenny Finch.

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 45

good point Fiesta.

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 12:36 PM by terry Highlight this comment 46

Agreed. These jabs at Mauer having a vagina are getting old. Sure, he's clammed up when it comes to driving the ball. And he may be muffin at more pitches than usual when behind the plate. But twat player doesn't have streaks like that in his career? These insults are merely pussy-footing around the real issue.

Seriously. Grow up guys.

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 5:22 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 47

Thank you Truth....You just made me spit diet Dr. Pepper all over my monitor!!

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 6:35 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 48

lol TTH.

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 9:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 49

This board is finally on my level of humor.

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 50

7 of 9!

When can we check result of our predictions? I want to know how far off I was!

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 11:17 PM by tk Highlight this comment 51

Twins have a new pitcher - Mansihp.

Posted on June 6, 2012 at 11:23 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 52

Credit Steichen's for giving employment opportunities to dislexics

Posted on June 7, 2012 at 01:05 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 53

Flying out to see two of the worst teams in baseball play a weekend series. Hope the Twins embarrass the Cubs and not the other way around. At least I have the weather to look forward to ... oh ... wait ...

Posted on June 7, 2012 at 4:18 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 54

When Joe Mauer hurts his thumb, he cries like a liitle girl
when he cries like a little girl, he gets taken out of the lineup
When he gets taken out of the lineup, BPM regulars sigh and crack jokes
when BPM regulars sigh and crack jokes, Mauer gets a vagina
When Mauer gets a vagina, questions are asked,
And when questions are asked, Mauer goes to hit against Jenny Finch.

Dont let Joe Mauer hit against Jenny Finch, tell him to MAN UP and play ball! Oh, and get rid of cable and get DIRECTV...lol.

Posted on June 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 55

Groan...

Posted on June 7, 2012 at 6:09 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 56

wtf?

Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:20 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 57

Yeah, women are weak. Ha ha. (Watching a little too much Mad Men maybe.)

In the meantime, check out some stats on the badass HD security capabilities at Target Field.

If you were thinking about trying the old slip-and-fall-and-sue routine, you might want to think again. (True story: I did some work for Old Country Buffet a few years ago, and they expend a whole lot of resources defending against "I slipped on the Jell-O" claims. They almost always win.)

Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:45 PM by Rick 58

Did nobody see Jenny Finch pitching batting practice to major leaguers on TWiB a few years ago?

Nobody could get a bat on a ball. Literally. A couple of foul tips here and there, otherwise they were swinging at air.

I don't know what kind of pitch speed we're talking about, but it was an incredible display.

Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:51 PM by Rick 59

late night, tired and can't sleep thought: i am starting my own personal boycott of watching the twins until they retire those ugly 1980's "M" caps they have been wearing since memorial day weekend. in fact, hoping the lowly chicago cubs come in and sweep our boys just so they will finally throw them in the trash. man do i think those are ugly. the "M" logo is just so clownish and cheap looking to me.

good night.

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 01:32 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 60

RE: Jennie Finch. This is from her Wikipedia page (footnotes deleted):

This Week in Baseball signed Finch as a co-host. In a segment called the Jennie Challenge, Finch pitches to Major League Baseball players and often strikes them out. In softball, the mound is closer to home plate than baseball and Finch's pitches are the equivalent of a 98 mph pitch. "Some big-timers refuse to face her," Cal Ripken, Jr. says. "Many feel it could be embarrassing." In an interview with ESPN, Finch explained, "I was throwing them mostly rise balls and change-ups. They've never seen a pitch like that, you know? With the closer distance from the mound, I think it really surprises them how fast the pitch gets there. And especially with the rise -- when they're used to that over-the-top release point -- there is nothing else like it. The ball movement throws them off."

In the 2004 Pepsi All-Star Softball Game, Finch struck out Albert Pujols, Mike Piazza and Brian Giles. "I never touched a pitch," said Giles. "Her fastball was the fastest thing I've ever seen, from that distance. It rises and cuts at the same time."

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 09:09 AM by BR Highlight this comment 61

I guess Jenny Finch was a bad example, but she was the only softball player I know.

Rick it is not about Women being weak, but physically speaking they are, with some exceptions, the weaker gender. This isn't misogyny, it is fact. Long has it been an insult to challenge a male's masculinity by comparing him to a female, why are people all of the sudden offended?

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 62

It's probably not misogyny in a strict, "hatred of women" sense. But do you REALLY not understand why women might find this sort of "humor" offensive? If you really don't get it, how about going through childbirth a couple times and come back and tell us how easy it was. (Won't work for you? Then go pass a kidney stone the size of a marble instead, to get a similar experience.)

Women are weaker "with some exceptions," and that's just fact?? Wow. That sort of overgeneralization leads to stereotypes which, yeah, can be pretty offensive.

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 1:56 PM by BR Highlight this comment 63

Mauer out for day three...OMG

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 64

Are you saying that women are physically stronger than men?

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 2:59 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 65

Almost all women are physically stronger than me.

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 66

I've been watching some of the ncaa women's softball world series the last few weeks. Some of those pitchers are throwing 75mph, and I think they throw from around 40 feet.

And yikes, do they get movement on those pitches!

I doubt I could hit one if I used a tennis racket... ;-)

And let's not talk about kidney stones, that brings back painful memories for me...

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 67

That whole Finch thing was just a timing issue. Give those guys a few minutes in the cage from 60 feet at the speed Finch was pitching and it would be a different story. Not to mention the fact softball bats are less than half the weight of the wood bats the guys were using.

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 6:22 PM by ace Highlight this comment 68

Maybe I am in the minority here, but the Twins could wear whatever hats they want and I will keep watching. Yeah it'd be nice if they were a little less embarrassing at times, but I just love watching baseball. As for the other topic of recent conversation, you guys can rip on Mauer or Finch or anybody else, I'll just stay out of it. No matter how much baseball I watch, my little league and beer league softball experience will never give me the dillusion that I have the knowledge or experience to criticize people who have had more success this past year than I will ever have. Having said that, I would actually like to get back to bitching about the hats.

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM by Mjwarnke Highlight this comment 69

"Rick it is not about Women being weak, but physically speaking they are, with some exceptions, the weaker gender. This isn't misogyny, it is fact. Long has it been an insult to challenge a male's masculinity by comparing him to a female, why are people all of the sudden offended?"

Replace "female" with any monority group and maybe then you'll see why your comment provoked such opprobrium.

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 70

God i hope they replace the TC logo behind home plate with the "M".

double the size of the Indian casino billboards while they're at it.

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM by Rube Highlight this comment 71

Thank god I didn't boycott the twins because they wear a silly hat. Pretty entertaining game tonight

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 9:34 PM by Rube Highlight this comment 72

winning run at 3d in the bottom of the 9th with nobody out ... and he gets stranded. Any wonder why the Twins have lost 133 games in the last season and a third?

Posted on June 8, 2012 at 10:35 PM by terry Highlight this comment 73

Mike that is absurd.

I said "Physically speaking", meaning only strength wise. People on this board have either misread that or ignored that (intentionally or not). If someone was offended by the fact that a man is generally stronger than a woman, then you are an f'n idiot. It was not meant to downgrade females, and it did not denigrate females. I just stated a fact, men are, with a few exceptions, physically stronger than females. It is a natural thing, nothing to be offended by.

I am sorry some of the people here are hyper-sensitive.

Also, I would not consider women a minority group. Gender is neither a minority or majority. Hell, I am surprised someone here hasn't berated you for denigrating women by calling them a minority.

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 05:09 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 74

If there was no such thing as a "Josh Willingham," how many wins would the Twins have at this point in the season?

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 07:00 AM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 75

I think there are two who have posted the last couple days who may have inhaled too many face paint fumes.

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 07:33 AM by terry Highlight this comment 76

Who said women were a minority group? And just because something's been said,or a comparinson's been used since time immemorial, doeesn't mean that it's apt or acceptable. There are thousands of stereotypes about one group or another that have, unfortunately, managed to remain part of the vernacular. That doesn't mean that they're acceptable for use.

And calling people who disagree with you names doesn't help your case.

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 07:44 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 77

If the Twins replace the home plate TC logo with the M logo, I will boycott the team for the remainder of time and become a devout Braves fan.

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 78

Been away a couple days and Like is still an idiot.

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 4:22 PM by tk Highlight this comment 79

Whos the idiot tk...you even cant spell my name right...lol. 2-0

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 80

TTH: Without Willingham and Scott Diamond, the Twins might still be a single-digit win team.

This Diamond kid is pitching like he wants to stay in the majors for a while.

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 6:44 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 81

9 wins out of 11 games, let's stop pissing and moaning about this- that- and the lil things like what hats they wear and what logo is painted behind home plate... how about we just jump back on board and be thankful our boys are winning baseball games again. Geez, the drama queens on this site..

Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM by jcm-baseball Highlight this comment 82

Hey maybe if they keep changing things to the way they used to be when they were winning, (Well, I guess they forgot they also wore the "M" during the mid and late 90's) they may remember they went to the playoffs in the first year at Target Field and put the trees (Hopefully taller ones) back in.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 06:54 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 83

replying to rube & post #71: just to be clear. i do sincerely DISLIKE the indian tribes in this state and the way they "do business". i have no problem stating that fact. have done so publicly, as well. i don't care if it is considered by some to be politically incorrect or even forbid "racist" in their opinion.

just how i feel about these supposedly "sovereign" indian tribes and their dirty casino lobbyists who interfere in what is supposed to be the completely separate and sovereign business of the actual citizens of the state of minnesota and our government. and also working (i.e. paying off lame politicians) to stop all forms of real marketplace competition.

to the bleeding hearts out there. it is just as racist on the indian's part to handsomely pay-off corrupt politicians to keep in place a system that favors one race (indians) over every single other race when it comes to casino gambling operations in this state.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 84

Just an fyi: Cowboy Jack's has a "We're Open" sign in the window. They were still doing some minor work this a.m., though...

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM by BR Highlight this comment 85

Beta:
You can only cover up so much by using quotation marks. Tribes ARE sovereign nations - that's just how the law works. Sorry if you don't like it. As for their lobbying efforts, do you think they're the only ones using high-priced lobbyists?? Heck, that's the American way!

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM by BR Highlight this comment 86

And one more thing: Native Americans have essentially dual citizenship. Membership in a tribe deos not disqualify them from being American citizens. To suggest that they are "interfering" with the "completely separate" business interests of "actual citizens" is - at best - Bachmannesque in its stupidity.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM by BR Highlight this comment 87

Well put BR!

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:37 PM by terry Highlight this comment 88

Here is a good Target Field review from this past weekend by a Cubs fan.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/6/10/3075498/target-field-tour-minnesota-twins-news

Overall, a nice review, but please drop the whole retractable roof idea! We don't want a roof and Twins fans have moved on from that. It's really not that much colder in Minneapolis than it is in Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Denver to name a few.

Will be interesting how the Phillies fans like Target Field.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 3:08 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 89

Heh...Phillies fans will find anything to bitch about.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 5:23 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 90

And given this forum, so will Twins fans.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:04 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 91

Caps, disappearing trees, mowing patterns, etc., etc., etc.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:04 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 92

Lol Kevin...

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:12 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 93

I still wish they had a retractable roof. I know many fans that have not moved on, they probably never will.

Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:31 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 94

Many of you probably saw this - prior to that crazy game on Fri vs the Cubs, they trotted out the Budweiser Clydesdales for a lap around the warning track (with plywood strategically placed at the corners to eliminate any possibility of horse stepping on grass). Anyway, they had to raise the "grandstand door" in left to fit all that beer through. I hadn't seen that used before:


Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:31 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 95

^^ Did they hand out free samples??

Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM by BR Highlight this comment 96

Sadly, no. The only thing they would have given away was what that go-cart with the orange bucket, trailing behind the horses about 20 yds or so, was there to collect.

