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Plaza Particulars (Part 2)

March 10, 2009 1:19 AM

Lost in some of the chatter over the Target Plaza announcement was the (apparent) answer to some long-standing questions about the configuration of the entrance gates there.

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From the revised site plan, this is the configuration of Gate 34 Puckett.

The model disagreed with the original site plan as well as the early renderings -- which is understandable. But the configuration is interesting because the team has made a big deal out of saying that this will in effect be the "front door" for the ballpark. Circulation issues have to be at the forefront of their considerations.

I'm not sure whether this design comes from Oslund (who did the plaza design) or HOK (who did the ballpark design) or somewhere else. But it's clear that some thought has gone into it.

As it appears in these renderings, there will be nine (can't be coincidence, right?) swinging gates, four of which, roughly in the center, are covered by a little roof.

The little roof is a surprise, given that nothing like it appears in earlier information. It appears to be mostly ornamental, though it does focus movement a bit. You can easily imagine, for an event which does not require all nine gates, that the covered gates would be favored.

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One of the most appealing aspects to this gate has always been that it allows essentially unfettered visibility into the park for people approaching on the plaza.

Imagine taking that walk down from First Avenue, with the ballpark on display in front of you the whole way. The skyway between parking ramps provides its own sort of gateway, and as soon as you pass beneath it, the whole of the ballpark snaps into view. The worst thing to do at that point would be to somehow hinder it.

There may have been a temptation to do something more busy, like what I saw at Comerica. That would have been a mistake. And thought the roof hinders the simplicity a little bit, it's not so much as to take away from what is likely to be a breathtaking view.

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The back gates at Comerica park, like everything else, a bit overwrought.

Also of interest is the little bend, and the fact that the orientation of these gates allows for more plaza space outside.

Having walked this plaza, it currently seems quite spacious. But in viewing the new plaza design, it's clear that some of this space will now be taken up by a host of other things.

The topiaries take up less room than the original design's grove of trees (the foundations for which have now been quietly filled in with cement, in case you hadn't noticed), but there's so much going on here that every square inch of extra space will be put to use by some fan.

Some of the early drawings had the row of gates way out where the plaza finally reaches its widest point. This would have been disastrous, and has been averted.

It's important to note that comparing this plaza to the one currently found at the Metrodome isn't very useful. By my (admittedly crude) calculations, the Metrodome plaza is larger, and benefits from a sort of fade-away area which allows its perceived size to be even larger.

Target Plaza has very distinct and unforgiving boundaries, but it serves a different master. Where the Metrodome plaza was built to give fans someplace to hang out before entering the ballpark, Target Plaza is very much a pathway which guides people inside.

Some fans will surely hang out there, but not because they don't want to enter the park (as it is across town). There will be so much more to do inside Target Field, and such a different atmosphere, that the park itself is in some ways its own plaza space. Where the Metrodome has an air-tight barrier between in (bad) and out (good), Target Field has a more porous feel between in (good) and out (bad).

What a change.

The Pole Poll

Voting has concluded on the flag pole location, and it was a decidedly split decision. We even had a serious write-in candidate (a location on the Seventh Street side in front of the Pro shop).

But I have to say that I've been pondering this one for quite some time. I've admitted feeling a little bit disappointed when I originally heard what the team was planning. But that feeling is gone. So up next in our plaza review will be some discussion of how the plaza will get to and meet First Avenue, and why that old Met Stadium souvenir actually may have found it's best possible home up there.

Quick Pix

Noah and I stopped down at the park over the weekend to get a look at the Seventh Street facade. Here's a quick glimpse for those living in other places.

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Back of scoreboard; facade in context.


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Limestone still dominates the Seventh Street walkway from a pedestrian point of view. But brick take over as you move upward -- a concession to cost, no doubt.


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Gate 29 Carew


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The Carew gate ticket windows have grown a small awning.


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The brick has been tinted where the circulation ramp meets the admin building.


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These outfield stands will likely remain visible to passersby.


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Look at all that blank space. Canvas! (What should go on those walls? A giant schedule perhaps?)

Comments


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I don't buy it, the flag pole location is like a snub to the Met, when it should be in view of everyone at the park! Next thing we'll put the golden seat atop the shitstack, facing the wrong way!

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 08:05 AM by Uncle Tom, OG Highlight this comment 1

Nice update Rick. Much appreciated. Hope there is more to come. More pics more pics more pics!!!!

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 08:43 AM by Max Highlight this comment 2

Looks like the roofed sections of the gate have turnstiles and the others don't. I'd imagine they'll open the other gates only after games.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 08:51 AM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 3

My guess is that after the game, they can open all the gates to let people flood out. Before the games, they can use turnstiles to get in with tickets.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 09:12 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 4

I love the brick! Along with the wood it adds some great variety. I agree that the blank wall should contain a schedule, but my guess is it will be advertising.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 09:35 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 5

The giant schedule idea is a good one, but Duluth Tim is probably right that billboards may go up there. Even billboards though will be better than bare cement block. That's kind of the ugly dark corner of the park, and one that a lot of people arriving on the lightrail will see first. Is that entrance 394 going to be available to all traffic after games, or just busses?

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 09:43 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 6

"Yes...Mr. Pohlad - we have some space on the back of the stadium near the entrance to 394. We could put a Twins schedule or a giant mural of Twins greats up there. I suppose the other option is to scrape an extra $2k a month renting billboard space...um, ask for 3k a month...yes sir."

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 10:12 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 7

I hope the thugs around Block E don't migrate towards TF.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 8

one would hope they would step up the police presence once the thing is open

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 9

I doubt that space by the parking ramp will be used as a billboard/sponsor space. In my opinion there won't be much traffic in that area to be beneficial for the company. Also, it seems to be a wasted space for a schedule. How much pedestrian traffic will there be in that area anyways? All in all the Twins have their work cut out for them to add some sort of design to such a dark and dreary space.

In regards to a giant schedule, I would like to see it down by the first ave/6th street entrance where the Met flag pole currently will sit. It would be the first thing people would see when the arrive and the last thing when they exit the ballpark.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 10

Steeks- They almost certainely will, but at least it will never be as bad as "the cell." I think we had like ten homeless fellas looking for handouts on the trainride over.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM by DebbieDowner Highlight this comment 11

Jeff - I'm not sure if you've seen the area in question, but let's cover a few quick points about that corner of the park:

1. The lightrail will pass right next to the space. That may not seem big, but that's a lot of eyes over the course of a day.

2. The corner is above the entrance to 394. I will drive through there every day as soon as it opens, along with thousands of my neighbors.

3. The 5th Street bus station entrance is in that corner. While it's not a destination, many people transfer buses after passing through the entrance.

4. On game days, there is a large entrance/exit next to the corner.

As for thugs, I've written a couple letters to the city that the bus lines be moved off Hennepin and over to Marquette, where there's less entertainment business and restaurants that thrive from visiting suburbians. The loitering drives me nuts as well, but even with a lot of cops, thugs (well, wannabe thugs) get away with hanging out and causing trouble because they are "waiting for the bus". Move the bus line 2 blocks and the problem is solved.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 12

Is there really that big of a "thug" and homeless problem in that part of downtown? I know North Minneapolis has some issues, but it seems that downtown is very safe compared to most cities.

As for the blank space, how about more limestone and that dark brick? Keep it simple.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 13

Thanks for the information OG Jeff. I live in suburbia, so the only time I get down there is for dinner or for events at Target Center.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 14

I would say Block E has a thug problem, yes.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 15

Although I would qualify the area in question as safe for the most part, I am shocked that the city allows these wannabe thugs, aggresive panhandlers, and drugdealers to continually congregate in certain areas, especially around a known problem area like Block E. Aren't there loitering laws here? I have read before that the police feel powerless to do anything about the problem (and it can be a problem -- look up innocent man shot outside of Block E by stray bullet 2 years ago). But if there are loitering laws it's as easy as asking what their business is, and if they don't have any then give them the boot. Minneapolis needs to try harder to protect valuable commercial districts where honest hard-working people come to spend money. It is very frustrating as a downtown resident to see the struggle to not just protect, but grow retail and restaurants because of this cycle of thuggery, especially along Nicollet and Hennepin. This district should be as grand as the miracle mile in Chicago.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 16

I just got this from the Twins, Click me!

Oh and just for fun in the comment area in the end of the survey i did put down I want a tailgate area!!!!

I just cant let it go.. its to fun

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 17

I also put I want a tailgating area mazaratirick. Hopefully they give us what we want!

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 18

I also put tailgating... and thugs could also add a new experience; we can play Edward Forty Hands and shoot dice on the plaza before games.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 2:14 PM by DebbieDowner Highlight this comment 19

hey guys - so me and 3 other friends are going to get our 2010 season tickets for the new ballpark this week. for those of you who have already purchased 2010 season tickets do you have any strong recommendations on which section(s) to go for in the new park?

we have about 4 top choices right now and are going to pick the "winner" this week. just wanted to get some thoughts from those "in the know" on here. thoughts?

rick? mazaratirick? kev in az? lafferty?

appreciated.

Beta

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 20

Beta,

For me based on what I can afford ( not much) I love the LF bleechers hopefully the first few rows where the home run porch does not overhang to block the sun,, they are 18 bucks a seat a damn fine value when i pay currently 21 bucks a ticket to sit in the home run porch in the dumpy dome. 20 game pack 2 tickets...

thats what i put on my questionarre a few months ago.. i think my 2nd choice was the rf field box .. awsome seats @ 29.00 per great value but i would be happy with the bleechers @ 18..

if you are going in with 3 buddys then you will have more money to work with and can look at spendy seats cuz i amagine you will split the games ..

either way cant go wrong, i wish that the rf plaza section had season tickets cuz i would get those they remind me of the RF seats at Kaufman

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 21

I think the most underrated seats in the park will be the seats directly in front of you when you enter thru the Plaza. I haven't looked too much at the seating diagrams, but that may be what Maz is calling the RF Plaza Section.

If you've ever been to San Francisco's AT&T Park they would be akin to the "Arcade" seats in RF. Just a few rows and right on top of the action. Really too bad that the Twins won't offer these as season tickets. IMO, they should be offering any seat in the joint as a "Season Ticket". I think they are definitely over-estimating the demand for season tickets. 20K STs in 2010? Not over my dead body....

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM by Max Highlight this comment 22

The right field bleacher section and the right field overlook section are not available for season ticket choices.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 4:08 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 23

Rick, I'm not so sure the brick along 5th was a cost concern. There's more context along 5th than any other facade, and that's where the actual structure meets existing buildings. Furthermore, the exterior facade breaks up - the entire sweeping grandstand is one coherent structure, but the outfield exterior facades are not, thus it's appropriate to differentiate them a bit.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 4:15 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 24

Are the artist panels on the 5th street fascade going to be where the brick is indented a bit?

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 4:19 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 25

Beta,

What are your top choices for seats?

I always love sitting right behind home plate, even if it's in the upper deck. I feel like you get a great view of the game and surrounding, especially at a ballpark like T.F. with the nice city views.

The outfield seats should be a lot of fun, but some of them will come with partial obstructions. Plus, every game on TV is shot from the outfield, so I like to have a different view in person.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 5:23 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 26

Beta- I prefer the 1st base side. Twins side(thank god), good view of the scoreboard.

