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Play Ball! Tour - Part 2

April 25, 2009 2:21 AM


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Nice Pictures! Ii is nice to see some areas of the ballpark that have not been seen before. I really like the portrait of Kirby it gives a nice touch to the Legends Club.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 08:37 AM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 1

Thanks for the Pics! I really think that the portraits will be spectacular once finished! What a great look for the new ballpark!

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 2

Love the shot of the limestone from inside.

Thanks for the update.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 3

man is this turning into a real ballpark or what? We have been so lacking in the stadium department compared to the rest of the nation, but now we have 3 great ones. Xcel Energy Center is an arena, but often considered one of the best, if not the best in hockey.

We will have TCF Bank Stadium opening this fall, and then last ubt not least, Target Field next year.

We just might go from one of the worst stadium situations to one of the best, and probably "The Best" if the Vikings ever get their stadium, which they richly deserve!

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 4

Amen Vikeologist! Hopefully after the Twins move out (In November would be great if you know what I mean), a common ground can be found between pro and anti-staduim supporters. That might just mean a complete renovation of the Metrodome, but as long as it keeps the Vikes in Minnesota, I don't care. The Vikings truely deserve a better stadium (new or refurbished), and Minnesotans like myself deserve the Vikings.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 12:19 PM by Brad Highlight this comment 5

great pics there, i noticed driving by the park last night that the "welcome to target field" signage is up in the vertical circulation building. i go out of my way to drive, walk or bike by this beautiful new stadium any chance i get. what's striking is how it fits into the cityscape already. it's this baseball stadium smack in the center of a downtown.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 12:20 PM by tim Highlight this comment 6

Brad...I hear what you're saying, but Minnesotans truly deserve much better than the Vikings. And I say that as a life-long fan/sufferer.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 12:25 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 7

Kev, I didn't necessarily mean the Vikes of recent memory, but more of the rich tradition of the Viking's history that fans and the State of Minnesota would surely relinquish if they move. Having said that this is a Twins and Target Field website so I will take my Vikings rants elsewhere and continue to read all the info and take in all the pics that people like Rick, yourself, and others post. Man I love this site and can't wait until 2010!

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 1:09 PM by Brad Highlight this comment 8

tim, i have also loved how the stadium draws you to it when you're looking at it from downtown, and then how it compliments the city when you're looking at it from the west. this thing is a gem.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 9

Minnesotans deserve better than the Vikings? This team is rich in history, and we deserve to have them here, and they deserve to be here. The Vikings are meant to be here now, and are meant to stay here in the future.

Imagine Minneapolis and Minnesota without a pro football team? man that would be a sad day for this entire area!

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 10

rick - as always THANK YOU. you should get your own spot in the twins hall of fame at target field for all you do!

vikeologist - i couldn't agree with you more regarding the vikings and minnesota. i fully admit that i am a homer through and through. love the vikings, twins, gophers, t-wolves & wild and pull for all of them to do well each and every year.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 2:44 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 11

Sorry to continue a previous thread, but moose, I owe you an apology. I wrote my comment in a hurry and got the wrong name. Beta, I understand where you are coming from. What's to be gained by riding around like a jerk and intentionally picking fights on a bicycle? I think a lot of these guys just feel disenfranchised by the fact that most people choose to drive. which is just fine. Now lets all hold hands and sing the coca-cola song together.

Oh, and I just moved to Duluth. I grew up in the cities, where I enjoyed riding on the path!
And Rick, you are absolutely right. Advocacy groups have been trying for years to get that trail extended to the river. The Twins are doing that for them. And I for one am thankful!

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 4:43 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 12

Minnesota without a football team wouldnt necessarily be a tragedy.
If the Vikings left, that means that Goodell has to award us an expansion franchise, which means that the Metrodome would have to be torn down, which means that the Legislature would have to approve money for a new stadium, which means that we will get a new football stadium, which is what we're looking for.
As long as the Vikings are in town, no new stadium.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 13

luke, where do you get the notion that Goodell has to award MN an expansion franchise? The Metrodome lease runs out after the 2011 season and the Vikings are free to go - no strings.

