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August 22, 2010 1:15 AM

The look at the Legends Club is going to wait a day because, despite today's final score, I got some fun pictures at the ballpark this afternoon.

The sky was high.

Our tickets were out in the Grandstand, or should I say "on the surface of the sun".

Those two empty seats in the front row are where we started the game.

Despite being only 80 degrees at game time, the dew point (whatever happened to "relative humidity"?) had to be around 79, giving a "feels like" factor in direct sunshine somewhere around the same point where baseballs spontaneously combust.

Inexplicable bright yellow baseball amid the trees.

OK, perhaps I'm exaggerating just a little. Great problem. Seriously.

But we weren't the only fans who decided that standing behind three or four rows of people on the main concourse was preferable to sitting in pools of our own -- or our neighbor's -- sweat. (This I am definitely not exaggerating about.)

4th inning in the thinning crowd of the Grandstand.

4th inning in the nearly deserted Home Run Porch View Level in left.

Typical standing room crowd which started early and lasted the entire game.

Packed SRO beneath the notch.

But this is a long way of saying that the whole standing room thing has gotten completely out of hand. On the main concourse, we couldn't find a single spot where we could stand even in the second row of people and see any part of the infield.

We eventually abandoned the attempt on the main concourse and retreated to the upper concourse.

Spaces at the rails were nominally easier to find up there, but something about these views has changed.

Typical SRO view upstairs.

I had to hold the camera as far over my head as I could to get this shot, in which the infield is finally visible. It's a spot made for your average Timberwolves player.

So I noticed a pattern that I had not discerned earlier. When standing room is directly behind the standard seating, it's great. When it is set back by a row of accessible seating, it's decidedly less great.

In addition, the Twins have done a great thing by adding painted blue lines to indicate where the accessible seating area ends. (Michael Sack of Two Men On alerted me to this change a couple of weeks ago, and I promised him I'd get a picture. Click the link for an interesting interview with Gardy.)

The blue line now indicates where the back of the accessible seating ends and standing room begins.

I wish I had better notes on the subject, and I don't have time to ask the question of someone who would know for sure, but I think rails have been added behind accessible seating where there were none when the season started. (I also remember reading somewhere that they were going to do this, though I can't find the link now, of course.)

In other words, in the SRO views pictured above, I think it used to be possible to stand much closer to the back of the accessible seats, and therefore get a better -- i.e. complete -- view of the playing field.

Michael told me that he'd heard about complaints from people in accessible seating that they were feeling crowded by those standing behind them, and the blue lines are a simple and clever solution to that.

It's really a necessary and great improvement for the accessible seating. I'm not complaining about that. But I think it has fundamentally changed the value of the SRO areas just off the concourses.

Even if that isn't the reason for the change in view that I noticed today, there's no question that SRO options have now been discovered by just about everybody in the place, and it has become much harder for people like me -- i.e. the short -- to find a suitable place to stand. Ultimately, we kind of lost track of the game for not being able to see it. So much for the much-ballyhooed 360-degree view of the field from the concourses...

Eventually, however, we made our way around to those abandoned seats in the upper deck out in left and, in addition to being able to see the action again, we discovered something wonderful:

5:45 PM, section 327, row 9, standing: sunshine.

5:45 PM, section 327, row 9, sitting: shade.

The shadow of the admin building begins to reclaim these seats as the afternoon wears on. In fact, this is the first part of the outfield seating which goes back into shadow after being in direct sunshine.

And, contrary to my original estimation, the big board is still a very useful source of information even from up there. (As an aside, I saw only advertising and out-of-town scores on the big board embedded in the right-center wall. No replays.)

Big board, as viewed from section 327, row 9.

As the game wore on, and the score became gradually more lopsided, and the hometown team began to look like they were laboring (I think this was the slowest moving game I've seen this season), I shifted into simple enjoyment of the ambiance mode. As always, there were lots of interesting sights.

Near the end of the Angels' 4-run second inning.

The flowers don't have quite the fullness depicted in the original sketches (where they were positively overflowing), but they are quite lovely -- a great, subtle touch. And that's probably a very challenging place to grow anything.

He'll always be a fan favorite, but did you know that he's making $18.5 million this year? The Twins' entire outfield today, combined, makes $7.45 million.

