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September 3, 2010 2:04 PM

From above, Target Field looks something like a spinning baseball. The building projects constant motion, with jets of energy leaping from its corners into the surrounding space.

It might have been enough just to have these jets as superficial elements of the facade, but all have been finished off into dramatic, and highly functional, spaces. The Metropolitan Club and pro shop reach out with the canopy on the plaza side, while the Town Ball Tavern balcony extends the other end of the canopy toward Fifth Street and the trains.

In between, at the home plate corner of the ballpark, an equally dramatic jet honors perhaps the greatest Twin of all, and his Hall-of-Fame, home-run-filled career.

Harmon Killebrew's career home run total is appropriately carved into the signature limestone, to give the 573 Club its name. Carrying the theme throughout the room are large photographs of his classic swing.


This mural is behind the staircase. The window looks onto the promenade, and the door goes to a kitchen.


This looks from the base of the stairs, behind the big pillars, toward the street.



These images are found at the top of the staircase, which leads to the Suite Level.

Killebrew's autograph adorns a bar which evokes the gigantic piece of lumber that home run hitters bring to the plate. (An earlier idea to have the bar made entirely from an uncut piece of ash was scrapped when the cost estimate came in close to a million bucks.)

The purpose of the space during games is really just for lounging. But it is available for rental for special events on non-game days.

Daylight (pre-game)


Night (about the 7th inning)


Compare this picture, from the open house in March, with the one above and you'll see that some furniture reconfiguration has taken place.


Unlike Hrbek's (which is directly below this space), I have never seen the 573 Club teeming with people. It definitely has a "club" feel, but not a "bar" feel at all. And while there are monitors available to keep up on the game, they are sort of downplayed. This is a place to come when you need a little quiet time away from the game, perhaps to take or make a call.

Balconies extend the space over the sidewalks and out into the neighborhood.

Looking from the doorway to the south, across Seventh Street


Looking up Seventh Street to the west


At the end of the balcony you can see down the promenade.


Looking back toward downtown from the end of the balcony


The Hrbek gate is directly below. It's a lively place after a game.


Looking back toward the doorway into the club

And, like the other spaces in the Legends Club, memorabilia is on display.



Two additional spaces are directly adjacent to the 573 Club. This map of the Club Level should help in orienting your view.

As you exit the 573 Club back into the Legends Club hallway, you run right into the famous "quote wall" which is just outside the press box.

To the left of the quote wall, around a corner, is the security desk for the press box, one of the many places in the park where small gatherings of people can be seen preparing for the event just before the gates open.

Directly across from the quote wall, to the right as you exit the 573 Club, is a fairly large retail store.

The Legends Club retail store is just visible at the right of this picture.

Finally, you've probably seen this in plenty of images, but right at the turn in the hallway, where the three Legends Club areas meet at the press box, a gigantic Twins logo is embedded in the floor.

There's no mistaking who this place belongs to, or who among the legions of players which have worn the uniform has made significant impact on the character of the club.

I fully intended to squeeze seat width and sightline talk into this post, but it got a little long. I had a rare opportunity to do some actual measuring and was more than a little surprised by what I found. That will have to wait until next time.

When the tour resumes: Metropolitan Club, Town Ball Tavern, Hrbek's, Twins Pubs, and the Suite Level.

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Maybe it should be the 574 Club, now that Thome surpassed Killebrew at Target Field.
Just kidding, Max.

Posted on September 3, 2010 at 6:43 PM by luke Highlight this comment 1

Your previous post about last night's game was generous....that was some serious mismanagement of both the game and the roster, given the expansion on 9/1. It may cost us a few more wins, in a series where we basically are playing for the #2 seed. How did that happen after 9/1? It was a 13-inning game...not a 22 inning marathon.

Posted on September 3, 2010 at 7:04 PM by mhalv68@gmail.com Highlight this comment 2

So the Twins are wearing the throwbacks tonight. I thought that was a Saturday deal? Also, D-Span decided to change it up tonight and go with the short pants look instead of the pajamas look with the pants over the shoes. Did he just start that tonight or recently? He didn't have them that way tuesday night. Must be trying something new to break out of his recent slump.

Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:32 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 3

With the season nearly over, I can't decide which was a bigger letdown about Target Field: all the snow outs or the horrible smell from the garbage incinerator. :)

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 12:14 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 4

Guessing the throwbacks are for the 50th anniversary commemoration this weekend.

Haven't seen any discussion on this...the Twins have taken the no number gate and added a huge smoking area outside the gates there. I'm not crazy about it, cause now I have to walk by about 50 smokers when we come in the doors. It is good to see though that they are trying some new things around the park.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 12:23 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 5

Does anyone know where I could find details on the legend's game this weekend? It's Sunday before the game, right? Time? Who's playing? etc.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 12:30 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 6

Jared,

Span also changed the at-bat music, or someone did and changed back after he got a hit...

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 01:01 AM by tk Highlight this comment 7

Also, at the game on Thursday a panel on the "out of town scoreboard," "big screen" and the "hr porch view marquee" all went out at some point either before the game or during.

Saw a Twins IT staff in the elevator carrying a Daktronics box, and italked to him for about 15 seconds on our way down 1 level, and was only able to get a brief statement that he was indeed on his way to the "out of town scoreboard" and unfortunately I did not have a great chance to engage about the issues with the scoreboards, but it appears Thursday night was the night the pieces started to go out.

Got me thinking, how often do they/will they need to replace the various components of the screens?

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 01:11 AM by tk Highlight this comment 8

Anyone have pics of the Calvin Griffith statue?

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 02:35 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 9

Was at the game tonight, and I was pleasantly surprised (well not really surprised)to see everyone wearing long sleeves/hoodies/jackets in preparation for what was undeniably a chilly game. Doesn't matter that we're outside, we know how to dress for the weather!!!

Also, had the cheeseburger with fries from the hennepin grill, it was great for the price!

also also, saw 1 vendor selling frozen lemonade at the start of the game and never saw him again. My friends and I couldn't help but imagine that he went to a couple sections then went to his boss to tell him that he wasn't going to sell frozen lemonade on a night as cool as this!

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 03:45 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 10

I wish they wouuld wear the cream colored throwbacks more often, those jerseys are sweet. Also with they would quit wearing those blue softball jerseys so much!

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 07:21 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 11

Good call JCTwins. That fact slipped my mind.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 09:34 AM by jared Highlight this comment 12

Also have noticed over the last couple of nights more bulbs are burning out on the Minnie & Paul sign. When they shake hands, the arms goes out both up and down, so you have to guess he has an arm because you see parts of the hand. Surprising because those are the pieces that are lit least often. Maybe going on/off is hardest on the bulbs like that. Could see something change with that in the future.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 13

I think I remember reading that all of the lighting on the Celebration sign is LED, designed to look like neon.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 12:59 PM by Rick 14

The missing lighting on the celebration sign may concern something going wrong with the connecting wires rather than the lights themselves burning out.

On that note, during Thursday night's game, a portion of the main scoreboard to the lower left went black for a while. It seemed like some sort of computer error. They rebooted the board a few times and eventually restored it to full functioning.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 1:40 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 15

Jared, I was at the game last night and as the Twins took the field I immediately noticed Span had the high socks look going. I wish more young players would try that look, especially with those wonderful 'throwback' jerseys.

I was in row 1 of section 236, looking straight down on Span as he made that first inning catch. Very cool!

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 2:44 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 16

Bring back stirrups.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 5:20 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 17

Anyone know when the gates open for Sundays game? I know they have that Legend Game at 12:30, but not sure when gates will open.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 18

Gate Times/Locations

Target Field gates open for admittance 1 - hours prior to the first pitch for Monday through Thursday games, and 2 hours prior to the first pitch for Friday through Sunday games.

So I got my two boxes from part 2 of the guaranteed giveaway and both Minnie and Paul bobbleheads were broken as was one of the Mini Target Field replicas.

Any other STH's who purchased the "guaranteed giveaway" receive any broken items??

Anyone know if the Twins STH/promotions department is doing anything about these broken bobbleheads and Mini Target Field replicas?

I am going to the game tomorrow and will talk to guest services about this. I am sure I am not the only person who received broken bobbleheads and/or mini Target Fields.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 11:06 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 19

Hey Josh,

I had the same question about gate times. The game was originally scheduled for a 1:10 start, but now the twins website lists the game time as "first pitch at 2:10 after pre-game activities". I would guess that they are going to stick with opening the gates at 11:10, even though the Twin's game won't start for another 3 hours.

Mike,
Yes they had a lot of breakage with the booble heads. There is one person that is handling all of the replacements. I don't have his name or number any longer. He is taking names and addresses and is in the process of having replacements made and shipped to us. I was told that they would be here in September. I'm sure someone at guest services would be able to put you in contact with the right person.

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 11:21 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 20

"I don't have his name or number any longer"

Alex Hover

Posted on September 4, 2010 at 11:48 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 21

Can anyone tell me which restaurant is most affordable at TF? Town Ball Tavern or Hrbeks or something else?

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 22

So looks like Ben Revere will be up today. Click my name for article.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 23

Isn't "affordable" a relative term? I mean do you have beer or champagne tastes? How hungry/thirsty are you? Lots of choices for just about every budget at Target Field.

