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Playoff Day Off

Small Subjects for the Intermission

October 8, 2009 10:15 PM

If you're like me, you're not very productive these days.

It's baseball pretty much all day on TBS, and despite the wildly varying quality of the announcers (I think all three of the other teams are better than the set we're stuck with) it can be difficult to look away.

But I had two things on my mind today. (If I create a new post today can I feel like I've at least accomplished something?)

(As I write, Torii Hunter has hit a three-run homer for the Angels. It sure looked like a "climb on my back" moment, and he is pumped. Did you know that he hit .299 in the regular season? That's a career high. Do we miss him? Well, yes, but Denard Span hit .311.)

Schedule? Look Closely

On my way out of the Metrodome last Sunday I spied a box of preliminary 2010 pocket schedules and grabbed a handful.

I didn't get a chance to look at one until today, but I saw something sort of unexpected: The gates at Target Field have all been renumbered!

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This was kind of implied by the placement of the Hrbek-themed restaurant at what had previously been known as the Oliva gate, but I don't remember hearing any official announcement about the change.

The numbering I've been using all along is what was seen on the model. Basically, they've just reversed the order. The Killebrew gate is now outside center field, and they are numbered counter-clockwise from there. The net is that Hrbek's gate ends up next to his restaurant, and Puckett still gets the main gate area off the plaza.

In addition, each gate is labeled with the area of the park which you are entering. This may seem like a small thing, but first-time visitors (which will include lots of people throughout the life of the park) will find it much easier to know where to enter to get closest to their seats.

The print on this schedule is pretty tiny (uh oh, my eyes are getting old), but you can also make out that the main pro shop on Seventh Street, previously announced as "Twins Town", will actually be called "Majestic Twins Clubhouse Store." That's kind of wordy, and is going to take a little time before it will roll off anybody's tongue. (JohnF points out in the comments that "Majestic" is the brand name of Major League players' uniforms.)

The promenade is labeled simply as "Promenade", alas not yet bearing the hoped-for "Halsey Hall Memorial Promenade" designation. A lot of fans don't realize the gigantic role that Halsey played in selling the Twins to the public when they first arrived. He'd been a broadcaster for the Millers and had covered the Saints as a reporter for the Pioneer Press. A lot of fans, though excited for Major League baseball, were apprehensive about losing their favorite teams (both the Saints and Millers disappeared when the Twins arrived). Halsey smoothed it all over and brought everybody into the fold -- much like the logo seen on the Celebration Sign was designed to do. What he did for the early success of the team here can't be overstated.

(As I write, the first base ump has blown a pretty easy call allowing Howie Kendrick to reach on an errant throw, despite the fact that he was clearly out by more than a step. Instant replay, wherefore art thou?)

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Concessions to Mother Nature?

Comparing next year's schedule to this year's reveals some relatively small concessions to the weather, most of which are in April.

April of 2010 will see five fewer home games (9 versus 14 in 2009), and nine fewer night games (3 versus 12 in 2009). The shift is to 12:10 and 3:10 games, of which there will be five (versus 1 in '09).

The games missing from April are found in May and June. This may be due to just how the schedule falls, but it does allow all five games shifted out of the coolest month to be night games in the warmer ones.

At the other end of the season, it's almost the opposite of what you might expect as concessions to the weather. Four games are shifted from balmy August to become night games in September. The average temperature in September (71) is similar to May (70), but those September evenings do tend to cool off a little faster and a little more.

The explanation may come, in part, from something Dave St. Peter has said many times. He expects to get as many complaints about the lack of air conditioning as about the lack of heat.

The scheduling process is pretty mysterious. It's hard to know just how much control the Twins had over these things. But game times are probably the most within their control, and it appears that they've done at least some small things in consideration of fan (and player) comfort.

(As I write, the Angels have completed their shut out of the Red Sox. In terms of former Twins, Papi looked pathetic, and Torii looked pumped.)

Shine Off

A loyal reader found himself with the task of packing up lights which had gone bad out at the ballpark this week. In total, six of these 64-pound monsters had to go back -- in very large boxes.

Four were just bad, and the other two were shattered. Take a look.

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(As I finish, Cal Ripken Jr. is demonstrating how to steal a base on the pitcher's first movement. It's, well, a little bit interesting. But it turns out my favorite episode of ST:TNG is on WGN, so I'm moving from one type of distraction to another, for now.)

Thursday night, back at The Bombers. Win Twins!

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Nice Post, interesting to see how big those lights are. Noticed they have them lit again tonight.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 01:53 AM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 1

I'm disappointed there is only one weekday day game in July and August combined!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 07:55 AM by chris Highlight this comment 2

Yeah, I thought numbering the gates after players could be confusing.

You'll also note that they now go in numerical order, counter clockwise - 3, 6, 14, 29, 34. That should help newcomers, as well.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 08:09 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 3

It was so gratifying to get a 2010 Twins schedule on Sunday - open it up and NO METRODOME seating diagram.
How much longer are they keeping the lights on at TF? The Star Trib this morning had a little thing about it - saying that because the lights are so bright when they're new, they needed to burn for 100 hours.

I figured they were trying to figure out lighting settings. I read somewhere that TCFBS has 3 different lighting settings to save energy: one for the game, one for the band practices and one for the stadium maintenance/cleanup.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 08:45 AM by luke Highlight this comment 4

Good post Rick. Thanks for the schedule analysis.

I tried to click on the last post but the link has vanished. Is it just me? A glitch?

Thanks much.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:16 AM by Max Highlight this comment 5

not really getting what's majestic about a team apparel store. you're right it's kinda wordy.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:24 AM by David Highlight this comment 6

Max - It must be a glitch because I could not access that post either.

I have said it before and will say it again but this unbalanced schedule needs to go.