In interviews in the past couple of days, Torii has taken partial credit for getting TF built. Does he deserve it? Yep. At least I think so.

Seventh inning sing-along.

Denard Span ready, in a swoop of sunlight.

The shade of the canopy gives way to a brief shaft of light. It would do the same again a short while later when the sun passed through that tiny open sliver between the View and Terrace levels.

For the final few outs, I was sitting in the Left Field Bleachers for the first time. Folks had started abandoning the proceedings, so there was lots of extra room. It was pretty comfortable, though I wondered how roomy it would be if everyone had stayed. The view was great.

It immediately reminded me of this one spot near my house in Powderhorn Park, where you can often see a game in progress. The view is strikingly similar.

The Little League World Series, also being played this afternoon, sprang to mind. Clips from those games are such happy sights.

This amazing game of baseball has many shades, doesn't it? Say what you want about any other sport, but nothing else occupies the same spot in our collective psyche as the Great Game. It scratches an itch in the soul and mind which is unique.

Among other things, it sparks that little place where, no matter what happened today, you know there is a game tomorrow, though obviously some days are easier than others.

His body language might as well be the box score.

After the game, a long parade of people came up to take pictures of themselves, and since I'd decided to just sit for a while and watch the place empty out, I was drawn into service taking those pictures.

Lots of self-portraits were taken here after the final out.

As usual, security guards took up posts ringing the grass, lest someone leap out of the stands for a stroll. Their presence is a concession to the modern game, I know, but it's hard to get too deep into a pastoral mood while they are there.

So I was a little surprised when, after 10 minutes or so, they moved off, and there was simply the unobstructed green grass. Then, all around the perimeter of the park, the self-portrait frenzy also gradually subsided.

But I noticed that people were still hanging around. Lots of people. Way more than might be, say, waiting for a train, or a parking ramp to let out.

What are they doing? I wondered. They're just sitting around. Watching the grass grow, or the other fans, or the grounds crew which had started watering down the infield dirt and warning tracks. Watching the shadow of the canopy elongate so slowly, until it finally cloaked the whole playing field. Finishing beers and scorecards. Listening to the music, and the little conversations everywhere. Laughing out loud, despite a rather unfunny final score.

Why are they doing that? Wait -- why am I? There's the answer, I suppose.

I asked an usher how long she would wait before starting to shoo people out. "I'm about ready to start," she replied with a dry smile.

I took my time, but started moving toward the stairs.

The walk back to my car was casual, slow, cool. Conversations bubbled out of smiling faces sitting at tables set on sidewalks all along the way.

The sun was no longer any sort of annoyance, and with it now at my back, my mind was free to pick through the salty detritus of a great day at the ballpark.

I think we'll resume the tour of places tomorrow. Thanks for including this site in your day.


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An excellent review of your day. On the SRO issue, aren't there tickets sold as SRO? Shouldn't SRO spots be reserved for those who bought SRO tickets?

Listen, I don't have a problem with those who wander around the ballpark, trying to get a good feel for as many areas of the ballpark as possible, especially in the first season or two the park is open. However, I think people who have SRO tickets should be able to get good access to SRO locations. However, I'm guessing that many share similar experiences as what happened to you today. How would you react if someone is sitting in the seat that you bought a ticket for? I wonder if SRO buyers feel the same way, even though they can't really do anything about it.

If I were making the rules, I would have someone walking around SRO areas. If someone is in one spot for most of the game, check to make sure their ticket is SRO. Otherwise, go back to your own seat. At the very least they can find a different SRO spot.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 02:04 AM by Klomp Highlight this comment 1

that was one of your best posts in a long time! Not that they haven't been good lately, they have!...but this one got me feeling all "field of dreamsy" like they used to - circa opening day, grass installation, finishing the structure of TF with the pine tree on the beam, etc.

Anyhow, nice work. I enjoyed it a lot. Tomorrow I'm going to waltz over to Wrigley to see the Braves beat on the Cubs with their newly acquired 1st baseman and the Cubs recently departed 1st baseman, Derrek Lee. I've always rooted for the Cubs since moving to Chicago - they are the sworn blood enemy of the Sox after all, and as long as they weren't playing the Twins, that is - but the lovable losers are quite the latter this year. Hopefully I'll be able to enjoy a game at one of baseball's truly awe-inspiring green cathedrals the way you enjoyed today's game. And hopefully, after the game at Wrigley, I'll stroll over to Goose Island to watch the Twins dismantle the Angels in the rubber match!

