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June 16, 2010 1:00 PM

There's no over-arching theme these days, just a bunch of collected tidbits.

You may have noticed by now that I take the marathon approach when it comes to many ballpark issues. The stories we will follow develop slowly and play out over the course of a season or seasons. I'm not much for "scoops" or "hot topics". I'm much more interested in deep understanding.

That said, some of these are the talk right now. So, here goes. (Special thanks for the photos provided by our DP on June 8, Jeff Ewer.)

Photo by Jeff Ewer

WC Redux

Here are two comments from Dave that seemed quite reasonable:

Concerning the WC rows ...

I am a wheelchair user living with Spinal Muscular Atrophy. Yes there have been games this year where I could not get accessible seating. WC users will typically have able bodied companions with them, so it's not uncommon to see non WC users in the WC row. However, the games I have gone to there are very few if any wheelchair users actually in the WC row. One or two per section, that's a lot of companions, lol.

It's pretty obvious the Twins make no effort to ensure at least one person actually requires WC seating per order. The games I have purchased WC seating for there was no effort made to do so, not even a friendly reminder of whom the seats are intended for. Other ballparks, like Wrigley, will give you a stern warning that you better need the seats.

Couple things the Twins could do:

1) There needs to be two levels of accessible seating, barrier free WC level and a limited mobility level.

2) Advanced purchased WC seating must be picked up at will call. Someone in your party "MUST" be using a wheeled mobility device of some sort to receive the tickets.

3) Day of game purchases made after the gates have opened have no restrictions. All tickets, including accessible seating, are first come first serve at that time.

...

I agree there is nothing wrong with opening sales to WC seating to the general public once the non WC seating (including standing room only) is sold out.

Only disagree with selling a fan WC seating when there is a non WC option still available.

These seem like generally sensible suggestions. The over-arching question is whether people who need this type of seating are getting a fair shot at acquiring it. My impression is that they must be or we'd be hearing a whole lot more about this -- especially given the clear priority the Twins placed on accommodating fans with special needs.

A flurry of action in front of the dugout before the game (Photo by Jeff Ewer)

I know some folks who do require WC seats, though not because of using wheeled devices. Mainly, these are people with knee or hip issues who simply cannot fit comfortably into even the most generously wide seats or aisles. So the criteria of requiring mobility devices may not quite work.

There are obviously some criteria in place for getting a handicapped sticker for your car. That's a good place to start for this type of seating. It could be as simple as allowing folks with handicapped stickers to have priority in buying these seats. (Do those stickers have serial numbers?)

The ultimate solution may be to simply sell these tickets by a separate method -- up to a point. Fans can register in advance (or at the time of first purchase), provide proof of the need, and be given a unique promo code or something which tells the system (or rep) that they are entitled to the seats.

Right now, as has been pointed out, sometimes you get WC seats when you select "Best Available" on the Twins ticket site. If that happens, the implication is that the seats have been cleared for sale to anyone. So it would be hard to blame someone who did not need them but bought them anyway under those circumstances. Same goes for Stubhub and the like.

The team obviously has a responsibility to manage how these seats flow into the pool of generally available seats. But as I have said before, if the people who do need them can get them, it's not really an issue if the rest are sold to those who don't.

It would be a truly kind gesture to hold all of these seats out of the general pool until game day, but I think that's unlikely given the extreme demand these days.

TC meets the Mayor (Photo by Jeff Ewer)

Triangle Redux

I commented in the last post that the triangle improvements at Seventh Street and Second Avenue were a little disappointing. I did not know that the city actually designed and paid for those upgrades, meaning they have no real reason to tie them to Target Field specifically -- considering that their own facility is actually closer.

Clearly, it's an improvement over what was there, but the design seems to miss an opportunity to bring TF around the corner a bit, or at least create a greater visual connection between TF and Target Center (a la the railings on the Sixth Street plaza extension).

I always imagined a big electronic sign on the triangle, like the one at the Metrodome, that could be used for all sorts of things. Now that I've seen what they've done, I actually imagine some art there -- like maybe a statue of George Mikan -- though that could detract from one goal of the design, which is to lead pedestrians to safe routes in a sea of fast-moving traffic.

It begs the question of whether enough traffic-calming measures have been taken along that treacherous stretch of Seventh.

Photo by Jeff Ewer

Celebrate, Already

The celebration sign is a beautiful and distinctive piece of Target Field. But I have yet to actually see the hands shaking. I mean, I know that they're doing it, but I can't see it. Tonight I saw a clip on the news, and even there, in close-up, it was hard to make out. (The same clip showed fans in the overlook literally diving into the flowers to get a home run ball. There's a problem most gardeners don't have.)

And I know that the sign does a bunch of other stuff when various things happen (like strikeouts, runs scored, etc.) but it doesn't quite seem to have the impact that we all anticipated.

I mention it partly because the players have now been quoted as complaining that there's a glare coming off of that sign which needs to be mitigated.

If you look closely at Jeff's picture above, you can see that it's about dusk -- so the sky isn't quite as dark as it will get -- but the lights of the stadium are already on. And I think that those lights wash out the "neon" (which I believe is actually LED) and render the effect considerably less powerful than it might be.

It's almost as if the sign needs some sort shade from the stadium lights, something which might also mitigate sun glare at the same time. (Mesh doesn't quite sound like the answer.)

Again, it's a beautiful amenity, but it needs some sort of tweak to get to its full potential.

Photo by Jeff Ewer

BPM Night, Redux

I was presented with a wonderful offer from a faithful reader who has spare tickets in his group package for July 16 against the White Sox. The seats are in section 316. Come join us! (I did a new T-shirt design just for the occasion as well.)

BallparkMagic Night #2 at Target Field: July 16, 7:10 PM


This time it's primo seats in the View Level directly behind home plate (section 316). I'll be there with Noah (who will be turning 5 years old!) and a gang put together by Mike M. 20 tickets are available now, with potentially more to come, and they are being sold here exclusively at face value with no fees! It's my way of saying thanks for making this site your source of TF news.

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By the way, it's possible that there will be more tickets available. So if it's sold out here, send me an email and I'll keep a waiting list.

One more ticket-related note: If you're looking for something tonight or tomorrow, demand is high and supply is dwindling (even TC Traders is tapped out). But a friend of this site runs www.BetterBoxOffice.com and still has lots of good seats. Be sure to mention BallparkMagic for the best deal.

Write your own caption. (Photo by Jeff Ewer)

Animation

By now you've seen the "Race to Target Field" promo a few times up on the big board. Well, here is a very cool link to the storyboards for that video, along with the finished product (I won't spoil the surprise on who wins).

They can put a camera just about anywhere. (Photo by Jeff Ewer)

Leftovers

I started this post thinking I had nothing much to talk about. But now I'm out of time, and I have a bunch of subjects to go. So here they are, rapid fire style:

Radio -- The contract is up. There are three possible stations for next year. My preference: 8-3-0 with an FM stereo simulcast somewhere!

Interleague Play -- Why the hell are we playing the Rockies? Let the cross-town rivalries continue, but otherwise, this turkey needs to be canned. And this whole DH nonsense has really gone on long enough. Either everybody or nobody (and I know that "nobody" isn't really an option -- which means "everybody" is what we really need).