Vikeologist, yes MN football fans deserve better than the Vikings franchise. The franchise used to be the class of the NFL but that died when Mike Lynn came to town in 1976. Since then, they've been a horrible organization, treated their fans like crap (including this 38 year season ticket holder). I love the team because I was blessed with the curse of being born in MN and will always follow the Vikings. But for those of us who have known this franchise since day one, it's been mostly heartache - perhaps you're too young to remember 4 superbowl chokes, I wish I could forget them. The fanbase is so loyal to that team and the organization does virtually nothing for the fans compared to other pro sports teams in town.

I'm just very sour on this team right now. It could be my old age, it could be the fact that Zygi is somehow joined at the hip with Brad Childress who should have been fired 2 years ago. It could be because they need a QB and T-Jack and Rosenfels are NOT the answer. It could be because they created this whole stadia mess with Mike Lynn's brainchild - the precious Metrodome. I don't know. All I know is that I'm quickly becoming apathetic toward them.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 14

That was sarcasm Kev. If the Vikings leave, Goodell would have to be drunk as a skunk to award an expansion franchise here. But, I was saying that it wouldnt be a tragedy if the Vikings leave, because IF we get awarded a new franchise, the Dome would go away, and we'd get the new football stadium we all want.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM by Sarcasm Highlight this comment 15

I just looked at webcam 2, and I'm confused, and a little disappointed about something.
What are the posts atop the Admin Building for? I think there's like four or five of them up there.
It seems to me, as though they are now beginning to install the ribbon boards on the lower-level fascia on the first base side. However, upon closer perusal, it seems to me, that there are also three spots...for...God help me...STATIC ADVERTISING? Please, God, tell me there aren't putting static advertising in TF. This is the 2000s, not the 1970s...advertisments are on electronic boards supplied by Daktronics. Please God, tell me they are for something else.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 8:17 PM by luke Highlight this comment 16


I think that may be a huge lit up Budweiser sign like they have in Boston.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 8:22 PM by Chris Highlight this comment 17

I am a Vikings season ticket holder as exactly have the Vikings treated their fans like crap?

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 8:26 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 18

According to Sid, Opening Day at Target Field is set for April 12, 2010.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 8:36 PM by downfall Highlight this comment 19


Where are you thinking you are seeing the LCD Ribbon? I am having a hard time seeign what you are talking about.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 8:42 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 20

Luke, there are six posts and they will hold a roof that will partially cover the Budweiser patio that will be on top of the building. The big Budweiser sign will be on top of that roof.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM by Play Ball! Highlight this comment 21

Vikeologist...For starters I don't want this to turn into a Kevin piss and moan about the Vikings but I'll name my top 2 peeves about the Vikings. In 1988 when it came time for me to move my 40 yard line seats from the Met into the dome, my 14 years longevity did me no good. The morons did a lottery of season ticket holder accounts and seniority meant NOTHING! I went from having 40 yard line seats to sitting in the endzone at the dome. It then took me 10 years to get moved to near the 40 again.

Second, Mankato has turned into an absolute joke. Training camp used to be awesome for fans to get up close and personal with players and coaches FOR FREE!! The nickel and diming that Red McCombs did with traning camp has completely ruined it and Zygi has only increased the cost. I used to drive down on hookey days and watch the team practice, chat with Joey Browner and Floyd Peters and the only thing I paid for was gas for the car and lunch at Arbys. The scrimmages used to be free as well. Even when they started charging $10 a pop for the scrimmage, I didn't mind too much and continued going. The last straw for me was a couple years ago when I reluctantly PAID to watch a team practice it was called FAN APPRECIATION DAY. The giveaway was a goddam coupon book which resembled the weekly pennysaver you get in the mail. Needless to say, I haven't been back to Mankato since. This is one thing that baseball has over the NFL. Spring Training is still an amazing experience and you can watch practice FOR FREE and get autographs FOR FREE.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 22

the above should read 1982, not 1988.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 23

Thanks Play Ball...i did not know they were doing such a thing. That would be really cool. So it'll be akin to the big Pepsi-Cola sign at CitiField (which I think is the coolest thing in the world)?
Josh, I mentioned the LED Ribbon, I am detecting the start of it on the facing of the club level, just above the lower level on the first base side.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 24

Yeah I love how this park compliments downtown, it looks fantastic!

Luke it actually would be a tragedy if the Vikes left, I don't want an expansion team with zero history, I want the Vikings regardless of our past history.

Solid draft today, hope Harvin becomes a stud, he and Loadholt should open up more running lanes for the Great One.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 10:44 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 25

Yes, if Harvin can keep his nose clean, we could have another Sammy White or do I even say it....Randy Moss.