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 02:04 AM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 2

Perhapss folks were waiting around for the parking ramps to empty. Maybe they were hoping the light rail line wouldn't be as long if they waited longer inside the park, as opposed to standing in line out on the side walk. Maybe they were, for the most part, first-timers who just didn't want their day at the ballpark to end too soon.

I think that could be the most poetic answer.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 03:42 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 3

I sat in the 4th row of the left field bleachers last Friday, and your last picture illustrates the problem I had with them: your feet end up being at back level of the person in front of you.

While this may not seem like a huge issue if you're keeping track of where your feet are planted at all times, but during a brief flurry of activity(or the up and down of people trying to get by), it's very, VERY easy to kick the person in front of you. Oh that poor woman in front of us. And if there's spilled liquid? Forgetaboutit.

...yeah, we ended up kicking her, twice, and immediately apologize profusely. I think another small bar going the length of the back of those seats would solve the problem, but I have no idea if anyone else has had the problem we did.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 11:44 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 4

Thanks for the pic, Rick. Great post!

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 12:12 PM by michael Highlight this comment 5

Regarding the new-found shade...I think the late summer/early fall sun cycle is setting in. The sun doesn't reflect off of the buildings around 8 pm like it used to, either. This is creating new shade spots, and some quicker relief from the sun during day games I'm guessing.

Great post Rick.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 12:50 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 6

I've sat in the wheelchair seating a couple times with my dad and my grandfather and I've got to echo the problem with people standing too close to you. It was especially a problem in June when I took my dad to a game for his birthday and we sat in the accessible seating in the Home Run Porch section. People were standing literally right behind us. If I looked straight up I could see their chin. It was ludicrous. Glad to see that addressed that.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 7

Chisox lost 2 0f 3 to the Royals! Put it on the board.........YES!

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 4:27 PM by bphj Highlight this comment 8

I have a hard time feeling sorry for you if you bought a seat and then went trying to stand around and couldn't find a good view. People who buy SRO seats deserve to have the value of their ticket protected, too. That being said, I think they are overselling SRO tickets, and I'm surprised they don't have specific SRO areas marked off.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 7:08 PM by Kevin Highlight this comment 9

Another thing I wanted to email you, but I can't find a link to do so so I'll just ask here. Has anyone noticed or brought to your attention how difficult it is to see around/over the person in front of you in the 200 and 300 levels? I have sat in the 215/16 and 316 sections several times and almost literally can't see home plate because of the person directly in front of me. It has made no difference the size of the person. It leads to frequent shifting and a lot of uncomfortable leaning. The seats seem to be slightly off-set from each other, but not a lot. I've noticed it to a lesser extent in the lower thirdbase line sections. It is something very annoying and will affect if/where I renew my tickets.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 7:27 PM by Kevin Highlight this comment 10

Not looking for sympathy. Just telling the story.

And the point of the story, which I now feel compelled to spell out, is that:

1. Many people appear willing to stand five deep in the shade rather than sit in the sun.

2. The SRO views have changed since opening day. They're not as good as they were.

3. The accessible seating areas are now protected from SRO fans.

4. People buying SRO tickets should be aware that they will be competing for spots with fans who have seats but don't want to sit in the sun. Conversely, people willing to sit in the sun can probably buy SRO tix and go sit wherever they want out there.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 7:28 PM by Rick 11

Sightline issues seem to be widespread. I can't tell yet whether this is a problem specific to TF's design, or just The Way It Is.

My hunch is that there are some sweet spots and some sour spots, as with all venues.

Of course, I didn't have that problem in 315. But the railings...ugh.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 7:33 PM by Rick 12

I've noticed, sitting in upper decks in a lot of places, that if the person in front of you leans forward, resting their elbows on their knees, their head will block a lot of your view. Due to the width of the row, and the steepness of the deck, this seems to be unavoidable.
I don't know what design modifications could eliminate this problem.
Once again, the best view of the game is on your couch. We go to the games for the overall ballpark experience.