Posted on June 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 97

Whenever I see a concert scheduled for a ballpark, this is what I fear. Grounds crew tweeting that we should appreciate seeing the field this good, as pro, HS and college ball plus concert will take their toll.

Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:06 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 98

The Phillies' right fielder's parents really named him Hunter Pence? Seriously?!

Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:11 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 99

There are 3 high school games being played there - a MLB grounds crew can't handle that?

Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM by ole Highlight this comment 100

Who is this team I'm watching beat up on the Phillies? Where have they been all year??

Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:22 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 101

The Twins hired replacements to play against the Phillies...lol

Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:06 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 102

Two guys behind me tonight spent several minutes wondering out loud what a called strikeout is - finally someone nearby explained things to them. Then they started in on the big square of lighter green grass in right field. After about three minutes they decided the best answer was that it was there so the fielder would know where to stand. And no --- I'm not making this up.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 12:09 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 103

Glad to see the site back up, was nervous earlier when I received a message from Jared asking if I was having issues accessing the site.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM by tk Highlight this comment 104

My web hosting company makes me actually log in once a year -- perhaps to guarantee that I'm still a living and breathing human. I don't really know why.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM by Rick 105

Very disturbing sight last night watching that Twins fan throw the Jim Thome home run ball back on to the field....future hall of famer with over 600 career home runs. That HR ball very well could be one of the last HR's that Jim Thome will ever hit. That fan should be ashamed of themselves because Jim Thome is an all around class-act and a future hall of famer.

Target Field is NOT Wrigley Field, enough said.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:11 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 106

Mike, I am baffled by such a feat. I commend the Twins fans who gave Thome a standing ovation as he rounded the bases. Such class!

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:36 AM by tk Highlight this comment 107

Besides that the douche bag gave up a chance to meet Thome and get his autograph, since he wants his home runs balls.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 12:02 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 108

I don't get the whole throwing the ball back bit. Ok, if it's a rival team and a hated opponent (White Sox/Pierzynski), an important game, I get that. But the Phillies and Thome, a guy we loved just last year?? Potential HoFer? How many HRs does the fan think he's going to catch? Stupid move, imo, especially since it was likely egged on by peer pressure of nearby fans jealous that they didn't catch it!

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM by BR Highlight this comment 109

"Egged on by peer pressure of nearby fans jealous that they didn't catch it".

Absolutely right. I've always thought that. The guy who has nothing to lose tells the guy who does to throw it back.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM by terry Highlight this comment 110

Complaining about throwing a ball back. Please. The man paid for his ticket just like everyone else. He can do whatever he wants with the ball - who cares!

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 1:04 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 111

Throwing the ball back is bush leaugue. Give it to a kid on the condition he keeps it. Or just suck it up and say screw you to the buffoons screaming throw it back. They should start to levy fines on anybody that throws stuff on the field. This would end this stupid tradition in a heartbeat. Stupid tradition started by hapless Cub fans!

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM by twinkfan Highlight this comment 112

I was only about five feet from that guy when he threw it back. I was like "noooooooooo". He was pretty proud of himself though.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 1:57 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 113

Did anyone see what Span did with it? I'm assuming he threw it into the bullpen for the Phillies to give to Thome. I'm guessing he knew better than to throw it back in the crowd which is what usually happens.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 1:58 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 114

There is no question that there is policy in regard to throwing anything on the field of play. Why not enforce it?

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 115

With all the Cubs fans in attendance last week, I was half-expecting a Twins home run to get thrown back.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 116

I am working on a new forecasting system. Tonight's gametime forecast looks like this:

0% chance of heat strokes or picnics below the stars. 90% chance for massive puddle stomping. 30% chance for dancing to natures strobe lights.

How's that for a forecast?

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 3:59 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 117

Here is a Tweet from DSP that essentially "approves" the action that took place last night.

Dave St. Peter
‏@TwinsPrez 18 May Follow Following Unfollow Blocked Unblock Pending Cancel We do not eject those fans at Target Field RT @cheis1973: do people that throw back the opposing teams' HR balls get ejected?

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM by tk Highlight this comment 118

Jared, was just going to message you about tonight's weather...

The NOAA radar looks pretty bare when this system moves off, when/where is the storm going to start developing for the game?

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM by tk Highlight this comment 119

I would have thrown the ball back too. Thome was just a hand-me-down that only wanted to play until he got his precious 600th homer...then he found his old neighborhood chums to play with. Guess he got bored with them too.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 120

Wow Luke, thought I already saw the most idiotic thing for you to type/think...this tips it.

Hell, if I was that close, I would be doing the same thing.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 6:01 PM by tk Highlight this comment 121

TK, there is still a nice boundary waiting in the west wing, ready to sweep through and create havoc. Havoc being tornado potential and hail. Will the atmosphere have enough left over for it? I would say so. Should be an interesting night.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 6:43 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 122

LaPanta said on KFAN that due to Trevor's recent power surge that with Plouffe hitting seventh and Doumit sixth that the Twins now have a "dangerous lineup."

I can't even make this stuff up.
TTH

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 6:55 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 123

hellooooo! ok what did i miss?

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 124

I see Luke is still Luke

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 125

I can't believe they could not find that Thome home run ball in the flowers! They were still searching for it after the game.

Call it karma, but after that Twins fan threw the Thome home run ball back last night, its kind of funny he hit a homerun into the flowers tonight that no one could find.

Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 126

Demand based pricing = $11 field view season tickets are $36 for the Brewers if you buy them through the Twins now.

Posted on June 15, 2012 at 1:34 PM by gogotwins Highlight this comment 127

Once the Brewers series is over, I can't imagine ticket demand being very high the rest of the season. I thought the attendance for the Philadelphia series was very disappointing.

The next three weekend series' at home are KC, Oakland and Cleveland. And there is only one weekend home series in August (Tampa Bay, Aug 10-12). The schedule is absolutely terrible this year. Hopefully it will not be as unbalanced next year when the schedule format is changed up as a result of Houston moving to the AL West.

We all know attendance starts to decline around mid-August with an even bigger decline after Labor Day.

The Cubs and Brewers series' were by far the highest demand games of the year.

Posted on June 15, 2012 at 2:14 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 128

Lol maz. Good to see you. Yeah these guys just cant take a joke...no sense of humor whatsoever.

Posted on June 15, 2012 at 7:06 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 129

it would be funny if you weren't serious

Posted on June 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM by tk Highlight this comment 130

Matt Capps. My facial tick is back. If he had glasses, he'd be Ron Davis.

Posted on June 15, 2012 at 10:22 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 131

What's going to be the excuse from Gardy and Anderson for this latest display of closing ineptitude?

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 07:31 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 132

9 runners left on base had a lot to do with the loss as well.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 08:08 AM by terry Highlight this comment 133

I want to know what Capps ERA is when he comes onto a tie game. Gardy can only use him in save situations; usually he does pretty well. But when he comes into a tie game, he's awful.

On a more positive note - Trevor Plouffe! Locked in beyond belief right now. Even his outs are loud.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 08:16 AM by ole Highlight this comment 134

Ole, 2.12 ERA since 2010 in non-save situations.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM by tk Highlight this comment 135

tk - HTH do you know whether I was being serious or humorous? you don't know me from Brian H Warner...lol. My comment about Thome was a little of both actually. He did just what I said he did - played here only so he could get his milestone homer - then what? He did just what I said, went back to Cleveland to play with his old high-school chums.

I could say the same about KG...he played here for a while - didn't get anything done - took his ball and went stomping off to the 'hood in Boston. Yes, he DID get a ring there, just ONE in all the time he's been there. If he had stuck it out here, it MIGHT have happened here, but no, he wanted to be a baby about it.

Rant over.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM by luke Highlight this comment 136

I see Mauer has sore a vagina.. I mean hamstring. Time to give up being a catcher and start playing another position. What an overpaid wimp!

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM by Blurch Highlight this comment 137

"M" caps are retired. Temporarily, not sure?

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 3:08 PM by TK Highlight this comment 138

Yeah Luke, players come to Minnesota in droves for the sole purpose of getting their milestone homers. Ya know, since Target Field is known for giving them up left and right and all. I mean just look at all the big names that have come here from other teams over the years.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard in the past couple weeks. The Garnett example was pretty awful too.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 3:12 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 139

Good to know the M caps are gone.
Jared, the comment does have a little merit, doesnt it? I am not just talking about homers...remember, TF doesnt give up homers. Think of the big names we have had here...Marbury, Gugliotta, FAVRE for Gods sake. They get their shit done, and move on. I would defy ANYONE to prove the comment anything less than true.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 140

Luke, I don't believe your statements carry much merit ever really. The fact that you think Tom Gugliotta was a "Big name" seals that in my mind. And until you come to the table with more factual arguments than this libel:

Thome was just a hand-me-down that only wanted to play until he got his precious 600th homer...then he found his old neighborhood chums to play with. Guess he got bored with them too

There is no need to try to defy you. What I will say is that big name players hardly come to MN for title chances let alone home run milestones only as you alluded to being Thome's only motive. Especially, for a guy like Thome.

I did have a nice write up that totally defied you, but I decided it wasn't worth it.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 6:50 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 141

Well I guess I am just a little bitter about how the whole Thome thing went down...the fact that he was only here for a season or two then gets sent BACK to where we got him from, just made it look exactly the way I described.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 142

That's a more reasonable statement...except... Where did WE get him from? Where did we SEND him?

We picked up Thome from the Dodgers after the 2009 season, who got him from the White Sox in the 2009 season, who got him from the Phillies after the 2005 season. We had him for 1 total season and most of a second season, then SENT him to Cleveland, who then let him go to the Phillies before the start of this season. I looked up the correct seasons but you don't have to do that kind of research to know we didn't send him to the team we got him from.

This is why your statements have no apparent merit. You either don't know what you are talking about or just don't do the research to support that your feelings/emotions are justified.

Posted on June 16, 2012 at 10:09 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 143

For most of us, the first person to take us out in the backyard and play catch and teach us to swing a bat was our father. Happy Father's Day to all.

Posted on June 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM by terry Highlight this comment 144

Thank god I got my stadium cash. I will be busy designing my publicly funded palace now. If I had to sit around watching this crappy Twins team night after night and actually trying to write about them, I would die.

Posted on June 17, 2012 at 11:45 AM by Piggy Wilf Highlight this comment 145

It's not too often I blame the manager for a loss, but if the Twins lose this game, I put it on Gardy. Taking Mauer out in the 7th inning of tie game, when he's actually hitting with RISP?? Why??? For a possible run that would put the Twins up by two instead of one? And of course who bats in the 9th with a chance to win? BUTERA!!! ugh

Posted on June 17, 2012 at 4:30 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 146

Antifire, according to the strib he was taken out due to an injured quad...I mean....vagina....

Posted on June 17, 2012 at 4:42 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 147

Can't we just say "Owie" and avoid any more debate over PC semantics?

Posted on June 17, 2012 at 6:55 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 148

no

Posted on June 17, 2012 at 7:00 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 149

We could just stop worrying about being PC.