I've been in Denver, St. Louis, and Phoenix the last few days. Saw ballgames at each yard and the difference in concession prices is astounding. Some ballparks are absolute highway robbery and others tend to look better. I tend to think Target Field is much closer to the fair/affordable side than most MLB ballparks.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM by Max Highlight this comment 24

If you think three people having a sandwich, one order of garlic fries, and two beers apiece for $100 is affordable - then TBT is affordable, and quite good.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 25

Hrbek's and the Town Ball Tavern are supposed to be open to all fans. According to policy, they are; according to affordability, they aren't.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 26

Clarification: Steep prices aren't necessarily something I'd hold against them. If they can get it, more power to them. But I don't think I'll be hanging out in either establishment, and I know plenty of people who would balk at the steep prices damanded at ballparks.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 11:12 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 27

The smartest thing is to eat before you go and bring some peanuts with you - and maybe a bottle of water. Many people think ballparks are for eating and the people who run them prey on that.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 11:19 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 28

I was at the game on Friday night and a vendor was walking around selling the wild rice soup. I thought it was a great idea for those cold nights. I think they also have a person who sells hot chocolate from an tank on his back.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 6:28 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 29

I gotta say..Spending the entire day today from like 10-6 was a blast..The Legends game was really cool..great weather..a chance encounter with one of my top 10 players..Greg Gagne,and a Twins win...

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 8:14 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 30

I was watching the legend's game on tv. Those guys looked like they were having so much fun. Great to see them out on the field again!

I'll be in the left field bleachers for tomorrow's game. Go Twins!

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 8:57 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 31

I think the food prices are a little high. I went with my dad to Saturdays game and two cheeseburgers with fries and two pops for close to thirty dollars. I can think of several restaurants in the metro area that serve better burgers and fries and a drink for at least ten dollars cheaper. I can't imagine would it would cost to feed a family of 4 during a ball game.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 9:10 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 32

When did they tell us they were going televise the Legends game? I missed it. How long was it?

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 9:19 PM by michael Highlight this comment 33

Twins legends game is set to be replayed on FSN tonight at 11pm.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 9:29 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 34

Looks like Hamilton will be out for a while with a rib injury, and likely has the Batting Title wrapped up, but I am sure he would much rather be healthy and helping his team rather than resting and holding a comfortable lead with stats.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 9:32 PM by TK Highlight this comment 35

Jeff - I don't know, that cheeseburger they serve up at TF is pretty tasty IMO.
I think the cheeseburger basket is 9 and a quarter?
It is pricey, but you probably won't need any more food the rest of the game.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 10:09 PM by luke Highlight this comment 36

"When did they tell us they were going televise the Legends game? I missed it. How long was it?"

About an hour..You gotta see Hrbek take a chunk out of the field trying to catch a foul ball...Funny as hell...

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 10:53 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 37

Watching the replay right now, really wish I would have been able to be there today. Looks like a good crowd got out there early to watch the game.

Posted on September 5, 2010 at 11:35 PM by TK Highlight this comment 38

I was very surprised by the amount of people there today for the Legends game, we had planned to get there early and grab a close spot to catch the action. I do think that 85% of people had no idea the game was pushed back to 2:10 though. There was a whole row of people behind us complaining and saying "It's 1:00, what are they doing the game is supposed to start soon."

The legends game was really fun to watch, especially seeing a lot of the player I was into as a young baseball fan. The best thing was watching Hrbek take a 2 foot divot out of TF trying to make, I guess, a sliding catch. He just bit the dirt hard with his knee.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 01:00 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 39

Who made it to the fair and checked out the Chicago Dogs located in the gardens? Seems that the Twins could simply change the name and this would be the place to satisfy all dog cravings. With over 10 options for toppings, including brown mustard and celery salt, I would be all over this at the ballpark.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:23 AM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 40

That sounds really good. I miss the diced onions at the condiments stand.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 41

Not sure if anyone else saw this or not, but in the 8th inning of yesterdays game there was some fans that dropped a banner behind homeplate that covered up the Target Field logo you see on TV. The banner came up right as the Cargil advertisement came up and it said Destroys Rainforests. Kind of weird, can anyone shed light on this?

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 42

come on slowey and the twins, i want a bday win please!

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 1:33 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 43

Not sure if anyone else saw this or not, but in the 8th inning of yesterdays game there was some fans that dropped a banner behind homeplate that covered up the Target Field logo you see on TV. The banner came up right as the Cargil advertisement came up and it said Destroys Rainforests. Kind of weird, can anyone shed light on this?

Yea,,I was actually nearby and seen them,,Was kinda looking that way..2 guys with backpack and they pulled out what looked to be small fiberglass poles..The kind you would have on a pop up tent.They pushed it through the net then popped the poles open to display the sign..Didn't last but a few seconds and sign was gone and the 2 guys were being escorted out by security.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 44

Josh - I was there at the game and saw the same thing. All I could see was a bunch of security personnel converging on that area and taking the sign away. It appeared to be a really big sign from where I was sitting in section 102.

Not too long later, something was happening in the RF overlook as I noticed a bunch of people cheering. Not sure if this person/organized group of people tried flashing another sign in the RF overlook? It appeared a couple of fans sitting in that area took the sign down and got rid of it, but I am not sure what was happening.

Anyone sitting in the RF/overlook area that knows about these incidents?

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 1:49 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 45

Yeah, they were whining about it on KSTP yesterday.
Is TF going to be one of those places where banners and signs are banned? I remember the good 'ol days at 'the other place' during the playoffs, there were signs everywhere on the upper level facade (especially the Frankie Sweet Music one in 87).
I can't see that happening at TF.
Nice win today by the Twins. A win is a win, I know, but these one-run wins have got to go.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 4:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 46

Hanging a banner on the railing of the upper deck (most likely one in support of the team) is a far cry from a bunch of hippies hanging a sign that turns a paying advertisers sign into a statement against that advertiser.

I highly doubt that a team that has their color commentator circle people on television every game, which encourages fans to bring their "circle me bert" signs, would ban signs because of one incident

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 4:24 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 47

Could Thome's blast reach Target Plaza if it hadn't hit the foul pole? I think it could have.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM by michael Highlight this comment 48

* Flag pole

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM by michael Highlight this comment 49

Jim Thome is a stud.

Clanging one off the top of the flagpole. Wow!

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 50

I was sitting in the left field bleachers, so I had a pretty good view of Thome's blast. I told the friends sitting next to me that I think it would have landed right at the gate to the plaza.

It could have been one big hop onto 394, too.

Dang... That was pretty to watch. :-)

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 51

huge homer by Thome today. Initially they listed it at 464 feet on the scoreboard, then within a minute displayed an adjusted distance of 480 feet. Either of those distances would but that as the longest yet at TF.

Steve,

I noticed the guys as they dropped the banner and then saw them escorted out by security other day, how did they get into the champion club seats? Did they buy a ticket in that area and simply waited until the 8th to drop the banner or did they sneak into the area somehow? Maybe we can learn something from them. I haven't been down there since the open house. I can't see paying $275 a ticket and security seems pretty tight most of the time, keeping all of us common folk out of that seating area.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 6:50 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 52

I can confirm that Thome's flagpole HR did, indeed, break the nose of a female U of M college student. The girl is the daughter of a friend/co-worker of my mom's. Her face caught it on ricochet, unfortunately.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 8:02 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 53

minn55441 - of the 400+ tickets in the Champions Club, only 15 of them cost $275. (And 5 of these 15 are owned by the Pohlads). Over 300 of the Champions Club seats are "only" $175 each. I am not saying that $175 isn't a large sum for a ticket, I just don't want the entire section to be mis-represented.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:04 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 54

I was 3 seats of where Thome's Flagpole bomb landed. And yes, the ball did indeed bust the nose of a young gal. A drunk bum (in my opinion) ended up with the ball after a mad scramble. He was very sly in the way he slipped the ball into his pocket without offering any consolation to the young gal. Personally, I believe he should have given her the ball. What makes this worse is that ushers came to escort the "bum" and his friends to meet Thome... All while the young gal's nose is bleeding profusely.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:29 PM by joe Highlight this comment 55

I have posted a couple new target field photos from recent visits. Same park but from a couple of different angles. Not sure if I linked them already or not with all of Ricks updates lately. My name has the link.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM by jared Highlight this comment 56

minn55441,
Only 2 of them and they waited for their opportunity..They didn't have tickets..Just sneeky.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:58 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 57

They never sat in a "seat"..Just slipped by and walked down.

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:59 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 58

See link for some background on what statement they were trying to make. A pretty impressive demonstration if you ask me considering the timing and planning needed. They must have known that the Cargill ad would be up during that half inning.

http://understory.ran.org/2010/03/22/feeling-pressure-cargill-passes-the-buck-of-responsibility/

Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:54 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 59

Here we go...things are going to turn political...

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:24 AM by TK Highlight this comment 60

Good point TK...I'll add that I'm impressed by the apparent planning required, not necessarily making any statement about the message.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 08:36 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 61

Cargill feeds the world!

{rabble rabble rabble rabble}

Cargill destroys the environment!

{rabble rabble rabble rabble}

There, I've taken care of the back and forth for us.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 08:53 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 62

Question: Who can hang out in the 573 Club? Open for everyone, or just a select few?

Place looks phenomenal!

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 09:02 AM by FMelius Highlight this comment 63

I would have kept the ball. It's the Twins obligation to get the girl a bat or something. You have to be ready for ricochets.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:28 AM by Bobby Highlight this comment 64

FMelius - You have to have Legends Club access to get to the 573 club. Private suite holders also have access. Fram fram :)

I think you can see the girl who got hit by Thome's blast on the Twins website replay. Looks like she had her hands in her rain poncho and couldn't shield herself - poor thing. On the bright side, she will have a story to tell - "my nose was broken by the longest HR hit at Target Field . . ."

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:31 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 65

573 is open to anybody in the Legends Club or on the Suite Level.

The Twins already have a policy about banners which amounts to, "We reserve the right to take down any banner that we don't like for any reason." This latest incident shouldn't require any adjustment to that existing policy.

