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(And, no, I'm not talking about the team.)

June 8, 2010 4:09 PM

Seems we all get a little bit surly when the boys are out of town. Among other things, we start to fret.

As a Twins fan since the mid-60s, I know a thing or two about fretting. Hot starts have been known to evaporate in a stiff summer wind. Great hopes have become the victim of the Disabled List. Anticipated advantages have emerged as unanticipated debilitations. Some teams have just plain stunk from day one.

But that was then. This is now.

Click to see the whole, beautiful image. (Photo by Tyler Wycoff)

These Twins most definitely do not stink. They have off-nights, and maybe lose a series here and there when a bunch of their lifeblood is injured. They even seem prone to the occasional bad road trip.

But they certainly do not stink. And, in this era of Twins baseball, I have ceased to fret. It takes too much effort, wasted effort at that.


The beautiful Promenade has become a sea of temporary barricades. (Smoker's Row outside the unnumbered gate)

Instead, I just sigh when a line-up like this takes the field:

Span, Tolbert, Mauer, Kubel, Young, Valencia, Harris, Punto, Butera (June 6)

No less than five of those names look like automatic outs (or that could be seven if you consider current slumps). But there's something about the Thoroughly Moderne Twins, and even that line-up somehow manages to play competitively and darn near win games.

Yelling at the TV/radio/computer? Yes, I've been known to do that. Use Gardy's name in vain from time to time? Guilty. Vent to my spouse about terrible at-bats? Yep. (She listens and says, "There, there.")

But that's just part of the fun. That's the game in micro, and as soon as one contest is over, I pretty much forget it and get back to the game in macro. Fans have to be like players in that regard, or following a team could be a pretty miserable hobby.

On the macro scale, I do not second-guess those who have shown themselves, time after time, to be worthy of our trust. Does that make me a Kool Aid drinker? I leave that for you to decide.


There are some great banners on fencing down Target Way. I'm not sure just who sees them.


Roped off for the LRT crowd

Others certainly take a different approach. And whenever the team goes on the road, especially when they play in truly horrible venues like Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum (with equally horrible names), when little things go wrong it's easy to forget the macro scale, especially the baseball nirvana that awaits at the opening of the next homestand.

Because, let's face it: Even when they lose, these Twins look awesome in that mysterious emerald out on the edge of town.

Remember the pitch heard throughout Twins Territory? What an amazing day that was, April 12, 2010. (Photo by Tyler Wycoff)

I have observed that, when we don't have the calming buzz of nearby baseball, fretting can easily morph into exasperation. And that can quickly become panic, which inevitably leads to snipping. We call out everyone from the manager to the GM to the bottom of the order to the highest paid guy on the team to the pitchers to the umpires to the ball boys to the vendors and ticket guys and columnists and bloggers and commenters and anybody who makes the clouds over our heads seem a little bit darker.

It's just human nature. That's who we are.

The figurative clouds will part -- even if the real ones don't. It'll happen at about 7:10 tonight. Really.

Will you be there? (I hear that ticket prices are dropping fast as the rain continues. Maybe you'll see me.)


The lot within the lot.

Short Story #1

Today I had to make a call to 311 (the Minneapolis city services line) to report an illegally parked vehicle that nearly resulted in my untimely demise.

The clerk was very helpful (I've never had a bad experience with that service), but at one point I had to step outside to provide some information. I said, "At least the rain has let up a bit."

Without hesitation, and without a clue that I might care, she replied, "Yeah, I hope they can play tonight."

I love it when baseball makes casual appearances in life.


Secret entrance exposed!

Short Story #2

Here's a comment from j2eepgmr that you may have missed a couple of weeks ago (reformatted a bit for clarity, acronym key at the bottom):

(Quoted from a previous comment:) "FWIW concession speed is as bad in LC as everywhere else. Stood in line for 10 minutes behind one guy today while they tried to figure out change for a big bill."

I work concessions for a non-profit at TF. Love IT especially the portables because you can see the game when there isn't a line to service!

But the cash registers are dumb. They are not like the Dome where one key punch and you get the till and change. Once you get used to it it's fine but if you've never done it before its confusing as hell to figure out how to enter cash.

They are very credit card biased and register training for volunteer non-profit workers is non-existent and that is all who works those things. The full-time DNC workers are all cooking or managing the stands but they get the POS system training.

DNC by the way is a big step up from Center Plate but they take getting used to and there are quite a few bugs still.

But I think every game it's getting better from a worker POV. I haven't been a fan yet so curious to know what it's been like for people that have been a few games.

DNC = Delaware North
POS = Point of Sale

Reading this, I certainly hope that the team is surveying volunteers after events to see what the experience was like.

The inside point-of-view is immensely valuable. As a fan, knowing that they prefer credit cards will change how I do things. I'd assumed that cash was preferred since they don't have to pay fees and accepting credit cards was such a late addition over at the Dome. Wrong!

While I understand the reasoning behind letting non-profits participate in the vending, I've always thought it was a needless bottleneck. I bet there are people out there who would love those jobs, and with trained workers at all positions, both the fan experience and the bottom line would be better.

Of course, there may be some tax or other advantages in there for the team that we can't know about. But from the front line, I always feel sorry for those hapless (and some of them are truly hapless) volunteers, and then, after a moment of pity, I feel peeved at the team for making me suffer through their haplessness.


The spruced up triangle really doesn't show much connection with the ballpark.

Short Story #3

Here are three guys to welcome and introduce:

Paul Swaney paid us a visit yesterday. He is one of the founders of Stadium Journey. I visited their site to read a review of TF, and then couldn't stop poking around looking at photos and reading other reviews of other parks. Check it out. (It's the sort of the thing that I imagine BPM could become someday, though I'd stay focused on baseball.)

Tony Swann is a die-hard fan of Carleton Fisk. He's got a site, of course, and he's willing to trade ticket stubs if you've got any old Boston games that might help him fill out his collection.

Mark Satterstrom's hobby is restoring old Met Stadium seats. He's got a bunch in varying styles and conditions, and lavishes a great deal of care in matching paint color and cleaning up the cast iron. You can take a peak at his work over at Vendiamo. (Personally, I think a row of these would look great out on the Metropolitan Club balcony.)

Everybody's got their own thing, right?

I love views like this. They show just how much Target Field shimmers. (Photo by Jeff Ewer)


It's funny just how much things can change in eight years.

Victoria and I were married eight years ago this week. She was new to the game of baseball and new to the Twins. She had an inkling, but perhaps not full knowledge, of how my love for the game might come to infiltrate her life. (She seems OK with it so far.)

But I did take steps to prepare her. She's a sensitive person, and I wanted her to know what to expect. The Twins had a long history of either mediocre or downright lousy play, I told her. There have occasionally been flashes of something better, but they usually passed quickly. When the team looked good, I counseled, you should protect yourself because their history suggests they will let you down.


One half of those windows are well-used.

But look at those eight years now. She still hasn't experienced anything like what I described. You know, that sinking feeling you start to get in June, which continues to grow until mathematical elimination in September.

Instead, look at all those flags up above the stands in left field. Look at the bona fide stars we get to follow, and the bona fide masterpark we get to watch them play in! Think of all the exciting baseball we've seen, even without quite reaching the summit.

Look at the joys of being able to fret and snip about the bottom of the order while the team is nine games above .500 with the fifth best record in the majors after a third of the season has been played.

In our eight years of marriage, Victoria has come to know the Twins as a winning team, poised just on the very edge of greatness. She doesn't have any of the baggage (or seasoning, I suppose) that some of us do, but she's become a fan. (I point that out because, without her patience and support, this site wouldn't exist. How do you know that you've married the right person? I don't know. But I did.)

Now let me ask you this: Could you have even imagined the current state of Minnesota baseball eight years ago?


The finished product.

Oh, I've said it before, but these are great days to be a Twins fan.


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I will be experiencing my first Target Field Jaw-Drop this weekend. After a long drive (12 hours) from Denver, and then another 2.5 from SE Minny, I'll deserve whatever TF (and the Twins for that matter) have to offer.

Still waiting on Saturday tickets (haven't decided if we are doing the SRO route).

Section 1, Row 12 for Sunday's game.

After two plus years of following this site, I can believe I finally get the "Big Payoff"! Thanks for the build up Rick.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 4:23 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 1

Great update Rick. And happy anniversary.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM by luke Highlight this comment 2

Ticket prices did crash for a while. Got 3 tickets for $15 a piece on SH.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 4:32 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 3

You can get Dugout Box seats right now on SH for $37.50 (box 17, row 10). Face value=$79.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 4:46 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 4


We'll expect a full review!

We do have a designated photographer in attendance tonight, but if anybody out there gets something good, send it on in. I'd love to see it. (rick at you know the drill)

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 5:00 PM by Rick 5

Anyone been to the twins autogragph party before and if so how early do you need to get there to get in line for entrance?

Any help would be apprecaited.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 5:19 PM by Bruce Highlight this comment 6

When it was first announced that there was a design plan to connect the "Triangle" to the ballpark I was expecting something more. With how wonderful the ballpark and plaza were designed, the triangle seems to fit more in with the Target Center than Target Field.

Why not use the same stone, maybe a sculpture, an artistic sign welcoming fans, at least something more than what has been done. The plantings are fine, but it looks lifeless, which is a far cry from what Target Field is. Tom Oslund should help design a more intriguing and eye catching landscape. Maybe a public art project could help spruce it up. The MBA talked about possible more funding for public art around the ballpark as the years go by.

Money was probably the most contributing factor for how the project turned out. Oh well, I just imaged something better. Its just wishful thinking on my part.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 5:34 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 7

In reference to Gardy's suggestion of painting the railings, I hope they don't. Maybe a darker silver medal color, not a completely different color. The current railings are a nice contrast to the other colors and textures used in the ballpark. Also I can't imagine the maintenance that would go with painted railings would be much fun either.

I agree with another poster that it would be spectacular to see limestone covering the exposed concrete on the stadia facing the field, but that is something we will never see.

Also, I hope I will never see a net covering Minnie and Paul out in center field.

Enjoy the game tonight!!

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 5:51 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 8

Happy anniversary rick!

It wasn't a great road trip, but rock is right, no need to fret, there is always the the ups and downs--it's a long season! Let's have a good homestand!

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 6:36 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 9

It looks like some of the turf around the pitcher's mound has been replaced. When it becomes necessary to do so, do they use local sod or do they get sod from the Colorado sod farm from which the entire field came? Or was there extra sod intended for such purposes delivered when the field arrived?