Posted on June 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 150

You're right;It does tend to get in the way of the "wit" on this site.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 05:20 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 151

Mauer's injury yesterday did not have the mysteriousness or the bad PR department lingo of last year's "bilateral leg weakness". He took a hard - and possibly cheap - hit. He stayed in the game for a couple innings after taking that hit and he drove in the tying run before leaving the game. And can we please dispense with all the gynecological metaphors? They are infantile, unfunny, unclever and really old.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM by terry Highlight this comment 152

Here is a link to ESPN's best MLB ballpark voting bracket...Everyone should check it out and vote for Target Field. Not a tough matchup in the first round going against Oakland Coliseum.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 153

Thanks for the link Mike. Its unfortunate Marlins Park got more votes than it should have in their section of the bracket. Same for Miller Park.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 154

While there have been many references to Mauer's "vagina", I don't believe anyone here has called him a pussy yet.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 155

The Voter's guide and write-ups for each pairing lacked any objectivity whatsoever. What a waste of time.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 156

Starting the trek to Pittsburgh tomorrow morning. This will bent spouse and my first trip to where we will be flying. Looking forward to checking out PNC and attempting the Triple Atomic wing challenge. I will likely recap my experience, but not the best reviewet/critique.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 6:37 PM by tk Highlight this comment 157

Have fun, tk. PNC Park, the only park in MLB that holds a candle to TF. Beautiful park, beautiful setting (there, you have a nice view of the Clemente and the Alegheny. Here, the back side of Ramp B...lol). You could call it the TF of the NL...lol.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 7:26 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 158

Luke's right. I can't think of any other ballpark in MLB that can compare to TF. Not one. Oh wait. San Francisco. OK, so two. And well maybe if we're liberal then Colorado, St. Louis, Kansas City, NYS, Oriole Park, Citizen's Bank and SafeCo. So maybe 9 then.

Posted on June 18, 2012 at 11:52 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 159

When did Luke find the time to visit all 30 parks?

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 05:24 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 160

Random question for you: How many major league ballparks have you been to that no longer exist?

For me, 5: Old Yankee Stadium, Veteran's Stadium, Baltimore's Memorial Stadium, Riverfront Stadium, and Tiger Stadium.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 09:32 AM by BR Highlight this comment 161

2. Old Busch, and Mile High Stadium. Boo ya.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 09:44 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 162

Five extinct ballparks for me:

Met Stadium, Kingdome, Milwaukee County Stadium, Mile High, Old Busch (Busch II)

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 163

Met Stadium, Comiskey, Yankee, Shea, Milw Co.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 10:34 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 164

R.A. Dickey, 11-1, 2.00 ERA, two 1 hitters in a row.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 11:01 AM by trebor651 Highlight this comment 165

Linked is an interesting article with some insight on how the Twins are utilizing Twitter for events like the "Deckstravaganza".

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 166

Met, Vet, Comiskey, Milwaukee County, Shea, Yankee, Tiger, Arlington, Riverfront, Memorial (Balt), Cleveland Municipal and KC Municipal.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 167

The Met, Comiskey, Milwaukee County, Busch, post-1976 Yankee Stadium, Jarry Parc (still there but converted to a tennis stadium), Tiger Stadium, Riverfront. And looking forward to adding the Dome to this list once it becomes extinct.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 1:18 PM by terry Highlight this comment 168

PNC is just as good as advertised. Been here 10 minutes. #TwinsPittStop

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM by tk Highlight this comment 169

What's the WORST major league ballpark you've been to? For me, it's Tropicana Field circa 2005 (before the rays tank and other minor improvements). Nondescript area, no ambience, dreadful aesthetics, and a roof w/catwalks that are in play. Just awful and yes, worse than the Dome.

For non-dome parks, probably the Vet. Cookie cutter all-purpose stadium. Some of the bleacher seats seemed 500 feet up and a mile away. It always seemed 100 degrees in there, too. (And the fans were over-the-top obnoxious.) They did have good soft pretzels, though, which you could get for a discount on the way out after the game.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:18 PM by BR Highlight this comment 170

hmm, worse non-dome I've been to, probably Oakland.

On another note, has anyone ever tried the natural casing hotdogs at TF?

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 4:43 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 171

Ok TTH. I can give you St Louis as a wild card. It does have a beautiful skyline view. And of course Kauffman. SEATTLE? no. It was cool 13 years ago. Colorado? Again no. Place seats 50,000 and is way too big (isnt it like 420 to center?).

NYS...no. the new one does an injustice to OYS. NYS is like Cowboys Stadium without the roof. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt PNC a large influence in the overall design and look of TF? Thats why I said what I did. None of the aforementioned parks were an influence in the design of TF...we wanted small and cozy, not large and bulky.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:24 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 172

Worst non-dome? Riverfront. A cookie-cutter. A park named "Riverfront" from which you could not see the river.

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:25 PM by terry Highlight this comment 173

Dave, yes, I have. They are fairly tasty IMO. But to each his own. I like natural casing dogs as a general rule...lol

Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:26 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 174

Here's my list of former stadia: Cleveland Municipal, Riverfront, Veterans, Milwaukee County, and Olympic Stadium. And, of course, the Metrodome.

Posted on June 20, 2012 at 08:08 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 175

You best bet is the Holiday dogs! 2 fer $2.22. Brats Polish, Dogs! Can't go wrong. Bigger dogs better tasting also. Pick em up before the game and bring em on in. I did see guy bring in a dominos pizza last week also. Why not?

Posted on June 20, 2012 at 11:48 AM by twinkfan Highlight this comment 176

Linked is TK's twitter account. He has been tweeting pics during the game yesterday and during their tour of PNC today.

Posted on June 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 177

Exhibition Stadium in Toronto stands as the worst of the parks I've attended. A large football grandstand was partially used in left field and then stretched far beyond the centerfield fence into nowhere. The baseball grandstand had decent sightlines, but also had mostly aluminum benches with backs and stretched beyond the rightfield pole in order to create more football seating. The odd compromise between football and baseball didn't work.

In second place the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum gets credit for enthusiastic fans, but the sightlines in the baseball grandstand are horrible. Even before the outfield football grandstand spoiled the view of the hills, no one could reasonably call this a decent ballpark when what should be the best seats are so ridiculously far from the action.

Posted on June 20, 2012 at 4:42 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 178

Past ballparks ive been to Met stadium and the Metrodome. Worst park ive been too is the Metrodome. Putting a roof on A stadium specially for baseball should be a crime.

Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:04 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 179

Agreed Leroy - I wish I had more ballparks on my passport than just the Humpty and TF...lol.

Posted on June 20, 2012 at 8:47 PM by luke Highlight this comment 180

...And yet you proclaim Target Field the ne plus ultra in major league ballparks.

Posted on June 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 181

It looks like Target Field will be defeated by Camden Yards in ESPN's Best Ballpark bracket...however, how in the world is Miller Park beating PNC Park? It's more of a fan contest than anything because there is no way Miller Park is better than PNC Park. Brewers fans are probably using some type of BOT to drive up the vote numbers or else Brewers fans simply have no life and are sitting at their computers all day voting.

Sure, the atmosphere might be better at Miller Park, but PNC Park is a top 3 ballpark in baseball. There should be no domed/retractable roof stadium in the Elite 8 in my mind, that includes Safeco Field.

I know its essentially a fan popularity contest, but its still funny looking at the results/criteria as to what makes the best ballpark.

Posted on June 21, 2012 at 08:15 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 182

Gone but not forgotten parks for me:
County, Candlestick, Tiger Stadium, Metrodome. County was not a bad place to watch a game and was blue collar just like Milwukee. Candlestick was cold and soggy; went to a night game there and the temp went down about 30 degrees once the sun went down and the wind strted. Old Tiger was cool; sat in the upper deck behind home plate overhang. Best seats; felt like you were right on top of home plate!

Posted on June 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM by ole Highlight this comment 183

Met Stadium, Metrodome, Kauffman Stadium (Pre-remodelling), Milwaukee County Stadium, Wrigley Field, Mile High Stadium, Network Associates Coliseum, Pac Bell Park, Dodger Stadium, Target Field, New Busch Stadium.

The Met used to serve a steak sandwich that was out of this world. The ssausages at Kauffman Stadium were smothered in about a pound of grilled onions and peppers. The Gates BBQ is also highly recommended. County Stadium had the best brats (Get 'em with the red sauce; you won't regret it). Mile High served one heck of a polish sausage; the best I've had. The dogs at Wrigley could be topped at a condiment bar that had all kinds of things you can't find at other parks. Great sausages in Oakland, but the garlic aroma is what really made me hungry. I found out at Pac Bell that the garlic aroma came from the garlic fries, so that scratched an itch. I liked the Dodger Dogs; maybe it was because they were grilled. A Kramarczyk's(SP?) sausage and a Killebrew root beer at Target Field really hit the spot. The fare in St. Louis was unremarkable.

Posted on June 21, 2012 at 7:38 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 184

My Extinct ballparks:

Metropolitan Stadium
The Metrodome
Comiskey Park
Milwaukee County Stadium
Yankee Stadium
Shea Stadium
Exhibition Stadium
Candlestick Park

Posted on June 21, 2012 at 11:01 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 185

I've been to Camden about 5 times. I can see why it would beat TF: better city location (on the Inner Harbor beats the Rapid Park lot) and a more remarkable signature feature (the warehouse). I also like the plaza in front of the Warehouse a bit more than TF's, although I think the Twins did well given significantly greater space limitations. I've never been in the club/suite areas of Camden, so I don;t know how they compare.

I like TF a bit more overall - a little more eclectic and varied in its design and seating options - but it's close. I think the ball parks are comparable in many ways.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 09:02 AM by BR Highlight this comment 186

I agree with comments about Oakland's O.Co Stadium. The empty upper decks and Mount Davis give it a "ball game doesn't belong here" vibe.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 09:06 AM by BR Highlight this comment 187

Yahoo has added 'run differential' to their standings page.

Guess who has the worst in all the major leagues? Yup, the Twins...

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 09:54 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 188

So true BR. I've got plenty of complaints about the Coliseum (I'm not going to post "O.co Coliseum" because by the time I hit 'post,' they'll have changed the name again. The concourses are too narrow and too dark, and the afore-mentioned Mt. Davis is nothing short of an eyesore. But as far as sightlines go, if you sit further down toward the foul poles, you're actually sitting as close to the field as you would in comparable locations in other parks. I would assume that sitting behind the dugouts and just beyond would be the lousiest seats in the park.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:23 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 189

I attended a game at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum in September of 2009 and made sure to get seats behind the plate to ensure we'd be fairly close to the field. I took some time to seat hop a bit and try some different views and it's amazing how far away the seats on the baselines are.

That team needs a new ballpark desperately, but the political climate in the Bay Area isn't very conducive to getting something done. Oakland would love a downtown ballpark, but hasn't the money to get it done and the state is also in no position to help. The A's are eyeing San Jose, but the Giants object, so the saga wears on.

I've linked a long running blog devoted to the A's ongoing quest for a new stadium. It's worth a look.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:44 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 190

Hey all, I've been away. Saw a College World Series game at TD Ameritrade park in Omaha. It's great, but, um, it could be TF's kid brother.

In fact, it could be TF's underdeveloped-in-the-womb identical twin brother. Weird to walk into a place and feel immediately like you've been there, done that. (I'll write a full report with some of the pix I took, of course.)

Miller Park? Yikes. That little ESPN experiment (which I'm sure drove a lot of page views and netted a nice chunk of advertising revenue) would be more credible if the Oakland Coliseum topped that list.

Wait a minute. I liked the Coliseum. OK, not top ten liked or anything, and it needs to be replaced, but...

As a pure baseball place, I liked the Coliseum way more than I liked Miller. (TD Ameritrade, especially for a CWS game with no advertising whatsoever, could beat the crap out of both of them. And maybe TF too.)

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:25 PM by Rick 191

Rick -- I attended the CWS last year and had the exact same thoughts. It even has the same obstructed view seats (click name for story).

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM by Raging Peasants Highlight this comment 192

Ahhh, Rick I'm jealous! CWS was the highlight of the summer each of the 6 years I lived in Omaha. Will look forward to the pictures. I haven't been to the new park yet - I'm sure what it lacks in nostalgia compared to Rosenblatt is amply compensated by its location.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:02 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 193

I saw Rosenblatt from the outside. They had it open for people to get a last look (it will be torn down soon to make room for an expansion of the zoo), but a sudden rainstorm came up and the ushers closed it down before we could get inside.

Expectorate, do you have any old pictures I could use for my write-up?

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:25 PM by Rick 194

Rick - I think so, I'll do some digging. They'd be prints in a shoe box somewhere instead of files on my laptop, but if I have any I'll scan & e-mail....