Posted on April 25, 2009 at 10:49 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 26

kev in az - i would be just fine with another randy moss in the receiving corps. too bad he isn't still with the vikes. doesn't look right seeing him in radier or patriot gear. moss=purple.

shoot, i will be happy if percy harvin is even 80% of what moss was (YES randy moss was THAT GOOD) because he would still be a damn fine receiver.

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 12:04 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 27

Oh yes, Randy Moss no longer in Purple...Something else we can hate Red McCombs for...the creep!

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 12:53 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 28

YES Beta Randy is that good. Some people will be mad, but Randy Moss IS the most talented wide receiver to have ever played the game.

Percy will be used far differently, he's more versatile.

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM by MATT Highlight this comment 29

DuluthTim - Don't worry about it - honest mistake. Thanks everyone else for sticking up for me ;)

On th static vs. LED advertising debate - I'm on the side of LED. I'll go back to Wrigley Field, and the Cubs, who a few years ago installed LED boards on the ends of the upper deck. Then a couple years later, wanted to supplement advertising revenue, so they added static advertising next to the LED boards.

I understand that the LED doesn't keep the ads up all the time (like static does), but you can sell MORE ads (to more advertisers) with LED. Plus you're not locked in to a full year contract, and it opens up entertainment options as well. Plus, like luke said, it's 2010, not 1970...


Posted on April 26, 2009 at 07:38 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 30

The kid and I went down to TF yesterday and I snapped some pics along 5th. They are building a "tower" in what will be center field (click my name for pics). Anybody know what this will be? Apologies if this has been discussed before.

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM by Northfield Mike Highlight this comment 31

hey mike, your pics must be marked private, 'cause it says I don't have permission to view them

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 32

Sorry, now they are public.

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM by Northfield Mike Highlight this comment 33

Northfield - can't say for sure, but my hunch would be that is an elevator shaft for handicapped access to the CF gate.

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 34

I would have guessed the same thing as CJ in that it could be an elevator shaft.

downfall - I saw that same nugget in Sid's column today regarding the Monday April 12, 2010 as the opening game for Target Field. I do not know how official this is or if it's just pure speculation since we already know the Twins have requested to play the first 7-10 days on the road.

I did not think MLB released the schedule rough draft until June-July and than most teams release their official schedules in Sept-October after the schedule has been finalized.

Either way, its getting more and more exciting by the day as the 2010 season inches closer! After the amazing weather in Cleveland this weekend, you can't help but to look forward to Target Field next year sitting out in the sun and watching the Twins in their home whites playing on real grass.

Fireworks nights will also be fun to experience next year!

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 35

Mike - re: 2010 schedule; as someone who follows the schedule release quite closely (I take ballpark tours, and the MLB schedule release is like Christmas for me, for trip planning), I can tell you that what you say had been the case up 'til this last year.

On September 17, 2008 (click my name), for the first time in history, MLB released its complete 30-team tentative schedule.

While I still would take anything Sid prints with a grain of salt, it wouldn't surprise me if the Twins had been told at this point (of their request to be on the road early in 2010), that it had been approved, and that their first home date would be 4/12 for planning purposes for Target Field. Obviously, Mortenson needs a drop-dead date (even if it's still a year away) to be done with the ballpark...


Posted on April 26, 2009 at 3:04 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 36

I recently (OK, OK, I know the rest of you probably have too) picked up a copy of the April issue of Twins Magazine...and it was really neat, they had about an eight page section in there, complete with seating diagram, about Target Field. Almost as if the place was ready this year!

Posted on April 26, 2009 at 7:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 37

One reason those cyclists may be using the street instead of the bike path along Minnehaha Parkway may be the condition of said bike path. Several of the Minneapolis bike paths are in SERIOUS disrepair and literally unrideable. Specifically the ones on the west bank of the Mississippi near the U are absolutely horrible. In theory, the bike paths are awesome, but in practice the necessary upkeep and repaving has been sorely lacking. I am hoping our gas tax increase will help that problem in the long term. Trust me, when you have 120 lbs. of air pressure in your tires, you feel every little bump on the trail quite clearly.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 10:16 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 38

any guesses as to what that giant metal cylinder is that's currently sitting on the end of the first base line is?

is that the cistern for the water system?