Posted on August 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 13

Sat in the Pavilion last week and those seats afforded a very clear view as the rows, while only four deep, are quite vertical in nature. This was much better than my lower level third baseline seats.

The rake is simply too shallow so I'm also leaning around to get a view if there's a taller person between me and home plate. I also feel the seats on the third base line should have been angled a bit starting with section 121.


Posted on August 22, 2010 at 10:46 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 14

Dugout Box is the way to go, but just too dang expensive.

My only concern is the pricing structure of Dugout box. Going in, I knew that ticket prices were going to go up, but I miss my Section 117, Row 3 closeness of the Dome (only thing I will miss). In order to get that same experience this year would to have upgrade from 1/2 to full season and pay 250% more than last year.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 01:12 AM by TK Highlight this comment 15

Personal feelings, I believe after this year, and maybe next year, they should rid of the SRO tickets (unless of course for the playoffs) but that might be something they should might do without. Why? Well the ability as Rick pointed out, to have an open concourse while up and getting food, etc. Get's diminished when they sell extra tickets for people to stand in the way, plus the standing areas with the heaters for spring and fall ball will benefit only those with SRO tickets if they continue this trend all the time... and those areas we're initially sold (without a roof) on people with seat tickets to be able to get up and warm up during the game without missing a pitch. It all get's lost when you get out of your seat, walk up to the concourse to warm up and someone with a SRO ticket is already there and you can't stand and enjoy the game because it's already 5 people deep... but like said, my personal feelings..

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 01:21 AM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 16

Jcm-Baseball: be careful.....the hard core cheap skates/mizers on here will throw a hissy fit if you talk badly about trying to take away their beloved standing room only (SRO) ticket SCHEMES they have concocted. must understand that their desire to be cheap when buying tickets to a sold out ballpark (and still expecting a wonderful, unobstructed standing room only view on top of it) trumps anything that us season ticket holding/paying fans desire from our experience at the ballpark when it comes to things like....oh say.....getting around the main concourses, utilizing the heating elements we were promised, etc. without having to constantly fight through SRO ticket holders clogging up everything and standing where they are not supposed to.


Posted on August 23, 2010 at 01:36 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 17

Where are SRO ticket holders supposed to stand? Doesn't the problem stems from the team squeezing every last nickel out of the park?

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 07:07 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 18

Was at the game last night. What a great night for outdoor baseball. I sit in the top row of the 300 level and our views are fine. I can't say I have ever had a problem with my view being obstructed and as a bonus for being in the top row I can stand up if I get uncomfortable. The only downside is the wind up there on the cold days, last night that breeze felt great.

On another note, last night was a nice 4-0 victory, but does anyone else go crazy watching the stupid baserunning mistakes the Twins make. In the second inning, we have Thome on 3rd with 1 out and Valencia up. Gardy puts on the contact play and Thome is out at home by a mile. What in the world is Gardy thinking, I love Thome, but the old man is as slow as molasses. Sure enough, the next batter, Casilla singles, this costs us a run. Then in the fourth inning, it was great when Cuddeyer emptied the bases, but then the moron gets caught in a rundown to kill the rally. While I want to be optimistic, these dumb mistakes combined with not enough quality starting pitching and a shaky closer are going to get us knocked out in the first round of the playoffs again.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 08:05 AM by Jay Highlight this comment 19

I was at the game Friday night. So far this season I have managed to see two Thome triples!

I leaned over to my friend and said "the adjective that comes to mind (watching Thome run the bases) is 'lumbering'..." She laughed. :-)

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 08:56 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 20

this is one of the best lines of all-time on this blog:

nothing else occupies the same spot in our collective psyche as the Great Game. It scratches an itch in the soul and mind....

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 09:27 AM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 21

Jay - Two things. Gardy told Miller and Morgan during the in game interview that Thome went on his own. Also, Cuddy rounded 2nd that much to ensure that the throw didn't go home so Kubel could score. Kubel was probably going to score anyways, but always take a run first.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 09:28 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 22

I just love it when people automatically play Gardy for mistakes on the field.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 09:40 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 23

You don't see people using relative humidity much these days because it's a nearly worthless metric.

If you want to know how humid it feels, the dewpoint is the best measure of that, period. Relative humidity is, well, relative.