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:46 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 195

It's an odd thing. For years the Omaha AAA team and the College World Series shared Rosenblatt Stadium. When the need for a new stadium came up, the two groups went in separate directions in large part because the CWS needs a large seating capacity that the minor league team doesn't. So Omaha has two brand new smallish ballparks.

TD Ameritrade Stadium is downtown, cost $128,000,000 and holds 24,000 for the CWS, Creighton baseball, and a minor league football team. This essentially means it exists for about a two week window per year, because Creighton play there because they can, not because they need to and interest in the UFL football team is very low. The Pacific Coast League's Omaha Storm Chasers (formerly Royals) play in the suburbs at Werner Field which cost $36,000,000 and holds about 9,000 for a 68 game home schedule.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 196

("Werner Field" apparently recently became "Werner Park" -- or vice versa, I can't tell.)

Yes, the story of ballparks in Omaha is quite an interesting one, and I really don't understand it all.

After just a little bit of reading, it looks like the Storm Chasers didn't need the capacity. Playing in a 22K facility while drawing only 7K fans is certainly not the ideal.

And whatever revenue comes in from the CWS appears to cover all of the financing of the downtown ballpark, though it leaves the park empty for long stretches.

While I was there, the old characterization of Minneapolis without professional sports as a "cold Omaha" kept running through my head. I gotta say, it was a pretty sleepy little town, with a feel more like St. Cloud (if it had a couple of tall buildings) than even St. Paul.

All the life seemed concentrated in the Old Market (which is kind of like the warehouse district of downtown Minneapolis). But even that was hardly hopping when we were there...

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:52 PM by Rick 197

Just rereading and realizing that might sound like a criticism. It's not. Omaha was a very nice place.

It's just that I expected something a little more "metropolitan" than what I experienced.

As Vic said when we got back, "OK, now I've seen Omaha. We don't have to go there again."

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM by Rick 198

By the way, the most hopping place in the Old Market was, by far, Ted and Wally's Ice Cream (churned each day on the spot). It was OK, but Sebastian Joe's is miles better (and significantly more creative).

Nicollet Pothole, anyone?

(Among other local Omaha institutions, we also hit California Taco.)

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:01 PM by Rick 199

It is an unusual situation - those two stadiums opened literally within days of each other.

TD Ameritrade does exist solely for this two week period, but it's a period which has put up to $500 million back into the Omaha economy over 10-15 years, depending on which estimates you believe. The success of the CWS has played a huge role in attracting other "mid-level" events, like the US Olympic swim trials (which start almost immediately following the CWS), NCAA basketball regionals, NCAA volleyball championships, etc. Rosenblatt was nostalgic but aging, despite almost yearly renovation/expansion, and Omaha could not afford to lose the CWS. It would render the city even "sleepier" than Rick's initial experience. No offense taken, Rick. :)

Meanwhile, the Omaha Royals (for one year, the "Golden Spikes"), due in no small part to their major league affiliate's lack of success, were drawing about 3000 per game (I never saw 7,000 there) and tired of playing in a mostly-empty stadium. When the new CWS stadium was proposed, Royals ownership offered to contribute but wanted 12,000 of the seats to be removable. The NCAA said "no," so off they went to the suburbs to build their own place.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:14 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 200

BR, much like the Humpty Dump. "The empty upper deck", the Hefty Bag, the ROOF, AstroTurf, yes like O.Co, the Dump had a "baseball doesn't belong here" vibe also.

I can't wait until we firebomb that place in November 2014 to make room for the other half of US Bank Stadium. And when we do, I will have a 10th floor office view of it too! My office faces the Dumpty.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 201

Rick,

I'm headed to Omaha on Sunday for Game 1 of the finals. It will be my first look at the new ballpark after having been down for the last year at Rosenblatt. Where did you stay? I'm looking at hotels in the $150-$300 range (they are striking when the iron's hot with the US Swimming/Diving Olympic Trials in town too). Lots of scalpers outside the park? I don't have tickets yet, but there were plenty of people looking to move seats when I was there in 2010. How was California Tacos? That was on my list for lunch...

Luke: As Winona Mike inferred, you are unqualified to COMMENT on anything related to ballpark rankings when you have only been to 2 of them. Thanks much, The Mgmt.

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM by Max Highlight this comment 202

Max,

We stayed at a B&B called the Cornerstone Mansion. It might be within your price range because the owners only raise prices a small amount for the CWS (compared to all the big hotels downtown, which are all owned by the same cartel -- literally). Just be sure to get a room with a shower. (Ours had only a bathtub. Bleh.)

Plenty of brokers on the sidewalks around the ballpark. I heard that tickets were going for roughly face value, though everything looked very expensive on Stubhub. (Could have been the game we went to, or the fact that it was an early round.)

Cali Taco was certainly memorable:


It's a little bit like White Castle in that it's not exactly haute cuisine, but it's very distinctive. My hunch is that people either love it or hate it. (My meal of a steak Cali Taco -- on the left, with a deep-fried shell -- was pretty yummy. Your mileage may vary.)

Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:49 PM by Rick 203

My first visit to Miller Park was this year for the Twins Saturday game. I thought the park was great, not #1 great, but very nice. My only complaint would be our ADA seats in the moat behind home plate were not elevated, so whenever fans stood I had the good old butt view. But most all the other ADA seating was elevated. I also was kind of disappointed in the brat, was hoping for that outdoor grill taste and got the standard convenience store type fare.

Is Camden the only ballpark that actually outdoor grills stuff rather than griddle frying and warmer rollers? That was my best memory of Camden Yards, all the smoke and smell of the grilling going on along the warehouse.

Posted on June 23, 2012 at 03:01 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 204

Years ago they sold a grilled "Smokey" at Wrigley Field from individual grill/carts. They were fabulous and if you've ever seen Bill Murray's hilarious stint filling in for Harry Caray, he mentioned them. The smoke and aroma filled the concourse.

Posted on June 23, 2012 at 08:46 AM by terry Highlight this comment 205

Maybe, maybe not Max. I am going Tuesday nite to TF after work to the game, going to sit in Overlook for the first time. Quite excited.

Oh yes, I forgot about old Busch.

Posted on June 23, 2012 at 1:43 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 206

Was at Great American Ballpark today, poor effort by our team, but nice stadium. Had too many beers to offer a full review but seemed good. Very nice people too, I dare say friendly than in Minnesota. A lot of Twins fans were present, was first row in what would be equivalent to the seats above the Ford signs down the line (At Target Field). Came close to a few balls, but they veered away due to the angle of the ball.

Made a long term bet that Cueto will not be in the Reds starting rotation in 2014, any thoughts?

Posted on June 24, 2012 at 12:25 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 207

Can anyone fathom that Miller Park beat out PNC, Camden and AT&T in the finals to win "best ballpark in baseball" on ESPN?!?!
I've been to Miller several times, it's a good time and all.. with tailgating, (mostly) friendly fans, and a good rivalry with the Twins, but the ballpark itself in my opinion, is no better than Chase Field, which I've visited an equally number of times.

In my humble opinion (which is shared by a majority) the top 4 are PNC Park, AT&T Park, Camden Yards and Target Field, and not necessary in that order, just top 4.

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 02:47 AM by jcm-baseball Highlight this comment 208

jcm - it was a big scam by Brewers fans as they were "upset" by their 24th seed ranking so they essentially had a social media campaign to rally and vote for Miller Park in huge numbers.

It's like Wisconsin fans have nothing better to worry about....

It's funny how they get so mad over an online ranking/vote, sure the 24th ranking could have been higher, but its not like Miller Park is a top-5 stadium. Maybe as high as #8 or 9 on my list, but definitely not in the top 5. Most people know what the top 5-7 ballparks are.

Any fan can vote for their ballparks and rank them as they desire, so who cares what someone on ESPN.com does...that's why there are blogs and those things. Compile your own rankings if you are not pleased with Jim Caple's. It is amazing what the power of social media can do these days though.

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 07:47 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 209

anyone know if there is a good way to go about trying to score one of the 1951 minneapolis miller uniforms that the twins are going to be sporting this week when they play against kansas city?

will they be selling the jerseys in the twins pro shops?

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:16 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 210

Don't know how I missed this (well, actually, I do: it was suppressed by all of the sports-related media until now), but a class action lawsuit was filed in New York about six weeks ago demanding that MLB scrap its TV blackout restrictions.

Jeff Passan at Yahoo finally brought the suit out into the light over the weekend (wonder how long he'll have a job...):

MLB’s blackout problem keeps sport in dark ages

As you know, this is a big grievance of mine toward MLB. Just let me watch the damn games already... (I'll happily give you some of my money for the privilege.)

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:13 PM by Rick 211

The best quote from that article:

Whether legal or illegal, baseball's tack with blackouts is appalling. Rather than push its sport on a population that wants it, the league pimps a cable company. Rather than allow the game to seed itself among a younger generation, MLB turns away fans to protect partnerships with the sorts of corporations that will fleece fans any chance they get. RSNs pay stupid money for rights, cable companies balk at making customers' bills even more usurious and fans end up with no outlet to see their favorite teams and an empty screen on their TVs and computers.

These aren't just blackouts. They're blackmail.

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:26 PM by Rick 212

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:29 PM by Rick 213

I'll be heading down to the ballpark shortly. Anyone else? (If so, where will you be?)

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:06 PM by Rick 214

Heading down shortly as well, but traveling from St. Cloud, We'll be in 124 tonight.

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM by tk Highlight this comment 215

Ebbets Field Flannels sells a 1951 Minneapolis Millers road jersey with Willie Mays's number (28) on back. I have one in my closet and it's a beaut.

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:44 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 216

There's also a 1951 Millers home jersey, Millers 1959 road jersey, and a couple St. Paul Saints jerseys available from EFF as well. They all sell for $195.

Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 217

The Majestic pro shop has some Millers jerseys for $230, hats, and Millers branded jackets and t-shirts.

Posted on June 26, 2012 at 05:40 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 218

New renderings are up for The Interchange next to Target Field. Click my name to check them out. I wonder if the Twins will use the new plaza on games days.

Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 219

Wouldn't MLB's anti-trust exemption status pretty much stop the Garber lawsuit cold? MLB needs to sort out its internet issues, but I don't see this suit getting anywhere.

Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:50 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 220

Thanks for the link Jeff. What a great idea to have a hotel down there and a couple nice restaurants! Too bad the new stadium isn't being built down there.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:23 AM by TK Highlight this comment 221

0 for 8 with RISP the first three innings last night. Of course both pitchers benefited from a plate ump who had a strike zone the size of Wyoming.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 06:59 AM by terry Highlight this comment 222

What a gigantic waste of taxpayer money. Anyone know how much this thing is going to cost? They have already spent $21 million just to plan the thing. Considering the pitcures it doesn't look cheap.

Considering the current LRT lost approx. $16 million, and Northstar around $14 million, (Not mentioning the debt service on either)hopefully someone in the legislature will try to put an end to the MetCouncil's nonsensical expansion of LRT, until the current and soon to be central corridor line can become self sustaining.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 223

Another great outing by Nick Blackburn and our hometown 9...

On another note, I wish they would quit wearing those navy blue alternates so much...I know baseball players are superstitious but they wear the navy alternates too frequently for my liking, both on the road and at home. Only if that starting pitcher wins his previous start, should they be allowed to choose that day's uniform otherwise stick with the home whites or road grays. That might give them some incentive to pitch better since they seem to love those navy blue tops so much.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 224

I'm excited for that new Interchange. Just think of what else they could do with that land the HERC currently occupies.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:09 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 225

Hmmm how much money do we spend on freeway and road improvements? Griping about 16 million and 14 million is complaining about a drop in the bucket when considering our overall transportation costs. Light Rail was intended to make money just as much as hwy 280 was intended to generate money. It's a dumb argument.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:25 PM by moda Highlight this comment 226

LRT is here to stay, Duffman, and it's going to grow exponentially in the next couple of decades -- as will commuter and high speed rail. Roads can only take a modern society so far.