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM by cam watcher Highlight this comment 39

Couple tidbits from last night's jog (my new camera is on back-order...i promise to start taking pics soon):

1. Inside the transit building on 5th street, the interior wall and ceiling are now fulling finished. There is a large TC logo with stainless steel lettering reading "Welcome to Target Field" on the wall.

2. Centerfield entrance is coming along quickly (stairs are being poured) - This is actually going to be a very cool looking entrance!

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 40

somebody help me out, is the 573 club the glass area behound home plate?

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 12:46 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 41

badjuggler - not to keep an old debate going much longer, but i personally think you are giving "those" cyclists way too much benefit of the doubt here. i bike a lot in minneapolis and st. paul proper as well and i would have to say the vast majority of designated bike paths and trails throughout both cities are in good order. i will give you that there are a select few areas which could use some repaving, but those SELECT few areas do not excuse the behavior we see from the "militant bicycling thug" sect.

i promise this is the last i will say on this subject. let's get back to something much cooler than bicycling - BASEBALL and BASEBALL STADIUMS!


Posted on April 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 42

I like the sound of that entrance, with the large TC logo.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 1:05 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 43

I predict that the Twins will request the first 7-10 games on the road EVERY year. I am looking forward to outdoor baseball, but not to night games during the first week of April.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM by Dave T Highlight this comment 44

Can anyone else view the TCF Bank Webcam? I haven't been able to for about a week now. Click

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 45

My my. It's been a while since I landed here to chat. Who likes the idea of keeping the TC, but adding a "vintage" outline to give it a retro look? I certainly do. Looks like the Twins do too. You don't like that icky "M"?? You might be happy with latest developments then... I'll fly by again when there's more to report.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 46

according to shooter...TCF Bank Stadium lights to be turned on for first time Tuesday night at 8:30

If only the webcam worked so that we can see it!

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 1:57 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 47

Dave T
The Twins may very well request the first 7-10 games on the road every year, but that doesn't mean they'll get it. If previous history is any indication, the scheduling gods don't seem to care about springtime in the northland. Tampa opened in Boston this year. My guess is this will be the only year (because of the new park) that the Twins will get special treatment. Bring warm cloths, because I'd bet there will be some cold opening days. I say bring it on!

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 48

Mazaratirick, yes the 573 Club is behind home plate, above Gate 6 (Oliva), and in case there is someone who did not catch the significance of the number 573 – it is Harmon Killebrew’s career home run record.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 2:25 PM by Play Ball! Highlight this comment 49


if you look at the photo (click link) of the model from an earlier post, you'll see that those are indeed static advertising boards over in right field. (in fact, they appear to be for fizz cola.)

Even if you could get more different ads on a LED board by changing them, I don't know that you could charge more for them, since an individual ad is up for a shorter time. A static ad is ALWAYS up. And I'd wager anything that a small static board costs less for the Twins to install than a whiz-bang new ribbon board. So the Cost Of Goods Sold is way higher with the LED board, but the income you generate would be probably around the same, give or take. While I haven't seen the numbers, I would bet it's an easy choice to put in some static ads.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 50

Thanks PB!

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:24 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 51

Yep, other guy, I stand corrected. that looks pretty clear.
I think I just scored myself two tickets, via Ebay for the last Dome closer. I'm pretty excited! I'll have to see what happens...

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 52

I love Fizz Cola, it's my favorite plus it beat Pepsi and Coke 2 to 1 in a double blind placebo controlled xtreme taste challenge.

I apologize if someone already posted this link, but downtown journal did a little comparison between the Dome and TF (click my name).

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 53

Yippee! Auction over! I won! Wooooohoooo

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 54

I think the main function of the static advertising in right (above the trapezoid) is to keep people from watching a free game from the parking ramp. Here's a radical solution. Instead of billboards blocking the park out, turn the top of the ramp into a park, maybe with an incline facing TF. Charge for admission. If you can grow a lawn on top of the Target Center, why not the ramp? It would be similar to outfield picnic areas at other ballparks. You could have vendors, batting cages, all sorts of cool stuff. Great for families. It would also be a way to increase capacity. I know it's out there--it's just a thought.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:38 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 55

either that, or to block homeruns from potentially breaking the windshield on your car, or denting the hood. better watch out on that plaza, lots of stray baseballs will be flying around up there...