Dewpoint and feel:

Dew point °F Human perception
Higher than 80 °F Severely high. Even deadly for asthma related illnesses
75 – 80 °F Extremely uncomfortable, fairly oppressive
70 – 74 °F Very humid, quite uncomfortable
65 – 69 °F Somewhat uncomfortable for most people at upper edge
60 – 64 °F OK for most, but all perceive the humidity at upper edge
55 – 59 °F Comfortable
50 – 54 °F Very comfortable
Below 49 °F A bit dry for some

Tell me that the dewpoint is 70, and I'll know exactly how humid it feels. Tell me that the humidity is 54%, and you've given me a worthless stat without knowing the temperature. 54% could mean it feels really humid (if it's a very hot day) or not humid at all.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 10:41 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 24

Was at the game on Saturday also. And yes even in the shade it felt kinda sticky. Course the rum and cokes helped cure that so to speak! I did also notice the ton of empty seats in the outfield. It had to be horrible out in the sun. Be nice to at least get a split down in Texas!

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 11:03 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 25

Rick - I think the bright yellow baseball is probably one of the softballs used for TC's pregame softball home run hitting contest (on Saturdays). I don't know who is in that bear suit but he can hit a softball a long way. A few weeks back he hit one (from behind second base) that looked for a bit like it might have a chance at hitting the Minnie & Paul sign. I guess all that weight lifting with Morneau paid off.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 11:18 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 26

I once heard that minor league players were put into the suit for those softball home run derby's. This was years ago and I can't say whether that's true or not, but I don't think they have the same people in the tc suit for those home runs that's in it for the rest of the game.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 12:15 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 27

One of my coworkers and I joke that the home run hitter in TC's costume is Hrbek. Has anyone ever seen them in the same place at the same time? Last game I went to TC hit 7 homers on the 7 pitches thrown to him and they were all no doubters.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 12:47 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 28

I've heard Hrbek as well, but don't know where that comes from.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 29

All I know about TC is that he (minus the bear costume) is in a softball league.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 1:13 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 30

Those season ticket price increases are not too bad, but it will be interesting to see what the single game prices are going to be. It would not surprise me to see more "premium" games added or a fourth pricing tier added.

You can still get a 20-game pack for as low as $220.00...not too bad if you ask me. Considering the prices on stub hub and other secondary markets, $220.00 is not a bad investment for 20 games at Target Field.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 2:13 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 31

Wow I would have thought my skyline view would have gone up $3.00 per game. A $1.00 very reasonable. Now I gotta see about getting down to the $21.00 field terrace seats a section down from mine. Anybody bothered by the wire from the net that runs the length of the field. Anybody have the link for seat view?

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 2:49 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 32

Does anyone know if they sell the WC seating as season tickets? I only ask because with my dad's condition, it would be a better idea than having him sit in an actual seat (Section 324 this season).

Thanks in advance.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM by StatFreak101 (Erik) Highlight this comment 33

Have the Twins released ticket prices for next season?

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM by BR Highlight this comment 34

The Twins screwed up in not going to KFAN with their local signal. Apparently they're now broadcasting on 103.7 FM, too. I'm wondering if it's in retaliation or preparation for the 2012 bid?

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 35

I'm a full season ticket holder and still haven't heard about anything about playoff tickets. Has that info come out yet?

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM by tom (aka Li) Highlight this comment 36

JCTwins, why would they even consider going to KFAN? They pay next to no attention to baseball or the Twins over there. During the White Sox series both WCCO and KSTP were doing wall-to-wall Twins conversation heading up to the games, so I flip over to KFAN to see what they have going and they are playing clips from shows earlier in the day with Barreiro talking about anything but sports and definitely not baseball.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 37

Aaron Gleeman has an article on NBC Sports Hardball Talk about our friend Hawk Harrelson. I guess Harrelson was whining about home plate umpire Joe West the entire game yesterday. Apparently, he thinks West has a vendetta against the Sox.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM by Another Rick Highlight this comment 38

2011 Season ticket info-

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM by sw Highlight this comment 39

Buffalo-why go? Because of the common complaint of signal quality. KFAN is admitting today no one can hear them downtown because of all of the interference. It's horrible to drive past the ballpark and not be able to hear the game on the radio.