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 8:27 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 10

A blessed anniversary to you and Victoria, Rick. Hope you have many many years of Twins fandom together!

And how good is it to have Joe Nathan in the TV booth tonight? He sounds great!

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 8:31 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 11

Does anyone know if the Twins are going to release any Target Field publications such as "The Making of Target Field" or "Target Field Construction" or something along those lines...

They did not like Rick's idea of a construction scrapbook, so I was hoping that the Twins themselves would at least publish a book or something that documents the history/making of Target Field.

I was hoping to buy one for Father's Day but at this point I may have to wait until Christmas, assuming the Twins would even be smart enough to release such a publication.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 8:35 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 12

Interesting bit in the Star Tribune regarding standing-room only tickets...apparently they went on sale for the first time online today.

It shows $22 which is not bad at all for Friday's game, but than again, it will actually be about $26 or so with all of those order and convenience fees you pay online.

click link

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 8:47 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 13

Jose Mijares = worthless piece of shit!

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 9:55 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 14

Shouldn't you have posted that on the last thread?

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 15

For those that are trying to remain positive...I look at it this way. Look at fans in New York, Philly, other big sports towns. When their teams win, they are there, when they lose, they are there. No fair weather fandom for them. At the same time, when their team is losing, they tear them to shreds for the sport of it. It is one way of being a sports fan. Personally I wish the home town fans here would boo the team a little more; cause I think it shows that they care about winning, and playing well.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 10:24 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 16

Re: Short Story #2 and the concessions. I'm not sure the Twins really care. As I mentioned in that original thread, if you go to St. Louis or Kansas City (examples only because I was there within the last two years), and their concessions aren't any better. The staff just is not motivated to provide a high level of service.

Here's an idea...give the employees a quarter for each ring they run through. I'd think knowing they had a bonus on the line for pushing people through faster might make a difference, and the team would easily make up the difference in increased sales, especially with the margin on concessions.

As far as polling goes, I've seen Jerry Bell walk out of the LC several times. Team officials are walking around the LC area. I think when they see a line at the concessions they probably think "business is good" and leave it at that. I would guess they don't really see how it's going because those in control rarely if ever have to actually stand in a line and pay.

End of rambling.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 10:29 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 17

Eff this! They only won by 4 when they could have won by 6! Oh how I hope this run differential doesn't come back to bite them in the ass later in the season...

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 10:48 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 18

jctwins has it right for the most part. there is nothing wrong with being critical of the local teams as long as it is well thought out and logical criticism. just wildly spewing negativity with no apparent target or legit reason is what often gets lame to most people.

Posted on June 8, 2010 at 11:45 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 19

One problem with concessions lines may well be that morons do inhabit this planet, and at least some of them go to ballgames. We had a couple with two kids in front of us - after about ten minutes they finally reach the front of the line and THEN start in with the "What do you want", "I don't know, what sounds good to you", "Maybe we should try ------------". GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 12:11 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 20

$12 a piece for two left field bleacher seats off StubHub two hours before last night's game and the clouds parted just for us on our way to the ballpark. Great night -- and some damn tasty ribs -- enjoyed by all.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 08:22 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 21

Hi Rick,
Thanks for the shout out. Nice to know I made enough sense to make it into one of your posts. I think you're a great writer. I'm not just saying to try and make it more into your posts. I really do enjoy your writing.
The volunteer issue could be an issue. Not sure how much you want to talk about it. But I think there are bigger things with that than just annoying long lines and hapless workers. The commission rates are questionable... especially when you break it down per worker/per hour. For example I worked the Gopher open house game. That was a long day. I worked 11 hours from set up to clean up. Based on the commission rate and how poorly the stand did that day I only got $35. That isn't a wage because its going to credit my debts with the organization so no FICA/MED taxes but that's only $3.18/hour. So DNC and Twins are making out quite ahead with this relationship.

Sorry I never replied to your post yesterday. I inexplicably left my computer and never returned.. hmmm.. Anyway, I was in Section 204, row 6, seat 6. They are my parents seats and they couldn't go at the last minute. So lucky me I guess. I had gone up there for the STH open house (again got my parents tickets for that) and remember noting the slight view obstruction of the right field corner. Well it was still there and I missed the Cuddy error because I couldn't see it. I suppose if I stood I could have seen it. The one time I wish the screen operators weren't concerned about embarrassing our own players.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 09:30 AM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 22

Wow. Who needs tax breaks when you can get away with paying your concession stand employees $3.18 per hour?

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 09:36 AM by Rick 23

To Mike regarding a Target Field book about the whole construction process- I can not remember the publisher or the name of the book but I just saw the info about a week ago. The definitive book on the making of Target Field is available to order from Barnes and Noble on November 15 of this year. I was so excited when I saw the ad I told my wife I want a copy for Christmas. Went to the game last night and by the top of the second inning there was not one single cloud within miles of the ballpark-just perfectly blue sky. Went with my cousin who lives about 12 miles from the ballpark in Anaheim and he was quite impressed with our ballpark- he said his buddies in California had heard great things about Target Field and that the would be very jealous.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 09:39 AM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 24

j2eepgmr-does the worker get any input on what they sell? I would imagine it's more profitable selling beer than selling hot dogs?

Also the guys that used to sell premium bottled in the stands are now selling regular and lite beer. I'd guess the worker made better tips selling to premium beer buyers than lite beer buyers? Either way I'm surprised they dropped the choice to the buyer.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 10:51 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 25

There's a row 6 in 204?

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 26

I was slightly corrected on my numbers. Someone who knows me and my alias saw my post. I really should clarify because it changes the context and tone quite a bit. Here is the information I got from my organization.

"DNC is not looking at it from the standpoint of each individual making so much money each time they work. They see it as a donation to {organization}. Once {organization} gets the money from events, they (DNC)are not involved with how {Organization} distribute the funds."

I'm protecting my organization's identity as I have always done because I am not authorized to speak on their behalf.

So the $35 I got was from my organization and that is how they decided to break it down per worker. That is still all based on the commission but DNC just pays a lump sum to the organization. So I think Rick you are still right in saying what you just did but I think it will end up being more that 3.18 hour per worker from. If I can find out what our commission was for that event I could break down what it actually was for DNC. But I want to make it clear I don't intend to slander DNC and I maybe should stop before it becomes slander. There is nothing illegal DNC is doing. I will keep working there it's a great way to pay off debts.

So its not as nefarious as I made it seem. That was a longer than normal day too but the basic gist is that DNC is saving money by doing this. A lot of money.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 27

Actually, I don't see anything necessarily nefarious either.

It sounds like DNC pays a commission directly to the non-profit organization which provides the volunteers. This commission is based on how much was sold by those volunteers, and is not related to how many hours were worked by volunteers.

The non-profits get to raise money by doing something fun. Since it's fun, it takes less money to make it worth their while. But they must be making enough to satisfy whatever they hoped to accomplish or they wouldn't be doing it. Apparently, non-profits have the option of sharing the money with the workers, which is a nice gesture.

Still, if the overall commissions were genuinely that low, in other words if the amount of the commission divided by the number of volunteer hours worked is low enough (say, lower than $6.15, which is Minnesota's minimum wage), then there is a risk that someone somewhere will start to wonder about compliance with minimum wage laws.

I'm sure DNC and the Twins are in compliance with whatever laws apply, so it may only be a perception thing. But as we all know, perception is reality.

That makes me curious to hear stories from other non-profits about how much they worked and how much they made. Anybody else out there been part of this program?

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM by Rick 28

Two things -
The volunteer worker doesn't really get a choice. You're put where you're needed. Large reliable groups usually get the biggest stands and they pretty much always get those stands. You basically sell what you are given to sell and there are indeed things that sell much more than others. The big concession stands make more money than the portables. If its hot or a good game the individual vendors can make a killing.

204 correct doesn't have 6 rows. I was thinking of my seat number when i typed that. So its really row 4 seat 6.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 29

Yes, groups that are reliable, good at keeping their place clean, etc. tend to get more spots, and more favorable ones. I know some parents who with their older children, are able to pay half or even sometimes full tuition at their schools (private high schools) by making it a regular job almost. At the Dome it was pretty hard work sometimes, in hot, cramped quarters.
Re Chad's post june 8 10:48 pm: I share your frustration. This could play havoc with our Pythagorean won/loss record this season.
Rick, I would just add to your article; sometimes a good cold drink of kool aid really hits the spot.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM by robin Highlight this comment 30

I just bought Standing Room Only seats for Sunday's game (My first regular season game at TF since I am stuck in Milwaukee) and I was wonderign if people could let me know where the best places to stand and watch a game are. Thanks for the help!

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 31

Hi Andrew, best places I have stood are right behind home plate section 112 and also down the first base line sec 107. I like sec 107 the best cause you can see the big scoreboard and entire field from there. Good luck and enjoy the game! Did you buy the tickets on line? And how much are those?

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 1:47 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 32

I predict an interesting conflict will begin to brew, which I've already been seeing (for me at least)...when I go to the can, I can't go and then get back in time to get to my seat before the next inning starts. Since I refuse to go into a section during the inning, I'd watch the rest of the inning from behind my section.

The more SRO seats the team sells, and the more prevalent buying back tickets to go stand behind the good sections gets, the more my privilege to see the game between concession/bathroom visits goes away and I yield to those that are standing there the whole game. It creates a situation where those in the best seats become a prisoner to their seats because it's the only place they can see the game.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 1:59 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 33

Shoot...that should say "buying BAD tickets..."

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 2:00 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 34


I bought them off the Twins site. $22 + service fee

THanks for the tips!

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 2:05 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 35

Andrew, I prefer behind the left field bleachers or the Captain's Deck just outside of the Town Ball Tavern. The Captain's Deck is a hard spot to get front row in though. I like watching the defense and how the play each batter different and how the players react when a ball is hit

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 3:02 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 36

Also, even though its the upper deck, I like the drink rails there, its less crowded, there is more air movement, your open to the elements more.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 37

JCT yes those standing can get 3 deep! The wife is only about 5 ft and trust me she needs the front of the standing area to see. It' don't take long for somebody to move up to where you where standing if you move that fer sure!

