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Plunked

May 13, 2009 2:27 AM

So, what do you do when you've been plunked by the opposing pitcher? You dust yourself off and take your base, that's what.

It's not a perfect analogy because I've never seen this site's relationship with the team as somehow adversarial. We're not competing for fans or runs or, well, anything. I guess we don't have to work together, but that doesn't prevent us from working separately toward the same goal.

Thanks for all the kind words of support. I have absolutely no intention of closing up shop here. My goals remain, and there's still lots to talk about, with or without the team's blessing (which I hoped I could get but can live without).

Grass, My Ass

All the hullabaloo caused by the grass story is actually kind of hilarious. In case you haven't seen it, stop reading and watch it now. Then be sure to read the text version, which contains this nugget:

Target Field is set to have a retractable roof and will have heat cables to potentially melt snow making drainage essential.

That is one tortured sentence which just so happens to contain a laughable inaccuracy.

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The Target Field grass, it turns out, will be green. (This is a photo representing the concept of grass only. The actual Target Field grass apparently will not contain dirt patches, weeds, or dandelions. Imagine that -- if you can!)

So the big "exclusive" story is:

A) watching grass grow, and

B) discussing the non-existent retractable roof.

And KARE11 didn't even run it! Good work, mass media. (We can all look forward to next week's exclusive on paint drying.)

That the Twins wouldn't allow a ballpark fan to come along for a picture or two is:

A) insane, and

B) a favor to the fan.

(Perhaps the adjacent photo of my ugly grass will be viewed by more fans than those brief TV stories. And though it comes with dandelions, even they know that Target Field will not have a roof.)

Media Missive

Over the past couple of days I've thought a lot about the role of blogging on the crowded media landscape. It's not a new subject, and greater thinkers than I have tackled it. But there's something uniquely valuable about a voice which is not beholden to its subject, and is not limited by the need to be flatly objective.

In the "good old days" of journalism, say 30 years ago or so and before, objectivity was hardly a watchword. Reporters were not expected to parrot both sides of an issue if one side was clearly wrong. If one side called the sky blue and the other side called it red, the reporter was beholden to look out a window and discern which was accurate.

And they were not allowed to be satisfied with taking press releases at face value. They were charged with verifying claims, and checking facts. This responsibility seems to have been abdicated somewhere along the way.

To be sure, some issues aren't that cut and dry. But think how Woodward and Bernstein might have been handicapped if there was a requirement that they quote press releases from both parties in each story. (Actually, you don't have to imagine it. Just read Bob Woodward's first couple of books on the Bush presidency. He felt the need to be "fair" in order to retain access to his subject, and was spun inside out just like the rest of us. His later books on the administration essentially admit that.)

I've been struck during the ballpark's construction at how the TV stations and big newspapers seem to practice what can only be called "press release journalism" -- at least when it comes to this story. It's true that their audiences may not be as fanatical about the subject as we are, but there are interesting stories to be told beyond what the team places before the media.

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For those not wishing to suffer through my media rant, please enjoy this picture of my lilacs in full bloom.

While the story about the grass is potentially interesting, the Denver story captures exactly none of it. If there was an interview with Larry DiVito (whose name was misspelled in the web article, by the way), none of it was used. And there is much to say beyond "heat cables" about a drainage and snow-melting system which will be quite elaborate, and have some challenges unique to Minnesota.

One might also have asked what winter is likely to do to the grass, whether frozen ground makes it more difficult to care for, or if some special steps are needed to either prevent the ground from freezing or at least protect the grass if it does freeze.

Then one might have asked about reviving it in the spring, the schedule for cutting, patching, fertilizing, watering (just how much water will they use, and what's the sprinkler system going to be like?) and the process for training groundskeepers on how to make those nifty designs with the mowers. One might even have inquired about divets, tarps, and whether the shadow of the grandstand could impact the growth of some portion of the field.

How long do they leave it when mowing? Is it different lengths in different parts of the park? Are there MLB rules about such things?

Someone might have asked the grower about his source of seed. Is it a special blend? How much soil goes with the grass to Minnesota and how does he replenish it for the next crop? What types of problems do they typically encounter, and how does weather there affect the finished product? And do they offer some sort of warranty?

Seriously, I'd love to talk to these guys and run 10 days worth of stories about the f@@king grass. But a TV reporter would just have to ask one or two of those questions to get something beyond the press release. From what I can tell, no one did.

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Since pictures of the ballpark are forbidden, perhaps you'll enjoy this shot of the lovely apple tree in my front yard.

Is this a question of resources? Laziness? Sloppiness? Lack of preparation? Deadlines? Or is it a matter of needing not to bite the hand that feeds you? If the big company tells you what to say, are you beholden to just shut up and say it?

I've never felt that way with the Twins. They seem to love such questions, and as I said the other day, they've answered just about any question I've ever asked.

But perhaps there's some sort of cultural thing that you learn and abide by if you're a paid reporter. You learn the rules of the game and how not to piss people off. You get just enough information to do (and keep) your job.

And on the other side of the equation, is it really that easy for a big corporation (or, say, a government) to manipulate the media to get what they want?

I don't know this. It's just speculation. But I guess that speculation is part of what bloggers do.

Web Shots

It's impossible to address all of the great subjects suggested by the more than 120 comments to my previous article. But I want to touch quickly on one that I saw come up a few times: the Twins' web coverage of their own ballpark.

I do visit their site periodically just to see what might be there, but I always feel like I've seen it all somewhere else first (and I don't mean here, necessarily). In some ways, it feels like they have yet to really harness their own a-ha moments.

Their news archive contains whole months without updates, as does Dave St. Peters' blog. This isn't necessarily bad (I'm sure Dave's a pretty busy guy), but it probably represents some missed opportunities.

What's more, the new ballpark portion of their site is maddeningly confusing to navigate. If you poke around, there is some astonishing stuff to be found, like this:

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To find this useful nugget (how many people are projected to enter through each gate), you have to click on "Target Field Seat Selection" (a link which is in the body of the page, toward the bottom, but not duplicated on the navigation menu at the top left), and then find a tiny link which says only "click here". Then you'll find a wealth of information about restricted views and the seat selection process.

It must be acknowledged that the Twins are handicapped (like all of the other MLB teams) with a web design which looks like it was birthed kicking and screaming from the MLB web site mother ship. Without knowing what their content management tools look like (I must now enter again the realm of speculation), they seem to be saddled with limitations on where they can put things, how certain elements (like slideshows and lists of articles) are generated, and how the site can be structured. Whatever the cause, the web developers appear to be hampered in creating a clean presentation of information.

But it doesn't excuse the long periods without updates. I think it's a great idea for the team president to write about the ballpark (or even other subjects) every once in a while, but there should probably be a blog written by someone in PR that publishes a couple of times a week -- especially as opening day grows closer and closer. I think it's possible to come up with 150 interesting subjects and have somebody from within the organization write about one of them every couple of days.

They may think of their web audience as secondary to their TV and radio audiences (which it certainly may be, at least in raw numbers), but like so many other large companies, they are missing opportunities with their most die-hard fans by not harnessing the power of the web.

Up Next

Though this is an awkward time to do it, I've been working for many months on a series of articles addressing the vulnerabilities that the Twins, the Ballpark Authority, Hennepin County, and the city of Minneapolis have yet to face in order to ensure the success of Target Field.

In each case, the subject matter is a source of strength for the project while also representing a potential problem. I'll be polishing and publishing this series of articles in the coming days as something of a third anniversary celebration for this web site (yes, I started it that night in May of 2006 when the legislation authorizing the park was signed).

Thanks again for stopping by today, for telling your friends about this site, and for the amazing support. Stay tuned!

Comments


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Rick thanks for the new thread...oh and you may want to send Noah out to weed and feed that lawn of yours :)

And No jfh, Sorry....I will not give the Twins any breaks. Not until they stop being morons about coverage of TF, nor will I give them a break until they sign a $#%$#@!#@% middle reliever who can pitch.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 06:30 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 1

Truely disapointing that KARE-11 didn't run anything last night. I DVR'd the news, and wasted a whole 2-3 minutes fast-forewarding through it (we have a local news - yes, even in Bemidji). Now do I have to DVR KARE news every night 'til they run a story?

Moose

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 06:51 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 2

Interesting read today Rick, thanks. You forgot to point out that every "real web media outlet" these days, whether run by local news, newspapers, or national television is really just a blog in disguise since they all allow asinine comments to be posted in response to their rarely newsworthy "articles".

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 08:56 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 3

Rick, the only thing you are beholden to is the word itself.
Keep up the good work!

