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July 29, 2009 12:23 AM

My email box was still buzzing while I was down after wisdom teeth removal. Here are some of the goodies.

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Dan Kenney provided this alternate shot of a walkway behind the view level


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Here's a correction: The LRT platform will actually be able to load outbound trains from both sides.

I still have a couple of questions pending about these items, so I expect to have more to say on each of the photos above.

Next, a quick flag pole update.

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JohnW provides this shot of a construction barricade on First Avenue


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Here's the barricade in context at the end of the walkway

I swung by the Legion in Richfield a few days ago, and the old Met Stadium flag pole is still there in all its 100-foot glory.

My contacts there tell me that one scheduled removal date came and went with no activity, and another has not yet been scheduled.

While the flag pole represents barely a dot on the "i" of Target Field, it sounds like all parties have put in a lot of effort to make this special connection to Twins ballpark history happen.

I'll let you know when I have more details.

Last week was the 75th anniversary of the truck strike and labor riots which took place in the Minneapolis warehouse district. More specifically, the riots were centered around two downtown locations.

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The first of these was the labor union headquarters, located at 215 South Eighth Street (now occupied by St. Olaf Catholic Church). The second location, the city market, was much nearer and dearer to our hearts because it was on the block now occupied by Target Plaza.

Here is a picture of the National Guard on duty on Second Avenue North at North Sixth Street (the corner where Target Center, Butler Square, the B ramp, and Target Plaza all meet). The buildings in the upper right of the picture occupied the block where I-394 now roars, and above which we will saunter to baseball games next summer.

Channel 4 did a short retrospective on the anniversary last week (which was overshadowed by the 40th anniversary of the moon landing). It also includes mention of another restaurant closing in Block E.

And, before I forget, our friend Shane was featured last week on the WCCO news talking about the new web site dedicated to the history of Memorial Stadium.

The site is way cool. Budget a fair amount of time before clicking here.

Thanks for stopping by today, and for keeping the discussion interesting while I ice my cheeks for another day or so.

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Thanks so much of the pic of the view level stairs. This is much different than I had imagined it. I get the design to try to keep the upper concourse open. However, I'll say I'm mildly disappointed at 20 stairs up to a catwalk, and then going up from there for those of us in the view seats. I'm sure the tradeoff was either a closed concourse up top, or a third concourse up top, both of which I am sure would have been rejected. I'm sure its just something we'll get used to.

Mind you, I'm only thinking of my own personal comfort as I try to balance a pork sandwich and a beer back to my seats, as I'll be doing tonight.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 07:09 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 1

It is my understanding that the "catwalk" is only being used to go over the warming areas. Looking at webcam 2 the last stairway to the view seats appears to go directly from the concourse to the opening in the stadia.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 09:40 AM by pnb19 Highlight this comment 2

I am not sure if anyone put this up yet but there are some very nice pictures here on the MN Ballpark Authority site for the July installment. I didn't time it but I think the slide show is about 3-4 minutes long (there is no way to pause it that I can tell). I especially like the panorama pic at the end. My mouth is definitely beginning to water!

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 3

Looking more closely at some of my old pictures it does look like there is a ramp leading to the "catwalk" on either side of the warming huts. These disappear further down the line once you past the huts. Nice pictures Rick.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 4

Wow .. they are really making good progress on the seats in the lower bowl as of late

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 5

I've updated the article with a couple of other tidbits I collected last week.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM by Rick 6

Rick - hope you're feeling well. I had all four wisdom teeth removed a year and a half ago. And I also went 4-for-4 on dry sockets. WORST TWO WEEKS EVER.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 7

You should have changed your name on that post to The Tooth Hurts.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 8

Dee Pee,

You can pause the slideshow by right-clicking and then de-selecting the check mark next to "Play". Also, if you want to save the pictures (and are using Windows) just press the PrtSc ("print screen") button at the top middle/right of your keyboard.

COME TO THE SEVILLE TONIGHT FROM 10-1:30!!!!!

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 9

Wanda: Are you dancing? Give us a clue what you look like. May have to stop by after the Twins finish off the Whiteys...

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM by Max Highlight this comment 10

Anyone else wish that there would be ivy growing up the batter's eye behind the evergreen trees? It would be a very nice touch...It just looks so plain to me right now, like the batter's eye in Pittsburgh...