How they got into the Champions Club, and how they worked out the timing of unfurling the banner, is certainly the more interesting story. I'm afraid I can't shed any light on either part of that, other than to say that getting into the CC is difficult, but certainly not impossible -- especially if you know someone who works there.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:34 AM by Rick 66

Regarding Thome's blast, seeing that pole get hit certainly made me smile, but I'll wait for HitTrackerOnline before accepting the 480 estimate from the Twins. They have been known to exaggerate mightily in the past -- especially on balls hit by the home team.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM by Rick 67

Clublevelfan is right. Only the 1st row in the Champions Club is $275. Rows B-E are $225 and the rest of the rows are $175. Really not out of line when you consider that valet parking and all food/drink is included along with a large comfortable seat.

You may be a ninja to sneak down into the CC, but you won't get too far unless you have the bracelet color of the day on your wrist. The Twins do this to prevent people from passing their tickets around to allow more people access to the all you can drink/eat down below...

BTW: I sold my tickets for yesterday's game several weeks ago. Went straight to downtown from the airport and scalped a real nice Dugout Box seat for $40. Approximately half of face (STH's pay $69/game, face was $77). Absolutely no excuse for people not to have access to Target Field this year. This "I can't afford it" whiny routine is complete rubbish. You could have had the cheap seats yesterday for pennies on the dollar. Patience is a virtue.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM by Max Highlight this comment 68

Were the banner perpetrators wearing bracelets? If so, then they either bought their way in, or had an inside accomplice. If not, then they snuck in (also, perhaps, with inside help).

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:50 AM by Rick 69

Well, on a day like today (weather- and opponent-wise), cheap tickets are certainly the rule.

My parents decided not to use a pair for tonight, so I just listed them on TC Traders at face value (which is considerably less than I paid for them).

Obviously, I wish I could use them myself (weather and Royals be damned!), but a scheduling conflict prevents that...

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:59 AM by Rick 70

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but the Ballpark Authority has some information on the proposed new interchange project for around Target Field. Click my name. The article also has a link for a rendering.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 71

I just now realized that I actually recorded Sunday's game in the hopes of seeing clips from the Legends game (which were unfortunately brief).

The banner appeared for about five seconds in all, and the ad was actually covered by the little scoreboard, so the protest -- at least on TV -- was a bust:


A few minutes earlier you can see some dudes that look a little out of place:


I can't be 100% sure due to the low SD video quality, but I think those guys are wearing bracelets.

Click here to see the excerpted video clip.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:25 AM by Rick 72

Has anyone been in the dugout club? Someone gave me tickets to it, and I am just curious what it involves.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:51 AM by duffman Highlight this comment 73

Those are the guys. I was surprised at how calmly they were walked out. The security guard ripped the sign off of the wall with a little fortitude to make a point, though.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 74

duffman,

You probably got "Dugout Box" tickets, which means that you will have access to either the First Base Lounge or the Third Base Lounge.

Look back a couple of posts here (i.e. scroll down) and you'll find profiles of each.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:02 PM by Rick 75

ESPN reporting 430 feet last night on the Thome HR that hit the flag pole.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:01 PM by tk Highlight this comment 76

Yeah, 430 sounds more right. I think the wall is probably around 350 or so right there (total guess, right center is 367 and right is 328) and I doubt that it went well over another 100 feet. From the wall to the flagpole doesn't look too far.

If it didn't hit the flagpole then I definitely think 480 would be correct.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:12 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 77

As much as I don't like Charley Walters, his headline, "That wasn't an earthquare...that was Kent Hrbek," was pretty funny.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 78

Has anyone else had the kind of luck like Max did? I would love to pay half the face value to check out some different angles of Target Field. Our 20 game plans is in section 304, not complaining, but would love to check out other angles and seats on the cheap.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:25 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 79

If it didn't hit the flagpole than I definitely think 480 would be correct

I thought that was the point of estimating home run distance - to calculate/guess how far the ball would have gone had it not hit anything.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 80

The point is actually that there's never been a standard as to how clubs measure home runs. "True" distance is what you'd call it if you measure the hit from the point it leaves the bat until the point it would have hit the ground at the same elevation if nothing had gotten in the way. (See this page for more info.)

Give credit to Greg Rybarczyk at HitTrackerOnline for being sort of the Bill James of home runs. He's done a ton of research and defined a bunch of new terminology.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:48 PM by Rick 81

I guess it does depend. When I think of HR distance I think of where it actually landed, not how far it could have landed. I'll always remember that the ball looked like it was going to go on forever, but it didn't.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 82

Sounds about right, thanks Rick.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:58 PM by duffman Highlight this comment 83

I believe the measurement is intended to indicate how far the ball would have traveled unimpeded. Initial velocity or force, weight, and trajectory. Any artillerymen here?

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:59 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 84

Josh, I got that front-row seat in 236 last Friday night for $11 (plus $10 in 'service charges' /sadface/) from StubHub about four hours before gametime.

I had been checking out the prices throughout the day, and they just kept dropping, so when I saw that single seat for $11 I jumped on it.

There were games last week where tickets were less than $2 each on StubHub!

And I'm waiting to see the hitrackeronline report on Thome's blast. I think 480 might be pretty accurate, I'm quite sure it's the longest home run I've ever seen!

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 2:16 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 85

Dugout Box tonight, $40 ticket (Row 6, up to 4 together) WOW!

Who are these people trying to sell their tickets for $1.50/ticket in hopes of bringing in $2.55? I would just give the tickets away to someone who would enjoy the game and feel good about that...maybe this is there way of giving the tickets away, and are unable to physically deliver the tickets. Maybe I shouldn't judge :)

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:28 PM by tk Highlight this comment 86

2 tix still available for tonight, section 237, row 1. Now they're free if you're willing to come get them...

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 5:47 PM by Rick 87

HitTrackerOnline shows Thome flagpole homer was 432 feet, not 480 (and certainly not the longest at TF, which is still owned by Brennan Boesch).

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 7:50 PM by Rick 88

Looks like the Twins have paid more attention to hittracker, Thome 452 feet!

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:04 PM by TK Highlight this comment 89

I was sitting in Row 24 section 102 and saw Thome's homer fly past us. I just muttered "holy sh--" as it went by. That ball was smashed.

Also went to the Town Ball Tavern for the first time. I can definitely recommend the chicken and cheese quesadillas. Four big, full quesadillas, very tasy, and not a bad deal for $10. Was going to try the Nachos, but there was too much on them that I don't care for. Also, it's obvious not even all the employees know the location of everything yet. The guy next to be at the bar asked the bartender where Hrbek's was, and he said it was over behind homeplate. I said, no, I think (really I knew) it was pretty much right below us. The bartended said no, it's over behind home plate. Methinks they need to educate the help a little more.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM by antifire Highlight this comment 90

antifire,

Hrbek's is right behind home plate next to his gate...

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:49 PM by TK Highlight this comment 91

Here is a bit of what Greg at Hittracker told me way back in march about "homer reachable areas of the park".

Jared,

OK, here goes on some answers.

1. Puckett gate. The closest point of the Puckett gate is 459 feet horizontally and +30 feet up, by my reckoning. To get to that spot, you need a 480 foot homer or longer (and that's just to short-hop the gate, not clear it). In all of MLB that happens about 3 times a season, so don't expect a ball to fly the gate in your lifetime (in a game, at least - maybe in BP). A bounce over it is certainly possible for anything in that direction hit roughly 450 feet or so - definitely possible, but also not very likely, as only a little more than 2% of all homers are hit that far, and only 16% of all homers are hit in the right direction to bounce over the gate, giving each homer a 1 in 266 chance of "qualifying". So if Target Field sees 160 homers (about 2 per game, close to average), I figure there is a 45% chance of seeing one of those homers hit far enough to hop the fence. If no one gets in the way, that is!

2. The bronze glove. This seems to be about 490 horizontal feet from home plate, and around 35 feet above field level. This would require a blast of about 515 feet. Unless the Puckett Gate turns into a wind tunnel due to some quirk of the architecture, not going to happen any time soon.

3. The Budweiser roof deck. This looks to be about 85-90 feet above field level, and around 345 or so horizontally. This is possible, distance-wise, but very unlikely due to the scarcity of very high-arching balls hit down the lines. Since its opening, I don't recall anyone having hit one up on the top of the Western Metal Supply building in San Diego, which is a pretty similar spot to this. So, reachable, yes, likely, no.

...

7. Highway 394. No way, not even on a bounce. This is just too far away, and any enormous bomb hit in that direction would have to bounce at least three times to get there, at which point I can't see it getting over whatever railing/wall they have surrounding that opening. If someone ever tells you one made it, don't believe them.

My diagram of the park is compete, including foul territory all the way around, but I haven't finished annotating it with heights and so on, so I can't share it with you right now. Possibly you may see something related to my diagram online some time soon, so keep your eyes open. I did devote a significant portion of my Hardball Times Annual article on Target Field and a comparison to the Metrodome, so check that out if you can...

Greg

I skipped a few points he makes about other areas of the park (not in question) to shorten the post a bit. Interesting bits that come out to be pretty close and at the time he didn't have a full diagram to get accurate distances. 394 would have been out of play for many different reasons on Thome's homer but had it not hit the flagpole and no one touched it, we could have seen it bounce over the Puckett gate. That would have been cool.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:13 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 92

The minor league season ended yesterday. Rochester and New Britain were both bad. Really bad. Unbelievably bad. As in the worst teams in their leagues by a healthy (or is that unhealthy?) margin. The other farm teams performed more respectably, but the ineptitude of the club's AAA and AA teams makes me worry quite a bit about where the Twins will be in a few years, given the necessity of the team producing new stars in the minors. Am I overreacting or is there truly cause for alarm?

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:34 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 93

Jared,

Interesting info. Greg was very aggressive about getting accurate and very detailed information about TF during construction. He and I had a number of conversations and I took some pictures especially for him along the way. I think that's one of the reasons the media really does take him seriously: He takes what he does very seriously, and there's a lot of good science behind it. (I'm not sure how MLB feels about his work.)

