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Places: Legends Club, Part 2 (Puckett Side)

August 26, 2010 12:51 AM

Here's something you may not have noticed about the Legends Club: it's lopsided. OK, maybe "asymmetrical" is a nicer way to put it, but there's no doubt that there are seven full sections of seating on the third base side, and only four on the first base side (there are five and a half partial sections in between).

Fun with section counting!

From the seating bowl, the press box separates the two sides, and it's clear that the print press area extends into what might otherwise be club space up the first base line. (People sitting in front of the press box can go either way.)

That was a relatively late change to the overall floor plan of the club level, and the impact inside is really pretty minor. But it does partially explain why this side really does feel smaller on the inside. The other reason is that the event suites encroach from the other end.

But the amenities are every bit as nice. There's a bar right inside the entry.

Friendly faces greet you right inside the door of the Legends Club.


The area is appointed pretty much like the other side.


The Puckett atrium fireplace is just barely visible at the far left.


Other than the player featured and the view out the big windows, this atrium is almost identical to the other. Same bar configuration at one end, and same buffet at the other.



I love this view of the Basilica.



This is also the place where I first glimpsed one of those amazing mobile dessert carts...


The view from the drink rails is also very impressive.


In March, we were still only imagining baseball through those windows.



The Puckett memorabilia displays contain some definite oddities, though these photos once again don't do them justice.


A Tony Oliva tribute wall ends this side of the club as you move toward the other side.

Here's a look into the club from one of the elevator lobbies. Giant photos of Twins line the walls of this long hallway between the two sides of the club.

In case you don't know, that's Earl Battey.


This looks toward the middle of the park. The third base side of the Legends Club is to the right up ahead, while the 573 Club is just barely visible at the end of the hallway. It extends to the left.


Just beyond that, in a sort of no-man's-land between the two sides of the club is a Tom Kelly tribute wall.

I'm sure that even that much attention is uncomfortable for TK, but there's no better place to recognize his contributions to the franchise than the Legends Club.

Loose Threads

I've mentioned it once before, but I've finished poring over the new Steve Berg book about the history of Target Field (available in hardcover now at the ballpark for around $40, or in paperback this coming November). It's just spectacular. Great prose, great pictures. You will not be disappointed.

My full review is coming.

The whole thing inspired me to look back through the archives of information I've accumulated, much of which was posted for a long time on my predecessor web site, or on the DTFC forums. A bunch of these images are now available officially in the book, along with many spectacular images of the early designs which have never been public until now.

But for every small revelation, there is a corresponding and perplexing omission. I'll get into that in more detail in the review. But my research has been aided by reloading some of those original pages, which you can now look through as well.

What you find there, along with a few things I'm still looking for to add back in, are really pretty essential to understanding just how the whole process worked.

Also, I've completely updated my bibliography, which lists over 50 of the books in my collection (the exact number keeps changing) which I use as resources for this site. If you are a ballpark geek, you'll probably find something interesting here -- and many of them can be purchased used for less than the price of a Dugout Dog.

Up next in the tour of places: The 573 Club.

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Thanks again Rick!

From the link you provided Rick, it looks like they have now changed the outdated cover with the one that we are seeing elsewhere. Also, you noted that it was going to be in paperback, looks like it is hardcover on Amazon...

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 01:00 AM by tk Highlight this comment 1

Yep, it does say hardcover on that page. Those pre-release pages aren't very reliable, so I'm not sure what to think. I just know that the paperback version has the release date they show there.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 01:13 AM by Rick 2

The nice thing is all of these places look freaking lame. The actual game seats look much more appealing.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 01:14 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 3

Jim,

It's all about what you're looking for at a game, and how much you have to spend. I think part of the key to TF's long-term success will be that there's something for everybody.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 01:25 AM by Rick 4

Jim, I guess I don't agree the spaces look lame. I toured that area during the Gophers game and have had the opportunity to sit there once this season with some cheap tickets off StubHub. I love the area.

Now, I would rather sit outside in another area of the ballpark, but I think the Legends Club is far from lame. You want to see lame? Check out the club level at U.S. Cellular in Chicago.

I went to a game there a few years ago and scored club seats off eBay. It's kind of like Target Field, but you can't see the field from the level. It's all enclosed except for the doors that lead out to the seating area. They have the occasional TV and couches set up here and there, but for some unexplainable reason few of them were actually showing the game.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 04:37 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 5

I tried to find a photo to show Chicago's club level, but haven't had much success. Click the link on my name for an idea though. It takes you to the Chicago White Sox website and one of the photos on the right side of the text, while small, captures the atmosphere inside U.S. Cellular's club level.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 04:44 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 6

OK - we have an alphabet problem.
Six pictures down...take a very close look.
On the far right of the picture you see section D on the left and Section C on the right, like it's supposed to.
On the far left of the picture you see Section D on the right and Section J to the left??????????
Where the hell are all the others???

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 06:51 AM by luke Highlight this comment 7

Because of the press box that doorway is used to access sections D, E, F, G, H and J. Thus J-D. I suppose it would have been a bit much to put all of the letters up there, don't ya think?

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 07:55 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 8

Speaking of the alphabet - to avoid confusion between letters and numbers there is no Section "I" or "O" on the Legends Club.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 08:47 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 9

Luke,

Read those dashes as "through". In other words, this door goes to sections "J through D".


It's only confusing because the letters appear to be in the wrong order, but they are like that because section J is to the left as you exit the door.

And thanks, clublevelfan, for reminding me of that. It's a funny little quirk of the section numbering.

Did you also know that there is no section 328 in the ballpark?

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 09:24 AM by Rick 10

I want to say that tickets for the Rooftop do say "328", but my tickets are at home and I'm not. Or maybe that's what I think it said, because that's what section number should be there.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 09:35 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 11

That would make sense, though it isn't on the seating chart that way.

It looks sort of like the View level design might have once contained a small triangular section 328 that was ultimately scrapped.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 09:43 AM by Rick 12

Regarding the blue tops on the road, this came up during a TV broadcast the other night. Apparently the gray shirts are made out of a heavier material, so they are hot. The Blues are very lightweight so much more comfortable to wear. I'm guessing as it cools down we see more gray again, as we did early in the season.

Bremer said this is one of the most common questions he answers from fans.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 09:49 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 13

Rick, good review on the other half of LC. Regarding the lameness of it, I'll agree that there really is no party to be had inside the LC area. For me, and many, it's just about an opportunity to get cooled off or warmed up while you're taking a leak or getting another dog or drink.

Early on the crowd seemed a little uppety, but that seems to have changed as the season has gone on. They are pretty much just regular fans in there now.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 09:50 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 14

why aren't the legends sections named after actual legends instead of lame & stale letters?

A aguilera or allison
B blyleven or battey
C gaetti (no real C greats that aren't already honored w/ a gate)
D gladden (same w/ D...)
E mudcat grant (same w/ E...)
F gagne(same w/ F...)
G guardado
H hunter
J kaat (no real J greats...)
K tk
L larkin (a stretch, i know, but he'll always be known for the series-winning hit in '91)
M morris
N molitor (no real N greats...)
P reardon (no real P greats...)
Q viola (no real Q greats...)

others worth considering: winfield, versalles, and tovar

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 15

Yes the Twins are labeling the Bud Deck as Section 328 on the tickets for up there.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 11:15 AM by Max Highlight this comment 16

yeahklye, I really like the idea of the Legends Club naming idea. That would be a nice addition.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 17

The Twins just signed a deal with the company that does dynamic pricing for SF Giants tickets. http://www.ticketnews.com/features/Digonex-signs-dynamic-ticket-pricing-deal-with-the-Minnesota-Twins081026484

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM by tom Highlight this comment 18

I apologize if this has been asked before, but is there a way to search through all the old articles/comments?

I am trying to find what the view is from the upper rows in the Home Plate Box, sec 116 to be exact.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 2:11 PM by Thrillhouse Highlight this comment 19

Thrillhouse,

I haven't done any systematic photography like that, and I don't think such a thing is available on the Twins web site. Your best best is probably still the 3D seat locator, which I believe is still available.

It has proven to be very accurate.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 2:19 PM by Rick 20

Thanks Rick,

so is there a search engine for your website so i could type in say sec 116, and see if anyone has commented on it?

keep up the good work!