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 2:19 PM by Tom OG Highlight this comment 11

Sweet! Thanks Wanda, whoever you are...

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 12

Thanks for the plug, Rick. There is a lot of excitement for the Brickhouse site. Interestingly enough, that is the second time WCCO has interviewed me about a stadium. Here is an interview about the Twins stadium:

http://www.wcco.com/video/?id=16436

Man did I ever get in trouble for that one. People actually wrote in to President Bruininks after it aired asking him to fire me. Good times.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 3:25 PM by Shane Highlight this comment 13

A couple of (unrelated) questions:

1. Why two 1B on the "all dome" team?
2. What are the odds Knobby will attend the little ceremony?

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 3:33 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 14

I believe one of the two first basemen got an "at large" bid. Meaning they were probably going to put them both on either way. I believe Justin got the "at larg", although Herbie, God bless is overweight, duck-huntin' ass, is a far cry from the Slugging Canadian.

But I guess World Series trophies produce endorphins.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 4:05 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 15

Rick, Watching the video of the flag pole, I noticed you attracted the attention of every dog in the neighborhood.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 4:17 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 16

I wonder if maybe Morneau won the vote but the Twins - for whatever reasons - just could not leave Herbie out. I don't remember voting for a fifth infielder. Someone please clarify.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 17

The team needed a dh anyway, so who dh's morneau or herbie?

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM by ManBearPig Highlight this comment 18

I believe I heard that Hrbek got the most votes but they just couldn't leave off Morneau because he got a ton too. And I believe they put Molitor as the DH.

Giants traded Alderson (#4 Giants prospect) for Freddy Sanchez.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 6:44 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 19

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that Morneau received more votes, but it's hard to leave off a guy whose face adorns the large curtain out in the second deck. But I have no idea. I really have no problem with any of the All-Metrodome team selections. And I'm glad people recognize how important Knobby was to Twins. Even if he is a weirdo.

And dang. I would have really liked Sanchez. But Alderson is pretty highly praised. And the Pirates don't have to pay any to the Giants. That's a good deal. We probably couldn't have topped that.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 20

Nope, we couldn't have topped what the Giants offered. In fact, I know a few Giants fans that are pissed that they had to give up Tim Alderson.

I think Freddy Sanchez is Brendan Harris with a higher batting average. Not much power, not much speed. Definitely not worth trading a potential #2-3 starter.

I'd still like to see us land Orlando Cabrera, but seeing how much the Giants had to give up to receive Sanchez, I doubt Billy Beane would let us "steal" Cabrera.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 7:36 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 21

There was a rumor that the A's wanted Valencia.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 8:00 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 22

The A's did want Valencia, which tells me Beane is a complete idiot, and no wonder the A's are attracting only 3-4k a game.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 10:04 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 23

I admit, I don't know the farm system the way a lot of guys do (by choice after getting excited about Terry Tiffee and Boof Bonser) but I can't see dealing a guy who is as touted as Valencia for a VORP neutral middle infielder like Cabrera...

I was disappointed on Sanchez, but if they were asking for the #4 prospect... he's not worth that for what he brings. However, they need to figure out how to get Matt Capps from the Pirates.

Posted on July 29, 2009 at 11:19 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 24

Orlando Cabrera has been touted as clubhouse cancer. I don't want him anywhere near the twins dugout.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 09:04 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 25

I don't know if I ever got an answer to my question about the flagpoles above the HRP stands in left field below the scoreboard. What flags are these flagpoles intended to fly?

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 09:23 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 26

What're you, a John Lithgow preacher character, PNB19? I say everyone must cut footloose.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 09:30 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 27

According to my Twins rep, the Twins will start taking deposits on 2010 season tickets on Aug. 24.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 10:07 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 28

You're going to be hard pressed to find a bigger Giants fan than myself. I follow the team religiously... (I grew up on the west coast)

The Freddy Sanchez deal is a great example of how the Twins and Giants are at different ends of the baseball spectrum:

1. The Giants make deals. They have to pay for their own stadium ($20 mil per year mortgage) and they know keeping fans interested and buying tickets is vital to keep $ coming in.