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 56

Do you think they would get that high? I guess I forgot that the farthest seats in that trapezoid will be that close to the field. That's going to be awesome. Oh, and congrats on closing day tickets. We're gonna tear the place apart! (or not)

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 4:47 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 57

Excavation has started...

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 5:25 PM by Paul Highlight this comment 58

On Glenwood/2nd Ave N where there is a clearly marked bike lane along the left side of the road. I never see any bike riders actually in the bike lane, but always biking down the MIDDLE of the traffic lane. Highly annoying...

I think the billboard behind the Trapezoid is all about additional advertising. If that ramp wasn't there, they wouldn't have been allowed to erect such tall billboards. It's always about the money.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 59

Excavation has started on what?

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 8:26 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 60

Excavation has started on what?

I would say perhaps the playing field?

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 8:36 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 61

Yep, first base line is looking pretty clean.

Posted on April 27, 2009 at 9:30 PM by BB Highlight this comment 62

I am very concerned that they are puting too much "stuff" on the plaza. They have the hops bats, the canopies on both, is there going to even be a place to stand and hang out? Maybe it just looks that way from the webcam, but I was hoping for a wide open plaza where people could stand around and have fun before the games. I just feel like they are cluttering up the plaza with needless stuff. Can someone hopefully tell me im completely wrong about this, and that there is still going to be tons of room on the plaza?

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 06:46 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 63

Vikeologist - I'd say that the plaza is likely larger than you think. First off, the bats take up less space than you think, because what you see is actually the base, which will be benches.

Second, and more importaintly, the plaza will not be the same as the plaza at the 'Dome. The plaza now is a place people hang out so they can avoid actually going into the 'Dome. Target Plaza will be more of a gateway to going into a place you actualy want to go. It's not going to be as crouded as the curent plaza is, just for that reason.


Posted on April 28, 2009 at 07:36 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 64

Guys, im going to the STL/KC games in late june.. allthough i have done the kc thang and know my way around there I have never been to St Louis, you guys were so helpful with my Chicago trip (Lou Maz's was closed so I settled for Gino's east)I was hoping for some tips on that town now too.. We are staying @ the Melinnium like 2 blocks from Busch.. want to see the arch and the brewery...

Thanks everyone! outdoor ball does not ahve to wait!

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 09:03 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 65


Thank You! That is what i was hoping to hear, i look at the webcam daily as most of you probably do as well, and I just kept seeing that nice big wide open area, continue to get smaller and smaller as things get placed there.

Another question, is there going to be an area to just hang out before the game, during the game, etc. I know its going to be nicer to go to than the dome, so more people will go to their seats right away, but I still like to stand around, drink beer, eat, and then when i get to my seat, i like to stay there, except for the occasional bathroom break.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 09:10 AM by Vikeolost Highlight this comment 66

the concourses will be wide with open viewing to the field, so you'll never lose sight of what's going on at the game. there will be multiples places to hang out if you're not in your seats. bars, stores, someplace for the kids. i cannot wait for a real mlb baseball experience again. just to arrive though a concourse and see real green grass on a beautiful day. that's my fondest memory of the old met as a little kid.

i'm such a rube i'll probably swing by tcf bank tonight just to see the lights and scoreboard lit up.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 09:48 AM by tim Highlight this comment 67

I think there will be some room above the batters eye, now that the restaurant is gone.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 09:49 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 68


I think the place to hangout before and after the games is going to be First Avenue. This is the reason they are connecting the plaza to First. Personally, I think this is a great idea. We are just used to having "street vendors" and not actual bars. It's going to be great to sit at a bar and watch the pre-game show and then walk to my seat via the plaza!

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 10:12 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 69

looks like there are only two limestone sections left to be installed.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 10:23 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 70

We might deserve the Vikings but the Vikings don't deserve us.

The Vikings do NOT need a new stadium. They got all of the revenue from the Dome for nearly thirty years. If that's not enough, what is?

The Dome is a perfectly fine professional football venue. In my opinion, professional football is the least sport-focused league out there (the NBA is a very close runner-up). The NFL is very corporate.

We have the Dome paid for and I am NOT willing to put up a billion dollars for a facility that gets used for 8 football games a year. Yes, I know that other events get scheduled. And they still will in the Dome. And we have a convention center, Target Center and other large venues in the Twin Cities.