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 2:26 PM by Thrillhouse Highlight this comment 21

The seating view tool is still on the Twins website:

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/min/ballpark/seat_view.jsp

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 2:51 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 22

From Twinsbaseball.com

On Friday September 3rd...
4:40 p.m. - The Twins will unveil a statue of Calvin Griffith, the original owner of the Minnesota Twins, on Target Plaza.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 23

I'm glad the seat viewer came up. It looks like the view for rows 13-18 in Home Plate Box is from Row 13? (There is no canopy overhead). Has anyone determined what the last tolerable row is in Home Plate Box to have a full view of everything?

I am interested in seeing how improvements go this year. I'm guessing there will be a potential debate over moving closer to home plate, but moving up a few rows, potentially under the overhang. I'm convinced I don't want to be more than one row under it, as all you hear is concourse noise once you get under it, and you don't feel like you're outside anymore.

Can the Twins really give each STH an choice or series of choices on seat improvement? I'd be interested in what anyone has heard from their rep on this.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 24

In the Home Plate Box sections, the overhang of the Legends Club seats starts at row 16. The view (when seated) is perfectly fine all the way to row 24, and obstructed beyond that (including the WC seats).

Most of those sections don't have more than 24 rows in them. The following sections have 28 rows: 110, 112, 114, 116, and 118.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM by Rick 25

Something new every day:

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2010/04/21/fordham-baseball-player-brian-kownacki-believes-he-can-fly/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl9|link3|http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2010/04/21/fordham-baseball-player-brian-kownacki-believes-he-can-fly/

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 26

Thanks Rick, that helps

I just picked up 4 tickets today in sec 116 from the Twins, my in laws are in town that night seeing their first game at target field. I might try and sell these and get some better seats where they can see more for their first game. My normal seats are in 214 and i love them, but those are already spoken for when they are in town.

I see craigslist has some offers, but nothing great.

thanks again

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 3:34 PM by Thrillhouse Highlight this comment 27

I should note that the obstruction in those back rows is just of the sky and the scoreboard. They're really not all that bad.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 3:35 PM by Rick 28

If you were bringing your parent in laws to their first game, would you want seats where you could see everything, or most things? :)

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 3:41 PM by Thrillhouse Highlight this comment 29

I just couldn't get over the fact of not being able to see a fly ball from start to finish when I'm supposed to be sitting "outdoors"...part of an obsession that there is only medication for, but no cure.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 4:03 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 30

Well --- "being able to see a fly ball from start to finish" does not seem like an unreasonable expectation at a ballgame - at least not to me.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 4:36 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 31

Thanks for straightening me out on that.
The enlarged pic does help.
If any are interested, the Marlins have a 3D seating thing up now for their new ballpark.
Thank GOD we didn't build one with a retractable roof. This thing looks like a friggin' gymnasium. Or an airplane hangar.
And, I think the Marlins have picked up on a TF idea, it appears that they will have those little four-seat rows above the upper level tunnels as well.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 6:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 32

dammit - wrong again. I think the Nationals have those too.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 6:20 PM by luke Highlight this comment 33

Busch Stadium as well.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 7:52 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 34

Thrillhouse - expect some level of view obstruction in row 17 and above.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 8:11 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 35

With 24K+ FSE sold as full season tickets and some block reserved for group sales, do the Twins really need to do dynamic pricing via the SEATS system for individual game sales?

I'm guessing there will be some upset STHs if the dynamic pricing leads to a per game price lower than the full-season STH cost.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 8:17 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 36

Dyanic pricing almost always means how high can you go vs how low can you go...see sf giants individual game pricing.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 8:22 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 37

I can see why someone is not impressed by club areas, etc., but if you actually sit in the seats themselves there is nothing lame about it. The Twins managed to combine amenities, etc, for people who like that, with a great ballgame view for the real hardcore fans. To each their own, but being able to have both is nice. And the price is just a little more than Home Plate Box and less than Dugout Box. (I guess the PSL should be factored in though)

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 9:15 PM by robin Highlight this comment 38

You don't have to pay a PSL on Stubhub!

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 9:20 PM by Rick 39

Everybody should take a look at that Marlins 3D seat locator, then breathe a heavy sigh of relief.

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 9:26 PM by Rick 40

Just checked out the new Marlins park...YIKES!!!

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 12:09 AM by sw Highlight this comment 41

Yeah, I was just trolling the Marlins site as well. Besides the inevitable airplane hanger look, a couple of other things caught my eye:

1) Marlin Legend club seats are much more expensive, but come with $15/$25 food/bev/merchandise credits per game, and a parking spot. In fact, a big selling point seems to be packing a parking spot with all sorts of seating types.

2) They are auditioning for the Mermaids, because you know you can't have baseball without a dance line!

3) The one unique thing I liked was the slightly wavy left field wall. I hope they keep that...it is unique and in keeping with Miami, but without overdoing it. I'll be interest to see how the centerfield round tank wall actually meets the right field wall.

4) As always, it is tough to conclude what the project actually costs, but I'll go with $515M plus the parking ramps (which it looks like the city is building but the Marlins are leasing). Given that we spent $545M, and don't have all the roof infrastructure, it will be interesting to watch the tradeoffs the Marlins make. I'll also predict their ownership group does not pop for extra/enhancements as we go (and like the Pohlads did).

5) Absolutely no mention of public transportation at all. You drive to our big ramp, damnit!

Well, at least it keeps the team for 35 years, and so that is good for baseball fans in Miami!

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 07:20 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 42

Happy Birthday to the big guy, Jim Thome. 40 today!

I'm glad he's finally on our side. :-)

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 09:18 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 43

Rick,

No PSLs on StubHub but you'll also pay a ridiculous 10% commission as a buyer plus shipping/hsndling/order fee. In addition the seller prices their tickets accordingly because they pay 15% commission so in all StubHub/MLB is getting a whopping 25%. That to me is borderline criminal for what they provide. But I understand some people are timid/shy and would rather pay a premium for tickets at their computer than meet another human being (Hello 21st century). Everybody wins when a buyer and a seller can mutually agree to a price without all the middlemen taking their cut of the pie.

Really no reason not to use TC Traders (although there has been very little inventory all season) or something like Craigslist where there aren't inherent fees in using the service. I personally have had fantastic experiences both buying tickets to games (use a little common sense) and selling my extra season tickets on occasion. You meet someone in person, look them in the eye, face to face, and exchange tickets for cash. Everybody wins.

Personally I have refused to buy/sell on StubHub unless absolutely necessary (which is almost never).

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 11:06 AM by Max Highlight this comment 44

Max, I've never been ripped off through StubHub. Wish I could say the same for tickets I bought off eBay or Craigslist.

So, yeah, you are paying more, but you're paying for peace of mind and convenience.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 12:23 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 45

Buffalo,

I am interested in how you got ripped off on ebay or craigslist. I sell almost all my tickets on craigslist. When I do put them on StubHub I charge at least 15% more to make up for the fee.

There is always some trust involved with craiglist but I have never had a bad experience buying or selling.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 1:41 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 46

Don't get me wrong. I've only been ripped off a couple times, once through eBay and once through Facebook. One time on Facebook the guy apparently reported the tickets lost and got news ones issued after he sold me mine. I was able to get my money back on that one.

On the Craigslist one it was a similar incident. I met them downtown, paid for the tickets and then once we got to the gate they said the barcode had already been scanned. So we were out of luck on that one. I would never buy tickets from someone off Craigslist again. No guarantees you're dealing with someone on the up-and-up.

I've also had the scenario of lazy sellers on eBay not getting me my tickets in time for the event. I also had Rage Against the Machine tickets last summer when they were in town and the seller managed to send my tickets to the wrong address.

Like I was saying, you don't have to worry about any of that if you buy off StubHub and have them instantly delivered. Again, peace of mind and you don't need to drive somewhere to meet up to exchange tickets for payment before event.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 2:32 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 47

robin - not sure I would factor in the PSL until the point we have some evidence people are losing money on resales (vs. making a profit). I see the PSL as a non-issue, because I don't believe I'll have any trouble recouping that (and probably more) when the time comes to sell them. Until then, my only "cost" is the interest I'd lost on the $4K.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 5:32 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 48

From the postseason ticket information that is now on the Twins website it looks like the Twins plan to sell postseason "Legends Club Drink Rail" tickets (for the same price as regular Legends Club postseason tickets by the way). This would seem to disadvantage Legends Club season ticket holders who want to use their regular tickets but also have the benefit of using the inside seats as need be (and as they have done all season long). Does anyone have any info on this?