The Interchange is a rare case where government is doing exactly what needs to be done to prepare for the future. And it's a complete bargain!

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:37 PM by Rick 227

And, just so we have the numbers, the total cost of the Interchange project will be $79.3 million.

Twins 2012 payroll: $94.1 million.

Both will be paid, one way or another, by you and me.

So...which is the better bargain?

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:46 PM by Rick 228

$79.3 million once; the Twins' payroll will be another $94.1 million (give or take) every yeear afterward.

LRT is the future; you might as well get comfortable with that fact. You can't continue to pour more and more vehicles into the downtown area. That'ss an unsustainable scenario.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:52 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 229

Ahh, but Rick, one is a private business that we can choose to send our money to. One is government where we have no choice and is taken whether we like it or not. Not a good comparison.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:55 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 230

I rode a jam packed light rail train to and from today's game, as I have for virtually every game I have attended the last 2 1/2 years. Those trains are always packed. The park and ride lot on a weekday like today is always completely full with the cars of downtown workers. The metro area is undoing a monumental mistake it made (with a little push from the Kid Cann syndicate)in the early '50's. Only anti-government extremists would claim light rail is not a reasonable, rational and essential piece of urban planning for the Twin Cities.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 6:35 PM by terry Highlight this comment 231

I know this is far less likely to happen here, but I can't help but think of this when people talk about the LRT and taking a packed LRT train. Then I laugh. Then I think how ridiculous that is video is. Then I move on.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 7:59 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 232

Luke was by himself in the adjacent traincar.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:19 PM by Rube Highlight this comment 233

Doubt it Rube. I don't ride the LRT alot. I actually DRIVE to the games I go to...lol.

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 234

Quite true, antifire! But how often is it that you get the better deal from the government? Pretty weird...

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:22 PM by Rick 235

Well, I guess you see something new every day.

Who ever heard of "train stuffing"? What's so weird is that there are tons of videos just like the one Jared linked, and it looks like everybody sort of expects it.

How fast would the LRT platform empty at TF if MetroTransit adopted this strategy? (I stopped riding LRT to games a long time ago. Too many people! What did Yogi Berra say? "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!")

Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:30 PM by Rick 236

Didn't our pal Smilin' Carl have something to do with the demise of one of the nation's best urban transit systems?

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 12:08 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 237

If the transit authorities in Japan would allow trains to roll with less people aboard, they could increase the frequency of trains, thereby allowing everyone to get where they need to be in time. They wasted so much time stuffing the train that getting on that train instead of waiting for the next one probably didn't save anybody any commute time.

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 05:47 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 238

One strategy I used when taking the LRT from MOA to the Metrodome and back for Vikes games was to avoid the crowd headed south and instead get on the train headed north. A few blocks up the line, we'd get off and get on a train headed south. We'd already have a seat by the time the train reached the dome instead of getting stuffed in the aisles. Worked every time.

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 05:51 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 239

The transit system was converted from street cars, an early form of light rail, to buses in the early '50's. There was a lot of shady dealing involving the Kid Cann syndicate and kickbacks. There were some convictions obtained, including one of Fred Osanna who was a high ranking official of the transit system. I don't believe Carl Pohlad became a part-owner of the system until nearly ten years after those shenanigans.

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM by terry Highlight this comment 240

One of my favorite local books in recent years is Twin Cities by Trolley. It's a very passionate account of the rise and fall of the local streetcar system which comes to an interesting conclusion: Streetcars weren't everything they were cracked up to be.

For one thing, the tracks ran down the middle of streets, hobbling automobile and pedestrian traffic everywhere they went. Many of the lines were not profitable and, in later years, completely unsustainable. Track was expensive to lay and maintain, as were the necessary electrical connections and vehicles themselves. Even the romance of the riding experience is somewhat misremembered. They were noisy, bouncy, smelly, and generally uncomfortable.

But the authors of this book believe that if the streetcar system had been pruned instead of scrapped, we would have significantly better public transportation in the region -- a system built out of a balance of cars, buses, bicycles, walking, LRT, commuter rail, and yes even old-style streetcars.

Basically, that's what the forward-thinking transit planners are trying to create for us right now, and the Interchange project is a small part of seeing that dream realized.

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 1:03 PM by Rick 241

I realize it's not fashionable to say so, but we FREQUENTLY get better deals from the government than from the private sector. Medicaid (v. HMOs) for one, public unviersities for another. Government chases its own tail too often, but private business chases profits always, not always to the customers or public's benefit!

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM by BR Highlight this comment 242

(I was hoping someone else would say that first. Thanks, BR!)

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 1:10 PM by Rick 243

For one thing, the tracks ran down the middle of streets, hobbling automobile and pedestrian traffic everywhere they went.

Kind of sounds like the Central Corridor. I'm all for the expansion of LRT as much as possible, but I hope future expansion occurs on separate right-of-ways as much as possible (a la most of the Hiawatha line), as opposed to down-the-middle of an already-busy street.

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 2:17 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 244

Agreed, Expectorate. I'm on record from way back as being disappointed by the alignment and configuration of the Central Corridor, while realizing that the path they chose was the only way to get federal funding.

But I'm hoping to be wrong about Central. After driving the route a few times, I've come to something of a peace about it, mostly because it changes University Avenue so much that it's clear the focus will now be on the transit rather than traffic. Some will rue this, I know, but it bodes well for the cultural shift which needs to happen in order for LRT to be successful.

I'm now way more worried about what havoc Central will wreak on downtown St. Paul, given all the weird twists and turns that the route takes.

Posted on June 28, 2012 at 2:45 PM by Rick 245

I think it's funny that there needs to be a "cultural shift" in order for LRT to be successful. In other cities, years ago, their mass transit additions were a solution to a major problem. None of this "if you build it people will come" crap.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 07:40 AM by James1979 Highlight this comment 246

In other cities, years ago, their mass transit additions were a solution to a major problem.

That's still true for MN. The Twin Cities ranks towards the top of the list for cities with congestion issues and has for some time. Thankfully it's not close to being a Chicago or DC but that doesn't mean you avoid dealing with the problem proactively.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 09:47 AM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 247

"For one thing, the tracks ran down the middle of streets, hobbling automobile and pedestrian traffic everywhere they went. Many of the lines were not profitable and, in later years, completely unsustainable. Track was expensive to lay and maintain, as were the necessary electrical connections and vehicles themselves. Even the romance of the riding experience is somewhat misremembered. They were noisy, bouncy, smelly, and generally uncomfortable."

This discribes the current LRT to a T. It has one line and that is not profitable. The central corridor construction is destroying what was left of University Avenue businesses in St. Paul. The city council may be hoping for some sort of redevelopement once this thing is completed, but that is foiled by their other policies which have created the hell-hole that is the Frogtown-Midway area. That is just speaking of the crime, I am not even mentioning the anit-business attitude of the council or the fact there will be no parking for CARS at any new business.

As for government giving people better deals. Remember you usually get what you pay for. On Medicare your care is governed by the rules associated with it, not to mention you healthcare is being paid for by the rest of us. You can pay for the best care you want with a private insurance company. Same with Public Universities which also are paid for by the rest of us. Even the things Government does well (on a national scale, defense, local, police & fire)are still done horribly inefficent. The problem is no one in governemnt cares because the tax money will keep flowing in, and if not, as is the case with St. Paul, those governing will attempt to raise them.

Seldom does the government do anything that benefits society as a whole.

And James I agree. Minnesota is no where near dense enough to warrant a LRT service. For the long term future, cars are going to be the primary mode of transportation. Why is the government and those in support of LRT so ready to forsake them infavor of an even more archic mode of transportation, that the car made obsolete?

GoAUpher, if you compare the Twin Cities freeway infratrucure with most major cities, you would see why we have congestion. The freeway infrastructure of the Twin Cities has not kept up in relation to the population growth. When is the last time they widened 94? They added a small near 280 after the 35w bridge went down, but that was out of necessity, not planning. Remember what happened when the 35w bridge opened? They left that lane because it made sense and it helped with the flow of traffic.

Also both DC and Chicago have extensive mass transit systems and they have horrid congestion. They only way to be proactive with the congestion is to begin widening our freeway system by at least 50% (I would prefer to double the size, to accomidate future growth).

Roads are very expensive, but they accomidate the movement of people, food and every other essential product across this country. That is not going to change.

Whether some people want to admit it or not cars are going to be the mode of transportation in this country for a very long time, no matter the gas price. People like their freedom to travel far too much to give it up to ride a train. Especially when the train ride from St. Paul to Minneapolis is going take 30-45 mins, when the drive can be done in 7-10 mins, 30 mins in traffic.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 10:36 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 248

"...healthcare is being paid for by the rest of us."
"Same with Public Universities which also are paid for by the rest of us."

Right. That's how government works.

"The problem is no one in governemnt cares..."
Do you REALLY believe this? In your world, who does care? Wall Street investors? Rush Limbaugh??

"Seldom does the government do anything that benefits society as a whole."

This is an essentially ignorant statement. Without even getting into intangible benefits, how about protecting clean water and air? Interstate highways (which you appear to love)? Social Security?

Come on. I understand America's long and storied tradition of individualism, but all of this anti-government screeching is just so stupid. How many countries offer you MORE freedom? Which great national experiements have been better at letting people live free or die than the USA?

You're living in a fantasy world, Duffman, and you're doing so in a particularly ungrateful and ill-informed manner.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 11:06 AM by BR Highlight this comment 249

Duffman: You keep prattling on about "profitable". You know what costs more money and also isn't profitable? Roads. Public transpo is by definition not a for profit thing. It is a public service.

Why is the government and those in support of LRT so ready to forsake them infavor of an even more archic mode of transportation, that the car made obsolete?

This is a specious argument. Public transpo is not being pushed as a replacement. It is meant to exist in cooperation with roads and provide options that reduce congestion.

The freeway infrastructure of the Twin Cities has not kept up in relation to the population growth. When is the last time they widened 94? They added a small near 280 after the 35w bridge went down, but that was out of necessity, not planning. Remember what happened when the 35w bridge opened? They left that lane because it made sense and it helped with the flow of traffic.

Adding more lanes doesn't solve the problem. When you already have way more traffic (with more on the way each year the metro grows) than you have capacity an extra lane or two reduce the problem and delay the inevitable return of more congestion. You can't add lanes forever, because there is a finite amount of space in several of the corridors. Now, all of that doesn't mean you stop building/expanding roads. It's means you need to pursue a comprehensive transit solution that includes public transpo. This "only roads or only rail" argument is BS and sets up strawmen.

Also both DC and Chicago have extensive mass transit systems and they have horrid congestion. They only way to be proactive with the congestion is to begin widening our freeway system by at least 50% (I would prefer to double the size, to accomidate future growth).
And their congestion would be worse without that public transpo. The overall issues are not evidence against the benefits of rail and other transpo options. Also, as I noted, there simply isn't room in some of the Cities traffic corridors to keep expanding forever, particularly inside of the 694/494 ring. Add in the messy 35W/94 interchange and adding lanes only means that bottleneck gets worse.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 11:10 AM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 250

Widening roads makes traffic worse, not better. It's a well-established, though somewhat counter-intuitive fact.

Congestion on roads will always, by definition, grow to the point where people will tolerate it (which is pretty much the same point where people cannot stand it). Add a new lane and pretty soon it fills up. It happens every single time, though people generally don't realize that's what has happened.

The only way to build a freeway big enough to last would be to make it so wide that there aren't enough people in the city to use it all. (Good luck funding that.) Even then, the available extra capacity would then attract people and it would eventually fill up. Ultimately, it's a poor and highly-unsustainable solution.