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 08:59 AM by James Highlight this comment 4

Wasted 2-3 minutes? I wasted a half hour, anyways the grass looks good from the Colorado story, even if it was boring.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 09:30 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 5

Thanks for the story, Rick. The Twins people I know are extremely excited about the new park - but only a few control the flow of info. Rick, I think you hit it on the head when you mentioned that the Twins have to work within the confines of the MLB website format. I'm sure they would love to have their own site...which is why they should be a HUGE cheerleader for you.

Keep up the great work :)

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 09:42 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 6

I completely agree with notion that when the Twins site posts something on the ballpark, I have already heard it somewhere else.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM by JCE Highlight this comment 7

Target Field Web Cam Update:

If you currently scroll through to the very bottom left of the web cam you can see the that Target Center is getting a new roof, maybe this is what those reporters out in Colorado were referring to.

So after looking further into the matter, Glen Taylor, owner of the Timberwolves, has been quoted recently on the new roof, “We felt that with the addition of our new neighbors we needed to upgrade our sound proof exterior to ensure that the 20 or so fans that we have in the building on an October night can’t hear the sounds of excited fans routing for a playoff team”.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 11:22 AM by JCE Highlight this comment 8

Rick -- Love the pic of your lilacs! I just know the irony is flying way over the head of the Chief Security Guard. Now that pictures are "banned", you are going to move on to items of substance, starting with a pointed critique of the Twins website?? I love it!! Non carborundum illegitimati.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 11:48 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 9

Nice musings today Rick. You are a skilled writer and we are damn lucky to have someone as diligent as yourself providing consistent updates on Target Field.

Kevin in AZ: I am pretty sure that jfh was saying that completely tongue in cheek...

Rick: I hope you will be discussing the "moat" behind the Dugout Box seats. Many new ballparks are adding this and I am not so sure I like it. I can understand some sort of division between the Champions Club and the rest of the ballpark for obvious reasons (food and beverage are included with your ticket), but not too keen on the oh so obvious separation creating a conspicuous Caste System at Target Field...

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 12:00 PM by Max Highlight this comment 10

Max,
Oh I know it was tongue in cheek. My statement was more for the Twins employed flunkies who come here fora little insight since none can be found at Kirby Puckett Place.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 12:19 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 11

For what it's worth - the 9News web story was updated after my note to the reporter. No correction - looks like they just removed the entire paragraph that contained the mention of the roof, heat cables and snow melting. I didn't think to capture the original version of the story before I refreshed my browser.

As for the Denver version of the story not covering details of the Target Field turf (like "is it a special seed blend?"), the 9News version of the story was supposed to be about Graff's Turf farm and not specifically the Minnesota Twins, although the 10pm version is clearly more "Twins focused". I would expect the KARE 11 version would be tailored more to the Twins and Target Field aspects.

(As to the special blend question - yes, it is. Similar to the blend used for Coors and the other MLB parks, but when I spoke to Graff's a while back they didn't think they could tell me any more than they already had without talking to the owner. When I did speak to the owner last week, I didn't think to follow up on that question. However, if I did, I suspect he would want permission from the Twins to tell me anything more and given the response on talking a picture of it, I doubt they want anyone knowing the blend).

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 12:32 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 12

Damn it! I really want to know the blend!

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:04 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 13

I am sure the blend of grass will be quite an "a-ha" moment for all fans on opening day. Everyone will stare at the turf from their seats and say, "wow, a hybrid Bermuda grass, over-seeded with a triple blend perennial rye grass! I was totally expecting the three-variety blend of Kentucky bluegrass they use at Yankee Stadium." That will be what everyone says.

I can understand why the Twins wouldn't want to spoil the surprise. Curses to anyone who spoils it for me.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 14

Kevin in AZ - I think you missed the smiley in my post about giving the Twins a break. That particular post about the extensive coverage(in the Spring Swing and more section below) was very much tongue in cheek.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:09 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 15

The grass for Target Field will be a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play a double header on it in the morning, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:10 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 16

No no jfh....I know it was and I found myself chuckling as I read your post...I'm just so angry with this front office...From the gestapo Scott O'Connell to the doofus Billy Smith.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:22 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 17

i was just down by the site and it looks like they are mapping out the pavement colors for the plaza. pretty cool stuff.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 18

billy smith...it's sad...imagine this team if the matt garza/delmon young trade had never happened. what an unfortunate miscalculation. i think the man, albeit a nice person by all accounts, is not major league GM material. if this was new york or chicago, just being a nice company guy would not be enough to warrant being handed the reins of an mlb club. everytime i see highlights of garza pitching another gem for that formerly ratty tampa bay team, i get annoyed. and he gave them our starting shortstop too, a shortstop who could hit AND field his position.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:37 PM by tim Highlight this comment 19

The Twins are tight and want to keep a tight leash. I guess technically there is some reporting done here and it's a form of media, but we aren't really THE media, I wish everyone wouldn't get bent out of shape, they read this, and will likely not give at all down the road because of it. Yes they keep a tight leash and live in the dark ages, but there are a lot of businesses that do that. I wouldn't compeltely characterize the entire office as being terrible, media relations maybe, and say what you will about Billy Smith and his department, but their CUSTOMER relations are actually quite good.

As a season ticket holder I do need to contact them from time to time, and I find them to be very helpful. I called over to the Target Field services team yesterday and they answered immediately (surprised me really), they had made a mistake with my priority when I had upgraded my tickets this year and within five minutes they had me all fixed up and I got bumped up a lot sooner, very helpful.

I guess I'm trying to say the Twins try, this isn't exactly new news that they don't want us taking pictures this broke, what, about a year ago? I remember Rick getting kicked out of the sky way and being told he can't take pictures. I know a few of us have been kicked out of the parking ramp as well for the same reason. I fail to see how not being allowed to attend a TV taping when NBC had an exclusive on it is a big deal, they dibbed it first. Yes they could maybe be a bit more gentle, but they're just trying to do their job.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 20

Camden-

I guess many of us here just don't see the reason for them objecting to requests such as these. What's wrong with letting fans take pictures? What's wrong with letting a fan take a picture of the grass? What is the possible motivation here? What's the downside of being more open about things? It's not like this is Area 51 and top secret. This stadium is publicly financed and being built in the heart of downtown Mpls and they should be allowing more access to the public than they have been.

At the VERY least, they should update their site more than once a month.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 2:32 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 21

..and by the way. I hope they ARE reading this...

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 2:33 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 22

Camden -

I agree that the customer relations are generally good. I think the frustration many have here is that is the the Twins attitude toward fan involvement/interest in the new park has changed 180 degrees from "we really need your help getting this thing passed" to "we don't want you involved at all". I don't think anyone here thinks the site is "media" - I agree 100% that it is not - but the big failing here is that the Twins don't recognize the benefit of or how to utilize what amounts to free, viral marketing. Their own policy on cooperating with this site and others is primarily responsible for the failings they note! Talk about a circular problem.

Almost all corporations these days have a similar problem - how to tell the good guys from the bad. But very few have figured out that the rules have changed and that the Internet has made everything more immediate and accessible and that if they don't find a way to harness that for their own good, it will hurt them in the long run, ESPECIALLY if they want to keep a "tight leash" on everything. (Reference the recent Domino's fiasco last month - by the time corporate responded, the damage was already done. Had they acted when they were first aware of things, perhaps the damage would've been mitigated). Not quite the same - BUT - think about it - would we even be having this discussion if the Twins had responded to my request? Even the guy at 9News was taken aback when I told him the Twins didn't want me to take a picture of the grass.

The Twins can safely ignore this site and those of us "fanatics" that have more than a passing interest in the park construction and it won't cost them a thing - is anyone really going to not go to a game or go to fewer games because of this? My daughter and her friends asked me to cancel a group outing to the Metrodome later this year to protest me not being allowed to take a picture of the grass, but the loss of a $500+ outing isn't going to hurt the Twins.

For whatever reason, the Twins have made a business decision. Most of us here think it's short-sighted. But until an existing season ticket holder calls and cancels their account and gives the "no photography / no cooperation" policy as a reason, nothing is likely to change.

There are many things that can be done with a site like this that the Twins just can't do for a variety of reasons. But trying to imply that the only good and accurate source of information on Target Field is the Twins website is just plain silly.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 4:04 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 23

Ha, may I comment that I love the sarcastic grass postings. laughing at the responses right now. it is pretty funny that most of us here do seem to care about some rediculous details of the park's progress.

all i want to know is, "will the grass be short enough that i can sneak in there with a seven iron some night and plunk a few balls squarely in the outfield firepits that definitely better be there?"

the topiary bats look like they might make good targets, too.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 24

The next new MLB ballpark (Florida Marlins - 2012) has its web-cam up (click my name) for those interested...