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 5:38 PM by matt (aka msp) Highlight this comment 49

Rick, taking a look at the 3D views of the New Marlins park, I think Target Field is more accessible. According to the views, there are permanent seats in the Wheelchair sections, just like TCF Bank Stadium. I am going to write a post about it sometime this week.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 5:50 PM by michael Highlight this comment 50

Post Season comment:

I understand that the Twins have to do what they need to do for ticket availability, but I sure wish the Twins would have allowed at minimally those with 40 games who have been with the Twins since at least 2009, and 20 game plans since 2008, an opportunity to purchase a full strip of games, opposed to Game 1 or Game 2, with the potential for Game 3.

I completely understand that I will likely not sit in the same seat that I would normally during the season, that was understood going in, but sure would be nice to get an opportunity at a full strip before any partials would go to the public. JMHO

This is especially the case when you have a 2 family ticket partners who split 40 games. Let's say we go to the WS, we only have the opportunity at ticket for 4 of the 10 potential OR 5 of the 10 home games.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 6:48 PM by tk Highlight this comment 51

Also, I am not sure if it was the Twins or MLB who created the pricing structure for post-season play, but it is not the most balanced pricing I have ever seen.

I have full-season in skyline and will be paying the following:

Skyline:
Season ALCS ALDS WS Strip Tot
$18 $30/$90 $50/$200 $125/$375 $665

Overlook:
Season ALCS ALDS WS Strip Tot
$27 $35/$105 $60/$240 $150/$450 $795

I had a long week, so I am not going to run statistic formulas, and maybe I am the only one that cares, but for the ALCS, one in the 3rd deck is paying $12 more/game, while the Overlook is paying only $8 more/game, to what the regular season costs.

In both locations, they are paying $32 more/game for the ALDS and the Lower Level finally gets charged proportionally more for the WS. So it looks like Upper is hit harder on the first series, balanced pricing for the ALDS, and hit less of an increase for the WS.

Overlook % $ increase from Season ($27) to Postseason ($35/60/150):

ALCS ALDS WS
29% more $ 122% more $ 550% more $

Skyline % $ increase from Season ($18) to Postseason ($35/60/150):

ALCS ALDS WS
168% more $ 277% more $ 694% more $

Either way, I guess they are either overcharging for upper deck, or under charging the lower level. I just happen to be in the overcharged category. In the end, its Twins Postseason we are talking, so I should just be happy, right?

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 7:16 PM by tk Highlight this comment 52

Not sure why all the editing went funky, I will try and put into excel later to make it more legible.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 7:17 PM by tk Highlight this comment 53

Rick, taking a look at the 3D views of the New Marlins park, I think Target Field is more accessible. According to the views, there are permanent seats in the Wheelchair sections, just like TCF Bank Stadium. I am going to write a post about it sometime this week.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 7:57 PM by michael Highlight this comment 54

Skyline view and overlook are not the biggest problems I have TK. Take a look at some of the other pricing issues.

Only looking at potential world Series prices compared to regular season prices.

Homeplate terrace 37 to 200
Field terrace 27 to 175
Legends club 55 to 200
Diamond Box 48 to 200
Field box 37 to 190

Why are Homeplate terrace the same price as both Legends club and Diamond box. Normally, they are not even close to the same price. Field terrace is normally half the price of Legends club and during a potential world series they almost 90% of the price. Go figure.

Could it be that both Field box and Field terrace did not require full season packages to purchase in those areas? I doubt you will find a single STH that will turn down the chance at post season tickets, regardless of the price.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 8:25 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 55

Twins acquire reliever Fuentes from Angels
CLICK MY NAME FOR DETAILS

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 8:37 PM by michael Highlight this comment 56

minn55441,

I did not mean to state that was my only concern. Dug Out Box seems to be the best value to my perception. Only a 300% mark-up for the WS. I wish I could get down there! I am assuming those were not Sold Out for the STH, but I doubt me in 1/2 season Diamond Box will get a chance for seats down there...

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM by tk Highlight this comment 57

MLB sets playoff Tix prices, not the teams.

$200 for a WS seat anywhere in the stadium is a steal. Phillies WS SRO were $400 ea on Stubhub last year, and if we make it they will be going for at least that much.

Posted on August 27, 2010 at 11:19 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 58

Why exactly did the Angels place Fuentes on waivers, and why did so many teams pass? This seems like a steal for the Twins bullpen, or is there something I must obviously be missing?

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 12:42 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 59

Worlds Series tickets used to be way underpriced. In 1991, there were two price levels for tickets; $40 and $60. It was within a couple years of that that baseball decided that the WS was underpriced. But even at $200, they don't even approach Super Bowl prices.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 03:30 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 60

There is only ONE Super Bowl, but four to seven World Series games.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 11:01 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 61

Regarding playoff strips: Buy now, and either enjoy the games, or enjoy a 200% profit. No reason to see any negatives in that. Or, sell, half the games and go to the other half for free.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 12:50 PM by mhalv68@gmail.com Highlight this comment 62

Dr. X - I wonder how much the NFL is going to charge to sit in Jerry Jones' Palace next year for the Super Bowl...
Tickets were well over $1,000 for some tickets last year. What do you think, Super Bowl XLV, Dallas, first $1,500 ticket??

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 12:53 PM by luke Highlight this comment 63

Oh, for "Q", could Frank Quilici be considered for the Legends Club section naming idea?? Never saw the man play ball, so I don't know if he qualifies as a legend.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 12:57 PM by luke Highlight this comment 64

Quilici was not a "legend" type ballplayer - mostly utility infielder and role player, albeit with a few shining moments - nor is he considered to be one of the great managers in baseball history. That said, he was/is about as nice a guy as you could ever meet and is a fondly remembered and enormously popular ex-Twin. Certainly a "legend" in my book!

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 2:04 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 65

Thanks Ben.

I was wondering if any of ya'll remember a special section in the Star Tribune, I think it was Oct. 4 of last year, that was on the Metrodome.
And I was wondering if any of ya'll maybe had a copy or extra copy you'd be willing to part with.
Doing some house cleaning...and I thought I had it, and I can't find it. What I do know is that it was Section W, and I'm pretty sure it was in the Sunday edition (Oct 4 was technically the last game)...
Click my name to email me if you know anything.

Thanks.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 4:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 66

As Tom points out, MLB sets the post-season seating/pricing levels, but the individual clubs are given choices for some levels (e.g. you can price the ticket at $x or $Y).

It looks like the Twins opted for the lower price points, at least for the seat type levels I'm aware of comparables for.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 7:20 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 67

FYI, Frank Quilici is a subscriber here, though I don't know if he tracks the comments. He's a great guy who I worked with on a video project for the AccuBat.

When we first met (just after last year's World Series), he spent an hour telling Noah and me baseball stories. It was a blast. I explained to Noah that Frank had actually played in the World Series.

Noah had two questions:

"Who did you play?" It was the Dodgers, Frank said.

"Well, who won?" Noah asked with the deep innocence of a five-year-old.

Frank just smiled.

"Unfortunately," he started, "Yom Kippur didn't last long enough to keep Sandy Koufax from pitching game seven, and we lost."

(I'm sure he's told that story a time or two.)

And, as far as legends go, Frank did hit two singles in the same inning off Don Drysdale in game one. It was a WS record at the time, that I think still stands.

And since he's also a former manager, I think that would qualify him for a section name -- an idea I sure do like. I mean, just what constitutes a "legend" anyway? It's just a good story, right?

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 7:56 PM by Rick 68

By the way, Max, I as just being cheeky about PSLs and Stubhub. You sure don't have to convince me that the Stubhub fees are highway robbery. That was the whole reason for TC Traders in the first place.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 7:59 PM by Rick 69

We all remember Rick's post a couple months ago letting us all know that Cub Foods was selling the Schweigert Twins hot dogs on the consumer market.
It's been great...seriously, it's now the only dogs I'll buy at the store.
Bought some today at my local Cub. Meat guy proceeds to tell me that what they had in stock was it. They weren't getting anymore in.
He cites a lack of consumer interest and sales. Has anyone else encountered that (those that buy them)? I don't know if it's just my Cub that's not selling them anymore, if Schweigert figures it was a bad experiment and you'll only get them at the ballpark, or if another retailer will sell them (I think Target sells them also).

