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Overheard

September 30, 2011 2:02 AM

Overheard yesterday, high over Target Field:

Minny: Well, Paul, looks like the season is over.

Paul: Looks like it, Minny.

Minny: What'd you think?

Paul: (after a pause) We didn't get to shake hands very much.

Minny: True, true.

(Sound of cold wind blowing.)


Paul: Really I think I'd rather forget the whole thing.

Minny: Sure, but we've got a lot of time to kill before the next game.

Paul: I know. But what do you want me to say?

Minny: Let's do what we did last year. You remember, going over the season game by game, retelling all the stories, remembering all the highlights while soaking in anticipation for the new season. That was so great.

Paul: I suppose we can try.

(Sound of lonely LRT whistle, then a long silence.)


Paul: Um, this is still a great place to see a game.

Minny: Really? That's all you got?

Paul: Give me a minute.

(Sound of jet flying high overhead, then quiet.)


Paul: Baseball is still a beautiful game.

Minny: Great. We're in cliche-land now.

Paul: Wait 'till next year?

Minny: You've got to be kidding.

(Sound of hoses cleaning the empty concourses.)


Minny: Paul, you still love the game, right?

Paul: Of course.

Minny: Me too. But sometimes I wonder why.

Paul: Look, you love it for the same reason I do -- because it's an art: you know, an apparently pointless affair, undertaken by people with a special aptitude, which sidesteps attempts to paraphrase its value yet somehow seems to communicate something true or even crucial about the Human Condition. The Human Condition being, basically, that we're alive and have access to beauty, can even erratically create it, but will someday be dead and will not.

Minny: That's beautiful, Paul. Did you just think that up?

Paul: Naw, I heard a couple of guys down in those seats right there talking about some new baseball novel. "The Art of Fielding." Chad Harbach. It's from that.

Minny: Oh.

Paul: Kinda sums it up, though.

Minny: I suppose.

(Sound of a single golden leaf falling gently onto the warning track after wafting in on another cool breeze.)


Paul: Gonna be a long winter.

Minny: Yep.

Paul: (after a pause) Are you going to let go of my hand?

Minny: Nope.

Paul: Oh, OK then.

Minny: (after a pause) One more time? To Harmon?

Paul: To Harmon.

(There is no sound. And no one is there to see neon hands shake one more time.)

If you haven't already, be sure to enter the 2011 Playoff Challenge. Once again, there are prizes!

Comments


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Was it ever announced who the players to be named later were for the guys we traded away or are they not ever gonna tell us because it would show that they screwed up again for not getting anything for the trades.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 05:00 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 1

The PTBNL in the Young trade turned out to be Lester Oliveros. In the Thome trade, according to BS, names were exchanged but no agreement could be reached so the Twins settled for $20,ooo. And no, I'm not making this up.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 07:32 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 2

Thanks, Rick, for another fine season here...if not on the field. It is a little painful to see the countdown clock at 192 days...long winter indeed.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 09:48 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 3

The only thing I could think of in the last two months of this season is how Bill Smith didn't want to Jeopardize this teams future by trading away prospects for Cliff Lee last year. I know he doesn't have a crystal ball but they had a chance to make a good team better and make a run in the playoffs. After this year looking ahead to next season and I'm having difficulty coming up with anythings to look forward to. The rotation is made up of a number 3 starter in Pavano and a bunch of guys who might fill the 4 and 5 spot on half the teams in baseball. The most ripened of prospects just had Tommy John surgery and will be out all of next season and now you have to wonder about his future. Anybody else got a positive thing I might have missed?

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 4

I love how everyone talks (TV/Radio/fan interviews) about their favorite moment of the season being the Lirano no-hitter and the Thome 600 HR, both of which happened to occur away from TF.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 11:15 AM by tk Highlight this comment 5

are favorite moments supposed to be confined to the home ballpark? Half the action does occur on the road you know.

That said, my favorite TF moments of the season would probably have to be Swarzak (combined with Capps and Burnett) throwing a 1 hitter over Anaheim with Twins winning 1-0 in 10 innings (I was there) and the catch Revere made against the CF wall.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 11:34 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 6

I see that the three Skankees-Tigers ALDS games scheduled so far are all in prime time. I'll try to keep you up-to-date on any other shocking developments.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 11:58 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 7

Stevie B,

I guess I was just reflecting on a couple of the major highlights from the year and how these were the high points of the year, and how the magic didn't happen at home.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 11:58 AM by TK Highlight this comment 8

I would put Nathan's debut at TF up there as a top TF moment.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 9

What a difference between two organizations. Francona has a bad month and gets shown the door (will Epstein be next?).
Gardenhire totally was inept as a manager this year, never going after the players (other than Valencia) and keeps his job along with his other cronies….coaches. There is something that needs to be said about him not having a winning record against ANY team in the East and a marginal record against the teams from the West. Winning the Central is nice, only IF you do something with it in the play-offs!

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 12:49 PM by bphj Highlight this comment 10

Fire Francona? For this collapse? That would be crazy.

If you want to change directions, or maybe have someone else you've been grooming, OK. But what happened over the past month was not his fault. He's a damn fine manager.

Epstein's fault? Maybe. That roster did look pretty old at times, although it also looked pretty stocked at times. Is Carl Crawford's year Epstein's fault? Francona's?

And Gardy's just about the best there is. He certainly has blind spots, but it would be crazy to blame him for 63-99 when he sent his opening day lineup onto the field exactly once.

What was revealed this year, however, is some serious weakness in the farm system. If you want to improve the Twins, start with the talent evaluators and the minor league staffs. And a new GM might be just the thing to make everybody sit up and pay attention.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM by Rick 11

Wouldn't it be nice if they all of the sudden canned Gardenhire and brought in Francona, a manager that has won 2 world series in the last decade? Ahh...to dream.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 1:16 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 12

Rick-

People would sit up and pay attention only if that GM were to come from OUTSIDE the organization. Otherwise they would be another Terry Ryan minion, like Bill Smith, something the Twins do not need.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 1:21 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 13

It appears the White Sox will strongly go after Francona if he and the Red Sox part ways.......

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 1:31 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 14

Being a Terry Ryan disciple, or even a current Twins employee, isn't the problem. The right person is the right person regardless of pedigree.

Smith just plain isn't very good. He's not the right person. He's a Ryan "disciple" who never quite got what the master was teaching (so to speak).

Maybe he will improve, though this year would indicate that we could be waiting a long time for that to happen.

But a Terry Ryan clone? Bring it on!

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 1:31 PM by Rick 15

The minute Francona is available, there will be 10 teams ready to fire their current managers and bring him in.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 1:34 PM by Rick 16

Not ballpark related, but Twins related.

Looks like the Twins do not sell your e-mails to other businesses, but they will just forward other business advertising.

I am sure most of you received the Best Buy TV advertisement through your Twinsbaseball.com e-mail, to which I always click do not subscribe, but always end up getting the damn e-mails.

Not trying to advertise further, but if you click my name you will see the advertisement has nothing to do with baseball or the Twins.

Poor choice of use if you ask me.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 1:47 PM by tk Highlight this comment 17

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the job Rick Anderson does? I think he needs to go. Name one starting pitcher on the Twins staff that has improved since arriving from the minor leagues.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 2:15 PM by FD Highlight this comment 18

I got the same Best Buy spam within the past hour.

I've never clicked 'unsubscribe' so fast! Not only was it not a Twins-related product, there wasn't even a Twins-related discount or something. It was just a dumb Best Buy ad with a tiny Twins graphic at the top.

Whoever put that boneheaded thing together should be shown the door along with BS.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 2:28 PM by Rick 19

High points of the 2011 season? Hmmm...

Saw a couple of walk-off wins this year at Target Field, those are always fun.

Watching Jim Thome drive in runs.

Ben Revere playing defense.

Seeing a bunch of 'kids' that could have some impact in future seasons (some people will say this is a 'low point', I'm OK with that.)

Bert becoming a Hall-of-Famer.

Catching a ball tossed by a Twins player during batting practice. (Sure, I'm almost 50 years old - but it made me feel like a kid!!)

Nathan taking the closer job back, and doing a pretty good job of it.

Hopes for 2012: A healthy lineup! Nishioka playing like the ballplayer I think he can be. Having a couple veterans back on the roster (Cuddy? Kubel? Thome??) Revere running the bases. Beautiful nights at the ballpark.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 2:49 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 20

Didn't I read that Andy MacPhail might resign from the O's, if I remember wasn't he involved with a couple of World Champions?

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 3:27 PM by trebor651 Highlight this comment 21

TK - you are right there was not a lot of magic at TF this year. I guess I just read the emphasis of your statement incorrectly (I might be prone to that in comment sections).

jctwins - Nathan's TF debut was electric. Such a good feeling at the ballpark opening day. A late inning rally, a win and our closer back on the mound getting it done. Sadly it did not take long for that feeling to wash away like diamond dirt in a downpour.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 3:35 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 22

Every time you got to feeling good Butera would walk up to the plate.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 4:13 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 23

My best moments at the ballyard this year include a come-from-behind walk off hit by DREW BUTERA - that's right, a walk-off hit by Young Andrew - on July 3 against the Milwaukees; Nathan's save in a come-from-behind win in the home opener; and Tosoni's walk-off double eight days ago. Even in as poor a season as this one was, there were fun moments.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 4:22 PM by terry Highlight this comment 24

Problem is those moments cost about $250 apiece. Or, maybe, it's all relative.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 4:26 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 25

$250? You watch the games from a different neighborhood than I do.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 5:16 PM by terry Highlight this comment 26

Well, either way, I would prefer more moments in order to cut down the per moment cost for all of us. Do we deserve less?