A sports network is a logical first choice, and now there is a local sports network on FM. I think KSTP has moved to wall-to-wall AFTER getting the Twins contract.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 4:07 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 40

For pure signal strength, I wish the Twins had gone back to WCCO.

We were in Park Rapids earlier this month, and the local repeater was impossible to receive clearly. As the sun went down, we were actually able to pick up 1500 in the car just enough to get a sense of the game. WCCO came in loud and clear, as always.

For my local listening, however, I'd much prefer a hi-fi FM broadcast. So I'm also disappointed that wasn't part of their new deal with the Hubbards.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM by Rick 41

By the way, I just tuned in 1500 to verify that sports talk has permeated the rest of their programming. It has not. They're talking about f!@king ash borer disease.

Whenever the Twins aren't on this station, I hate it.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 4:12 PM by Rick 42

So are the Twins also now on 103.7 fm???

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 4:14 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 43

This from my season ticket rep last week:

Here are a few items that I have been getting questions on and wanted to keep you in the loop.

Bobble Heads: The remaining vouchers for your season ticket holder bobble heads will be mailed out next Monday and Tuesday.

Also here are a few important items regarding postseason and the 2011 season:

· Post season ticket info will be mailed out next week August 25th. The information will provide pricing and directions to obtain your post season tickets.

· 2011 renewal and upgrading info will be mailed out September 1st. The info will include pricing, directions on adding seats, and directions for the upgrade/relocation process.

· If you, your company, or your organization will want a suite or a group outing for 2011 please make me aware now. I will place you on our early reservation list and provide the 2011 game schedule and pricing when available for our group tickets, event suites, skyline suites, and the Budweiser Party Deck.

· One last thing. If you know of anyone looking to do 2011 season tickets please refer them to me so I can sign them up on our deposit program for 2011.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 4:46 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 44

once again rick has it right. the smart and appropriate choice for the twins would have been to go back to WCCO. best signal in the entire state/region. clear during the day and at night. WCCO puts KSTP to shame.

and did someone really suggest KFAN? please no! the idiots on that station (d-bag dan barriero, j-bag justin gaard, common man dan cole) are some of the worst on-air personalities in minneapolis. that and KFAN's signal is about the same as KSTP (i.e. it doesn't compare to the clarity of WCCO). KFAN is lucky as all hell they have the vikings on their station otherwise i could see ESPN 1500 (KSTP) leaving them in their dust when it comes to sports stations.

and no i am not some old foggie who has been listening to WCCO "the good neighbor" his whole life. only in my 30's. WCCO is just that good.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 5:58 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 45

2011 season ticket price changes can be summarized as follows:

In the lower bowl between the foul poles, and on the Legends Club deck, you'll be paying $2-$3 more per game.

On the upper deck between the poles, you'll be paying $1 more per game.

In the outfield, you'll be paying the same or $1-$2 LESS per game. The exception is the left field bleachers, which goes up by $2 per game.

No season tickets in the overlook, powerball, or right field bleachers, just like this year.

40 game holders can now access some sections of the diamond box seats. I didn't recognize any other changes. $5 first row surcharge in the upper deck remains.

I agree that being able to get a 20 game seat at $220 is still a heck of a deal. My seats are in the Home Plate View, and I'm back up to the price I paid in 2008 for upper deck in the dome (for admittedly seats that are further old seats would have been Home Plate Terrace-ish). Given the demand and the way the season is going, none of this seems outrageous to me.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 6:02 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 46

Here is the Gleeman article on Hawk. I never watch the WGN telecast, but did on Saturday night given the Twins were done. Bremer and Blyleven are heaven compared to the Sox effort.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 47

It's KFAN that is simulcasting on 103.7 FM.

Mike, if you like your rep, please email me his contact info. I may be putting a group together for next year. Likewise for anyone out there who has a rep that they like and want to reward (though the commission from my account isn't going to put anybody in Champions Club seats).