Oh...and I think I asked somewhere way back when, just cant remember where, but is the Killebrew Root Beer available on the market anyplace? I had one at the Mariners game on the 1st. One of the best root brews I've ever had.

Posted on August 28, 2010 at 10:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 70

Killebrew rootbeer is available at either Lunds or Byerlys or both. Had myself A six pack of it awhile back good stuff.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 03:12 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 71

Anyone know if the Twins play the NL West or Central in 2011?

K

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 09:23 AM by Kramer Highlight this comment 72

The Marlins and their new stadium are in some hot water. Click name

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 12:44 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 73

It was very strange walking into Mall of America Field last night after spending the last few months going to Target Field.

Back to the crowded concourses, troughs in restrooms, long restroom lines, narrow aisles, revolving doors and so on...

Lots of new food items/concessions, no more Coca Cola products at MOA Field either. Didn't think too much of the Sheboygen Sausauge, I definitely think Hormel had the better hot dogs.

Also noticed they kept informing fans of the Dual-games on Thursday night, so it could be pretty ugly in downtown that night as this will be the first time ever that both the Vikings and Twins have played at the same time at home. Not to mention its also a weeknight, meaning the regular rush hour traffic will be an issue as well.

For anyone going to any games on Thursday night, click link for Metro Transit info...It's about time they will not allow the trains to fill up to capacity at MOA. They should have been regulating that first stop a long time ago. www.metrotransit.org/sept2

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 74

Reposting my reaction to the article linked above by deenels:

I read the Jeff Passan piece about the Marlin's ballpark financing (it was a Yahoo headline), and was not really surprised or offended. Much of it was the same old "stadiums are swindles" diatribe.

All of the whining by Passan about what the Marlins may or may not have been concealing rings a little hollow. These new documents appear to pretty much confirm the Forbes estimations of the Marlins' revenue and operating income (actually, they come in a little less than the estimates). In other words, anyone who bought the line that the Marlins were destitute didn't even bother to do a simple Google search.

Of course Loria had to say that kind of crap. It's how the game is played. What's news about that?

What's more, it's not the team's fault that the county decided to borrow money to pay for the stadium in very weird and slushy deals which appear to bet on the movement of interests rates and such. Many governmental entities know how to do incredibly stupid things without the help of major league ball clubs. (Makes you kind of appreciate even more the deal that Hennepin County got with the Twins, eh?)

Then there is this absurd quote from Neil ("Field of Schemes") deMause: "The stadiums have become part of the business model for teams." The only problem with that quote is that it's been true for about 125 years.

Don't get me wrong: The process by which most new stadiums get built amounts to teams extorting governmental entities. But this is nothing new. And it ignores the fact that governments do it because, deep down inside, we -- the public -- really want them to.

In all, I thought it was pretty much a non-story.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 4:37 PM by Rick 75

luke,

I did try those Twins hot dogs, as I said back then, but I didn't really like any of them. Too salty/mealy compared to other grocery store hot dogs. I'm back to my standard Oscar Meyer.

And I have to say that I've pretty much stopped buying them at the ballpark as well. They just don't taste good to me there either. It's hard to admit, but I think they had tastier dogs back at the Dome, though the whole drawer thing kind of ruined the experience.

Take the Hormel dogs from the Dome, grill them like they do at TF, and then you've got something.

My preference now is the pulled pork sandwich, or a corn dog at the State Fair booth.

And, on the subject of Killebrew Root Beer...


...Noah took a few sips and then completely rejected it. It definitely has a different flavor from your typical root beer. More ginger, maybe? (I liked it just fine.)

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 4:53 PM by Rick 76

Rick -

On the issue of the hot dogs...I agree about the Big Dog at least. Way too salty for me (probably why they put them on those huge hoagie buns). The aftertaste sticks with you for a couple days...lol. I do however like the Dugout Dog still.
Of all the foodstuffs I've had at TF, I'd have to say that cheeseburger basket still tops them all, and next time out, I'll be getting one of those.
Speaking of hot dogs, click my name for a report about the Vikings introducing the "QB Dog" as the replacement for the Dome Dog. And, it sounds like the Vikes are also going the way of the Twins and serving up Pepsi at the Dome too.
The Killebrew root beer was good...tasted maybe like Diet A/W, which is one of my favorites. Good flavor I thought, maybe needed a bit more carbonation in it to give it a little bite. The carbonation in Killebrew's does resemble pop that's been in the fridge too long. Other than that, I thought it was worth tracking the vendor down for.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 5:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 77

I've never had the root beer by itself, but my daughter and I love splitting one of the huge root beer floats they offer in the Town Ball Tavern. Pricey, but well worth it. If you haven't had one or seen one of these before, click on my name for a photo.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 78

OMG...that invokes the wow factor in my book.
How much do you put down for that? I'd say at least 6 bucks, if not more??

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 6:19 PM by luke Highlight this comment 79

Rick, taking a look at the 3D views of the New Marlins park, I think Target Field is more accessible. According to the views, there are permanent seats in the Wheelchair sections, just like TCF Bank Stadium. I am going to write a post about it sometime this week.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 6:20 PM by michael Highlight this comment 80

That's the third time for that post now. what's the deal?

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 7:23 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 81

The colossal root beer float is something like $10. Can't remember the exact price, but it's definitely pricey.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 7:50 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 82

The tacos are good and a lot to eat for $5 and the nachos are a meal

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 8:08 PM by Paul Highlight this comment 83

I also can happily second the cheeseburger recommendation. Great burger, great value.

Has anybody had the mini-donuts?

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 8:11 PM by Rick 84

michael - i understand you are crazy about wheelchair sections, etc. but i believe you are incorrect when it comes to the gophers new football stadium.

pretty sure the seats in the wheelchair accessible sections at tcf bank stadium are truly "mobile" in design and can be removed if/when necessary to accommodate those in wheelchairs. if they are not needed by those in wheelchairs they are then sold/used as "regular" seats with cup holders, etc. this is a smart approach by the gophers and tcf bank stadium.

this approach/design of the ADA space at tcf bank stadium seems like a much better idea to me than what the ADA space is at target field (i.e. just allowing all of that space to be exclusively "used" as stark/open concrete wheelchair space and/or requiring people to sit in uncomfortable folding chairs if they are not in a wheelchair.)

i think tcf bank stadium "got it right" in their truly flexible use of ADA space when compared to target field.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 8:24 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 85

My TOP 3
Kramarczuk Polish Sausage.. Bases Loaded(kraut & fried onions)
Cheeseburger basket
Tacos.. 2 for 5.00 @ Senor smokes

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 9:19 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 86

I attended the Vikes game last night at the Dome and a number of changes have been made with the departure of the Twins and Gophers.

- The red support beams outside are now painted purple.

- The Vikes have taken over the old Twins ticket office on Chicago Avenue while their old ticket office backing onto the parking lot has been converted into a hospitality area.

- The formerly red walls leading into the restrooms are now purple.

- Coke is out. The soft drink of choice is now Pepsi.

- That change alone ruffled some feathers, but it was compounded by the fact that the soda fountains are history too. Pop is now only sold in 20 ounce bottles (and they keep the cap as always). Coke and Pepsi fans alike, it is an understatement to say people were unhappy about this.

- The wholesale concession area on the upper deck around section 225 is gone. In its place is a full bar and separate carts for Miller and Leine's. This enables the Dome to remove some carts from the concourse whose lines have caused major congestion in recent seasons while also increasing the capacity of those beverage service units. The roving vendors must now go someplace else, presumably in the bowels of the Dome, to restock.

- The former Dome Dog is now the Quarterback Dog and is served minus the chips (the chips were last included at Vikes games in 2008).

- All interior photos and display cases that once held Twins and Gopher paraphenalia now feature only Vikings items.

- The Vikes now control all the signage in the seating bowl (MSFC long kept an iron grip on this inventory), so the sponsor mix is quite different.

- The red and blue Field Fare concession stand signs are now purple and gold.

- New artificial turf has been installed that is more football oriented in its look and feel. The cut outs for the bases are gone and the mound used for the odd college game is now placed atop the turf instead of being raised and lowered by hydraulics, meaning the mound cut out is gone too.