Moose

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 4:27 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 25

If I were the Twins organization I would have a representative from the team, even Scott or Kevin, clarify the comments that they made. In particular the ones about not supporting any independent blogs and how most information on these sites (particularly this one) provides information that is mostly speculation or rumor. If the Twins staff really do read this blog, and make no attempt to help remedy this situation, and continue to burn this bridge, it just shows how this piss poor this organization's PR department really is and how little they care about their fan base. Its not just about the the people on this site, its about the entire state who helped get this ballpark built. I hate this sort of entitlement theme. Its not just about the organization, its about the Fans for crying out loud!!

Anyways, I didn't know if this was mentioned here before but during Kevin Smith's tour before last nights game he mentioned that the speakers in the upper deck will be mounted inside of the sun canopy, which I thought was pretty cool.

Thanks for all that you do, Rick! This site has become my addiction!

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 26

Not to change the subject, but does anyone have a detailed seat selection update?
Thanks!
JCTwins

p.s. I took some photos of the park over the weekend. Kill me now.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 27

Glory Hallelujah, I see limestone in that little section between the Champions Club and the rest of the lower bowl. And also on the club level.

Now if they could just finish the rest of the stadia on the third base side. I'm afraid there arent gonna be any seats over there.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 5:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 28

Thanks for the link Moose. I can't wait to visit the new park in Miami. The Orange Bowl was NOT in a good neighborhood. Here's hoping the new ballpark revitalizes the area and it starts to bustle with some new bars/restaurants. Also, do you have an email address I can contact you at? I'm headed to Dallas on Saturday morning for 2 games this weekend and have a few questions for you....

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 7:06 PM by Max Highlight this comment 29

What's up?

Moose

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 30

Minneapolis Skyscraper Second Home for Fans

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Perhaps the best seat at the Minnesota Twins' new ballpark won't be inside the stadium.

Management of the Multifoods Tower, located at 33 South Sixth St. in downtown Minneapolis, announced Wednesday that stadium-style bleachers will be constructed on the roof of the city's fifth-tallest building. International Multifoods President and CEO Dan Swander likened the seating to that of other nostalgic Major League Baseball parks.

"We've seen the success of peripheral seating at other ballparks, including Wrigley Field, and feel that Multifood's unique location will offer outstanding views of the outdoor baseball experience," Swander stated in a press release.

According to the news release, about 150 seats will be installed. Those who purchase the tickets will also be provided with wait staff serving some of Multifoods' finest cuisine, an oxygen bar and a pair of binoculars.

"There's nothing quite like watching a game from a vantage point that until now was only enjoyed by nesting falcons and blimp captains," Swander noted.

The Multifoods Tower stands at 668 feet tall and houses 52 floors. Friedman explained that the skyscraper will lure would-be Target Field spectators with its "laxed" atmosphere.

"Up on the roof, we want our fans to feel its their home. If you want to urinate on Target Center, we won't stop you. The Wolves have been pissing on fans for years."

Target Field opens in April 2010.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:28 PM by Newshound Highlight this comment 31

No. Way.

I'm speechless.

That's the coolest thing I've heard in a long time.

My mouth is literally hanging open right now.

What a bold and great idea.

How do I get a ticket?

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM by Rick 32

Ladies and gentleman, the Twins bullpen has entered the game so please fasten your seatbelts and tighten them as tight as possible. There is an airbag above you that will release in emergencies. Please apply masks to yourself before assisting others. Please prepare for a bumpy ride. Thank you.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:34 PM by BB Highlight this comment 33

wow. as soon as i post that i look to the tv and the first pitch from guerrier is sent to the bleachers.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM by BB Highlight this comment 34

oh geeze..nice bullpen there billy smith, another bravo performance tonight! it's pathetic.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:38 PM by tim Highlight this comment 35

Guerrier + Crain = Mark Wohlers

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:39 PM by Newshound Highlight this comment 36

Isn't Multifoods the building in which Webcam 1 is located?
If that's the case, those will be some decent seats. Although, the ramp and the right field bleachers/plaza will probably obstruct your view in center/deep right field. other than that, that's a pretty good spot.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:39 PM by luke Highlight this comment 37

Wait a minute. Have we (I) been duped? I think we need a link, Newshound...

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:39 PM by Rick 38

Now the Twins our going to build a 500 foot high screen to block the free view from the multi-food tower and our bulpen sucks.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:40 PM by ManBearPig Highlight this comment 39

Sure, the asshole comments by Smith and O'Connell on here certainly won't make people stop going to games, but this bullpen sure will!!

I'll be at the game next Friday night and I can't wait to BOOO.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:41 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 40

hi folks! great site you have here. i am bill smith. i read it during lunch as i get fatter and fatter. i went through the entire off-season and never really even tried to sign a couple legit relief pitchers. why? well, you see it is because i am smarter than all of you out there and i am smarter than ron gardenhire and rick anderson. i think i have an ability to find diamonds in the rough like.....luis ayala.....craig breslow.....jesse crain.....matt guerrier. they will get the job done folks.

oh who am i trying to kid? I AM A GIANT F-ING IDIOT and i am blew any chances for the twins to win the al central and go deep into the playoffs this year!

you can write to me at 34 kirby puckett place. just write "To DUMBASS" on the front of your letter. they will know who to get it to.

FU BILL SMITH!! FU!!

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM by Billy Smith Highlight this comment 41

Looks like the KARE 11 story may have aired tonight. It's significantly different from the Denver versions. See link to KARE page.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:47 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 42

What a great game to watch {shoves knife in chest}, anyways newshound do you write for real life? You're great on your little onionesque stories.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 43

I'm gonna guess fake Rick is Newshound.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 44

Wait until the folks on top of the Multifoods tower find out the Twins will allow them to use their binoculars only if they promise not to take the lens caps off.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:51 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 45

Uhh my TV doubles as my computer monitor, what happened? Anyway's it would be pretty cool if someone did the multi-foods thing or another building in the vicinity, though alcohol at the altitude could cause some problems.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:53 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 46

Something tells me Newshound is really Scott O'Connell.
kev, we need your analysis on tonight's bullpen performance.
Moose, Thanks for the webcam site of the Marlin's new home. Just what I need...another webcam to look at all day.
Jeff, Thank goodness I don't have an addiction to this site like you do.
Where is that first seat that was installed yesterday? I'm still scanning the webcams for it.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 47

KUBELLLLLLL!!!!

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 10:09 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 48

It's really me, and if that's a fake story (I can't find it on Google anywhere) it's a damn fine one. Way to go, Newshound! You got me.

Anyway, KARE11 just aired a 30-second story on the grass. Hard to believe that's the "exclusive" story. But there you have it.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM by Rick 49

Just saw that great exclusive piece on KARE11. It was almost 20 seconds long I think. Man, that was some in-depth coverage and I can understand now why the Twins would want to limit what outlets get scoops like that (/sarcasm).

What a freakin' joke.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 50

The KARE11 online story also misspells Larry DiVito's name -- in two different ways! Perhaps there was an error in the press release...

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM by Rick 51

They do it all the time. I remember when my younger cousin was on when he had a stroke at like 16 they misspelled his last name three times, I'm sure its a very common occurrence. I think the earlier piece was longer than that that jfh linked to.

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 52

We need photos (of the target field)! Oh and newshound aka twins pr guy go away your not really fooling anyone.

what a game down in Milwaukee tonight, with all the lightning and stuff.
The Brewers WIN!

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM by pf386 Highlight this comment 53

I see, I remember there being a fake Rick awhile back.

Nice, keep these double plays a comin. Can we please score one run now! Go Twins!

Posted on May 13, 2009 at 11:20 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 54

lets hear it for Joe Crede, grand slam to win it in 13 inn! anyway hello

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 55

WOW JOE CREDE......JUST WOW! WALK OFF GRAND SLAM! WHAT A WAY TO END IT!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 56

Locker,
I think it was concluded that the first seat installed the other day was the oversized toilet seat in Billy Smith's office.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 08:03 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 57

they had the full KARE 11 piece on their website, it wasn't a 30 second thing, either. it must've been shown on an earlier newscast yesterday from the looks of it. it was actually a nice report.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 08:34 AM by tim Highlight this comment 58

i think i read one of newshound's pieces in the Onion the other day.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 08:59 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 59

I spy a topiary bat! Now if only we were having a competition for the bats...

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 09:06 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 60

Looks like a big group of people is out on the plaza. Must be a press outing full of useless reporters.

First bat up!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 09:20 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 61

Wow Eric thats quite a eye you have there, i had to zoom all the way in to see it...would have never looked for it or saw it unless you spotted it

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 09:23 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 62

It looks like the limestone or "paint" on the right field wall has been removed. You can all breathe a little easier.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 09:55 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 63

2nd Bat INSTALLED!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 10:19 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 64

Anybody know who was on the tour today? Clearly no one of the outlaws that frequent this great site were invited

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 65

Woo hoo!!! Topiary bats!!!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 66

5 bats in now...looks like they might get them all up today! This calls for pics later on this evening...