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 27

Beta,

Huh? Picking seats for 2010??? Twins relocation guide says seat selection doesn't start until May 1 (unless you're buying Legends Club seats)

Inquiring minds want to know... Am I missing something here?

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 6:28 PM by Mitts Highlight this comment 28

all - thanks for the suggestions.

lafferty - we are mainly looking in the left field/3rd base area and behind home plate.

mitts - i should have been clearer. i meant our top 4 choices based on where our season tickets from prior years (including the 2009 season) puts us, what is still open when we get to select, etc. we have a strategy where we are "upgrading" our 2009 season tickets to move us up the priority list. we are doing that this week and is more what i was referring to above. didn't mean to imply otherwise as you are correct we are not "picking" our 2010 seats this week. sorry about that!

so based on the above strategy we have 4 top choices for 2010 (in the $20-$50 per game range) and i wanted some outside opinions on what areas we should focus in on from those who have already spent a lot of time looking into it.

thanks again!

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 7:49 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 29

I hope someone informs MyNameIsMurray over at baseball-fever about our 5 gates being named after the greats.

Thanks,
Countdown

Posted on March 10, 2009 at 9:00 PM by 390 Days Highlight this comment 30

Isnt the parking prices in the A B C ramps set by who ever owns them or are the twins going have some say in the parking prices in those places. In relation to all those survey qeustions about them.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 03:21 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 31

Im sure the Twins will get a contract going with them and rent the whole ramp for a certin price then charge whatever they want on game nights...i would assume with it basiclly being connected to the ballpark that parking there would be about 15-20 bucks a game.. which means i will be a light rail solder!!!!

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 32

Aren't the A, B, and C ramps owned by the City of Mpls? I could be wrong.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 33

i believe steeks is correct. pretty sure the city of minneapolis owns the ABC ramps around target center and target field.

so minneapolis decides what they want to charge folks for their use & abuse.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 2:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 34

Anyone know how long it takes to walk from the Metrodome area down to Target Center/Target Field area?

I would love to park in my favorite lot in "zone 3" (according to the Twins parking survey)near the Metrodome off of 7th street and either walk down to Target Field or take the light rail from the Metrodome.

Otherwise, I might have to find a new favorite parking lot closer to Target Field or simply park at the Fort Snelling park and ride and take light rail.

Also, does anyone know what the best route to Target Field would be coming from the south? I am from the Rochester area and currently take Highway 55/Hiawatha Avenue into downtown.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM by Mike - Rochester Highlight this comment 35

it would be quite a walk from the dome, mike. if the weather is anything like today I'd avoid it like the plague.

you could take the light rail from anywhere on the line to where it stops right at First Ave and simply walk. you could get into the skyway through Block E, Target Center, or Butler's Square.

but it's just as easy, depending on the time of day, to just drive down to 2nd Ave and park on the street. that area cleans out pretty good after 6PM. and if there's no street (meter) parking, the ramps are right there and the skyway is connected.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 36

if you ever park on the street in that area make sure you read the signs very very carefully. some streets have meters until 6pm, others until 10pm and other even have no parking friday and saturday nights.

i'm a fan of the train. park at the lake street or ft. snelling park and rides and then roll into downtown after getting the "gameday" pass or whatever it's called. then you can skip the super long lines to try to buy a ticket. (and this is why i love my metropass...)

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 37

MIke - you could park by the dome and pay the .50 cent downtown lightrail fee, which will drop you off at the ballpark... seems like it will be a great option.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 38

some guy - the hiawatha line and the new central corridor line that will be coming online in a couple years will literally go all the way to the ballpark. so mike in rochester wouldn't even need to get off at 1st avenue if he didn't want to. he could ride it the whole way.

i would take the light rail from any point in minneapolis or park in the ABC ramps right next to the ballpark. besides you don't know if your old spot will even be around much longer if it is in the area where they want to build a new multi-use stadium in place of the metrodome and redevelop the land for housing/retail, etc.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 3:40 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 39

And don't forget the Northstar rail line will come right below Target Field. In fact, they started building the shelters on the platform in the past few days. We will feel very Big City when all of the rail lines (eventually) converge upon Target Field. I took the parking survey and asked for information on bicycle parking. It was mentioned at the early design stages that secured bicycled parking would be available, but I have heard nothing since. That would be ideal for me as I live five miles away in north Mpls.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 40

ahh I think I misread mike's post.. I thought I was giving directions simply for mike to come down and check the park out. like tomorrow or something. of course I know about the line being extended and the northstar - I read this blog!

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 41

Is it just me, or have all the cranes been sitting idle today? What gives? C'mon man - get this sucker done!!!!! I want stadia!

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM by CedarRapidsViking Highlight this comment 42

CRV: One word...Unions

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM by Max Highlight this comment 43

I agree that good bike parking is a must. In addition to being on the commuter train and light rail lines, TF will be on the cedar lake trail, which connects with the greenway and chain of lakes trails (actually, they all connect). Click my name for what we should have here.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 44

Maybe if we all chant it together this time it will work?

One...Two...Three...

MOVE CAMERA TWO! MOVE CAMERA TWO! MOVE CAMERA TWO!

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM by please! Highlight this comment 45

Mike,
For afternoon games, I walk from Parking ramp C to the Metrodome, and the walk usually lasts about 15-20 minutes. Often times, walking is faster then the LRT!

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM by BB Highlight this comment 46

Max:

Was it windy in the Cities today?

There are limits when cranes can't make picks. Even if the loads themselves don't seem like much. And imagine trying to control them once they're in the air. I wouldn't want to be on a tag line during a pick with 20mph winds.

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 9:50 PM by Rigger Highlight this comment 47

yeah, it was extremely windy downtown. one of those slap-you-in-the-face type winds

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 9:53 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 48

That's right Max...Damn those unions....damn them for protecting their workers in dangerous windy conditions....How dare they do such a thing! Those workers outta know that the boss always knows what's best for them. Let me guess Max, you voted for Bush...both times, right?

Posted on March 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM by Senator Franken Highlight this comment 49

I think what happened at miller park should prove example enough that a day off is better than adding a year onto construction and losing lives of the workers.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 12:08 AM by lesson learned Highlight this comment 50

23 mph winds today... no go on the cranes. in the building trades, the "big blue disaster" looms large. crane siting and wind conditions are nothing to quibble with.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 03:22 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 51

Is the commuter rail going to be running for games. I understand that it wont be except for special occasions but I could be wrong. If that were running I would ride it that would be very cool

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 04:02 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 52

That's right, Colonel Franken. Get those assholes in line. How dare they think unions could be bad for our country!? How dare they vote for their beliefs! Now take this pile of my I stole from your grandchildren and disperse it to all who will sell- er...give you your vote.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 10:53 AM by Obama the Sham Highlight this comment 53

i know the site author doesn't have the time to screen posts like in the past, but it's getting ridiculous. especially for a site that a lot of people read and mostly enjoy on a regular basis.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM by Tim Highlight this comment 54

Whoa...easy, politicons. I'm sure Rick loves having such big names and egos on his site, but lets keep it focused on the ballpark...

Can anyone verify if they are finished putting Limestone on the exterior of the stadium at this point?

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 55

Hey, can we keep this focused on the ballpark? I'm pretty certain there are a myriad of websites you can visit to spew your political views where they are appropriate and appreciated.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM by other guy Highlight this comment 56

Can we please leave politics out of this. Thanks.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 57

Anyone see the new Twins ticket promo? It's based on the close of the DOW every friday. If the DOW were to close at say 7500 the tickets for any monday game in the Home Run Porch is $7 Bucks. For the next week since it's in the 6000s you can get it for just $6 bucks, deffinently the best deal in the park. Kind of devalues my season tickets though. :(

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 58

I remember when the first concept drawings came out, a lot of people hated the design of this park. Now I think a lot of them have changed their mind. I don't think I can wait another year for this park to open... but unfortunately I have to.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM by Change Subject Highlight this comment 59

OG Jeff,
I think the big boom crane is working on the outfield exterior right now so that when finished, it can then hoist those big steel frames for the lights that will sit atop the scoreboard. At that point, the scoreboard may be so tall that the exterior work behind it would then be inexcessible by any of the cranes on site. My theory is that, when the big boom crane is finished with this job, it will head back and finish the main limestone work on the HERC side. Just a theory!

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM by CedarRapidsViking Highlight this comment 60

You're right Change Subject. I wasn't all that fond of the drawings at first. There still are some things I'd like to change (eliminating a split upper deck and a more cantilevered bowl) but this ballpark has grown on me some. I do, however, love the exterior and hope it stays graffiti free for a while. I'm sure it will be just a matter of time before either block E thugs or mary jo's kids make there way to TF to tag it.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 61

Not that the model is a blueprint, but the picture here (click name) shows limestone all the way over to the commuter rail building. If that is still the plan, there is more to install.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 12:11 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 62

special event "northstar nights" will be the only nights a train runs before and after gametime. i think eventually every thu, fri, and sat nights will be "northstar nights" but right away there will only be a few.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 63

well - then what's the point of having the thing end at Target Field? If they're only going to do a couple runs for weekend games, why are we putting the Northstar "end of the line" at Target Field to hookup with the light rail?
Wasn't that the whole point? to make an accessible ballpark?

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 64

Luke, the Northstar line was going to end here because that's where the LRT is. The LRT and the Northstar train were going to meet here whether this ballpark was built or not.

Once Northstar is up and running, I'm sure you'll see more frequent service for stadium events.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 4:50 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 65

Beta has the idea of the year folks. some of you were talking about the "big blue" crane disaster when miller park was building built.

so here is what we do over at target field. convince the builders to put up their biggest crane on the outside of the ballpark on the HERC side during an unbelievably windy day. have them hoist up an extremely heavy load right over the top of the HERC and wait for a giant gust of wind and voila! the giant crane topples over directly onto the HERC facility and the 3-4 years of waiting due to politics for that piece of crap to be torn down is taken care of before the park even opens. you're welcome!

thoughts?!

:-)

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 6:44 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 66

Eventually, I am betting that the Southwest Corridor Light Rail will come around from behind HERC and join with Hiawatha at TF. The county is also trying to get high-speed rail from Chicago, and Duluth, to stop at the Northstar station at TF.

Click my name for the presentation to the County about options for a future intermodal transit center across from TF (between the 4th and 5th Street bridges).

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 9:06 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 67

Click my name for some new pics from today. These aren't mine, but my friend said it was okay to share. Hope you all enjoy!

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 10:44 PM by Oaks Highlight this comment 68

Great pics Oaks! Tell your friend thanks!! Great zoom on that camera with some amazing shots. We can never have enough new/updated pictures of Target Field.

Posted on March 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 69

Way to go Oaks. Those pics are fantastic.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 01:31 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 70

StarTribune article about the InterModal transit station.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 07:04 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 71

I don't think the County has figured out the transit center requirements yet. It doesn't need to be in its own building, although a transit shelter next to the LRT tracks would be welcome. I think we'd be better off with a big public plaza that has storefronts for the support stuff (e.g. Northstar tickets, tourist info), sidewalk cafes everywhere, well-marked stairways to the trains.
We need an AREA dedicated to getting on/off trains/cars/bikes, not a BUILDING. The key idea is, a plaza big enough to handle 12,000 riders/day plus 50,000 baseball fans that want to catch a ride home.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 09:40 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 72

Any body catch the update from the Twins on their ballpark page yesterday? See link.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 73

Hey that's a nice little update, with pics and everything. I hope they continue to do that. Where exactly is the 'Work for the pedestrian connection to Ramp A' happening? Perhaps they meant Ramp B?