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 27

Wow, Young just said Thank You Minnie for allowing me to get to the Postseason with a first inning HR of of CC.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 7:43 PM by TK Highlight this comment 28

at $5022 for 2 seats in 103, I got three games worth attending, a 17-0 loss to the Dodgers, and 7 people who don't want in on buying our tickets next year.

I think TF may turn into the "place not to be seen" next year!

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 8:59 PM by mj Highlight this comment 29

Add Delmon Young to the list of players who went from Nothing to Something (at least temporarily) after shaking off the Twins Way.

Kyle Lohse starting a playoff Game One? The world has gone all topsy turvy.

Playoffs 2014: MVP Catcher Drew Butera's Bat Lifts Yankees To WS Win

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 9:48 PM by Rick 30

"this is the revenge of reality"

--- Heinz Guderian

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 31

Butera isn't qualified to be the Yankees bullpen catcher.

the Yankees bullpen catcher (whoever he is) could probably hit .180 if he had the chance to play in as many games as Butera did this year.

but the Twins won't sign him... the guy probably makes twice what Butera does, as a bullpen catcher.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 10:27 PM by mj Highlight this comment 32

for all the nostalgia, and romantic history baseball has...

it's all kind of silly without a salary cap.

In the NFL... Green Bay has no competitive disadvantage against the NY Giants.

maybe that's part of the reason why EVERYONE watches the Superbowl, and the World Series is a yawn fest every year.

JMHO... just thinking and typing out loud.

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 10:45 PM by mj Highlight this comment 33

imagine if the NFL was like baseball...

the Cowboys would have Aaron Rodgers, Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen... and pretty much everyone else they wanted!

Sidney Rice would be on their practice squad!

Posted on September 30, 2011 at 10:56 PM by mj Highlight this comment 34

This is a radical idea for reviving World Series interest and it would make Allan Selig gasp. Go back to playing the games in the afternoon. The games would be played in better weather conditions; the results would get better coverage on national evening news shows and morning papers; the games wouldn't have to be played well past most kids' bedtimes; and the games would have the allure of forbidden fruit as workers and students figure out ways to watch them (weekday afternoon games during the NCAA basketball tournament get watched). The owners and TV execs would never do it so we'll never know for sure, but I think it would increase interest in the series.

Posted on October 1, 2011 at 09:25 AM by terry Highlight this comment 35

Our teacher let us listen to the 1968 Series on the radio in class. But only as long as we behaved and continued to work while the game was on. Never have I been in such aa well-mannered, diligent classroom.

Posted on October 1, 2011 at 11:35 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 36

I had never thought of that aspect: better coverage on evening news and morning papers. I like that, and the nostalgia appeals to me. But it is hard to imagine them doing it.
Being able to easily watch on television in "prime time" does appeal in the present, but thinking back to best childhood memories of games, I often think of those I heard on the radio, or getting updates throughout the day from other kids or adults. World Series games, of course, but also the Giants/Colts NFL championships, high school basketball tournaments when they were a big deal, Gopher games, etc.

Posted on October 1, 2011 at 4:08 PM by robin Highlight this comment 37

I think the Brewers are going to win the World Series. It certainly would make sense the way things are going. I actually have nothing against the Brewers, it would just complete the circle with the Packers and Badgers.

Posted on October 1, 2011 at 4:37 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 38

Did the Tigers take some advise from the Twins tonight?

Posted on October 1, 2011 at 9:45 PM by TK Highlight this comment 39

"We will rally" Really??

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM by TK Highlight this comment 40

lol tk...I'm assuming you're referring to the mass email from the Twins today.
Those were my sentiments exactly..."really"??

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 41

Note to the Vikings: If you're trying to extort hundreds of millions of dollars for a new stadium out of a municipality, it usually helps to win a game every now and then.

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 42

Well, I give the Twins credit for turning off the positive-spin-shooter for at least a paragraph. This line seems especially unusual in its brutal honesty:

But ultimately, this season failed to live up to the high standards of baseball for which the Minnesota Twins organization has become known.

Of course, as we all know, it's exceedingly difficult to rally when the game is over.

But through this email they have publicly committed to improvement, and that's something.

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:40 PM by Rick 43

I just realized that I shouldn't assume everyone got that email, so here it is in its entirety:

We will rally.

It wasn't exactly the season we had in mind either. Coming off our sixth division title in nine years, we approached 2011 with our sights set on repeating and exceeding. Unfortunately, we fell far short of those expectations. Yes, there were injuries. Yes, there were some heartbreaking losses. But ultimately, this season failed to live up to the high standards of baseball for which the Minnesota Twins organization has become known. And we are just as disappointed as you are. But we promise to use this disappointment to motivate us to a better 2012. We will rally.

This season was not absent of some incredible moments. We cheered future Hall-of-Famer Jim Thome as he blasted his way toward 600 career home runs, a feat matched by only seven other players. We celebrated a Francisco Liriano no-hitter. We marveled at Ben Revere's over-the-shoulder, Willie Mays-esque catch. We witnessed Joe Nathan return and notch his team record 255th save, And we all rejoiced as Bert Blyleven earned baseball immortality by finally gaining his rightful place in Cooperstown.

But perhaps the most incredible moments were provided by you. As your smiles showed, Target Field continues to be the shining jewel of Major League Baseball. Day in, day out, through wins and losses, snow, sunshine and rain, even hail, you were there - showing off your Twins colors. You proved to all the world that loyalty, indeed, lives in Twins Territory. We are eternally grateful.

So, fans and friends, let's all turn our hats and rally toward 2012. After all, there are only 139 days until pitchers and catchers report for Spring Training.

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM by Rick 44

Must be nice to be a Wisconsin sports fan right now...Brewers, Packers, Badgers all on a roll...Packers very well could go to back-to-back Super Bowls, Badgers could go to back-to-back Rose Bowls, if not, the BCS National Championship game at the rate they are playing and of course the Brewers are well on there way to the NLCS and very well could win it all the way they are playing right now.

Meanwhile, in Minnesota, we continue to hit rock bottom in all sports. At least we have the WNBA's Lynx!!

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM by mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 45

I'm not going to endorse or condemn any plan for a Viking stadium. All I will say is whatever decision is made should not be made on the basis of anything so transitory as how the team is doing THIS year.

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM by terry Highlight this comment 46

Rick, "The Art of Fielding": does it live up to its billing? The SI editor who excerpted part of it was raving about it, not as a sports book per se, but a great novel in its own right.

Posted on October 2, 2011 at 10:14 PM by robin Highlight this comment 47

I don't know about any email --- but the "We will rally" was contained in a full page ad in today's Strib.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:00 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 48

Does anyone buy the " --- just as disappointed as you are --- " line? They have a huge pile of $$$ in which to drown their "sorrows" - all we have is bitter taste.

The level of play we are seeing in the playoffs is really in stark contrast to what we had to watch all season.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:08 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 49

The level of play we are seeing in the playoffs is really in stark contrast to what we had to watch all season.

So very true. It's almost shocking. Sometimes I wonder whether I'm watching the same game. Any of these teams is capable of coming back from a huge deficit, and they don't seem to give up -- no matter what.

And exceptional plays from one side seem to stoke the other side. They seem to enjoy watching one another play the game.

Clearly, the Twins were not fun to watch this year -- for either us or the opponents. It suppressed the excitement factor in the opponent's dugout as well.

I'm not in the "fire Gardy" crowd, but one thing the Twins will need going forward is an unwillingness to pack it in once they're down by a few runs. That's the type of thing which the manager really has responsibility for -- although it's also the purview of the resident sparkplug.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:42 AM by Rick 50

There is an institutional malaise which I do not think current management knows how to deal with - or is willing to deal with. I really think "Gardy" has shown us everything he has and it just flat ain't enough. We need more of a "hey you!" type manager and no more of this Nishy, Cuddy, Morny, etc. nonsense. And, it has become painfully obvious that BS is a moron insofar as baseball is concerned.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 01:06 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 51

Kind of makes you wonder just who the "baseball" people are in the front office. They seem to be running a highly successful business, which is something, but that ain't necessarily baseball.

Hypothetically speaking, if the manager did need to be fired, would Jim Pohlad realize it? DSP? BS? Jerry Bell? Are any of those guys qualified to make such a decision? Even collectively?

And I'm not trying to be flip, but just who is Gardy's boss?

It feels like I'm onto something here, at least insofar as we might explain the culture we've observed from the outside.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 01:23 AM by Rick 52

I'm sitting here thinking about this and wondering just who sets the overall organizational tone for the Twins. In the Calvin Griffith days, the answer was obvious. And in the Carl Pohlad days, his highly-competitive nature, combined with Eloise's passion for the game probably did it.