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 3:10 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 38

You think the Blackhawks-Flyers game will be on inside the Legends Club tonight? I hope so. Would be nice to grab a beverage and catch up on the action for a little bit.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 39

Yep I will be DVR ing that game tonight as I will be at the game tonight Coom! Did you catch the picture the Chicago Tribune put in the paper of Chrissy Pronger????? Wonder if this blows up in the Hawks face man!!!!!! Talk about stoking the flames! Course maybe a Flyer fan sent the pic in just to try and get his team fired up! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 3:34 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 40

Yahoo! A friend called this morning and he got some tickets to Friday night's game (free from his brother's employer) and I get to join him. Somewhere in section 101. My first night game at TF. 1-1 in day games so far.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 41

Anybody had much experience with the Home Run Porch Terrace area? I have left field bleacher seats to a game next week for my Dad's birthday, but after watching the bleacher area last night, I don't think his bad knee will be able to handle it.

Was thinking of selling those tickets on StubHub and buying some wheelchair seats, but torn between there in left field, where I sat last night and liked well enough, and the wheel chair seating in the Home Run Porch.

I liked the view from the bleachers, but didn't like being covered on a nice day. Early weather reports look good for next week though, so I'm tempted to gamble and do the HRP tickets.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 4:53 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 42

Piece in the Strib today about the WC seats turning up on Stubhub, etc.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 5:00 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 43

Yeah, so what? You don't have to be disabled to sit there, so why shouldn't they be allowed to resell them?

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 5:14 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 44

wc seats in 200 section best deal in park. basically terrace level seats for view level price. have about 20 games i bought online. twins had no problem taking my money. they could care less if i was disabled or not (i am not).

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 6:07 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 45

so i am paying for some random kid's private school tuition because mommy and daddy think he just HAS to go to a private schoool? when in fact that kid can and should be going to a perfectly good minnesota public school that i already pay tax dollars for?! no thanks! basically this is a way for parents to rob the public school system of students and funding which is wrong, imo.

will make me think twice about buying food from some of the private school orginization staffed stands from now on. i will just look for ones that are not affiliated with private schools orgs.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 7:33 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 46

coomdawg - blackhawks? flyers? nhl? no thanks. i barely even care about the wild anymore. the nhl is a complete and total joke. and i grew up playing hockey, so i am not just saying this from an "outside" viewpoint.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 7:35 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 47

From your bottomless well of rants. Thanks

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 7:46 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 48

I read this blog entry which, I think, started this little flap about the WC seats.

My understanding of the process is that the Twins monitor demand for those seats, holding some in reserve to more than meet the anticipated demand.

As the game approaches, if demand does not materialize, they release more and more to the general pool, still keeping some in reserve to handle last minute requests.

To me, this makes perfect sense, and seems to be quite an appropriate way to do it.

Now, based on Kevin Smith's comments in that article, they probably cannot admit that they would ever knowingly sell WC seats to people who did not require them. But the reality is that they want all seats sold, especially with overall demand the way it is.

I'm not sure this is a real issue. In fact, it's only an issue if someone who needs such seating cannot buy it under reasonable circumstances. And by "reasonable" I mean on roughly the same schedule as any other fan.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 7:48 PM by Rick 49

Not that I have great interest in seeing the game, but ESPN has blacked out Cubs at Brewers with the ESPN News feed filling the spot. Presumably they did this because the game is also on FSN North and therefore has to be blacked out in the areas that get Brewers games, but then mistakenly also blacked out the game in the FSN areas that get the Twins.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 9:05 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 50

I've been saying all along - those wheelchair row seats are some of the best seats in the ballpark.

Tomorrow I'll be in 201, overlooking the right field 'fair pole'. Looking for the sweep of the Royals!

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 9:44 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 51

Could that postgame interview with Delmon Young have been any more awkward?

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 9:48 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 52

Wow! This segment with the girls softball team is really awkward as hell too!! Lot of uncomfortable situations tonight!

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 9:57 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 53

I am taking my two sons to there first ever outdoor MLB game tommorrow so lets sweep those Royals out of town. Hopefully the weather holds up as we have a 5 hour drive to get there.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 11:00 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 54

Quick question- does anyone know the process of the Bud Roof Deck? I know we'll have to go through the public gates and head back to the deck. Once we get to the elevators do they scan our ticket? Or do they just look to see you have a Roof Deck ticket?

Anybody have a review of the deck?

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 11:22 PM by MGM Highlight this comment 55

I agree with the Delmon interview...that was just awkward and both Robby and Delmon looked uncomfortable. The "just luck" quote was hilarious too coming from Delmon.

Anyway, tonight's attendance was 40,323 -- the largest crowd ever in the short history of Target Field. Makes me wonder how many standing-room only tickets they will continue to release?

I hate bringing up weather as it is what it is, but it's not looking good at all for Friday night and Saturday. I have tickets to Saturday night and am hoping the rain is cleared out by than. At least it's a Saturday night so they could start the game at 8pm for all I care. I would not mind a late late Saturday night game.

Both Atlanta and Minnesota are off on Monday so I wonder if they would reschedule any postponed games on Monday afternoon? I might request Monday off of work just to be safe in case Saturday night's game is rained out and it gets rescheduled for Monday. I don't want to lose out on that game by not being able to attend the makeup game.

We will wait and see what happens, but either way, I just hope we don't see another suspended game.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 11:25 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 56

You have to take the elevators near the Captain's Deck to get to the Roof Deck. There is a staff member that looks (not scans) at your tickets before you can get in the hallway to the elevators. Once on top, they look at your tickets again (which I thought was odd). The view of the game up there is not very good, especially if you only have SRO tickets. It is tough to see most of left field and a bit of center field. However, if you don't care about the game, it is a great spot to hang out. They have a full bar up there and a few choices for food. It can also get warm on the deck during day games.

Posted on June 9, 2010 at 11:41 PM by FD Highlight this comment 57


On behalf of everyone on Rick's board:

Would you elaborate on your stances regarding the following:

1-) Fair Taxation breakdowns (particularly in Hennipin Co.)

2-) Why hockey sucks (you're an insider)

3-) Offensive strategies in baseball (particularly regarding private school-attending catchers who NEVER swing at first-pitch strikes)

Can't wait!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 01:13 AM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 58

ha! i love it! the song that pops into this fool from north dakota's head everytime he thinks of me is a classic from 1956 by frank sinatra: "i've got you under my skin".

i don't waste my time on you mr. north dakota hick/rube.....whichever one you prefer........hick or rube........that is

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 04:27 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 59

You just did.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 05:59 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 60

I think we should do a survey or poll of what people do at the new ballpark. Apparently, watching hockey games (in June!), drinking heavily, and "hanging out" on the roof deck already belong on the list. I will add a fourth (speaking only for myself): watching the ballgame.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 06:57 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 61

In all fairness, I've watched baseball at a hockey game. Last year's Wild home opener was the same night as game 163. We all watched on the jumbotron until the mid 9th, then almost half the crowd went to the concourses to watch on the TVs out there until the pre-game festivities started. During the game, every third person was checking the score on iphones, blackberries, etc. When the Twins finally won with about five minutes left in the first period, the whole crowd started cheering - and they hadn't even announced the game results yet - they had to wait for play to stop.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 07:30 AM by Dodgeboy Highlight this comment 62

Betaband in post #19: "just wildly spewing negativity with no apparent target or legit reason is what often gets lame to most people."

Anyone else see the irony in that statement?

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 09:02 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 63

Whats with the monsoon season? FCOL!!!!! I got tickets Saturday night also. Beautifull night at the ballyard last night! Now 4-3 @TF! Brig back the drought!!!!! Lets hope they get the next 3 games in man! And how bout a sweep?

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 09:28 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 64

Hey whats been going on here guys? long time no see...

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 09:39 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 65


Posted on June 10, 2010 at 09:51 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 66

Did anyone see this Target Field review? First criticism I've seen about the exterior. And I thought there was no way to NOT love it....

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 10:09 AM by Nate Highlight this comment 67


What I noticed about the Rooftop Deck is just how uncrowded the SRO area becomes as the game goes on. I'm guessing most people just walk around inside the park and stand elsewhere to see the game, which means I was able to walk up behind Row 1 on the deck(at an acceptable distance, of course) and see most everything except for the left field wall. It wasn't as bad as I had anticipated.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 11:04 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 68

Target Field controversy: Click link.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 69

Interesting and thorough review, though not much in the way of new insight. It covers all the basics, and offers an assessment very similar to what we've seen pretty much everywhere.

The dislike for the exterior is curious, but everything is subjective. TF doesn't look like any other ballpark on the outside, so that may have played into it a little.

Poking around the site, I do have to wonder if Joe Mock (the author) is a professional ballpark traveler -- and how I can get that job!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:16 PM by Rick 70

How is that people don't understand that, yes, those seats are WC first, but when they aren't purchased they are no longer WC seats, they're just seats? It's not like the Twins are selling them to the public all willynilly. Anybody that needs them, gets first crack, but do people really expect those seats to go empty every game?

90%(number completely out of my ass) of those WC seats would go unused every damn game if the Twins didn't open them up to the general public at a certain time. To get over this misconception, the Twins should change the name of the seats from WC rows to "Acessible Seating" or something like that, because obviously people can't get over the fact that people not in a wheelchair are USING THE WC SEATS OMG!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:22 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 71

The solution to wheelchair seating would be to wait to sell the tickets until one day before the game, or some other late time frame. Then print the tickets differently, or do online delivery only so the tickets could be marked clearly that they were sold within the allowable time frame.

On a similar note, I've often wondered why the team doesn't allow STH to check a box when they buy their tickets that would allow them to sell their seats if they aren't there in time for the first pitch. Maybe for half price or something. Then the Twins could split the take with the STH as a credit on their next year's purchase.

The Team would get to sell the same ticket twice, and the STH could skip a game and know they might at least get back 25% of their purchase price, or of face value. Also the Twins would have seats in the chairs, buying concessions and stuff. I have a more elaborate idea that I think would be fun but it's probably not worth typing out here.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:22 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 72

Maybe I need to write more about the WC seats issue, because I just don't see it as that big a deal -- unless there are people who need those seats and cannot get them. And I just haven't heard of that happening.

It's my understanding that the Twins hold those seats out of the general pool until they are sure that no one with special needs wants to buy them. I've even read that they hold some WC seats until just before game time to make absolutely sure they are available to those who need them.

To me, that seems like a pretty sensible and sensitive approach.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:24 PM by Rick 73

Got tickets in section 128, "left field bleachers." Why are they so cheap... is it a free-for-all where you sit? I'm assuming bleachers literally means bleachers in this case...


Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:29 PM by tiggyboo Highlight this comment 74

Just taking a general estimate here, but there looks to be about 80 sections that could have WC rows. If each section has just 6 WC seats(like where I sat in 136), that's approximately 500 seats that are ADA accessible. Does that sound right? I'm sure there's an exact number buried on the TF website, but I can't find it.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:34 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 75

The left field bleachers are bleacher seats, but the spaces are actually numbered and assigned. It's not like the Wrigley bleacher seats, where you have to get in early to get a good spot.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:43 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 76

There are reputed to be 800 "WC" seats. One of the issues is that the Twins are apparently selling at least some well in advance of the game and those often wind up on Stubhub - which rubs some the wrong way.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:44 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 77

Sorry if I seem easily excitable this afternoon. I have 4 more hours left until my weekend starts; a weekend that will consist of world class soccer matches and lots of beer. LOTS of beer. At 8:30am.

And then when soccer is done for the day? Go Twins!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 78

Any chance they announce if they are cancelling the game today early? I would think that Kansas City would be rearing to go if they aren't going to end up playing.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 79

Who's to say that the WC seats on Stubhub aren't being posted by people with disabilities who can no longer go to the game?

Kevin Smith - Why do you make WC seats available to come up as "Best Available" for games when you think they should only be used by disabled people? WHAT A JOKE

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 1:10 PM by tom (aka Li) Highlight this comment 80

I agree with Rick - the WC seating is NOT an issue unless people who NEED them are UNABLE to get them.

The Twins are doing the best they can by holding them back until the latest possible moment before they release them to the public. If you are in need of disabled seating, than you can plan ahead and call the Twins for tickets, but like everyone else, if you wait until the day-of-game, you are out of luck. EVERY fan needs to plan in advance for tickets regardless of disability seating or not.

Like everything else, once this story hits the Star Tribune, its a big frantic and turns into a very big issue. Now we will probably see KSTP TV investigate this issue as well...

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 1:38 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 81

Chad, that sounds like my weekend, too - except without the beer.


Posted on June 10, 2010 at 2:17 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 82

Tigers are down to their last three outs trailing White Sox 2-0.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 3:01 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 83

It's funny to watch the StubHub tickets fluctuate on days like today. The lowest price ticket have been stuck at $12 for a few hours, which seems like an odd price to stop. If someone just nan up and drop it to $10 I'd buy one right now, even with the threat of rain.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 3:33 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 84

Oooh, someone finally hit $11. So close!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 3:33 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 85

First Avenue is opening The Depot tonight. Another option for pre- and post-game eating and drinking. City Pages article attached.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 4:05 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 86

Sold! For $10, fittingly, in a WC row. I love paying as much in fees as for the actual ticket...

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 87

You just have to love fans that don't like to get a little wet.

Home plate box 2nd row for $25. Even better if it is a rain out that is rescheduled for a nice sunny day.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 4:55 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 88

I just missed out on three seats in the front row in dead center for $5 a piece. Somebody got them just before me. Damn!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 5:14 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 89

how did i get i get wc seats for 5 games in september if the twins are holding them. not that i'm complaining.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 5:16 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 90

My guess is that they've got an average for how many WC requests they get through the site, and they're releasing tickets accordingly. Holding back even 1/4 of the total WC seats would be a generous number.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 6:26 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 91

A few things from last night's game:

The walls on the Club level between the Metropolitan Club and the ballpark model have been adorned. One wall pays tribute to the construction of the park with photos and memorabilia (such as the groundbreaking shovel). The other has photos from the first few games played at Target Field, perhaps celebrating some of the in-game "firsts" (didn't really have a chance to examine it all that well). I think these are new, but perhaps I've just been unobservant in the past.

Had a Cuban sandwich straight off the griddle. I had to wait a minute or two for it to be finished. The employee/volunteer actually had a thermometer and was checking the internal temperature of the sandwiches. She said she was shooting for 160. Anyway, the wait was definitely worth it. Could've used some hot sauce, though.

Speaking of which, and I know this has been brought up before, but WHEN is there going to be some decent mustard? I don't see the sense in having fresh sausages brought in if we only have neon yellow slop to cover them with.

Also witnessed my first escalator accident. An elderly man fell backwards just after he stepped on, taking out a young lad. Luckily, I hadn't stepped on yet and was able to hit the emergency stop. An usher responded very quickly. The old man seemed okay (he was smiling as he was helped up), but the boy had a pretty nasty cut on his foot and big scrapes up his leg. Note to self: always wear closed toed shoes when riding the escalator.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 7:54 PM by Jon Highlight this comment 92

Celebrity sitting directly in front of me in my season tix...Garrison Keillor..I felt like TMZ sneaking a photo with my iphone while he ate his hot dog..:)

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 93

Well Moonshot back to his old ways again! Crain wreck time? FCOL! We can't sweep these bums?

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:15 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 94

The boys are sleepwalking through this one!!!!!!!Tempted to almost watch the NBA! NOT!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:41 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 95

Tank job.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:54 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 96

Punto deer in the headight tonight! A baserunning blunder and now 2 straight errors! FCOL! A real stinker as Dick Bremaer would say! Now tolbert can't come up with a throw!!!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:54 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 97

Twins should refund every fan in attendance tonight.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:58 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 98

Very interesting survey sent out to STH's today...perhaps the Twins are considering some changes for 2011, including possibly selling season ticket plans in those single-game only sections such as skyline deck, rf bleachers, overlook, etc.

Also appears that ST prices will increase as well next year, but that would not surprise me.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 99

I tried to fill out the survey but too much traffic on the site. What kind of price increase are the talking about?

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:03 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 100

hey ron gardenhire - you have no leg left to stand on with your best buddy little nicky punto. he has had no offense to speak off for the last two years and now he can't field the ball or run the bases correctly. but you keep right on keeping on with him, ron. he will give you 15 more bloop singles the rest of the season including the playoffs and maybe two web gems from the frickin' THIRD BASE position! only on the twins can ron gardenhire get away with some of the crap he does when it comes to managing the roster of a first place team. and some people on here wonder why others can get so annoyed with gardenhire's decisions.

oh goodie........first jesse crain wreck and now his bumbling twin ron mahay is coming into the game. the day is saved! all is well now!

ahhhh....that felt good.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:03 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 101

Chen looking like Cy Young tonight!!!!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:05 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 102

I guess in Florida fish tanks are for ballparks too. You have to see it to believe it. Click my name for a rendering.

From the Miami Herald...
The "backstop aquariums" will flank the two sides of home plate. So, like, you can watch the fish when you're not washing the Fish. We're told the material used for the see-through paneling is the same type of stuff used in bullet-proof glass. Still, you have to wonder what the unexpected impact of a Stephen Strasburg fastball will do to the fish.

Don't you like how they talk about a Washington Nationals pitcher when its a Florida Marlins ballpark.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:09 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 103

What next for the Marlins? Pink Elephants in the bullpen? FCOL!!!! Enough of the forced hokey crap!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:13 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 104

Twinkfan - I am in the $29 Field Box seats and they asked how likely (definitely, likely, unlikely, etc) you would purchase those same tickets next year if they cost $32 and $31...

It looks like they are testing the waters to see what kind of feedback they will get from STH's before they increase the prices. I am sure it will depend on what seating area, but from the questions in the survey, its looking like a possible $2 or $3 increase.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:36 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 105

Rally Monkey time!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:45 PM by Li Highlight this comment 106

Yep I'm thinking my 3rd deck skyline seats will go from $12 to $15 per game also. Which is still a bargain! Will be interesting to see what the renewal rate will be fer sure! I'm thinking I will go a 40 game maybe next year instead of the 20 game pack!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:45 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 107

WOW, we stop kicking that ball around and we might have won that game! Crazt man!

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 108

Ouch. Good last 4 innings, I guess. My take on the game:

1)The chicken tenders, for the money, are AWESOME. $7.50 gets you more than you could possibly eat. Unless you're a fatty.

2)Jesse Crain. REALLY?

3)The SRO behind the batter's eye is still my favorite place to watch the game.

4)In a quick glance at the WC rows, there was approximately one person per section that needed the WC row.

5)It's very easy to sneak in cans of Surly. I need to pack 3 rather than just 2. I ran out way early.

I'm sure I'll think of more.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 10:43 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 109

God, I hate to say it, but I love the idea of the fish tanks. Should be kinda cool. Look, they aren't going for traditional in Miami. They are embracing the Miami style and going for something new. On some level I have to respect that.

Posted on June 10, 2010 at 10:59 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 110

STH - If everyone of you fill out the survey saying that you think your seats are the greatest and that you will pay anything to keep them next year, guess what will likely happen to the price?

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:39 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 111

Prices will go up regardless. Keynesian economics. Survey is just the team's way of chilling the mark out.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:48 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 112

I'd say that a survey is a great way to set pricing anchors. Get everybody thinking that the price may go up by $5 and suddenly a $4 increase doesn't look so bad...

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:57 AM by Rick 113

You know, I was just reviewing the photos above and noticed something I hadn't before.

On that first ever pitch at TF, the ball is clearly still in Pavano's hand, but his foot is clearly not on the rubber:

The official rules don't say much about how long a pitcher must stay in contact with the rubber, but I always thought it was until the ball left his hand.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 01:13 AM by Rick 114

It appears that since SRO tickets have been released, it has dropped the price of the secondary ticket market. I guess we will have to wait until another high demand game...

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 01:48 AM by TK Highlight this comment 115

Stinker of a game last night (including the jerk who was smoking in section 201 and the "security" folks who didn't kick him out of the ballpark) but the boys kept it interesting. Thome as the tying run watching a third strike was particularly painful.

Mauer's foul ball catch was ridiculously good. "Well played, Mauer..."

Next game for me, the 4th of July. America's birthday watching America's pastime. What could be better?

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 08:15 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 116

Interesting bathroom update...the doors have been reversed in the LC as recommended by every guy that walked through the wrong way. Any word on doors changing in the lower level?

Also now offering Calzones at Frankie V's for EIGHT bucks. They are tiny and a horrible rip off at $8. I think $5 would be fair. Don't fall for it like I did.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 08:26 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 117

I'm surprised people are making a big deal out of Mauer's catch. It was a good catch, but it's not like he hasn't done it before. I know he did it at least once, maybe last year or before that. The difference is, the last time he did it a fan actually touched the ball so it moved on him and he still caught it. They still called the guy out. I'd say that catch was better than this one.

Bad Baker and bad defense. I'd like it if we could close out more series sweeps, but I can't complain much about all these series wins.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 08:26 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 118

He did it last year, against Detroit I think?

I noticed yesterday that if you buy a piece of pizza at Franky V's they just give you 2 now. This was before the game even started. They really must not be able to sell the stuff. I was just in line to get a soda.