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 74

here's the miller park crane video

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 1:03 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 75

In that update Steeks mentioned, anyone know what they are referring to when talking about the main concourse and they say that the steel for the glass box retail area will begin to be erected on Friday?

It's a pretty neat summary of what has been done and what is to come in the next few weeks. Kinda makes me wonder why they haven't been doing something like that from the start. Or was that the point of DSP's page? Because we all know that he's been way ahead of things on that site.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 76

in the twins update that steeks pointed to i noticed the following under the "Enclosure" section:

"Curtainwall glass is complete at the Twins Pub and 573 Club. The precast brick panels have started on the 5th St. side of the ballpark - see Photo #6. Wood louver installation is scheduled to begin 4.16.09."

what is the twins pub and 573 club? i hoped they didn't change the name of the metropolitan club for season ticket holders to one of those names. or are those spaces (twins pub and 573 club) something different altogether?

i like the name metropolitan club. it is classy.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 4:24 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 77

I thought the 573 club was the one behind home plate. not sure about Twins Pub, but maybe in the admin building?

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 78

I heard the 573 Club (named after Killebrew's HR total) will be in left field and the Twins Pub will be at the entrance behind home plate.

Spruce Moose over at baseball-fever noticed that Famous Dave's did the catering for the construction crew when Kent Hrbek and Jack Morris toured the site. Does anyone know if Famous Dave's will have it's own restaurant at T.F.?

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 5:17 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 79

If they are doing a Famous Daves, it hasn't been announced yet. We need to find out the exact layout of the admin building.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 5:35 PM by Shane Macks Necklace Highlight this comment 80

Metropolitan Club, 573 Club and Twins Pub. I hope there as good as their names.

Posted on March 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM by Ruffle Highlight this comment 81

"Twins Pub?" I thought it was going to be the "Town Ball Tavern."

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 11:24 AM by luke Highlight this comment 82

I know the talk about Famous Daves is nothing more than gossip here, but I would rather have a Buffalo Wild Wings at the ballpark over Famous Daves. BW3 could come up with there own Target Field or Twins sauce for the wings.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 83

they're, their.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 12:53 PM by school house rock Highlight this comment 84

my vote is for Daves, for bbq its pretty damn good considering its a chain.. and the shead on the plaza at the dome gave me some mighty fine ribs last year i can stll taste them

bw3 has suck ass food.. lil wings no meat and they charge for ranch...

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 85

Are Buffalo Wild Wings new to Minnesota? I don't recall seeing one when I lived in Minneapolis over 12 years ago.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 2:53 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 86

mazarati - Dave's is pretty damn good bbq - you're right.
my favorite is the two meat combo - usually get the ribs and bbq chicken.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 87

I can't remember who said it on a previous thread. Someone said he was comfortable with relying on Mijares to fill a large void on our bullpen staff since we lost Bonser and Neshek and didn't sign Juan Cruz.

Today with a 5-0 lead going into the 7th, Mijares pithced a thrid of an inning, 3 hits, 4 runs (all earned), 2 walks. Dickey and Duensing came in after to seal the deal with a 9-5 loss. Be afraid...be VERY afraid. What a shame we have a decent starting rotation, a stud of a closer but a lousy bullpen. I know it's spring training, but I can't help but think this is what we'll be dealing with a lot this summer, especially after the fits they gave us last year.

I have my bullpen supplies ready:
Jesse Crain = Rolaids
Jose Mijares = Maalox
Craig Breslow = Tums
Matt Guerrier = Valium

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 88

Mijares is a Pork Chop. Holy shit he has to be 50 lbs heavier than last spring. Eerily reminscient of old reliever Ray King. He got roughed up real good today. No command whatsoever of the strike zone.

Waiting for the latest prognosis on Baby Jesus.....

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM by Max Highlight this comment 89

B-Dubs has been around for quite a few years now, anyway's isn't there already a Famous Daves stand or two in the Dome? If there is a prior relationship I think it would fit well, though Wings would probably be cheaper and easier to eat in your seats.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 6:23 PM by Camden Pike Highlight this comment 90

Wow I am such an idiot. Anyway's luke, yeah I thought that too, with the Legends club being the one behind home plate, anyway's they can certainly change it before open.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 91

Buffalo Wild Wings has not only been in MN, the whole company has been based here for quite some time..

BWW HQ
1600 Utica Avenue South, Suite 700
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55416
U.S.A.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 92

We have them in Phx too. Never eaten there. Do they have anything other than wings? I'm not much of a wing eater. I'll have to check them out now that so many of you like their food.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 93

Famous Daves is also based here if I'm not mistaken.

As long as there is a DQ presence - and helmet sundaes... I'll be happy.

I'd like to see a walleye sandwich (like culver's makes)

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 94

BWW is a joke here. Nobody ever wants to go there because it's expensive and not that good. On the other hand I've never had famous daves.

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 8:53 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 95

1. Sweet Marthas Cookies
2. Roasted Corn
3. Vescio's
4. Actual grilled hot dogs/brats etc.
5. Dunn Bros/Caribou Coffee Stand(s)
6. Some Decent Mexican Food

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM by Max Highlight this comment 96

Famous Daves is in-fact based in Minnetonka (current corporate headquarters), but it is a origionally a Wisconsin business (click name).

Moose

Posted on March 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 97

I'm sorry, because I'm sure this was already answered, but is the big retro Twins logo going to happen in CF?

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 12:43 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 98

moose97 - i believe you are technically correct about the hayward, wi location being famous dave's first in the chain, but to the best of my knowledge dave anderson (the founder) is from minnesota and the company has always been incorporated/run out of minnesota. could be wrong, but i think that is right.

peace....

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 02:46 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 99

Beta - You could be correct. I don't know the details/specifics of that. Either way, it's "local."

Moose

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 12:09 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 100

I love B-Dubs, eat there often. I'd be thrilled to have one in TF.

Never been to Famous Dave's, though.

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 101

i've been to the Famous Daves in Hayward. My uncle lived there for a while, and he swears by it, it is the original...

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 102

Twins Pub???

If you start saving right now you might be able to afford to get a beer there.

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM by Mac Highlight this comment 103

I keep asking my buddies when we will see $10 beers.....

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM by Max Highlight this comment 104

I agree with mazarati's assessment on bw3 -- tiny wings, too expensive, charge for sauce = a mediocre experience.

if you want REALLY good wings before or after the game wander down to Runyon's before or after the game. Wings are phenomenal and blue cheese dressing is out of this world.

Famous Dave's is pretty decent for a BBQ chain. Dino's gyros has some stands at Target Center and those are decent too.

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 105

I don't much care for buffalo wild wings either. If I'm going to overpay for food, it might as well come on a plate. ... I was in San Diego last spring and there was a front page story on PETCO's beer prices. They had gone up to ten dollars AND it was only 3.2 abv

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM by haasertime Highlight this comment 106

Overpay for food at BWW? I go there 1-2 times a week and it is NOT expensive at all, the boneless wings are awesome, and so many flavors to choose from. They also have burgers, chili dogs and a whole shitload of other menu items. My bill has never been more than $25 for a whole night of drinking and eating 8-12 boneless wings. I have been to Famous Daves a few times and was not impressed as it is a little more expensive and the burgers and food are just okay. If you want horrible wings, go to Hooters, they put a powder hot sauce on them...YUCK! I do not pretend to like horrible wings to look at mediocre breasts...

Posted on March 16, 2009 at 09:32 AM by Uncle Tom, OG Highlight this comment 107

ha, good point about Hooters (although have you been to one in Texas?)

Seriously though, who orders the burger at Famous Dave's??

Posted on March 16, 2009 at 10:31 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 108

Went to BWW yesterday to see what all the hype was about. I spent quite a bit of money on a bunch of chicken bones. For a third of the cost I could have gone to KFC and gotten 3 times the meat.

I hear everyone up there talking about Famous Dave's. We have them in AZ too and it's okay. I remember Rudolphs in Minneapolis, are they still there? They used to be great!

Posted on March 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 109

Personally, the wings at Timberlodge are the best wings I have had. Lots of meat and just the right sauce (plus they are a MN chain).

Posted on March 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM by Wing Eater Highlight this comment 110

yah, Rudolph's is still there. I live a few blocks from Franklin/Lyndale and they're still going strong.

My favorite BBQ is still Market Bar-B-Que on Nicollet. way better than Famous Daves, imo

Posted on March 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 111

Click on my name for a cool gallery of NYS pics. One year to go kids!!

Posted on March 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 112

I see #21 CHS.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM by Fran Highlight this comment 113

You win Fran! You just beat me to it.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 114

Flag pole up in left field.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM by Johnfre Highlight this comment 115

That's not a FLAG pole. That's a FOUL pole!!

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 3:10 PM by Rick 116

Oh really, Rick? If it's a FOUL pole, then how come when a ball hits it, it's a fair ball?

And no, I'm not serious.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 3:15 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 117

Anyone else surprised to see a foul pole installed already? Seems like odd timing. It will have a year of weathering on it before it's needed. Therefore, another coat of paint.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 118

did anyone else notice that they made the porches on the admin building different? on the original renderings, the model, and the computer renderings the building is squared off. In these new pics I saw the porches hang over a bit more. check it out.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 119

Steeks, They needed the crane to put up the foul poles and the left field crane is supposed to come down soon.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 3:49 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 120

a new photo gallery in sights and sounds would be nice. its been almost two months.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 121

I'm gonna check this yellow pole out on the way home today... The placement and timing seems a little fishy. I'll report back in a couple hours!

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 122

Did I really say "flag" pole? Yikes, I know better. Chalk it up to a brain fart.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 123

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a foul pole. Standing on 5th St, it's a great reminder of how close the playing field is to the street. It's really close.

The pole is up, but the "mesh" extensions on the fair side have yet to be attached.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 124

you might be right OG. i checked the webcam today and I think you're right. I would have thought the foul pole would have been one of the last cosmetic things to go in, sod installation isnt until this summer, I would have thought the foul poles went in after the sod.

But, i guess its there to determine what the actual field dimensions are going to be?

does anyone know about the TCF Stadium webcam, and how often it's actually updated? I watched a thing on the news the other night, and they were starting to install the multi-colored Maroon and Yellow seats that spell "Minnesota" on both sidelines - but I didnt see them on the webcam when I viewed it today...

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 125

bit of target field trivia for you rubes. the foul poles just put up in target field were produced by:

"le jeune steel company of minneapolis".

le jeune steel also provided the steel fabrication for the mall of america in minneapolis as well as several other big building projects around minnesota, wisconsin and illinois over the years.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 126

Does anyone know if there are still seats available for the Twins Cubs series at Wrigley this summer? Or is it sold out?

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 127

Long ago sold out Matt. Very high demand for that June series....