But Jim? We just don't know yet. But one thing I did not hear in the recent Strib interview was somebody who was driven to win. He sounded more like a caretaker than a deeply competitive leader.

This is not to criticize his style -- which can't be fairly implied from a few interviews here and there -- but to acknowledge that every competitive organization needs a highly-competitive individual (or brain trust -- wait, no, it has to be an individual) setting the agenda and pushing the organization as a whole.

Just where is that institutional killer instinct going to come from? That's a question the Twins also need to be asking themselves (and I know that we, the fans, should continue asking).

In Green Bay, it comes from the fans. Now, that's an interesting thought. Ben, you wanna start a revolution?

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 01:36 AM by Rick 53

Yep when we all have the Lynx to hang our hats on! Man how low has the sports in this town gone? Anybody on the suck for Luck campaign? 0-16 for the purple. Gophers will not win a big ten game. Could the Gophers beat UMD St. Cloud or St Thomas? I have my doubts! Gonna be a long fall and winter. The we will rally ads made we want to vomit! They really didn't say how they were going to rally did they? LOL!

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 08:52 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 54

In case anyone is interested, they have come out with more information regarding The Interchange project. Click my name for a link to the conceptual drawings and a timeline of sorts for the project.

Would a Twins Hall of Fame building work on this plaza? I don't know if the accessibility is there.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 09:15 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 55

Carl may have been highly competitive, but in what regard? His forte was banking - he got his start tossing people out of their homes. And, I'm not even so sure about the Eloise passion bit - everyone seems to conveniently forget how quickly Smilin' Carl raised his hand when MLB asked for contraction volunteers, where was she then?

Jim Pohlad is an inherited money puke. He relies on his lieutenants to increase the family's wealth and assumes they know what they are doing because dad hired them. DSP learned a long time ago that kissing ass in this organization makes up for serious shortfalls in native intelligence. He is very smooth, able to charm a rabid wolverine, and knows the boss would rather hear about the day's take than the score of the game. BS is a bean counter/administrator/sales and yes-man who follows DSP around looking for tips on how to become a better marketing weasel. He needs to find a baseball primer and read it, preferably on someone else's watch. Gardenhire is everyone's pal. If you are well educated and/or capable of independent thought he feels threatened - but will want to be your pal as soon as you quit putting on airs and start seeing things his way (notice this is NOT the "Twins Way"). He only knows what TK told and/or showed him and TK apparently held back a few things.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 09:58 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 56

I think one of the most prevalent consistencies in the organization back to and through the days of winning is Tom Kelly. I believe Carl was either very lucky or very smart to hire him, and he became the "baseball" brain of the organization.

I think to this day if a baseball based decision needs to be made, TK is going to be the go-to guy. I'm not sure he wants that much power (Or I'm sure he doesn't), but I believe to Rick's point, the business organization is really depending on him to have it.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:26 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 57

I should add that I believe TK is a baseball genius, but I also could speculate he hasn't evolved with the game, which may be hurting them overall. Of course if they perform well the team will be hailed for not changing styles in the face of the game changing.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:28 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 58

Kevin Smith is another one who has learned the art of kissing ass within the Twins organization.

Remember in 2000 (or whatever year it was) when Chris Clouser was brought in as an outsider to run the Twins?

He was an outsider (NW airlines) and probably wanted to do things his own way so that explains why he didn't last long. In all honesty, I do not know the full story behind that Clouser hire, but he sure didn't last long in the Twins organization as CEO.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 59

It seems pretty clear to me that either TK isn't talking or nobody is listening. Even if his views are becoming fossils they are light years ahead of what "we" have. The current FO, and organization in toto for that matter, knows as much about baseball as a pig knows about Sunday.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:05 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 60

Sorry about the negativity --- watching the playoffs has jarred me. There are places where real baseball is played and we seem to be oblivious to that fact.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:07 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 61

Kevin Smith is no more than a mouthpiece, is he not? Several of the FO guys are pretty much no more than continuous loop recordings - which is a big part of the general problem. Someone needs to pay attention to baseball in regard to the game itself and not just the revenue it generates. This assumes they give a RA about the fans, which seems to be an issue.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:56 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 62

Duplicate entries are not allowed in your contest..yet Truwilgo, Nowilgo and Vicwilgo are all playing?

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 1:10 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 63

"We will rally"

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 1:13 PM by tk Highlight this comment 64

They are also ineligible for prizes. That my wife, Vic, and my kids Noah and Truman! And, yes, they all did their own picks -- even three-year-old Tru.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 1:13 PM by Rick 65

Cute. By the way Rick --- did you know that you can reset/reuse the countdown timer someone gave you? Maybe the days until the voting public wises up?

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 1:34 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 66

We are hoping to drive down to Milwaukee for some great tailgating and some NLCS action next week!

Should be exciting, just gotta win one of two in Arizona!

Miller Park sure looked energetic and exciting for the first two games....retractable roof or not, it sure beats the lonely Target Field right now...

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 1:43 PM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 67

Re: Art of Fielding, the New Yorker also had a great review of it recently. That and Joe Posnanski's Buck O'Neal era book are at the top of my offseason reading list.

And, to quote the still-wonderful Batgirl: "The offseason sucks."

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 68

Mike, we too, are trying to get across to Miller Park, but likely having a non-Wisconsin address has likely played into the factor of not being selected for their random drawing for tickets. Everyone in MN that I had spoken to seems to have been denied the chance to purchase.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 3:15 PM by tk Highlight this comment 69

fiesta - I enjoyed the Posnaski book a lot. Have you visited the NL Museum in Kansas City? I was there shortly before Buck passed away and was able to meet him. Wish I could have spent a day or two with him just listening to stories.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 4:04 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 70

I see your points here. The Twins front office suffers from a dearth of “baseball men.” Not like in the decades past when the Twins were run by the Griffith family, who certainly had to be called baseball men. If only we could return to those years when every decision was a baseball decision and not a financial one. Years when the Twins hung onto their stars and were a constant presence in the playoffs and World Series.

Sigh…

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 6:31 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 71

If the Lynx traded in the basketballs and high tops for bats and gloves, do you think they'd beat the Twins too?

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 6:44 PM by luke Highlight this comment 72

LOL Winona Mike. Yeah I remember those Griffith years when every decision was a "baseball decision" - like letting Hisle, and Bostock go via free agency while trying to sell the fans on the idea of Willie Norwood and Bombo Rivera being worthy replacements? Dave Goltz and Bill Campbell lost to free agency? Rod Carew "traded" to the Angels for essentially Doug Corbett? The Twins' scouting department may have been a good one, but the front office decisions were financial decisions - NOT baseball decisions.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:11 PM by terry Highlight this comment 73

Seems as if some in the baseball world have noticed Minnesota's suckiness...

From the TBS booth after Delmon Young's second HR of the ALDS series vs the Skankees:
"I guess he just had to get out of that Twins uniform."

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:21 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 74

And Kenny Landreau had a 31 game hitting streak one year, but everyone knew that his time in a Twins uniform would be short-lived. Why didn't Ol' Calvin leverage the Twins to the hilt and field a winner back then? That's what a baseball man would do, wouldn't he?

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 75

Games only the Twins can dream of an play on PS3.

Young the hero.

If at the beginning of the year you were to tell me that Young would lift a team to 2-1 series lead of the year, I wouldn't believe you.

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM by TK Highlight this comment 76

Hmm, makes you wonder if Delmon Young the Twins' very own canary in a coalmine...

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:56 PM by Rick 77

year = Yankees

Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:58 PM by TK Highlight this comment 78

I especially like how Ron Darling said "don't throw Delmon Young a first-pitch strike" about two seconds before he hits a first pitch strike over the fence.

Why, why, why would anyone not throw a first pitch in the dirt to Delmon Young?

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 07:38 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 79

Damn, I feel terrible now Rick. But I do think maybe the kids should be eligible, they are just kids, and if a 3 year old can pick a series better then me, I am all for it!

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 08:31 AM by JoJo Highlight this comment 80

Not twins related, but I am looking for some advice. We are coming in from SD for the vikes-broncos game in December, are there any locals of minneapolis that would give me a yay or nae on staying at the normandy inn best western downtown? I usually only stay at the City Centre, but I can get the room for 100 less that night?

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:59 AM by JoJo Highlight this comment 81

It was good enough for President Ford - whatever that adds up to.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 11:12 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 82

Anyone else notice the Vikings are offering 50% discount again to this week's game? Third game this season (out of 3) they have offered the discount (limited to certain sections, I imagine). Would think this would be a big slap to the face to ST holders in or nearby those sections.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 11:47 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 83

Wonder if our infielders are doing some drills?? Might be the time to start practicing. Lord knows we need it. Who thinks Cuddy stays? We know the mad crapper has left the building and state for good. Give Nathan the 2 mil buyout and then what 2 years 5 mil max? He is cooked in my book. With Morneau saying he will be the DH and the baby jesus at first. We will need a catcher.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:04 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 84

The Twins have the telephone fan forum tonight at 7:10 with Bill Smith and DSP...they have some questions to answer and some explaining to do so it will be interesting.