Story: Last night driving home from the game at 25th and Hennepin. Look to my right and see this nice 4 door Porsche sedan. I say to my brother "Look at that car". He responds "Dude, that's Francisco Liriano." We both yelled "Hey Franchise!" at him and he flashed the peace sign.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 09:23 AM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 119

I also found it interesting how they asked about the in-game presentation and they even asked several questions about their corporate partners and what brand you notice most at Target Field.

I wonder if they are trying to test the waters for their advertising rates?

I obviously answered Target for the most noticeable corporate brand.

They asked what could they do different to better the game-day experience...I said if they are going to continue those fan contests, get a better variety. I am already sick of that Delta360 Legends Club contest. Mix it up every few games by adding some different contests. Bring back the attendance jeopardy in the 8th inning. Play more organ music throughout the game and less pop music.

There were also several questions regarding concessions from service to quality and variety.

Another interesting question was "What can the Twins do to increase the value of your season tickets?" I suggested offer a discounted MLB Audio/TV subscription, extend the discounts to Target Field pro shops and online rather than the other 3 Pro Shops.

Any STH who has a chance to take this survey should take the time to complete it fully. The only way the Twins can make improvements is if you take the time to complete these surveys.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 09:33 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 120

I say $5.00 beers! $3.00 dogs and more $1.00 dog nites would be a good start! Less pop music more organ fer sure! GB Leighton needs to go fer sure!

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 121

Do they play the GB Leighton song at the park too? I never [i]really[i] hear it on tv and never listen for it at the park.

Instead of the 3D animation of the car races on the big screen, they could get nintendo as a sponsor and have people play mario kart for prizes. If they have to keep the sponsor characters, they can just build them as the Mii characters. 30 foot high racers, now that would be fun!

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 11:23 AM by jared Highlight this comment 122

Oops: bad formatting on my italics. :)

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM by jared Highlight this comment 123

They must have finally caught on that no one wants to see "Bullseye" win EVERYTIME. I get it, Target gives you a ton of money blah blah blah. But let the other one win every once in a while?

I went to all 3 of the Royals games this week and each character one once. The previous 15 games I had been to this year "Bullseye" won everytime except for once.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 124

What about texting who you think the winner will be of the car race to the Twins and then have the Twins select one person from whoever picked the winner and give them a free hot dog and pop, a pair of free tickets to a game, merchandise, or whatever.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 125

Yes, they play the GB Leighton song before the game starts. It's after both teams are done with BP, but I think it's before the guys come out and stretch and throw the ball around. It's some time in there.

That's funny because every game I go to the mosquito wins almost every time. I've been to almost 10 games or so and Babe and Bullseye have only won once each.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 126

The GB Leighton song really sucks right now, but it's a 162 game season, so some months will be better than others. Oh wait, it will always suck.

Does anyone else get tired of being asked to text in a vote for three crappy songs in the top of the 6th and then never remembering three innings later which crappy song won the vote?

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:04 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 127


You are right, we certainly aren't going for a retro-style park here in Miami. I personally think the fish tank idea is really cool. It's entirely unique and like you said, you have to respect them for breaking the mold (although Target Field is also breaks a few "ballpark molds" of it's own). In addition to the fish tank idea, the Marlins also debuted the 3D seating chart. Click on my name for the link. The ballpark looks like it is going to be awesome!

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:06 PM by Greg Highlight this comment 128

Yeah weird huh? I've been to 18 games at Target Field...Bullseye has won 15 of them, Babe twice, and Squita once.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:07 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 129

You can tell the new Marlins stadium is HOK. Pretty much the same seating chart as Target Field, almost exact same numbering of the sections.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:18 PM by Li Highlight this comment 130


Any fan sites spring up yet following design and construction of the Marlins park?

The fish tanks are fine (though it seems little gimmicky to me), but from what I've seen, the Marlins management still doesn't have much of a clue on how to shape the process so they get something better than a cookie cutter out of Populous.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:27 PM by Rick 131


No fan sites, except what is posted on our message boards from people taking pictures at the site and of course the webcams on the Marlins site. Click on my name for a link from the latest photos taken by a poster on one of our message boards.

I agree that you can certainly see the HOK/Populous style in the ballpark. I have enjoyed all of the HOK parks I have been to though...and really pretty much all the new ones have been designed by them anyway.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:51 PM by Greg Highlight this comment 132


Not sure if you are a hockey fan or not but Michael Russo who is the Minnesota Wild beat writer for the Star Tribune in the Twin Cities (and without question the best in the business) and the former beat writer for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel for the Panthers was on the radio the other day in MSP talking about the new Marlins ballpark.

He mentioned that most of the Marlins fans live in Boca, Lauderdale, and Palm Beach County. That drive is gonna be horrific at rush hour down to the Orange Bowl (site of the new Marlins park). Has there been any chatter in South Florida about the new ballpark location possibly alienating a large portion of the Marlins fanbase? I've driven in those Miami/Lauderdale rush hours a few times and know they can be horrendous!!

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 12:59 PM by Max Highlight this comment 133

There was someone smoking in the park? Nice, I'm sort of glad no one kicked him out. I wished (but knew it would never happen) that the park or sections of the park would be smoker friendly, since it is outside. I don't smoke cigerettes, but it would be nice to enjoy a fine cigar at the ball park from time to time.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 1:28 PM by Duffman (aka duffman) Highlight this comment 134

Yup, I remember Russo from his Panthers days.

The location has been a debate for a long time. I actually live in Boca. The reality is that there was really no place for them to build a stadium in South Florida and make everyone happy. If you build it in Broward or Palm Beach, people in Dade would have complained. The bottom line was that Dade County stepped up to the plate and was willing to work with the team(hence we will soon become the Miami Marlins). They negoatiated for a very long time and a number of sites were discussed over the years, but when UM left the OB it became clear that the stadium would be built there on the already city owned land or no place.

There are going to be complaints from people in Palm Beach and Broward. The drive is about 15-20 minutes more, but as our Team President once said "The Orange Bowl site is a heck of a lot closer then San Anontio."

Also, at night, the traffic is mainly flowing the opposite direction, with people going from Miami back up north.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 1:29 PM by Greg Highlight this comment 135

Just filled out my season ticket holder survey and answered that I will definitely not renew my season tickets if they raise prices by even $1. In reality I will renew no matter what, but I wonder what kind of idiot tells the truth on a survey like this and says that they will gladly pay more. We don't need to give the Twins another reason to raise prices, they will do it whether we like it or not.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 2:12 PM by Jay Highlight this comment 136

Holy Moses that Marlins park is shaping up mighty fast. I guess it helps to have the whole twelve months of the year to go full bore.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 4:04 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 137

Rick - little tough on the Marlins and management don't you think? I fail to understand how someone in MN would have a good grasp on things in south Florida. Sounds a little petty.

And the ballpark renderings hardly look cookie cutter. I like the fish idea, the majority of seats are around the infield (where else you gonna put them?), looks like the suites are mostly behind the plate, and there looks to be very little foul ball territory. Add in the retractable roof and I think they have a good thing going down there.

Hopefully Rubeville won't take over as Twins fans try to knock the Fish's new home.


Posted on June 11, 2010 at 5:18 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 138

Thanks Kramer,

I didn't take any offense to Rick's comments. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think the fish are cool, but I get why some people wouldn't like it. And sure the Marlins stadium has some of the qualities of other Populous parks(so does Target Field), but that is what they do and why they are considered the best. But what the Marlins are building is far from a cookie cutter. Heck, our owner made his fortune in the art world. He's not going to build a cookie cutter stadium. In fact, if you click on my name, I linked an article about the artwork palnned for the stadium. My favorite feature is the plan to honor the old OB using replicas of the old letters that made up the famous Orange Bowl sign.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 6:02 PM by Greg Highlight this comment 139

For Kevin in Az, and maz, and all the others: I have finally made my retraction to an article I wrote a couple years ago about why the Twins would need a new ballpark by the year 2030.
Of course, I wrote it in my "I wanna roof" days.
Therefore, Retraction has been made. Click my name.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 6:21 PM by luke Highlight this comment 140

Click name for TF opening day photo.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 141

Make that photos, photos from a helicopter.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 142

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 143

Nice to see Thome come through again when the Twins could really use a run or two. Best $1.5 mil the Twins have ever spent.

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 8:46 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 144

Wow, Liriano looked impressive tonight. Good win!

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 9:25 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 145

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Thome hangs up his cleats after this season.

Frankie was DIALED in wow!

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 9:41 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 146

My review of Target Field on scroll to Chuck F

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 9:39 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 147

Bad traffic on I-95 is just something everyone has to deal with if you are within 200 miles of Miami.

If you build it, they will come.

(And yes I have lived just about everywhere except outside the USA...)

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 10:04 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 148

"St. Peter said... that more drink rails will be installed around the ballpark in the coming weeks to accommodate standing fans." - from Strib page in my link..

Posted on June 11, 2010 at 10:21 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 149

When I was at a game, and I saw Thome drive one to the wall that was misplayed....and struggle to leg out a double, I knew the game had passed him by. Again, Young everyday LF and Kubel everyday DH. I don't care what hand the pitcher throws with!

I think we may be better off with Rausch than Nathan this year. As closers start creeping into the upper 30s, the wheels can come off fast. The way Rausch closed the game last night was the stuff premier closers are made of.

Posted on June 12, 2010 at 10:24 AM by Highlight this comment 150

I am glad to see the addition of more drink rails. I enjoy just walking around the park and watching the game from different areas.

Posted on June 12, 2010 at 10:27 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 151

Forgot to ask earlier: Did anyone notice the 'K' board during Liriano's performance? Did they run out of room, and then what?

Posted on June 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 152

I'd like to hear how that K board works. Does someone stay up there to make sure it's accurate? Do the people that buy those seats know it's part of the deal? I didn't think to look up there to see if they ran out of room. I think it's disappointingly small though.

Posted on June 12, 2010 at 10:26 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 153

I hope Gardy looks at the schedule and notes the Twins are off Monday so he plays Mauer and the rest of the starters today. (Although the starters at 2nd, 3rd, and short aren't "starters" - Twins are doing really well when you consider all the injuries they have had - thank goodness the pitching has been solid!)

Over 40,000 again last night - I like the SRO idea, but is it too crowded inside?

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 07:00 AM by ole Highlight this comment 154

When I went to Thursday's game against the Royals, I saw an usher standing in front of the 'K' board seats about an hour before the game. I'm guessing he was giving directions to the folks sitting there.