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 7:07 PM by Max Highlight this comment 128

Thought so, thanks.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 7:19 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 129

My buddy just picked up 4 tickets in the upper deck for us thru tickets.com. They were like 50 bucks. I've been there, but my buddies hadn't so they were willing to overypay.. . . Something seems fishy about the installation of the foul poles. I bet the construction workers want to have sandlot games there this summer.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 6:47 PM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 130

i got snappys!! clicky

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 131

More clicky

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 8:08 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 132

click, click

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 8:10 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 133

click, click

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 8:10 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 134

all that's doing is leading me to gmail, which I don't have

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 135

This ballpark construction has a strict protocol and schedule of events to follow due to the size of the site and the fact that no cranes are being used outside the park. This may be a reason why some of these things seem unusual during the construction. An example of this was completing the exterior before the interior.

Could this be the reason why the foul poles may have already been installed due to a crane scheduled to be removed soon? Also, you can't drive the truck out on the "field" once the sod is installed in August/September so that would not make sense to install the poles once the sod is laid.

I am no construction expert, but I am sure there is a reason the poles were installed when they were.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 9:10 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 136

The right field foul pole is also on site. If you look along the front edge of the right field seats, where they meet the plaza, you will see a long yellow pole laying along the front edge.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 9:15 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 137

maz- I have gmail and those pics still give me an error message

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 9:32 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 138

I'm getting the same error message too. But after I hit the "back" button I swear I saw pictures ever so briefly with "The pole!!" or something like that. Then it all disappeared.

Thanks for the tease.

Posted on March 17, 2009 at 11:11 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 139

Maz'-try posting the pics to photo hosting web site (i.e. photobucket) or to a Forum so all users can see them.

oh and we need a UPDATE please..please..please Rick!

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 01:58 AM by pf 386 Highlight this comment 140

Sorry guys I will fix that... they are of the foul poles arriving @ tf...gimme a few

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 08:16 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 141

ok try this... sorry it was st pattys day yesterday so i did not have my mind right !

Click name

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 08:25 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 142

Nice pics. Those foul poles beat the ones my dad built for our local amateur team a few years back.

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 09:03 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 143

Fyi, I did not take these pics, they were e mailed to me by a Twins rep to season ticket holders...i figured with the server being down for a few days everybody here has seen them already

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 09:27 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 144

Other small updates from my daily jog around TF (don't know if people care about this little stuff):

-Gravel and stone is being dumped at the end of the lightrail line where cars will be stacked. It's about 1/2 filled in currently

-The admin building has most of the metal framing in place which will hold the glass around it

-The brick looks to be nearly complete on the 5th st side. There is a strip of limestone in it, as previously modeled...looks classy

-They've cut planter boxes out of the cement on the south side of the plaza. Also, one of the large triangular planters is poured

-On the 7th St side there looks to be what looks like bike rack mounts installed on the sidewalk. I don't know if that's what these are - but there's about 5 of them.

-The steam pipe from the HERC is complete

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 09:40 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 145

Imagine that! A foul POLE and not a foul NET! What a Concept!
I always wonder why they couldn't install poles in the dome. Was it just laziness? Maybe they couldn't have done it in right but they could have done it in left field.

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 146

OG Jeff,

You know we care about those details. Thank you very much.

Do you live in the North Loop? I can't remember if you've already told us. Keep up the jogging!

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 147

Are those gonna be obstructed view seats in LF right next to the Administrative Building? To me, it looks like the AB sticks out and would block the view to the right near the foul pole if you were seated in the last few rows next to that wall. Let's hope this isn't the case especially after the nightmare at the New Yankee Stadium where scores upon scores of Bleachers seats are obstructed because they decided to "jet out" the enormous restaurant in straight away CF. It is so bad they added flat screen TVs on the adjacent walls of the restaurant so the people sitting in the OV seats can see what is happening.

Also, I just heard this from a source. The Twins had a Tour of Target Field on the silent auction block at Twinsfest. It included a total of 6 people ushered around by Kevin Smith. It went for $500. Is that fair? High, Low? Thoughts...

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM by Max Highlight this comment 148

I took the tour for free ...about 5 months ago....

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 149

Good one, Maz. We enjoyed it too.

Max, I wouldn't expect those seats in LF near the admin building to be obstructed. I've been wondering just how close they will really be to the AB seeing as neither webcam has a good angle on it. But given that the edge of the AB is basically along the foul line the only obstruction would be some foul territory. And since we'll have the smallest foul ground besides Wrigley there really shouldn't be anything to miss. I'm sure the plans are to make that edge/side an isle anyway (but I could be wrong) which would moving the viewing angle even more away from the building.

As for the tour, I'm surprised it went for that low. Given an auction and all the hype over TF I would have expected it to be much higher. Perhaps a sign of the times. Though I don't know that I would have paid $500 for the tour. If anything, I'd take along 10 contributing visitors from this website for $50 each and call it good....if they let me. : )

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 2:10 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 150

those seats around the Administration Building should be fine, if you believe the 3D seat viewer. - click the link

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 2:25 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 151

I was just basing my thoughts on the pictures offered up by Maz. It appears the stadia is mighty mighty close to the Administrative Building....

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 2:45 PM by Max Highlight this comment 152

#22 CHS is up

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 2:56 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 153

Nice job Erik! You know where to collect your prize on opening day 2010!

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 154

as posted by "jfh" on Baseball-Fever
"I spoke to Graff's Turf Farm and confirmed that they are indeed growing the sod for Target Field. Interesting that today sod was being loaded up for transport to Wrigley Field. The owner is in Chicago for that project, but I will call him next week to see about getting pictures of the TF sod and the trucks bound for Minneapolis. The person I spoke to wasn't sure if the Twins would have to approve and thought it best I spoke to him. I did get credit for the most unusual question she'd heard in some time though.

Some interesting information on the sod for Target Field:

- It was planted in July/August 2008 and should be harvested/transported this fall (pretty sure September). For projects with enough lead time, it's apparently best for the grass to grow for 16-24 months before harvesting.

- Given the distance, it will be transported in special refrigerated trucks. Unclear if Graff's will do the install or the Twins/contractor. (They did do the install for Coors Field and Wrigley).

- The project is approximately 110 thousand square feet (about 3 acres). The grass will most likely be cut/transported in standard stadium rolls, each 4 feet wide by 125 feet long.

- the grass is a derivative of a 4 seed Kentucky Bluegrass blend that they have used for other ballparks. Additional customization/blending was done based on Minnesota climate requirements.

We had a discussion as to why the Twins (or anyone else) would want their sod grown so far away. It pretty much comes down to soil and sand. For drainage, the rounder the base for the sand in the soil, the better. It's all pretty technical, but apparently FSN filmed some footage last year for a story on just that question - why would the Twins have the sod grown in Colorado? Be interesting to find a copy of whatever story that was a part of.

We also talked about the lifespan of the grass - a number of fields replace their sod every 6-7 years, but that's more a function of what the team/owner wants to do, rather than a need because of lifespan. The Rockies have a forward looking plan and actually have a budget in place to replace the entire sod on a periodic basis."

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 9:55 PM by pf386 Highlight this comment 155

Thanks for the pics Maz!

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 10:26 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 156

A few summers ago I helped a friend sod his yard. The last words from the sod farmer as we drove away were, "Green side up."

(Thanks for the post, pf386.)

Posted on March 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM by Rick 157

7:45 am image on webcam today is first with RF foul pole up! Do I win something?

Moose

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 08:57 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 158

Does it seem strangely early to put up the foul poles? I would have thought those would be some of the last things to be installed. Certainly not put in before the seating bowl is finished. Feels more like a finishing touch than something that gets put in over a year before the stadium opens.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 09:04 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 159

The e mail I got from the Twins rep seems kinda like it was a marketing ploy.. to get folks excited, of course it ended with "tell all ur friend and busness partners looking for season tickets to call me"

im sure it has to do with the reasons already mentioned on this thread, like get it in b4 the sod is laid and that the cranes are coming down soon...

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 09:25 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 160

Long time reader of this site. I know everyone has hashed over the smell or lack of smell from HERC. To be honest I'm more concerned about the steam coming out of those stacks! I walked by today, a day with a temp outside in which there could be several games, and the steam is hanging right over the field and is even going through the upper deck. Has anyone heard if the county will control the Steam distribution during games on colder day? I realize its a non-issue in the summer, but for spring and fall it too me is a huge issue! Who wants to sit in a cloud of steam, and I'm not exagerating when I say a ball could get lost in the steam, its that low at times.

BTW - the foul pole look really sweet, and they are putting up the Right field one this morning.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 09:27 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 161

Can we geta "All too damn frequently asked questions about steam, smells, roofs, and tailgating" thread stickied to the top of the page?

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 09:36 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 162

Steam is going to be regulated on game days. The county and Twins have confirmed this.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 09:41 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 163

I'm a long time reader of this site too and I've never seen that particular issue discussed, so maybe you don't need to be quite so judgmental.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 09:58 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 164

Rick your website and insight is Great, your a true baseball Man!

Sorry I don't post more, but I'm afraid everytime I do, I'll be jumped on by all the typical (Minnesota nice to your face), but in reality, passive agressive A-holes who post to this site.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 10:17 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 165

I support you, Jon! I'm also a long time reader, but seldom poster. I don't think any TF questions should be shot down. That being said, most of the people on here seem pretty nice, and have good things to say. There are only a few A-holes.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 166

It's a fair question about the steam.

Those who were not around when the HERC plant first opened will not remember the great controversy caused by the steam. It was a more-or-less constant, gigantic cloud, which quickly became the largest part of the skyline (especially when viewed from the north on I-94) at all hours of the day and night.

That led to a public outcry, which was followed by strict rules (I believe they were self-imposed) about when the steam could be released. It was limited to certain hours overnight and in the morning. (What they do with it in the meantime is a mystery to me. Maybe someone here knows.)

I haven't checked this recently, but I'm pretty sure that they already are avoiding what would be game times because of these rules (which have nothing to do with baseball, specifically).

Since the ballpark is a county project, and the HERC is a county plant, coordinating this is no big deal. I'll check to see whether something formal is in place, but I know that it's a settled issue.

Now and then I think about adding a FAQ page, but the list of issues is pretty long...

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 10:45 AM by Rick 167

While most of the recent ballpark developments/progress has focused on the physical structure making strides towards completion, I am interested in what the fan experience will be like at Target Field (UPDATES).

Concessions
Parking
Ballpark Tours
Promotions

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM by Max Highlight this comment 168

BTW: Rick fantastic job with the site. I hope you are swimming in Benjamins because of it....

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM by Max Highlight this comment 169

I almost forgot: All posters and questions are welcome.

The readership of this site continues to grow pretty substantially, and will probably do so from now until opening day. So there will be plenty of new people joining the discussion. (I guess I'm kind of talking myself into writing a FAQ page.)

My bigger question is, are there any women out there? (I'm pretty sure I see them at the Twins games...)

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM by Rick 170

Ok look we've talked about the HERC and it's operation not being done during gametime countless times. Seriously it's been gone over and over. So a FAQ about the things that get brought up again and again might be kind of nice.

Or maybe we should just petition to have a roof put on it so we won't have to worry about steam. I think they poured the footings for a roof already right?

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 171

I would love to give updates on fan experiences at the ballpark, but my employer shot me down from joining their focus group. Target.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 172

Rick (or anyone else),

Do we have any specific info on when the seat installation will begin? The timeline at the Twins site says "Spring 2009", but I can't wait to see those seats start going in...

Maybe some kind of a Seat Install contest is in order...Locker?