I am not saying get rid of the unbalanced schedule completely, but instead of playing the White Sox 19 times, why can't we play them 17 times and play 1 or 2 more games at Fenway Park in Boston.

Two years in a row the Twins have only played two games at Fenway, both early in the season and both during the week.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 7

Alex B.,

The previous numbering method was also in numerical order, but it started at the "Right Field Entrance" and numbered clockwise.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM by Rick 8

Yep, a small glitch prevented the "Continue reading..." link from being printed on that last thread (my article was too short).

I added a link to the body which get you back into it.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM by Rick 9

Majestic, for those not aware, is the name brand of Major League players uniforms.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:21 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 10

JohnF,

That IS very hand to know. I did not. (I'm going to edit the article to add it.)

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM by Rick 11

can i just say: WE GOT EM TONIGHT

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:40 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 12

Thanks for the link, Rick.
A great read (see link)about the excesses of NYS. I hope two people, in particular, read this: 1. Joe Mauer. The extra dough may appear grand, but there is a sense of hollowness that accompanies it. 2. DSP. I'm all for a brand spanking new ballpark, but I definitely do NOT want what NYS has become. I fear the moat at TF may already create some of that sentiment, to a lesser degree, but there nonetheless.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 12:33 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 13

Rumor has it Baby Jesus spent his off day yesterday with a NYC Realtor.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 1:25 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 14

I had two thoughts about the TF moat:

1. I wish it weren't there. There are so many more pricing options without it, and a sense of privilege and exclusivity in every TV shot with it there. When watching a game I'm constantly reminded that A) I'm not there, and B) even if I were there I'd be in relatively crappy seats eating relatively crappy food and drinking relatively crappy beer. Conspicuous greed is not very flattering and has, throughout history, had dire consequences for the greedy.

2. Some tickets at TF will be very reasonably priced. I might actually be able to take one (but probably only ONE) of my kids to a game for less than $50. My whole family will still probably run around $100, so that isn't going to happen very often. But the Twins seem to be at least making an effort to stay affordable.

The most horrifying section of the article had to do with harvesting profit now, with the potential of the death of the customer base in a generation. That's something which needs to be taken very seriously by MLB and each individual team.

The temptation would be to shrug it off with, "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it." By the time we get there (if we get there) it will be way too late.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM by Rick 15

Oh what the hell is Favre doing with a realtor from NYC? Truth Hurts, you gotta turn the radio dial to the left every so often and take a break from KFAN. Good God.

rick, while I think the moat is a weird idea, the twins might take advantage and put some ads on the moat wall...i wonder if it's low enough that it would be visible on tv broadcasts?

or like, when ESPN or Fox does their national telecasts (I have a feeling the Twins will get ALOT of national tv next year) they can put their banners right there, and have it looking at you the entire game.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM by luke Highlight this comment 16

This is off-topic and may have already been discussed, but did anyone else notice the new Twins logo used at the beginning of the Tigers game on TBS?

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 2:46 PM by Jonzo Highlight this comment 17

Yes it was noticed...and yes it was discussed.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 18

Reading that link on NYS above, one cannot help but think of the fall of the Roman Empire and all of it's perverted excesses.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 4:02 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 19

Went to TF Wednesday night but couldn't hang around long. Was able to snap a few pictures of the back of the scoreboard and down the street towards TF from downtown.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 20

I absolutely love that view down 6th street. AWESOME!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 21

The one thing that maybe bothered me a little about the "new logo" displayed on TBS was the absence of "Minnesota". Maybe they didn't need it for the TV production, but the current one has the "Minnesota" with the underline.
It's not like the last time, when Norm Greed took the "North" out of North Stars for two years then subsequently moved to Dallas. The Twins aren't moving anywhere, except a couple blocks north to TF. But, I just thought it strange that it was absent.
And, some of my Facebook friends are STILL commenting on that God-awful blazer Craig Seger was wearing Tuesday night.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM by luke Highlight this comment 22

They just had a thing on the Number 5 about StubHub and some ticket concerns about the Vikes/Packers game on Monday.

Rob Mazen from the Number 5 said that one guy got tickets for Section 435. I think we all know what's wrong with that one. Another guy got the "Print from Home" type, and the barcodes didn't work.

More and more, i'm liking TicketKing...

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 6:09 PM by luke Highlight this comment 23

TicketKing? How about something closer to home (which is getting ever closer to launch...).

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 6:18 PM by Rick 24

Great update as always, Rick! Long time reader, infrequent poster.

I gotta ask: What's your favorite TNG episode?!?!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 6:18 PM by Justin Highlight this comment 25

blackburn has not given up a hit yet and all they can talk about is what a great game burnett is pitching.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM by BULLDOG Highlight this comment 26

This is regards to Carlos Gomez. When I was 12 years old, I played on an all star team that played in a tournament. It was win a game and advance. We won against 3 different teams and won the tournament. I can honestly say that everyone on that team knew the game of baseball better than Carlos Gomez.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 6:47 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 27

Man this ump is squeezing us this inning.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 7:07 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 28

They've been hitting the ball hard all inning off Blackburn. Why did Gardy leave him in there against Rodriguez? I don't get it.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 7:15 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 29

Kubel is off to a horrible start in the series. Mauer won't see anything good to hit if Kubel does't start hitting.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 7:34 PM by Pnb19 Highlight this comment 30

I'm not sure how having enough money (or knowing the right people) to sit in the easy chair seats behind home is a display of "conspicuous greed". I think I know what you meant but it sounds a little like you're pandering for a Nobel Prize...

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 7:36 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 31

New Yankee Stadium is so cold. Black, White, and Blue. Cold.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:00 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 32

Although he has the personality of a wet rag, I have to say I like Ron Darling's professionalism in the booth. He knows what the hell he's talking about....