His point about the Gold Glove is especially interesting. The Twins have said that the glove is 530 feet from home plate, in honor of Killebrew's blast back at the Met. But there's just no way it's that far away. My guess, based on a Google Earth measurement, was about 500 feet, which would jibe with Greg's measurements. (It's a separate question of just how far Killebrew's homer actually went. I bet Greg could figure it out.)

But the point about 394 is incomplete because Greg probably doesn't know the exact configuration there. In fact, Boesch's blast in May came much closer to the freeway than anyone may have realized.

The reason is that there is a gap a few feet wide between the plaza and the B ramp, and it actually runs between the outfield staircase and the parking ramp. Boesch's blast hit those steps, and had enough distance to go through that gap if it had been maybe 10 feet closer to the ramp. It also would have had to thread something of a needle, but it definitely is possible.


Of course, it's just an entrance ramp to 394 down there, but it is a freeway entrance ramp, so it counts, and a ball hit through that opening could definitely do some damage to a motorist with bad timing.

I haven't looked down through there to see if maybe there's some netting or something, but I know there are a couple of mechanical boxes there which could serve as obstacles.


Obviously, it's still not very likely, but not because of distance, rather because it's kind of like hitting a hole-in-one.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:02 PM by Rick 94

Why can't someone take a bucket truck up to the flag pole and then shoot a distance laser at a flag on home plate? For that matter, they could do the same from each section of the outfield, one measurement per row and I would think identify the distances pretty accurately.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:24 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 95

Pretty disappointed in tonight's attendance. I believe it was announced at 38,400, which isn't a sellout (39,504 I think?). This is definitely a fair-weather (literally) fan base.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 96

JCTwins,

The horizontal distances are the easiest piece of the equation to get, especially if you have blueprints.

The HitTrackerOnline software also takes into account altitude, wind, temperature, and most importantly, the actual path/arc of the ball. From this information it can extrapolate where a ball would have hit the ground if not impeded by anything.

As such, the "true distance" of a homer is a theoretical one, valuable because it creates a true way to compare different hits. This is different than the "actual distance" that the ball traveled before hitting something, which is essentially useless for comparison purposes because of the variation in the shape of ballparks.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:33 PM by Rick 97

Makes sense Rick.

Tonight's attendance in the box score: 38,816.

Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:57 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 98

Less than 1,000 under capacity and you're disappointed? Think of it this way: On a somewhat chilly evening, in a state where the last outdoor Major League Baseball game was 28 years ago, the park was filled to over 98% capacity. Considering the gnashing of teeth that went on about how the place needed a roof, that's pretty good, I'd say.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 06:00 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 99

Not to mention the first day of school for most kids in the metro. It's a lot more likely junior will be going to bed early instead of staying up late at Target Field.

I have my last tickets of the regular season tonight. Record is 4-4 so looking to finish above .500.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 08:20 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 100

The attendance drop off, if that's really the proper term, can largely be attributed to yesterday being the first day of school for most kids. It may seem corny, but it's a huge factor. Playing the Royals, who haven't been truly competitive in a generation and feature mostly no names, didn't add to the gate either.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 08:24 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 101

Well according to today's newspaper the sellout streak is intact. Maybe Rick's attendance discussions from the past addressed this, I don't recall. I know there is dispute in how the number is calculated.

As was mentioned earlier in the discussion considering the attitude that there was no way to get tickets this year etc etc it's surprising to me to see a game that far under capacity. Maybe the sellout streaks in Boston and Cleveland had similar "statistical" sellouts but not full-house sellouts.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 08:43 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 102

The way they figure attendance you can have a sellout and only three people sitting in the stands. Extreme example but a fact.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 08:48 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 103

You are correct rick and make good points.

1. I thought I heard somewhere that the glove was at 530 in honor of harmon but couldn't remember where. Your point confirms that. It didn't look that far to me initially which is why I asked him about it.

2. I should clarify that my original question about 394 was if a ball (unimpeded by Puckett gate, fans and all the plaza greenery/fencing) could reach 394. Not reach by gap next to the parking ramp but the other gap across the plaza. I originally figured that ramp gap was possible but as you said, the equivalent to hitting a hole in one.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 08:58 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 104

Historically, one of the worst attended games of the year is the day after Labor Day. Maybe one of you have the resources to verify this for the past several years. From my personal experience going back 28 seasons, with our ticket group that is also the game that is usually selected last. Add into the mix that the game was against KC and the weather was questionable - 38,800 is a pretty good crowd. Yes - there were great ticket deals last night, and there will be again tonight, but I don't expect you will see those same deals with the next home stand. I also don't think that you will see as high of demand that there was during the three summer months.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:33 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 105

Rick, I just noticed the "20" at the top of the right hand rail. Significance? Hang on, I just answered my own question. Ladies and gentlemen, our new "Magic Number guy!"

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 106

fiesta,

Right hand rail?

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:28 PM by TK Highlight this comment 107

Right-hand side of the screen, at the top of the page just below the main header image.

The html comment says "magic number", too. ;-)

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 108

Nice win last night! Lets keep it going! Be nice to take the next 4 games and go into Chicago with a 9 game win streak and maybe be up by 6 or 7 games!!!

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 109

As for getting cheap tickets right now, just wait until the top of the 2nd inning. You can browse the scalpers on the street and pick your seat for $10 easy. I don't personally do it, but people were begging on Monday to sell me a cheap ticket, and there were plenty of sections to choose from (though I didn't personally see a dugout box available in my limited sample).

You have to wait until they are desperate, and by the 2nd inning the scalpers would love to get $5 or $10 than just eat the cardboard.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:00 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 110

....or you could have gotten tix for $3 each ($5-6 each with fees) and seen the first pitch!

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:30 PM by tom Highlight this comment 111

Two observations after biking home from the game tonight:
1) a scalper described business as "horses--t." he blames kids being back in school.

2) They appear to have fixed the top of Minnie and Pauls hands on the celebration sign.

3)

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 11:16 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 112

Oops... 3) I sat in sec U skyline deck for 1st time. It was a good vantage point, especially for Hardy's HR. Being in the top row of the section, I found the ambient noise from the concourse and the overly chatty Cathy behind us at the drink rail a little tiresome. Other than that it was a fine night at the ballpark... Even with Capps' rough 9th.

Posted on September 8, 2010 at 11:21 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 113

fiesta,

The weekend series will pick-up slightly for scalpers Friday/Saturday who have the Vikings crowd in town, but will drop again mid-week unless the Twins have a chance to...the unmentionable.

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:06 AM by tk Highlight this comment 114

What Vikings crowd is this you speak of?

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 05:54 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 115

No question Tom...I'm just relaying another last minute method of seeing the game on the cheap, given what I saw on the street on Monday. There are lots of ways to get into a game right now.

However, that is ok with me. The ballpark still looks mostly full. The Padres are drawing about 20,000 per game this week, with the Dodgers in town and a very nice newish ballpark. I don't take the downturn in the secondary market as a disaster, just a re-balancing. It could be like last year....the most comparable I think would be our M-W series with Cleveland 9/14-9/16, where we packed the Metrodome with 20K, 19K, and 17K those three nights.

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 07:56 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 116

Yea if you want to see a game and haven't been to the new ballpark, head down there on a Monday-Wednesday in September. There is also more competition for the sporting/entertainment dollar right now when you have the Twins, Vikings, Gophers FB, and the Wild starting up soon. There will still be strong demand for weekend games and especially near the end of the year when the Twins are preparing to clinch the division.

All bets are off for the playoffs. The prices are set by MLB and hence go up significantly. The demand for Game 1 of the ALDS should rival the Home Opener vs Boston in April...

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:37 AM by Max Highlight this comment 117

FYI, I have linked the WCCO story (including video) of how the Twins measure homers...I am sorry if any disappointment results from its results.

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 118

Thanks for the link, Jared, but that's a very sloppy piece by DeRusha.

When Jim Thome hit the flagpole on the plaza of Target Field, the team said it went 480 feet. But a website, Hit Tracker Online, said it's more like 433 feet.

Hit Tracker lists the "true distance" for that homer at 432, and the "standard distance" at 436. No "433" anywhere on that line.

Hit Tracker has Thome's home run from Sept. 7 at 440 feet, the longest home run at Target Field in 2010.

Hit Tracker lists the "true distance" at 440 which would be tied with Corey Hart for second behind Brennan Boesch, and the "standard distance" at 442, which would be first.

So which is it, Jason DeRusha? Standard or true? And while you're at it, do you have any clue what the difference is between those two measurements? Your readers might need that little piece of information to make anything out of your story.

Those "Good Question" pieces are really, truly, deeply junk journalism.

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:48 PM by Rick 119

Sadly, journalism is a dying art...

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 1:09 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 120

Sox go down 6-3 to the Tigers. I see the magic #17 in the upper right changed already! 6 game lead! Don't stop now boyzzzzz! LOL!

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 2:27 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 121

6 game lead, baby!

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 2:28 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 122

I won't be cheering until I see the Magic number at 1, with at least 7 games in hand to play :) What was the Tigers Magic number going into the last 3 games last year?

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 3:02 PM by tk Highlight this comment 123

I've sat in two sections in the Skyline Deck: S and U.
I sat in S during a game with the Brew Crew, and checked out U during the open house. I too liked the vantage point from Section U. Section S is good, although being right next to the LC overhang, and the gap between Skyline and LC creates some viewing problems, I suppose, depending on where you're sitting. But, overall pretty good seats in either section.
And anything is 100 percent better than what you'd get at the Dome.