Soccer -- I need to figure out why I can't stand this game. I'm not just disinterested, I hate it.

Overhang Extension? -- One sure way to make the park more hitter-friendly would be to extend that overlook in both directions.

Live Look-Ins -- One minute I'm listening to the radio with the Gameday screen on the computer, and the next minute I'm actually watching the game on my computer. Note to MLB: I would give you money to let me continue watching the whole game on my computer. (If you think that a blackout will force me to get FSN, you're wrong. It won't -- at least not until the day I can pay for FSN and only FSN. You're leaving money on the table...)

Terrace Disparities -- Have you ever noticed that the Home Run Porch "Terrace" is a whole lot closer to the field than the either the Field or Home Plate "Terrace" levels? (Pointed out to me long ago by minn55441 and I keep forgetting to mention it.)

OK, people are definitely riding their bikes to games! (Photo by Tim Davis, courtesy MBA)

And finally, I just wanted to note that I've been in email hell for a while, so if you've written and not heard back, please try again. I think I've got it finally solved. Some messages have been delayed, others just never showed up at all. Turns out, there are bugs -- imagine that! This is what you get when you trust developers and upgrade your email client without asking any questions. (Thunderbird 3)

Photo by Jeff Ewer (Click to enlarge.)

Tonight looks like a great night for outdoor baseball. Enjoy it!

Comments


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Rick- nice post -thanks for the info as usual. I do not agree with your suggestion to extend the overlook overhang. I already hate it and wish the Twins get rid of it someday. The real problem is that the Target Field 23 foot right field fence extends much farther towards dead center that the fence at the dome did. that and the fact that the ball dos not seem to carry that well to the middle of the outfield are indeed preventing some homers from being hit. But I do not want to ever see really cheap homers hit at our new park- I think that would suck.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 1:29 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 1

Sorry for posting again but I just want to say that my feelings on interleague play are that I like it because then you are not playing the same old teams over and over. The more the variety of teams the Twins play during the regular season to me is a good thing.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 1:34 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 2

I'll be there tonight -- sitting in some WC seats of course -- in the Home Run Porch View section. Taking my dad to his first game at Target Field for his birthday/Father's Day present. Can taste the Michelob ribs already.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 1:35 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 3

And I love the idea of extending the Overlook. Seems like a natural solution to several different problems.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 1:37 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 4

There is already a statue of George Mikan in the Target Center lobby which I think is an appropriate place for it. Even when the Wolves have enjoyed boom times and big crowds, the triangle isn't really part of the foot traffic pattern for fans going to the games. Outside the statue would get lost. Inside it's more accessible and at home.

Apart from improving the chances of home runs being hit, if extending the overhang would cure the awkward viewing angles in the right field bleachers, I say do it.

As for soccer, not everyone will like every sport, but here's a suggestion if you're considering giving it a chance. Go to Brit's on Friday morning for USA vs. Slovenia and then stay on for England vs. Algeria. Even if you don't generally get into the game of soccer, the atmosphere alone will ensure you have a great time. My friends and I arrived there on Saturday before 8:00 AM to ensure we'd get a table for England vs. USA at 1:30 PM. Despite the long wait and large crowd, it was all worth it.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 2:12 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 5

Good post.

I am treating myself to a game tonight while the lady is out of town. Haven't gotten a ticket yet as I hope to see prices drop a bit more. If anyone has an available (affordable and reasonable) offer, I am interested. Email me.

Camera will be in tow.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM by jared Highlight this comment 6

Ok, a couple quick thoughts. First of all I was at last night's game which was my 11th game this season. I finally did something I have been meaning to do for a long time, which is walk around the ballpark, and watch a 1/2 inning to an inning from each different location. I cannot say enough for how much I loved the experience. At the Metrodome, I don't ever remember sitting in new seats and thinking what a great new experience it provided, instead only thinking how much I hated the place. I was watching from behind the bleachers at the Kirby Puckett gate when Kubel hit his home run (I could be wrong, but I believe all his homeruns at TF have been hit there). As much as I love seeing the skyline during the game, I actually really like this vantage point too because it's like the entire ballpark just opens up to you. I commented to my wife it's like the ballpark is just hugging you from that location. I watched an inning or so from the Powerball pavilion and that spot is awesome. I don't know how I never noticed it before but I didn't realize it had wooden seats like the legends club as well. I then went to where the Twins bullpen is, and pretty much missed the 1/2 inning as I became mesmerized with the open access you have to just stare down and see all the relief pitchers. Then I watched a few angles from the 3B side before finally returning to my seats in section 111 for the final 2 innings. I'm sure most people have done this before, but it really is amazing how distinctly a different experience you get at every new location.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 2:47 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 7

Wow Thanks Rick, just ordered 2 tickets. I already have tickets for that game and as luck would have it my son is performing the national anthem with 4 other trumpet players before the game! This way I can get a couple more people into the game. I'm just a few sections down from 316!

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 8

I too would also like to see the overhang extended so that is carried into the right field bleachers. Hopefully that would raise the bleacher section so that more of the outfield is visible to those seats and doesn't make the overlook seem so gimicky or out of place. I do like the idea of the overlook, but just needs to be tweaked during the offseason. Also, they need to add padding up the entire right field wall instead of having the wood. It just seems odd to have so many wall surfaces out there for the right fielder to think about and guess where the ball might hit.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 9

Heb, I've watched a couple of games this year just walking around the park already. My favorite spot is right around sec 107 where there is just a small overhang above you and you get to see the scoreboard and most of the park. With all the standing room being sold it will be tougher to do though!

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 10

Hebrew, When I have walked around the ballpark, I have really enjoyed watching the game from just behind the Powerball Pavilion. I absolutely love the view from that section. I would try and get seats for that area except from all the complaints from this website regarding the cupholders in the armrests.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 11

I'm hoping, barring a schedule change, that I'll be able to make BPM night part II.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 12

Rick, I work in the "lightbulb department" at a large home improvement store in Buffalo, and we don't really even sell LED bulbs, except a small selection of 'accent only' lightbulbs, because even though they use very little wattage and energy, they're (contrary to popular belief) are not very bright and produce very little light (lumens) at all. Me thinks this is why the sign is harder to see either in daytime and even with the ballparks lights on (take your pick, your getting either one obviously). The best solution to fix it is to switch the lights on the homerun sign to a traditional neon bulb. Might use more wattage (I suppose they wont cuz of their LEED certificate) but the light will be much brighter and more visible.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 6:11 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 13

Royals get 2012 All-Star Game.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 7:36 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 14



Pornvano on the mound tonight... Wait, that's him, right?

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 8:59 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 15

Going to the game tomorrow - 1st row in 128. Love the pitching matchup, but will I love Gardy's lineup??

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 10:30 PM by ole Highlight this comment 16

I actually called the Twins (1-800-33T-WINS) to ask them if I were to purchase a seat marked WC if I would be breaking any Disability Access Laws. The ticket agent on the phone actually giggled. I was horrified beyond belief. Being I'm on Disability but I'm mobile via foot I was rendered speechless (Normally I would CHEW THE LIVING HELL OUT OF THIS RESPONSE). I was so stunned I just hung up.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 10:38 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 17

...I feel a lawsuit forming after this unfortunate episode. I refuse to purchase a ticket marked WC but then I suppose the brokers eat them up or whoever.