There are probably some other changes that I didn't or couldn't see. Nevertheless, all the changes are like putting lipstick on a pig. The place looked bad enough, but now that Target Field is open, it looks worse than ever. The replay boards in particular look horrendous by comparison.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 10:31 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 87

I was also at the Vikes' game, and Jorge is right; those crummy, little replay boards looked pathetic after seeing the Target Field and TCFBS boards.
One other change: Condiment counters, which used to be on the walls opposite the concession stands, are now on the same side of the concourse, at least in the area near my seats. It did help a little in evening out traffic flow. It's still bad, though.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 10:43 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 88

Dr. X, where did you sit? I was in section 227 and the condiments are still in the same place as always for the upper deck area stretching from Gate E over to Gate G.

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 89

Betaband, have you ever sat in the wheel chair seats? I've sat there with my grandfather and my dad on a couple occasions and those folding seats in no way are uncomfortable. If anything they are more comfortable than most of the regular seats.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 01:05 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 90

I was in 224, and I remember the condiment counters being on the wall nearest the doors leading into the tunnels. Saturday, they were mounted on either end of the concession stand. Perhaps my memory isn't what it used to be.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 05:52 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 91

TWINS MAGIC NUMBER: 28

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 10:32 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 92

RE: Vikings

Just outta curiosity, have the Vikings added any new food/concession offerings? My last game at the Dome was approximately 1992 against the Philadelphia Eagles led by Randall Cunningham.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 10:36 AM by Max Highlight this comment 93

As I said long ago when Target Field first open, I miss the Hormel dogs from the dome. I know people hate the drawers, but hey kept the hot dogs warm, the buns moist and they were fast, plus the foil wrapper was great. Unlike TF where they have to waddle over and grab one off the rollers, place it in the bun on a doily thats been sitting in the air too long and is now somewhat hard. Ill be happy to go back to a Vikings game and get a regular hot dog from there.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM by duffman Highlight this comment 94

Just outta curiosity, have the Vikings added any new food/concession offerings? My last game at the Dome was approximately 1992 against the Philadelphia Eagles led by Randall Cunningham.

The additional concession offerings you saw at Twins games at the Metrodome from 1992 through 2009 would have been available at Vikings games held during the same era and are largely still in place for 2010 and 2011. After that, who knows?

There are a few changes this year, notably Crack Jack getting the boot due to being more associated with baseball and the previously mentioned move from Coke to Pepsi. I didn't wander around much and couldn't see if any other big changes had been made. The most siginificant thing was the bar area behind 225. It's nothing as nice as even the Twins Pub at Target Field, but at least it will service more fans and keep the concourses as bit less crowded.

In retrospect the lack of soda fountains is confusing. At the time I figured they didn't want to invest in new Pepsi fountains when the stadium has such a short remaining lifespan. However, the various capital improvements made since last season would have to have cost much more, so why not just add the soda fountains? Anyway, they didn't, so it's bottled pop from here on in. The beer is still sold at concession stands from the tap as opposed to going to a bottle only system as is mostly the case at Target Center.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 95

Since the Twins played the Cubs, Cards, Strohs, and Pirates last season (2009) it should be an NL West schedule in 2011.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 96

Would like to see a 6-3 homestand and the whitties go 4-5 or worse! Will be interesting to see what Manny does tonight on WGN. Think he cuts the mop? I'm sure the Hawk will put his positive spin on it! LOL! Would be nice to be up by at least 6.5 games come next monday! Next game wed night vs Tigers. So far 10-7 record at TF!

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 3:34 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 97

Sounds like Ramirez reports to the Sox tomorrow. This according to ESPN.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 4:01 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 98

Does anyone know if there's a diagram someplace (crazy question I know) that shows all of the SRO places at TF??
I am thinking I might get an SRO ticket for one of the final regular season games.

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 10:12 PM by luke Highlight this comment 99

Cmon Luke. You are the king of stupid questions. Anywhere in Target Field is fair game for SROs...

Posted on August 30, 2010 at 11:06 PM by Max Highlight this comment 100

I hope you were kidding Luke...Do you honestly think they would have a "seating chart" or map for SRO tickets?

I hope you talk with Jonie first to make sure she is ok with standing for 3+ hours...My girlfriend said absolutely no to SRO tickets in July so you better confer with Jonie before you go ahead and buy SRO tickets.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:18 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 101

Rumor has it that the season ticket holder "guarantee giveaway" box 2 of 2 will include both a Minnie & Paul Bobblehead and a mini Target Field replica...if this is true, folks such as Ben and myself will be pleasantly pleased with our $50 purchases.

I guess we won't know the truth until they are shipped next week...

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:23 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 102

I have not received the redemption card for Bobbleheads for STH. Is anyone else in the same position. My rep stated that they are sending them out periodically, but I have not seen mine as of yet. Am I the only one not to get yet? :)

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:49 AM by tk Highlight this comment 103

Yes Mike, just for you...I was kidding...lol.
Gotcha good.
Not true, Max. I don't think they'd let you in the LC or the CC with an SRO ticket. DYT?
Not to disappoint too many here, but Joni and I have pretty much decided to break it off. Sorry fellas and ladies.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 07:09 AM by luke Highlight this comment 104

Mike ---

Pretty much the only way they could make up for the sour joke that was box #1 - they are not complete idiots, just weasels.

tk ---

Time to start asking questions of your rep.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 08:23 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 105

No more complaining about ticket prices. This is the homestand you have been waiting for.

I already have my tickets, but if you are thinking about catching a few games over the next week, it is a buyers market on Stubhub. For Wednesday's game, they have field box 9th row for $14. I would think the prices will only continue to drop as we head through the weekend.

Weather is great. The team is in 1st place. It sounds like a great time to catch a game at below face value.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 09:52 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 106

Wow, wheelchair row section 115 for $25 for tonight's game. I guess when the kids go back to school their parents quit buying Twins tickets.

I hope this hits some STH that were speculating on re-sale before their renewals so they let some good seats go up for improvement for everyone else.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 11:59 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 107

Good Minnesotans...nothing gets in the way of a school night! I'm sure the fair and Vikings are also sucking some discretionary dollars out of folks pockets.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:27 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 108

JCTwins,

Tickets will always sell for the other dates. It is just bad timing right now for the season. One of the bigger travel weeks/weekends for the summer and State Fair. Gaga is also in town, and Vikings pre-season Thursday.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:27 PM by tk Highlight this comment 109

you'd think state fair would mean tickets would go up? people from all over minnesota/surrounding areas in town and would love to see a twins game. Strange

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:33 PM by tom (aka tcmark) Highlight this comment 110

It seems to me demand really went up when school got out, and the weather warmed up. It seems to me between now and the playoffs we may see the other side of the bell curve. I think it could be a pretty normal cycle until this team becomes a top top tier team and the fan base gets more intense.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:35 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 111

If you ever had a doubt that the Twins sell excess inventory on StubHub (I'm sure other teams do too), look at the 9/8 game vs. the Royals, in the Home Plate View sections. Whole upper rows in Sections 321 and 322 are available. Heck, everything above row 9 in section 321 is amazingly available. I assume these are the types of blocks they hold for group sales.

Twins on-line ticketing says these tickets are not available. Stub Hub shows 4087 tickets available for this game. Yikes, that is 10% of the inventory

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:38 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 112

JC -- that is what is so funny....it doesn't matter how well the Twins play, or for how long. Minnesotans just change once Labor Day hits. Over 5000 Stub Hub tickets available on Tuesday, 9/7. How could there be more excitement than right now, being 4 games up in the first year of TF? This isn't changing.

Demand for playoff tickets, however, will likely be very high don't you think?

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 12:47 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 113

I agree with the post-season screwing the Twins are giving the 40 game plan people. I started with a 20 game plan back in 2002 and moved up to a 41 game in 2006 so I could keep my good seats for the playoffs. Then with Target Field coming "on line" I started sending e-mails asking questions about how they were going to be handling things like the Home Opener, Playoff Seats, etc., knowing full well that there weren't going to be enough seats for all the partial season ticket holders to get full strips. The e-mails go conveniently unanswered, and the phone calls are answered with "we don't know yet"--and now I know why. Since moving to Target Field and paying more money for worse seats:

1. Sorry, you can't get seats anywhere as close as you used to sit at the dome, even if you want to pay more, you can't without a full season ticket.
2. Sorry, you no longer get to keep your seats for the Home Opener, it's not included in the package, so you'll have to pay more for a random (lousy, compared to your regular season seats), Ticketmaster generated "best available" seat.
3. Sorry, you no longer get to keep your seats for any potential Post Season games.
4. Sorry, you can't even buy tickets to all the Post Season games because we want to make sure the 20 game plan people that have been with us for two years get to go too.