It would be fun to sit up there sometime, it would really keep you involved in the game.

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 07:55 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 155

Does anyone have a W-L record for the Twins when Brendan Harris starts? Seriously, what does it take for this guy to get to AAA? Perhaps signed to too big of a contract in the offseason and some denial setting in? I'd like to see Valencia, Punto (gulp) and Cuddy at 2nd until we get some players back. Plough, Tolbert and Harris are just taking up space at this point. Gardy has got to notice these 1 run losses and it is decisions like resting Mauer and starting Harris and pulling effective starters early and going to Jesse Crain that can cost you the close ones. Now, the hitting with RISP, I won't blame him for...

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 08:52 AM by twinsWSchamps2010 (aka Highlight this comment 156

Maybe Harris is out of options. Maybe he has compromising pictures of Gardy with a goat.

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 09:22 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 157

Late to the WC conversations, but I wanted to go to the first night game back in April, and they sold me a single WC seat. I would note that staff were also actively moving the chairs that night, and making sure anyone that really needed a WC seat got one.

I don't think this is a huge problem, at least I hope not. If someone in a wheelchair needs a view, I'm happy to give my seat/spot up as needed. I think almost all fans do the same. I don't think there are that many folks claiming to be in WC and then lying. The Twins have ways of figuring that out if it becomes a problem -- credit card records, etc.

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 5:01 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 158

And yes, Harris (and Crain, and Castilla) are out of options I believe

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 159

Anyone hear that the twins might be interested in Lowell for 3rd?

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 5:24 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 160

O-Dawg can't come back soon enough. It looks like the cupboard is bare in Rochester. Everybody they call up has done nothing, other than Ramos starting out hot. Its time for Crain to go and bring up Waldrop. Maybe take a flier on Joe Crede, he plays good defense and cant be any worse than whats over there now. What happened to Harris he looks lost at the plate. I did hear the Mike Lowell rumor. I would make that deal but I wouldnt give up much for him he is 36 and is hitting like .215 but is a carrer .280 hitter with good defense and is expendable in Boston.

3-3 homestand so far, we need to sweep Colorado for it to be a successful homestand, THursday should be a treat with Jimenez vs Liriano.

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 5:50 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 161

I was at the game today (boy was it awful), but I saw an older guy with a motorized scooter at the ticket window freaking out. I couldn't make out what he was saying, but I wondered if it had to do with the WC seats. I thought maybe he was trying to get them for today, but that's just my guess. It's hard to get tickets same day through the Twins no matter who you are so if that's what he was doing...

I'm now 5-5 at TF. That's disappointing.

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 162

AJ, Maybe it was the way the service rep explained that they only had "standing" room only tickets available.

Posted on June 13, 2010 at 9:04 PM by TK Highlight this comment 163

Fire at Target Field...

A fire at Target Field has left some water damage on the club level.

Minneapolis Fire says a gas-powered pressure washer caught fire on the club level, but was mostly extinguished by the sprinklers when crews arrived.

The fire call came in around 10:52 p.m. No one was injured.

The total amount of damage was not known at this time.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 07:10 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 164

Nothing new, but another review of Target Field. Click my name for the link.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 07:52 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 165

Now 3-4 at TF after losing saturday night! Next game not till June 28th. Need to get O Hud and Hardy back ASAP. Slowhand throwing BP yesterday did not help.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 09:04 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 166

Sheesh, went to the game Saturday making my 5th or 6th (of 8) game in which it has rained. The squeeze bunt was a great play call and executed very well, too bad the Twins couldn't counter. It is getting pretty frustrating seeing the Twins not defend the plate. Sure you make the pitcher work but when you watch pitches to a 3-2 count then take one awful swing to strike out (looking at you Brenden Harris and you Michael Cuddyer with the bases loaded!). They aren't seeing the ball very well right now. I know its not the Twins way, but when you have hitters like Mauer, Morneau and Cuddyer, it would be nice to see them be aggressive and hammer that first pitch strike that usually they watch but goes right through their wheelhouse.

Also, something I don't quite understand. People talk about a player "with options" or that has "run out of options"...what does that mean and how does it work? I have a basic idea but an explanation from start to finish would help connect the dots.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:00 AM by jared Highlight this comment 167

"I'd like to hear how that K board works. Does someone stay up there to make sure it's accurate? Do the people that buy those seats know it's part of the deal? I didn't think to look up there to see if they ran out of room. I think it's disappointingly small though." -- JCTwins

I was working the game on Saturday at a portable cart underneath the strike out ALS Ks. Before the gates opened there were a couple guys up there getting is set up. They weren't ushers. It looked like a couple guys that worked for the team based on what they were wearing. They weren't fans as the gates hadn't opened yet and they weren't general Target Field employees. From what I could see tho the cards were wood or plastic that just slide into position from slots on the top of the board. I wasn't able to see during the game who was flipping them tho so I'm not sure if it was the same guys or just who ever the fans in those seats. I seem to remember someone saying that here a couple weeks ago that the fans sitting there keep track.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 168

Concerning the WC rows ...

I am a wheelchair user living with Spinal Muscular Atrophy. Yes there have been games this year where I could not get accessible seating. WC users will typically have able bodied companions with them, so it's not uncommon to see non WC users in the WC row. However, the games I have gone to there are very few if any wheelchair users actually in the WC row. One or two per section, that's a lot of companions, lol.

It's pretty obvious the Twins make no effort to ensure at least one person actually requires WC seating per order. The games I have purchased WC seating for there was no effort made to do so, not even a friendly reminder of whom the seats are intended for. Other ballparks, like Wrigley, will give you a stern warning that you better need the seats.

Couple things the Twins could do:
1) There needs to be two levels of accessible seating, barrier free WC level and a limited mobility level.
2) Advanced purchased WC seating must be picked up at will call. Someone in your party "MUST" be using a wheeled mobility device of some sort to receive the tickets.
3) Day of game purchases made after the gates have opened have no restrictions. All tickets, including accessible seating, are first come first serve at that time.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:27 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 169

Jared, maybe this explains it?

The top Webster's definition of the word option seems basic enough: "the power or right of choosing."

But as everyone affiliated with Major League Baseball knows all too well, when it comes to the big leagues and the word option, it's anything but basic, and now that Spring Training is here, the small print that details these baseball by-laws gets bigger and bigger when these precious options run out.

First, a quick primer: "Option," in baseball-speak, is short for optional assignment, a move that allows a big league team to send a player on its 40-man roster to the Minors -- or call him back up to the Majors -- at any point during a given season without taking the risk of making him available to the 29 other teams.

It's a system with many advantages. It works well when inevitable injuries pop up, it helps contenders fortify areas by giving regulars a rest, it aids struggling clubs and gives them a glimpse of their future, and it helps the Minor Leaguers get a taste of where they eventually want to end up.

It's also generous. Each player, upon addition to the 40-man roster, is afforded three options, which means that teams can freely send the player back and forth as many times as they wish in three separate seasons. The only stipulation is that the player can't be called back to the Majors for at least 10 days unless a big leaguer is put on the 15-day disabled list.

After three -- and, in some special cases, four -- seasons, the player is out of options, which means that a trip to the Minors is a chance for other teams to scoop him up through waivers.

That's where it gets interesting, and where the makeup of a club hangs in the balance when it comes time for skippers to fill out those all-important 25-man Opening Day rosters. There are many examples of this brewing this spring.

Take the Cleveland Indians. They have right-hander Mitch Talbot and lefty Jeremy Sowers competing for two open spots in the rotation, and both of them are out of options, which could put them in a good spot if the Tribe won't risk losing them.

But potentially more interesting is the situation of the once-highly touted third-base prospect, Andy Marte.

Marte, 26, was out of options last year and removed from the Indians' roster, but he wasn't claimed off waivers and ended up having a good enough year at Triple-A Columbus (.327 BA/.369 OBP/.593 SLG) that the Indians added him to the 25-man roster in late July. This year he's in limbo again, with no options left and no guaranteed roster spot. Then again, after his big season in the Minors last year, he might have a better chance of being claimed if he doesn't make the big club on Opening Day.

Another team with tough decisions to make is the Royals. The fact that outfielder Mitch Maier is out of options and Brian Anderson isn't gives Maier the edge for the available reserve job. Utility man Josh Fields also is out of options, giving him a leg up as a bench infielder-outfielder-designated hitter candidate.

The Red Sox signed righty Boof Bonser to a Minor League deal even though he missed all of last season because of surgery on his labrum and rotator cuff. Bonser was a full-time starter for the Twins in 2007 and will likely not compete for a role in Boston's stacked rotation unless there's an injury or two, but if he proves to be healthy, he's a strong long reliever candidate, especially because he's out of options.

Meanwhile, the Blue Jays have one of the more intriguing out-of-options situations on their hands with right-hander Dustin McGowan.

As recently as 2007, McGowan, whose fastball used to hit the upper 90s, showed the stuff and the potential to be a future ace, going 12-10 with a 4.08 ERA and 144 strikeouts in 169 2/3 innings. An injury to his right shoulder and subsequent surgery cut short his 2008 campaign, and he needed surgery on his right knee last year.

The Blue Jays' pitching staff is wide open, and so far McGowan, who will turn 28 in March, has thrown off the mound five times with no reported problems. If he has a setback, the Jays can put him on the DL to begin the season, which would prevent them from having to expose him to the waiver wire. But if he's healthy and the club decides he's not in their top 12, one of the other 29 teams in the Majors probably won't waste much time snapping him up.

"There's still a long road in this process," Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos said of McGowan. "He has to pass so many tests and make sure he continues to bounce back without any soreness or pain. It's just part of the process. We're not getting ahead of ourselves."

It's easy get ahead of yourself when players are out of options, and it's also easy to feel as though you've been waiting too long and want to try something different.

In the spring of 2006, the Seattle Mariners were embarking on their ninth year with lefty Matt Thornton in the organization. Thornton, who could routinely hit 96 mph on the radar gun with his fastball, had been a first-round selection in the First-Year Player Draft in 1998 but didn't make the Majors until 2004 because of control issues and certainly wasn't a roster mainstay.

The issues continued to plague him -- he issued 42 walks in 57 innings in 2005 -- and the team didn't see much improvement the following spring, which meant he was not going to make the Opening Day roster. He also was out of options.