Will be a good listen while at the same time, I watch Detroit WIN the ALDS...something the Twins can't seem to do....

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 85

The vikes have the new campaign for 2011 season. It's called suck for luck. Can we beat out Indy? St Louis, Seattle and Miami for Luck?? 0-16 will give us a shot. Best shot at a win might be Arizona at home otherwise they should run the board.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:09 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 86

Wonder if DSP will ask where my season ticket check is?

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:10 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 87

I'm happy to see Delmon being a difference-maker. This guy was awesome for us last year. He was just a victim of a dysfunctional situation...where stars are babied and overpaid, and Valencia is blamed, and Delmon draws the ire of the fans because he screwed up one play badly. If the Tigers get to the World Series, or even the ALCS, it is probably thanks to Delmon and that HR last night. The Tigers just took advantage of Bill "buy high sell low" Smith...it's a common strategy in MLB.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:11 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 88

I got my apology for sucking email from the Twins last week. I really wish they'd quit pimping Thome's 600th and Cisco's ugly no-hitter, neither of which was enjoyed at Target Field. So, we're down to a "Willie Mays-esque catch" by Revere. My personal highlight of the season? Opening Day, arriving two hours before gametime, soaking in a beautiful day, and watching Nish get a warm standing ovation from the Target Field crowd while on crutches...long before anybody knew how bad he was.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM by twinswschamps2011 Highlight this comment 89

It will be interesting to hear what they say tonight about the farm system. Anyone who was paying attention to the dismal numbers down in Rochester the last couple of seasons should not have been too surprised that there was little help available when all the injuries started snowballing. They'll draft high this year and it is critical they get it right, i.e. draft the right players and get them signed.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 3:48 PM by terry Highlight this comment 90

"Gerald Ford Slipped Here"

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:02 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 91

Just curious if those of you who complained about this sign will still complain when it is replaced by a giant bullseye?

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:01 PM by duffman Highlight this comment 92

As a person who has studied marketing, the Sanford people were genius to place the sign where it was.

I think Target would be foolish not to utilize that space.

However, my concern about the Sanford sign was that it was just tacky looking. If Target is to put some money into the sign and illuminate it, I think it would look nice.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:32 PM by TK Highlight this comment 93

This STH phone call is pointless. BS and DSP do not answer any questions. Every answer is "that's something we'll have to evaluate in the near future." Maybe the moderators won't send through tough questions, but come on guys. It would be nice to hear something we don't already know.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM by FD Highlight this comment 94

This is good -- and surprising -- news. I had not heard that Target re-upped on their naming deal. Just a couple of years ago that seemed pretty unlikely.

The thing to realize about that Sanford sign is that it represented the only advertising (if you exclude branding associated with either the arena or ballpark) visible from the plaza. The Ballpark Authority fought for that principle and Target came on board in their design of the plaza (which contains mostly muted, partial bull's-eyes that count as branding and are recognizable mostly in aerial shots only).

The distinction between "advertising" and "branding" is significant, though you are forgiven if you consider it sort of arbitrary.

As such, it's almost impossible to imagine a giant bull's-eye going up there unless it's part of a brand new Target Center arena sign, which I can totally imagine. In fact, there's no way they'll sell that space to someone else, and no way it'll be left blank. Thus, a new "Target Center" sign is a virtual lock.

The other factor, of course, is revenue. The Twins always tried to claim the high road on the issue, but had they gotten paid for it, they probably would have just settled right down.

With Target, deeply intertwined with the Twins, controlling the space, you can be sure that everyone will be on the same page with whatever happens up there.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:01 PM by Rick 95

Rick-

Branding and Advertising are the same thing, there is no distinction.

I posted this video before and I know it's a sitcom, but if you think about it JJ has a point.

Also TK what was so tacky about it, it's a sign, no more tacky than a giant bullseye. I can honestly say I never noticed it or thought about it while in the plaza.

Also if you noticed, the Twins did get paid by Sanford. After that sign went up, all of the suddent the injury report on FSN was sponsored by Sanford, and the Twins magically stopped complaining about the sign.

For the record, I never cared about the Sanford sign. It was one more advertisement in a sponsored plaza. Speaking of the plaza, why was this supposed to be a place free of advertising anyway, who cares. Not to mention there were hundreds(?) of people's names (sponsors) on the tradition wall or what ever the hell it is called.

My point is the sign or whatever sign replaces it is not a big deal.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM by duffman Highlight this comment 96

Duff - there isn't?? Gee, I always thought branding was the logos, corporate identities, etc. that identified a company. Advertising was money spent on getting that identity out to the general public, through print, online, television, what have you. Sure, they're sort of the same thing, but Target (for example) puts its logo (its brand) on envelopes, letterhead, and other corporate materials. I don't consider that advertising.

Rick - I agree, I think a new Target Center sign is definitely needed. "Target Center" is displayed above the main entrance, but it pales in comparison to the well-lit "Xcel Energy Center" or "Target Field" signage. The Target Center entry sign is at street level, whereas the X and TF have them high up so they can be seen further away. That's the kind of signage Target Center needs IMO.

Personally, I'm glad Target Corp. re-upped the naming rights for the TC (a five-year extension I think??). With TF, it just wouldn't have made sense to have Target Field, Target Plaza and Best Buy Center or Land O' Lakes Arena.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 97

It just looked like it was put up there with no design purpose and looked out of place. It could have had a nice border surrounding it, not something that looks like they just slapped it up there.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:25 PM by TK Highlight this comment 98

Branding is certainly a form of advertising. But it is most definitely a very specific subcategory.

You may recall that I felt the same way about that sign -- i.e. no big deal. But to people who worked very hard to establish a certain character for the plaza (namely, a civic amenity), it was a poke in the eye.

I get that, and will be glad to see it gone.

Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:30 PM by Rick 99

If it were a huge "Citgo" sign, or roof-top "Budweiser" sign, would anyone have objected?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 01:56 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 100

Good point Winona. Well, we already have a huge Budweiser sign...
Citgo, I might have been offended a little. I always associated a huge Citgo sign with Fenway Park, and a big Citgo sign on TC might make the Twins look merely like copycats (even though the Twins don't put signage on TC).

I think alot of people had problems with the Sanford sign because nobody around here really knew what Sanford Health was...and all of a sudden, they had this huge-ass sign on TC (arena, not bear). If Best Buy, Grand Casino, Pepsi or any other recognizable brand put their sign up there, I don't think anybody would have cared.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 06:25 AM by luke Highlight this comment 101

The roof of that one house across Waveland Avenue from Wrigley Field has always had advertising. WGN radio on the peak of the dormer and beer, formerly Old Style and now Budweiser, on the main roof.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 08:39 AM by terry Highlight this comment 102

The painted rooftop across from Wrigley is now United Airlines. I was surprised to see that on my trip there this summer but I don't know how long that has been that way.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 08:53 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 103

Anybody win any of the "fabulous prizes" at the STH call deal?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 08:57 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 104

I always thought it was the other way around. Branding is the overall process of building up the public's connection with the product or company. Advertising is just one way they do it. (Sponsoring a particular charity might be another way to build a brand's positive image, or cross-marketing, etc.)

But that's all largely semantics for this discussion. The point, I think, is that in a space intended to be park-like, there was consensus among the parties that the amount of commercial distractions would be deliberately minimized. The city liked that idea. The team did, too, since it permitted even greater focus on the TEAM as the dominant commerical entity in the plaza.

That Sanford sign was both distracting and cheap looking. It WAS just slapped up there. And given its huge size and prominent location, added to the lack of other similarly crass commercial attnetion grabbers, it was the visual equivalent of running the same stupid 30 second commercial over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Of course, in the end, we're talking about an urban, generally commercialized environment, so none of this is terribly surprising or something to get seriously worked up over. This isn't about billboards in the Boundary Waters...

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 10:01 AM by BR Highlight this comment 105

I appreciate the final quote that was given by Target..."We'll figure out another creative and unexpected way to connect with the Twin Cities."

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 10:17 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 106

"The city liked that idea."

One of the most interesting things about the "Sanford Sign Saga" is that the city had to actually change an ordinance to even make the sign possible in the first place. And, in a sort of doofus move, they changed the ordinance without getting anything in return from Sanford or the Wolves (like, for example, a lease extension or commitment to contribute to Target Center upgrades). They totally gave away their leverage.

In other words, the primary reason that sign went up in the first place is that the city is largely run by the clueless.

In following the Target Field story for many years now, I'm no longer shocked to hear that the city of Minneapolis government did something that was not in its best interest, while some other private organization or individual tried to either stop them or clue them in.

Frankly, if the city government had its way, the Twins would still be in the Metrodome (or maybe Bloomington, or even Washington, DC), the mill ruins would have been leveled with the rest of that neighborhood in the 1960s, and the Foshay Tower would still be the tallest building on the skyline.

The long tail of this approach and general cluelessness is the mayor's current preference of the Dome site for a new Vikings facility. This is despite the fact that there is a growing chorus of people who recognize that it won't work and have proffered much better alternatives (and, no, I'm not talking about Arden Hills).