It's just wrong. I can walk so I'm not using my disability as an excuse. I can't imagine what kind of ass raping people in WC's might feel.

Paying $70 on stubhub for a garbage game on June 13 pretty much did me in when Gardy puts Punto in the #1 slot I don't WANT to make a 6 hour round trip to see the AAA Club and Punto. If I want to see Triple A ball I'll make my permanent move to Reno/Fresno/Sacramento whatever...

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 10:52 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 18

I sat in the WC seats tonight and didn't feel guilty for one second. But that's just me.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 10:56 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 19

I purchased 4 WC tickets for the July 2nd game versus the Rays a while back so I can take my 82 year old grandfather, who suffered a stroke about 12 years ago, to the game with the rest of my family. I have to say that though our situation is legit I was a bit taken back by how easy it was for me to reserve the seats in advance. I thought there was going to be some kind of long drawn out process to fulfill the request but it was actually easier than ordering regular seats over the phone. I think that they should make a little more effort to ensure that those who are ordering the tickets actually have a valid reason in doing so. Though I don’t really know what all can be done but I am sure that other teams around the MLB have some measures in place by now.

I can't wait for the game though and my grandpa is so excited to see the new field for the first time and this opportunity to take him to the game would not be possible without all the efforts the Twins made in making the new park so handicap accessible!

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:00 PM by JCE Highlight this comment 20

Is Punto regaining his 2006 offensive form?

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:00 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 21

Buffalo if someone is kicking your ass when you sit in WC section it's probably me.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:13 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 22

I purchased a SRO ticket tonight. Ended up in 114 row 1 all game. I got a ton of pictures, most are boring observations but I will be sending you some Rick. Not tonight, likely tomorrow.

The K board appears to be run by the people in the 1st row of that section. They pull the empty space board and flip it to reveal the K. Scotty Baker, yeah you heard me, Scotty Baker maxed it out tonight at 12 Ks.
After sitting in 114 tonight I now understand the players beef with the sun and the sign in center. While it isn't a nasty glare like reflection we see off of the buildings downtown, the sign is very bright, by a few F/stops on the ol camera. If rick posts it, you can see the difference in brightness. Also, I am not sure about on-field issues, but even evening sun creates a glare from the downtown buildings that could be an issue. Rick first posted about it way back when, using pics from the webcam. Tonight from my seat in 114 it wasn't as intense as those noted seats along the 3rd baseline (which i did capture a shot of many people shielding their eyes) there was a noticeable glare in 114.

I have a few other observations that I will try to touch on later, once I can get my pics onto my computer and sifted through.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:17 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 23

82 year old grandpa's that suffered strokes should get disability seating not 26 year old assholes that could stand through the entire game. My feet get numb after I stand on them for more then 20 minutes I still refuse to sit in the disability section because my body is not that f*cked up. 8 hours standing on my feet is bad that's my work problem. I just need to keep walking & sit down every 20 minutes or so.

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:18 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 24

I wonder if the Chicago White Sox, Cleveland Indians, etc etc whined so much about the glare against XYZ item at their (formerally) new ballparks?

Posted on June 16, 2010 at 11:29 PM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 25

Chuck F, I think you have some anger issues you need to work out. Oh, and judging by the people in the WC seats around me who all had legitimate tickets for the game, you're going to have to kick a hell of a lot of ass.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 12:09 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 26

Buffalo - do you get numb feet after standing for 20 minutes or less?

It's ALWAYS an anger problem/issue/whatever when someone has a totally realistic response to any person that has zero clue as to WTF anyone who has had their life fornicated up by their job, the Military, etc etc etc.

Would you please "cure me" Buffalo? I just want to go back to work. Thanks.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 01:13 AM by Chuck F Highlight this comment 27

I've probably missed it on here someplace, but if you get an SRO ticket for a game at TF, does that allow you to be in the park, and just roam about? Or will they assign you to stand at a DR behind a certain section?

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 07:02 AM by luke Highlight this comment 28

Luke - you are kidding right? (Please tell me he's kidding.)

Honestly, I have no problem with the outfield dimensions. I wouldn't change anything. Yes, it takes quite a shot to hit a HR in the power alleys, but doing so in right-center provides many more opportunities for doubles/triples. And if you CAN land one in the Powerball Pavilion it would be quite a sight. Since the opponents seem to have less trouble hitting 'em out, making it easier for the Twins only makes it that much easier for everybody else.

The Twins need to stop whining about HRs, glare, what have you, and put on their man pants.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 07:26 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 29

Yes TTH, I am kidding.
I'm considering SRO as an option for a game in July actually.
Then, I can get as many vantage points from TF as my camera can possibly take.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 07:36 AM by luke Highlight this comment 30

Chuck F, the fact remains the Twins are selling WC tickets to the general public. I did nothing wrong in buying those tickets and was perfectly within my rights to sit there. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the Twins.

For the record, I have family members who have some debilitating physical ailments and a nephew who is in a wheel chair. Surprisingly, none of them are as bitter about it as you seem to be about your own situation.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 08:53 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 31

And, to tell you the truth, if anybody who had been in a wheel chair or one of their companions had come up to me and asked me for my spot last night, I would have gladly given it up. Seeing as nobody did and in fact there were some open WC seats in the next section over, not sure anybody was put out by us sitting there.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 08:56 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 32

Regarding the glare, from a fan's perspective:

My seats are pretty much even with 3rd base and yes, during sunny evening games a glare is present and people are shielding their eyes - but the 'direct reflection in the eyes' only lasts 10-15 minutes at most, at least in my seat, and I can't imagine it's much different in other seats along 3rd. I think we chalk this up to one of those things that's unavoidable if we want an outdoor stadium that faces, and is in close proximity to, a bunch of glass buildings to the East.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 09:26 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 33

Today's lineup from Joe Christensen, he also stated Gardy decided to sit Mauer because Mauer has taken a lot of foul balls off of the body this homestand and really needs some time to rest and heal. He will pinch hit is necessary.

1. Denard Span, CF
2. Matt Tolbert, 2B
3. Justin Morneau, 1B
4. Jason Kubel, DH
5. Michael Cuddyer, RF
6. Delmon Young, LF
7. Danny Valencia, 3B
8. Nick Punto, SS
9. Drew Butera, C

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 10:42 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 34

If we beat Ublado with that lineup! We need to get the boys in for drug testing. Should be a low scoring game and a pitchers duel fer sure with Cisco on the mound for the Twins. Nice job by Moonshot last night!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 11:09 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 35

Didnt Mauer DH on Sunday and have an off day on Monday and now another off day on Thursday. Mauer is a fleecing of America. The Twins grossly overpaid this overpampered underachieving catcher. He is projecting .311 5 HR 76 RBI. What a waste of $23 million a year.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 11:11 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 36

We need Mauer to catch fire along with Cuddy and Spahn. When Punto and Valencia are carrying us we could be in trouble!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 11:25 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 37

Speaking of our beloved catcher, how was he not given an error last night? Sitting in the 1st row of 132, we could tell it was a passed ball, not a wild pitch. Hell, even my ESPN score alert called it a passed ball by Mauer, but yet no eror was put up on the scoreboard at Target Field.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 11:48 AM by duffman Highlight this comment 38

Point well taken, but Mauer is "only" making $12,500,000 this year.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 12:18 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 39

Back to back series finales over after a half inning!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 12:20 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 40

Please tell me your thoughts and feelings on this WC Issue at "Two Men On", By the way, you can say anything. Click my name.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 12:21 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 41

On the WC seats...