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 5:03 PM by luke Highlight this comment 124

Hence my disappointment disclaimer...LOL. I figured I would just throw it out there because it basically comes across that the Twins just use a tape measure and guess. I couldn't help but think that it may not be an exact science but using math in this situation really isn't that hard even when finding a good estimate, so the numbers shouldn't vary soooo much. That's my opinion on it anyway.

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 6:34 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 125

GO VIKES!!!

Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:10 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 126

Oh well..Can't win 'em all.

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 05:56 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 127

Anybody recieved renewal notices on season tickets yet for next year? Also what are the chances of getting playoff tickets with as a 20 game holder? Slim and none?

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 128

Sounds like more complete info coming soon. Twenty and forty game people who have "been with" them for longer than just this year will have a shot at either the first or second ALDS game, and go from there. Apparently no full strips for anyone.

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:44 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 129

Ben is right, No full strips for partial season ticket holders.

Pretty much the 20 and 40 game holders from 2009 and earlier will get first shot at tickets on the first day.

All other 20 game plan holders who joined for the 2010 season will get their shot at tickets on day two.

One-time use passwords will be emailed in the next ten days and you will be able to log on during your designated time to purchase playoff tickets. It's pretty much the same procedure as the Home Opener ticket purchase process back in February.

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:03 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 130

Thanks guys, any word on when they will send out for the renewals on the season tickets and possible upgrading options?

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:17 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 131

here is the link for 2011 upgrades and seat relocation process for current STH's...I do not think there will be much room to "upgrade" as most will probably keep their same plans as far as seat location. Of course you can probably upgrade from 20 to 40 or 40 to full season but as far as getting better seats, that will probably be difficult.

https://secure.mlb.com/min/ticketing/sth_seatchange_form.jsp

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:41 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 132

I know its not Target Field related but comparisons have been made, so I thought I would link to Michael Ian Black's commentary on his visit to citi field with his kids. Its not so much about the ballpark as it was the experience but its funny and includes a bit of baseball.

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 1:03 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 133

Tickets have been bought...I'll be SRO for next Friday night's game against Oakland.

Posted on September 10, 2010 at 9:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 134

Perhaps playoff tickets will be easier to come by if the Twins are going to be playing the Yankees?

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 2:37 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 135

Ben,

I doubt that would be the case, especially if the season ended today, as that would put the Twins in the ALCS!

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM by TK Highlight this comment 136

TK --- the ALCS is still the playoffs, look it up.

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 137

Ben,

I am very clear how the playoffs are structured. You made the assertion that playoff tickets would be made easier if the Twins were to play the Yankees.

I would agree with you that it would be easier, or not as pricey to get first round tickets for a Twins playoff series. However, if the Twins make it into the second round, it will be significantly tougher, hence playing the Yankees would be a non-factor. Besides, the Yankees have a strong fan base from all over and we would see those fans taking a demand to tickets.

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM by TK Highlight this comment 138

As far as ticket-demand/supply goes: the Twins could play the pittsburgh pirates AAA team in the ALCS and tickets would still be $150+ a pop minimum.

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM by tom Highlight this comment 139

I suspect Ben's comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:12 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 140

I love that I learned that the White Sox lost today by seeing the BallparkMagic 'magic number' dropped by one.

Now, if we can just get an extra-inning run maybe we can drop the magic number by another one!

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 141

As you wish...

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 142

Randy Flores=2nd coming of Ron Mahay. Why have I not been able to find a photo of the new Calvin Griffith statue anywhere??

Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:47 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 143

What is everyone's preference here if the Twins are the 2 seed?

1)Twins get the #2 seed and host the wild card Yankees in the ALDS.
2) Twins get the #2 seed and host the wild card Rays in the ALDS.

Option #1 is the only way you get home field over the Yankees, but I have a sick feeling about that one. I'd take option #2 and roll the dice with the Yankees in a best of seven ALCS. I feel playing the Rays would give us a better shot at advancing.

The same dilemma will exist if the Twins can get the #1 seed, but with the added plus of home field advantage in the ALCS too. I just don't want to play the Yankees and want to give Texas a shot to knock them out first.

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:31 AM by mhalv68@gmail.com (aka Twins2010WSChamps) Highlight this comment 144

Question for anyone who has went this route (this may have been explored already, my apologies), but has anyone bought the new Target Field book off amazon?? I believe it's around $26 on amazon as opposed to $40 from the Twins, but on amazon it still says 'pre-order', so just curious if anyone went this route and if they ship right away or if you still have to wait, even though it's released by the Twins already..

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 02:13 AM by jcm028-baseball Highlight this comment 145

If anyone has an answer for the above question, please email your answer. Much appreciated :)

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 02:14 AM by jcm028-baseball Highlight this comment 146

jcm --- just wait for your birthday and get it for free.

As far as playing the Yankees --- I suppose it's a matter of likely pitching match-ups as to whether the Twins would have a better shot in a short or long series. My whole point is that I hope we don't have to endure watching "our boys" get played with like a ball of yarn again - or throwing the games themselves (with or without help from umps). Rather than obsessing over whether tickets might be available you might be better off just washing the car, tuning the MC, tearing out the garden, etc. Can't do any of of those things myself - but don't seem to get my money's worth either.

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 09:00 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 147

JCM,

I made a per-order a month or so ago, and I have yet to see it deliver. My thought is that it will be sometime in November when it goes down in price. My guess is that the Twins are given rights to sell the book until the end of the season, etc.

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM by TK Highlight this comment 148

And you can also wait for the paperback version which will save you lots of bucks. I thought that was supposed to be out in November...not sure.

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM by luke Highlight this comment 149

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Posted on September 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 150

jcm028,

That marvelous book is available only from the Twins directly until November, which is why it says "pre-order" on Amazon.

The Amazon listing is also for the trade version of the book. I don't know for sure what the difference is between that and the one available at the ballpark. Could be size or paper quality or such. (I was also told that the Amazon listing is actually for the paperback version, despite what it says, though I can't confirm that.)

Also, the version for sale now is a special "commemorative" edition (it says "Ballpark Commemorative Edition" on the cover).

In my opinion, it's well worth the 40 bucks.

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 3:49 PM by Rick 151

And --- if it's your birthday your daughter sneaks off and buys you one.

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 5:40 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 152

If anyone has a pair of tickets for Sat., 8/18 I'm looking for a pair, and can swap two in 108 or LC Section M for one of a few games over these last couple of weeks.

I am a member of TC Traders if you'd like to handle the exchange through that system. I'm not sure how I'd post an ad looking for a specific game, which is why I'm posting here.

Thanks

Posted on September 12, 2010 at 6:58 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 153

Thanks everyone for your swift reply to shed some light on how they we're doing that on Amazon, makes perfect sense. Was at the game last Wednesday and nearly bought it about 4 times.... convinced myself to wait til I got home and see what Amazon had it for, but since my birthday isn't until January, i'm gonna go with Rick on this one and get it at Friday's game ;)

THANKS AGAIN!!!!!

Posted on September 13, 2010 at 02:02 AM by jcm028-baseball Highlight this comment 154

Anyone buy the Terrence Fogarty print from Target Field? I picked up the $210 version as I couldn't quite get myself to pull the trigger on the $1200 canvas (although it looks absolutely stunning). He's a great artist who's done a lot of fabulous pieces over the years.

Posted on September 13, 2010 at 12:04 PM by Max Highlight this comment 155

Hi JcTwins. Check your email if you are still looking for a trade possibility. And I assume you mean 9/18, not 8/18 unless you're thinking of Steven Hawking's time travel theory.

Posted on September 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM by robin Highlight this comment 156

Has anyone done the Tour at Target Field yet? I was thinking about taking my 2 year old son there since ever since we took him to openeing day it's all he talks about when I wear anything Twins related.

I am just curious as to what people thought of the tour.

Posted on September 13, 2010 at 7:08 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 157

Twins treatment of 40 game and partial game package season tickets is unacceptable.
The Twins for at least 7 years sold packages to fans with the promise of post season tickets along with home opener. Along with this was the promise of maintaining priority seating with the new stadium. So for years we went along paying for the tickets in order to have the tickets for the new stadium. Here is what the twins did to reward the faithful.
1. any season ticket owner new or old was given priority over partial season ticket holders no matter what their priority number was.
2. Even after years of having us pay for tickets with the promise of post season tickets in your own seat they changed this policy to no gaurantee
of post season tickets at all for the new stadium.
3.In the advertising for the new stadium they were hardly very forthcoming with this information

They basically they had us pay for a number of years with a policy that we could expect to be transferred to the new stadium and then out of greed threw it out the door.

They certainly did not communicate in any of the adds that this was to be the case

Wonder if there is a good Lawyer out there that may wants to instigate a class action on behalf of a number of partial ticket season holders

Posted on September 13, 2010 at 8:49 PM by Et Highlight this comment 158

Rick, Can you please e-mail me saying you got my mail when it comes? Thanks.

Posted on September 13, 2010 at 8:54 PM by michael Highlight this comment 159

ET,

unfortunately there is always the fine print some where...

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 12:25 AM by TK Highlight this comment 160

Caveat emptor

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 05:55 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 161

ET,

Why should a person with 40 games have priority over a person with a full season? Why should a person with 40 games get access to a full strip for the playoffs? You paid for 1/2 the season. You should be happy with 1/2 the playoffs.

We were in an over 50k seat football stadium when you had access to all those perks as a partial STH. It just makes sence that the Twins would not be able to do the same at Target Field.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 08:28 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 162

Joe117 --- the issue is not what they do but what they say. That the Twins are VERY adept at using both sides of their collective mouth has been well documented.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 08:54 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 163

Simple Solution: Purchase a full season ticket package...

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 09:31 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 164

Trosy,

In that case, you are telling the general fan who attends 3 games that if they want any chance at attending post season, buy season tickets if you want playoff tickets.

I would be fine with that...