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM by kumbaya Highlight this comment 173

Jon & Tim,

Just do what i do ...have fun with it! so i just keep bring up my love for tailgating... i love it... im going to us cellular on 4/11 and i am tailgating, I am going to st loius and then continuing on to kc and will tailgate the whole time! parking @ the cell is 24 bucks you better have fun in that spendy spot...I will also tailgate for the home opener, even if i am the only one!!! i love it !

now asking about steem and asking if a roof will be on this joint i have to say are apples to oranges...we all have to rememebr everybody does not check this site 15 times a day like I do so i think I am ok with some things being asked over and over....EXCEPT FOR THE ROOF!!!!!

have fun guys opening day is in 18 days!

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 174

Tailgating is bomb.

Roofs are gay.

The HERC is also gay.

March Madness is bomb.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 175

Roofs are gay?

Are they into other roofs or just a little too flamboyant?

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 176

"Or maybe we should just petition to have a roof put on it so we won't have to worry about steam. I think they poured the footings for a roof already right?"

Just take him out and shoot him. :-)

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM by Dave T Highlight this comment 177

FAQ page would be awesome, especially for readers joining in on the conversation who have questions.

Another thing I forgot to mention seen on my jog - on the 7th Street bridge, a bunch of steel support beams have been placed near the sidewalk right next to the park exterior. You can roughly make them out on the webcam. I don't know what these are for, since the exterior is completely finished. They didn't seem to line up well for a skyway from the parking ramp. Anyone have any guesses?

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 178

Kumbaya,

I would guess that the seats will start gettting installed in about 3-4 weeks. It sounds like the stadia on the first base side is almost ready for them to begin the process, so it should be soon.

Again, that's just a guess based on where they're at with the stadia, and this is about the same time last year that seats were installed at NYS and Citi Field. I hope it's sooner than a month, all that grey stadia is getting kind of depressing. Can't wait to see how the wooden seats look.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 179

OG Jeff- skyway would be my guess, but if they're not in the right spot I have no idea.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 180

That steel on 7th is for the crossing between the park and ramp A.

It's not technically a skyway because it will not be fully enclosed.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM by Rick 181

If anyone's interested, here's a link (PDF) to a TCF Stadium construction update.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 4:13 PM by Andy Highlight this comment 182

And also here are a few photos.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM by Andy Highlight this comment 183

Lafferty, I hope you're right. I looked at the webcam today, it's amazing how much they can get done when there isn't a foot of snow on the ground, or below-zero temps on the thermometer. They've really gotten the stadia done fast...

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 6:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 184

the main post for #23 is up. Does it have to be completed to get credit? Does anyone know what the cement notch next to the right field foul pole is? you can see it on camera 2. I originally thought that it was for the foul pole to go into but they put the foul pole next to it.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 7:14 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 185

Eric, that's a good question. That notch is exactly where I thought the RF pole was going, considering the LF pole is sitting in something similar.

Also, anyone else notice if that's a bunch of dirt next to the team store to level out the plaza. Remember they did it to the plaza last summer near the bleachers and I think I remember hearing it was going to be done again over by the Kilibrew (?) gate or something like that. And what about all that scaffolding? Will it be coming down soon or "moving" with the rest of the canopy or staying put until the canopy is done? Good stuff. I love watching all this stuff happen. OG Jeff, I love hearing about all that "other stuff" that I can't see from Alaska.

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 8:36 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 186

Alaska? It's hard enough being a Twins fan in Colorado!

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 10:16 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 187

I'll be in Alaska this summer! Go Pilots!

Posted on March 19, 2009 at 11:29 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 188

Maybe the notch is a place for a camera? Don't know why they'd put one there, but maybe.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 12:07 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 189

Instant replays????? i dont know

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 08:10 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 190

there is also a notch on the lf corner in the blechers (aka Mazaratiland) you can see it in the 3D seat viewer

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 08:30 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 191

they're stacking the light bars they assembled on top of the scoreboard right now. the scoreboard and light rack really protrude from the ballpark -- they look a little out of scale when viewing the ballpark from the surrounding neighborhood. that big screen will be nice from the inside of the park though I must admit.

Oh, and new thread please.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 09:25 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 192

Those light bars do look like they are going to be way above anything else in the park. Good to see them go up though. Now the limestone installation can be finished and the second webcam will have something interesting on it again.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 12:03 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 193

Why do so many people complain about a new thread, he'll get to it when he gets to it.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 12:31 PM by y Highlight this comment 194

it was a simple request and not a complaint. A complaint would be "I can't believe that someone is so stupid they wouldn't understand why threads that aren't 437 posts long are more convenient".

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 195

It's called a little comments tab in the top right corner, try clicking it sometime.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 1:54 PM by y Highlight this comment 196

Seriously y, you might be a bigger complainer with your useless (and nameless) posts. BACK TO THE STADIUM!

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM by BigEd Highlight this comment 197

BigEd, have never seen you... must be mplsgreg.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM by LittleEd Highlight this comment 198

Big E D isn't that contradicktory?

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 3:01 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 199

i added 2 pics i took from today of the brick and the lighting on top of the scoreboard

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 200

You rock Erik.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 201

Seeing those pics Erik, I starting thinking, will it be possible to hit a ball out of TF?? I know I probably couldn't hit a ball to the LF'er.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 202

Honestly....i don't know if anyone will be able to hit one completely out to left field...the bleachers look to be too high to me .. but then again, i have been wrong before. Of course, batters like Morneau will be able to go out to right

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 203

Have they completely done away with the little decorative roof thingy over the stairs from the plaza to the trapezoid bleachers? Click my name.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 3:34 PM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 204

It's way to early to tell Abe. I doubt it.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 205

Nice pics Erik, I like the strip of limestone in the brick.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 206

I think hitting one "out of the park" would depend on when the "park" ends. It would be easy to hit one to the plaza in right, but not so easy to hit it past the plaza.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM by Robert Highlight this comment 207

I'm pretty sure it is almost impossible to hit one out over the left field stands.

I remember hearing a while back, that the last row in LF at Target Field, is equivalent to the first row upper deck LF at the dome, and no one has ever hit it in the upper deck LF at the dome.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 5:28 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 208

i was down at the site for about an hour today and took a bunch of pictures so enjoy.

this is the first time i've used flickr so let me know if the link doesn't work.

-ac

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 6:58 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 209

This may be a stupid question, but how far are the people sitting in the right field overhang going to have to walk to get to concessions/bathrooms? Are there plans for stuff under the right center trapezoid?

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 6:58 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 210

that's not a dumb question which i don't believe has come up in the last year.

i would assume there would be something out in that area; there's plenty of room and with how many restrooms are said to be in the stadium, chances are they will be in that area.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 211

I would try looking at Rick's archives. All of the floor plans for each level were posted at one time, so it would be interesting to go back and see if anything was planned for the field level out in the right-center field area.

Posted on March 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 212

Very nice pics ac

Thanks!

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 01:10 AM by Matt Highlight this comment 213

awesome pics Annoying Customer

Hay, Rick do you (or someone) have any renderings or plans for hte new skywalk form the "A" ramp? Also will the LRT station open late this year to co-inside with the start of NorthStar service?

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 02:35 AM by pf 386 Highlight this comment 214

^^ sorry for the typos ^^

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 02:41 AM by pf 386 Highlight this comment 215

Good pics AC.

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 11:45 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 216

Agreed with pf386. I feel totally in the dark about this skywalk thing. No one seems to know where it will connect on either end.

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 12:12 PM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 217

OG Jeff,

Why doesn't Black Sheep Pizza open til 4:30???

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM by Max Highlight this comment 218

Since it was such a nice day out, my buddy and I headed to the site to take some pics. Sorry about the quality of some of them, the camera I was using is kind of outdated. A lot of it you've seen already (thanks to AC's and Erik's awesome pics), but I tried to cover as much as I could. Hope everyone enjoys them.

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM by Oaks Highlight this comment 219

To all of you who posted pics, Thanks!

Posted on March 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 220

wow oaks! you took a ton of pictures. THANK YOU for posting them!

Posted on March 22, 2009 at 12:30 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 221

So, pic 85 of Oaks' post. Has vandalism struck already?

Posted on March 22, 2009 at 04:05 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 222

It's amazing how legible the tagging is in Minneapolis. Quite a testament to the MN school system - even the thugs in MN are better than your average thug.

Posted on March 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 223

I think they should move camera 2, and add camera 3 on top of the elevator core in the admin building. Once camera pointing to the outfield construction, and another to the west.

I also noticed large window section that face 7th Street are repeated facing HERC. You can stand inside and watch the garbage trucks!

Posted on March 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 224

in just 13 days - it will be exactly one year until opening day at TF. woohooo!

Posted on March 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 225

actually, that tagging on the bridge in pic 85 has been there for a really long time. think i first saw it back when they were still just in the excavating stage at the site.

Posted on March 22, 2009 at 6:34 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 226

Thugs dont tag, or spray paint.. that shoot people and sell dope, i will take spray painting anyday on or around the ballpark.. that can and should be corrected after the night it is done

Posted on March 22, 2009 at 7:17 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 227

They have begun to pour concrete on the plaza extension to First Avenue. I am still curious how that is going to look.

Posted on March 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 228

A very interesting reveal is taking place right now for those of you still wondering where to buy season tickets...the rain is allowing us to see exactly how much of each level will be protected by the elements. If you zoom in on camera 2, you will see a distinct line between wet and dry along the 1st base stands, signifying both where the canapy ends and the overhangs of each deck reach.

In case you're bored, this is a fun little case study.

Posted on March 23, 2009 at 2:37 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 229

JohnK, I was thinking the exact same thing. I was noticing the "line" over in Maz's bleacher section in LF.

BTW, get ready for this rain to turn into snow. We just got about 2-3 inches on Sat/Sun.

Posted on March 23, 2009 at 3:26 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 230

Yeah i am really hoping i can get season tickets in the 1st row of those blechers so i can get sun and rain...i only have 1 year of priority but i cant think that those will get gobbled up too quick...all the stadia is complete in the LF! thats a sign

Posted on March 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 231

I'll bet the 1st row in every section will be gone long before those with 1-2 years priority get a chance to pick.

Posted on March 23, 2009 at 9:30 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 232

Yes people are undoubtedly not going to be happy with the relocation process. This is the ultimate WHITE ELEPHANT in the room with the Twins. Wanna make St. Peter stamor and stumble around? Ask a very specific relocation related question.

Case in Point: Many people/corporations simply refuse to pay the $275/$225/$175 a seat. They will be moved to the $69 seats and thus push more people either further back in the section or further out towards the outfield. Now this isn't too say there will be bad seats at Target Field. There will just be some seats/locations that are better than others.

If anyone wants to read about relocation nightmares head over to Baseball Fever and read the New Yankee Stadium relocation threads. Warning: If you are a current Twins ST holder you might not sleep so well tonite...

Posted on March 23, 2009 at 10:06 PM by Max Highlight this comment 233

I am glad you brought this up Max because this is definitely going to be an issue as the seat relocation begins in May.

The Twins have been preaching "Get season tickets now and establish your new ballpark PRIORITY" ever since the bill was passed in May 2006.