Of course, Rybak may also want to stay in the good graces of the Strib, who would benefit from rebuilding near them, and will no doubt be covering his reelection campaign at some point.

And look at what's happening now. The city is not the one trying to fix its mistake. Target (a private corporation) apparently made getting rid of that sign a part of their new naming deal. They used their leverage to undo a stupid move by the city.

They may ultimately benefit, of course, and their relationship with the Twins was an additional factor, but it's still a case of a private entity stepping in where the city government messed up.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 10:26 AM by Rick 107

is there any way we'll ever know how many of the 25000 STHs renewed, and how many canceled? An actual honest answer?

will the "on deck circle" have 5000 mythical people in it next year?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 10:35 AM by mj Highlight this comment 108

Maybe I should have gotten a temporary PO Box in Milwaukee, no luck on the NLCS ticket drawing.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 10:48 AM by tk Highlight this comment 109

Twins Live Chat with Joe Christensen going on right now.

An indication of how it will play out:

12:04
Comment From Doc
Any thoughts on when will the team wake up and get a real GM?
12:05
Joe C.: I believe 2012 is a big year for Bill Smith and his administration.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 12:06 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 110

Joe C. also commented later that it is not the "Twins Way" to fire after one bad season. When have the Twins fired management (Front Office or Big League staff)?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 12:33 PM by tk Highlight this comment 111

I am watching this chat too, Joe seems to make as many excuses for the Star Tribs reporting as the Twins do for their players.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 12:56 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 112

I'd really like to see a list of all questions asked, looks like a lot of tough questions get left out and easy ones get selected, especially the one's where people use the actual name of players as there screen-name.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 1:07 PM by tk Highlight this comment 113

Rick:
That IS an interesting twist on the Sanford sign story. Do you know where you read/heard about the ordinance change? Seems odd, given the statements at the time by city council members (Goodman?) opposing the sign. Why didn't the council members make more of a stink?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM by BR Highlight this comment 114

I don't believe that part of the story was ever reported. It was essentially swept under the rug.

I heard it from more than one source who was directly involved.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 2:02 PM by Rick 115

A couple lines from an e-mail the Twins sent to STH today:

"Thousands of Twins Season Ticket Holders have begun renewing their season tickets for the 2012 season and we hope you are one of them! If you haven’t yet renewed your 2012 season tickets, now is the time to submit your first payment using one of 3 payment options, including the interest-free Easy Pay Installment plan."

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM by tk Highlight this comment 116

How about the "I'll pay when the team wins" season ticket plan?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 117

F_T_K, I would be all about that option. However, until that happens, the best bet is to use the StubHub, I will select games for cheap season ticket plan and save $100's.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 2:31 PM by tk Highlight this comment 118

The deadline for ST renewal has come and gbone, has it not?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 2:55 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 119

The ordinance was change in 2006 so that 1st Ave. could have a more "Time Square" feel to it, not specifcally for this sign. This sign was a bi-product of that change. A few years ago they did the same thing for east downtown so that the Vikings could generate more revenue but placing those giant signs above the enterences, and "Mall of America Field" on the dome itself. Why was no one crying foul when that introduced advertising into the previously untouched Kirby Puckett Place, an area similar to Target Plaza? (Except no Target advertising)

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 2:56 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 120

The first of many e-mail they will have to send to beg us back. They will have to bust their butts this year. Honeymoon is ovaaaaaa as the Hawk would say. I would expect the phone calls will be coming next!

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 2:57 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 121

Would you throw $12 mil a year at Buherle or Cuddy?

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 3:13 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 122

Ben,

I think they are continuing to go after season ticket holders who have not renewed. I think they may be going under the assumption, "oh all these people must have forgotten the deadline," opposed to the alternative of, nope they just didn't want to renew.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM by tk Highlight this comment 123

Well, at least they are giving those who are merely forgetful a second chance instead of immediately diving into their huge "on deck" pool. Thoughtful, as always.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 4:26 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 124

Yes, but I wonder how many people are telling them, "nope, not renewing, that is why you have not received my renewal information"

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 4:36 PM by tk Highlight this comment 125

People not renewing are not required to say anything. I imagine the Twins are nudging them in hopes that they intend to renew and just haven't yet even though they've had their chance. I always thought maybe the Twins would not care given the waiting line. So, either the shortfall in ST renewals is not covered by the "On Deck Circle" or they are just making sure everyone has had their chance even to the point of offering a second one? By the way, they nudged me and I had already renewed - so this is apparently a blanket deal.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 126

Ben, I thought in the renewal packet there was a space to indicate if you did not plan on renewing. Oh well.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 5:07 PM by tk Highlight this comment 127

tk ---

I think you are correct in that there was space for you to check and then mail in. There was a blurb about doing either something like that OR calling your rep and declining the renewal offer. The point is that these were requests, not imperitives - renewal was not automatic unless declined in some manner. People here commented that doing nothing would send "the message" as clearly as actively checking a box or conversing with a rep. This is presumably the teams last gasp in regard to current STH before they open things up to the wait list. If they subsequently/later go on a "still some ST availability" campaign that will be telling.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 6:32 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 128

It's each individual STH's decision whether to renew or not. All I would say is being a baseball fan is like being a player in the stock market; be in it for the long haul. I can remember terrible seasons followed by great seasons, e.g. '61-'62; '64-'65; '68-'69; '83-'84; '86-'87; '90-'91. And even in the terrible seasons there were memorable events that you remember with joy. In the midst of an out-of-contention 1966 season, my dad took us to a mid-week afternoon game in which the Twins turned the first triple play in team history. Enjoy those moments. Enjoy the here and now and hope, as the fans of all but one team does each year, for a better "next year".

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 9:13 PM by terry Highlight this comment 129

I think you nailed it there, terry. I mean, think of Red Sox STH's and how long they had to endure the Curse of the Bambino before winning a WS. Now, the Sox are consistently one of the teams to watch in the AL East.
I have no idea how Cubs STH's do it, year after year - with nothing to show for it. For most of them, it's gotta be the love of the game. Certainly can't be the performance on the field.
You mentioned that triple play in that 1966 game. Amidst a pretty lousy 1990 season, July 17 was a good day: the Twins turned two triple plays against the Red Sox. I still have the newspaper clipping from that.

Posted on October 5, 2011 at 9:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 130

3 of the 4 Division Series' are going all 5 games....And even though Tampa Bay lost their series 3-1, they still managed to win one game in the postseason and they also made one hell of a run down the stretch (in a very tough division) to earn the Wild Card berth. It goes to show teams can win in October...except for the Minnesota Twins who seem to get swept in three games.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 09:15 AM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 131

For those of you who are into such things --- the 1991 "Commemorative" bobblehead sets are being delivered. Mine, of course, arrived damaged.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 132

c'mon, luke. Seems like you would be available to post something or another, what with the latest big Italian courtroom drama all but a faded memory.

Oh, wait... there's that spellbinding Jackson doctor thing... Never Mind.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:06 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 133

From DSP:
Looking at local TV numbers for '11 season. Twins ranked 8th in MLB with an average rating of 6.0 on @FSNorth. Twins fans continue to amaze!

It's funny how they try to take a negative and spin it into a positive....the local TV ratings were down 28% from 2010 and the Twins went from #2 in MLB to #8. Overall, the ratings were still strong compared to other MLB clubs.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:53 PM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 134

Luke has been very quiet as of late, I am worried.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:54 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 135

"It's funny how they try to take a negative and spin it into a positive"

Not really funny at all. This is how they spend most of their time rather than figuring out how to field a competitive (beyond AL Central) baseball team. The rest of the time they spend slapping each other on the back over "their" new park.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 12:59 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 136

I can think of one quick way to raise their TV ratings back to where they were...

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM by Rick 137

the Pohlads are chuckling at the saps padding their wallets. And Baby Jesus is laughing his ass off in Fort Myers!

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM by mj Highlight this comment 138

Jesus should do another dozen commercials in the offseason... each showing him hitting a HR at Target Field.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM by mj Highlight this comment 139

"Luke has been very quiet as of late, I am worried."

Can someone go over to his house and look in on him? Maybe there's been a gas leak.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:39 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 140

Joe Mauer and James Brown's "Superbad." Because when you think of funk and soul, you think of Joe Mauer.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 141

JoJo and Winona...perhaps it's because I've been busy with a new job as of late and don't have all fucking day to listen to your inane comments?

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 142

I'm hearing Luke has reconnected with his old flame Joanie. No time for all the nonsense at Rick's site.

Flex that pimp hand Luke...

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:34 PM by Max Highlight this comment 143

Two things come to mind while watching this game:

1. Jim Leyland is a very good playoff manager.

2. John Smoltz is a great commentator. But I bet he'll make somebody an even better pitching coach someday.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 9:54 PM by Rick 144

Great to be watching a game and feel the heart pounding a bit again.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:28 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 145

and it's A-Roid striking out to end it. What could be finer?

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:42 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 146

And THAT'S how you beat the Yankees. I hope the Twins' FO was taking notes. ... Wow. Did A-Rod not look old in tonight's game?