Who on this site is going to man up and give Nicky P his dues now!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:01 PM by Nodak (aka Nodak "Rube") Highlight this comment 33

I'm starting to think this team is deseased somehow. They just can't beat the Yankees. It's disgusting.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:37 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 34

Nathan needs be more assertive on the mound, he was completely AFRAID of A-Rod. Hopefully the Twins can pull this back. Nathan looks rattled.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:37 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 35

diseased even.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:38 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 36

MattW,

Nathan has looked rattled a lot this year. I remember reading an article by Reusse which I thought he was insane to say Nathan should be traded. Maybe he's right.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:39 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 37

I love nick punto. Best defensive infielder we have. Has Nathan done anything good in the post season? 2nd post season blown save in New York.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:39 PM by Pnb19 Highlight this comment 38

How big is the Gomez gaff now? GIGANTIC

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 8:41 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 39

The Yankees own Nathan! Nathan chokes everytime they play the Spankees. In 2004 ALDS Twins could have been up 2-0 in the series and Nathan blew it giving up a homer to Madonna's BF. Way to many off speed pitches he pitches scared against them.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:00 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 40

Get rid of Nathan he is terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:04 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 41

NATHAN(GIGANTIC CHOKE). A veteran too.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:05 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 42

The ROOKIE runner screws up. Lucky.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:09 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 43

wow. that was a garbage call. and just think that ump's only job is to watch the foul line...

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:15 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 44

joe mauer should have been on second during kubel's hit and that should have been a twins run. that left field ump should not be allowed to call any more playoff games!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:18 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 45

mplsgreg, that's probably the problem. He hasn't had to do jack shit all game, probably half-asleep back there. I hope he dies in an accident on his way home.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM by ace Highlight this comment 46

Why not have instant replay in a playoff game.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:20 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 47

Rick - believe me, when you launch our ticket group- you're my Twins ticket guy.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:21 PM by luke Highlight this comment 48

Get rid of the third base coach well your at it.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:24 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 49

I thought that was MN's own Tim Tschida down the LF line on the Mauer ball at first, but alas it was Phil Cuzzi. HP to RF in the 6 man umpire rotations for the playoffs.

Time for Gomez to redeem himself here with the bases loaded and 1 out...FML he grounds to Tex, 2 outs, no runs, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:24 PM by Max Highlight this comment 50

BTW: Luke there really is no reason to use a ticket broker. You will have much better luck using either Craigslist/Ebay or hawking tickets before the game on the street while leaving lots of Benjamins in your pocket.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:25 PM by Max Highlight this comment 51

It's as if the universe conspires against the Twins.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:26 PM by Jervill Highlight this comment 52

well if the yankees don't score here, there is no doubt the twins should have won, and there is no doubt the umps play for the yanks. a$$holes.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:27 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 53

Twins have left 17 on base Yankees 5 left on

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:28 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 54

sorry guys but i am done with the twins. poor batting (swinging at first pitch twice with the bases load and no outs). poor managing by gardy and crew by not telling your guys to not do that. hate to say it, but the twins don't deserve to win this game after their piss poor play in the batter's box.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 55

FUCK THE YANKEES

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:30 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 56

Twins stranded... Yankee Home Run Game Over. Now I'll finish my thought. Twins stranded 17 runners. They don't deserve to win. What is it with this team in New York. Is it really a matter of payroll? I don't get it.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:31 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 57

by the way, click my name for a link to a strib article about concerts at Target Field. looks like many concerts would lean that direction thanks to the idiotic no booze policy at TCF.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:32 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 58

actually, in this instance i will say F the twins. they blew this game on their own (with the exception of the missed call down the line by the ump last inning). gardy and some guys on this team are not big-game players and each post-season makes it more and more evident.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:33 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 59

mplsgreg - who really cares about concerts right now?

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:34 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 60

I have to agree with you Beta, They Yank own the Twins. We should just become there AAA team. Its time to clean house. Get rid of Nathan and GoGo.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:36 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 61

You're probably right Max. Especially next year, broker prices are gonna be high.
I've had very good experience with eBay in the past - matter of fact, it was because of a lost eBay auction, that I ended up with tickets to the "final" game.

DAMN YANKEES! Mark Teixeira hasnt had a walk-off hit all season long, and he chose TONIGHT to break that streak.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 62

Really bad call in the top of the 11th cost the Twins at least a run. :(

Not going to be easy winning 3 in a row, even with 2 at the Dome. :(

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:37 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 63

Twins have out hit the Yankees two games in a row and have nothing to show for it. Mijares is garbage too.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:39 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 64

jfh, If they are as angry as I am they'll have no problem.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:42 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 65

AAAAHHHH!!! I can't even make coherent sentences any more! Bases loaded. Delmon. Umpire. Nathan. Gomez. ugh...

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:44 PM by Oaks Highlight this comment 66

Why? I just cant understand why the Yankees have our number like this. What do they have that we don't? Oh that's right, Performance Enhancing Drugs!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:44 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 67

JFH...You make me laugh! Thanks I needed the laugh after that horrible game.

What is Gardy's record vs the Yankees? I remember reading it somewhere and it's outrageous.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:44 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 68

And Cuzzi

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:46 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 69

The tough thing for me is that I'm a long time Yankees fan and they are my second favorite team in the AL.

This has been the toughest series for me to watch in years. I was so conflicted when Jeter hit the home run the other day and my wife was stunned when I was upset when the Yankees scored tonight.

Tickets in hand for Sunday and Monday - GO TWINS!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 70

time for my end of year rant:

different year, same results. division championships don't mean jack shit if you can't ever win a world series, let alone get to one.
gardy (other than getting to the ALCS in 2002 and that didn't have anything to do with him) has shown time and again that he is not a post-season manager. i will grant you that some of that is because of the lack of depth on the twins team year in and year out, especially when you get to the end of the regular season. obviously that part is on terry ryan and bill smith.