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 09:40 AM by TK Highlight this comment 165

It just gets old to here people (not saying anyone on here) with 20 game packs in the cheap seats talk about what they don't get. They expect OD tickets, full playoff strips, bobbleheads, access to met club, access to extra tickets......

When they don't get everything they want they complain about how they have paid a lot of money for tickets for the last whatever years and the Twins are cheating them.

If paying only $200 for 2 tickets to 20 games to watch one of the best teams in baseball in one of the best ballparks in baseball is not enough, then don't get the tickets next year.

There are a lot of people who are spending a lot more money and are getting the same benefits you are.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 09:59 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 166

If any season ticket rep told someone that buying a 40 game plan would guarantee them tickets to every post season game, they should be fired, or the person who instructed them to tell customers that should be fired.

However, if it's a matter of people mis-understanding what the reps are saying, I don't have much sympathy for you. Everything I have seen or read on the Twins website always talked about which ticket plan you have being the most important factor, and then longevity with the club is the 2nd most important factor.

And if the Twins were saying that a couple years ago, I can give them a bit of a pass on that. From everything I heard, the amount of season ticket plans sold this year was more than they ever expected was possible.

I'm sure when they first started this process a few years ago, they absolutely thought there would be enough tickets to go around for all season ticket holders. But with a stadium that only holds 40K, and 24K FSE, it's a simple matter of math. Let's say half of the season tickets are full season plans. That's 12,000 seats gone right away. Of the remaining 12K FSE, if half are 40 game plans, and the other half are 20 game plans, that would mean the stadium would need to hold 48,000 people to satisfy all season ticket holders, and it gets even worse if there are more 20 game plans than 40 game plans.

You can argue that they should still give people the option to buy tickets in the same order that they used for seat selection (40 gamers in order of longevity, followed by 20 gamers in order of longevity), but they don't have enough time. Seat selection took months. The Twins have just a couple weeks for post season ticket distribution. No system will be perfect, but I would argue that a system that potentially allows everyone a small piece of the pie is better than a system that allows a few people a larger piece of the pie.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 09:59 AM by ajax Highlight this comment 167

20 and 40 game plan holders still get to purchase postseason tickets BEFORE the general public...they just don't get to purchase full postseason strips.

40 and 20 game plan holders (prior to 2010) will purchase their tickets Monday and the rest of the 20 game holders (as of 2010) will purchase on Tuesday.

It's only fair that all partial STH's will not be allowed to purchase full-strip playoff tickets to accomodate as many partial plan holders as possible. Allowing partial STH's to purchase full postseason strips is simply not going to happen with a 39,000 capacity.

People need to realize its not the 55,000 seat Metrodome anymore and the Twins also have 24,000+ FSE's this year compared to 12,000 (or less) in recent years.

MLB also sets the postseason ticket prices and inventory availability for corporate, STH's, general public, etc.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:07 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 168

TK - My comment was in regards to Partial Season Ticket holders who want playoff tickets.

General fans can get playoff tickets like they always have been sold. Wait in line, purchase through online sale, second seller, scalpers. It is like that for all 30 teams..

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:22 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 169

The general public always had a shot at full season strips in years past. That has now changed due to all the reasons cited above. Everyone knew (or could assume) that the "little guy" was going to be left along the wayside on this whole deal. After all --- he's just the guy paying for the palace.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 170

trosy29,

This year, the only way to purchase tickets is to enter the lottery (click name for link), or at least right now that is the only way. I am sure that there will be potential tickets open up last minute for postseason, just like they did for OD, a couple days in advance to the game, and again 5 hours before the game.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM by tk Highlight this comment 171

I just received my renewal packet of information for 2011, included in the information is a program the Twins are releasing called the "Sweet Spot."

It's a new name to much of what they already do for season ticket holders, but with a couple additions (e.g. drawings to attend Twins batting practice, game used items, Twins away road trip opportunity, etc.). Looks pretty cool, just not sure how feasible getting into the action will be with 24,000 STH :)

Looks like no bobbleheads.

"Postseason ticket guarantee and priority

Champions Club, Delta Sky360 Legends Club and Full Season Ticket holders are guaranteed the opportunity to purchase a limited number of tickets for Postseason games. Partial Plan Season Ticket Holders have priority status to purchase Postseason tickets based on availability at the time of sale. Details on how to purchase Postseason tickets will be made available as early as possible."

Also, the Twins use a key to show which plans get which benefits. I think the person in charge could have used a better 4th color, as there is a Dark Blue for Legends Club and a Dark Gray for Partial plans. I need a magnified glass to decipher.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:04 AM by tk Highlight this comment 172

Anyone wonder why they want to know your birthday?

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:05 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 173

Ben,

My guess is that you have to be 18 to participate...but I am sure they are not going to use your information for other purposes...SARC

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:11 AM by tk Highlight this comment 174

I am a 20 game plan holder along with another person from this site. When we signed up one of the perks was getting priority to post-season tickets. I was not at all upset finding out we did not get a full strip. The first thing I thought about was that if my 20 game plan is being shared with up to 4 other plans, then why should I get a full strip. Why not give every person I "share" those seats with for the season, a opportunity to go to the playoffs too? And like others said this is not a 55,000 plus stadium.

I am VERY happy to have my seats and attend 10 games with my wife or whomever else I decide to bring with. It has been the bet $200 spent, not to mention that by selling a couple games we could not make it to, it really did not cost us a thing this year. The same might be said as the demand goes down a bit, but I am enjoying this season more than any other for so many reasons, and will be happy to go to a playoff game.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 175

Living 2-1/2 hrs away from TF means that I'm not a STH in any capacity. Our family gets to one game each month, on average. But for the past 8 years the playoffs had always been different. I've held tickets to every possible playoff game since 2002, attending all but one of them. (I actually saw a couple of Twins postseason wins back in the day!) Some of those drives down and back on consecutive nights, getting up for work and doing it all over again have made for some interesting stories, to be sure.

But, I understand the higher demand for fewer seats. And, having taken notice of how things were conducted year after year for scarce playoff tickets elsewhere (Yankee Stadium, Fenway,etc), I knew TF would mean a more restrictive system (read: more challenging) for playoff tickets.

I'll miss it, especially with the new surroundings "only" a few hours away, and with my recent retirement allowing me the time to do it without that early morning drive to get back to work. (Not to mention I'll miss the credit card points for buying six 11-game strips and then getting credited back for the unplayed games!) I guess I'll just hope to scrape up tix for a postseason game or two and enjoy the rest on the tube. Go Twins!

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 176

Joe117 nails it, I think. As someone who has only a 20 game package in the cheap seats, I do find myself wanting all the perks. But I try to be sensible enough to realize that (1) I haven't paid for all that much, (2) I've already received great value, and (3) some perks - like postseason tix - are very limited and have to go to STH higher up the chain. That's only fair and reasonable.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 1:11 PM by BR Highlight this comment 177

Speaking of bobbleheads I did recieve a voucher to pick one up at the game a couple of weeks ago. Has anybody else picked them up yet and if so which ones did you get. Next game is Saturday vs Oak. Lets win tonight and put the fire right out of the whitties first game!!!!

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 2:36 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 178

The bobblehead set is the same "Legends of the Dome" bobbleheads which were given out last year consisting of a Kirby Puckett and Kent Hrbek except they have red bases as STH bobbleheads usually do.

You can pick those up near Gate 3 in centerfield

Maz previously offered to sell his set if anyone was interested in buying it

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 2:43 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 179

the bobbleheads are anything they had left over.

when i picked mine up, i got a delmon young which i already had. i then traded it to another guy for dan gladden and then flipped that for brad radke.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 3:24 PM by A Former Poster Highlight this comment 180

A Former Poster --- The "bobblehead" should have been a LOTD set as described above. If you got something else that probably means that they ran out of what you should have gotten (or there was an airhead working that day). To be clear --- this year's ST "bobblehead" is the two piece set of LOTD bobbleheads, essentially last year's two SGA bobbleheads on the usual red bases.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 181

Maybe they are out of the LOTD bobbleheads? LOL! Cmon lets bury those sux game one!

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 182

There was one bobblehead give away for prior season ticket holders and then another beginning on Labor day for first year season ticket holders. I believe that the bobbleheads that were to be given away to each group were different. I would guess that the first group got the legends of the game set and the first year season ticket holders get to pick from a pile of what ever is left over.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 5:08 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 183

2011 regular season schedule announced
http://mlb.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=min&m=3&y=2011&partnerId=ed-4105862-157550486

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 8:23 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 184

Any opinions on the 2011 schedule that was released today?

Sure would be nice to dump the whole "unbalanced schedule" but that will never happen...

Home on Memorial Day weekend, 4th of July weekend and Labor Day weekend. The "premium" games will probably be Oakland (home opener series), Milwaukee, LA Dodgers, NY Yankees, Boston and the weekend White Sox series (Aug 5-7).

Nice to see both Brewers' series on weekends again (@ Milwaukee June 24-26, home vs Mil July 1-3) Also a nice 4-game weekend series with the Yankees in August.

Only browsed at the schedule a little bit but there seems to be a lot more 4-game and 2-game series' next year as well.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 8:30 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 185

Forgot to mention the Twins are also home on Easter weekend April 22-24.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 8:33 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 186

Really wish we were playing away at San Diego. I really want to get to Petco, but San Fran would be nice too.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM by TK Highlight this comment 187

A SF/LA road trip would have been SWEET!!! Dang.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 188

Mike - I'm about 50-50 on the new schedule. I am all for baseball eating into as much of the winter months as possible. I'm just not sure if I prefer the World Series potentially ending November 5 (which it could this year, if there's a Game 7), or the season beginning the last weekend of March, as it will next season.