2. The Giants want to win. Not that the Twins do not, but both teams have great farm systems... only one gives up prospects to try to win NOW.

I love to know that "my" team is working hard to improve. Garko isn't the most amazing upgrade, but he's better than Ishikawa. Sanchez is a huge improvement. Also, the Giants already have 2 top ten pitching prospects in their system, as well as a rotation full of young talent.

The Twins don't do things "the wrong way". They just do it "their way". As a fan, I love seeing an aggressive move now and then. Sabean has missed at times (ie Nathan-Lirano deal), but his overall track record is very solid in SF.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 10:24 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 29

I hardly see the Giants as a model organization. They've been pretty two-faced regarding Bonds, and for a team that really wanted to win, they sure don't know how to infuse ANY power into that offense. Garko and Sanchez are minor improvements, and they gave up their #2 and #3 pitching prospects for them. Sure, they have Lincecum, and Cain has been better this year than he ever has, but what beyond that? Sanchez isn't that good, Johnson is done after this year, and Zito's contract is the biggest albatross in baseball.
The Giants are the worst kind of team to have to cheer for. They're stuck in that middle ground, where they're good enough to compete, but not good enough to win a World Series, and while they've got some young players, they've surrounded them with old, washed-up types. Edgar Renteria and Randy Winn aren't going to beat the Phillies or Dodgers.
Aaron Rowand shouldn't lead off, and no Molina should ever be hitting in the four spot. And now they've mortgaged some killer pitching to try to win with that.
In any case, Kung Fu Panda is the greatest round, swing-at-everything player since Kirby.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 11:03 AM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 30

Hater! Ha... Classic Twins fan.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 31

In my opinion OG Jeff, you have to considered that the Twins have just lost Slowey and possibly Liriano for some time. The Twins could not afford to give up much in terms of pitching from either their starting rotation or their farm system.

Also, I would be extremely upset if the Twins were willing to give away their top prospects, in an already thin farm system, for Sanchez. Sanchez isn't worth the trade for Valencia or Hicks, which were some of the names that were brought up.

The Twins just could not have matched the prospects that the Giants offered. Sanchez would of made a difference, but not worth it in the long for what the Pirates wanted.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 11:48 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 32

Dan,

It's not yet known exactly what will fly on those little flag poles. Click my name for the image of them in the animation.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 11:57 AM by Rick 33

Webcams are down. Maybe there's a TF heist in progress!

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 34

I'm still interested in the amount of foul territory at TF, does anyone have a definitive answer on that, and compared to other parks? Thanks

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 12:28 PM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 35

Second least amount of foul territory to only Wrigley Field.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 36

twins territory,

thanks, i have read that too, but every source that i read that at I cannot really trust, so i was kind of looking for the location of some official size measurements.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 37

Papi too? It only makes sense when he took off like he did in Boston after leaving Minnesota. The 2004 series is turning more and more into a blemish for Boston. This really is getting disgusting.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 38

Can anyone HONESTLY say that the news that David Ortiz tested positive is shocking??

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 39

I'm not surprised. He has a gigantic head. I'm waiting for Pujols to get nailed. He seems unnaturally large. :-)

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 1:06 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 40

I am not surprised actually. Just sad more than anything else. We were all so damn bamboozled there for so long with all of them. At least, as people brought up on the comments section of the Strib, that the Twins are vindicated for getting rid of Papi.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 1:11 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 41

My theory on the view level "catwalks" is that they are needed more on the first base side because it appears the concourse is simply less spacious than on the 3rd base side. If you look at web cam 1, you can see that most of the consessions buildings on the 1st base side of the view level have "notches" cut out to make room for the verticle stadia/canopy supports. When they were completing the 3rd base side, I don't remember seeing as many of these "cutouts" in the consessions structures, leading me to beleive that side is a little more spacious than the 1st base side. This is likely due to the proximity of 7th St. just below the 1st base side. You can see from web cam 2 that the view level stairs on the 3rd base side do not require the "catwalk" configuration.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 1:32 PM by CedarRapidsViking Highlight this comment 42

I heard Dave St. Peter say it when the Twins played in Chicago. I'm not aware of any measurements out there although it'd be cool to see comparisons.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 1:32 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 43

after the game last night we went over to TF for a short tour, its been a year since my last one boy does it look nice the concorses are HUGE! and the view of downtown is great at night... we took like 3 pics and i hope to get them from my buddy this week but i was in lala land but we had to be quick...the "herc side plaza" is bigger than i thought and can hold alot of people...sat in a seat down the 3rd base/outfield side.. there just the backs and arm rests but it was cool none the less..stay tuned for pics... i did not have my camrea this was not planned but my buddy had his crappy one...