I agree that there are some tweaks that can be made to ensure that disabled fans have a reasonable and fair opportunity to purchase tickets. I think it's unreasonable, however, to assert that ALL WC seats must be held ONLY for fans with disabilities/legitimate needs in their party.

I think what's being missed in this discussion is a recognition of the sheer volume of WC seats in TF. We were at the game last night and looked around for WC seats. There are a lot. More, likely, than required by ADA or other pertinent regulations.

So, put yourself in the place of a team building a new stadium. You could take the position of creating an ample supply of disabled seating, knowing that to maximize revenue, some (maybe most) of those seats would not be used by disabled fans for a given game.

Or, you could take the position of allowing ONLY disabled fans (and their parties) to use such seating. If you come at it from that point of view, you are naturally going to keep the disabled seating at a minimum - in the same way that TF overall capacity is lower than the Dome or other stadiums. They'd rather have a 39,000+ seat stadium they can fill most of the time instead of a 50,000 seat stadium with a bunch of empty seats. If you are reserving a block of seats for ONLY one purpose, you're going to want to keep that block small.

In this way, it's possible that even with their current lax policy, the Twins are giving more disabled fans a chance to attend the games than previously (ignoring the fact that the Dome was built pre-ADA and had less accessibility).

Saying "they should over-build the disabled seating AND hold them for disabled parties only" is a non-starter 'having your cake and eating it too' argument.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 12:29 PM by ThatsRich Highlight this comment 42

On the Mauer "passed ball" - just a note...

Passed balls are not counted as errors. Whether you're a Baby Jesus or an average Molina.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM by ThatsRich Highlight this comment 43

took my girl to the game last night, was hanging out on the plaza drinking my brandy and coke in a super america soda cup and i felt like testing the market.. i have been to about 11 or so games this year not to mention 2 in kc so money is getting tight.. we went down to the front of targt center and it was on people walking buy with the desprate look of " we drove all the way here we need tix and will spend whatever"....first person that asked me offered 140.00 for my tix i took 120.00 cuz i had a buzz and a soul lol total profit 89 bucks i think! plus i did not drop 50 bucks in the ballpark like i always do, we went down to sneaky petes watched the game on the patio and could hear the crowd!!! 2 buck beers.. i love america!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 44

Cissssssssssssco sleepwalks thru the 1st inning. Nice line Rockies bat 9 .... 3 runs... 4 hits... 2 HPB... 1 walk!!!!! FCOL!!!!!!!!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 1:03 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 45

I found the best pre-game deal in town I think. It's at Murray's. You get a massive, juicy, 1/2 pound cheeseburger, a ton of fries, and a pint for $9. Not to mention the free garlic toast. Man I am full.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 1:04 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 46

Sounds tasty coom! Be nice if that was a steak sandwhich instead! LOL!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 47

Enough with grounding into DP's, three innings in a row and now 78 GIDP on the year by far leading the league, in comparison San Diego has done it the fewest at 34 times and the MLB average is 52.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 48

Maz the $2.00 beers are back at Sneakys? I thought they jacked them to $3.00! Be careful you don't walk thru the wrong door down there as you might just end up in dream girls next door before you know it! LOL!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 1:16 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 49

Yep Fire! Them GIDP are killers! I wonder what the records are per game and season? Suprised Cuddy doesn't have one of those today!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 50

Well 4 is the record per game!


Grounding Into Double Plays
Career Records

Record Lg Name(s) Team(s) Data
Most
In A Career
(Top 100)
AL Cal Ripken, Jr.
Baltimore
350
350

NL Hank Aaron
Milwaukee
193
305

Atlanta
112

Grounding Into Double Plays
Single Season Records

Record Lg Name(s) Team(s) Data
Fewest
In A Season
(150+ Games Played)
AL Dick McAuliffe
Detroit
0 1968
NL Craig Biggio
Houston
0 1997
Augie Galan
Chicago
1935
Fewest
In A Season
By A Rookie
(150+ Games Played)
AL Ichiro Suzuki
Seattle
3 2001
NL Vince Coleman
St. Louis
3 1985
Most
In A Season
(Top 100)
AL Jim Rice
Boston
36 1984
NL Miguel Tejada
Houston
32 2008
Most
In A Season
By A Lefthander
AL Ben Grieve
Oakland
32 2000
NL
Sean Casey
Cincinnati
27
2005

A.J. Pierzynski
San Francisco
2004
Most
In A Season
By A Righthander
AL Jim Rice
Boston
36 1984
NL Miguel Tejada
Houston
32 2008
Most
In A Season
By A Rookie
AL Billy Johnson
New York
27 1943
Al Rosen
Cleveland
1950
NL Albert Pujols
St. Louis
21 2001
Most
In A Season
By A Switch-Hitter
AL Dave Philley
Philadelphia
29 1952
NL Ted Simmons
St. Louis
29 1973
Most Seasons
Leading The League
AL Jim Rice
Boston
4 1982
Boston
1983
Boston
1984
Boston
1985
NL Ernie Lombardi
Cincinnati
4 1933
Cincinnati
1934
Cincinnati
1938
New York
1944
Grounding Into Double Plays
Game Records

Record Lg Name(s) Team(s) Data
Most
In A Game
AL Goose Goslin
Detroit
4 04-28-1934
NL Joe Torre
New York
4 07-21-1975
Record Lg Name(s) Team(s) Data
Grounding Into Double Plays Records

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 51

Well we just tied a record folks as Mauer lines into a double play as Spahn gets doubled up! Thats 4 today! Spahn picked off 3rd base earlier in the game also. FCOL! So much for the 4th straight 6-3 homestand as we may just end up 5-4 on this one! Tough road trip coming up!!!!!Detroit pounding hapless Nationals 7-2! Lead 1.5 games!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 2:24 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 52

Nicely played Mauer!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 2:39 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 53

TwinkFan, if you never use that stupid FCOL hyperlink to the freaking urban dictionary entry for lol again, IT'LL BE TOO SOON.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 2:52 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 54

wtf, I didn't even put hyperlinks in my comment, and it automatically formatted them as such? What are you up to Rick?

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 2:53 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 55

This is brutal.

Anyone have 6/29 DET tickets? Nobody has them up on TCT but I'd be willing to buy/trade tickets...I'm a STH myself.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 2:55 PM by Billy Highlight this comment 56

Links? What links...?

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 2:59 PM by Rick 57

LOL! I like the color though!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 3:04 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 58

Oh, those links. That Urban Dictionary can be very perceptive, can't it?

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 3:20 PM by Rick 59

You do know TwinkFan that's Span, not Spahn (as in Warren), right? The first time I thought it was a typo, second time, not so much...

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 3:31 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 60

I do Billy.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 3:50 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 61

Span Spam Spahn it's all good! Fab I got a million typos!!!!