How is any of that fair to the people who've been with the club for many years? I could have bought a crappy upper deck seat 20 game package at the dome last year for the first time, and have just as good a chance as a 15 year, 40 game package patron. Basically, it looks like if you're not a full season ticket holder, they just don't care. I sent an angry e-mail to my ticket rep, but she was "out of office" until Monday and would "get back to her e-mails on Monday". Guess what? I haven't heard back, surprise, surprise. It would be one thing if they had said up front how it was going to be, but they basically stonewalled when you tried to find anything out ahead of time. It makes me sick

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 1:16 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 114

Oh, forgot to mention another little ditty from the postseason letter---not only don't you get to buy full strips to the games, they warn you that the seats you do get to try for (it'll be an online dash thing) aren't even guaranteed to be together!

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 1:23 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 115

"Basically, it looks like if you're not a full season ticket holder, they just don't care."

Looks like they don't care? Looks like? What color is the water on your planet?

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 1:41 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 116

Hey Linc,

do you think it is the Twins, or just some scalper that has recognized that demand has dropped and it is time to move some tickets? Granted these are huge blocks of seats, but just about every game this week has blocks of 8 or more seats for sale. How many average fans purchase tickets in blocks of 6 or more?

JCTwins,
I have a feeling that these "season ticket holders" made enough money in June, July and August to insure that they will renew at least at there current level. I doubt they still have enough "at risk" during the remainder of the season to prevent them from turning a huge profit.

I too would like a chance to move up to a better location, just not sure how realistic that will be for 2011,

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 1:45 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 117

Yeah Ben, you got me. They don't care at all, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them phase out the 40 game plan altogether. That way they don't even need to give the slightly bigger "season ticket" discount. I wonder what they'd do if I held up a protest sign (ala the "circle me Bert" ones) at the remaining home games.....

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 1:48 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 118

I think this baby is going down to the last weekend of the year again this season. That Toronto series will be big (and I bet there is lots of ticket demand...).

JB: The easiest solution is to get all 81 games and split them with friends/family/co-workers. The Twins were clearly overwhelmed with the demand for tickets this year (no excuse, just reality). When they sold 24.5K FSEs this year there is no way they have the man power to effectively service all these people's individual needs.

I've said it before..."Be nice to the people on the way up because you'll be seeing the same people on the way down" This honeymoon won't last forever.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 1:52 PM by Max Highlight this comment 119

Max,
I would, but I don't have enough family/friends/coworkers who want to pay for Diamond Box seats, going up to the 40 game plan has been about as far as I can go. I hate to say it, but StubHub has helped. I only charge 15% over my cost, so I've have pretty good luck selling some there; But I never wanted to get into the "scalping" business, legal or not, but the Twins, unlike other clubs which let people partner up "legally" to split full season tickets, won't, they can only be in one person's name. I don't want to be hustling tickets down at Target Field or running around doing Craigslist. If I were "wealthy" and retired, maybe, but I don't want to be trying to unload 60 games a year, it's just a pain.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 2:01 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 120

The Twins obviously have been selling tickets on Stubhub. Section 103, rows 20-23 are always available on Stubhub. Don't tell me they sold those 60 seats altogether to a season ticket holder who is reselling them. Same goes for section 309 and 322. The higher rows are always up there in huge blocks.

Also the Twins don't have to pay the 15% commission I'm sure because of their partnership with Stubhub. It's amazing more people don't see this.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM by tom (aka tcmark) Highlight this comment 121

more Max:
The Twins knew exactly what they had before the season started, don't be fooled. There's no reason the post-season tickets can't be sold the same way they sold the regular season tickets. Full strips, full season ticket holders get their seats if they want, followed by the 40 game plan holders in order of their longevity with the club, followed by the 20 game plans by longevity with the club, then the public if any remain. The fact is, the Twins didn't promise the 20 or 40 game plan people the right to post season tickets when they needed to be bought and paid for, so if there aren't any for the 20 game plan people, so be it; they can upgrade to a 40 next year or build their longevity and eventually get there. And again, when they started the seat relocation plan to Target Field they stressed over and over again how longevity with the club was one of their main factors in getting seats. I've probably spent over $25K in season tickets over the years and I'm getting the same treatment as someone who hasn't spent a thousand bucks.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 2:10 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 122

Yep I saw the bullsh!t from a mile away when the Twins had Target Field signed, sealed, and delivered in '06. They began in earnest the marketing campaign led by "Buy your tickets now to get priority for the new ballpark". I jumped to the front of the line with Legends Club tickets, joined a group where we split tickets, draft to get our specific games, and know exactly what we're getting. See the Twins are in the driver's seat here. They set the 20 game and 40 game packs that you get. Only way to combat that is 81 games. There won't be any sympathy until they begin to not have regular consistent sellouts.

I'm not saying what the Twins are doing is good or bad business, but it is what it is. Your only power as a consumer is to speak with your wallet. The reality is that there is somebody right behind you who will be glad to pay and get your seats if you drop out (for whatever reason).

BTW, you don't have enough family/friends/co-workers who want tickets? That seems strange. People are pounding on my door wanting tickets and it is amazing how many new "friends" you have when people find out you've got Twins tickets. The demand is probably the highest it will ever be.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM by Max Highlight this comment 123

All that without ever having bought a single season ticket for the Twins at the Dome. Think of all the money I saved over the years just buying tickets for the specific games I wanted on the street or online instead of having to worry about getting rid of 81 games at the Dome when clearly only about 10-15 would have legitmate demand.

That was a conscious decision I made. It simply wasn't worth "getting in line" at the Dome in 06, 07, 08, 09 if you wanted really great seats at Target Field. You had to be in line and have toughed it out through the brutal stretch of the 90s...

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 2:44 PM by Max Highlight this comment 124

Linc you're right it's just a Minnesota thing. And like I said, I think it has to do with the sports climate here. Until this is like a St. Louis, Philadelphia, or even Cleveland for that matter (where people really love or hate their team), I think we see a seasonal cycle on tickets. I don't think it's the weather, as those other cities I mentioned (St. Louis, Cleveland) have the same weather.

Not sure if you'd include NY, Chi, LA in that group or not, as their fan base is large enough that those teams will always have plenty of demand.

As far as post-season priority goes, I think the Twins were pretty clear that buying 81 games was the best way to get to the front of the buffet line.

If they gave every STH a seat for playoff games, there'd be none for sale to the public. Maybe that's the right thing, but it creates the opposite image problem of being elitist and not allowing "the regular joe" to go to post-season games.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:08 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 125

Also for re-sale, I think a higher premium was made on lower priced seats than higher priced seats. I'm guessing there may be more tickets released in Home Plate Box than in the upper levels. I had trouble getting much of any premium over face on mine all year. There were lots of high prices on Stubhub, but I'm not sure people were really paying them. And that was much tougher earlier, and I suspect will be later in the year.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 126

Well --- I can tell you (as I've done here many times) that being a hard core fan since DAY ONE gets you nowhere. Now, if you know where the Old Met flagpole is and how to get it they will be your pal until the pole is installed - then back to biz as usual. It's the next buck that counts, not the last one.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:18 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 127

Max,
yeah, it is kind of hard to believe, but really, everyone I know knows I have them and will sell them at cost. I guess a lot of people don't want to pay, or they only want the Yankee tickets. Maybe after this year that might change, but again, I don't want to be on the hook for the $6400 bucks if I upgrade and the team tanks. Like I said, I've done OK moving 20 or so games this year to a few people I know, but I've had promises of long term buys after I went to 40 games that disappeared after one year due to one reason or another, and I just don't want to deal with it (or hear about it from the boss if you know what I mean).

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:18 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 128

I'd like to know who the jerk is charging $7.46 for SRO tickets on StubHub when you can get actual seats for $6. As if that's not bad enough, some sellers are holding out for even more for their SRO tickets. Good luck with that.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:21 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 129

I need some cheese with the comments around here today.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:25 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 130

As far as post-season priority goes, I think the Twins were pretty clear that buying 81 games was the best way to get to the front of the buffet line.