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 1:56 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 44

Are we to assume trespassing laws were broken last night?

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 45

the key difference between target field and wrigley field in terms of foul territory is that target field won't have the bullpens in foul territory like wrigley does rather they will be in the outfield. so that in my mind - and i think the players minds - will make a huge difference in terms of being able to field foul balls at target field.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 46

regarding maz - we are to assume two things:

1.) trepassing laws were broken

2.) large amounts of alcohol were also consumed beforehand.

;-)

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 47

am i the only one who can't wait for the bullpens to get moved? every time i see morneau chase a foul pop i'm terrified he's gonna mangle himself on the bullpen mound...

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 48

Maz, you are the original ninja. Can't wait to see those pics!

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 3:32 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 49

Beta,
1) no comment

2) of course....

Truth hurts,

lets not think negative, ...

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 3:43 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 50

Thanks Rick, I just didn't know if I had missed an answer to that along the way. However, just curious if there are any theories about what might be on them (AL team names?). I didn't count how many are actually there.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 3:57 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 51

I also took a tour of TF yesterday but it was the one sponsored by the Sencible Land Use Coalition. As the event attracted well over 150 folks, tours consisted only of the first leval due to time constraints. I got the chance to sit in one of my seats for next year (in the right field corner) and it should be a great location to watch a game. I was struck by how "small" the park seams to feel compared to the HHH. I found out there will be a smaller pro/retail shop just inside of the LRT gate, they plan on hosting kids games on Target Plaza, wheelchair/handicapped seating areas on the concourse will have great views and will be the most in MLB, the Metropolitian Culb has a great large pannel made up of the same colors that were on the brick walls of the old Met and there is still no plans yet for a team history spot or HOF either on site or at the Ford Centre. Back at the open house reception after the tour I had the opportunity to view displays by Mpls city planners, the MN Ballpark Authority and a few contracted consulting firms. Mpls is in the middle of an update to the ballbark area's zoning regulations. A draft of these changes can be found on the city's website. All in all, I had a great time!

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM by Sammy from the Midwa Highlight this comment 52

I think the Twins are going to end up writing the book on handicap accessibility for a ballpark - folks in wheelchairs are going to have better seating options here than anywhere in MLB

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 53

I'm sure most of you have seen the new Marlins computer renderings-but oh my gosh am I glad we in the Twin Cities are not getting a piece of crap like that thing.I am like all of you guys -a baseball purist who thinks outdoor baseball is the only way to go, but I was nervous for a while that we might get something like that. I hope someday I can meet some of you guys and experience a Twins game together.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 4:20 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 54

The Ballpark Authority has the July monthly meeting minutes up. Click my name for the link. The information listed below is what I found most interesting from those minutes.

MBA staff continues to meet with the City of Minneapolis and representatives from the Minnesota Twins on the Transportation Management Plan to develop plans for pedestrian and traffic movement around the ballpark. The TMP is in its final draft and the City of Minneapolis Public Works Department has committed to lead the event management committee.

Discussions continue on exterior signage and way-finding improvements beyond the ballpark footprint. Project Partners are working to finalize scopes on district improvements outside the ballpark. Work continues on finalizing scope around 7th Street by HERC. MBA staff is also working with Hennepin County on 3rd Avenue now that there is grant money involved.

Target Field will have 820 disabled seats as compared to the Metrodome’s 190 seats.

The Ironwood e-pay (a renewable resource) shipped from South America is drying in a kiln in Wisconsin.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 55

I don't mean to sound insensitive but are there that many handicap people going to baseball games? Are 5 times as many handicap people going to show up and buy tickets because we have the seats now? I'm all for it if it's previously been a problem in the dome or elsewhere but I just don't want it to be like those stores that have 20 handicap parking spots that are all empty.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 56

Seeing them work on the sub-field brings up a question - does anyone know where the batting practice cage and other such equipment will be tucked away? I'm assuming the infield tarp will be rolled up just past one of the dugouts, as per usual.