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 67

Does anyone know the status of the seats? I thought we'd see the armrests installed by now.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 11:40 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 68

Send the Ballpark Ninja, Send the Ballpark Ninja, Send the Ballpark Ninja...

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM by Max Highlight this comment 69

Confidential to turfguy: Your like doesn't work. Check it and try again. (Also, you can place the link in the "Email or Link" box and avoid the moderation.)

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM by Rick 70

Well I hate to ruin the suprise, but Charley Walters from the Pioneer Press reported that the Kirby Puckett statue being sculpted by local artist Bill Mack that will be erected outside Target Field will depict the hall of fame center fielder's memorable catch in Game 6 of the 1991 World Series. I provided a link to Bill Mack's website. Click my name

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 71

"A-ha!"

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 72

Topiaries Arriving Onsite Today I read this blog every single day, but this is the first time I'm posting. I work a block from Target Field and while I was out at lunch today, several flatbed semi trucks rolled by carrying what could only be the giant topiary bat-things for the Plaza. I tried to snap a photo but didn't move fast enough. They are HUGE - each one took up nearly the entire length of the flatbed semi.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM by Jeepboy Highlight this comment 73

Well I guess for my first post I messed up earlier. Now that I'm reading what was added since I went to lunch earlier, I see the news about the topiaries was already being discussed. Bummer. Thought I had an exclusive! Maybe next time...

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 1:49 PM by Jeepboy Highlight this comment 74

And you guys thought the Twins were arrogent...

"Sculptor Bill Mack has no mentors. There is nowhere to go to learn his sculpture techniques. No one teaches his sculpture technique. Sculptor Bill Mack works in such a rare art form that coming up with a name to describe it has been only slightly less arduous than creating the art itself. Bill Mack sculpture simply put is emotional elegance defined in sculpture."

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 75

Jeepboy: Pretty simple. If you wanna play with the Big Boys you gotta come strong!!!!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 1:58 PM by Max Highlight this comment 76

Sculptor Bill Mack is a tool. A tool without equal. There is nowhere to learn how to be a tool like Bill Mack. This toolishness is a gift bestowed only to Bill Mack...by God.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM by Third Webcam Highlight this comment 77

Welcome, Jeepboy!

As you know, scoops are not the priority here. We take any and all information, and everybody seems to add something (like the mention in your post of how they arrived).

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM by Rick 78

Former GMBill Smith has no mentors. There is nowhere to go to learn his negotiation techniques. No one teaches his cost-cutting technique. GM Bill Smith works in such a rare art form that coming up with a name to describe it has been only slightly less arduous than creating the art itself. Bill Smith baseball simply put is emotionally gut-wrenching heartburn."

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM by My Resume Highlight this comment 79

What is the prize for the first person to get past security and shimmy up to the top of the topiaries?

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:27 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 80

Nice rally here by the Twins in the 7th...I suppose they'll tie or maybe even take the lead...But then the bullpen will find a way to piss it away no doubt.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:32 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 81

We've taken the lead...wow! Can we just put in Nathan for the 8th and 9th?????? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 82

Uh oh...Here comes Matt Guerrier...I can't watch

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 83

WARNING: Aha Disclaimer - Clicking on this link may take away "Aha" moments.

Please consider these in my request for promotion from "Assitant to the Ballpark Ninja" to "Assistant Ballpark Ninja.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 84

Who do you think you are MPLSGreg? Ruining my ballpark experience before opening day...shame...

Great pictures

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 3:00 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 85

AHA! nice work, dude

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 3:05 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 86

Excellent work on the captions, too.

Looks like they're pretty close to throwing down some soil and grass up against B ramp. Any chance we can get shut down trying to find out where that grass is coming from?

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 3:13 PM by Nick in CO Highlight this comment 87

Well played mplsgreg. Much appreciated. Careful for the Ballpark Snipers when you are covertly trying to take pictures to please the masses. They are sneaky Sonuvabiches!!!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM by Max Highlight this comment 88

nice pics mplsgreg!
Is there a way we could get the full size versions, instead of thumbnails. I want to get one large enough to make my desktop background.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM by pf386 Highlight this comment 89

rofl, max
ballpark snipers.... classic

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 3:32 PM by pf386 Highlight this comment 90

Solid W today

Solid pics mplsgreg

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 3:49 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 91

Nice work mplsgreg,

now lets grow some hops in them beachies!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 4:07 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 92

Crede! Again!

Holy crap, those topiaries are tall...

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM by David Highlight this comment 93

I still think it looks like an over-crowded plaza. ....and there aren't any people there yet!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 94

Topiaries look great and the cement appears to be completed in the upper deck.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM by BB Highlight this comment 95

Hallelujah, they actually finished the upper deck on the third base side.
Which means that Webcam 2 will be even MORE obstructed.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM by luke Highlight this comment 96

I'm not paying money to attend a game in the new stadium. MplsGreg's photos have give me the same experience as openingday2010. I'm surprised they haven't put up some sort of magicians sheet over the whole park so as not to ruin the surprise.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 97

So I'm a little late on this post but just to give my two cents about the lastest "fun" with the Twins' Kevin Smith and Scott O'Connell. (I've had a blast reading all that's been posted.) I understand the position they've taken but it seems as though they are missing the point of their job. The point being: ballpark promotion. Realistically, they aren't going to say, "In cooperation with twinsballpark2010.com, baseball-fever.com , (etc, laundry list of other blog websites)..." However, it stikes me as odd that they won't answer questions asked by the very people they pleaded with to gain support and get the thing built. So they have an "exclusive" with the sod story, fine. But one guy who asks if he can come along and take a picture is breaking that exclusive? As for that, jfh, sometimes it's easier to ask for forgivness than permission (i.e. I probably wouldn't have mentioned that I was going to post it on a blog; but, you were being honest and up front with the Twins and there's certainly no fault in that.) Perhaps the Twins' are a bit more brash with their "up front and honest" but isn't that part of what a PR department is all about, answering questions? "Oh no, our department is going to be flooded with independant blogs (or taxpayers, or interested fans) calling in asking questions!"

I'm part of the generation that made it to college and asked "What's e-mail?" So I'm still learning the roll of alternative forms of media (and yes, this blog is definitly media--it's just not mainstream media) and this website is an incredible opportunity for the Twins if they wanted to use it. That's not not saying that they should give "us" (or Rick) releases exclusively but that here's a great place to kindle excitement for the park AND the organization. They are certainly missing out, and mostly because of ignorance (which isn't always very easy to fix--but you'd think it might).

And concerning speculation, we have no further to look than a couple of days ago talking about the first seat being installed and the criticism that went along with it. It's easy to make claims behind a faceless moniker but nothing goes without demand for PROOF or some kind of supporting evidence whether it's an article or press release, pictures or something substantial or credible.

Rick, this is a great site. I stumbled on it last July when I was bored out of my mind in Fairbanks. I nearly had a heart attack when I discovered all the pictures, articles and explanations. The irony is that for some time I was saying to myself "This webcam is cool but it's really hard to see detail. I want to know all the nit-noid things that are going on down there. And the Twins' website just doesn't cut it." This website is great and I appreciate all the work you put into it. And as other out-of-towners have stated this is how we get to "walk around" the park and watch it go up. Thanks, and keep up the awesome job, Rick!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 98

Very true Chuck. It's hard to imagine 14,000 people (that's the 35% entering on that side of the ballpark, according to the chart Rick posted) milling around on that plaza.

Elston, what on earth are you talking about? Pictures don't have the crowd noise after a walk-off grand slam, such as we witnessed last night. Pictures don't have the smell of hot dogs, beer and popcorn. Pictures are NOTHING like the real thing. It's gonna be worth the price of admission believe me.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 99

luke my friend - in case you didn't pick up on it i think elston gunn was being facetious.

you know like if i told everyone to go and look up the word "gullible" in the dictionary and they would see a picture of "luke". i would be doing it with "my tongue firmly implanted in cheek" or in other words facetiously.

:-)

Beta

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 6:09 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 100

Nice work, mplsgreg. Do I even need to walk over there tonight? You took some great shots!

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 101

Beta - it's hard to tell sometimes, whether people are serious or not on this site.
Regardless, it's still the best Target Field information center ever. Thanks to Rick.

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 7:00 PM by luke Highlight this comment 102

Just for the record...the last update from Dave St. Peter was March 30th. Ho hum. If that isn't embarrassing and sheer laziness from the Twins organization I don't know what is. Don't tell me he is too busy to pump out a short 250 word update....

Posted on May 14, 2009 at 7:51 PM by Max Highlight this comment 103

Uniform bird, you're suppose to be telling me the uniform info before going on to a blog and telling it. You're suppose to be one of my little birdies.