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:42 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 147

A-roid goes down swinging. What a perfect end to the Yankees' season.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:42 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 148

What a great game. Yeah, my heart's been pounding through these last innings as well.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 10:43 PM by Rick 149

I couldn't help but think of Joe Nathan out there giving up the game-tying home run to A-Rod in the 9th and the Twins eventually losing...

Delmon Young setting a Detroit Tigers franchise record with 3 home runs in the ALDS....

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:19 PM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 150

OK, I have to admit that the whole Delmon Young thing is pretty troubling to me.

We've heard it reported that he didn't have much respect for the coaching staff here, and we've seen the difference in his level of effort based on what he thinks of the team he's playing for.

The question is: What do you see when you look at the Twins organization through Delmon's eyes, and how much stock should we put in that?

Though this really remains to be seen over the long haul, it looks right now like he's got another gear in his offense (and maybe his defense) that we just didn't see. How much should the Twins organization be held responsible for that?

Could have been just a bad personality fit, I suppose (we've also heard that said), but I'm starting to think there's more to it than that.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:40 PM by Rick 151

Maybe it's just that stupid, stubborn, and uncoachable is what he USED to be?

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:51 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 152

Delmon's 2010 season didn't happen by accident nor was it an accident that the Rays picked him #1 overall in the 2003 amateur draft or him being runner up for Rookie of the Year in 2007 or his revival in Detroit. Some of his demise in Minnesota was due to his bad attitude and some of it was due to the Twins organization not getting the best from him. I'm not sure of the percentage. All I can see is the Twins let go of a 26 year old player whose arbitration eligible in 2012 and can't go as a free agent until 2013 for apparent peanuts, and that really makes me mad. If you don't retain an asset, at least convert him into an asset of equal or greater value. It sure doesn't look like that happened with this trade, even looking at where Oliveros and Nelson might be down the line.

Posted on October 6, 2011 at 11:54 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 153

Good to see the Yankees lose.
Max, I have no idea who the hell you're talking about - cause the Joanie that you're having an affair with spells her name differently than the girl I dated last year.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 06:16 AM by luke Highlight this comment 154

Delmon's attitude was known to be a question mark before the Twins traded for him. Remember the fifty game suspension in the minors? Maybe he's especially motivated now in Detroit, but I'm guessing somewhere down the line he will do the equivalent of the "go fetch" play in Detroit.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 08:01 AM by terry Highlight this comment 155

Anyone can play well for a short stretch. Don Kelly was 5-13 with 2 HRs in this series. We know Young has talent, but he's not the most driven guy around. I don't think you can blame a coaching staff when playing for millions of dollars and the potential for even more isn't enough to get a guy to work hard.

In Detroit, there are a lot of veteran players (V-Mart, Ordonez, Buehrle, etc.) around whom Young probably felt somehwat obliged to hustle, at least as the newbie. And they were in the playoff chase, which provides additional excitement.

But let's see what Young does over the long haul. Let's see if he's still chasing after balls in the OF if Detroit's playing sub-.500 ball in June next year. I certainly don't disagreee that the Twins gave him up for little; that fits with Billy Smith's buy-high-sell-low track-record thus far. But it's not as thought Young did much to maintain his value with the Twins this year...

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 08:23 AM by BR Highlight this comment 156

Call it change of scenery. But, given how many players seem to benefit from a scenery change should not one wonder about the scenery?

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 08:39 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 157

While a lot of it is the player himself, I think you have to take a long, hard look at the Twins coaching staff and their approach as an organization when it comes to player motiviation/productivity.

Just reading Delmon's comments about his hitting approach in Minnesota and Target Field compared to Detroit goes to show something is not right in Minnesota. Same thing can be said looking back at JJ Hardy's comments this summer comparing Baltimore's rehab approach to Minnesota in relation to his wrist injury last year. It's becoming more and more obvious that something is not right in Minnesota in regards to the coaching staff and organizational approach, especially when dealing with injuries.

Delmon showed some very good flashes in 2010 and I have always had high hopes for him and his future but it probably wasn't meant to be in Minnesota and it would not surprise me one bit if he ends up being an AL MVP contender in the future.

So while everyone will say the Twins got rid of him too early...I think the real issue is the approach by the Twins coaching staff and organization because there is no way Delmon hits 3 HR's against the Yankees in the playoffs in a Twins uniform. And when these players start talking to other players and their agents, good luck trying to find some potential FA's that will want to play here in Minnesota...especially with the difficulty hitting in Target Field not to mention the "baby me" attitude of a majority of the players. The one true leader on this team in my eyes is Michael Cuddyer and he is a FA.

This is the time of year when the great managers distance themselves from the good managers and you see that in Jim Leyland, Joe Maddon, Charlie Manuel, Tony LaRussa and Ron Washington. All of whom have proven they can win and lead their teams in October regardless of who they are playing.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 09:21 AM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 158

I am going to throw this out there too...perhaps the extra effort from Delmon is partly due to the fact that he knows he has something to play for. The tigers have a very real chance at a WS title and he is "trying" to go out there and get it, perhaps even "earn" it.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 09:33 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 159

Rick - how does the playoff challenge scoring work for picking the correct # of games played in the series? 2 pts for ALDS/NLDS if you get the # of games right but how does someone score 3 if they pick the winner but incorrect # of games? Is it 2 pts for nailing it and 1 for being one game off? Just curious since the "up to 2 points" isn't clarified in the rules.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 09:58 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 160

Just to further our own misery, let's review the record of the New York Yankees in the last 10 years of the ALDS. Can we detect a pattern of any sort?

2011-Lose to Detroit
2010-Defeats Minnesota
2009-Defeats Minnesota
2008-Yankees miss playoffs
2007-Lose to Cleveland
2006-Lose to Detroit
2005-Lose to Angels
2004-Defeats Minnesota
2003-Defeats Minnesota
2002-Lose to Angels

I'm sure we all realize this, but it's still striking to see. You wonder how many New Yorkers are pulling for the Twins in the Central division races.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:00 AM by gone buggy Highlight this comment 161

...there is no way Delmon hits 3 HR's against the Yankees in the playoffs in a Twins uniform.

That's a pretty sad statement, but I have to agree. In fact, it seems kind of obvious. And the reason for that is what needs to be figured out.

I talked to someone in the sports merchandising industry who said, in all seriousness, that the Twins are viewed by the other Major League teams as something of a joke. Rubes out in flyoverland.

One has to wonder about the internal culture of the club (insert Boy George joke here -- no wait -- please don't). I mean, "pitch to contact" has just got to go, as does a hitting approach which appears to undervalue home runs and, well, hits. (Yes, there is such a thing as a good at bat which does not result in a hit, but that only applies now and then.)

Finding the source of some of this dubious "wisdom" seems pretty important right now.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:07 AM by Rick 162

Interesting that over those 10 years the Yankees have only made the World Series twice (2002 & 2009) and only won it once (2009). That's a fairly low success rate given the spending model they employ.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 163

The Yankees have made the playoffs 16 of the last 17 years and have gone to the WS 7 times during that time. I think they are getting their money's worth.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:50 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 164

Stevie B,

In the Division series, if you pick the correct winner, you get 2 points. If you pick the correct number of games, you get another 2 points. You lose a point for each game that you're off from the actual total.

For example, in the series just ended:

- If you picked the Yankees, you get 0 points.
- If you picked the Tigers, you get 2 points.
- If you picked the Tigers in 3, you get no extra points.
- If you picked the Tigers in 4, you get 1 extra point.
- If you picked the Tigers in 5, you get 2 extra points.

Basically, the max you can get for correctly predicting the number of games is 2, and you lose one for each game you're off.

In the Championship series, the max number of points for predicting the games is 6 (or 2 for each game).

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM by Rick 165

When it comes to hitters, one would have to look at the hitting coach and how the manager wants the Twins to hit.

It has been oft mentioned that when the Twins take batting practice, the coach is there and tells them the situation and where they want them to hit. Clearly I am not a major league coach, but shouldn't they allow the guys to hit with the objective they put the ball into play and not get an out?

If Delmon continues on this pace, it will be treated like when Ortiz left. Everyone was glad for him to be gone, but then he went on to be one of the most feared hitters in the AL, and people looked at the Twins as though they made a mistake.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:13 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 166

It was widely standard in at least some educational systems to take a left-handed kid learning to write and force him/her to write with the "right" hand - both literally and figuratively, even to the extent of tying the left hand behind the back. This practice resulted in a lot of screwed up kids. This analogy might not be as far-fetched as it sounds.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 12:25 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 167

is Mauer even going to try playing next year?

will he hit 10 HRs in his career at TF? predictions?

I predict 1 HR for Mauer, 3 for Morneau, and 14 for Parmalee next year.

and Valencia the Jackass will hit 15 for a different team.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 2:20 PM by mj Highlight this comment 168

Parker Hagerman does a great job in churning some numbers which show just how the Twins might actually obtain a home field advantage at TF.

It's intriguing stuff, and none more than this little passing nugget:

Kubel’s first two months of the season showed that the key to having success (at TF) is simply keeping the ball on a rope.

By this, he means that hitting line drives is the only way to keep the natural updraft in the place from messing with you.