I also wonder where the clay/dirt for the infield base paths/pitcher's mound/home plate area is coming from. Groundskeepers are anal about these things - when they were building new Comiskey (or whatever the hell it's called these days) the groundskeeper had the infield dirt dug out of old Comiskey and reused in the new park. He wanted to make sure it was the same stuff, with the same effect on ground balls, etc. There was a great article about it, and groundskeepers in general, in SI about 10 years ago - click on my name.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 57

Wow - 820 vs. 190. I didn't like the wheelchair seating at the dome -they are good views, but positioning wheelchairs in there seats was so difficult.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 5:35 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 58

Eric - there are probably too many, but at the same time, for the first time to my knowledge a fan in a wheelchair will have access to every level of seating at a ballpark...

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 59

CJ - That is right.
Rick - You should write a piece on accessible seating.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 60

See the link for what Twins fans can look forward to for next year regarding weather forecasts.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 6:09 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 61

Eric - spend a few weeks in a wheelchair and you might think differently. Been there, done that. The options at the Dome for those who are mobility impaired are HORRIBLE. I don't know if the Twins have gone beyond what is required by the ADA, but it is nice to see that the options at Target Field don't relegate the handicapped to second-class status.

As for large numbers of seats going unused, I suspect the Twins will do what most clubs do and open most of the remaining seats to the general public day of game.

I'm more worried about the reverse problem - able-bodied folks buying ADA seats because they are the "best available", denying those that really need them and their companions those locations. I suspect this hasn't been a problem at the Dome simply because of the lack of seats (and I think only one Lower Club section has any ADA seats).

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 62

jfh, that's my plan...i have my wheelchair on order as we speak.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 63

Weather gal is hot, but needs a little work on her delivery...

... anybody irked by the fact that there are 800 handicapped seats vs. 39,000 regular seats needs to re-examine themselves. The Dome's handicapped seating is horrible and probably keeps a lot of people home. Hopefully this gets more disabled fans to the games. Having been in a wheelchair for a few months after a bad accident gave me a whole new perspective on just how poor accessibility is for the disabled as a whole.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 8:42 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 64

In case anyone is interested, Coors Field has about 1000 ADA seats, so that's about the same percentage as Target Field will be, so I suspect the Twins are pretty much following the ADA requirements.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 9:00 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 65

Funny video. She actually says "...at the Metrodome" immediately before giving the sky conditions for the game.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM by Rick 66

The ADA requires that at least 1% of the total seating capacity will be used for handicapped seating. Target Field and Coors Field offer twice as much handicapped seating than is required by the law.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 67

jfh, I knew someone would take it wrong. I did not mean any disrespect and as I noted I did not know if what the dome had was normal or not. the only thing I'm going after is the fact that I've been to a bunch of ballgames(mostly astros) and I think I've seen one handicap person there(not that I've been really looking for them). I'm sorry for sounding rude I just thought that a 450% increase sounded high but I guess it takes us from really bad to acceptable. I was also going by the parking spot concept in which I for some reason never see anyone ever parked there. sorry again, plus I spent 6 weeks on crutches which is pretty horrible.
Rick that video is pretty funny, I'm not sure if she's a professional or not but she's not very good.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 9:27 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 68

Eric - don't worry about it. I didn't take it as disrespectful. I'm sure many thought the same as you. As for the folks you've seen, remember that not everyone that needs ADA seating is in a wheelchair. :)

Bottom line is as you say - we go from really bad in the Metrodome (which also restricts some folks just because of the steepness of the stands) to Target Field that will be state of the art and exceed requirements.

Posted on July 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 69

So my wife was lucky enough to chat with Nathan and Guerrier last night... she asked them which bullpen they were going to choose at TF, and it sounds like they'll take the back one. They commented that they were a little disappointed how small the bullpens were. They said the design reminded them of Angel Stadium, except less spacious. Then again, anything is better than the hump dome.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 07:52 AM by Brian Highlight this comment 70

I'm guessing you didn't have to worry about leaving your gal alone with Guerrier. With his aim, he'd end up with his d!ck in the nightstand.