5 division championships in 8 years and you have only gotten to the ALCS once?!?!? i know this sounds crazy - and it will never happen - but i think gardy's time should be up. perhaps for some of you a division championship is enough, but this same old dog and pony show is getting reall old, really quick.

thank God it is football season.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 71

I wouldn't jump ship on Nathan so quickly. Regardless of his huge choke job tonight, he's still one of the best in the league. Same with goes with Gardy, remember the praises we were singing tuesday night? I know you guys are going to think I'm being a cool-aid drinker but this happens every forum for a sports team (I read the Wild boards quite regularly).

Still I HATE those dirty money hungry sons-of-bitches, aka the Yankees

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:02 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 72

MLB salary cap anyone?

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:03 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 73

I am not gonna blame the loss on Phil Cuzzi, the Jersey boy and I can guarantee grew up as a Yankees fan, but I still can call him a god damned fool. That idiot really needs to be investigated immediately because there is a difference in blowing a call and purposely making the wrong call. I think that there was no way that he could not have done the latter.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:05 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 74

I feel your pain Beta but I'm not sure all the blame can be laid on Gardy. I blame Smith for being stupid and the Pohlads for being cheap. I think it's remarkable that Gardy gets this team of no-names (besides Mauer and Morneau - who has yet to show up in the playoffs on or off the damn roster). This is the off-season of Bill Smith's career. It's now or never. Kudos to him for picking up Cabrera (basically because he fell in his lap)...But it's been off-season pick-ups or lack thereof that's been Smith's downfall. The clock starts now Billyboy...Start doing your homework, start getting the Pohlad boys to open up the checkbook now that you have your multi-million dollar playpen. Get ready because the Twins MUST be active early in the free-agency period this off-season. If not, I'm done completely. I'm sick of being the aw shucks Twins - aren't they cute, the little engines that could but won't in the playoffs.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 75

How bout permanent ban for Steroids/HGH.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:10 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 76

DP, Are you positive he's from Jersey? Rubechat thinks there maybe some ratings conspiracy.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 77

No joke Camden. Google it. Newark, New Jersey born 8/29/55.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:16 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 78

A quick swing by Mr. Cuzzi's wikipedia page says he was born in Newark, NJ (sounds like an Italian name to me)...

Interestingly the page is already updated with the night's events. Always makes you wonder at least a little bit. Especially after the NBA referee scandal and Tim Donaghy fixing games....

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM by Max Highlight this comment 79

At least Cuzzi can hide behind Consistently Bad or Clinically Blind Bucknor tonight out in Anaheim...

Tschida is right. Nobody feels worse than the umpire. But that still doesn't take back the bad call. Hindsight is 20/20, but who knows what happens in the inning if the correct call is made.

Bottom line is that the Twins had several hits and opportunities after that. Simply curled up into the fetal position once again in the Bronx....

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM by Max Highlight this comment 80

Those on Facebook, Click my name.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:22 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 81

mattw - hate to say it like this, but your apparent "aw shucks" attitude and the many twins fans who share is a primary reason why the twins front office won't go out (and gets away with it year after year) and pick up the higher-priced free agents that this team has always needed in order to actually WIN in the post season.

the front office knows that winning a division championship on the last weekend of the season every few years (and then getting bitch slapped in the playoffs) is enough for many clueless fans who only show up to a game or two during the last couple weekends of the season.

camden - phil cuzzi is from new jersey.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:23 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 82

Carlos Gomez showed his value tonight getting thrown out between 2nd and 3rd base costing the Twins at least one run in the 4th. He also had a great plate appearance in the 11th inning with bases loaded and no outs, swinging at the first pitch.

What a frickin disappointment tonight leaving 17 runners on base. To top it off, you bring your big money "all-star" closer in to close the door and he fails to do so.

No idea how a LF umpire can blow that call when his lone responsibility is to watch the line. There is no excuse to blow a call like that in the postseason with SIX umpires on the crew.

The bottom line is the Twins blew too many chances to win this game and they didn't deserve to win it. Also, what happened to the plate discipline we saw over the last 3-4 weeks? It sure seemed to me too many swings on first pitches tonight.

On to some positivity...Nick Blackburn is quickly turning into a big-game star. What another great performance tonight. It's a shame our bullpen is sub-par. That is up to the owner's and management to improve the bullpen (and other aspects of the team), enough said.

We have some big-time young players to be proud of in Span, Blackburn, and obviously, Joe Mauer.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:25 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 83

Props to Tex for the 318' 1" homerun (backhanded compliment). He is clutch, and if MVP were awarded FOLLOWING the postseason like it should, he'd be front-runner to OUR man-crush w/Mauer. Hell, the blown call was a Mauer defensive-swinging flair to LF.

Beta:

how many times have you been done w/the Twins this year? And your reasoning for pinning blame on Gardy has left me speechless. Buddha!!!

After Blackburn's clutch 5 innings, pitchers consistently got behind in the counts = advtge. hitters. As an arm-chair manager, how do pin blame on the skipper? Who called those pitches? UNTOUCHABLE did.

This loss just solidifies my love for this team.

WIN TWINS!

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 10:46 PM by Nodak (aka Nodak "Rube") Highlight this comment 84

nodak flub - time for you to go back to your minot, north dakota deer hunting stand now and leave the "big-boy" talk to the grown-ups.

they obviously don't teach reading comprehension up in hayseedville or where ever you are from.

1.) i said gardy's abject failure is his compilation of post-season ineptitude.

2.) i did not pin tonight's loss entirely on gardenhire, but part of the blame does go his way - as i mentioned earlier.

3.) some of the blame DOES go gardenhire's way because he has guys going up and swinging at the first pitch with bases loaded and no one out. the fact that he doesn't get in their ear before their at bat and tell them to absolutely NOT to do that is 100% on him and his staff.