But, I saw in a press release that they are considering expanding the DS's to seven games instead of five. That plan seems counter-productive to me...if the DS goes to seven games...it pushes everything back. So, will we end up in the same place we are now, pushing the season into November...

Bottom line, the more baseball we get, the shorter winter seems. Period. And the less time there is between the final game of the season and Twins Fest.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 189

Wow, if I was under a rock for the last 3 months and you would tell me that the Twins could rely on Crain in the situation he faced tonight with Konerko and Manny, I would have laughed and bet the house!

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM by TK Highlight this comment 190

Nice win. Now let's bury the Sox and pass the AL East teams.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:28 PM by FD Highlight this comment 191

One of the sweetest images from tonight's tilt? Thousands of She-cago "faithful" clogging the exits even before their beloved Sux come up for their half of the eighth.

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 10:57 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 192

schweady, I liked Berts Send off as they went into commercial break!

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:05 PM by TK Highlight this comment 193

Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey......GOODBYE!!!!!

Posted on September 14, 2010 at 11:09 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 194

They were the Black Sox in 1919, and they've pullled so many late season fades since then they're now the White Sox.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 05:48 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 195

Even the Sox fans are jumping ship after last night.

(click my name for the story.)

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 08:50 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 196

Ever since Manny Ramirez tried to get pregnant, he just hasn't been the same ballplayer.

;-)

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 08:52 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 197

Ah Magic Numbers:

Division: 12
Home Field: 20

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM by tk Highlight this comment 198

And this offering from Rick Morrisey - slightly sour-grapish, but hey, he's got a point . . .

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:22 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 199

Looking at Magic Number, etc. I have been just trying to ponder if the Twins have a realistic shot at celebrating a Central Division Championship at home this next homestand. I mean the Sox Magic # is 26, so I am comfortable being confident about us being able to sustain our momentum.

If the Twins win one more in Chicago, that puts us at #10, with both Chicago and the Twins playing 6 more games before next Wednesday.

If the Twins can go 6-0 or 5-1 at home and the Sox go 2-4/1-5 hosting Detroit and visiting Oakland, it is possible. Likely, no. It would make it a little easier if the Twins sweep, but still unlikely.

It would be so nice to be able to celebrate with the Twins at TF, but I would be happy celebrating anywhere the Twins play and lock up another Division title and prepare for a strong run in the playoffs in avoiding a 163!

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM by tk Highlight this comment 200

Ok.
So let's say the Twins Clinch the Division sometime in the next ten days, but still have not Clinched the #1 seed; is it worth playing your starters to go for the #1 seed or do you rest and pray for Tampa?

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:40 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 201

Andrew,

I would say play for the #1 seed, but still be cautious in how you use your starting pitching. We have the bullpen to support.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:48 AM by tk Highlight this comment 202

Click my name for a new rendering for the proposed new plaza by the LRT station/promenade. Check it out!!

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 12:42 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 203

That 'promenade' looks like it's being built just for extra parking for the Twins' offices.

Apparently the front office folks don't like to have to walk more than 100 feet from their cars to their offices.

Cynical? Me? Never! ;-)

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 12:52 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 204

This is a neat concept, and especially if this helps conjestion in this area after games.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 1:19 PM by tk Highlight this comment 205

*Congestion

Also, maybe the Twins will try and sell 1000's more tradition wall spots...and bring in additional revenue.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 1:22 PM by tk Highlight this comment 206

Salient point: "They're (the Twins) an OK team. The Sox are an OK team. The Twins are a little more OK. That's it."

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 1:26 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 207

"There was one bobblehead give away for prior season ticket holders and then another beginning on Labor day for first year season ticket holders. I believe that the bobbleheads that were to be given away to each group were different. I would guess that the first group got the legends of the game set and the first year season ticket holders get to pick from a pile of what ever is left over."

This makes sense actually. Heretofore, "cheap seat" STH always (except for - notably - 2006) got the hind one to the extent that their reward for purchasing STs was a "Twins Legend", which, in Twins-speak, was always a dumpster bound leftover from previous years - the dregs, the same bobbleheads they would give away at Spring Training games. So, "Johnny come lately" 20 game STH are the new "cheap seat" STH, held by the team in the same regard (insofar as ST bobbleheads at any rate) as the old "cheap seat" fans. The pecking order has never had anything to do with how long or how loyally you have been a Twins fan - but rather with how many of your dollars you allow to become their dollars.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 208

Ben,
Whenver I see a post from you, I can only expect it to have plenty of negativity.

People like you are why a ton of longtime posters left this board and rarely post anymore, myself included. Thanks!

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM by A Former Poster Highlight this comment 209

Former (not really) Poster ---

Would you like a basket of flowers? Or perhaps for your mommy to sing you a nice, soothing song? If you have a problem with quoted material or factual information you are not needed here in the first place.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 210

Ben,

I'm not quite sure your point behind posting that quote. Do you think it's important because think he's wrong, or do you think it's important because you feel he's spot-on?

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 211

Chad ---

I think it's because he may have a point. I think just barely scraping past central division teams does not bode well for the Twins in the playoffs. I think there is another notch which needs to be attained. I believe they can do it - and sincerely hope they do. The playoffs have not been much fun for Twins this decade and I'd like to have a little fun. Everyone and their uncle was on the Sox last night, some openly laughing at them (which they do not deserve). But, bottom line, check out their ring finger.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 212

Generally, you measure the OK-ness of a team by its win-loss record. And if that's the method to be used, the Twins are 86-58 (.597) and 1 1/2 games behind the best record in baseball.

Morrisey can live in 2005 if he wants, and talk all he wants about how much "chaotic good" the White Sox are and how "Miss Manners" the Twins are. But baseball is a game of numbers, and I'll take .597 over .549 every day of the week.

And he should probably be careful about throwing stones from his playoff glass house, because those feuding, fun-loving Sox didn't do very much with their 2008 game 163 win.

And frankly, right now I like these straight-toothed, food-pyramid-following Twins against pretty much any of the other likely playoff teams.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 4:11 PM by Rick 213

No question that Morrisey is a turd-whacker, at least in that piece. But even monkeys with typewriters say something that makes a modicum of sense sooner or later. So much of the playoffs is "destiny" or luck, but I still hope to avoid the Yankees.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 5:06 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 214

Is there somewhere to listen to the Twins games online for free at all?

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 215

YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD...YES!!

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:34 PM by TK Highlight this comment 216

If you stack on to KSTP 1500 (www.1500espn.com) can't you listen for free to whatever's on the air at that time?
I did it all day today at work, Mike & Mike, Reusse and Mackey...listened to all of it for free.

AND isn't it nice that it seems that the Twins might actually win the Central Division outright for once? No Game 163 needed?? No hanging around the locker room to see if the Tigers lose. God that would be nice.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 217

DAMMIT! 1500 doesn't stream the game online. There's a recorded message pushing you back to the Twins site to hear it.

Stupid FCC rules. Stupid Bud Selig. Stupid MLB broadcast rights.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 218

Tonight's game game is beautiful.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:23 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 219

Nothing warms my heart more than watching the ChiSox fall apart.
I used to have to work with a know-it-all consultant from Chicago who would come up here and boast and brag about everything, including the Sox. Every year it was sweet watching his boys fade down the stretch. While I've moved on to another job and I no longer have to deal with this blowhard, I like to think about him when his Sox are crumbling under pressure year after year.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 220

Jeepers, Rick - are you sitting at your computer ready to update the 'magic number' the second the games are over? :-)

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:15 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 221

That was indeed some speedy magic number updating there, Rick. Wowzers!

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:18 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 222

"10" is such a nice, round number.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:18 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 223

i have two tix for the 9/20 game, will let go for 45.00 for the pair.. let me know, e mial me if interested.. click..

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:19 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 224

2010 Homer Hankies at the Indian series.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:28 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 225

The only thing that I do not like about these blow outs, it makes for a boring 7/8/9, but I will take it! I do like a little emotion at the end of the game, but my wife has been happy lately as I have not been yelling at the TV or screaming at a late inning come back.

Whatever works I guess! 1GB of the AL Best Record!

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:29 PM by TK Highlight this comment 226

It's a night of round numbers - nice round "10" for the magic number, and the season winning percentage up to a nice round .600.

Speaking of collapsing, Yankees have lost 8 of 10, while the Red Sawx have won 4 straight - unlikely, but it'd be interesting to see the East become a 3-horse race. Green Monsta!

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:41 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 227

Ben:
In hopes that it prevents major gnashing of your teeth at the ballpark over being forced to once again "pick from a pile of what ever is left over": The hankies being handed out at the Cleveland series are of the 2009 variety (which were actually left-overs from 2006). Bremer mentioned this bit of fine print during last night's broadcast.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:21 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 228

What they got rid of all the Inaugural Season ones ;)

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:33 PM by TK Highlight this comment 229

schweady ---

Odd. I had heard that there was a totally new HH on the way - perhaps for later use?

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:34 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 230

Listed as a "classic" HH on the promo schedule. Apparently "classic" = all purpose generic.

Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:54 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 231

Is the HH a tradition that needs to stay at the Dome?

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 06:27 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 232

Just watching Sportscenter and they listed the Twins magic number at 9.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 07:32 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 233

9 would clinch a tie.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 08:16 AM by Rick 234

Probably an oversight, just thought I would point it out. Maybe they cant a tie or think that since that has been the way it's been that is how it should be every year. Not for this fan!