(drumroll)

Thank you, folks. I'll be here all weekend. Try the veal.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 08:51 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 71

ok, that was just plain funny......

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 09:51 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 72

LOL...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 73

Brilliant!

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:16 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 74

The Orlando Cabrera deal is still alive according to ESPN's Buster Olney. No mention on which prospects we would have to give up.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:18 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 75

I cant believe the progression on the seats this AM, when i left the office this morning, they were still on the a section of seats in the lower deck, and when i checked again a minute ago, another whole section has been put in on the 3rd base side! Simply Amazing!

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:50 AM by JoJo Highlight this comment 76

Speaking of weather, this is something I put together a few weeks ago...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:51 AM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 77

Breaking News!!! Cabrera is a Twin

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 12:27 PM by Strongred Highlight this comment 78

Yawn. BS made it to keep the players happy. As a fan, it really doesn't show me anything. He's a minor upgrade for 2 months. Personally, I don't know if he'll affect our chances at the playoffs at all. He'll be gone at the end of the year. He's crappy defensively. If someone said to you at the beginning of spring training that we had signed Cabrera, would you have been excited? He's 34 and just a fill-in for the rest of the year. We made a trade, but was it more to improve the team or to keep the players from revolting? I'm in the camp for keeping the players happy.

Ladendorf wouldn't have been up here for at least 3-4 years according to Seth, but he's supposedly one of the top 15 prospects in the organization. For all the talk going into the draft this year about how bare our minor league system was of middle infielders, I'm trying to figure out why you trade away one of the better prospects there. You couldn't give up a pitcher or an outfielder?

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 1:07 PM by ML Highlight this comment 79

If the only trade made is to acquire Cabrera, I'm not sure that the players are going to be happy about this. The bullpen has been a problem for over a year and no serious moves have been made to address that.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 1:16 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 80

Cabrera = Lamb/Boone.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 1:23 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 81

I realize it's not much but it appears that the guys wanted him, and it's better than not doing anything. I figure thats what we would've ended up with in past years.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 1:37 PM by Strongred Highlight this comment 82

I agree with Bradford Wellington McEvers.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 1:38 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 83

I'm glad I'm going to the game tonight so I don't have to listen to Dick'nBert blather on endlessly all game long about what a HUGE deal this is and how much he brings to the team. Sorry folks but he's yet another temporary rental from the dust bin. Here's hoping I'm wrong!

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 1:46 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 84

Last I checked....Cabrera doesn't pitch.....WE NEED A PITCHER BILLY!!!

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 1:52 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 85

any chance the Twins are in the Heath Bell derby?

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 2:12 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 86

ML, you think he's crappy defensively!?! He's won 2 gold gloves!

He has 116 hits and is hitting 280, he's a huge upgrade over Punto (Tolbert, Casilla). Plus he's been on World Championship teams. If you're looking to win this year, you have to look at this as a good pickup.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM by Jon Highlight this comment 87

Its a upgrade.. let him play short, move b. harris to 2nd and if crede can play more than 1.5 games a week then thats a decent hitting infield... but yes it does read major trade...but this as good... judging by the last few trades billys stupid ass has made we are lucky he did not trade mauer for orlando....

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 2:33 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 88

and send punto or casilla packing.... we only need one of them and right now looks like punto is the man cuz he can play everywhere....

yea a .280 avg vs a .190 is a upgrade no matter what you say.. and he makes just a lil more than punto

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 89

Reports are that the Twins are very interested in Bell. Angels and Dodgers seem to be leading with the Twins in third. Reports say the Twins are trying to add a reliever in the last 30 minutes.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 2:37 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 90

ML, you think he's crappy defensively!?! He's won 2 gold gloves!

Dude, Gold Gloves, really?

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:09 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 91

Bill Smith = EPIC FAIL

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:17 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 92

what kev in az said

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:34 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 93

It doesn't sound like the Twins got any pitching help at the deadline. This is big time trouble as the bullpen and starting rotation were desparately calling for reinforcements. I know waiver wire deals are still a possibility, but the ever penny-pinching Twins are unlikely to take on somebodys overpriced salary to do so (otherwise other teams are likely to put in claims to block a potential waiver deal in August)...