If the Vikings leave, I won't shed a tear. I'd rather spend a fine Saturday afternoon with the Gopher crowd and a great college atmosphere.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 10:44 AM by David Highlight this comment 71


I think they still have to put limestone around the stairwell immediately to the right of the section they are working on right now. That should go quickly though. I would bet that they will be finished hanging the large slabs of limestone sometime next week. They still have brick slabs to hang in the area above the 394 entrance ramp after that. I wonder if they'll do those from outside the stadium since they've started excavation in center field?

The big crane's days at Target Field are numbered. That's for sure.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 10:44 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 72

Agreed that the plaza looks smaller on the webcam than it will feel in practice. Also, a big ol' expanse of concrete is no fun - no landmarks to meet at, no where to sit and hang out, no shade, nothing to topple after a World Series, etc.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 10:53 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 73

David - I agree with your sentiments for the most part. I wouldn't mind seeing the dome get a nice facelift at 1/4 of the cost to make it a "Vikings only" venue. The fact of the matter is football stadiums are used very little compared to baseball, hockey and basketball facilities. Give the dome a remodeling and update it.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 74

Maz this ones for you, for Target Field tailgating ideas floated so far include the Lyndale Farmers’ Market site and area surface parking lots. The idea to have tailgating on top of the “B” parking ramp at 516 2nd Ave. N. was discarded. (Courtesy Downtown Journal, link provided by mlpsgreg)

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 75

Yea Jeff i saw that and was gonna post about it but i cool with a lil surface lot... will figure somthing out.. not that big of a deal...

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 76

I think the statistic in that comparison that is the hardest to wrap my mind around is that the TF scoreboard will be almost NINE TIMES the size of the video boards at Metrodome.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 12:02 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 77

I was just wondering if someone has pictures of the ballpark model after the plaza has been redone. I've seen them here before but I can't find it anymore. I really can't remember what it looks like.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM by Nikc Highlight this comment 78

I agree with Andrew on First Ave being the hang-out before/after the game. Not to compare too directly with Wrigley, but no one there is clamoring to just hang out "on the street" at that ballpark. Also, think about how over at the Xcel Center, the big hangouts are Cosettas and Tom Reid's...


Posted on April 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 79

Agreed with Moose. With the connection to First Ave. on the plaza or a short walk up 5th St., we will have a bar/restaurant infrastructure in place near the park that will be on pace with (or better) than Fenway or Wrigley.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 80

umm just got my seat selection username and password from the twins... thats a good thing right? lol

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 81

Here ya go Nick, click my name.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 82

Yeah, I better make sure they have my e-mail address now that I think about it. Do you know when yours is? I know I'm ahead of you.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 83

I agree David, I wont shed a tear either.
And I also agree about paying billions of dollars for a rarely used facility. I mean, without the Twins and Gophers, the Metrodome will attract three monster truck shows, the Garden show, the Golf show, and TwinsFest. and Vikings games.
It'll be very interesting to see how the Dome plays out next year, having two of its three tenants gone...

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 3:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 84

sorry if i'm rehashing old stuff, but it seems to me, just to the right of the Metropolitan Club, is a small this the "center field entrance" someone spoke of earlier??

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 4:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 85

well, i guess since david put the word "not" in all capital letters multiple times in his post that settles it regarding the vikings and the sincere need for a new multi-purpose football facility in downtown minneapolis.

thanks for putting the whole issue to rest david! ;-)

skol vikings!

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 4:50 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 86

Just because he doesn't follow message board protocol doesn't make him wrong. I think david is correct. The Vikes still make money in the dome, they just don't make enough - according to the corporate machine that is the NFL.

The plaza does seem small, but vendors and junk won't need to be out there. I'm more concerned about a bottle-neck situation. Didn't DSP say give a percentage of fans that will use the plaza as the entrance? Like 65%?

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 5:11 PM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 87

Interesting comment on the scoreboard.

Question: Is there such a thing as TOO big?

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 5:28 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 88

The Dome is not suitable for any sport, there's a reason why all Domes have been demolished.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 6:51 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 89

I should say inflatable roof domes are no more.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 6:58 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 90

What about monster truck ralleys?

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 91

New aerial can be found by clickin' the link.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 92

okay you junkies, i know you all need your fix so i snapped some photos on my walk this afternoon. the late afternoon lighting made it hard to shoot some details without shooting into the sun, so I apologize for the crappy ones.

things of note: soundsystem installation, ticket window progress, 1st chunk of scoreboard installed, northstar station progress, new restaurant construction nearby with large rooftop party deck, steel walkway to 1st ave


Posted on April 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 93

great shots greg!