(As an aside, I'm convinced that the day will come when the current 35W corridor through south Minneapolis will be converted into a gigantic park. Don't believe me? Look what has happened to a great many former rail corridors. There was a time when turning a railroad bed into walking and biking trails -- or ballparks! -- would have seemed completely ludicrous. Also note that, whenever they close freeways for major repair, such as 35W after the collapse, everybody still gets to where they are going, and congestion mysteriously disappears. Where do all the cars go? Into the street grid, of course, which is a much more efficient way of distributing the traffic load.)

Modern LRT is no less sustainable than roads, it's just funded differently (same with buses). If you had to pay a toll every time you got on the freeway, and if that was the only way the roads were funded, you would be shocked at how much you would pay (and probably would scramble for an alternative pretty quickly).

These are all well-established facts. The future will require a balanced approach to transportation, allowing people to choose the mode which best fits the trip.

I drive sometimes. I ride the bus sometimes. I ride trains sometimes. I bike sometimes. I walk sometimes. That will be everybody eventually.

Key to making that happen is smarter city/region design. We've seen some of that over the past 20 years. Unfortunately, the new Vikings stadium takes a step backward in that regard, though it could have been worse (Arden Hills comes to mind).

But, and here you'll laugh but I'm (mostly) serious, it's all going to be rendered moot when personal helicopters supplant automobiles!

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 11:18 AM by Rick 251

The more people that take the trains, the fewer people that are driving their cars on our sometimes overcrowded roads.

I'm all for that.

Back to baseball: Are our guys going to win any against KC this weekend? I'll be there for the Saturday night game, hoping to teach my 10 year old god-daughter how to keep score.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 252

Hey Rick. I was wondering if you have any renderings of the proposed transit hub for the North Star commuter rail. I believe its considered phase 2 of The Interchange and was going to be built next to the Ford Center. Thanks.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 253

Hey F_T_K,
Here's a perfect item for you and your daughter (link). A well-designed scorebook with all the scoring instructions, created by a recent Auburn Univ. graphic design grad. You won't get it in time for this weekend's series, but maybe All Star game?

Can't have enough scorers at a ballgame! Have fun. I'll be there Saturday night with my book...and Millers jersey on, too. Hmmm, wool jersey on Saturday. I might be nuts, but I'll look good along with the Local Nine.

Posted on June 29, 2012 at 6:35 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 254

I remember going to the top of the IDS tower back in the 70's (part of grade school trip to the capitol). There was an observation deck back then along with a past/future type walk through with miniature models of the city. The past models had trolley cars and the future one had stacked freeways rather than wider ones. And I think they also showed personal mono-rail pod car type things and moving sidewalks too. Along with my first ever elevator ride!

Anyway, it was way cool. Much more memorable than the capitol. All I recall about the capitol is that the horses were being worked on and we couldn't go see them.

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:02 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 255

I will be at both games today. Going down early to dink around before the first game. Going to stay around downtown between games and probably hang out after for a little while. LOOOONG day for sure.

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 07:08 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 256

Hey Dave, did they close that IDS observation tower permanently? I know they did for a while shortly after the Arabic low-life-ne'r-do-wells-may-they-rot-in-hell caused havoc in NYC, but I wasn't sure if it has reopened since?

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 09:49 AM by luke Highlight this comment 257

Luke, dude, you gotta pay attention. The IDS observation deck closed 30 years ago.

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM by Rick 258

luke, yes the IDS observation deck is permanently closed. The Foshay Tower still has an observation deck and museum. The history of Wilbur Foshay is pretty interesting. You can get to the museum part by elevator but need to go up stairs to get to the actual outdoor observation deck. So I can't say how good the view is, wasn't able to get up there.

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:03 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 259

Lol Rick...naw. not 30 years ago. I went up there once when I worked downtown and that was in 1998

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 5:36 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 260

It closed permanently in 1983. Look it up.

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 6:50 PM by Rick 261

With the Millers throwbacks tonight, there's been more organ music than at any single Twins game since probably the mid 1990s.

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 8:48 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 262

I have no idea when the observation deck closed for good. I tried to Look it up but got conflicting results. I found 1983, 1993, and a stribe article that suggests late 1990's. I know when I tried to go up there around 07/08 they wouldn't let you even pass the lobby desk.

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 10:47 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 263

Thome to the Orioles. Hopefully he lasts long enough for a return to TF and a few more opportunities for me to snag a homer or autograph.

I called the Willingham homer to left. From my seat in 229 you could easily read the pull on the swings before and all he had to do was keep one in play. Man that was cool. Each of his at bats later had the same read and a handful of other players as well. Too bad they just didn't get more of it and put it into my seat.

That Butler homer in the night game landed in the stairwell in the 300 level just behind us and bounced down right into the hands of the guy behind me. If you watch the replay no doubt you can see me standing up last second like a dope. I wasn't paying attention to Butler being at the plate and didn't see the ball until the last minute. I feel like an idiot. I totally could have had that ball. People booed but the guy didn't throw it back. I wouldn't have either.

Linked are some pics of the Millers and KC jerseys from the night cap. Screw bring back the trees, we need to bring back the Stirrups!

Posted on June 30, 2012 at 11:21 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 264

The boys and I were up in 315 for the night game. When Mauer came up in the third, Truman said, "Dad, let's give him the power!" This ritual involves extending our arms forward and wiggling our fingers toward the hitter (or, more often, toward the TV screen).

I said, "Good idea, Tru, but remember, Joe doesn't usually swing at the first pi-- Holy crap! That ball is outta here!"

Posted on July 1, 2012 at 12:42 AM by Rick 265

Jared,

You must be in this shot somewhere:


Posted on July 1, 2012 at 12:47 AM by Rick 266

The IDS observation deck was converted to office and banquet space after the first run ended in 1983. There were a couple of times they tried to reopen it, but they didn't last very long. There have also been one-off times for special events.

I've been up there a few times on business in recent years, and though the view is still cool, it has all the romance of a hotel convention center.

The top of the Wells Fargo building, on the other hand, is incredible, and very vertigo-inducing...

Posted on July 1, 2012 at 01:00 AM by Rick 267

Now that there are several thousand empty seats for games I wonder if the Twins are allowing the pregame ceremony flag holders, etc. to stay for the game rather than showing them the door as before.

Posted on July 1, 2012 at 2:01 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 268

Yep, that dope in the red shoes, white shorts, grey shirt and backwards Twins hat. I had a clear path to that ball. Would have had to run up the stairs and wait for the carom to bring it back down over the 300 level railing. I wasn't paying attention to the play and Megan freaked out because it was on a line right at us. So like a spaz I tried standing up fumbling with my phone and iPad in my lap and stumbling my big feet on the awkward aisle step while trying to locate the ball. I finally saw it about 3/4 of the way through the outfield just as it was clearing the canopy and into the blank sky from my viewing angle. Realized it was over my head and turned to prepare for the rebound. It hit in the stairwell of the 300 level right there and softly came up and down over the railing into that guys hands. Pretty funny to see his surprise as it just drops into his hands. I wouldn't have been able to directly catch it but could have had a pretty good shot at getting it off the rebound if i would have been paying attention. Oh well, the fish that got away...

Posted on July 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 269

To realize you've been thwarted by a guy who wears his cap backwards must have been galling.

Posted on July 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 270


Posted on July 1, 2012 at 8:37 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 271

OK. I'm not getting it.

Posted on July 1, 2012 at 9:54 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 272

I am fairly certain this is known, but thought I would mention it any way.

You can now do the search and select your seat on the Twins website, similar to Ticketmaster, as this feature is back:

"Select your seats from the seat map"

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:29 AM by TK Highlight this comment 273

Jarrod I think the pro-trees folks and the pro-stirrups folks could build a nice coalition.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:21 AM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 274

Anyone who doesn't think wearing a baseball uniform the way it was intended, including stirrups, needs only think of the pictures presented by Prince Fielder and C.C. Sabathia. Reminds me of when I was a child and would get a new pair of play pants that were too long. Maybe Prince and C.C. never had mothers who reminded them to "roll up your pant legs" before going out to play.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM by terry Highlight this comment 275

Even Mauer was sporting the cuffed pants and stirrups during the throw back game. It's like they gave him some other-worldy kind of power, I mean, he did hit a homer [i]opposite field at Target Field[/] after all.

Clark - If that coalition brings back stirrups to Twins unis, consider me joined.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:56 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 276

I loved the 'throwback' look for the Saturday night game. Sadly, there were still a few players that wore their pants legs dragging on the ground...

I also liked the picture on the right field scoreboard (I couldn't see the main board) of Nicollet Park, complete with black specks that made it look like an old-time silent movie. Nice work by the a/v crew!

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:08 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 277

I really wish players were required to where the high socks. I think it looks way more professional. I am a sucker for old school and think it is a great look.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:28 PM by tk Highlight this comment 278

I mean, look at the top picture in this blog post Span and Plouffe look professional and put together, while the other players look like the 10 years olds putting the pants on during the pre-game kids base challenge.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:29 PM by tk Highlight this comment 279

Those uniform pants Prince Fielder is wearing look like something that
should be worn by the Good Humor Ice Cream man.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 6:53 PM by terry Highlight this comment 280

well I suppose the Twinkies are glad they weren't at TF tonight. They might have been without power for a while. We lost power on the North side for about two hours tonight.

And, how cool would that be if the next game at TF was NL vs AL all stars? My people in the know still are hinting towards 2014.

As far as the IDS tower ob deck, I have seen various opinions online. There were a couple I found that supported the 1983 date. I found a couple that said "late 1990s". The Wikipedia entry says that it is actually rented by the Schwebel Law Firm. There was also mention of a restaurant up there that closed in 1993.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 281

Well, the power outage could have spared us a little longer from reading your post Luke. All is life.

If "your people" are anyone who is breathing and follows baseball, I would say you are right about TF hosting 2014.

Thanks Luke on your Wiki research. So your saying the reason wasn't because of your hate for a certain population you mentioned above? Good to know.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:51 PM by TK Highlight this comment 282

"As far as the IDS tower ob deck, I have seen various opinions online."

I doubt the date of the observation deck closing is a matter of opinion.

Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:03 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 283

"My people in the know..."

You mean when Mom yells down the basement stairs, "Luke, your Pop Tart is ready, and, by the way, every major news outlet I've been watching has said the Twins are likely to get the All Star Game in 2014."

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 08:56 AM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 284

The IDS observation deck has briefly re-opened on occasion, which causes the confusion.

It also looks like the Marquette Hotel still uses some of it as special event space. This must have been the old restaurant space.

http://www.marquettehotel.com/minneapolis-conferences/windows-on-minnesota/index.cfm

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 09:17 AM by Lincster Highlight this comment 285

I used to work at IDS, and got to see a lot of behind the scenes stuff. About 5 years ago I got to watch the fireworks on the 4th of July from the roof. It was fun sitting up there with Pizza Luce pizza and a bottle of coke enjoying looking down on the fireworks around the cities.

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 1:10 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 286

Wasn't the original IDS observation deck higher than the 50'th floor?

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 2:34 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 287

Just found the answer from IDS Center Timeline 1972 - 51st floor observation deck opens November 22

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 2:40 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 288

Yes it was turned into Schwebel, Goetz & Sieben law firm, plus a few others. Windows on Minnesota was turned from a restaurant into a banquet center about 10 years ago or so. From what I was told 5 years ago, for a cool $25,000 you could have a complete wedding up there.

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 289

Also as for getting a good view of Target Field from up there, all you have to do is walk in to the tower and hit 50 on the elevator and just go walk around, you may be told to leave, but that should take awhile.

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 8:10 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 290

Starting pitching fails again.

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM by terry Highlight this comment 291

Well TK, do remember the Cubbies want to host in 2014 as well. The Cubs wont get it IMO regardless of Wrigley. Twinkies have had a longer ASG drought (1985) than the Cubbies (1990)

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 292

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the all star game alternate sites between AL and NL. Sorry Luke, you may be wrong again.