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 08:43 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 235

Joe117,

I say let the HH die. No more Homer Hankies.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 09:07 AM by Another Rick Highlight this comment 236

Letting the hanky die? Blasphemy. Why let something go that is unique to the Twins? Only thing close to it is the Terrible Towl

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 09:20 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 237

Aww man, I had to sell my tickets to my Cleveland game so now I miss out on the HH.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:38 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 238

"Letting the hanky die? Blasphemy. Why let something go that is unique to the Twins? Only thing close to it is the Terrible Towl"

Hardly unique. And, if they are just recycling old ones, already dead.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:43 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 239

LEN3 reported in the Strib last week that the 2010 HH are at the printers. They don't roll them out until postseason is official, but need to make them in advance for manufacturing deadlines.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 240

unlike the wave, the HH is distinctly Twins and something I wouldn't mind seeing carried over from the Dome, even if it wasn't unique (the Terrible Towel was the precedent). However, I don't know that it will have the same effect at TF as it did at the Dome, because the Dome trapped the noise and cheering that came with the HH alot more than TF does.

If they keep the HH, it will be a nice tie to the championships in 87 and 91, even if some of the effect is lost. But the creative Twins marketing team, or one of the partners of the Twins (Best Buy, Target) could come up with something new for TF.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 11:20 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 241

Thunder sticks that you blow like vuvuzelas with cow bells on the ends.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 242

In truth, I haven't actually waved a homer hanky since about 2003. Every year, somebody hands me one, but I just stick it in my pocket, then tack it up on the wall when I get home.

And when they hand me one with a previous year's design, I just toss it or give it to my kids. The half-life of a homer hanky is pretty short, if you ask me.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM by Rick 243

Rick-

I'm the same with the HHs I have picked up over the years.....with the exception of this year's opening day HH....I have that HH framed with the tickets, scorecard, program and a picture of my wife and I proudly displayed behind my wet bar downstairs.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 244

yeah, Buzz, something real clever like that! :-)

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 1:48 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 245

The '87 HH was new, fresh, and unique (1987 was also last century). In '88 ("Just as great in '88) they were cashing in on the '87's. '91 was OK 'cause we were back in the Series, and you might even give give them a pass on '02. Everything else (with the possible exception of the "Inaugural Season") is getting pretty tired, especially if they are just retreads. Time for a new idea?

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 2:26 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 246

Need to correct an earlier post, having just looked back at my hankie collection. The ones we got at 2009's lone playoff game actually have a 2008 copyright mark, not 2006. Suppose they went a little overboard with printing before the loss in Game 163.1. My guess is that there are still a bunch to give away, what with just that one home postseason game that year and all. I'll also guess that there weren't even any printed specifically for that year. Anybody have one marked 2009?

The first time's always your favorite: one of my 1987 hankies is a first-run issue with no StarTribune copyright mark.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 247

The ones given out in 2009 ("Championship Drive") must have been the ones never used in '08 after the 163 loss. With the 3 & out in the ALDS, they must have had plenty left to be able to keep giving them out. Last year they gave out older ones in September as they had to clean out Metrodome storage areas and didn't want to move everything to TF.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:08 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 248

They gave them out at the last Dome weekend, as well as 162.2.

I am starting to realize that I'm not going to be able to log in to the STH presale for Post Season tickets on Tuesday and it is driving me nuts. For one, I bet you will have to go in and buy for every game of the series. And secondly, since Internet Explorer updated the "Enter Validation Code" thing to make sure you're not a robot doesn't show up. I would do it all on my phone but I can just see it not going through. I wish there was a better way.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:24 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 249

I actually just got an e-mail about the Twin's ticket procedure for partials on Tueday and I have to say it sounds pretty fair. I have a 20 game plan and you can get upto your standard ticket amount for either Game 1 or Game 2, but not both. If you buy one of those two game then you get the right to by 2 for Game 3, regardless of how many tickets you have. That all seems fine to me.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 4:38 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 250

if anyone either can't make the sale or would rather sell the tickets, I will pay for your login for the ALDS sale. Email me!

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM by tom Highlight this comment 251

I have two 40-game ST in 306. Monday I'll buy playoff tickets for game 1. Anyone want to buy for game 2 and trade ticket-for-ticket so we can both go to both games? (My wife doesn't need to go.) Click name to e-mail.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:10 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 252

I believe Rick's magic number is correct, not ESPN. The magic number should designate when you win the division, not when are eligible to play a game 163.

IF we complete the sweep, I will predict the TF magic will continue and we will win the division Wednesday night against Cleveland. I think the Sox will pack it in if that happens. However, I do expect Buehrle to beat us tonight....he is very good against us.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:12 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 253

I'll also just add how wonderful it is to be watching meaningful September baseball. I'm not fooling myself -- if I was a Royals/Pirates/Orioles ticket holder, I don't think I could bring myself to care about any September baseball, ever. It will be sweet when they turn it around, but 2 decades is a long time.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:25 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 254

I miss Morneau every time Cuddyer misses a skipped throw. Morneau always got those. Cuddyer looks scared when the ball bounces.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:52 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 255

From first inning tonight:

White Sox slugger Paul Konerko(notes) is staying in the game after getting hit in the face by a pitch from Minnesota’s Carl Pavano(notes) in the first inning.

With two out and a runner on first, Pavano appeared to nail Konerko in the left cheek and nose with an 89-mph pitch Thursday night.

Konerko was tended to for several minutes by trainer Herm Schneider before trotting to first as fans chanted “Paulie! Paulie!” Manny Ramirez(notes) walked to load the bases before Carlos Quentin(notes) popped out to end the inning.

Chicago’s Mark Buehrle(notes) then drilled Michael Cuddyer(notes) in the left shoulder with the first pitch of the second, drawing a warning from plate umpire Jerry Crawford.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:59 PM by tom (aka tcmark) Highlight this comment 256

Dammit, Pavano - time to cut off that 'stache boy...it aint working anymore.
Click my name for a similar Rick Sutcliffe story.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:05 PM by luke Highlight this comment 257

Konerko is a beast. A tip of the cap to him for staying in the game, that's what you'd want your veteran leader to do.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 9:27 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 258

Pretty incredible run for the Twins this year. Dare I say better than the stretch runs the last 2 years. Especially when you account for the loss of your MVP 1st baseman for 1/2 the season and your all-star closer for the entire season.

You can hear a pin drop at Comiskey tonight. No energy whatsoever in the crowd. Is there anything sweeter than that silence during the regular season? Target Field is gonna rock this next homestand as everyone can taste the clinching now. Blood is in the water now, go after homefield throughout the AL playoffs.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:35 PM by Max Highlight this comment 259

It's been 10 seconds no Magic Number update!

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:36 PM by TK Highlight this comment 260

Musta been a gremlin somewhere. I clicked "save" literally as the final out was made.

Favorite part of my day.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM by Rick 261

A first baseman who can at least stop one in the dirt would be nice, but that's life. Twins are on a roll!

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 262

Technically, you can't call it the 'winning' run, but I loved it when the payback HBP that Buehrle was obligated to execute means Cuddyer comes around to score. Needed every run, and that one felt like a freebie.

Coincidentally, I'm in the middle of an entertaining book on the very subject, a retirement gift from my daughter: The Baseball Codes - Beanballs, Sign Stealing, & Bench-Clearing Brawls: The Unwritten Rules of America's Pastime by Jason Turbow. I highly recommend it.

Posted on September 16, 2010 at 11:03 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 263


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– Bernie Williams

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Photo by Tyler Wycoff



This view, through a B ramp window, won't last forever.



1885 Sanborn Map Image (Source: Sanborn Map Collection, Minneapolis Public Library, Copyright © 2001 by The Sanborn Map Company, Sanborn Library, LLC)






The glare problem.



Bruce Lambrecht on the roof of the Minikahda building.



The view down Sixth Street toward the ballpark site. A pedestrian bridge will extend this street right into the main entrance of the park. The regrettable facade of Target Center is on the left. Butler Square is on the right. Click on the image to see what it looked like on this very spot about 100 years ago.






I know you've seen this, but I can't get enough of it.



Final Metrodome baseball sight






Here's another look at the Oliva gate.






Playing surface dirt out there? Maybe. (click to enlarge)






Millers fans leaving Nicollet Park after a game in 1923, where a trolley was waiting. (Click to enlarge.)



Click to enlarge



Skinny dugouts at TF



Two plazas in Spain. (Brad and I were pretending to steal coins from the fountain. We were all just so darn funny back in high school, eh?)



Ballpark elevation viewed from the promenade (HERC plant) side. (Click to enlarge.)



Write your own caption. (Photo by Jeff Ewer)



Nathan greeting the other pitchers on the all-Metrodome team (October 4, 2009)



The circulation ramp on the north now has its louver framing.



This is NOT Twins Territory anymore



A classic profile on the horizon



Photo by Tyler Wycoff









Brick work just inside the opening matches the color of the limestone - per Jerry Bell's requirements.



Clyde Doepner's Met Stadium Memorabilia (Source: LP)



This looks like a Twins Pub, but is actually the scoreboard operations.



Not me, but it might as well be.



Here's the field of posts which will support the third base side of the grandstand. Some walls have started to appear about where the Northstar riders will enter the park.



A truck is leaving the HERC plant. Here you can see the proximity to the promenade. For the record, the truck drove right by me and I smelled nothing...



The creative design of the admin building stands in stark contrast to the horribly pedestrian appearance of the LRT platform. This design looks like it came out of a public transportation manual.



This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of Seventh Street (looking west away from downtown). It's inviting, not imposing, and remarkably dignified.



Some people will go to work here every day.



The limestone now wraps around onto the HERC side.












And another angle looking at the overhang area of the right field pavilion. This looks to me like a great area to watch a game.



Actual LRT tracks are now in the street, and buses now pass over them before entering the transit hub.



A scene repeated about a BILLION times each game



B ramp improvements are finally becoming usable. The doors lead to the plaza beneath the skyway steps.






This is the left field pavilion in the original concept model. The restaurant pictured to its right has been moved, and the seating area has been extended at least one full section toward center.



The Legends Club retail store is just visible at the right of this picture.


Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

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(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

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