On March 21, with a little more than a week before the regular season started, then-GM Bill Bavasi orchestrated a classic out-of-options deal, dealing Thornton to the White Sox for another former first-round pick, Joe Borchard, a hitter with freakish power -- including the longest homer in U.S. Cellular Field history, at 504 feet -- who hadn't put it all together on the field. The Mariners didn't want to let a lefty such as Thornton, with that kind of arm, get away without getting something in return.

Eventually, the deal worked out incredibly well -- for the White Sox. Thornton fit in there, ironed out his command over two so-so years, and in 2008, at the age of 31, it all clicked for him. He only walked 19 batters in 67 1/3 innings, struck out 77, put up a 2.67 ERA and .995 WHIP, and followed that with a 2009 (2.74 ERA, 1.078 WHIP, 87 strikeouts and 20 walks in 72 1/3 innings) that cemented him as one of the best relievers -- lefty or righty -- in baseball.

Borchard got nine at-bats in less than a month of roster time in Seattle before the Mariners dropped him and he was claimed by Florida. He was a reserve with the Marlins, hit .230 in 2006 and .196 in 2007, and hasn't played in the Majors since.

"I made the team in '05 because I was out of options, and by '06 I still had those command issues," Thornton said. "The whole time, I'm trying to improve, and they're keeping me with the hope that I'll become the guy that they thought I could become when they drafted me. I guess what I needed was a new organization, a fresh start and a new attitude about pitching."

The same might be true for the Brewers' Manny Parra.

The young lefty showed great potential in 2008, going 10-8 with a 4.39 ERA and 147 strikeouts in 166 innings. Last year, however, he struggled, so much so that the Brewers actually used his final option in mid-June during the fifth inning of a game that Parra had already started and exited.

The offseason acquisitions of veteran lefties Randy Wolf and Doug Davis might not help Parra's chances of landing one of the two rotation spots he's competing against Dave Bush, Jeff Suppan and, possibly, Chris Narveson for -- particularly in a division with such right-handed sluggers as Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday, Aramis Ramirez and Carlos Lee.

Parra most likely wouldn't last very long on the waiver wire, so he'd either pitch in the bullpen and be injury insurance or end up as another team's potential out-of-options treasure.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:35 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 170

Why isn't Delmon Young hitting #5 in this lineup? Cuddyer has done nothing to retain his spot at #5 while Delmon is getting better and better at the plate.

Anyway, I cannot find the direct link, but one of the Atlanta bloggers from the Journal Constitution was very impressed with Target Field and instantly ranked it as one of his top 5 ballparks in baseball. That is pretty impressive coming from a National League blogger considering they see games at AT&T Park, PNC Park, Petco Park, Busch Stadium, Wrigley Field, and Coors Field.

It appears the things that strikes most people (and many people on this site already know this) is the attention to detail and the dedication to the club's history.

On Saturday, I checked out the new construction and Opening Day displays in the Delta Sky 360 Legend's Club/Metropolitan Club area...pretty impressive! A lot of nice pictures from the construction and Opening Day.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:37 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 171

Dave, I like your idea of purchasing in advance and picking up at will call.

I don't think its right that someone looking for accessible seating can walk up day-of-game and get seats. They should be required to order in advance just like every other fan is required to do when tickets are at a premium and demand is at an all-time high.

The Twins have been more than generous with their accessible seating options and more than exceeded the minimum standards.

If you are looking for accessible seating, than you should call the Twins in advance because once the game date approaches, chances are high that the Twins will release those extra seats to the general public and there is nothing wrong with that in my mind.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:53 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 172

Mike, I was thinking the same thing about moving Young up to the 5th spot. I remember seeing a stat recently that had Cuddy batting 0.216 with RISP. I am not sure if that was with two outs or if it was anytime. Young was proven recently that he should at least be given the chance to bat 5th.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 11:05 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 173

Howard Sinker with a great blog post this morning to his Section 219 blog on Startribune (dot) com. Yesterday's lineup was a disgrace. Giving the Braves 4-5 automatic outs per time through the lineup.

Right now the Twins are effectively playing with 20-22 Major League caliber players...

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 11:52 AM by Max Highlight this comment 174

The deal with Cuddyer is that he does not see as well as, at least, the best hitters. He relies more on knowing the pitcher's tendencies and, quite literally, guessing what is on the way. There have always been "see-ers" and "guessers" - the elite hitters do both well. Cuddyer doesn't hear worth a hoot either, not that that has any great impact on hitting except that if he could hear the ball hitting the dirt he might refrain from swinging at it.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 11:57 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 175

When do they expect Jose Morales back? People have said he needs to work on his defense and game calling behind the plate, but at least he was able to put the ball in play.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 176

Two seats in Section 108 available for Tuesday night for face value. Please e-mail if interested.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 177

Thanks TwinkFan that really clears the water. With that thinking then, I would be hard pressed to believe that even if Harris or Crain were sent down without options left that another team would go after them, especially the way they have been playing. But on that note, I have been wrong before.

Don't people with hearing or visual impairments compensate with heightened other senses? being that Cuddy is partially deaf in the left ear, he could really have heightened eyesight but that wouldn't make sense then for him to be a "see-er" type batter swinging the way he does. Maybe all this outdoorsy stuff is getting more wind/dirt/airborne particles in his eyes negating his heightened seeing abilities at the plate.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 12:40 PM by jared Highlight this comment 178


I agree there is nothing wrong with opening sales to WC seating to the general public once the non WC seating (including standing room only) is sold out.

Only disagree with selling a fan WC seating when there is a non WC option still available.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 12:45 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 179

Cuddyer is not a "see-er" - he reportedly had Lasik done to correct some vision issues but still does not see as well as some and relies more heavily on intuition, etc.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 1:25 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 180

Cuddyer doesn't hear worth a hoot either, not that that has any great impact on hitting except that if he could hear the ball hitting the dirt he might refrain from swinging at it.

Ok, that made me laugh. :-)

From that description, I'd say Cuddy has quite the future as a professional Cricket batsman.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 1:43 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 181

A while back, during a heated confrontation online, I posted an unrelated question to the battle that was going back and forth between some posters and I think it got buried in the discussion.

A while back people were posting their rankings of ballparks, etc. I was wondering how many people have done an independent trip with a travel agency, etc. to go to a ball game.

My wife and I were planning on flying to Detroit this summer to continue our tradition of going to an away ballpark each summer.
It started when we got engaged on our first trip to Chicago (Sox) three years ago. We have gone to US Cellular, New Busch, and have plans to go to Comerica in July.

We were once looking at flights to Detroit, and it was ranging in the neighborhood of $350/pp for RT flights. A friend of mine pointed me in the direction of an independent company that did setup similar trips at prices that were for the cost of flights for an entire weekend package.

I was curious if anyone has done something similar or if anyone has gone with the group that we will be venturing with in July. Click my name for a link to the site.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 3:38 PM by TK Highlight this comment 182

Justin Morneau has a photo of the fire at TF last night. News reports had it on the "club level," but it's clearly in the View/Terrace level.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 4:15 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 183

Looks like that fire was a few sections down from where I sit.

Morales has sucked in Rochester offensively and defensively so far. I don't think they'll bring him up anytime soon.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 5:10 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 184

Regarding the "K" board. I was sitting in the Overhang, during Friday nights game. The board did not run out of room for Liriano, but did when Rauch struck out the side for the save. I personally do believe they should reset it for every new Twins pitcher, but I understand if people like it for keeping track of how many times the opposing team strikes out.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 6:01 PM by duffman Highlight this comment 185

Watching the home opener replay vs Boston on FSN HD right now! Beautifull sunny day it was. I much prefer the grass cut the way it was during the first home series! Lets bring that back! !

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 7:56 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 186

I was just checking out the Twins website and came across this...why do they not enforce this rule?

Foul Balls/Home Run Balls – Guests are welcome to keep any foul ball or home run ball hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with the safety and comfort of others. Major League rules prohibit fans from throwing any object onto the field or interfering with the ball in play; offenders will face immediate ejection from Target Field. Guests should stay alert at all time for bats and balls that could land in the seating areas.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 9:56 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 187

I have heard that the guys who topple onto the field for even one second when reaching for foul balls down the line get booted. Seems extreme, but I guess if they didn't, they'd have people half-intentionally going over the railing.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:10 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 188

I have no clue what this really means, but Chyron has installed two new graphics systems in the new Target Field home of the Minnesota Twins as promotional player clips, graphic messages and community billboard announcements are generated and managed by Chyron’s HyperX³ graphics systems. For the complete article click my name.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 10:44 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 189

Interesting post on the production enhancement. Not sure exactly what they're referring to, but it does seem like there was some improvement in the "production quality" of the pre-game video before the Thursday Royals game. They did the video montage of the first two games, with some music and text to set the stage for the potential sweep.

It does seem like they could do some more with the production elements around the game. In St. Louis they have a utility company advertisement between innings where the entire stadium goes dark for about ten seconds. It really is quite cool.

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 190

Clicky on linky

Posted on June 14, 2010 at 11:17 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 191

Maybe they should add a line to their spiel about throwing things on the field: "Including home run balls" --- give that a series or two of games and then start tossing the culprits (assuming they can be positively identified). That ought to slow down the practice.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 12:32 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 192

Far from being cool, I find that energy ad at Busch Stadium to be distracting at best. I like my advertising to be a little less intrusive than that.

And we're going to get back on the throwing balls back on the field again? Seriously, why complain about things you have no control over?

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 193

As to the balls --- there apparently IS a way to put it under control.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:13 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 194

Yeah, the Twins have some control over it, but do you personally? Don't see how complaining about it on a message board is going to change anything. Some people like it, some people don't. I would say judging by the reaction at games those who don't are in the minority and until the Twins or MLB decide to do something about it, it's not going to change.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:19 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 195

People have no control over the weather either, but will most certainly continue to discuss it - with or without your blessing.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 196

Buffalo - who's reactions are you judging at games? A few immature people who are drunk and yell "throw it back, throw it back"?

Show some respect and give the ball to a little kid or keep it. Why don't they throw back foul balls or BP balls than???

I just wonder how many people regret throwing the ball back when they get home and say to themselves, "I wish I would have kept that ball."

What happened to fan conduct and good sportsmanship and respecting your opponent? It's something we should be teaching our children and setting examples.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:49 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 197

Over the weekend, I couldn't help but notice shots of little kids out in the Home Run Terrace clutching Troy Glaus souvenirs...

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 12:26 PM by Rick 198

"What happened to fan conduct and good sportsmanship and respecting your opponent? It's something we should be teaching our children and setting examples."

Excellent point!