4.) game, set, match nodak hack. want to try again?

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:04 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 85

Yes, they were free-swinging, I know. I should have acknowledged D Young & C. Gomez's situational hitting skills. However, I'm tired of the manager "hitting the road" because of things like this.

"Aw Shucks". I'm done with this team.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM by Nodak (aka Nodak "Rube") Highlight this comment 86

Apparently, tonight wasn't the first time Phil Cuzzi made a call in favor of the Yankees. Click my name to see what I'm talking about.

Posted on October 9, 2009 at 11:55 PM by Jervill Highlight this comment 87

I am going to go ahead and declare it: 10/9/09 TWINS VS. YANKEES, THE TOUGHEST LOSS TO TAKE IN TWINS HISTORY.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 07:54 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 88

Betaband, love your passion but take a lithium pill dude.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 08:39 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 89

I hate the Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 08:50 AM by Strongred Highlight this comment 90

Here's my take...
The baseball gods are leveling things off after giving us miracles in 87 and 91. Those two WS crowns were amazing and unlikely. It's now time to pay our dues as losers in the play-offs. All you dip sticks blaming Gardy, Go Go, Nathan, etc were loving those guys on Tuesday night. The baseball gods will owe us again in a few years fellas. Stay true and I'll keep drinking my kool aid. We have TF to look forward to next year. ADIOS!
ps. It still hurts though! OUCH! C'mon Nathan!
pss. Anyone remember the last time the Spankees one it all? The baseball gods feel they are due I suppose. That's baseball!!

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 08:56 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 91

Won it All

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 08:57 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 92

"pss. Anyone remember the last time the Spankees one it all? The baseball gods feel they are due I suppose. That's baseball!!" - Locker

Really? The Yanks go a few years between titles (2003 was the last time - a whole six years ago, BTW) - and all of a sudden the team that's won exactly a quarter of all the WS titles (26 of the 104 contended for) are "due"? And, BTW, those 26 were all won between 1927 and 2003 (a 76 year period), so they basically have won the WS every three years since the mid-30's... Are you really trying to say the Yankees deserve to win it, and no other team does?

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 09:08 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 93

Goober - exactly. The Yankees deserve nothing, and after last night I believe that more than ever. If the Yankees are due, why the hell aren't the Cubs or Indians due? Because they have the highest payroll, by quite a significant margin?

I've never been so pissed off as a sports fan - at least not since the Vikings/Falcons NFC championship game, and then there weren't horrible officiating calls (at least not ones that I can recall).

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 09:14 AM by downwithny Highlight this comment 94

Although, they Yankees last title was in 2000, not 2003. Florida won in 2003, the year of Bartman.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 09:14 AM by downwithny Highlight this comment 95

They better start turning on the heating coils...look at the field. Hopefully they have everything where it needs to be

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM by Deenels Highlight this comment 96

HOW can Cuzzi miss that call!! There have been many bad calls in baseball, some in big games, but I have NEVER seen such an obviously fair ball called foul. Cuzzi is 10-15 feet away. Sorry just woke up and still upset about many aspects of the game.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 97

How could they build a MLB ballpark in Denver without a roof?!?!?!?! (click my name)

FYI, I'm joking... :)

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM by Goober Highlight this comment 98

Geez - at 7:30 AM, it looks like they sand-blasted the seats gray. Looks awful.
Section 12 is STILL without all of its seats installed. I wonder what the deal is. It looks like they have boxes of seats, ready to be installed - but no movement in that direction.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM by luke Highlight this comment 99

Looks great now. Kind of fun watching it all melt from 10-11. Roof, who needs a roof? It snowed, we can play and didn't even have to shovel (which probably would be done if necessary)

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 100

I'd hate to have the TF job of actually taking a shovel for those sometimes sizable April snows, and shoveling out ALL the aisles, and ALL the stairs, and possibly the concourses...what a mess.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 101

Is Betaband implying that North Dakotans shouldn't be Twins fans, or is this just a beef with that specific individual? Either way, it kind of deflates an argument when one resorts to stereotypes.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM by Jonzo Highlight this comment 102

locker wrote: "The baseball gods are leveling things off after giving us miracles in 87 and 91. Those two WS crowns were amazing and unlikely. It's now time to pay our dues as losers in the play-offs."

please tell me you are joking locker.

1.) 1991 was almost 20 years ago. i don't think the "baseball gods" are at all concerned with something so long ago. especially something that had absolutely nothing to do with the yankees.

2.) what in the world do you mean by: "i think it is now time to pay our dues as losers in the playoffs?" where have you been since 2002? under a rock? we have been to the playoffs five times in eight seasons and have only made it to the ALCS one frickin' time. that is pretty pathetic. i think we have "paid our dues as true losers in the playoffs" already.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 103

Gardy is a great regular season manager but in the postseason he is over his head. Since game 1 of the 2002 ALCS the Twins postseason record is 2-15 including 8 consecutive losses. I am getting sick and tired of getting beat in the playoffs.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 104

Beta, You are right! I'm so depressed today! It will be a long winter thinking of game 2 last night. My first comment came out all wrong. I'm just happy we're not the Cubs or Indians. I was trying to look on the bright side...with no luck! Seriously though, How can MLB allow Cuzzi on a field again? Plus, I heard this same crew was coming to Metrodome for this series. MLB would be very wise to take Cuzzi out and let him think about that call all winter.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 3:43 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 105

Some native American tribes would have a "regular" chief and a "war" chief. Maybe TK should be put on retainer?

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 106

Division Champs T shirts at Pro Shop: $35 plus tax
Division Champs T shirts online: $25 no tax

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 5:02 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 107

it's not going to be long winter. we have a great place to watch games to look forward to in just a few short months. no more envying other baseball cities. anything past the central div. championship is gravy. if they can't pull a miracle against the yankees i'll be pulling for tori hunter and the angels. the angels always play them tough.

and if not that, joe torre will deny them.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM by eddie (aka tim) Highlight this comment 108

couldn't remember if this had been linked yet....nice photo of the celebration sign included

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 109

Upper deck seats are all in!!!