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:03 PM by Mjwarnke Highlight this comment 293

What? Luke wrong? Say it ain't so.

But it's OK because, while the rest of us are following a Major League baseball team, he's apparently focusing his energies on Hostess products.

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM by Rick 294

Guarantee wrigley won't be ready in 2014: ricketts family needs city funds to renovate the frat house they call home and the old man pissed off mayor Emmanuel (the "rahm father" and #1 crony to Obama) by offering to put down $10 million of his own CASH to run a political ad and ruin obamas re-election for the prez. Last I head, the ricketts and Chicago mayor aren't on speaking terms ought now. I could be wrong though.

Very interesting stuff. Check it out. More interesting research than when the IDS tower observatory closed to the public.

IDS is the Foshay's bitch!

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM by Rube Highlight this comment 295

Head = read
Ought = right
IDs is the Foshay's bitch = I need to lay off the sauce

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM by Rube Highlight this comment 296

Wrigley may be turning 100, but it's also falling apart. The sad thing is that, unlike Fenway, it may already beyond saving. They are talking about upgrades, but are actually facing major structural problems.

Rebuilding in place is one option (that has already been done to every part of the park at least once; I don't think any part is actually original). But the salient point may be that hosting an ASG is almost a non-starter because of the condition. In fact, hosting an ASG may be the only thing the owners can use for leverage to get the funding for improvements (they can't pretend, for example, that they might move to L.A.).

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:35 PM by Rick 297

Buddy and I got into a long discussion last week about how long is too long to "hang on to" places like Wrigley and Fenway. It got pretty intense and was a very interesting discussion. He was pro-renovate as much as possible and while I wouldn't mind keeping them around, I was more pro-build new.

Posted on July 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 298

Given what happened at Fenway, I think that considering renovation is a good place to start. The question is really whether any type of "renovation" could actually save Wrigley. I'm not sure.

The rebuild-in-place option would come in a close second, but I don't think they could build anything with even remotely the amount of character. And the memory of what was there would overshadow whatever was built in its place.

If Populous is involved, I'd fear that the grandstand would double in height, the streets beyond the outfield walls would become concourses (perhaps with concession stands built into the facades of the buildings which are now across the street), and the whole thing would go from "classic" to "boy, they really screwed that up".

It's also equally hard to imagine a suburban Cubs stadium. The Wrigley neighborhood would be decimated (though some residents would probably see that as a good thing), and the culture shock would be off the charts.

I just finished reading Scorecasting by Wertheim and Moskowitz. Great book -- highly recommended -- and it contains a whole chapter dedicated to figuring out whether the Cubs are truly unlucky, or whether something else is going on.

SPOILER ALERT: They aren't unlucky. They are lousy. And the reason they are lousy is because there is no significant financial incentive to get better. Fans keep coming even when the team is terrible. Part of that is the psyche of the community, and part of it is Wrigley, and there are other parts.

But the upshot for stadium considerations is that building something new in a different setting, or destroying the unique and classic Wrigley experience, will upset the whole formula which has worked so well for a century. They will still be bad, but they'll also be poor -- the North Sox, if you will.

It's quite a pickle.

Posted on July 4, 2012 at 01:53 AM by Rick 299

Sorry Warnke, but it HAS happened in the past, the NL actually hosted two years in a row. Pissburgh and PNC hosted in 2006, and Frisco and ATT hosted in 2007.

Everybody in Chicago is jumping up and down about Wrigley Fields 100th anniversary in 2014 (opened as Weeghman Park in 1914). What perfection to host the ASG at Wrigley for the 100th anniversary of America's most venerable ballpark?

Holy Jesus, I remember the day when Wrigley turned on the lights for the first time. That place has come a long way in 98 years...lol.

Posted on July 4, 2012 at 09:28 AM by luke Highlight this comment 300

Phil wrigley actually wanted to be the first owner to install lights back in 1939. But once the lights went on at Crosley Field, he scrapped the idea and donated the already purchased lights and standards to the Navy. Wrigley also toyed with the idea of installing artificial turf back in the 1960s.

Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 301

Or so I've read.

Posted on July 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 302

Likely the reason for 2 consecutive NL All-Star Games in 2006-07 was the large number of newer NL ballparks. Remember, as of the 2005 season, there were 6 new National League stadiums that had yet to host an All-Star Game (Citizens Bank Park, GABP, PNC, Chase Field, AT&T Park, Petco Park) with, at the time, up to 4 more in the planning/construction phase stages (Citi Field, Nats Park, Busch III, Marlins Park -- though that was one was more theoretical in '05). In '05, the AL had 1 that hadn't hosted (Tropicana Field) with 2 in the "possible" phase (new Yankee Stadium, Target Field). So getting Pittsburgh & San Francisco out of the way in consecutive years helped alleviate the glut of NL parks.

If there's no more "new NL ballpark glut alleviation," the rotation means the NL will get through all their new stadiums in 2023. This doesn't include a possible Wrigley 100th in 2014 -- or renovated/new Wrigley some time in next decade -- or awarding to Dodger Stadium once all renovations in the stadium/area are fully complete. So, perhaps, 2027 to get through all the NL's new/renovated stadiums on the rotation. Meanwhile, the can get through Target, the Trop & NYS by 2018 -- and that assumes (A) MLB would want to highlight Tropicana Field and (B) they'd want to return to New York for the 3rd time in a decade.

One could make a good case that the rotation will stop soon to get through all those remaining NL parks...except for the World Series home field advantage, which might be reason enough to keep the rotation alive (and not give a perceived advantage to the National League).

Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 303

The National League has 16 teams (for now), thus the need to go back-to-back in NL parks at least once every 30 years.

That's about to change, of course.

Posted on July 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM by Rick 304

Work has started on TF to get ready for Sunday's concert...

Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:25 PM by Paul Highlight this comment 305

OK - show of hands, how many here think that the Twinkies will bitch and moan next week that the McGraw/Chesney concert setup totally destroyed the grass, further preventing them from hitting homeruns, turning double plays, and basically playing like a good major league ballclub?

O/ My hand is up...lol.

Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:59 PM by luke Highlight this comment 306

I cant use my 2 tix for friday 7/13/12 game they are 22 each face value but will unload them both for 25 bucks click my email if anyone is intersted.. 35 for luke

Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:04 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 307

Luke,

Let me know when you have a final count of raised hands, and if any convenience store products start complaining to you about country music again. (I hear that the Ho-Ho's hate Taylor Swift.)

Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM by Rick 308

I've got my hand raised.

And I bet Larry DiVito will get approximately 7 hours of sleep over the next 7 days, trying to get the field back into playing shape.

Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:44 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 309

Maz...i'm already going Saturday, and have better seats than the $22 price point...lol

Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:41 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 310

Adrian Peterson charged after an incident at closing time at a Houston night club. Is there anyone who hasn't gotten the message that at closing time these so-called "night clubs" are not good places to be.

Posted on July 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM by terry Highlight this comment 311

I for one am not surprised that Peterson got hauled away. He wears Purple, doesn't he? You play for the Viqueens, you get yourself arrested. Everybody knows that. Jesus, we're like the Oakland Raiders of the north.

Posted on July 7, 2012 at 7:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 312

Not quite. The Raiders own a few Lombardi Trophies.

Posted on July 7, 2012 at 11:17 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 313

hey target field and goofy twins PR guy kevin smith: leave the big traveling tour concerts to tcf bank stadium. they did a fantastic job with the U2 concert last summer. and their set-up was perfect.

this concert set up for target field is terrible. would never pay big prices for concert tickets to see a show in a baseball stadium. or to watch a hockey game in one. no matter the city. the only thing i would pay to watch in target field is baseball.

Posted on July 8, 2012 at 10:56 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 314

So --- now that we know for sure that Peterson is an idiot (at least when drunk) the question becomes is it a Vikings thing or just a coincidence?

Posted on July 8, 2012 at 3:04 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 315

Linked is a timelapse of the field to concert transformation. Sure is a ton of tile they laid over the field. You suppose that is property of the Tour or of Target Field?

Posted on July 8, 2012 at 3:04 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 316

Turns out its terraplas flooring. Here is a link from floor level by the soundbooth. Twins grounds crew replied to a question that the turf under and around the stage will have to be re-sodded. Sorry for you folks who hate the sight of sod next to established turf.

Posted on July 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 317

True, winona. If memory serves, Oakland earned one of those against the Purple didnt they (1976?) ? I was more shooting for the "bad guy" image the Raiders seem to have amongst some NFL fans.

Posted on July 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 318

Well, the similarities don't end there. Luke. One could also toss in front office skulduggery and mismanagement as well as draft day incompetence. Come to think of it, the resemblences are uncanny.

Posted on July 8, 2012 at 10:40 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 319

To be fair Beta, Target Field may have worked out better for the U2 concert due to the shape of the stage. I was a little disappointed that these two hicks received the honor of first Target Field concert, especailly when Springsteen is in the middle of a stadium tour.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 02:42 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 320

Back to back 4-3 extra inning losses. They finally get some respectable starting pitching and the hitters go 2 for 15 with RISP in the two games.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 09:04 AM by terry Highlight this comment 321

Very disappointing Terry - what could have been a 5-2 road trip turned into 3-4. The hitting was lacking and the bullpen pitching a bit disastrous.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 322

Hopefully after the break the Twins bats and pitching can get on the same page. Hitting/scoring 4 runs/game and pitchers making quality starts and the relief closing the door.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:20 AM by tk Highlight this comment 323

Perkins just didn't have it last night, it looked like he didn't trust his fastball so he kept throwing the off-speed stuff. Credit the Texas hitters, a couple of them got hits off balls well out of the strike zone.

That lighting / thunderbolt was a bit scary. I've never seen ballplayers react like that before.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:00 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 324

Whatever became of the Minnesota Supreme Court needing to make a ruling of some sort in relation to the state's use of bonds for the Vikings stadium? Amidst the euphoria when the stadium gained approval from the legislature and Minneapolis city council, there were a few people pointing out this situation, but getting little response.

At one point, I communicated on Twitter with one of the Vikings' PR guys, asking why the team hadn't said a word about the entire scenario. His stock answer was the team was confident things would work out. When I asked what they'd do if things didn't, he got a bit touchy, basically saying the outstanding issue with the bonds was the state's deal and the Vikings weren't going to comment on it. I'll admit my tone while pressing for answers was a bit pushy, but his annoyed tone while answering in a public forum really surprised me.

Some of it seemed to stem from me raining on his parade a little, but it also seemed as though the Vikings have no plan in case this blows up and are ready to make the state the villain if it does. Does anyone know what's going on? In the meantime, all parties are still pushing ahead as though this is a done deal.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 325

Coomer mentioned right before the hit, forget the hitter, that player X has been having trouble with his fastball. 0-2 pitch is the breaking ball. I thought you are suppose to use your best pitch?

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:48 PM by tk Highlight this comment 326

Oh, you're asking for trouble there, Jorge! Don't rain on any purple parades!

Two things:

Technically, the Supreme Court only has to make a decision if someone sues. To date, as far as I know, no one has. And I've talked to people within the process who think there's no one out there with enough balls to do it. (Someone said, "Maybe that !$#%@ Krinkie.")

Second, the tip boards have been put on hold, which appears to have forced organizations which had planned to upgrade to electronic pulltabs to reconsider. The tax break they were to receive only is realized if tip boards are part of the overall mix. Without the anticipated increase in gambling revenue, the finances of the deal don't work and the state's general fund is on the hook.

I've no doubt that a stadium will still get built. But it's going to get pretty ugly in St. Paul next year. There will be lots of finger-pointing, and don't be surprised to see attempts to repeal the deal. (Depends on how the election goes, of course.)

