Plaza Particulars (Part 1)
March 7, 2009 2:31 AM
Getting back to the plaza design for a bit, here is some additional detail on the player/fan appreciation wall. First, this from the renderings which were released with the unveiling:
From the overview, this shows the entire wall from behind -- freeway directly below.
Up close, this is what you'll see as you walk along.
Next, here is a front elevation of the concept plan:
Concept drawing for the fan/player appreciation wall. (Click to enlarge.)
Along the same wall area will be pennants -- one for each year -- containing the complete roster for the team. Presumably these pennants will begin in 1961.
Team pennant. (Click to enlarge.)
Combining the information from these views, it looks like there will be eight 300-name boards, and lots and lots of room for pennants. This fencing goes all around the plaza, providing protection from falling to your doom in traffic below.
The quotes across the top are a great touch, and the whole thing is a great idea, though I can imagine that some fans will wish they could just "buy a brick" somewhere. They should be thankful that the process has been classed up a little bit.
Like many of you, I spent some quality time last week in the "virtual waiting room" at the Cubs online ticket office. Unlike some of you, I never even got to sniff around for spare seats. I just plain never got through.
A quick check back later confirmed that almost everything had been completely cleaned out. About that time reports started surfacing that most of these tickets were now for sale at nearly twice the face value on one of the ticket "broker" web sites.
This set me to thinking a little bit about the economics at play here and the role that these rules must play in the Twins' decision-making regarding ticket prices at Target Field.
See if you agree with the following:
1. The true value of a ticket is whatever someone will pay for it.
2. If a ticket can be acquired at below its true value, it can be resold at a profit.
3. Conversely, if a ticket can be sold for a profit, it was originally purchased somewhere below its true value.
4. Selling tickets at below their true value leaves money on the table.
5. Teams should, in order to capture the maximum revenue, immediately raise their prices to something approximating the levels at which tickets are selling on the secondary market.
It's really pretty simple supply and demand stuff, but the implications for getting a cheap seat to a Major League baseball game are somewhat dire -- especially in a 40,000 seat venue.
There are certainly some downward pressures on prices. For example, the price increases which would be needed to match the secondary market would immediately cause a backlash among the fan base. That backlash might not result in less tickets being sold, but it certainly could result in less interest for TV and radio broadcasts of the games. There's nothing like a sense of elitism to turn off the population as a whole.
There is also the risk that tickets which seem valuable now will not be nearly so valuable by the time the game is actually played. If the Cubs start stinking up Wrigley again, prices will tumble and the brokers will be left holding the proverbial bag.
Also, in the case of the Twins, there was a commitment made to keeping at least some seats cheap so that anyone can get in.
That's a laudable goal, but if the market will bear, for example, a doubling of those cheap prices, then the scalpers -- er, ticker brokers -- will snap them up as fast as they can and get them resold at a market rate. Simple economics.
The truth is that demand will be setting the actual prices at Target Field for the first few years. Oh sure, you may get lucky and get through to buy some tickets at face value on the web site -- surely not every ticket is being bought by a broker or his agent, right?
But the chances are greater that anyone wanting a seat in the new ballpark for the first couple of years may be forced into the secondary market, where the team's decisions on pricing have no sway.
It's food for thought.
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I realized I've never shown how the walkway over Seventh Street meets the A ramp
These are the footings for the staircase which will connect the plaza to the skyway.
Legends Club seats in context (above the main concourse, below the suite level)
Saturday afternoon, KMSP-HD 720P
You won't see much sky from these seats, but you'll always be warm
I suppose that one day my son will graduate from Mrs. Fields to Hooters. At least he won't have to travel too far. *Shudder*
The sign reads, "Mortenson Radio Channels".
Look closely at the overhang. You'll see the on the right it is flush with the fence, and then it sticks out farther and farther as you move toward center. More fun for Michael Cuddyer.
Viewed from the A ramp.
Bag checking at Ball Park Lanes was incredibly simple, as was the pick up later. The line was short and fast-moving.
Since pictures of the ballpark are forbidden, perhaps you'll enjoy this shot of the lovely apple tree in my front yard.
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"Hey, Ma, it says here we go in at gate 34. Must be all the way around on the other side!" Seriously, though, this is a really inspired idea.
Thanks for all the hard work out there, Cold Safety-Line Dudes. (I'm glad that my job does not require safety lines...)
This shows the area where the Northstar platform connects with the ballpark (that translucent oval). Above that is the area which will house the Twins operations offices.
This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of Seventh Street (looking west away from downtown). It's inviting, not imposing, and remarkably dignified.
This little pathway snakes between the LRT tracks and the Environmental Services Building, emptying into the parking area surrounding the HERC. It could be for maintenance, but it looks more like it's for convenience.
A view into the Legend's Club
Yes, it's pretty tempting to just walk right in...
The view out Gate 6 "Oliva".
This is what passes for imagination at Miller Park -- they didn't even get the shape right! (Source: LP)
This is why I get it, even if I don't like it.
Just lighted panels... *sigh*
Steel going up fast.
Showing more of the context for the louvers.
This is a slightly blurry view of the pavilion in center. It has a quirky shape, but one which is completely consistent with the overall ballpark design. Nice work there. You can also get a glimpse of the greenery which will rise above the fences.
A view from up (and in) the street.
Loading dock -- already in use!
BPM - Ballpark Magic
BRT - Bus Rapid Transit
DSP - Dave St. Peter
FSE - Full Season Equivalent
FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)
HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)
HPB - Home Plate Box
HRP - Home Run Porch
LC - Legends Club
LRT - Light Rail Transit
MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)
MOA - Mall of America
MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)
NYS - New Yankee Stadium
SRO - Standing Room Only
STH - Season Ticket Holder
TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium
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