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 8:42 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 94

Beautiful pics mplsgreg.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 95

Haha I group monster truck rallies in with nascar, both I do not consider a sport.

But true, the Dome is perfect for monster truck rallies, I had forgotten about them.

Thanks for the pics mplsgreg.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 96

Awesome pics mpls
I love #5770. That little bit of green vegetation with a completely finished section of TF...WOW! Anyone else agree with me on that one being the best?
I also loved the close-up shots of Maz's section.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 9:28 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 97

Just got back from the lighting of TCF Bank Stadium. What an amazing sight! I could hear the Rouser echoing off the walls already. Hopefully the Twins will announce when the same will happen at TF and we can all stand on top of B garage and watch.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 98

Thanks for the fix mplsgreg, great shots

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 9:33 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 99

luke, if that is the canopy alongside the 5th Street garage, that covers the stairs to the trapezoid.

Anyone have any ideas what they are going to use to cover the admin building elevator tower? I was hoping they would use limestone or brick.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 9:34 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 100

anyone else thinking like i am that there might be some strange moments in left field where the umpires are not sure if a ball was hit off the foul pole (and is therefore a home rum) or if it hit the small little corner part of the administration building that seems to "jutt out" just a tiny little bit further than the foul pole itself?

see mplsgreg's pics (about half way through for examples of what/where i am talking about.


Posted on April 28, 2009 at 11:26 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 101

Eric, did you happen to take any pictures of that event???

Does anyone have any pics of the TCF Bank Stadium lighting?

I can't imagine what it will be like when they illuminate Target Field for the first time this fall with those halo lights. It will definitely be a sight I won't want to miss.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 11:27 PM by Jason Highlight this comment 102

Sorry Jason, it was while driving home and I didn't have my camera on me.

Posted on April 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 103

Awesome pics mplsgreg. My personal fav is pic 5788, that glass looks amazing.

Posted on April 29, 2009 at 01:06 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 104

jason - i can help you out with pics from the first lighting of tcf bank stadium from last night. click on my name to someone who posted some them on then click on the link within that post for their pics out on photobucket.

tcf looks great and is really coming together!



Posted on April 29, 2009 at 01:36 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 105

Here's the link Beta referred to...

Posted on April 29, 2009 at 01:43 AM by Rick 106

thanks rick! also, here is a link to a video from a FOX 9 (KMSP) segment that aired on last night's newscast in regards to the scoreboards and lighting of tcf bank stadium.

Posted on April 29, 2009 at 01:51 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 107

It is sad when people are saying, "I won't shed a tear if the Vikings leave!" WOW! I'm in shock! I guess this is why we are the laughing stock on the nation when it comes to sports. Attitudes like that! I am a fan of all the new stadiums, I think they were all needed, but you think the new Vikings stadium will only get used for 10 games a year, including 2 pre-season?

It will be used way more than a "baseball only" stadium. It will hold Vikings games, probably a SUPER BOWL, which will generate hundreds of millions of dollars to the state economy, it will hold concerts, Final Fours, possibly the Olympics someday.

I think the Twins and Gophers needed stadiums before the Vikings did, but now that they are nearing completion its time to give the Vikings one as well. Yes the dome, is a football stadium, but it is a crappy one at best. It has a horrible roof, narrow concourses, retractable seats, horrible sound system, I can go on and on and on. A lot of the same problems with the dome for baseball, are also the same problems with football, minus the sight lines.

I just can't believe that anyone would say let the Vikings leave and I really wouldn't care. SHAME ON YOU!

Posted on April 29, 2009 at 07:36 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 108

I'm pretty sure those glass sections are the party suite areas..I read about them in an article, if you guys are talking about the glass next to the metropolitan club.

Posted on April 30, 2009 at 11:48 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 109


A Super Bowl will not generate hundreds of millions of dollars for the state. I'm not sure you realize how much "hundreds of millions" is.

I don't buy the argument that building a stadium for special event revenue makes it worthwhile. I sort of buy the argument that revenue from sustained stadium operations over a period of time can contribute to the economy. The Twins ballpark has a better chance of doing that because there are many more events over the year. But I don't even think that's the primary reason to do it.