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 110

Refusing to buy a shirt for a mere division championship: $0

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 111

Seeing the Twins come back from 0-2 to win the ALDS....Priceless.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 112

I wonder if the Twins are going to have the better camera angles like the Cards and Red Sox have once TF opens. It looks like they'd be able to set up a camera behind the batter's eye.

Click on my name for the video link.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM by downwithny Highlight this comment 113

Camden....Either you visited a psychic today otherwise....serve me up some that stuff you're drinkin...

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 114

Sooooooooo...The Rockies and Phils are postponed in Denver due to weather...Is the national media - who just can't come to grips with the fact that outdoor baseball is going to be played in MN - calling for a roof over Coors Field? Of course not! There was snow on the field at our ballpark this morning...someone flipped the window defroster switch and TA-DA we have a cleared playing field. Baseball could have been played today at TF!!! It looked mighty chilly there at TCF today on TV, I haven't heard if anyone died yet, maybe some of you locals can keep me posted. The fans sure looked like they were having fun - made me have flashbacks to Memorial Stadium in Nov and Met Stadium Nov-Dec. Nice to see 2 wrongs, righted. Here's hoping someday the Vikings and their fans can return to their natural habitat someday.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 115

kevin - the Vikings can't move outdoors.
If they did, the Super Bowl would never come back to Minneapolis, or the NCAA Final Four. Gotta think of the big ticket events and their future in our state.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 116

My apologies in advance for bringing up a subject that was roundly criticized, and rightly so, a few days ago but Betaband just pissed me off.

Betaband, you went on about how you “don’t live in a place called “the cities”. no such place exists.” and asked people to stop referring to Minneapolis/St. Paul in that manner. Well you lost whatever was left of your credibility when you referred to all of us in North Dakota as being from “hayseedville” and told us all to, “leave the “big-boy” talk to the grown-ups.”

Well guess what you foul mannered pipsqueak, there is no such place as hayseedville. I have lived in North Dakota my entire 57 years and been a Twins fan since they came to Bloomington in 1961 and I will not let you treat the people of a state that probably has a higher percentage of Twins fans than Minneapolis with such disregard.

And what’s with the term “outstate Minnesota” as if your neighboring states are extensions of you. It’s time you get over yourself – oh, and quit being so lazy and use the damn shift key!

I actually agree with you on calling a city by its name but when I travel I refer to The Cities because that is an accurate representation of where I am going. I am likely going to go to Minneapolis and St. Paul and Inver Grove Heights and Bloomington and Edina and maybe others. Of course during the baseball season I refer to them as The Twins Cities ;)

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM by Play Ball! Highlight this comment 117

i bought my Central Division Champions shirt for $35 on my way out the door of 163 and it was worth every penny. :D

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM by jax Highlight this comment 118

Why luke? I'm so sick of that superbowl, final 4, NCAA regionals bullshit! We survived without hosting the superbowl when the Vikes played outdoors. Chicago has done fine without the superbowl. New York has done fine, Boston, Denver, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Buffalo have all survived without hosting a superbowl - hell, and those cities are usually represented in a superbowl - gee wouldn't that be neat for a change?!?!?! Why did they make it? Because they have had good teams and outstanding homefield advantage come playoff time. Noise is overrated - remember 1998 anyone?????? Do you see any of those cities regret that they built outdoor football stadiums because they can't host one lousy superbowl???? NO!

Luke, Will you be attending the superbowl if it comes to Minneapolis ONCE again? 2 yrs ago when it was here in Glendale the cheapest ticket was $1500 a pop. Will any of us??? Is it worth it to build a FAKE indoor arena for football to host ONE meaningless superbowl which probably 15% of the attendance is actually from MN????? No, I'd rather see MN tax dollars spent on a stadium which will give MN's football team the incredible homefield advantage it once had and maybe, just maybe this team will make it to the superbowl again. It's no mystery why only one indoor team has ever won a superbowl and before the Colts did, it was a loooooooong ass drought of no indoor teams in the superbowl and it will probably be again.

In 1992 we were damn lucky that we were having an unseasonably warm period. Nobody in their right mind wants to go to MN in February to watch the superbowl.

Erik the Red cast a spell on the Vikings when they moved indoors - much like the billygoat in Chicago did to the Cubs. The Vikings have never been and never will be the same again until they're free to roam frozen prairie once again.....I need more Vodka!

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 119

Kevin-
There are two teams from domes to win Super Bowls the Rams won in 1999 and the Colts a few years ago. But I agree with you football is meant to be played outside in the elements. What an awesome home field advantage late in the year. I am looking forward to TF next year, I have only been to one outdoor game in my life a few years ago in Colorado and it was an awesome experience.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 8:35 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 120

thanks firedog, I always forget about the rams as I still think of st louis as an outdoor football city (shows you how old i am)....

Is the new meadowlands in NJ going to be outdoors? No. Why do you suppose Heinz Field, Gillette Stadium, Licoln Financial Field, M&I Bank Stadium, Qwest Field and Invesco Field were built without a top?? Is the superbowl really that beneficial economically to spend an extra 200+ million on a retractable roof? It seems like the jolt to the local economy would be a wash with the added cost. I'm no economist but I have the economic side of this garbage. If we're going to call it a Vikings stadium, build it for the Vikings. Let Indianapolis and Detroit have the final 4's - there's nothing else to do in those hellholes anyway....relax greg, I know you're touchy about Detroit being it's your hometown.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 8:45 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 121

Hey fans. The Twins have released good season ticket seats now for the playoffs. Still selling in strips though.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM by robin Highlight this comment 122

I've read that the Wilfs would be fine with a completely outdoor stadium, but that it would be easier to finance the stadium if they went into the deal with the state/county/city, because the state/county/city would want the roof for the Super Bowl, Final Four, etc., and they would help with a greater portion of the financing.