I am a Flex 40 holder and this is the 2nd year in a row I have not been able to get home opener tickets. The early redemption was held on Saturday Feb 28 and Sunday March 1. The phones were busy all day Saturday and I finally got through on Saturday afternoon and they told me all lower reserved seating is sold out for the home opener. They told me to try again when they went on sale to the public the following Saturday (March 7). I tried again than and it was impossible to get tickets. I am thinking to myself this defeats the whole purpose of buying a flex season ticket package if you can't even get the games you want BEFORE they go on sale to the general public. It's just a big joke the way the Twins ticketing system works. You can go online a week before the game and there will be better seats than what you were offered in March. Luckily, I have a friend who I bought two lower reserved seats from for the Opener. I just have to question where all of these good seats go so quickly? Does stubhub get their pick of tickets before the season ticket holders and the general public? You sure never have problems finding good seats on stubhub.

Luckily, the Flex 40 is being scrapped after this season and all season ticket packages will be assigned games. While losing the flexibility will be a drawback, at least there will be more consistency in the game selections beginning next year.

It's still going to be impossible to get opening series tickets next year unless you are an 81 game ticket holder. As Max also stated, things are going to turn ugly as this seat relocation selection begins in May. Many fans are going to feel like they are getting the short end of things.

Posted on March 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM by Tom - Hopkins Highlight this comment 234

I don't think the Twins relocation process is going to be anywhere near the mess it was for Yankees or Mets fans, primarily because the demand isn't going to be anywhere near the same.

I really don't think the corporations are going to be moved to the dugout box seats. Most will already have Legends Club seats. However, I suspect the dugout box seats will be snapped up by those with 10+ years priority. I bought Club seats just because I didn't want to risk not ending up with good seats on the lower level.

As for Flex 40 - couple of things. First, it's a great program that a lot of other clubs should consider. It's being scrapped simply because there won't be the available inventory in the new park, at least for a few years. For this year, there isn't a lot of availability for LR Flex 40 because there was a significant increase in full and partial season ticket packages. There was plenty of availability for UC Flex for the early redemption.

As for the Twins ticketing system and better seats being available online a week before the game, in my experience it's not uncommon for teams to hold back better seats for last-minute season ticket package sales, additional tickets for season ticket holders, MLB and others and then release them 2-7 days before the game.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 12:22 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 235

Looks like #23 CHS is up!

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 08:03 AM by kumbaya Highlight this comment 236

oh well if i dont get the first 5 rows of LF blechers I will have to sit in home run porch or somthing else, I am not willing to sit under a over hang with no sunlight after spending my life in the dome

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 08:21 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 237

Has anybody heard how many Twins television broadcasts will be in High Def this season? I got an email this morning from the Cincinnati Reds saying that they will be broadcasting "more than half" of their games in HD. Aren't we to the point where HD should be the norm rather than the exception? There really is a noticeable difference as much in the size of the picture as in the clarity. Any info on the Twins plans or opinions on this?

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 09:10 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 238

good question Badj, if you have a HD tv then non hd channels look like crap.. i would like to know the answer to this too...

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 09:26 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 239

Thanks for the information jfh. I did not realize there was such a demand for LR season tickets this year. That make sense. It was still frustrating though not being able to get tickets for the opener during the early redemption weekend.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 10:26 AM by Tom - Hopkins Highlight this comment 240

Nice sighting by Kum! The 23rd canopy horizontal support (CHS) has been put in place this morning. For those new to this website, we (at least a few of us) have a competition going to see who can spot the next CHS. I have figured that a total of 30 will be installed, so we will only have seven more winners. For an added incentive to participate in this ridiculusly contrived contest by a ballpark freak (ME), Maz and Rick, along with a guest appearance by kev in az (not yet confirmed?? kev?) will meet with all the winners at the Old Met flagpole on First Ave (entrance to the plaze ramp) before the first game at Target Field, Opening Day 2010 to reminise about how fun it was to follow every step of the construction process for the last 3+ years. I'll be there as well! Good Luck spotting #24 CHS.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 241

Its a joke that every game isn't in HD.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 11:20 AM by Matt Highlight this comment 242

there's been a lot of discussion about the hd broadcasts for many months now. it looks like after june, all home games will be in hd and many away games.

click my name for a link to a forum discussing the topic.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 11:39 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 243

HD is all about pinching pennies (and we know how good Jim Pohlad/St. Peter are at that). Wish we knew the #s on how many households now have HD-ready TVs. If I am not mistaken even the lowly KC Royals broadcast all 162 in HD. I should highlight "all 162" as the Twins conveniently skip a few Thursday afternoon 12:10 games at the Dome and an occasional Saturday night game. Pretty pathetic that all 162 can't be shown on TV. Even if some had to be viewed through the Saran Wrap on Ch. 45....

Every single game better be on TV and in HD in 2010. No exceptions, home, road, etc.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM by Max Highlight this comment 244

Here's a startrib link to the artists chosen for public artwork around Target Field.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 245

Websites for the artists chosen for the public art:

http://www.artdavidii.com

http://www.alpricestudio.com/

I like the mosaic murals from Craig David's website. I imagine that particular medium would look good mixed with baseball players.

Posted on March 24, 2009 at 6:51 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 246

As we're waiting for a new thread, how about an updated discussion about food vendors? Some of us made some lists a while back about who we'd like to see in the ballpark. Mine has changed somewhat. Here's my updated list, in no particular order.

Kramarczuk's
Cap's (fabulous brisket)
Matt's Bar (THE Jucy Lucy)
Mai Village (fantastic Vietnamese)
Broadway Pizza (a North Minneapolis staple)
Pineda Tacos (way better than Chipotle)
Golden Thyme coffee (try the Muddy Waters!)

I think the ballpark ought to represent the diversity we have in our region. What's a signature Somali restaurant in the Cities?

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 09:58 AM by David Highlight this comment 247

How about a Dino's? They always have stands at the fair, ect. Also, I know we don't want dome dogs, but the same Hormel Dogs, perhaps under a different name, would be great. Maybe grilled? Hormel is a MN company.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 11:58 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 248

if somali food was popular enough to warrant having it in the ballpark, shouldn't you know a good somali restaurant?

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 12:00 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 249

David,

I might have missed the earlier discussion on food vendors on this site so I appologize if I retread any old ground, but I think the key word is "vendor", not "restraunteur". You've got a great list of excellent restaurants/small shops, but I find it hard to picture something like a Kramarczuk's (made-from-scratch pastries) or Golden Thyme coffee (nothin' says Twins baseball like a cup o' coff...wait...what??) in TF.

Plus, as good as the Cap's BBQ or the Jucy Lucy are, I don't want to see places like that at TF. Aside from the obvious question of cost effectiveness and the nature of traditional ballpark fair, somehow it just wouldn't be the same...way too mass produced and seriously lacking the kind of neighborhood character that make those places timeless classics.

Oh, and mplsgreg, you're right on the money.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 250

I definitely agree that the Jucy Lucy needs to stay in Matt's, and Matt's needs to stay on Cedar. It would be a shame to see such a great place go "chain." Their are already enough bastardizations of that burger in other restaurants. The original is still the best!

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 12:57 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 251

MT has a good point about vendors vs. restaurants. Obviously I would not want quality to suffer.

I should think Kramaczuk's could do sausages quite well at TF. I'm not as sure about the others, though BBQ is fairly easy to mass produce.

Dino's is very overrated IMHO. Falafel King would be a better choice. There's probably something even better than that, though.

And mplsgreg, just because *I* haven't yet been to a Somali restaurant doesn't mean it's not good stuff. It was years before I went to an Ethiopian place and when I did, I wondered why I hadn't gone earlier.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 1:00 PM by David Highlight this comment 252

don't get me wrong, i have had ethiopian food and somali food before and really enjoyed it (at least going down). any food choices HAVE to market well to a ballpark crowd -- la belle vie is a great restaurant but I'm not sure we're going to get them doing wine flights and walking down the aisles "croquettes HHHHEEERE, git your pipin' hot croooquettes with tarrrragon aioli!"

think burgers, dogs, pizza, etc. DT and Margie Thatcher have good points that you can ruin a fantastic local tradition by overcommercializing it...

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 253

Yeah, lets not over think this. Dogs, burgers, popcorn, nachos, beer, pop, and a cheap seat. And some young co-eds.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 1:28 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 254

Well, let's not under think it either. Dome dogs -- yukk. Dome popcorn -- yukk. Nachos with melted velveeta -- yukk. Some of us would like to see some real food available at the ballpark.

My all-time favorite venue for sports food was the original Mariucci arena. Real ice cream cones, scooped out of a five-gallon carton. Real buttered popcorn. Good times.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 1:49 PM by Dave T Highlight this comment 255

Bottomline is that the concessions at the Dome are beyond terrible. Things had better be dramatically better at Target Field. The Twins got to hand pick their concession operator (Delaware North).

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Max Highlight this comment 256

Ballparkauthority.com has new March construction pics. A warning though, my computer either freezes or automatically shuts down when I open the link to the images. If you want to take the risk click my name for the link.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 2:33 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 257

Ballparkauthority.com has updated and added construction reports for the months of February and March. Click my name for the link.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 2:47 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 258

No matter what food is offered at TF it will be overpriced and underqualitied. I will eat on the way to the ballpark or bring Subway in. Same with food at a movie theater -- why would anyone buy that crap?

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 259

I think fans who are expecting hot dogs, nachos and beer to be all you can get at TF haven't been to a newer ballpark.

I like the idea of regional favorites Kramarczuk's to me is a no-brainer, gotta have. I know the Twins have a cozy deal with Budweiser... but Summit, Surly and Schell's need to be available.

I don't think they'll be bringing in a bunch of outside restaurants to do the food though... that's not Delaware's M.O.

We will see a TON of new food options... and frankly, even though I tend not to eat or drink at games... I'm excited. I think what we'll see are food options inspired by area restaurants, not provided by them.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 3:55 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 260

CJ is right on the money. I went to a game at PETCO (Fall '07) and was baffled that I couldn't get a brat. But I had my choice of fru-fru stuff like a chicken chipotle salad and crap. They had full up wine carts. Picture a Dip 'n Dots cart, then make it wine. How contrary to a baseball game is that? One thing I'd like to see is mini-donuts (like at the State Fair). LOOOOOVE the mini-donuts!!! [If they already do that, then good.]

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 261

Perhaps we should make one of these a Target Field staple: Click my name for the link

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 262

luke ,

i just read that story @the strib and it is crazy... the "cell" has a 2 foot 2x hotdog this year! and wrigley has a a 2 foot roast beef samwitch i belive... its becoming like the state fair.. nobody cares about price or health factors its like being on vacation! and i am one of them

i want coney islands! my spot is the gopher bar in st paul on 7th st... thats my shit

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 263

that roast beef samwitch has my tummy roaring and my mouth watering...sounds like some good stuff...

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 7:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 264

Gotta agree with Steeks and Badjuggler, don't need to over think it, I'll never buy this overpriced food... ok maybe one time, probably our signature food item.

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 265

chuck... if they have mini-donuts, corn dogs and cheese curds... *drools* mmmmmm.... new ballpark.... *drools /homer

Posted on March 25, 2009 at 10:59 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 266

Oh god, cheese curds combined with outdoor Twins baseball. That would be heaven on earth.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 07:43 AM by OrlandoJoe Highlight this comment 267

can you even eat healthy when at a sporting event or are you like me, enjoy yourself and not care? i just want more variety (papa johns and famous daves don't really count in my book)

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 268

#24 is on the crane. (Kind of a slow day at work for me today.)