Don't Print That: That was former Twin reliever Mike Trobley laughing at Ayala saying he could do a better job.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 12:26 AM by Charley Walters Highlight this comment 104

Note of general interest: Metrodome icon (well, Minnesota sports icon) Wally the Beerman undergoes triple bypass surgery Monday, according to Charley Walters in today's Pioneer Press. Quote "Metrodome vendor Wally “The Beer Man,” who undergoes triple-bypass heart surgery on Monday: “I must have eaten too many Dome Dogs.”

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 07:09 AM by luke Highlight this comment 105

Some interesting tidbits from the MBA's latest construction report.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 07:19 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 106

Lights have been installed above the scoreboard. This morning on the way to work I saw them working on the last strip of scoreboard as well. The LRT station is coming together very quickly now...

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 09:17 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 107

Yeah I noticed what looked like lights on the webcam yesterday. I would imagine they have to install stuff behind the scoreboard, but maybe not, seemed to go up much quicker and easier than TCF's. Not going to be much left to watch now, what seats, little bit of stadia, and field? Am I missing anything? Can't wait till next year.

On another note, Maz I assume your going to the Twins at Royals game on 6/29, I'm curious as to what seats you got.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 108

For a sports columnist, you'd think Charley Walters would spell check his posts.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 109

For a sports columnist, you'd think Charley Walters would spell check his posts.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 110

Sorry for the double post

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM by CTM Highlight this comment 111

That would be a triple post CTM. Don't let it happen again!!

Thanks much,

The MGMT

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM by Max Highlight this comment 112

Camden,

6/29 @ KC we have sec 115 field box row k, the 3we are gonna tailgate and walk up and try for the "new" 7 buck fountain seats that are walk up the day of the game only...

in Stl I have in field redbird club fro the 26th and left field bleechers on the 27th

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 113

On all of the renderings, I never saw anything on the roof of the Metropolitan Club in RF. On the webcam I'm seeing what looks to be AC units, or something similar, bounded by a chain link fence. Necessary perhaps, but somewhat ugly. Thoughts?

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 1:56 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 114

I thought the same thing about the roof of the Metropolitan Club. Number one, it looks like there's a solid brick wall at the end of the concourse, so it will feel pretty closed-in back there. Number two, if they had put a railing and a beer cart out there, it would have been a nice spot for upper deck fans to hang out before the game. Even with the HVAC units in place they could have had a narrow patio.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 2:02 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 115

You have to wonder how necessary the fence is. Who's going to be up there anyway? Hopefully this is one of those things that will only be noticeable from above.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 116

Took a peek of the park while I was downtown today, and I'm deeply impressed about the toparies. I had some reservations about them when they were just drawings, but I believe they will be one of the signature pieces at the park.

Also, the main portion of the scoreboard has reached it's fully intended height, and the louvers have been installed on the 7th Street ramp.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM by Pikachu732001 Highlight this comment 117

i was down there over lunch today and everything looked amazing. the plaza is starting to look like a plaza rather than the drab slate of concrete it was before. i also noticed that the scoreboard has the spot where "twins" will be; you can totally see the outline.

i almost got hassled by security on the top of the ramp while taking some pictures but got out of there just in time...

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 118

We need pics of the louvers and more big freaking bats!!!og jeff.. lets get er done!

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 119

Here's what I will look like in action. Check out the Videos.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM by Wind Veil Highlight this comment 120

From the Star Tribune:

Ray Christensen, who was the radio voice of the University of Minnesota football team for 50 seasons, will be back behind the microphone when the Gophers play their first game in the new TCF Bank Stadium on Sept. 12 against the Air Force Academy.

I love John and Dan and Jack, but the night Target Field opens, I'll sure miss Herb.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM by Rick 121

If that link didn't work just google, Ned Kahn Wind Veil

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM by Wind Veil Highlight this comment 122

what the hell do you mean Walters should spell-check? What did he misspell??
I'll miss Herb on Opening Night as well. And Kirby, and Eloise, and Carl, and Bob (Casey) - all mainstays in the Twins organization who won't be there to see the big moment.
They'll be there in spirit though.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 123

He mispelled Trombley

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 124

Me fail English? That's umpossible.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 5:21 PM by Ralph Wiggims Highlight this comment 125

Looks like the Twins logo at the top of the scoreboard will be the current variety. Does that mean no permanent change to retro unis?

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM by Third Webcam Highlight this comment 126

good observation, third webcam. The speculation was fun, and the uniform bird was.....pretentious, but it looks like we'll live with the same old uni's. I couldn't care less.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 6:09 PM by elston gunn Highlight this comment 127

Somewhat off topic - what do you guys think we be the best/most convenient hotel closest to Target Field and why?

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 128

Jfh,

the Drake hotel....

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 129

jfh,

Best hotel would be Graves in Block E (and probably most expensive).
Marriott & Radisson just a block further east on 7th Street.

Location, Location, Location...

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 6:54 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 130

I just drove by and notices there are support posts up for the pedestrian bridge from Ramp A.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 131

I am sure they will make a change to the unis...the logo on the scoreboard really has nothing to do with the unis..they wear the tc hat now and tat was done away with for over 10 years b4

i see alot of empty seats behind home plate 2night.. that ballpark was a huge mistake, if you dont go to baseball-fever.com check it out there are alot of threads dedicated to distaisfied Yankee fans...

hows that for spelling?

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 6:52 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 132

What the hell is with Bremer and Blyleven rooting for the fans to boo Alex Rodriguez tonight? I'm no Rodriguez fan, but that's just unprofessional. Herb would never have stooped to such lows.

Here's hoping we upgrade announcers next year.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM by David Highlight this comment 133

Well 46 days later, we have an update from Dave St. Peter! Click link.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM by BB Highlight this comment 134

Rick - How about they bring back Ray and just get rid of that hack Dave Lee altogether. Dave Lee is just horrible to listen to on WCCO radio during gopher football games. Ray Christensen is a living legend.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 7:55 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 135

Get over it. A-Rod is hated in NY and they were predicting that it would happen not "rooting for it". I think doing steroids is a little "unprofessional" also. What's with all the drama on this site lately?

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 8:09 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 136

Nice that DSP used his monthly update to once again kiss the pohlad's asses.

Oh and BB, the TV crew is just fine, the radio crew is the one which needs an upgrade.

And yes Beta, Dave Lee has always sucked! Ray should be doing Gopher football til the day he drops.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 8:21 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 137

Sorry, not BB, but David, the TV crew is fine. Gordo, Gladden and Morris on the radio stink!

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 8:22 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 138

i dont think they were "rooting" for it... they've both covered the yankee games enough to know how yankee fans are... the takeaway comment from Bert during that was "in new york, you're only as good as your last at-bat"

and they were right, he k'd and they boo'd

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 8:28 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 139

here comes crain. twins will blow it!

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 8:39 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 140

Wow...the Pohlads are so incredibly generous. They got the taxpayers to pay for 2/3 of the cost of a ballpark so they (and their millionaire employees)can make even MORE money.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 8:54 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 141

Joe Nathan is trying to be the goat tonight....

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:38 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 142

That loss is not on Nathan. It's on that misplay in the outfield...

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:45 PM by Rick 143

And he was successful....Thanks Joe!!!

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:46 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 144

That loss stings.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:47 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 145

wow.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:48 PM by BB Highlight this comment 146

i am so mad right now. still can't believe we just blew that F-ING game tonight! some really piss poor fielding/relay plays by the outfielders tonight cost us this one. F-CK THE YANKEES!!!!!!!

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:50 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 147

Damn Yankees....

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:55 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 148

Nathan wasn't impressive... but the Defense blew this game... that, and every chance to break it open was missed.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 9:56 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 149

a little off-topic. regarding that local yokel dick bremer. have you ever heard a play-by-play guy who says SO MUCH, but in reality says SO LITTLE?!?!

i for one have never been able to stand his constant ramblings. and he always starts talking at the wrong time. rarely, if ever, does he say anything interesting.

probably why i usually listen to half the game on mute.

that is all.....

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 150

Target Field 'update' tomorrow on FS North Twins live at 11:30AM CT...

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 151

damn, just got off the plane and turned on the tube in time for that disappointing ending.

there was some talk of louvres being put up. where, i didn't see em?

also, if you don't have a Yankee fan close by to hate, you may need a laugh. may i HIGHLY suggest visiting the Puckett statue sculptor's website if you have not done so already (originally provided by Jeff). HILARIOUS. I'm still laughing at the carving of the woman that looks like she's falling off the guy's fireplace mantle.

I heard that Bill Mack is 10 feet tall and fathered a child while fighting in Vietnam.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 10:03 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 152

Great idea with the password.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 10:42 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 153

The change has been in development for a while, and there was some discussion yesterday about a "fake Rick" so I thought it was time to get it finished and have just a little control. Now no one else can pose as me -- or you (and my comments, as admin, can therefore be highlighted).