The primary reason to do a professional ballpark/stadium is to make a statement about your city. Now, a Vikings stadium would certainly make a statement, but the monstrosity put forward by Wilf is not the kind of statement I want to make about Minneapolis. The ballpark works because it fits into its surroundings. It shares the unique architecture of the city and enhances it, making it more recognizable across the country.

Wilf's proposal goes against the grain. It's built as a attention-getter that draws people away from the city. The Dome does the same thing but I'd rather not spend another billion dollars to further deteriorate my city.

TCF Bank Stadium fits into the campus but not quite as effectively as Target Field. However, moving the Gophers off-campus was just wrong in and of itself. Anyone who's been to any halfway-decent Division I-A (sorry, FBS) school on a football Saturday knows what I'm talking about. You do TCF Bank Stadium because Memorial Stadium should never have been torn down in the first place.

There's absolutely nothing about the current Vikings stadium proposal that catches my imagination. What it does is actually assault my imagination and attempt to tear it down and build it into something I don't want.

If the Vikings had a great vision for a stadium, maybe I'd change my mind. But for eight games a year it'd have to be a lot cheaper and a lot more elegant.

Posted on April 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM by David Highlight this comment 110

In the new stadium I hope the Twins do a few more replays on the video board.
Good, bad or ugly and why should it matter if it was a close play? I want to see them! (No I don't plan on setting up slingbox & bringing my laptop to the game..... yet.)

Posted on May 1, 2009 at 2:16 PM by Marty Highlight this comment 111

three or four rows back in the trapezoid.

Posted on May 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 112

man i cant wait to go watch twins games this summer!

Posted on May 3, 2009 at 7:20 PM by bobby Highlight this comment 113

Locker's link didn't work so I'll see if mine does.

Garza comes off as a big prick in that little blurb. Worse than the metrodome? Is he nuts? Coming to this sight the whole "its gonna be cold early and late in the season" argument is getting really old, and combating that argument with "look at all the other teams with similar climates that don't have roofs" is getting pretty old too. I wonder how many years it will actually take for people to stop complaining about the weather and actually man up and deal with the weather. I personally am looking forward to going to a game that has a bit of rain during it. How awesome will that be? Watching a Twins game, outside, and its raining! (maybe not as good as outside and sun shining but still its going to be fun)

Posted on May 4, 2009 at 11:32 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 114

wow, meant to put that up top.

Posted on May 4, 2009 at 11:32 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 115

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This design has a rather generic quality to it, but they appear to have considered the B garage. Though it isn't part of the model, they've clearly left room for it.

Indications that club seating (the wider spaced areas above each dugout) will be a major presence in the lower deck

There's a great, big, beautiful tomorrow! (I loved this place as a kid.)

The dish!

Did you notice the flowers?


Look beyond the gigantic hand (a hounds tooth jacket? really?) and you'll get a glimpse of the main grandstand configuration. The two (or is it three?) levels of suites are visible, as is the design of the so-called "split upper deck," and the extensive use of limestone for decorative accents. Let's hope these little touches don't get cut as costs increase, because they make a nice tie-in from the outside of the park to the inside. Of most interest to me is the way that the very best seats are physically separated from all the rest of the seats by that limestone. There will be virtually no way to sneak into these seats. On one level, that's a somewhat sad design feature...

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Larry DiVito takes a last check of everything before the game starts

The green in question (click for very large version)

Checking out the bike racks on the promenade.

Just lighted panels... *sigh*

Larry DiVito, mowing

That's Bert back at the Met on Photo Day, September 15, 1974.

Wind veil install from across Seventh

Dugout Dog

Today's late-inning office.

Close-up on the diagram of the Club Level with finishing materials (click to enlarge)

At the corner of the Pro Shop.

Dancing for the cameras

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Fissure dude

Jose Alvalade XXI Stadium in Lisbon, Portugal has towers much like I'm imagining to hold up our canopy while also making a bold statement on the horizon

Circulation ramps: Wrigley (classic, integrated) and Kauffman (modern, external)

Not my actual kids!

Lonely vendor...

Twins president Dave St. Peter presents his list of fan suggestions to the Ballpark Authority

Inexplicable bright yellow baseball amid the trees.

The 1963 team won 91 games! (Click to enlarge and see the names)

Who Owns What (Click for larger version. Source: Ballpark Authority)

Here's the view of the entrance ramp to 394. Looks like they are painting...

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BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

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FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

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NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

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