Not really. As a STH I knew that the FSTH's would get to keep their seats, BUT, I made several specific phonecalls and e-mails to my ticket rep, and the twinsbaseball email address asking as to how they were going to be handling the seating, the home opener, and post-season tickets going forward, before I committed to the Target Field seats---and they would bother to reply, or not give me an answer, or their answer was that "they were still working on it". Even after the fact, you could not get an answer out of them. Had they said up front what they were doing, I would have been p*ssed that they'd wasted my time and money and gone in on someone else's full plan, or gone back to a 20 game plan, but instead they just stonewalled or pleaded ignorance.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:30 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 131

Even now, I still haven't gotten a reply from my ticket rep, nor can I get anything but a "leave a message" on their phone.....
They know people are p*ssed and just don't care.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:33 PM by JB (the original) Highlight this comment 132

It's the next buck that counts, not the last one.

That's a pretty profound statement, Ben. Well said!

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:44 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 133

I am a STH and a group leader, it looks like group leaders who took a group this year to a Twins game are going to be entered into a drawing to have a chance for postseason tickets.

Just to add fuel to the fire I guess...

Maybe this will work out as well as the Opening Series drawing did for the Twins fan-base hopefuls...

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:44 PM by tk Highlight this comment 134

JB,
I think you just need a new STH rep. I still remember when I put my deposit down, that he was very clear. "The only way to insure opening day and playoff tickets is to go with a full plan". I was on the fence going in, but as it turned out it was the best decision I have every made.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 3:55 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 135

I'm with the original JB on this one. 40 gamers should get priority over 20 gamers, and longevity should count. This is from a 20 game holder only since 2008, so I would probably get shut out. I do think the Twins were legitimately surprised at selling 24000 full season equivalents. If they had the 17,000 or so they estimated, there would be a lot more flexibility in the post-season distribution.

Max -- you are fortunate enough to be able to afford Legend Club tickets. Congrats, but we aren't all in that position to "jump to the front of the line" as you did. I would also say that those in a group situation are only marginally better off than us schelps. You know your (good) seats, but there are a maximum of 11 post-season games. Someone in a group of four only gets 2 games, and maybe only 1 game depending on series length.

Oh well, there will be plenty of tickets available through the secondary channels, for a price.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 5:17 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 136

A new piece of art to include in your Twins shrine done by Terrance Fogarty entitled "Twins Territory".

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 6:04 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 137

Yep, I'm in a group and I have no complaints but it's going to be tough to get us all tickets, now that we can't buy bonus strips. And actually the maximum is 10 this year, not 11, since NL finally won the All-Star game. But it's nice to know we get the same seats we paid for all year and it's a nice problem to have. Hopefully there will be more than one or two home games. (I should say hopefully we will hold on to this lead. Base running is killing us.)
Max had the right idea during the Dome years. More cost effective to pay market (often cheap) and get the games you want. But I wanted the season tickets anyway and didn't realize there would be the Club route to get near the top of the line.
ps I might put something on tc traders. still deciding which games to go to this week. The reason I'm saying it here is if I put it on and don't answer for a while it's because I can't access it always during the work day. Also, I'm afraid to "accept" an offer when I need more information, and if I don't "accept" I can't contact the offeror, and it looks like I unconditionally declined.

Posted on August 31, 2010 at 10:15 PM by robin Highlight this comment 138

robin,

If the person making the offer is a TC Traders member, you now receive their contact information with the offer. That allows you to communicate with them before making your decision.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:21 AM by Rick 139

I went to the Majestic Pro Shop today to look at there game used items today. I was surprised to find a Danny Valencia game used bat that was broken on August 15 for only $100. It even had the MLB Authentication.

It's all relative, but not a bad price to pay for a person that collects Twins memorabilia. I mean, when you compare the price to a Matt Tolbert bat @ $75 Authenticated and a Jim Thome at $700 unauthenticated.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 01:53 AM by tk Highlight this comment 140

Thanks, Rick. I haven't used it for awhile, largely for that reason. I will edit my posting to accept offers. I think I listed them as firm, but considering trades. The game is Thursday so I don't have much time anyway. I may put them on stubhub later today for that reason. If they sell I don't have to make payment/contact arrangements.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 05:49 AM by robin Highlight this comment 141

Another runner thrown out at home plate by 25 feet last night.

Kubel must have been trying to run on his injured hand or something. Sheesh.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 09:00 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 142

Huge win last night. I thought we were cooked down 3-0! Francisssssco needs a good one tonight. Can we be 6 up by monday morning? Be at the game tonight. Lets hope I go to 11-7 @ TF! Did Kubel run through the stop sign on that one? LOL! I think Thome might have beat him to the plate!

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 09:11 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 143

We need to see them hitting on all eight more often - just barely squeaking past the Tigers won't get it - the AL East team will squish them like a bug if they play like that.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 10:02 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 144

Complaining from 20-40 gamers needs to stop. Dont blame the Twins for having to make decisions about who gets playoff tickets. This is not the Dome that seats over 50,000 anymore.

If it is anything like Opening Day, every person who put a little effort into getting tickets went for face value. I ended up getting 20 tickets to OD. Let the process happen before you start complaining.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:27 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 145

Joe117,

I am not too sure how you came across 20 OD tickets at face, unless you got them from the Twins after they released more on April 9/10.

If you got them on the secondary market, you were dealing with a fool...

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:36 AM by tk Highlight this comment 146

tk,

I got all 20 from the Twins. 4 from my season tickets, 4 from putting my name in the hat and 16 from calling the Twins a week before the game. You just need to put a little effort into knowing when the Twins are releasing tickets. I'm sure it will be the same for the playoffs.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:52 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 147

Sorry I guess I had 24.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 148

There is a certain amount of research involved, a certain amount of persistence, and a certain amount of luck, but I have heard plenty of stories just like Joel17's with regards to opening day.

Apparently, some people even bought tickets by just walking up to the window at the right time.

So, keep the faith! (And save your pennies. If you're like me, this has this already been a much more expensive baseball year than the past few...)

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:12 PM by Rick 149

I really think people who want to get out there to game should go... i have been to about 11 game this year and have sold about 10 games also and yes i have made my Season tix cost back about 2 times now... but like someone else sd there are cheap tickets out there if you look .. i sell most of my seats to out of town people, if you can get in the gates for 14 bucks you would be a fool not to go to the game no matter who they play... people always have to complain about somthing..

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:26 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 150

It's a matter of being in the right place at the right time as tickets are always being released. Whether you are on the phone with the Twins ticket office, on the web, or simply stop by the ticket office. You gotta be in the right place at the right time.

I remember when the exhibition game tickets first went on sale, a person could not even get on to the ticketing system it was so backlogged. A week before the games, there were plenty of seats available on the Twins website.

Same with Opening Day, I was able to get section 115, row 16 seats just a few days before the game...Much better than my seats in section 101 that I had originally bought from the Twins through my STH online password.

The reality is, not everyone is able to consistently call the Twins or check the website for tickets available throughout the day. But if you are persistent and in the right place at the right time, tickets will be available at face value directly from the Twins.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:36 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 151

Joe,

I too got lucky many games this year and have found additional tickets, including OD. So I am not complaining, and I have found out a system of getting great tickets (Dug Out Box, Row 2) on the day of game. However, I hope as a STH half-season, I get comparable seats to what I have of Diamond Box and not on the 2nd/3rd deck. I guess I will cross that bridge at that time.

I understand the Twins have to do what they have to do, and hindsight of knowing that there are better seats that get released right before game time, for various reasons, just gets my gut. I know there really isn't anything that can be done, but just hope to get lucky with my searches.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM by TK Highlight this comment 152

TK I would hope they fix some of these issues through seat improvement, but maybe that's being optimistic.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 1:57 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 153

Rick, one quick correction to your post. The buffet line on the Puckett side is a Kazmaurchek (I know I completely butchered the spelling of that) Sausage/Bratwurst stand. Real tasty! Experienced my first club level game last night. Cool experience for the occasional splurge.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:29 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 154

MattW,

I was also there last night and realized my own mistake. In fact, I got pictures of the actual menus and hope to have time to post them tonight.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 2:42 PM by Rick 155

Need another win tonight! Tribe blows a 4-1 lead late and Sox beat em 6-4. Cmon Cisssssssssco! Verlander tommorow! Predictions on how many games it will take to win the central anyone? I'm thinking 94!

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 3:47 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 156

If the Sox play .700 baseball the rest of the way, they end up with 94 wins. Given how they have played at home this year and that they have 16 of their last 22 at the Cell, I think TwinkFan has it right on the money. 94 wins gets you a nice game on Tuesday, October 5, 4:00PM, at Target Field against the Sox (game 163)! Best division contest since 2006, when MN, Detroit, and Chicago all had over 90 wins.