IMO Heath Bell would have been a terrific addition. I know his stock was potentially at an all-time high, but the guy would be NASTY in the 8th inning setting up Nathan and would be under team control thru 2011 I believe. The list of highly touted prospects who have flopped or not lived up to the epic expectations is incredibly long....

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:35 PM by Max Highlight this comment 94

Yeah, Dude, Really.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:43 PM by Jon Highlight this comment 95

Yes. Two (2) Gold Gloves.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:49 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 96

Peavy to te Pale Hose? May not mean much now but in '10?

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:54 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 97

Looks to me like the Tigers and White Sox stepped up in the race for the AL Central while the Twins treaded water per is usual in a half-ass move to placate the masses.

How long is Peavy under White Sox control for? Man Kenny Williams is a great GM...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 3:56 PM by Max Highlight this comment 98

Peavy has an ERA around 4.00 in the NL....Odds are he gets torpedoed in the AL next season....Besides, we'll have an awesome Billy Smith offseason....I'm not worried!!!

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 99

I just checked the Whiteys have him thru 2012 for 56M and thru 2013 for another 18M if they pick up his option. Seems like a lotta ching. Glad the Twins have a lefthanded heavy lineup...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:08 PM by Max Highlight this comment 100

I like the deal. We traded a guy who was just promoted from rookie ball for a 2 time gold glover who's hitting .280, and a much needed bat in the number 2 hole in the batting order. What is there not to like. Geez, ya got give something up to get something in return. And this is a steal imo.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:11 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 101

Not so fast on Peavy. First, he won't pitch before the first week of September and it's 50-50 or worse that he'll pitch this season. They have $74 million invested in him, and their attendance has been hurting.

Plus, as mentioned, he had a 4.00 ERA in the NL which is widely considered a pitchers league. He may be good for them in the future, but he may be a huge failure. To say they stepped up in the race (at least in '09) any more than the Twins isn't true.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:17 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 102

The most promising deal of the day for the Twins.

(Victor Martinez to the Red Sox!)

Now the Sox won't be pushing as hard/or at all for Mauer in 2010 if they have Martinez in their lineup. Which now only leaves the Yankees as potential Mauer Stealers.

If that's the case, The Twins will have to counter with at least the same offer as the Yankees and put it in Joe's court to make the decision to leave. If they undercut it, and try for the hometown discount and he leaves. They might as well implode Target Field.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM by Jon Highlight this comment 103

In regards to the trade. I think the Twins did okay, plus I think that they also got cash in the deal too. It can't get worse than Punto or Harris can it. I was really hoping for a starting pitcher, that is what I thought was needed the most.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:22 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 104

On the webcam right now it looks like something fairly large has spilled in the left field-box seating area. Anyone have any idea what it could be?

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:49 PM by ace Highlight this comment 105

Harris ? Harris is fine. Got an arm like a cannon, has better range than people say, and is dedent hitter that doesn't seem to go into long slumps.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 106

Starting pitching at the deadline is crazy expensive... I'm fine with the Cabrera deal, it addresses a need, but the Twins likely didn't even have the prospects to get most of the pitchers available...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 107

Guess you gotta hope that's just water from somebody cleaning something. (It first appeared about an hour ago.)

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM by Rick 108

I think you're right, Rick. It just caught my eye at first glance.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 5:04 PM by ace Highlight this comment 109

CJ: Not true. It is simply a matter of valuing your prospects to protect your future instead of "going for it" THIS year. The Twins are notorious for overvaluing their own prospects. I do agree that being a SP buyer at the trading deadline is not for the faint of heart. Teams often request a kings ransom and get it from some desparate GM. The real problems are in the winter months when Billy and Terry have sat idle watching other teams attempt to improve their deficiencies..

The system is flush with guys who are attractive to other teams including but not limited to Anthony Slama, Jeff Manship, Rob Delaney, Aaron Hicks, Ben Revere, Rene Tosoni, Angel Morales, Wilson Ramos, Kevin Mulvey, Deolis Guerra, etc. etc. The Twins also have a few guys on the Big League squad who were being asked about in trade chatter...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM by Max Highlight this comment 110

So it would've been okay to overspend to get Freddy Sanchez, but not okay to get Cabrera?