That just seems dumb, though. The stadium would see one, maybe two Super Bowls in 30 years, and 2-3 Final Fours in the same time period. And for a maximum of 5 truly major events in 30 years, the Vikings would be moving from one dump to just an updated one. Yawn.

I say build an outdoor stadium near St. Cloud, where land is cheap, you don't have to worry about congestion in the cities (oops, Minneapolis), and it would involve more of the state in its professional sports. The Patriots play further from Boston than St. Cloud is from Minneapolis. Yeah, I know it won't happen, but I've always thought that that would be pretty cool.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 8:50 PM by downwithny Highlight this comment 123

I'm not even sure the vikings need to go that far out of town. Crookdale Mall would be a great location...large parking lot for tailgating. Lord knows that part of town needs a facelift of any kid.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 9:02 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 124

geez...when a drink like maz....i type like maz

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 9:03 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 125

I agree kev. Super Bowl tickets are obscenely expensive, but the atmosphere for that week is great.
I've been to the Final Four...and if our new retractable roof stadium is nice enough, the NCAA might come back more often. The Final Four attracts a ton more people than it used to - thats why the NCAA is has had it in domed stadiums exclusively since 1997.
A retractable roof stadium would be put to use much more than an outdoor one. Just ask the folks in Green Bay. Ever seen a monster truck show there, or a Necromancy concert or a convention? I sure haven't.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 9:26 PM by luke Highlight this comment 126

There was an article in the Strib the other day talking about using money from gaming to pay for a new stadium for the Vikes, I think they could use gaming money and tax revenue from taxes the players pay in the state to pay down the bonds.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 9:48 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 127

I agree with Kevin in that the Crookdale site is big enough and sure needs some stimulus going on there. A real outdoor stadium might just be what the doctor ordered.

We need to get back to the days where people were afraid to come to MN in the cold.

We've had enough Domes for a lifetime, get outside to play.

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 10:04 PM by MarkW Highlight this comment 128

Does anyone know where to find the "Metrodome Moments" #24-#1? When I go to the Metrodome Moments page, the highest number I see is #25...
They did release the rest of them, right?

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=4449250&c_id=min

Posted on October 10, 2009 at 11:49 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 129

I was wondering the same thing theloniousjoe!

I wonder where Tuesday night's tiebreaker game would have ranked in the Metrodome moments? Definitely top 10, if not, top 5 in my opinion.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 01:03 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 130

Downwithny, that St. Cloud idea for a new Vikings stadium is the worst idea I've ever heard. Yeah, the Patriots play outside Boston, but only 21 miles. St. Cloud is about 50 miles or so outside of Minneapolis and even further from St. Paul and the east metro area.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 01:10 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 131

I agree kev. Super Bowl tickets are obscenely expensive, but the atmosphere for that week is great.

So Luke, you'd rather have that one week of atmosphere at the cost of the Vikings having the ultimate atmosphere for MANY MANY years to come.

I've been to the Final Four...and if our new retractable roof stadium is nice enough, the NCAA might come back more often. The Final Four attracts a ton more people than it used to - thats why the NCAA is has had it in domed stadiums exclusively since 1997.

Again, something that might happen a handful of times throughout the lifetime of new fixed roof or retractable roof venue. The competition is out there (Indy, Phoenix, Detroit, St. Louis, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta) that the Twin Cities probably wouldn't host as many final 4's as you might think.

[i]A retractable roof stadium would be put to use much more than an outdoor one. Just ask the folks in Green Bay. Ever seen a monster truck show there, or a Necromancy concert or a convention? I sure haven't.[i]

This isn't Green Bay and yes I have seen monster truck shows at outdoor football stadiums. They happen during the beautiful summer months when football isn't played and the noise isn't nearly as ear-splitting in an outdoor football stadium during monster truck shows - in fact it's also preferred. Just like mom said to never play ball int he house, you weren't suppposed to drive your truck in the house either. Concerts are wonderful outdoors. In 1978 I saw the best outdoor concert I have EVER seen. It was at the Met it was the Eagles, Pablo Cruise and Steve Miller Band - the sound was fabulous with no echo. I was also at a Rolling Stones concert at the Metrodome and the sound was AWFUL with that echo. And as far as conventions? That's what convention centers are for. We need a PRO FOOTBALL STADIUM, not some multi-purpose one-size fits all expo center like we've had for 28 miserable years.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 01:29 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 132

Actually, in regards to the Final Four, I think the NCAA is looking to "Superbowl-ize" the thing and narrow it down to just a few cities. I.E. Indianapolis, who with their retractable roof, will be host to a Final Four once every five years. Once the NCAA takes a peek at the Jerry Jones House of Ecumenical Worship, I'm sure Dallas will end up the same.

Minneapolis needs to compete for these kind of events, and not be pushed to the back of the cupboard. And, I think the only way we can do that, is with a retractable roof.

Besides, where would the Gophers baseball team play for the first half of their season, which begins in February, with an outdoor football stadium?

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 08:14 AM by luke Highlight this comment 133

I'm up too early and anxious for tonight's game. Hope Pav can stick it to em. I can't say I think they will win this series. However, I am hoping for a modicum of success against the Yankees when it is all said and done. I'd like them to go into next season not feeling totally impotent against them.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 08:35 AM by jax Highlight this comment 134

Again luke, it begs the question, what did the Gophers baseball team do for years before the Metrodome????? Whatever they did, they can do it again!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 08:54 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 135

My buddy Kev!

click my name and you will see how i sip! tailgating @ the dome during the one game playoff it was cold and rainy but the vodkakept us warm!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM by Mazaaratirick Highlight this comment 136

oh yea in chicago this spring after the sox-twins game!