Additionally, anybody looking to join such a group (which will be in the Skyline/Field View seats), let me know how many seats/games you might want by email. I'll happily administer a group as big as we can get.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 7:10 PM by Rick 48

Kudos to the Twins for the reasonable price hikes...and a very unexpected price drop for the home run porch and grandstand seats. (Maybe they saw Rick's pictures of half-empty sections on weekend games?) The Twins could've gotten more, and they kept it reasonable. $11/ticket for the upper level is a steal. There will be very few season ticket holders dropping out, I'd guess.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 8:22 PM by (aka Twins2010WSChamps) Highlight this comment 49

But look at it this way: If you buy a ticket in the pavillion, you could never get away with going to sit in a seat behind homeplate to get in the shade. SRO tickets should be treated the same way. Those ticket holders have a right to have the integrity of their ticket protected as much as anybody. The Twins need to either cut down the number of SROs they sell, or mark off specific areas that are only for SRO ticket holders.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 8:53 PM by Kevin Highlight this comment 50

I only suggested KFAN for the new FM signal. I'd agree WCCO is way superior for one constant signal throughout the state. I was hoping they'd get it when it renewed.

It's really pretty amazing a team the caliber of the Twins can't be on FM though.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 9:23 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 51

The radio thing just seems like such a no-brainer to me if you're looking for signal and exposure. I was driving one time in southern michigan and was able to pick up the WCCO broadcast of the Wild game. Has to be a lot of money behind this (obviously)

As for the team tonight, playing a sunday night game must have drained everyone, just looked flat all around. Although Blackie had a decent night.

Posted on August 23, 2010 at 10:08 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 52

Twins treatment of 40 game and partial game package season tickets is unacceptable.
The Twins for at least 7 years sold packages to fans with the promise of post season tickets along with home opener. Along with this was the promise of maintaining priority seating with the new stadium. So for years we went along paying for the tickets in order to have the tickets for the new stadium. Here is what the twins did to reward the faithful.
1. any season ticket owner new or old was given priority over partial season ticket holders no matter what their priority number was.
2. Even after years of having us pay for tickets with the promise of post season tickets in your own seat they changed this policy to no gaurantee
of post season tickets at all for the new stadium.
3.In the advertising for the new stadium they were hardly very forthcoming with this information

They basically they had us pay for a number of years with a policy that we could expect to be transferred to the new stadium and then out of greed threw it out the door.

They certainly did not communicate in any of the adds that this was to be the case

Wonder if there is a good Lawyer out there that may wants to instigate a class action on behalf of a number of partial ticket season holders

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Pesky Reality

The alumni band sounded great.

This is a closer look at the steel work.

Looking through it, you can see the outfield pavilion (upper deck at least).

The walkway under construction in the parking lot just outside the loading dock.

Cross section diagram of the field structure. (Click to enlarge.)

This is where the plaza meets First Avenue

Construction of the stands is moving from left to right in this image.

Working on the main concourse right about directly behind the plate.

(Click to enlarge.)

Still some work to be done on the canopy.

Guerrier had tossed a ball to a fan wearing a Twins jersey, who dropped it. If you're going to wear the uniform, he was saying, you gotta make the play. The ball ultimately went to a fan wearing a Randy Moss jersey, and everybody laughed.

Many people will approace the park from this direction and it's a pretty great first glimpse. It features all the design elements in modestly condensed form, and still manages to look like a ballpark (instead of something else).

Notice that the wooden-backed club seats are now covered by a green tarp for protection from the elements.

They help create a psychological safe area along the plaza edge, and help you forget that cars are zipping by directly beneath you.

In March, we were still only imagining baseball through those windows.

Quote wall

Staircase view

Today's match-up (click to enlarge)

Grid for the ironwood louvres is in place

No griping here.

July 7, 1966 (Click to see the entire scorecard with ads)

Wrigley Field. Paradise? Not from these seats.

A last look on the way out.

The completed promenade

This gate opens onto Seventh Street from the circulation ramps, but it appears to actually be an entrance gate, rather than an exit gate. It has something of a Bat Cave feel about it because it's not a gate proper, but an area of louvers that will swing in, virtually disappearing when closed...

I finally found the corner of TF dedicated to the Senators. What a wonderful sight.

Locations for ticket machines near the Hrbek outdoor plaza


BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

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First Edition (1992)

Second Edition (2006)


Selected Bibliography - Surveys


Second Edition (1987)

Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title

(2000, large coffee table)

Original edition (2000, round)

Revised edition (2006, round)

(2001, medium coffee table)

(2002, small coffee table)

(2003, medium coffee table)

(2004, very large coffee table)

(2006, very large coffee table)

Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia


Book and six ballpark miniatures

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