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM by Rick 327

Yeah it will get repealed just like they were going to stop CCLRT while it was underway. It's not going to happen. They will have started construction by then and there's no way you will see that get stopped.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:37 PM by moda Highlight this comment 328

I think it's already beyond the point where it can be stopped. (Who's going to take that $150K salary away from Ted Mondale?) But attempts at repeal? Absolutely. If nothing else, there will be freshmen lawmakers who want to make a name for themselves.

And, just for the record, construction won't actually get underway until late summer 2013 sometime. There's a lot of paperwork to do before then. They'll probably have their official groundbreaking about the time they start to play the 2013-2014 season.

Also, there has been great hedging in the media already about the whole idea of building part of the new stadium while the Metrodome is still in use. (The most interesting parts of stadium articles are always the second-to-last paragraph. Most people don't read that far.) Don't be surprised if the Vikings play two full seasons or more at TCFBS.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:08 PM by Rick 329

(By "actual construction" I mean pile-driving and the like. They'll likely take up the asphalt of that parking lot as soon as they can after the end of the coming football season, but that's just site prep.)

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM by Rick 330

The tip board thing never made sense. It's not allowed by federal law. Not even New Jersey with its more institutionally entrenched, powerful, and wealthy gambling industry can get them despite many efforts. Yet somehow Minnesota was going get tipboards by legislative action.

I also believe the Vikings will play two seasons on campus. If the team follows the U of M's parking procedures for Gophers games of making nearly all public ramps on campus prepaid season parking, then in combination with LRT and shuttle buses to and from downtown and the fairgrounds, it need not be the trauma many expect.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 331

Target Field grounds crew tweeting a pic of center field after the concert last night. haha, Larry Devito is gonna have kittens.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM by jcm-baseball Highlight this comment 332

Bremer was babbling on and on last night about what a great groundskeeper the Twins have. He stated flat out that he was willing to bet that by the time the Twins return to the field you would not be able to tell anything had happened in the interim. I'd like to contact him, accept the bet, and ask him how much money he is willing to lose.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 333

A 91-hour inload and construction taken down in less than a day? Incredible.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:50 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 334

If Bremer ends up being right, will you acknowledge it here?

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 335

Even if it is just a big swath of new sod, there is no way you won't be able to tell.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 336

For some reason Ben's comment reminds me of a game many many years ago. Dodgers, I think. Anyhow, overnight some rabble got in and burned some obscenities on the infield turf. Game that night was televised, but the cameramen and director just made it a point not to show the infield turf unless they absolutely had to. It was interesting to watch, with different camera angles being used than what we're used to.

Not that the Twins / FSN would ever stoop to that, just to make it seem like Target Field was in perfect condition...

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:36 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 337

There's no way the defect will be hidden, but can't hold that against DiVito. Only so much a groundskeeper can do. I'm not a Bremer apologist, but I think DiVito is fine. The field was looking good this year until this little event.

Just caught about 5 minutes of the Home Run Derby, before I was forced to change the channel. I can only take so much Chris Berman shouting, "OHHHHHHHHH....AND HE HITS THIS ONE TO {insert name of obscure city in same state where All-Star Game is held}!!!!!!!

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 338

The grass incident was in Baltimore. The White Sox were in town and pranksters found their way into the park and burned the words, "Sox Sux" into the infield grass between 1st and 2nd, and 2nd and 3rd. The grounds crew did the best they could; they painted the exposed dirt green, but the words were still visible and legible.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 339

Yes, the announcing for the Home Run Derby is atrocious.

The whole event is so weird. Sort of un-baseball. It's fun to see long balls, but it doesn't make for a very good competition.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM by Rick 340

You get long balls in batting practice --- without all the hype. And, you don't have to endure six minutes of commercial messages for every ten minutes of programming.

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:06 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 341

Some of the Berman calls remind me of Bremer...."Deep fly, way back, caught in short left Field." "Back back back back, and just not enough"

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:11 PM by tk Highlight this comment 342

What I like best is the two hoppers:

Twins hitter - "A vicious, sizzling drive up the middle".

Anyone else - "A lazy grounder ----- ".

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:20 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 343

They are saleesmen for the Twins...

Posted on July 10, 2012 at 01:52 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 344

He most likely learned that from John Gordon.

Posted on July 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 345

My all time favorite Gordo one is the "LINE DRIVE, base hit, Caught by the shortstop."

Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM by tk Highlight this comment 346

Curses. See link.

Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:04 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 347

Rick, imagine listening to the HR derby on the radio! Even weirder.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 12:09 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 348

Nobody is worst than Dan Gladden- "here's a slap down the left field line, could be two, caught by Ichiro (RF), he throws a pea into second as Mauer advances on the throw."

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 02:27 AM by jcm-baseball Highlight this comment 349

Anyone have issues with Mauer playing 1B in the All-Star Game? I can see Joe being slightly miffed by it.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 07:34 AM by ab21 Highlight this comment 350

Joe has been playing 1B quite a bit this season. One less day of putting on the catchers gear was probably not an issue with Mauer. Wouldn't be surprised if Gardy and/or Mauer let Ron Washington know that it would be a good place to play Joe during the AS game.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 08:03 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 351

Early on, I thought, "Oh, great. Mauer's going to have to catch three meaningless innings late in this blowout."

So I was happy to see him at first.

But it's definitely time to end the "this time it counts" nonsense. Home field advantage in the World Series should go the team with the best record, plain and simple. In the case of a tie, go to record against each other (if the two teams played during inter-league play), and only if they are still tied go to the overall inter-league record.

And I heard that Bud Selig wants to make a rule that the Home Run Derby must include at least one home-town player.

How does this guy come up with this stuff?

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 10:36 AM by Rick 352

Maybe ole Larry will be forced to use a different cut design to cover up some of the new sod! Bout time! Mix it up Larry! Not impressed! Bring up the old fart from FT. Meyers to help Larry out!

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM by twinkfan Highlight this comment 353

Can we get back to calling Mauer female body parts? Please.....

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 354

They should just take the top 4 home run leaders (All-Star or not) from each league and put them in the derby.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 355

Regarding home field advantage for the World Series, I heard a suggestion yesterday that would give home field advantage to whatever league had the most victories during inter-league play.

I liked the idea more than the victor of the All Star game.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 356

I have no problem at all with mandatory inclusion of a home player being in the Home Run Derby. It's all just some some fun for the fans anyway, so why not give them a rooting interest?

End the practice of giving home field advantage in the World Series to the league that wins the All Star Game. Either rotate as was done for decades or grant hosting rights to the World Series team with the best regular season record. Having World Series home advantage at stake has not and will not generate any additional interest in the game nor will it inspire players to take it any more seriously.

I realize that many people want the All Star Game to matter like it did into at least the 1980s, but that ship sailed long ago. Players make too much money to take a World Series win bonus seriously and interleague play has taken away the mystique of seeing AL players vs. NL players on one night per year. The sooner people accept that times have permanently changed and just take the All Star Game for what it is now, a loose exhibition with some star power, the more likely those people are to actually enjoy the game.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 357

I meant "to take an All Star Game win bonus seriously".

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 358

The combination of free agency and interleague play has eliminated the concept of players having league identities. Back when players tended to spend if not their entire careers, at least their prime years, in the same league, there was a pride taken in showing their league was superior. The silly "this-time-it-counts" ad slogan won't bring back that sense of player identification with a league.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 1:57 PM by terry Highlight this comment 359

And it's not just players. Even the leagues just barely have league identities, and only because of the DH.

The sport is going to have to retool a bit given the integration of inter-league play and the dilution of the league/division distinctions.

Maybe the All-Star Game should somehow include a draft: The chosen managers could draft from players made available by the teams (not specific to league). A draft like that could make for a fun event all on its own in the spring sometime.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM by Rick 360

As I wrote the above, I had a feeling that I wrote on this subject before, and sure enough, I did.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM by Rick 361

It's all about TV. So long as enough beer, cars, insurance, and tampons get sold we are stuck with this overhyped crap.

Posted on July 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 362

So....like the NHL all star game?

Posted on July 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 363

I liked it better when they just played ball. The ASG didn't start until FIFTY minutes after the ASG programming.

Posted on July 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 364

What is this "NHL" you speak of? They have stars? And an All-Star Game?

I'll have to check Wikipedia on this...

Posted on July 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM by Rick 365

Ummm Rick we are the state of hockey! We just landed to the 2 biggest free agents on the market. Look out for the Mild this year! At least these guys can play near 500.

Posted on July 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM by twinkfan Highlight this comment 366

Here you go Twinkfan.....

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 01:00 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 367

Maybe ole Larry checks this board? I will have to check it out on tv tonight! Bout time they mixed it up! Who cares what the outfielders think.

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM by twinkfan Highlight this comment 368

So our guys are starting the informal second half of the season in last place in the American League Central division, a game and a half behind the Royals for 4th place, and 11 back from the leaders Chicago White Sox. They're not the worst team in baseball, there are five teams with worse records, but they are the worst team when it comes to run differential at -87 runs...

I predicted that they wouldn't win 50 games, it looks like they could at least make it that far. Anyone got any other predictions for the rest of the season?

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 2:14 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 369

I say the boys will be in full sale mode here shortly. May not lose 100 but will come close! I will say 65-97. Look for crowds in the 20,000 range come Sept and next April and May. Get your tickets and Holiday dogs while you can!

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 2:51 PM by twinkfan Highlight this comment 370

F_T_K going into the last two games in Texas, I was feeling confident this team could make a strong push to being near a .500 club by the end of the season. The last two games clearly proved why I shouldn't get my hopes up.

My dad told me as soon as Dozier made the error in the 9th on Sunday that we should turn the channel, as we all know how that game was going to end. He felt comfortable saying that, as Bremer already jinxed the Twins by saying no team had shut-out the Rangers at home.

I think we will be a 92 loss team this year.

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM by tk Highlight this comment 371

Twinkfan, ok so we are the state of hockey - but why are we treating Parise and Suter like the Second Coming of Camelot? Jesus, we do this EVERY TIME, we sign a couple decent players and treat them like the savior of the world (hence why we called Favre Baby Jesus).

And then, they turn out to be flops. Think back over the years: Herschel Walker. Tom Gugliotta, Stephon Marbury, Donovan McfuckingNabb! Parise will get injured within the first six weeks of the season, guaranteed. That is just our dumb luck. Then we will wonder what the hell the fuss was all about. Minnesota is where respectable sports careers go to die.

Rant over.

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 8:45 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 372

The Second Coming of Camelot??? What??

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 10:16 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 373

Antifire- it is a very common colloquilism. It is akin to saying something is a fairy tale.

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 374

Ask ev'ry person if he's heard the story,
And tell it strong and clear if he has not,
That once there was a fleeting wisp of glory
Called Camelot.

Posted on July 13, 2012 at 10:57 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 375

My favorite washed up QB the vikings signed, and there has been many, is gotta be Jim McMahon.

Posted on July 14, 2012 at 03:13 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 376

I believe Mauer was called Baby Jesus, not Farve. But since you mentioned Farve, he, McNabb and Walker were on the tail end of their careers, Marbury was a nut case with an inferiority complex, and how is Gugliotta even considered in this? Luke your rant lacked a decent point.

There has been nothing like these signings in the Twin Cities before. Two young stars in their prime, signing the contract that they will most likey end their careers here.

Posted on July 14, 2012 at 03:25 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 377

On second thought, let's not go to Camelot, it's a silly place.

Posted on July 14, 2012 at 06:38 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 378

Sitting in section 329 tonight. The McChesney concert truly did a number on the field. There are patches everywhere. If McChesney did that, it is a good bet DeVito does not want an ice rink and the Winter Classic in a couple years. Good thing we still have TCFBS.

Posted on July 14, 2012 at 5:10 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 379

And some out of towner tried starting the wave at TF IN MY section dammit. This is NOT the Metrodome.

Posted on July 14, 2012 at 7:19 PM by luke (aka 3-159) Highlight this comment 380

Can we get The Wave declared illegal and unconstitutional?

Posted on July 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 381


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