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 4:25 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 62

At least Target Field won't have this problem with WC seating. Click my name.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 5:59 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 63

This is what you get when you trust developers and upgrade your email client without asking any questions. (Thunderbird 3)

Rick, two words: emacs + gnus

I finally got so fed up with Thunderbird, Kmail and the like that I finally switched to a mail platform that actually works like I want it to. And it's FAST to work with. It's a PITA to set up, but once I got it going, I didn't look back. I'm willing to help if you want to make the change.

Posted on June 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM by David (aka David) Highlight this comment 64

Two things to learn:

1. How to spell the player's name.
2. The difference between third base and second base.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 12:02 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 65

Billy I have June 29th tickets. Let me know what you propose for a trade or sale.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 12:18 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 66

My e-mail is linked...shoot me one so we can quick chat about it.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 10:50 AM by Billy Highlight this comment 67

Road trip predictions time!!!! I'm going with 3-6! I think we will come home in 2nd place also. What say you?

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 68

I think 3-6 sounds about right. And the Tigers keep playing bottom feeders.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 69

It will hopefully all equal out in the end. But that inequality is another reason interleague needs to be shown the door ... or at least limited to one pair of home-and-away rivalry series.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 70

The bottom feeders worm will turn. In my opinion, however, Gardy needs to somehow get as much as possible out of what he has to work with - that is his job - and I am unconvinced he is there yet or ever will be.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 1:25 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 71

Billy, your e-mail link isn't working for me. E-mail me at my attached address.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 72

You know Rick, I'd be interested as to why you hate soccer. I actually think it has a lot in common with baseball. Long stretches of what seems like nothing much happening, but there's always "tension" in the action. Something big or exciting might be right around the corner. Sometimes there's a nice build-up in the action (baseball: men on 1st and 3rd, no outs; soccer: a nice series of midfield passes that build momentum towards the 18-yard box) but then we're let down (baseball: strikeout and then double-play ball; soccer: defender pokes away ball and other team goes on counter-attack).

I personally enjoy soccer and when I think about it I think it's for a lot of same reasons I enjoy baseball. But that's just me. So I'm just curious what about the game you dislike so much.

And by the way, the U.S. got screwed as bad as Galarraga did by the referee today.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 1:58 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 73

One key difference between baseball and soccer: You don't play for three hours only to end in an 0-0 tie and then have to listen to fans of the sport say what a great game it was.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 2:05 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 74

Well, actually Buffalo, they only play 90 minutes and it usually equals about 2 hours in real time. And second, haven't you seen 1-0 baseball games that are incredible (see game 7, 1991 that I believe was 0-0 after 9 innings)?

That's just the thing, in my opinion a 0-0 game can be really exciting and a well played game. Because it ends in a tie doesn't diminish the quality of the product or the entertainment I may have received in that 2 hours. I do think extra time and PKs for even regular season games would be good and not just knock-out games.

I'm not trying to sell anyone on soccer any more than I try to sell someone on baseball who thinks it's a snoozefest. I'm just saying I see parallels, that's all.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 75

They both have long boring stretches interrupted by brief moments of excitement. That's pretty much where the parallel ends for me. Baseball fans are certainly better behaved. Don't hear about too many murders in the stands or riots at baseball games.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 3:20 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 76

Attendance

Did you see what was reported during the Rockies series?

Wednesday was 40,814 and Thursday was 40,741. Not bad for a 39,501 stadium. I wonder if they have a cap on SRO tickets? When they first started selling SRO, it appeared that the scalpers were just buying up everything they had and then just relisted them for double the value online. During the Rockies series, I kind of kept an eye on the Twins website and it looked like they kept the SRO seats available right up until gametime for $22.

With some no shows, I wonder how many tickets were actually sold? Do you think all 1300 extra Fans walking through the gates were a result of the increased SRO? I was at 2 of the 3 games and really didn't notice that it was any more crowded, then again I spent most of the time in my seat. Lots of school groups during the day game on Thursday.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 3:59 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 77

Just in case you question my figures, I have attached a link. As I was leaving on Wednesday, I tought I heard over the PA that the crowd was 40,700. That sounded really high to me, but when I checked this morning 40,741 was listed as the official attendance.

I wonder what the fire marshall has listed for the capacity? That total would have to include everyone working in addition to the paid attendance. I would think the Twins have a set number they feel comfortable with, I just don't think we have reached it yet.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 4:10 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 78

How about shooting some aerial bombs after a Twin hits a home run? Maybe 1 for a solo shot, 2 for a 2 run homerun, etc. Also, fire off several after a Twins' win. The centerfield sign is great, but the handshaking only shows up at night games. WIN TWINS!!!

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 4:11 PM by Gary Johnson Highlight this comment 79

The announced attendance is, I believe, the number of tickets sold (paid attendance?). The way they do it you could have three fans in the place and an "attendance" of 41,xxx.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 4:19 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 80

Talked to a guy in a candy shop yesterday. He said he and some friends went down to the game but could not do any better than $75 for a SRO ticket - during the second inning!!! Did the scalper figure they wanted in that bad?

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 81

Back to soccer for a minute. faber, you seem to know something about the sport, perhaps you can enlighten me. I saw the end of the South Africa loss, and they were down 2-0 after 90 minutes, which I believe is total regulation time. yet, they played another five minutes. What's the reason for this? was it because it was a world Cup match? What would be the purpose of the extra time if one team is already up 2-0?

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 82



View at citizens bank park

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 6:42 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 83

as i feared. nothing but a bunch of sorry ass pretenders on this pitching staff and little rollie pollie ronnie gardenhire is their fearless leader.

btw gardenhire.......how many days off for your precious baby jesus joe mauer this weekend? i mean he has already had 3 days off in the past 6 days......he must be getting really tired.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 6:56 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 84

sooj - sorry you have to be there for such a pathetic showing by nick blackburn. hope you can still manage to enjoy yourself somewhat......but i know if it was me it would be tough to sit through this one.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 6:57 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 85

Fun Fact: No team in major League Baseball has ever finished the season 162-0. Even the best teams have lost several dozen games in any season.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 9:10 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 86

Dr. X, the actual time is kept on the field by the center ref (for any soccer game, not just World Cup). At his discretion he will add what's called stoppage time at the end of each half based on "non-action" type events, like an injury where it takes several minutes to get the player off the field or a ball is kicked into the stands and it takes 30 seconds to restart the action, etc. Usually the added time is anywhere from a minute to five minutes. The amount of extra time is communicated from a fourth referee on the sideline (he holds up a placard with how many minutes are added). So no one knows EXACTLY when the final whistle will blow, it's up the center ref. It can actually make that extra time really exciting since no one knows how long you have. New Zealand scored a goal during stoppage time to salvage a draw the other day, literally 30 seconds before the ref blew his whistle.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 9:32 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 87

Thanks Faber. But I have to wonder, why not just stop the clock during injury periods and the like? Perhaps I'm too used to the way we do things here in The States.