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM by Rick 154

so - no new Twins unis / changed logo for 2010??

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 10:52 PM by luke Highlight this comment 155

Listen up, yall. I jogged by the 7th street entrances at 4:30 pm today. No Louvres, unless my eyesight is going bad. I'll check again in the morning.

Also, the ballpark ninja has confirmed a photo visit to Target Field, but it will probably be closer to the completion date of the park.

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 11:30 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 156

what are louvres?

Posted on May 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 157

They are the wood paneling that will go over the circulation ramps on both 5th and 7th. I'll most likely trying to sneak some pictures tomorrow before security catches me, unless they got another stupid event down at the Target Center like they always seem to do.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 12:01 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 158

It would be nice to have a webcam installed in my pressbox area so the fans can see the interior take shape over the final few months of construction.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 12:29 AM by HerbCarnealPressBox Highlight this comment 159

It would be nice to have a webcam installed in my pressbox area so the fans can see the interior take shape over the final few months of construction.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 12:29 AM by HerbCarnealPressBox Highlight this comment 160

Voicing support for the password.

Moose

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 07:33 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 161

Agree with this password deal, it may even cut down on people posting under celebrities' names.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 07:52 AM by Pikachu732001 Highlight this comment 162

Yeah, that'll be great.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 08:07 AM by Brad Pitt (aka DuluthTim) Highlight this comment 163

I like the password idea as well.
click my name for a Star Tribune article about "upgrades" to Target Field coming on the Twins' dime. I don't understand the part about the hi-def scoreboard...we already knew it was nine times bigger than the one at the Dome. It's not like they're installing a different one than planned.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 08:36 AM by luke Highlight this comment 164

luke,
It's one of those a-ha moments which the Twins only release to the REAL media. So say it along with me..."A-ha, I already knew about that scoreboard."

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 08:40 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 165

Gotta love the message boards on the strib article.

Guy 1: Your dumb we need a roof
Guy 2: No your dumb and put on a sweatshirt sissy
Guy 1: Your dumb
Guy 2: Your dumber
Guy 1: No your dumber
Guy 2: Your dumberer
Guy 1: Your dumberest

(Intentionally using the wrong 'your' of course)

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 09:32 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 166

All of the "new" things are not new to anyone who reads this blog, or watches the webcams. What a surprise that there will be a party deck on top of the Admin building... No one could possible have seen the steel frame that is already installed for the roof...

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 09:51 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 167

yea i guess i don't get this announcement. all of these upgrades were already made public last year.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 09:56 AM by tim Highlight this comment 168

i call dibs on my name so no one can steal it.

dick and bert are actually one of the better duos on tv. get an mlb.tv package and watch a full game with other announcers; it's downright horrid.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 09:58 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 169

I have a question about the rooftop party deck. Is this going to be something an "average" fan is going to be able to afford, or is it going to be for the rich as well?

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 170

Love the password idea, there are to many Mazaratirick haters out there!

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 10:51 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 171

Kev - I wondered. The article seemed a bit odd to me. It was one thing with the MN Wild and the Xcel Energy Center ten years ago. The Wild had ponied up some cash for some major enhancements to the arena (I believe the ribbon boards were part of it, they were pretty new back then) - so...why on earth they waited this long to publish that info...gets me.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM by luke Highlight this comment 172

looking at webcam 1, it looks like in the lf bleachers the steps are in, and the holes for seats have been drilled.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM by BB Highlight this comment 173

here are some photos that i took on wednesday and friday of this week. enjoy.

i could not believe how amazed i am every time i see the field in person. i seriously will have an "a-ha" moment each time i get within 100 feet.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 174

What a terrible first game at new yankee stadium.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 175

Sweet pics AC, I like that shot of the bats on the plaza.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 176

The Twins just sent a set pics via e-mail to all the season ticket holders. One of my buddies forwarded the pics to me. Did any of you season ticket holders (Maz??) see the same of pics and can you post them here as well?

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 1:34 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 177

Thanks for the pics, drove down there this morning and of course, they have some stupid dinosaur thign going on, wanted $9 for parking, sorry guy's without sponsership its not worth it. Tried snapping some pictures while driving around the ballpark didn't turn out well though. Louvres are NOT in place, no clue where that came from, but the do have some supports for the walkway from the A ramp to target field. I have a feeling that it will not attach directly to the ballpark but instead will be a staircase coming down right next to the stadium, otherwise they'll have a lot of work to do. Looks like its about 15 feet off the ground for those who are curious.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 1:40 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 178

I'm a season ticket holder and haven't seen any pics yet from the Twins today or in the last week. If I get them, I will post.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 179

jfh, What's your e-mail? I'll send them to you

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 2:06 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 180

Great pics AC thanks for the post

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 181

According to a season ticket friend, these are the pics the Twins just released to season ticket holders only. Click...I hope it works
AC's pics were much better!

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 182

NOPE, I'll need to send them to someone via e-mail so you can post them.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 2:53 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 183

AC - great pix.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 2:57 PM by luke Highlight this comment 184

Someone remind me again, why do we still have Punto? That moron's at bat the top 8th inning was pathetic! 3-1, with 2 outs and the idiot swings a pop-up and gets the Yankees out of jam. Pathetic!

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 3:03 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 185

Was down at the site yesterday. It's really taking shape. I didn't have my camera with me, but annoying customer's pictures pretty much cover it. Except the mini lighted Christmas tree atop the 5th St. facade. Good to know the workers are having a good time with this.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 3:04 PM by David Highlight this comment 186

That's right Matt, terrible first game at NYS last night...And it looks like the bullpen is trying to match it with another stinker today!

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 3:08 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 187

Kev, wow guess I should not have said first game, I should have said first series.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 188

AC those pics are awesome, it's so new and shiny some of those pics almost look computer animated

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 4:01 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 189

sorry dudes i did not get any pics from the twins

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 190

Rick, what about setting up usernames for people, kind of like message boards. We create a username and password, and then it logs our posts and we can have avatars, and stuff like that...not telling you what to do, just a suggestion.

I LOVE THIS SITE!

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 191

No louvres yet.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 4:55 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 192

My vote on passwords is that it's nice to be able to just show up and start posting like I have this week...great site.

Interested if anyone has a seat selection update or can post a map with the green/yellow/red sections showing.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 193

Let me make that...my vote on setting up usernames. I think the simple password solution is great.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 194

just makin' it official

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 195

Why can't we win in New York? And you know the yard is unnaturally tilted to right when the Twins out-homer the Yankees.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 196

awesome pics annoying, thanks

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM by dubay's crackpipe Highlight this comment 197

A small bit of trivia/general interest - although most of you probably already know this: Sept 30, 1981, the Twins ended their tenure at the Met against the Kansas City Royals. Oct. 4, 2009, the Twins end their tenure at the Dome...against the Kansas City Royals.

AL Central rivals I know, but good grief...some things never change.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 198

I was a little bit apprehensive when the designs for target plaza were first released but now that its being built it looks great. The bats, planters, and the wind veil as well I'm sure, all come together really nicely and fit with the feel of the ballpark.

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 199

Not fair I didn't get the e-mail. :(

Posted on May 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 200

Can anyone explain why the section in the view level nearest the rooftop party deck doesn't have a fan entrance/exit/staircase on the far right side (see LF upper deck for what looks "normal")? Are people really going to have to shuffle across 30 others to get to their seat that's on the far edge? Sucks if you buy a beer from a walking vendor. There may not be anything in it by the time it gets to you after being passed by all those people. Or what are the odds of all of your money making it to the vendor? This must be one of those "a-ha" moments. Or maybe "Oh crap, I have to walk past all these people to get to my seat?" and "Oh crap, I have to walk past all these people to get to the john?" Cynical thoughts, I know. But really, it just looks awkward and out of place without a staircase on the far right side. While I understand the model of TF is not an exact replica it shows a half-section of sorts on the end in that area.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 04:39 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 201

Link talking about rooftop seating at Target Field...interesting. Is this the design feature that Rick eluded to?

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 09:50 AM by Josh Highlight this comment 202

link doesn't work josh.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 10:24 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 203

chuck in ak,
yes it looks awkward right now, but there will be an aisle on the end side of the section which is why the section looks so fat, if that makes sense. just like there is the aisle on the other side. plus, it looks as if a small triangle section will be added to the top.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM by BB Highlight this comment 204

Has anyone determined a "bad seat" at TF yet? Of course, they won't be nearly as bad as at the Dome - but is there one part of the ballpark that STH's would like to avoid??

