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March 2, 2007 5:16 PM

Today's article in the Star Tribune got buried pretty quickly on their web site under an avalanche of snow coverage. But it's interesting because it names six sites that Hennepin County has discussed and presented to the Twins for consideration.

They are:

1. "a 40-acre parcel near the new Target Co. campus in Brooklyn Park...along Hwy. 610 owned by a three-person limited partnership"
2. "property owned by the Star Tribune near the Metrodome"
3. "the Farmers Market on the near North Side of downtown Minneapolis"
4. "property along the Mississippi River near Dowling Avenue in north Minneapolis"
5. "an undisclosed parcel in St. Louis Park"
6. "the Brookdale Mall property"

I'm glad to see the Farmer's Market on the county's list. That would make a great site for a stadium. The view of downtown really is better from there.

The article also includes two nuggets worthy of further digestion:

County Board Chairman Randy Johnson said that he had recently met privately with a Hines Interests official to try to break the stalemate, but that he was unsuccessful. Hines, a Texas-based developer, reportedly owns an option on the stadium land through an agreement with Land Partners II and had previously announced its own redevelopment plans for other land surrounding the stadium.

But Johnson said he came away with few answers, including details on Hines' specific role in the stadium land's ownership.

"I kept asking, 'What's Hines' involvement?' " he said. "I never get very many answers."

The emphasis above is mine, but it could explain a lot. Perhaps the LPII folks are bound by some agreement they made when they thought the Legislature would never pass stadium legislation. Just a thought.

Next is Mike Kaszuba's characterization of LPII's reaction to the $13MM offer:

Spokesmen for Land Partners II have scoffed at the county's initial sale-price offer, saying the property is worth considerably more.

Scoffing is not really a good place to start negotiating. Rich Pogin asked me in a comment below what fuels my negative impressions of LPII's behavior. It's this sort of thing. (I've since begun a conversation with him which I hope to be able to share in this space very soon.)

Call for Ballpark Sites Redux

So the county has their list, and we have ours. Two sites have been added to our list from your comments:

7. Kmart site at Lake and Nicollet (thanks Andrew -- I love this one, but can't imagine the pieces falling into place in time)
8. Bryn-Mawr Meadows (near the impound lot, but not part of it)

Keep the ideas coming!

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LPII not greedy? Give me a break.

Bryn Mawr Meadows is a fabulous spot for a park...but parking would be a nightmare. Another fun spot would be the old PARADE Stadium. They could use the existing field and build a stadium around it...?

Posted on March 2, 2007 at 7:39 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 1

I have an idea for an aspiring journalism student. Find the names of the 100 investors behind LPII and post them. It is really not fair to Pogin to make him the next Norm Greene without exposing the other decision makers behind the scenes.

Posted on March 2, 2007 at 8:07 PM by Bill Highlight this comment 2

I have an idea for an aspiring journalism student. Find the names of the 100 investors behind LPII and post them. It is really not fair to Pogin to make him the next Norm Greene without exposing the other decision makers behind the scenes.

Posted on March 2, 2007 at 8:08 PM by Bill Highlight this comment 3

Rick give a slack on the comment I never talked to the reporter for the article

Posted on March 2, 2007 at 8:46 PM by rich Highlight this comment 4

Sorry, Rich. That's imprecise language on my part. I meant to imply that the perception of scoffing is what fuels people's negative impressions. (I think it's unlikely that anyone actually "scoffed"...)

Posted on March 2, 2007 at 9:06 PM by Rick 5

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