Posted on June 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 88

Stoppage time. Yet another reason soccer will never catch on in the U.S.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 01:42 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 89

Yea it was a was a sad sight to see but I Love the city....the fans are assholes to over team,which is what my girl read online.
Faber-i quit trying to explain soccer and why it's a good sport. But everyone has to admit it's better then basketball and cricket

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 07:09 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 90

Well, Dr. X, every sport has it's quirks, right? :)

Buffalo, I'd say that ship has already left. Soccer HAS caught on here in the U.S. 15 million people watched the U.S.-England game last Saturday, MLS average attendance is about on par with NBA and NHL (about 16,000-17,000). The Seattle Sounders in MLS average about 36,000 (that would be more than an average Mariners game). The Portland and Vancouver teams that are entering MLS next year have already sold over 13,000 season tickets...and they're ten months from their first MLS games.

No, soccer will never replace football, baseball, basketball and in some parts of the U.S., hockey. I think what soccer supporters don't understand is that it doesn't have to be at that level for it to be successful here in the U.S.

We're a big enough and diverse enough country to support a huge variety of sport. For example, I think watching golf is like watching paint dry and I don't like watching hockey on TV.

Look, I'm not trying to convince anyone that they should like the sport just because the rest of the world does. I think it's obnoxious when people try to force their sport down someone else's throat. I just happen to enjoy it and so do millions of other Americans. So to say it will "never catch on in the U.S." is actually a pretty ignorant statement.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 07:09 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 91

*assholes to other team fans

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 07:11 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 92

Sooj, I get what you're saying and that's my main point. I don't want to explain why soccer is a great sport any more than I want to explain to my non-baseball believing friends why baseball is a great sport. To each is own! If you don't like it fine, but you don't have to bash it either.

And by the way, I lived in New Zealand for a short time period years ago and got hooked on one-day cricket! The four day test matches? Not so much...

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 07:12 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 93

Yea they can get long....also I've had my cousins try to explain it but I just don't get it, so also not a fan, but Indians love it

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 07:50 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 94

Ignorant people usually are particularly adept at making ignorant statements. I suppose it is possible that Buffalo has never heard the term "soccer mom".

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 09:40 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 95

One DAY cricket. So, a fan of the game can't look forward to a TV doubleheader. I have a couple books about cricket that were published and purchased in England. One is an explanation of the game and the other a collection of cricket stories, and I still find its rules, sequence of action, and strategies to be a dense, impenetrable mystery. But it sure looks like a dignified and refined sport, with everyone wearing white slacks.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 10:21 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 96

Nice performance by Slackburn last night 1.2 IP 8 ER! I think he needs to go to the pen or AAA. Billy Smith is looking like a genius signing Slackburn to an extension. And paying Mauer for one good year. Taking Mauer's average over his whole career and he averages .325 BA 12 HR 67 RBI per year coming into this season. I mean those are good numbers but not $23 million a year numbers. Smith has set this franchise back years! To his credit the Young trade is looking a little better and I have no problem with the Span signing.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 10:25 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 97

Ben, thanks for the name calling. Stay classy. And yes, I have heard of soccer moms, and my own kids played soccer for a while, but that doesn't mean there's a rabid population of fans for professional soccer in this country. There's a big jump from kids playing soccer to soccer ever being more than a niche sport in this country.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 1:21 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 98

Buffalo, odd that you saw yourself in that comment. My guess is that a few zillion kids participating in the sport will, and has, added up to something - your views notwithstanding.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 2:55 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 99

Good job Slowey! They score 3 runs for you in the first and you give the lead up right away. This team has absolutely no chance to make the playoffs unless they get some pitching help.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 3:46 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 100

Even more amazing than Mauer hitting that HR, did anyone else hear all the cheers following it!? Sounds like a lot of Twins fans headed east this weekend.

K

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 101

Nothing better to do on a Saturday then listen to Fox announcers...

I really wish Ga-Rear would listen to the announcers in the booth, the Twins would have easily been out of the game with a Loss, and not two K's

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 6:27 PM by tk Highlight this comment 102

One of the best wins of the year! What a game!! Not the cleanest game, but hopefully this one will carry the boys for the next week.

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 7:56 PM by ole Highlight this comment 103

If Blackburn hadn't signed an extention and left after his contract was up, and if Mauer had been allowed to test the free agent waters and signed with the Evil Empires in either NY or Boston, Billy Smith would still be cursed on this page, I guess.

The question is, what would YOU have done?

Posted on June 19, 2010 at 9:51 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 104

well at least our bullpen did "something" right during thursday's loss to the colorado rockies.

per denver post: Minnesota reliever Alex Burnett drilled Tulowitzki during the eighth inning of Thursday's victory. Tulowitzki remained in the game, and initial X-rays didn't reveal a break. But Tulowitzki woke up with shooting pain in his wrist, an ominous sign that something was wrong. A follow-up exam showed the fracture, specifically a bone that had chipped. There was initial concern that season-ending surgery might be required, but there was no ligament damage.

Tulowitzki will be out at least 6 weeks.

Posted on June 20, 2010 at 12:55 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 105

That was the kind of win yesterday that can get some momentum going. One of the more frustrating things is that win streaks tend to not happen on this team. We had a great April, and have been playing near .500 since. I wrote that game off yesterday at 9-4 and about fell out of my couch when I found out they won it.

What I like about what is happening now is that Young is playing every day, and Kubel and Punto are coming around quickly.

Re the Mauer signing, Mauer had the Twins by the balls. They had to sign him. Is he worth the money? Not even close. He won't even be catching for half that contract. I was disappointed that Mauer didn't come down and give a hometown discount. But, look at A-Rod, hitting under .300 too. Mauer should probably be in the 18-20 million range, but the irony about it is that the Mauer signing would sell a lot of tickets for the Twins, but they don't need that help for the next few years with the stadium.

Posted on June 20, 2010 at 09:52 AM by twinswschamps2010 (aka mhalv68@gmail.com) Highlight this comment 106

I was wondering where the "They had to sign him." types had disappeared to - I figured they couldn't all be fishing.

Posted on June 20, 2010 at 10:16 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 107

Can't tell you the last time I posted anything here, but was pleasantly surprised to see the Game on July 16th selected for Ballpark Magic Night II - I've got tickets for section 308 that night! I'll try to stop over and say hi...

Posted on June 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM by Goober Highlight this comment 108

Complete game four hitter for Pavano. Wow! The bullpen needed a performance like that after the last two games.

Liriano and Pavano are really proving to be the leaders of this staff. Slowey, Baker and Blackburn starts, have all turned into a crap shoot. You just never know what you are going to get out of them.

Posted on June 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 109

Well ladies and gents, here is another one of my panoramas. This time from section 114 row 1, my seat found luckily after barely getting a SRO ticket to the game.

Also I have linked in my name a gent who went on a tour and has some views that we haven't seen before!!


Posted on June 20, 2010 at 10:39 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 110

Is there anyone making the trip to Citi Field? It would be nice to here some thoughts and comparisons made between Citi and Target Field.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 08:49 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 111

WOW Great come from behind win Saturday and performance by Pavano yesterday. Heard Mike and Mike on ESPN radio this morning saying the twins could be the favorittes to land Cliff Lee from the Mariners. Not sure what Lees contract status is. Would be nice to get him for sure. Would think we would have to perhaps give them a starter and maybe somebody like Ramos? Thoughts??????