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM by luke Highlight this comment 205

I know some places I would avoid would be the last seats right against the admin building down the left field line, also maybe the lower level of the homerun porch. You wont get much sun, and the chances of catching a homerun ball are slim to none, with the upper deck hanging over the lower deck...

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 206

BB,

It looks like there may be a final aisle (with stairs right along the admin building), BUT I don't see any structure that would support that final triangle piece. There is nothing on the final raker beam that would indicate any tie in, and no holes in the roof of the concession areas that would indicate further structure to come. I think what is in place is it.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 207

So...We have a nice start by Kevin Slowey today. This means one thing. This game is bound to be blown by the bullpen much like the previous 2. Who is going to blow today's game??? Let's start guessing...I have my Maalox on Matt Guerrier.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 208

Is anyone concerned about the availablility of walk-up ticket availability at TF? I always wonder if the Twins will have to put a cap on season tickets - a la the Wild - just to have some seats available for general public sale.
On the other hand, I think the Twins right now have 11,000 season ticket holders (not sure, but I think that's right) and if each STH bought two tickets each (not unusual) that makes 22,000 seats at TF unavailable, and leaves about 18,000 for the general public. Not too bad...just a curiosity question.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM by luke Highlight this comment 209

No Luke...I'm not worried about walk-up tickets not being available. If this team carries this current bullpen of clowns to the new stadium, there will be plenty of seats available.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 210

Mijares is trying hard....really hard to blow it...C'mon Muchacho...hit Jeter's bat...Put an end to this horrible trip to the Bronx already!!!

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 211

Damn...we won't see Jeter this inning.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 212

Why doesnt Nick Punto just change his name to Pinto? He's about as reliable as one.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 213

Okay, it's Jetertime!!! C'mon Jesse serve him up a big fat juicy one!!!

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 214

Thatta boy Jesse!!! You were one batter too late, but you certainly served up a nice fat juicy one to Damon!!!!!

There's simply no reason whatsoever to watch this team after the starter has been pulled...NONE!

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 215

Based on the fact that they have already put the end cap on the upper deck stadia in left (webcam 2), I would say that the triangular section has been scrapped. It's a good move since there would have been serious obstruction issues from left field to center field because of the admin. building.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM by Steve in FL Highlight this comment 216

It looks to me, that the "fat" section out there in left field is all one section - section 327. Apparently, at least according to the 3D seat thing, it's all one section, but there will be an aisle going up, leaving a little triangular section there by the admin bldg, so it looks like it might be a split section, similar to what they do in Toronto, where the stairs are in the middle, and seats 1-9 or whatever are off to the right, and 10-whatever is off to the left. The 3D thing has it all as Section 327 though.
I could be wrong, but looking at the 3D thing, that's my perception of what they're doing with the "fat" section.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 6:57 PM by luke Highlight this comment 217

What's also weird is that the pricing diagram (click my name for a link to Rick's article "All About Levels" which had the diagram) does not seem to suggest that left field section as it appears in the 3D selector.
Maybe it'll be a surprise.

PS - I've checked out www.seats3d.com, the Ballena Technologies site that does these 3D seat selector things. Apparently, there will eventually be one for TCF Bank Stadium as well. Have no idea when that'll be. All it says on the link is "Coming Soon".

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 7:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 218

To comment on the question as to whether the Twins will keep some seats for general admission - other than the sections that were previously listed as not being available for season ticket sales (Pavillion, Overlook, Right Field Bleachers) it doesn't seem that way. There are a few rows in Home Plate box that were reserved prior to seat selection - my guess is that those were "pre-reserved" for 40 game plans (which opens up the possibility that a full season ticket holder could get worse seats than a partial plan holder, which doesn't really seem fair).

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 8:05 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 219

I'm very confident the triangle piece in left field has been scrapped, the seats are unavailable for seat selection, and when you click the section next to it, it shows the seats terminating their, just as it does in real life. As for walk-up availability, it's hard to say how many tickets they sell ahead of time, I think especially early you will have to buy them online to get in, but realizing many of the season ticket holders have partial plans like me and maz, there are even more seats available for the rest of the fans.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 220

I think I've heard also that the Twins will not carry over General Admission seating in the new ballpark. Matter of fact, I don't think too many new ballparks do have GA seating. Usually that's for the cavernous places, a la SkyDome, Metrodome, or past caves such as Three Rivers or Cinergy Field. The closest thing I've heard for a new ballpark is the Skyline seats at Turner Field in Fatlanta. I believe those are G/A seats (correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were G/A)- for one dollar - day of game only. I've also heard that Flex 40 will not carry over - Flex 40 holders will convert to two 20-game packages at TF.

Slowly I think the Twins have been gearing people up for the realities of ticket pricing categories in a new ballpark. And the one that really sucked is when they made the Samsung Home Run Porch tickets at the Dome assigned seating (previously Lower G/A).

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 9:18 PM by luke Highlight this comment 221

Here is the link again for information regarding rooftop seating. My last link worked fine for me so hopefullythis one works for everyone. Can someone let me know if they try it. Thanks!

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 10:23 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 222

The link still doesn't work...

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM by Tom OG Highlight this comment 223

Try clicking this link for the article...

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 10:51 PM by Tom OG Highlight this comment 224

Sorry for the triple post, but the fire pit IS still being contemplated...awesome!

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 10:55 PM by Tom OG Highlight this comment 225

Actually, it looks like Flex 40 will carry over, but only grandfathered to those that already have the flex plans. I got a postcard a while back, but just announcing the plan to keep flex, not the details. (I have both a flex and a full season plan)

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 226

Thanks Tom OG, not sure what the problem was.

Posted on May 17, 2009 at 11:50 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 227

i am glad the home run porch is assigned seating now rather than general admission. i refuse to sit in general admission areas because i don't want to have to show up hours before a game to get good seats only to see them commandeered when we go to get food.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 07:16 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 228

Looks like the big crane is going to be dismantled today.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 07:37 AM by Steve in FL Highlight this comment 229

Has anyone been paying close attention to the flag on the plaza? I've been trying to keep track of where the wind has been coming from since they put that flag up and so far it seems like the wind is blowing in from the plaza more often than not. Interesting...

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 07:53 AM by kumbaya Highlight this comment 230

Goodbye big crane. We hardly knew ye.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 231

Goodbye big Crain????? WHAT? Did we finally dump that POS relief pitcher????

Oh wait....You said CRANE.......DAMMIT!

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 232

Sorry, no pics, but:
Limestone install has started on the fence behind home plate!!
It looks exactly like the stone in the L/F corner on the admin bldg.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM by J2K Highlight this comment 233

still 2-2 in the Top of the 10th.

We're gonna be swept by the Yankees, aren't we?
Good grief.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 234

just looked at Webcam 1, limestone behind home plate is confirmed.
woohoo!

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM by luke Highlight this comment 235

Uh luke, your watching the replay from yesterday, game doesn't start until 6:05

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 1:52 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 236

Oh God...thanks Camden.
I haven't been feeling well today. Little under the weather.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 2:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 237

Uh Luke, you might want to sit the next couple plays out.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 238

They should have put another party deck on top of the metroploitan club!

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 239

They have been working on the right field wall today. It appears that they're just painting it again, black this time. Does anyone know what kind of finish material they will eventually end up with? Will it be a dense padding or are they just going to put on 50 coats of paint, each one being a different color?

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 2:36 PM by Steve in FL Highlight this comment 240

I'm sure they will find another use for the stone as a right field wall covering and skip the padding. That's the big surprise they are keeping from us.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM by poppy Highlight this comment 241

Twist cones, anyone?

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM by Steve in FL Highlight this comment 242

Does anyone have any update on how seat selection is going this week? Is it open over the weekends or is it weekdays only?

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 4:18 PM by Twinsfan Highlight this comment 243

nice slideshow. love that Minnesota-shaped gate handle. I'm really loving the details so far. I also really like how the canopy support "v" shapes is echoed throughout gates, railings, etc.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 4:21 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 244

I 'spose that should read are echoed. yay grammar!

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 245

Also it is really hard to see how the virtual view matches up with the real thing. I can't really figure out where the limestone will be behind home plate.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 4:29 PM by Twinsfan Highlight this comment 246

That was a great slideshow by the MBA. Lots of fun watching the details start to come together.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 247

I a bit disappointed they are using the flat stone for the Out Field wall. I would have loved to see the bounces off of "naturally" cut stone.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 9:00 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 248

thanks Steve. what intrigues me, is the "Future Plaza Seating"...are they eventually going to extend out there?? Or will they be like benches and stuff to sit around before the game?

Twinsfan, it's very simple, click my name for a Flickr photo from PNC Park (not mine, just one I found) that should illustrate for you in graphic detail, how the limestone will work behind home plate.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 9:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 249

i figured out what the problem is with the twins after this dreadful series of giving away wins in new york. we really need to take up a few more roster spots with quality "locker room guys" like redmond, buscher, punto, et. al. because you know those kind of guys really bring in all those runners from scoring position don't they?!

ughhhhh.......