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 10:14 AM by Andy Highlight this comment 269

CHS #24!

Moose

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 270

I'll take a QUALITY beer (not 3.2 bud) and peanuts any day.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 271

I thought I was gonna get #24. I was all excited when I was typing in the twinsballpark2010 url and then I get here and my dreams were shattered.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 272

What? Already!...I was not expecting #24 so quickly. Congrats Moose with the nice assist from Andy.
I was down at the site on Tuesday and could not believe all the hustle and bustle going on...literally every part of the stadium was being worked on by someone as a circled the site a couple times in the vehicle. The ramp from First Ave to the plaze is also coming along nicely. I was a little surprise at how narrow it will be at First Ave. It looks like it will almost be attached to the side of Target Center all the way until it reaches the plaza connection. Sorry I didn't take any pics. Hopefully Rick can incorporate the ramp progress with a few pics in a new thread soon. Again, Nice Job Moose!

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 273

Yes, they definately need cheese curds at the new stadium. I can't wait to have a tall Summit EPA with a big thing of cheese curds while watching the game outside. MMMmmmmmmmm....

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM by Robert Highlight this comment 274

I noticed yesterday they started attaching the limestone to the bottom of the admin building (inside). they're almost done with that already

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 275

Do we know when they'll install the wooden things covering the circulation ramps?

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 12:33 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 276

Lots of discussion regarding the food options at Target Field. What I want to see is plenty of carts out on the Plaza before the game serving grilled food items ala Yawkey Way at Fenway Park. The sweet smells wafting through the humid summer air. Throw in a few cold bevies and it is heaven on earth. I look forward to hearing what the food/beverage options will be before the game. Definitely would be nice to have lots of choices as you hang out in the beauiful MN summer before/after the games.

BTW: Those hoping for simplicity in the concessions are pissing up the wrong tree. There will be lots of choices as there are at any new ballpark. If you've been to SafeCo, AT&T, Petco, Busch, Miller, etc. there is a nice mix of lots of choices with the traditional ballpark staples (hot dogs, popcorn, peanuts, beer).

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 12:48 PM by Max Highlight this comment 277

i think they start installing the wood exteriors on the circulation ramps next month.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM by tim Highlight this comment 278

YEs!! Limestone i see it!...Mazarativille is coming along quite fast!

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 279

mazaratirick - You have great seats. How do i know? I stood in them yesterday!! My identity and review coming soon...

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 2:04 PM by The ballpark ninja Highlight this comment 280

Hurry up Ninja!!!!!!!!

Rick: When do you think we'll start to hear/get updates on the interior of the ballpark as far as design, etc.?

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 2:24 PM by Max Highlight this comment 281

ooh, nice. ninjas are badass

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 2:25 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 282

Hey guys, I came up with a concept that offers up food from visiting teams called the Northstar Commuter Grill(though to be honest it may end up something like the Depot or the Train Cafe). Click on my name to see the items I came up with.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 3:11 PM by Pikachu732001 Highlight this comment 283

Just read this story (click m name) about KC adding a frozen custard stand/restaurant in renovated Kauffman, and wondered what folks thoughts were (since someone mentoned ice cream) on a custard only Culvers booth at Target Field (we certainly don't need their butter-burgers at the park)?

I know it's a Wisconsin based (started in Sauk City, WI - half way between Madison and the Dells) business, but they certainly have become more "Midwest" known than just WI (there are plenty in the TC area), and they are already a Twins sponsor.

Moose

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 3:26 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 284

ninja!! tell me more!!!!!

Kaufman is haveing a free open house for everyone on 4/5 ,, they sent me a e mail per i bought tickets from thir website the last few years...they just seem like a classy orig.. do you think there will be a free open house @ target field??? i doubt it... they have a dollar menu on friday nights at kaufman.. buck hot dogs and pops...i might go down there for some bbq and the open house...

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 285

The crane used to lift the limestone panels moved back to the corner. Cam 2 shows some supports in place on the HERC side. I hope we get to see limestone on Cam 2 soon.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 286

Only 5 more canopy supports to go....

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 6:48 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 287

Dollar menus at Target Field? Could happen. Article from ballparkdigest.com about Sportservice creating budget-minded concessions in Milwaukee and Cincinnati.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM by Pikachu732001 Highlight this comment 288

Moose... it'd be interesting given the clubs relationship with DQ... personally I'd like to think there is room for both... but the companies won't see it that way for sure.

that said... culvers is awesome.

Posted on March 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 289

Value menu's are the greatest thing ever. That's a nice find, Pikachu. It won't be high quality food, but good for the kids.

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 09:45 AM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 290

I need some help here, my girlfreind and I are going to chicago 2 weeks from today for the twins game, im only going to the sat game and then want to hit some good spots for food , beer and sight seeing.. i plan on going to wriglyville too but the cubs will be out of town..

I need suggestions on were to get the best slice of pizza in town .. im staying basiclly a block off michican ave downtown..

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 10:12 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 291

Maz: I will probably be there for a game or two of that Twins/White Sox series as well. I have tickets for the Cubs home opener on the 13th. What is your email addres and I'll send you all the best spots?

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM by Max Highlight this comment 292

I am kinda partial to Gino's East. Go to the original one on Superior just off Michigan Avenue. Used to like Pizzeria Uno/Due until they went national and now seem a bit watered down.

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 293

second vote for Gino's East. and make sure you hit up the Weiner's Circle at 4 AM if you have never been.

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 294

What's that in the shadows!? Could it be a new post coming?

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM by The ballpark ninja Highlight this comment 295

Gino's and Uno's are both good, but I'd go to Lou Malnati's (click my name for locations, etc.).

Moose

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 296

Maz,

Gino's is pretty good, but for some reason the old location on Superior was better than the new one so I don't go there anymore. My favorite deep dish is Lou Malnati's. There's one south of Wrigley on Sheffield and Lincoln. Since you're staying downtown, I assume you're going to red-line it to Wrigley. If so, get off at the Fullerton stop, walk west to Sheffield and then north on Sheffield until you reach Lincoln - You're there. Wrigley Field is just a short walk north of the restaurant. Click on my name for more info.

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 297

Ballparkauthority has a new video on Target Field. The video contains pictures with commentary from Dan Kennedy about different parts of the ballpark. Click my name for the link.

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 298

Great link, Jeff. The scale of the place is really starting to present itself with the stadia installation. It will be great to have such an intimate venue after the cavernous Dome. And Mazaratirick, don't park your car at the cell. This may already be common knowledge, but it's like 20 bucks. Aside from the high prices (the cheap seats are around 15 dollars) it's a pretty nice ballpark. Just don't let the drunken Sox fans intimidate you!

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 299

I see limestone on camera 2!

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 2:11 PM by Waiting for ninja Highlight this comment 300

yea tim its up to 24 bucks now to park at the cell, and we are just gonna take the El, but thats a deal comapred to parking at my hotel is 48.00 a day...i wish i could find a better option for that but i cant...lou malnatis it is!

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 2:13 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 301

Thanks everyone!!

Max my email is of course: mazaratirick@gmail.com

Kev is there a city that you have NOT been to? you are a walking Tom Tom to go! thanks, i think its genos or/ Malnatis.. i have heard of both of them so sweet!

Max I will be at the sat 3:05 game 1st base line row 20 lets have a beer!

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 302

The Twins posted some new videos on twinsbaseball.com. The videos are from Twins season ticket holders that were given the opportunity to tour Target Field as it was being built. On the videos the share their impressions. Click my name for the link.

Posted on March 27, 2009 at 3:22 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 303

mazarati,

if you want the true taste of a city, try to meet up with some people from:

http://www.couchsurfing.com

i 'surfed' in europe, central america and the states and have never had a bad experience. i have hosted people, and its a great way to show travelers some of the best kept secrets of your hometown.

i like to travel on a budget, and this is by far the best way to do it. best of luck.

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM by tour de fargo Highlight this comment 304

mazarati,

if you want the true taste of a city, try to meet up with some people from:

http://www.couchsurfing.com

i 'surfed' in europe, central america and the states and have never had a bad experience. i have hosted people, and its a great way to show travelers some of the best kept secrets of your hometown.

i like to travel on a budget, and this is by far the best way to do it. best of luck.

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 2:40 PM by tour de fargo Highlight this comment 305

I finally got down to the ballpark today after living vicariously through everyone else's photos for so long.

Click my name to see the photos I took. Not a lot of new stuff, but I did take some shots of the interior limestone on the admin. building and also the first ribbon boards going up in center field. One other shot that I took and can't recall seeing anywhere else is a mock-up of the knot-hole walls.

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 7:20 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 306

Awesome pics Steve! They really help give some perspective as to whats been going on. The limestone on the admin building looks great.

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 307

One crane gone, and then there were 3...

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 10:56 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 308

steve - those are nice pix...this pic here: http://s675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/sslings/?action=view¤t=DSC_2676.jpg
do my eyes deceive me or is that the beginning of installation of ribbon boards and/or an auxillary scoreboard???

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM by luke Highlight this comment 309

i think the seats next to the admin building in lowerdeck left field will be borderline obstructed....at least i wouldn't want to sit there.

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 11:24 PM by Abe Frohman Highlight this comment 310

those seats will be able to see the entire field, just not the seats around the corner of the building

Posted on March 28, 2009 at 11:29 PM by twinlves Highlight this comment 311

Awesome pix Steve
Why are the skyway windows all covered up(click link)? very odd

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 03:22 AM by pf386 Highlight this comment 312

They're not pf386. They are reflecting the limestone!

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 06:47 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 313

I just noticed this, but why did they not decide to add outdoor patio space on the 7th street side of the metropolitan club. The new ballpark renderings that were released back in 2007 showed a outdoor patio on that side, but now seeing the Metropolitan club it doesn't look like there will that way. The only outdoor patio will now only be facing toward Target Center.

Also, Abe asked before if the roof above the stair case for the right field trapezoid section from Target Plaza was still in design. I don't think it is. The only place I found that included that was the model, all other renderings and images do not show that roof there anymore.

Just to throw a question out there. Are these changes budget cuts? If so, what else might we not see in the final product.

Steve thanks for pics!!

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 07:26 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 314

so the Twins home opening isn't going to be in HD? what a joke!

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 08:38 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 315

Awesome pix Steve
Why are the windows on the skyway all covered up (link below)? very odd
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/sslings/DSC_2748.jpg

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 03:19 AM by pf380 Highlight this comment 316

Vikes: The only way to see the game in HD is at the Dome. Channel 29 is horrible. The Twins could do a much better job of producing their telecasts. This area has gone neglected for a long time and could be paid some attention instead of the constant "get your new ballpark priority" schticks we are bombarded with.

The Twins are trying to "scare" the public even during a fairly strong recession into thinking they won't be able to get tickets to Target Field. This simply is NOT the case. There will be plenty of tickets out there. You'll pay a premium for Opening Day and the Brewers/Yankees/Red Sox for the excellent seats, but if you want games in April/May or September they will be a dime a dozen.

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM by Max Highlight this comment 317

Max, "scaring the public"? Really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure most people just refer to it as "marketing." Spare us the drama...

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 1:22 PM by Brian Highlight this comment 318

i wouldn't be quite so sure about a "dime a dozen" Max -- it'll take at least the first year for that new ballpark smell to start to wear off. I think this will be a tough ticket in 2010.