It also tells you how amazing the 2006 and 2009 Twins runs were. Playing .700 ball is tough, but I'm going to guess the Sox will be near that, and I also think our newly stocked bullpen will prevail. However, I think we may have to go 19-11 down the stretch to do it, and that will mean sweeping KC twice and Cleveland at least once.

I hate that we play Toronto for 4 games at the end....they eat our lunch usually.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 157

I am thinking 92 wins. I think the Chi. Sox are going to hit a tough stretch, and they have the tougher perceived schedule, or at least in my mind.

Twins have 18 home games remaining and 12 on road against:
Cle 3
Chi 3
Det 3
KC 3

Home Against:
Det 2
Tex 3
KC 3
Oak 3
Cle 3
Tor 4

Sox have 16 home games remaining and 13 games are on the road:

Road:

Boston 3
Detroit 4
Oak 3
LAA 3

Home:

KC 3
Min 3
Det 3
Bos 4
Cle 3

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 5:23 PM by TK Highlight this comment 158

This made the facebook feed, but is important for Twins ticket holders in general. I haven't yet researched what this company actually does, but it is relevant to the current conversation.

http://www.ticketnews.com/features/Digonex-signs-dynamic-ticket-pricing-deal-with-the-Minnesota-Twins081026484

The best quote is: “Sports franchises are facing many challenges including a tough economy, a very accessible secondary market, and competing forces for the entertainment dollar,” said Jan Eglen, Ph.D, CEO for Digonex. “The main goal of our services is to provide our clients with greater information on the value of their fans, their tickets, and the opportunities for sustainable growth.”

I love the Twins, and I am so happy they are doing well given we are only 8 years removed from contraction, but putting this in a press release for this team right now is ridiculous.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 5:23 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 159

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I want to thank Rick for putting up his bibliography. What a great resource! A good updated bibliography is worth its weight in gold, and something search engines still really can't deliver.

Thanks Rick!

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 5:34 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 160

The second box of the pre-ordered giveaway arrived for me today.

It included a Minnie and Paul BH; Mini TF; and DQ Cap

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 5:37 PM by tk Highlight this comment 161

I got my season ticket holder bobbles at the game last night... Kirby and Hrbek "legends of the dome" ones.. i got these last year, so if anyone wants to buy them off me email me...click

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 7:42 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 162

I'm considering unloading Legends Club seats next season, and wanted to offer them up here. It's a good chunk of change, but would be ideal for somebody just wanting any tickets, or wanting to upgrade, or a group. Section R, Row 10. The specifics:

-I would charge my cost on the PSL, or $2000 for 2 seats. Section R is one of only 4 sections, 2 on each end that charge $2000 for 2 seats. All other sections charge $4000 for 2 seats.
-I would make the buyer pay the $100 transfer fee
-The 2011 cost is $50/game

Send me an email if interested. Again, this is my cost, plus the transfer fee. There is apparently a deposit list for these, but it won't happen until renewal next month. So, let me know ASAP if you want them. I will have all paperwork and payments done through the Twins ticket office.

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 8:00 PM by mhalv68@gmail.com (aka Twins2010WSChamps) Highlight this comment 163

"I have found out a system of getting great tickets (Dug Out Box, Row 2) on the day of game" Really, Dug Out Box, Row 2? What section? How?

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 08:59 AM by matt (aka msp) Highlight this comment 164

94 wins will do it and the twins will clinch at home on saturday, october 2nd against toronto.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 165

tk, was your Minnie/Paul bobblehead intact? I got my box in the mail and the bobblehead was completely shattered. The poor guys weren't even connected to the base anymore. I've heard they had a lot of problems with this promotion in general...

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 10:48 AM by Syzygy Highlight this comment 166

I'm hoping the Twins clinch on October 1st, since I'll be at that game!

:-)

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 11:10 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 167

Syzygy-
Nice to know they are still sending out the broken ones. Half of them were broken a week before that game's giveaway day and they knew.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 11:43 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 168

Since we're talking about clinching, I would really like to see this team clinch on the road and do it like they have been there before. It's time to not celebrate until we advance in the playoffs. Let's be professionals.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 169

Well that idiot Rausch had to do the stupid shaving cream pie to Danny Placenta last night. He looked like a complete idiot. Cuddy was pissed the last time he did it to Thome.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 12:28 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 170

No line behind the home plate circle last night, and lots of patches to the grass. I noticed they repaired the corners of the infield right in front of home plate, too. The spare grass is almost gone. They really shredded it when they took out these last repair strips.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 12:29 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 171

Here are a couple tidbits from the August Ballpark Authority meeting...

The sand under the statue bases and the Gold Glove has been replaced with concrete that resembles sand. Target Field has been nominated to receive a national award for accessibility as we have now been named the most accessible ballpark in the United States. Over 188 non-baseball events have been held at Target Field with over 50 thousand people attending these events. Public tours of the ballpark continue to do very well.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 172

"Well that idiot Rausch had to do the stupid shaving cream pie to Danny Placenta last night. He looked like a complete idiot. Cuddy was pissed the last time he did it to Thome."

I'd rather have someone be an idiot by doing the shaving cream pie in lieu of not knowing how to spell the local nine's names.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM by A Former Poster Highlight this comment 173

Danny Placenta? So is his new nickname "The Afterbirth?"

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 174

Yeah you got me...Rauch. AKA Herman Munster.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 2:52 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 175

I never did understand the "let's celebrate a win by rubbing something irritating into one of our guy's eyes" thing...

Walk-off wins sure are fun, though. :-)

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 176

Last nights attendance 39,438. Must have been alot of no shows!

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 3:11 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 177

They're fun, but when grown men jump up and down on home plate it makes it look like they've never won anything before. The World Series is one thing, but they've started celebrating every walk off win like they just won the pennant or something.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 3:16 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 178

Maybe you should pull the stick out of your butt and have a little fun every now and then.

Posted on September 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 179

JCTwins-
It's not like every other team in the league doesn't celebrate a walk-off win like that. It's been in baseball for years, unless you're new to it.

Posted on September 3, 2010 at 06:39 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 180

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It's pretty easy to see right into the Twins dugout!



B ramp glimpse















This is the LRT bridge under construction as viewed from the east looking west. The ballpark facade would be at the left in this photo.



Cleveland



A whole bunch of guys working on something.



This is a good overview of the spot where the Northstar (bottom) and LRT (top) will intersect.












Note the speakers hanging beneath that deck



The connection from the corner of Seventh Street and Second Avenue. You can now see where the little grassy area and franchise history board will be (the triangular area in the foreground).



Hubert's remains the only sports bar within site of the Dome after 28 years of its existence. It's a cautionary tale.



Click to see the whole page from this 1971 program.



Hardware in the window! (But why are there three trophies? 1924?)









This would be easy to miss, but I found it on a cart located directly behind the Batter's Eye seating on the upper concourse in center field.



Two signs visible from beyond the confines of the ballpark.






Seventh Street windows









This is the view from where the plaza will connect to the walkway on the west side of Target Center. This presumably aids traffic flow back to the A ramp, and perhaps to the skyway connection (though the doors to the skyway right there are typically exit only).



One more exterior view shows that, while the original look was attractive in a way, it seems to be a variation on the look of the Washington ballpark (albeit with a much more coherent collection of elements). What's remarkable is that the design team has refined the concept amazingly well, improving it immeasurably. What we're actually getting is clearly descended from this, but it's in a whole different league:






The glove



Break time






After the rain. (We were in the wrong spot to see the rainbow...)



Ballpark magic: Infield materializes (click to enlarge)



Home Plate Terrace -- really great seats; maybe my personal, budget-based favorite



You write the caption...



Here's a detail from the above image, showing the LED strips up close.



Looking down Sixth Avenue toward the plaza






Checking out the bike racks on the promenade.



Lots of pix waiting to be seen from Bert's memorable night.









Click to see the whole, beautiful image. (Photo by Tyler Wycoff)



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Since pictures of the ballpark are forbidden, perhaps you'll enjoy this shot of the lovely apple tree in my front yard.



Staging for the next section (Home Plate Box)






This is the left field pavilion in the original concept model. The restaurant pictured to its right has been moved, and the seating area has been extended at least one full section toward center.





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HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

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STH - Season Ticket Holder

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Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
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Revised edition (2006, round)
 


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