We've all seen this. Get the ball up even a little bit and something in the wind currents pushes it up and back, often turning potential monster hits into easy outs.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I'm starting to wonder if one way of getting some offensive balance in the park is to somehow close off the bowl in right. I'm not going to go into the whole reasoning now, but as cool as the street view is through the plaza, it may be drawing in unwelcome air currents.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 2:31 PM by Rick 169

and I'll go out on a limb and predict that Nishioka will hit zero HRs next year.

also, I predict that Anthony Swarzak will win less than 20 games.

and I predict the Twins will make a strong showing and finish ahead of the Royals next year.

and I predict the Pohlads will make more $ than all of us together could count in a year.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 2:40 PM by mj Highlight this comment 170

Can I predict that the hot dogs will still be terrible?

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM by Rick 171

.919 HRs per game this year at TF. That's 20th out of 30 ballparks.

it's not like TF is the f'ing Polo Grounds!

Jose Bautista hit 5 HRs in a 3 game series there this year.

other teams can hit HRs there... the Twins cant.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:01 PM by mj Highlight this comment 172

The Hebrew National stand turns out a good dog, but the Schweigert dogs are definitely pretty bad. For the record the Hormel dogs at the Dome were nothing to write home about either. The Twins offer a fair amount of concession variety at Target Field, but still need to catch up on the quality aspect. There truly are few signature items really worth going out of your way to get.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 173

Those wind currents have made announcers look a little silly at times. In his later years Harry Caray was really poor at judging flyballs. He'd start his "it might be ..." shtick on balls that were barely medium deep. We chalked it up to age - and maybe a few martinis - catching up with him. But you don't expect that from Dick Braemer and yet there were a number of times this year when he got all excited about fly balls that ended up being caught short of the warning track. The park "plays big" as they say.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:06 PM by terry Highlight this comment 174

" --- but as cool as the street view is through the plaza, it may be drawing in unwelcome air currents."

Unwelcome to whom? Need I point out that the other team is dealing with the same parameters?

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:08 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 175

I thought anything would be an improvement over the Hormel dogs at the Dome. I was wrong. These are way worse. I've completely sworn them off -- all three varieties.

Sad when there are four kinds of hot dogs at a baseball park and three of them are so bad. (Haven't tried the Hebrew National yet.)

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM by Rick 176

I don't want to see Bautista hit 700 ft. HRs... instead of 470 ft. HRs after they fix that!

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:15 PM by mj Highlight this comment 177

My suggestion on the dogs is stop at Holiday and bring em in! They are hands down much better than any dog in the park. The new brats are pretty tasty also. Course 2 fer $2.00 not bad either. Wonder if the Krmarzek boys would put some fried onions on them for free?

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:24 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 178

I'm just thinking back to the original stated intent of the club, who wanted to build a "fair" (which I took to mean "neutral") ballpark. In most park factors it appears that they built a pitcher's park -- although admittedly not quite in the extreme that Twins hitters might have us believe.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:31 PM by Rick 179

The Hebrew Nats are (predictably) good as is anything from a Kramarczuk's stand. By far the best thing is a salami or pastrami on pumpernickel from home if you really can't go three hours without food.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:32 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 180

actually... I think I would like to see that. I was surprised to see a guy who is obviously not on steroids hit like that.

I think he weighs all of 195.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:34 PM by mj Highlight this comment 181

The intention, I believe, was for a "neutral" park. We have to assume the wind currents were either not predictable or not taken into account.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:43 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 182

The Twins were always careful to use the word "fair", which I always took to mean "neutral" but could never get anybody to actually say.

It seemed weirdly evasive at the time. After all, "fairness" and "neutrality" are not synonymous ideas.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM by Rick 183

any park is neutral... if the fence is a mile away, or 100 feet from the plate... the better team usually wins.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM by mj Highlight this comment 184

According to Wikipedia "The Twins opted for a "neutral" park --- "

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 3:58 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 185

Yes, neutral to the teams, but not necessarily to the offense and defense, which is what Park Factor supposedly measures (though I've looked at that formula and I'm not entirely convinced).

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:00 PM by Rick 186

Wikipedia is, unfortunately, not very reliable in that regard.

In fact, I'm rewriting the entire Target Field entry as we speak, trying to repair some of the glaring errors and omissions.

(Though I am glad that your own edit stuck, Ben! That was an omission which very much needed to be rectified.)

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM by Rick 187

Separate subject: I love the moment when I realize I'm going to be watching meaningful baseball for the better part of the next eight hours!

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM by Rick 188

A lot of things the Twins have tried just blew up in their face...

Mauer...Nishioka...Morneau...

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM by mj Highlight this comment 189

Schweigert.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:09 PM by Rick 190

What is must feel like to have a series deciding game at home in the playoffs...

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:13 PM by tk Highlight this comment 191

Mauer and Morneau?

well... they are currently being paid for how they played 2 years ago.

and now they are both injured... and cant play decentbaseball anymore.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:15 PM by mj Highlight this comment 192

and I cant seem to use the spacebar correctly.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM by mj Highlight this comment 193

Rick --- What got me going on the Wikipedia piece is that the pole was said to have come from a VFW Post - was that your doing?

As far as Delmon hitting 3 dingers in the playoffs in a Twins uniform - certainly not, especially since he would only have three games to do it in!

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 5:15 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 194

No, I haven't had anything to do with the Wikipedia entry until now. In fact, none of my major revisions are there yet (only one small one).

The terrible state of the page was brought to my attention by a stakeholder in the project, who asked that I work on a replacement. I started to make corrections to individual items, then realized it was too much of a mess to fix one gaff at a time.

Even so, I'm going to have to do it in sections...

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 5:45 PM by Rick 195

Niger Morgan might be a good baseball player, but a class act he is not.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 196

...and a former Twin scores the winning run...

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM by Rick 197

Delmon hits three home runs in the Detroit series.

Go-Go scores the winning run in the Brewers series.

At this rate, LNP will hit the game winning home run in the Cards' series.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 9:03 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 198

TBS analyst: "Punto has been a big part of this entire game."

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 9:59 PM by Rick 199

And I almost forgot: How weird was it to see 40-year-old Henry Blanco out there catching for the Diamondbacks?

My spouse said, "You mean his knees still work after all those years catching?"

Imagine that.

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:05 PM by Rick 200

Well, I don't know Ben (in regards to comment 178).
Last year the Twins complained about the shadows from the trees in CF. I didn't hear too many complaints about the trees from the other teams.
Now that TF is sans trees, the Twins did even worse than they did WITH the trees.

You know, it's funny - opponents would piss and moan about the Stupid Dome: the speakers, drainage holes, the color of the roof, etc. and the Twins used those elements to their advantage (for those who forgot, it was called "Dome-field advantage").

Now - it's the Twins that piss and moan about TF: the trees cause glare! Move the fences in! And for God's sake, the color of the batter's eye is too light, make it darker! Well, it doesn't seem to me that opponents have had too many problems with those elements, now have they?

Perhaps Populous made TF a neutral park for the home team only?? (that was mostly a joke Max, calm down).

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 10:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 201

Great ballgame!

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:31 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 202

Indeed, and it looks like you must have has a crystal ball!

Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:49 PM by Rick 203

Mirrors ---

I'm going to miss all but the first game or two of the LCS and most of the World Series (Europe) so won't know what's up 'til it's mostly over. I'm leaving Luke in charge, by the way - if you guys are unable to locate him then I guess no one will be in charge.

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 204

if you need a good laugh, click my name.
Linked you will find the celebration piece that will be used to celebrate Marlins' home runs in their new Docking Station for the Mother Ship next season.

At first glance, you will say to yourself: "What the holy fuck is that"??

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 08:13 AM by luke Highlight this comment 205

Still never got why all the hate for the hormel dogs at the dome. I loved those things, in fact going to the Vikings Packer game and can't wait to have one, out of the warming drawer of course.

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:14 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 206

I agree Duff...I didn't mind the Hormel dogs. I think Hormel makes good products and good hot dogs. The taste was ruined by the way they were handled at the Dome IMO. Pre-cooked, wrapped in tin foil and put in a warmer. That's not the way hot dogs should be done...

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:25 AM by luke Highlight this comment 207

I'll retract that a bit, it's NOT just the Dome, I realize that. That's the way it's done in a lot of ballparks and stadiums.

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:27 AM by luke Highlight this comment 208

"Can't wait" to spend $5 on a crummy dog out of a warming drawer in a stuffy building full of drunks? Gotta be sarcasm!

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:33 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 209

No sarcasm at all. Granted its not a home made sandwich that some cheap asshole would bring to a game, but its still pretty good. (That part was sarcasm)

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:24 AM by Duffman Highlight this comment 210

Stop me if you've heard this one before - Delmon is out with an oblique injury.

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:28 PM by terry Highlight this comment 211

lol terry

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:28 PM by luke Highlight this comment 212

Delmon is showing those Tigers teammates how to not play with a minor injury. After all he learned well from his Twins teammates.