The wood louvre mockups in those photos look great, thanks Steve. (hopefully they have a spray paint resistant coating??)

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 1:26 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 319

Brian do you work for the Twins? Are you one of St. Peter's sheep? Don't be insulted. This "oh you won't be able to get any good seats at Target Field" unless you jump in line now for "priority" is the biggest bunch of sh!t out there.

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM by Max Highlight this comment 320

Max-

Every business does it, get over it. If you're bitter about capitalism move to France or Cuba, I'm sick and tired of this constant attacks on other people, when you have a choice whether or not you want to patronize them.

Anyways on topic-

As billy pointed out the walkway's are not covered up. If you look at the next picture the limestone reflection only cover's half the glass. It's nice to see ribbon and scoreboards going up along with ad space slots. That will hopefully start adding a little spice to the stadium.

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 7:29 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 321

The limestone in the LF corner looks lighter and smoother than the limestone on the outside. Obviously there the same, maybe its the lighting or something.

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 8:38 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 322

I'm sorry if someone answered this last time I asked, but I didn't catch an answer. Is there going to be the vintage Twins sign w/ the people shaking hands out in center field that was to be LED lit and the hands would shake when a HR was hit and fireworks go off behind it?

Thanks, and does anyone know where I could find the pics of that?

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 8:39 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 323

Camden: Ha you won't find anyone more in favor of capitalism than me (and hush Republican hush). The market takes care of itself/things/price. In this case, the supply and demand of the tickets. I am saying with 40K tickets each night at TF(and roughly 25-30% season tickets), there is NO reason to jump in line NOW (ie 2009) for season tickets when you are going to the back of the line of current season ticket holders which is rummored to be approximately 11K this year. FYI: There were still plenty of Legends Club seats available at Twinsfest...

I actually think the Twins marketing dept does a fantastic job. They hit HRs with the annual commercials and original marketing campaigns. I have an issue with this notion that there won't be any tickets available next year. There will be plenty of tickets available via single game sales, the secondary markets, etc. The Twins like any good business want their money up front NOW (ie get tickets for 2009 to get them in 2010). My point is that Minnesotans don't have to continue to be blindly led like herding sheep when the truth/reality is far different than they are portraying in this TF marketing campaign. Just think outside the box once in a while.

BTW: This is all coming from a longtime season ticket holder. Some don't confuse the above for some sort of bitter rant...

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 8:59 PM by Max Highlight this comment 324

Is DSP updating this blog now? Wow...time for a new thread!

Posted on March 29, 2009 at 9:39 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 325

max - i will just come out and say it since no one else has. YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

that is all......

Beta

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 01:14 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 326

thought of the day: is thinking outside of the box outside of the box anymore?

off to get some carpal tunnel surgery for my "scroll wheel" finger...

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 08:22 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 327

Ninja, are will still lurking from the shadows or have you gone back into hiding?

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 08:28 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 328

Um, last I heard, France was a capitalist country. Pretty unfair to lump them in with Cuba. I hope that was an attempt at humor...

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 09:51 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 329

Yep the Twins need to adopt a new strategy. "Twins fans, don't worry about getting tickets right now. You can wait. We're not really interested in selling tickets to our new ballpark. After all we have a whole year to go. Don't waste your money pledging your money to our product now. We wouldn't want that."

Gimme a break. I'm sorry but yeah it's a bit of drama over all this using buzz words like "scare tactics" and other junk. they are a company selling a product. It would be like snickers changing their slogan from "packed with peanuts" to "a couple of nuts and a bunch of filler".

IS everything in the world an outrage these days? Do we always have to get worked up about everything?

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 09:57 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 330

First time poster. I took a walk around TF over the weekend and the hundreds of pictures, schematics and videos I've seen can't do justice to being there. Looking throught the construction on 5th street into the stadium gives you an idea of what the "scale is of this ballpark and how intimate it will be.

My only negative thoughts from the visit were:

1) I wish they could have kept the limestone going on the 5th street side (rather than the "brick" they chose, obviously for budget reasons). It would have brought a lot more continuity (although the limestone accents are a nice touch).

2) The pedestrian space between TF and the light rail is not abundant (as has been noted before). I can see that getting pretty packed before games with people getting off of light rail trains, people buying tickets, people going to the Northstar, people looking at the artwork, etc. This may have been unavoidable, however.

One other general question. Does anyone know why the light rail tracks extend past TF toward the HERC? Are the tracks going somewhere now or is that for future use?

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 331

Alright, come on people!!!! I'm waiting....I'm waiting....Why hasn't anyone made reference to the weather and how it would be a postponed game today and tomorrow at Target Field....I'm waiting....

Of course none of you roof rats said a damn thing 2 weeks ago when it was 67 degrees.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 332

Ninja is a bit, and nothing more.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 333

Mr. St. Peter updated his blog and it actually has some very interesting information to share. Click my name for the link, otherwise I copied and pasted the different club information he provided. Enjoy!!

Champion's Club
o Located on the ballpark's event level, the Champion's Club provides the building's highest-end experience. The space is all about the Twins championship teams, including World Championship clubs in 1987 and 1991 and AL Champs from 1965. This space will house a variety of Twins championship archives including the 1987 and 1991 World Series Championship trophies.

First Base Lounge / Third Base Lounge

o Located on the ballpark's event level, the First and Third Base Lounges will be accessed by fans sitting in the Dugout Club seating area. The interior spaces are essentially a tribute to Twins first and third baseman through the years.

Twins Pub

o Located on the main concourse behind home plate, the Twins Pub is certain to be one of the prime destinations within the facility. Open to all fans, the Twins Pub is themed as a celebration of the franchise with décor and graphics focused on past and present Twins marks and players.

Town Ball Tavern

o My favorite spot in the ballpark, the Town Ball Tavern is open to all fans and will be largely a celebration of Minnesota amateur baseball. Graphics will pay tribute to the great teams, great players and great ballparks in Minnesota's rich Town Ball history. The space includes a real time scrolling scoreboard which will bring fans the latest in MLB and Town Ball scores.

Legend's Club

o While the Champion's Club is all about team, the Legend's Club is all about the players. Located on the ballpark's Club Level, the Legend's Club pays tribute to the greatest players in the history of the franchise. Three niche spaces on this level - honoring Twins Hall of Famers - will undoubtedly be amongst the most talked about spots in the park. The 573 Bar - a tribute to Harmon Killebrew - sits behind home plate and features dramatic two-story interiors and bar designed to emulate one of Killer's favorite Louisville Sluggers. Meanwhile, the Carew Atrium and Puckett Atrium - sit down the third base and first base lines respectively - and both include two-story wood etched graphics of two of the greatest hitters in MLB history. Following the legend theme, the Herb Carneal Press Box is also located on this level.

Metropolitan Club

o Open to all Twins season ticket holders, the Metropolitan Club is positioned down the right field line and offers some of the most dramatic views in the ballpark. The Metropolitan Club interiors will be highlighted by the stellar photographic images of the "old Met" as well as other Minnesota ballparks such as Nicollet Park, Lexington Park and Siebert Field. Longtime Twins fans will note the colorful Metropolitan Club logo which is designed to emulate the pastel-color brick façade of the old ballpark.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 12:15 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 334

Yes, lurking in the shadows...waiting for Rick to unleash me and my report upon you.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM by The ballpark ninja Highlight this comment 335

The ninja tells the truth! He is very real.

Unfortunately, I'm having server (and email) troubles and cannot unleash his weapons upon you until they are resolved. The crack support team is on it, but they fear the ninja as much as anyone.

What will happen next? Who can say...?

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM by Rick 336

Thanks Jeff. That makes me so excited even thought I'll never set foot in any of the clubs, maybe the pub and tavern.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 1:06 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 337

Good glad to know your not a bit.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 338

AJ -

The extra track alongside the HERC is to stack multiple light rail cars for special heavy load times -- say a Twins game at TF or a Wolves game at TC.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 339

nice update from DSP there. champions club sounds awesome with the tributes to those teams.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 2:13 PM by tim Highlight this comment 340

Hey, I have a question. I am going to be in Minneapolis this weekend and I would like to take a walk around the park and take some pictures. How close can you get to the stadium, and what is the best way to get up, so I can get some good pictures from a better angle? Thanks!

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 341

Kevin in az - I have an awesome new promotion idea for the Twins this year. People should write to DSP and guess how many games this year will be SAVED because of the Humpty Dump. Whoever comes closest, will win two season tickets right behind the plate at TF. And then, next year, the promotion can change - to guessing how many games will be LOST because of the lack of the damn roof. The winner gets two season tickets for the next season, and so forth.
Either that, or the Twins simply can play on the road...and then have their home opener at TF sometime around May 15, 2010.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 342

It's actually pretty accessible. I've always parked at a meter down by the ford centre (at your own risk!) and walked all the way around. You can go into the skyway over the plaza and into the parking ramp, although I've heard of people getting harassed by security in the ramp. It's defiantly worth a look.

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 343

hey luke - please don't be an idiot. thanks!

signed - beta

Posted on March 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 344

Vikeologist,

What I like to do is park in the B parking ramps and drive all the way to the top overlooking center field and park there. That way you can get a look over the high wall and watch the construction work. You can then follow the sky way around to get on either side of the stadium for some exterior views.

Posted on March 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 345

AJ,

The tracks extend around HERC because the Southwest and Bottineau lines will link up there. The idea is to interline the routes so that one could ride from, say, Eden Prairie to St. Paul without a transfer.

Posted on March 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM by David Highlight this comment 346

I was just yankin' ur chain Beta. that one was just for fun :).

Posted on March 31, 2009 at 3:57 PM by luke Highlight this comment 347


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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."

– Bernie Williams

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Here are 50 images chosen randomly from the 3045 found on this site. Click the image to be taken to the original post. A new list is created every 10 minutes.


Upper concourse






Overview of the storage tracks.






Awesome seat. Awesome sun. Awesome hitter. (Photo by Tony Voda, courtesy Jared Wieseler)






Flowers. Real flowers.



Plaza extension reaches toward First Avenue









Intersection overview



The Overlook



A flurry of action in front of the dugout before the game (Photo by Jeff Ewer)



Thome steps in.



Field access on the visitor's side



Section 101, Row 34












Viewed from up Sixth Street (that's Target Center on the left), you can get an idea of how the connection is currently planned. As it stands now, the plaza will extend to that support pillar, from which a stairway will empty to the sidewalk below. If they get their wish, additional support structures will provide a walkway along Target Center which will gradually (without stairs) meet the sidewalk somewhere up near First Avenue.



Work on the pavilion in center.



I saw it at another park...



I have no idea what this is or does, but as gear goes, it's totally boss, man. (Attached to a railing just off of the Trap)






One half of those windows are well-used.






Forbes Field



This is what I was working on while my photo was taken (click to see a VERY BIG version).



Here's a closer look.






The original Candlestick Park






I believe that the truck is parked in one of the curb cutouts which are being installed to facilitate ticket sales and traffic calming.



Gate 3 "Killebrew"






Frost on the pumpkins, snow on the plaza






Then you turn around to this!



Reasonable (if not overly generous) leg room









Click to see the whole page from this 1971 program.



Arizona



The Puckett atrium fireplace is just barely visible at the far left.






Such promise. (Click to enlarge.)



A southpaw?



I love this view of the Basilica.



Eleven flag poles





Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

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(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
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