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 09:47 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 112

Lee is known to be whiner and not a great clubhouse guy. His talent might well make up for that but if he becomes just a rental you have to look VERY hard at the costs.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 09:54 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 113

Schedule seem messed up? Weird they didn't have the Twins just go to NY right after Phillie. So they go from Phillie to Milwaukee to NY. Get a travel day to Milwaukee but not to NY. hmmmm.. conspiracy? :D

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 114

Did find out Lee's contract expires after this year! Very well might be a rental.

The left-hander, who won the 2008 AL Cy Young Award with Cleveland, lowered his ERA to 2.55 with his 16th career complete game. He has pitched at least seven innings in 10 of his 11 starts this season.

"Right now, I'm in Seattle," he said. "That's all I can do, the best I can for this team. And that's what I will continue to do until told otherwise."

Lee's contract ends after this season and Seattle, 15 games under .500, could decide to trade the ace to a contender to add some prospects to its farm system. The 31-year-old has been traded from Cleveland to Philadelphia to Seattle since last summer.

"I've been traded before. It's part of the game," Lee said. "I'm a Mariner now. I'm helping this team win. If they tell me I'm going to another team, I'll try to help that team win, too. Whatever.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 11:33 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 115

Dump the DH. This is baseball, not beer league softball.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 116

I think Blacky was worth the contract he signed when he was pitching like he did down the stretch last year. I think he could easily go on to be a great pitcher, but it is really frustrating to watch him struggle this year. I loved going to his games, though, because you were done after about two hours when he pitched into the 7th inning.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 117

I am all for getting rid of the DH. Makes the game much more interesting. But the reality is the players' union will never give it up as it keeps aging, often overpaid veterans on the rosters of teams.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 118

Did a little research into ADA ticket sale regulations. In short, there aren't any hard written rules governing ticket sales, yet. These type issues are currently handled on a case by case basis via registered complaints.

One such complaint, see link via my name, was against Ticket Master.

Section 41 of the link states:
TM will use reasonable efforts to ensure that future contracts with Facilities will provide: (a) that unsold Accessible Seating tickets may be transferred from SELCLS for sale to the general public no earlier than two weeks before the Attraction and only if all non-accessible seats in the same price range, which have been allotted to TM, have been sold; (b) in situations, where an additional concert or event is added less than two weeks before the scheduled event, TM will not transfer Accessible Seating tickets for that event to General Seating unless or until all non-accessible seats in the same price range, which have been allotted to TM, have been sold; and (c) before any Accessible Seating tickets can be transferred to General Seating, TM must have completed processing any outstanding e-mail requests for tickets for Accessible Seating. For existing contracts, TM will use reasonable efforts to discourage a transfer of Accessible Seating to General Seating except under the circumstances described above.

When I phoned ADA they stated they are considering adding language to address these type issues.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 2:10 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 119

ben - are you still talking? it is like an echo chamber trying to listen to you sometimes......always seem to be bitching about the same old crap over and over.......just spinning it a different way each time.

dave - your lovely wife is calling......she wants you to come to bed with her and get off the phone & computer and stop doing lame ADA research.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 9:49 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 120

Beta-
You're everybody's obnoxious little brother.

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 10:09 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 121

Beta ---

Off the meds again?

Posted on June 21, 2010 at 11:40 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 122

Dave,

I think the Twins stuck to those rules. I don't think the Twins sold the WC seating until the games where sold out. I know it looks bad now that the Twins are selling SRO tickets. To be fair to the Twins I dont think they had made a decision on the SRO tickets when they started selling WC to all fans.

When the game is sold out I dont see why WC seating should not be available to everyone. Why should a person with special needs have tickets available up to gameday when the rest of the fans needed to get the tickets months in advance.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 09:59 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 123

For those interested in authentic jerseys...MLB shop has a sale right now for 25% off (if the price is over $175)...that is even a better savings than the STH's get at the pro shops, not to mention, the prices online are also cheaper than the pro shops to begin with.

I just ordered a customized creme colored throwback jersey for $169 (regular price $224.99)

While $169 is by no means cheap, I at least know its a REAL/Authentic jersey and not a fake Chinese jersey. Some of those Chinese jerseys just look terrible in my mind and you can tell they are fake.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 10:33 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 124

Are they $169 jerseys better than the $25 china ones??? I bet the $169 ones are also made in china also!

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 10:55 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 125

What's not made in China these days?

If you collect memorabilia and apparel like I do, than yes, the authentic is better than the fake $25 ones.

The colors are much more bold, the stitching is better quality, the patches are authentic.

Your average Joe might not care about jerseys, but for someone like me who collects memorabilia and apparel, authentic is the only way to go.

It's not that difficult to point out which jerseys are fake and which ones are authentic.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 11:39 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 126

ben: nope. never felt better.

dr. x: who are you again? and why do i care?

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 12:28 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 127

Beta ---

Well, if that's the beast you can do I guess I don't want to feel that good.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 128

Sooj, what was your take on Citizen's Bank Park for things like the views, food, concourses, and so on? It's a park I'm interested in visiting in the future, but likely won't get to for quite a while.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 129

Rick said: "Interleague Play -- Why the hell are we playing the Rockies? Let the cross-town rivalries continue, but otherwise, this turkey needs to be canned. And this whole DH nonsense has really gone on long enough. Either everybody or nobody (and I know that "nobody" isn't really an option -- which means "everybody" is what we really need)."

Personally, I love interleague play. I like watching the hometown club play teams we normally don't get to see. I thought it was great seeing the Braves come to town....and the Rockies as well.

While I'm not a fan of the DH, I kind of like watchng the teams have to adjust to play the rules of the other league. One tweak that I think would be easy to implement would be to have the visiting team bring their rules with them. For example, when the Braves or Brewers come to TF, the Twins have to play by NL rules (i.e. no DH). I think the fans would really get a kick out of it.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 1:22 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 130

Joe117,

Even if all the regular tickets were sold, it's still normal procedure to hold WC tickets until two weeks or less before game day. There are numerous ADA registered complaints/resolutions that back that general procedure up. It is clear that the Twins did not follow that procedure.

The reason is very simple, even with almost 800 ADA seats at target field, that is still a very small number compared to the capacity. Every game to a WC purchasing ticket buyer is almost sold out, always. There's 49,000 seats we can never use!

There were numerous occasions where I could not get a ticket at the Dome, even when there were 20,000+ seats empty.

Yes, some may feel it's an unfair advantage given to special needs users by holding WC seats until two weeks before game day, in some cases it actually is. But there are more cases where it's a huge disadvantage being restricted to less than 2% of total seating.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 1:31 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 131

"dr. x: who are you again? and why do i care?"

I'm nobody. I only hope that someday I can be a cool guy just like you.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 3:39 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 132

Dave - If you are looking for accessible seating, than you should be on the phone/internet or at the ticket office when single game tickets go on sale on March 13.

Disabled or not, I don't think its right you can walk up the day of game and expect to get a ticket to to see the Yankees/Brewers/etc when the other fans have had to buy their tickets months in advance due to the high demand.

From the Twins perspective, they should have a designated phone number to call for accessible seating or have designated seating go on sale at a later date after the initial public sale.

I also don't have a problem with the Twins releasing WC row seats to the general public within two weeks of the game. If you require WC seats, than you should be ordering well in advance like every other fan is required to do. If you don't have your tickets within two weeks of the game, than the tickets SHOULD be sold to the general public.