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:06 PM by bmjundt Highlight this comment 213

was that just a random comment... or did someone here bring homemade sandwiches to a Twins game?

will they let people in with a picnic basket? Is there any policy about bringing in a small charcoal grill, to cook up some burgers or brats during the game?

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:11 PM by mj Highlight this comment 214

"Cheap assholes" is the main ingredient in Hormel dogs, Duffman!

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:18 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 215

I took advantage of the nice weather in the late morning and early afternoon by riding my bike around town, including a pass by Target Field. Peering through the Hrbek gate, the field was being watered and is as green as you'd expect for mid June. Today would have been a tremendous one for playoff baseball. It was odd looking at the park with the calendar saying early October, but the weather saying late July and knowing there won't be another game there for about six months.

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:32 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 216

I hope this weather gives the grass a chance to recover fully before winter. It was looking pretty ragged in those final weeks...

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:35 PM by Rick 217

TBS had that pitch tracker graphic up for every pitch -- as it was delivered -- and it was very interesting. You could tell immediately what the pitchers were trying to do, and where the ump was at.

Fox only shows it once in a while, and only after the pitch, not live. It's amazing how quick I got used to having it there all the time, and how much I miss it now.

Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:47 PM by Rick 218

Enjoy your dog Duff - be sure to wash it down with an ice cold Coors Lite.

Posted on October 9, 2011 at 01:05 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 219

I really enjoyed the 1/2# dogs at the Brats and Brew stand at the Dump.

Posted on October 9, 2011 at 01:26 AM by tk Highlight this comment 220

Well I suppose most people already know this but will post anyways. Al Davis owner of the Oakland Raiders has died at the age of 82. But I suppose mount Davis as some people will call it will still live on untill something better comes along I guess.

Posted on October 9, 2011 at 03:26 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 221

Like several cruise missles.

Posted on October 9, 2011 at 03:45 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 222

I'm going with general soreness.

Posted on October 9, 2011 at 09:56 AM by Rick 224

General Soreness? Wasn't he court martialed for incompetence at the Battle of Kenesaw Mountain?

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 07:29 AM by terry Highlight this comment 225

Bilateral brain weakness?

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM by Rick 226

Interesting Tweet from Jim Souhan this weekend:

Told by a few national scribes that atmosphere at Miller Park for playoffs has rivaled or surpassed Metrodome circa 87,91.Wish I were there

Things are definitely going well in Wisconsin right now between the Badgers, Packers and Brewers....Packers are the defending Super Bowl Champions and are currently the best team in the NFL, Badgers are coming off of a Rose Bowl trip and are ranked #4 in the country and are the best team in the Big Ten and the Brewers will likely win the National League Championship Series and possibly the World Series considering Philadelphia and the NY Yankees have been eliminated.

When was the last Rose Bowl for Minnesota Football? When was the last Super Bowl for the Vikings? Not to mention, they are 0-4 in Super Bowls. Even the Twins' 1991 championship has been 20 years ago now.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 227

The Bucks are a better team too, just imagine if Wisconsin had a hockey team!

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:04 PM by tk Highlight this comment 228

LOL...the Bucks....LOL LOL LOL. OMG that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Besides, the NBA is cancelling the season this year anyway.

And, the football Badgers just came off a huge win against the Huskers, too. I don't think we'll be able to say that about the Gophers.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 1:33 PM by luke Highlight this comment 229

Since the initial deadline on September 26, I have already received two reminder emails and two phone calls from the Minnesota Twins to try to convince me to renew for 2012.

Maybe there are more STH's cancelling than the Twins thought? If there was such a high demand on the "Waiting list" than perhaps the Twins would not be so proactive in trying to get current STH's to renew for 2012. Wouldn't they simply want to go to the "On Deck Circle Waiting List" for potential STH's?

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 230

That's a good thought, Mike - but I wonder if people have perhaps dropped out of the On Deck Circle as well? Maybe the roster of people on the waiting list is starting to grow thin...? Of course, if that is the case, lots of people are losing $100 deposits.

At any rate, the two emails sounds like desperation on the Twins' part.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 231

One reminder = good faith
Two reminders = scrambling
Phone calls = desperation setting in

It will be interesting to see if they go on some sort of STs available campaign.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 5:19 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 232

If you can, pick up last months issue of Minnesota Business magazine. My office had one sitting out today and I looked it over. Last month was a special MN sports issue discussing the economic impact of MN teams/stadiums/new stadiums/etc. Most of you are probably more into the economics than I am but it was pretty interesting and I suggest having a look, even if most of the Twins and Vikings numbers seem to be well known around here.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 7:52 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 233

Speaking of economic impact (or lack thereof), clicky. Apparently TF will have a quiet neighbor for the next several weeks.
No T-wolves for the forseeable future.

Oh well.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 9:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 234

Just when you would think Knoblauch has turned the corner with the StarTribune article, you get his Twitter controversy. Click name for the article.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM by TK Highlight this comment 235

maybe Luke "hacked" his account, it does read like the work of Luke.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:05 PM by TK Highlight this comment 236

Just saw Moneyball - Excellent Movie! It may as well have been about the Twins. Even "Everyday Eddie" and the Twinks got some screen love.

Posted on October 10, 2011 at 11:12 PM by lindywig Highlight this comment 237

"our records indicate that we have not yet received payment for your 2012 ST that was due on Sept 26."

well... perhaps that's because I called and told you very clearly that I didn't want them on Sept 26th...

Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:05 AM by mj Highlight this comment 238

Fuck that, TK. I hate Twitter and rarely use it (except for PROFESSIONAL reasons).

Posted on October 11, 2011 at 07:54 AM by luke Highlight this comment 239

lol mj. The Twins brass really are desperate to retain STH's aren't they?

Posted on October 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM by luke Highlight this comment 240

36+ hours on inactivity. Long off-season indeed.

Posted on October 12, 2011 at 2:42 PM by tk Highlight this comment 241

"It's each individual STH's decision whether to renew or not. All I would say is being a baseball fan is like being a player in the stock market; be in it for the long haul. I can remember terrible seasons followed by great seasons, e.g. '61-'62; '64-'65; '68-'69; '83-'84; '86-'87; '90-'91. And even in the terrible seasons there were memorable events that you remember with joy. In the midst of an out-of-contention 1966 season, my dad took us to a mid-week afternoon game in which the Twins turned the first triple play in team history."

Terry, this is not a strong analogy. It is NOT like being in the stock market. Stocks have value. If your stock is no longer considered an asset, or having value, it is sold. You don't hang on to it hoping it turns around. It would be foolish to hang on to your Yugo stock. So to that end, I'd suggest that throwing potentially thousands of dollars at season tickets when the product shows little value as being foolish -- not being a bigger fan. Remain a fan, but don't be stupid by buying a sh!tty product when you know it's a sh!tty product.

The Twins, right now, are sh!tty stock.
TTH

Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:04 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 242

I'm only holding on to my stock, because I have enough dumb shareholders :)

Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:15 PM by tk Highlight this comment 243

Very true, TTH.
Maybe we'll all have to invest in Lynx season tickets next year. They're cheaper for sure, and the product on the court produces results.

Also a good point, tk. And, with the T-wolves season heading rapidly towards cancelled status, we're going to have to find other stuff to make fun of. It's gonna be a loooong winter sports season in these parts.

Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 244

Rick we need a post, losing steam out here in SD!

Posted on October 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM by JoJo Highlight this comment 245

Putting the finishing touches on one this minute...

(Got tons in the can. Lacking time to polish them...)

Posted on October 13, 2011 at 10:48 AM by Rick 246

I know that it has been on Facebook and around Twitter today, but thought I would post here. Partial Season Ticket Plans games announced.

CLICK HERE or name for link.

Posted on October 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM by tksota.twins.mlb.com (aka tk) Highlight this comment 247

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For those not wishing to suffer through my media rant, please enjoy this picture of my lilacs in full bloom.






Concept drawing of Coomer gate (click to enlarge)



Fifth Street louvers way up close






Not me, but it might as well be.






I noticed this detail while taking the previous picture. I figure that it must be the VIP entrance from the surface parking lot. I don't think there is any parking inside the ballpark, so this entrance will likely be for suite-dwellers and other VIPs, though I can't say for sure whether players will enter here.



Hit gap, win suit!



(Click to enlarge greatly)






Seville's certainly will benefit from 81 games a year played about a block away! (When I walked by on this day, the place looked deserted, but I stand corrected!)



The Pantheon (with inset of the magic eye)



Condiments! (complete with faux limestone on the cart -- nice touch)



At TF, you never know when you may bump into a Pohlad



Reverse view, now looking down Sixth toward the park. The Met Stadium flag pole will be right there!



An escalator was going in the day I was there.



This will be a great neighborhood. Note that the covering is being built for the emergency access. Also, note the streamers above, which appear to be monitoring air flow.









I don't know if the back side is also a test for materials, but it could be a hint of how the exposed steel supports will be finished. Or it could just be to hold up the stone.






A final glimpse from the street of stadia installation along the left field line



Another look at the outfield stands (Photo by Tom Sweeney, Star Tribune)






An ice cream salad cone -- er, Walk-a-Taco



Home Run Porch Terrace








Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

Selected Bibliography - Analysis
 


(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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