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 3:14 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 199

The Chryon piece seemed like more of a press release than a news article and likely referred to them providing graphics on the video board from day one as opposed to a midseason switch.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 200

And where exactly did I say I agreed with throwing the ball back? Personally I would never do so myself, but again, listen to the crowd when it happens. This isn't just a few drunk fans or a vocal minority. We're clearly in the minority and bitching about it on a message board isn't going to change it.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 3:45 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 201

Looks like a nice hot steamy night at the ballyard! Lets kick some rocky mountain ass! FCOL!!!!!!! We need to get on a run here. Quite the pitching matchup on thursay afternoon with Cisco and Ubaldo!!!

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 4:14 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 202

Looks like the Twins web cam now only going back to May 5th for some reason!

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 4:23 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 203

I noticed that the other day too TwinkFan... wanted to see the webcam during saturday's game and it wasn't active anylonger.

Will be at the game tonight, Sec 319 Row 1 here's hoping it doesn't get called and resumed the next day for tomorrow's fans like the last time I went, ha ha... (wait a tic.. still pissed!!)

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 4:46 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 204

Funny people were up in arms about SRO tickets on Stubhub, but for the last few games they have been super cheap. $17 each for tonight, and I bought some for Friday night for $12 each.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 4:54 PM by tom Highlight this comment 205

I know I'm in the minority on this site, but I am actually in favor of throwing a home run ball hit by the other team back on the field. I have thought about what I would do in that situation, and I probably if given the opportunity would do the same.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 5:10 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 206

HH, careful. They're going to brand you an "immature person who's drunk" because you dare to support throwing the ball back.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 207

No branding! Drunk, sober, mature, immature, ugly, beautiful, wavers, non-wavers -- all are welcome!

But I'd like to hear the reasoning.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM by Rick 208

The practice started with Cubs fans. That's reason enough to stop immediately.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 6:49 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 209

I agree with Dr. X.

If I ever caught a home run ball, I'd hang on to it. If someone yelled at me to throw it back, I'd kindly tell them to stuff it, and let them know that if they catch one they can throw it back.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 8:19 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 210

HH - I would like to ask why you would throw the ball back? What would be the reasoning behind it?

The player who hits the homerun could honestly care less if you throw his homerun ball back.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 8:48 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 211

That surprises me a little about the webcam, but then again, not really.
Webcam 2 has been out of commission since April 12.
However, TCFBS' webcam is still alive and well on the Gophers website.
Hopefully, it was just a glitch and it'll be back soon.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 9:17 PM by luke Highlight this comment 212

Phase II of the Tradition Wall is a go.

The addition to the Twins Tradition Wall will be located on the 6th Street side of Target Plaza, under the skyway connecting the B parking ramp and Target Center.

Phase II will feature a side panel with the lyrics to the iconic baseball song "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" and another panel with the lyrics to the team's long time fight song "We're Gonna Win, Twins."

Click my name for the complete article.

Posted on June 15, 2010 at 10:08 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 213

GREAT GAME TONIGHT, got to watch TOLBERT (and Kubel) go yard!!!!

Am now 3-0-1 (yes, I was at that awesome called game rain-out)

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 12:01 AM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 214

7 - 2 on games
2 - 7 on weather

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 12:38 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 215

We had another proposal at the ballpark tonight. I think that's about 25 so far this year. Don't know why people seem to think that proposing at sporting events are the thing to do. I know I'd never do it there. Just seems like something's wrong with your relationship if you end up doing it there. Maybe I'm being too harsh with the "something's wrong" part, but it's getting to be annoying seeing all of these proposals on the scoreboard.

Anyone else agree with me?

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 02:33 AM by MM Highlight this comment 216

Perhaps more fitting than proposing back home at the ol' trailer park.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 05:41 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 217

Having seen our pitching staff I would say catching an opponent's home run ball is no longer very special. I would throw it back because I'm worried they will run out of baseballs if Crane comes in.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 07:38 AM by JLH Highlight this comment 218

tom -

Although those SRO tickets for Friday night seem like a pretty good deal at $12, the flight to Philadelphia is going to up the cost significantly.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 08:21 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 219

I bought the $12 SRO for Friday 6/11 vs Braves. There were tons of them available under face for the past few games.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 08:45 AM by tom (aka tcmark) Highlight this comment 220

I think I'm going to throw the ball back so the Twins front office can see my cannon arm and sign me on the spot to a major league contract.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 08:50 AM by Kingduck Highlight this comment 221

Yep tired of the ole proposal crap. All staged anyways! WTP? Nice game last night! Delmon staying hot. Does Gardy put all leftys in the lineup tonight? Cuddy sit. Kubel in right? Thome DH? Thoughts?

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 08:58 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 222

TCmark what is your final cost for the SRO ticket through stub hub?

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 08:59 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 223

Speaking of proposals at baseball games, check out this. I'm having trouble viewing it at work right now, (IT constraints?) so here is another link.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 09:43 AM by FD Highlight this comment 224

Took my five-year-old to his first Target Field game last night. Also was my first game in the upper deck, section 220. We sat in row two and the railing was definitely an issue for my son since he's obviously pretty short. He actually would have seen better in row one because he would have been below the main railing and only having to look through the steel cables. I was fine with my view but would have had definite issues in row one.

My observations about the upper deck are that I can't believe they only have two escalator exit areas to get down to the club level and subsequent lower level. And NO ONE uses the circulation ramp on the first-base side.

I also had my worst food item at TF: the soft serve ice cream. Makes DQ soft serve actually seem good. Talk about flavorless crap. Ugh.

I'm also now 3-0 at TF with three great weather days!

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 10:46 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 225

Headed to Pittsburgh Friday, Philly Saturday, and DC/Baltimore the following days. Report to follow. Sounds like lots of Twins fans making the trip to Philadelphia...

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:03 AM by Max Highlight this comment 226

Faber, I used the circulation ramp on the first base side once and will never again. It took much longer to walk down the ramp from the upper deck to the main concourse compared to taking the escalators.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:17 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 227

No I agree Jeff. I used the circulation ramp behind left field during the open house and vowed never again for that same reason. I'm just observing that there are traffic flow issues from people entering the Carew gate and then going up the escalators. My base point is I believe there should be more ways to get upstairs other than the two escalator entrances since the circulation ramp is even more time-consuming. Don't really think you can retrofit that either in years to come.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:30 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 228

The stairwells are open to all fans. Most of the entrances are inside the elevator lobbies. They're pretty quick - not so much of that horizontal action.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:42 AM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 229

I went down to the game last night with my boys and just hung out on the plaza and listened to radio broadcast they provide. I didn't have a ticket. I planned that outing. I'd do that every game if I could. That is a cool experience. Even though you can't really see the action on the field you still feel part of the game because you get all the crowd noise. Very cool. I wasn't the only one. Lots people just wandering around and listening and checking things out.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 230

Some of you have never been to other ballparks, because those ramps are just as bad at other ones. When we went to Wrigley in May, it took forever to get up to our upper deck seats and back down afterward through the ramps. Ditto at Comiskey.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 12:02 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 231

bought 4 SRO at $12 ea, paid $5 fee plus $4.95 fee so less than $15 each for us.

My point was just that people were up in arms when sellers were asking over face, but most games anyone who buys those to resell is going to end up giving discounts, which I think is a good thing!

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 12:05 PM by tom (aka tcmark) Highlight this comment 232

Buffalo, please don't conclude that people haven't been to other ballparks based alone on the comments made about taking a long time to use the circulation ramps. Very naive if you ask me.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 233


Obviously, this was a deal you wanted to make, but you paid 22% in fees. That's highway robbery, if you ask me.

Stubhub should be legally required to show prices with the fees included. And charging a $4.95 fee to print out a piece of paper is a complete rip-off.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM by Rick 234

There are stairs, elevators, ramps, and escalators...plenty of options if you ask me.

I am surprised more people don't use the stairs and elevators.

On the first base side, you can also take the ramp halfway and the escalator the other half if you enter the Legend's Club/Metropolitan Club lobby area.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 235

Another proposal tonight. Twins must be raking in the dough for their foundations this year due to the proposal fee.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 01:10 AM by MM Highlight this comment 236

Is it true that HOK forgot to include bullpens in the original design of the Giants' park?

What a gem of a park. But bullpens down the foul lines was a big "Oh shit!"

Posted on October 27, 2010 at 10:36 PM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 237

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Looking the other direction, again from Ford Centre, you can see what's going on over the tracks. This will be a public promenade.

I still counted 11 flag poles...

Pesky Reality

Here is a close-up of those funny little islands of seats (HRP View).

The base of the old Met Stadium flagpole. (The plaque refers to the "Flame of Freedom" and not the origin of the pole.)

Here are some less intrusive things things you can actually get at the ballpark.

Ben took this picture of me (carrying my mostly useless camera) and Twins rep Chris Iles down by the admin building

Looking back toward the park from just beyond the north end of the Northstar platform.

Look at all that blank space. Canvas! (What should go on those walls? A giant schedule perhaps?)

This mural is behind the staircase. The window looks onto the promenade, and the door goes to a kitchen.

Supports for the little sections in the outfield.

Look! Speakers!

The big glove will go on that circle. Note the gap between the plaza and the ramp. That's 394 you can see through there.

Viewed from a different angle, it seems fair to wonder is some of those seats will have slightly obscured views. Yet, if they're cheap, that's not a problem.

This is as close as I could get to a pedestrian-eye view of Seventh Street (looking west away from downtown). It's inviting, not imposing, and remarkably dignified.

Detail of Entry Plaza #4 (north entry from Fifth Street)

Notice the temporary railing extensions

A look at Gate 34.

That is the gun-metal gray wall of The Stadium just beyond the elevated tracks.

Looking out from under Gate 34

Here's an idea of what these Loge Boxes are all about. That guy is a waiter with no fans to serve. They seemed to have one server for about every four boxes.

Target Plaza in model form

Viewed from up Sixth Street, the tip of the canopy looks like the claw of some gigantic crustacean!

Sharing and Caring Hands, as viewed from the ballpark site about a block away. Note transaction in progress in the shadows.

Larry DiVito and staff member (you write the caption)

A scene repeated about a BILLION times each game

Entrance to the Champions Club

WCCO-TV building

Photo by Tyler Wycoff

Awesome seat. Awesome sun. Awesome hitter. (Photo by Tony Voda, courtesy Jared Wieseler)

Here's the current overview from the south side of the B ramp (from which the banner at the top of this page was culled).

This is the outside portion of the Metropolitan Club.

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HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

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