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:14 AM by Mazaratirick (aka Mazaaratirick) Highlight this comment 137

Buffalo - my idea is bad because St. Cloud is further from Mpls than Foxboro is from Boston? Huh?

And there are tens of thousands of people at the Metrodome for every Vikings game who are not from MSP. People would absolutely make the trip, just like thousands of people travel to Green Bay when the Packers play. I highly doubt everyone at Lambeau lives in GB or that everyone at Soldier Field lives in Chicago, etc.

Anyway, Gillette Stadium is roughly 30 miles from downtown Boston (your 21 mile figure is probably from the outer edge of southeastern Boston), and about 50 miles from the northern Boston suburbs. And they fill up that stadium every week, just like they would if it were 100 miles from Boston. Their fans, like Vikings fans, live all over the region, and like good fans, they travel long distances to see their team play.

But there's not going to be a stadium built near St. Cloud anyway, so why argue about something that won't happen? The Blaine site would have been the best realistic location, in my opinion.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:24 AM by downwithny Highlight this comment 138

Blaine is definitely the best area for a Viking's stadium. The proposed site is huge, and would allow for large retailers/bars/shopping/huge parking lots and ramps and a training/summer camp facility near the stadium. Also, Blaine is the home of the National Sports Center and TPC Golf Course. It would also be near an airport which has private jets flying in all the time. A new stadium would make Blaine one of the best sports towns in the U.S. A new stadium doesn't have to be downtown. Blaine is close enough to MSP and has a lot of potential.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 10:37 AM by MB Highlight this comment 139

Blaine is sprawllllllllllllll

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 8:49 PM by bw Highlight this comment 140

I know that the general sentiment here is for an outdoor stadium for the Vikes, and I certainly won't argue against such a move. Please keep that thought in mind if you care to read further.
Simply playing outdoors will not bring back the Vikings' glory years. Disabuse yourselves of that notion posthaste. If playing outdoors in the cold was the simple remedy for football futility, please explain to me why the Packers, playing on the "Frozen Tundra" ( a redundant phrase if ever I've heard one)of Lambeau Field struggled through two decades of - at best - fair to middling teams throughout the seventies and eighties. Where were the Patriots' championship teams prior to 2001? How about the Eagles? How many Lombardi Trophies sit in their trophy case?
I would suggest that the temperature has little to do with the outcome. Cold weather gear and equipment has improved greatly since the Vikings left Met Stadium. Heated benches. Helmet warmers. Superior thermal gear, and gloves that allow receivers to keep their hands warmer without losing significant gripping ability. Heated fields and field turf improves footing. What advantage the Vikings once had would be blunted by technological advances.
Perhaps the Patriots championships have more to do with peronnel than cold fronts. If One believes that the Vikings, playing outdoors, would have the edge over southern teams, let me just remind you that the Vikings never beat the Cowboys at home in the postseason.
It all comes down to personnel.

Posted on October 11, 2009 at 11:02 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 141

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Champion's Club details (click to enlarge)



Look closely and you'll see limestone on the front of the press box!






That's Fifth Street (and a tattooed arm) in the foreground.



On this day, George was handling fruits and veggies right inside gate 34.



The seating bowl of Citizens Bank Park overlaid on the Target Field site



Spring of 1982 (click to enlarge greatly -- can you pick out Kent Hrbek?)



Seventh Street circulation



The stunning curtains, which skillfully evoke the architecture, keep the atrium from getting too hot in the late afternoon sun, simultaneously hiding the HERC.



Flagpole historian Ben McEvers at far right (click for the full photo set, graciously loaned to this site by Pat Backen)



Viewed from a different angle, it seems fair to wonder is some of those seats will have slightly obscured views. Yet, if they're cheap, that's not a problem.









Before the team came out to warm up, Kirby Puckett, Jr. was playing Frisbee out in center.






Click to enlarge. (Photo by Jared Wieseler)



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The main ticketing area beneath the restaurant.



This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of the main entrance. This is what you'll see as you enter by coming down Sixth Street.



Ballpark elevation diagram, viewed from Fifth Street. (Click to enlarge.)






Here's a first view of the surprisingly spacious walkway on Fifth between the ballpark and the LRT platform.



Photo by Tyler Wycoff



There's the opening through which the groundskeeping equipment will emerge (and disappear).









A close-up of the rooftop party deck.



Here's another look at the Oliva gate.



Looking back toward the doorway into the club



"I've never seen them do that before," said a Metropolitan Club waiter as I snapped this picture.









Saturday afternoon, KMSP-HD 720P



The plate marker is just to the left.



I suppose that one day my son will graduate from Mrs. Fields to Hooters. At least he won't have to travel too far. *Shudder*



Here's a curious little room at the end of the circulation ramp. What could they be selling there?



Section 101, Row 34



A scene repeated about a BILLION times each game









Photo by Jeff Ewer



The Fifth Street side is pretty busy. There's a small street entrance to the B ramp, then ticket booths and an entrance gate, a rare exterior section not covered in limestone, the wooden screen covering the circulation ramps, the administration building, and finally (just out of view) the interface with Northstar. All of that sits behind the LRT action. How pedestrians will interact with this side of the park is a great mystery to me. You know that Metro Transit won't be letting them cross the tracks anywhere but at either end of the block...



All that's left is to add wood! (Seventh Street circulation ramp.)



Upper deck view of the out-of-town scoreboard.






Looking up Seventh Street (click to see what it looked like from the same spot in 1950)



At the corner of the Pro Shop.



Look at all those flag poles! But wouldn't the one from Met Stadium look great just inside the gates in the middle of that entrance plaza?





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DSP - Dave St. Peter

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HRP - Home Run Porch

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