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 250

i'm hoping the twins front office quits patting itself on the back for fronting some additional money for the park. a little more appreciation to the general public for contributing the majority of the funds would be nice. i'm just feeling a little salty after these four games in new york.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 9:55 PM by tim Highlight this comment 251

Amen fellas. The press releases from the "talking heads" about how thankful they are for the significant contributions from the Pohlads are a bit ridiculous. They are gonna be printing $$$....

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM by Max Highlight this comment 252

Great update. The MBA really seems to be picking up the slack for the Twins. The last bone they threw us was a couple of cellphone pics.

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 10:05 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 253

One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the money from the Legends Club membership fees - $2K per seat for most of the level, $1K for the outer four sections. That money supposedly goes for ball park improvements. I don't remember the number of seats, but that's another $5M-$6M easy. I wonder if that is counted in the club's "additional contribution"?

Posted on May 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 254

When the Twins play in NY or Boston I have begun to write off those games as loses. I consider any win there as a bonus. Otherwise I cannot handle when the bats with RISP go silent and the Ayalas and Breslows du jour serve up meat.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 07:50 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 255

Twinsfan, it's very simple, click my name for a Flickr photo from PNC Park (not mine, just one I found) that should illustrate for you in graphic detail, how the limestone will work behind home plate.

Posted on May 18
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Thanks, that helps. Do they do the annoying TV added banner ads there? It seems like that wall is narrower than most, and doesn't seem like it would make for a good background for those ads.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 08:24 AM by Twinsfan Highlight this comment 256

did anyone see this? nice views of petco from this charity promotion they did there yesterday. from the link you can only view thumbnails but they had a golfer hit a ball into Petco from a nearby building with the stake being free lettuce wraps for everyone at PF CHangs. he made it, but I haven't found out where to print my coupon up yet. you might need a good wind to land one on the plaza from the $hitstack.

i'll be there for the Padres-Cubs on Friday.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 08:32 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 257

I know the twins logo is going above the score board, but that looks like a good spot for the two guys shaking hands across the river

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 09:42 AM by twinlves Highlight this comment 258

I emailed Graff's Turf Farm after the Target Field turf segment was aired on Kare11 with a couple questions that were brought up on this forum. Not all the questions were answered, but this is the response I got.

Thanks for inquiring about the new turf for Target Field. We are very
proud to be able to work with the Twins!

We are growing a seed blend of several different Kentucky Bluegrass
varieties that will provide a very green, aggressive growing turf to
provide an optimal and very safe environment for the baseball players. It has been growing on our farm since last summer and will be sent to Minneapolis later this summer. Once we harvest the turf, we will re-work the soil and get it prepared for growing another crop.

Thanks for your email!

Marti Vocke
Marketing Director
Graff's Turf Farms
1-800-280-TURF

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 09:45 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 259

also, another large piece of canopy is in place, looks like just the small point section is left to go up

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 09:45 AM by twinlves Highlight this comment 260

mplsgreg: Please post your full report on Petco Park when you return (food, stadium experience, must-do or see around the park,etc). I am headed to San Diego in early June and it would be much appreciated.

Just got back from Dallas where I attended 2 Rangers games over the weekend. Just happened to stay at the same hotel as the Umpires (and 2 Twin Cities natives were working the series in Tim Tschida and Jeff Nelson). It was a real nice retro park in the mold of Coors Field and Camden Yards. I thought it had a lot of character albeit in the middle of vast parking lots. We sat about 10-15 feet from Nolan Ryan and Rangers owner Tom Hicks on Saturday who chatted with former Baseball HOF President Dale Petroskey during much of the game. No signature food item, but lots and lots of variety. It was nice to be able to walk up and have a GRILLED dog or bratwurst straight off the grill. We were incredibly impressed by how friendly everyone was. From the ushers to the security personnel to the people in general, everyone was really terrific. Is this a Texas thing? Usually I probably wouldn't notice something like this, but it was uncanny how friendly/outgoing people were. Sure is pleasant when you have been to Yankee Stadium or Comiskey Park. It was a good trip down to DFW...

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM by Max Highlight this comment 261

I know Arlington kind of gets a bad rap for its design, but there is something about it I just like, character is a good word. As for the nice, from everything I've heard the people of Texas are really great. They like to live a simple life and family and friendship is very important to them.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 262

i went to petco park two summers ago and it was fantastic. i sat upper deck on the third base line farther out but the view was still great and i believe they were priced reasonably (my parents bought them for us seeing it was a family reunion event).

on monday i get to see my first game at jacobs (progressive) field.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 263

My recommendation is to pay the $10 to take the Petco park tour. The visiting clubhouse is really nice, and getting to visit all levels of the Western Metal Supply building is cool...A great park indeed.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 264

mplsgreg, I'll be at Petco on Saturday. Enjoy, it's a fun ballpark in a cool neighborhood.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 265

Max, the people in Texas are the nicest and most polite people in the world unless you step on their property. We pride ourselves in hospitality

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 266

I've never been to Texas, have no desire to. People from Texas seem to be extremely cocky and I hate the Cowboys.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 2:05 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 267

been to Texas several times. that cocky attitude is what I expected, but I was pleasantly surprised. Took 5 weeks and drove all over, loved just about all parts of the state. Lovely people, great cities - the only part I didn't like was Houston. too big, too spread out, too hot!

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 268

Sure is a little weird to generalize about a whole state based on...um...not sure what.

There's a transplanted Texan running the board of a non-profit I'm involved with. Smart guy. Nice guy. Cool guy.

So I'll just assume that all Texans must be smart, nice and cool.

Well, I guess there was that one shrimpy guy. What was his name? Shrub? Could my assumption be wrong?

(I don't think he was really from Texas anyway.)

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM by Rick 269

When I think of Texans, I think of people like Red McCombs.
But there is one Texan I extremely like... Adrian Peterson! :)

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 3:21 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 270

When I think of Minnesotans, I think of Carl Pohlad.

OH SNAP.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 3:52 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 271

Pohlad was born in Iowa

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 8:50 PM by twinlves Highlight this comment 272

THE STARS AT NIGHT,
ARE BIG AND BRIGHT....

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 273

Anyone have a seat selection day this Saturday, Sunday or Monday?

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 9:32 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 274

I don't think so, I don't pick till July 1st.

Posted on May 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 275

i'm curious how much these seats will be

Posted on May 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM by pawelk Highlight this comment 276

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I would put on this face.



Field access on the visitor's side






Integrating the administration building was really a great idea. Actually, there will be more things inside than just offices, but that will probably be some sweet space.



A little more imaginative is the circulation building for Northstar.



Sue Nelson, and her organ, in one of the Twins Pubs



Here's a quick look into the layout of the Metropolitan Club.















One of the many supports being built over the tracks.



This is what will count as a knothole (actually, it's a gated entrance)









Concept drawing for the fan/player appreciation wall. (Click to enlarge.)



A timeline of design and construction of the ballpark. (Click to enlarge. Photo by Tyler Wycoff)



Directly above gate 6 "Oliva" on the Club level.



This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of the main entrance. This is what you'll see as you enter by coming down Sixth Street.






Concourse ceilings (from the Ballpark Authority's May update)






From the roof of the Minnekahda building (courtesy Bruce Lambrecht).






A little higher angle shows how the two stations are close to one another but distinctly separate. The oval, glass-enclosed area is the entrance from the Northstar platform below into the ballpark. The LRT platform is comparable to the other stations along that route.



No admittance -- yet! Note that you can see the seating bolts which are in place already.



The reverse angle shows that the signage will only partially obscure views from the top of the ramp. The wall is pretty high up there, so you'll need something to stand on, but it appears that this is one of the so-called "knotholes".



Steps, skyway, and plaza intersect.



Yes, it's pretty tempting to just walk right in...






A cold afternoon in 323, but we had our trusty Twins blanket -- made by my mom when Noah was born.



Back of scoreboard; facade in context.



Another deck to come...



This maze of scaffolding is something you'll probably never see again.



Terrace Level



Site of the proposed new Atlanta Braves ballpark. Look familiar?






Now, THIS is just some guy who appears to be hanging out on the LRT tracks talking to himself.






Click to see the whole page from this 1971 program.






One thing that the design disguises nicely is that the Pro Shop (and other key components) are actually built over lanes of freeway. That can clearly be seen here.



The same section seen from Target Center. Yep, looks like bridge supports.






Looking for some detail






Through the windows of the Metropolitan Club you can see one of the displays of Met Stadium memorabilia.



Another look at the outfield stands (Photo by Tom Sweeney, Star Tribune)


Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

Selected Bibliography - Analysis
 


(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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