They are almost the exact same player except Cabrera has more speed, and Sanchez will hit for a slightly higher average. The biggest difference though is that SS is considered a premium position compared to 2B. When was the last time the Twins had an above average SS, Greg Gagne?

From what I've read and heard, most of the 'experts' think the Twins made a very good move. As of now, I agree.

We could still find middle relief help on the waiver wire, BTW.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 6:04 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 111

Max, you can say the Twins are unwilling to give up prospects, but even big market teams were. Take for example Heath Bell. The Angels and Dodgers joined the Twins in not making a deal because San Diego wanted so many prospects.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 8:07 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 112

I like the Cabrera deal mostly because it's the polar opposite of the last deadline deal the Twins made.

In that case, Luis Castillo was sent to the Mets to clear the way for, cough, younger talent. But it took the wind out of the team's sails.

In this case, there is simultaneously a talent upgrade AND a sense of putting some wind into the team's sails. I bet the clubhouse is pretty happy about this. (They would have been happier with additional news of pitching, but you can't have everything.)

Add to this the fact that all Smith had to give up is some prospect I've never heard of, and I have to say, "Well done, Bill."

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 8:35 PM by Rick 113

Tyler Ladendorf isn't even ranked as a top 30 prospect in the Twins system according to Baseball America. Another reason why this is a good trade for us.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 9:22 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 114

Great game tonight....good thing BS didn't shore up the bullpen with anything....we sure as hell don't need them as evidenced by tonight's game....

Oh, what's that I see....never fear Twins fans...Jesse Crainwreck is coming in.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 115

Completely agree Kev in az. The only move that BS made was demanded of him by the players and fans. We also needed pitching ignoring that will cost the Twins.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 116

He's worthless....completely worthless....forget about giving BS kudos for the Cabrera deal...any idiot would have pulled the trigger on that deal if all they had to give up was a no-name minor leaguer. Good for us that our favorite idiot pulled the trigger on that no-brainer of a deal. Keppel? Worthless.....Crain? shave that turd off of your lower lip and loosen the ugly noose that you wear around your neck, maybe you wouldn't choke so much.

The closest that Billy Smith should be to TF next year is the HERC plant, unloading garbage from smelly trucks.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:01 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 117

It can't be easy to be Gardy these days, but why send Keppel out there in the 11th? It looks like a white flag.

Don't Crain or Dickey look (marginally) better in that spot?

And I hate seeing Nathan in the 10th when the score is tied.

Of course, you can't really blame this one on the bullpen...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:08 PM by Rick 118

Kev,
Enough with trying to be polite, tell us how you really feel...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:09 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 119

agree with rick, Keppel was a white flag move...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 120

What is Gardy supposed to do??? Can't blame it on the bullpen???? um, leadoff, 4-pitch walk to start the 11th....yes yes, I should say this loss is on the bullpen.....

don't like keppel starting the 11th? Crain not a good option either?....well, who stocks the bullpen???? BILLY FUCKING SMITH!!!

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:14 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 121

I'm just saying that there was lots of time without any offense...

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:17 PM by Rick 122

Rick, you know I love ya, but 5 runs should win you a game if you have decent starting and relief pitching....at this point, we don't.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:18 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 123

Oh yeah, I'm right there with you on the 5 run thing. But the bullpen only gave up 1 run -- before the 11th!

I guess my original point should have been: Wouldn't it have been nice if Gardy had another solid reliever to allow the bats another inning or so to wake up? (The bats, however, seem to have opted for hibernation after the 4th.)

Unfortunately, the patch for this year's pitching sieve was probably more than a single transaction away. But I'm definitely with the crowd that wishes we'd seen something on that front today. That's probably the feeling in the clubhouse right now too.

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM by Rick 124

Especially after that six-run 11th inning. Holy Toledo! By the way, do really need the profanity here? I know people are frustrated with how thing are going lately, but these aren't mere slips of the tongue. We're typing, for crying out loud. We CAN control our reactions to things, can't we? We do have that much self control, don't we?

Posted on July 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 125

ok, winona...

the dang bullpen couldn't hold onto a flippin lead if it were handed it with a friggin vice-grips. what a bunch or horse-pucky.

is that better?

Posted on August 1, 2009 at 12:31 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 126

winona....are you the church lady or something?????

Posted on August 1, 2009 at 12:33 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 127


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