I am all for accessible seating being available for those who NEED it, but they should be required to wait in line just like every other fan and purchase their tickets well in advance.

Just like the bobblehead giveaways at the Dome...fans would wait in line for hours, but yet, wheelchair patrons (and their guests) could line up at their designated wheelchair gate just a few minutes before gates open and get a bobblehead. They should be waiting in line like everyone else. That's just my opinion.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 3:50 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 133

Mike,

You have your 49,000 seats, I have my 800 seats. I can never use your seats, you can use mine.

Sound right?

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 134

Ok what are the odds of us landing Cliff Lee? 50-50? Whould you trade Slowey and Ramos to get him?

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 4:56 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 135

Dave,

Why don't the WC seats sell out at the same time as the other seats if so many people want them. Even though there are only 800 seats, it is a lot harder to get one of the 49,000 for the big games.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 136

Twinkfan-

I would DEFINITELY trade Slowey and Ramos to get him.....even if it IS a "rental" deal. Adding Lee to our rotation makes the Twins significantly more competitive for this year. Sure, we may not end up being able to re-sign Lee in the off-season, but if we have to worry about that after a World Series title, is there anything to really worry about. It's a gamble, sure....but the payoff makes it too juicy to resist, IMO. Ramos is expendable, and considering our pitching depth in the minors, so is Slowey.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:02 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 137

I would love to get Lee and would give up Ramos and Reever. I would try not to give up someone from the rotation because I would hate to see what the rotation would look like in 2011 if you did not re-sign Pavano or Lee.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:06 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 138

It would depend, I suppose, on how soon they want to get Mauer out from behind the plate. Ramos may be more important in their plans than they are letting on.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:14 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 139

dr. x: you got a long way to go son.......a long way to go. but keep plugging away as i am sure you will get "there" someday.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:21 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 140

49,000 seats? last i checked there were 39,000 and change at target field. who is tossing around the 49,000 seating figure.

i find it amusing how some WC seating users or supporters posting here seem to demand a type of special treatment when it comes to ticket buying access. but at the same time they absolutely don't want anyone else to have access to their special ticketing arrangement when there are unsold seats available. seems rather hypocritical and asking way too much on their part.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:25 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 141

Joe117,

Actually Joe they did. I called the day single tickets went on sale, I had a list of 15 games I was interested in with of goal of going to about 5-8 games. Since I live outside the metro, weekend and mid-day week games are mostly what I try for. I do this ever year, even back in the Dome days.

I did not have my pick of games, even on the first day. There were games I could not get tickets too, like the opening series, Brewers, and Yankee series. As it turns out, if I had waited tickets were eventually available for those games, the Twins held onto them for whatever reason, including the accessible seats.

I purchased tickets for 6 games the day single seats went on sale. Almost all those games the best seats I could get were in the corners: 137, 128, T, 202, 227, best being 106. I specifically asked about sections behind home plate any level, none were available for any of my target dates at that time.

Interestingly however, in May I purchased tickets to two more games, both those games I was able to get tickets field level in section 1 and 16.

On June 7'th I tried to get two tickets to one of the the 6/12, 6/13, or 6/17 games. Only SRO tickets were available at that time.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:28 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 142

Betaband,

Yes you are correct, 39,000 is the proper capacity. Typo, copy/paste hiccup followed by bad proof reading.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:32 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 143

I still maintain it's the height of stupidity to say the WC seats should sit empty rather than selling them to the general public if they aren't sold out a certain time before the game.

And I do realize the argument that's it's not as easy for a disabled person to just drop everything at the last minute and buy tickets. There should be some degree of understanding on that part, but some of the people at that Two Men On forum simply want too many exceptions if you ask me.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 5:45 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 144

Buffalo,

I agree, there should be a point where unsold WC seats are made available to the general public. One or Two weeks before game day seems reasonable to me.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 145

I've been hearing that Cliff Lee is not a good fit in lockerrooms. He's been with three teams in one year. That alone makes me a little leery.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 6:22 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 146

Dave,

It sounds like your experience went just like other fans. If you planned ahead you got tickets. Just like other fans you didn't get all the games you wanted. So...... what did the Twins do wrong. Do you feel like you should have been able to get tickets for the end of June even though nobody else could? I don't count SRO because the WC seats were probably sold before the Twins decided to sell SRO. I am sure in the future that the Twins will keep the WC seats until even the SRO tickets are sold.

Does anyone know the max for SRO? Is there a max?

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 147

Joe117,

First let me say I'm not steaming mad or anything like that. I just feel there can be significant improvements made to the process.

A few things the Twins currently do wrong:

1)They hold back tickets when single game tickets go on sale. In most cases you can get better seats by waiting to buy, rather than planning way ahead. Twins have done this for years, it's very frustrating. They hold back both general public and WC seats, a significant number of them.

2)They have no published WC ticket purchasing policy. Anyone that wants to by WC seats can no questions asked, including brokers.

3)They don't adhere to the recommended two week or less before game day holding of unsold WC seats. This season they released at least a portion of WC seats to general public months in advance.

Those are my three biggest issues with their sales process.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 7:15 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 148

i have 12 wc tickets for games in august and september. why should i feel bad? the twins had no problem charging my credit card at the kiosk.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 149

I put two $25 coins into Twin's promotional give away machine. A box came in the mail today with a Span child-size jersey, water bottle, cap and straw hat. I hope I can shake out the bobblehead and minature Target Field.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 8:08 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 150

Dave, Are you the same Dave that commented on the "Two Men On" blog?

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 8:18 PM by TwoMenOn Highlight this comment 151

Regarding the schedule (since WC seating seems to be pretty well covered now).

Keep interleague, fine. I don't care if you play home or road rules. Let interleague determine the All Star game if you don't want players to get hurt during the game. And most importantly, take one or two of the rotations within the division out and replace it with another rotation through the other two divisions in your league.

Last, I like it when all of the games are the same on any given night. i.e. when all of the cross-town rivals are playing, or when all of the division rivals are playing across baseball. I think if they did as suggested above, teams could still play out the season and then the last month could be devoted entirely to divisional matchups to create some direct competition for the division pennant.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 8:39 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 152

I meant to say...let interleague play determine World Series home field advantage.

Any chance we'll get an edit button? (Rick-Put it on the list after TCTraders improvements, but before creating a threaded board in your spare time. ha ha).

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 8:41 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 153

Dave, Are you the same Dave that commented on the "Two Men On" blog?

Yes. And Hi!

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 9:39 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 154

Buxx,

Is there another box explosively coming? I sure hope so for $50, as none of those are prime giveaways if you ask me.

Throw in a mini-TF and Bobblehead, that would make it worth it. I am not too sure how many people camped outside for the stuff you mentioned to be the prime giveaways..

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 11:35 PM by TK Highlight this comment 155

I am hoping for more promo items for my $50. The kid's jersey fits my wife. I will use the water bottle at games. The straw cowboy hat will be good for yard work. The cap will go on the pile of promo caps my wife will give to Salvation Army after i die.

There was no note in the box and no info on the STH section on the Twins site. Will feel like a rube if there is not more coming. Amusing, none the less.

Posted on June 22, 2010 at 11:57 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 156

Thanks Buzz,

If I recall the order form, it mentioned something about 6-8 of the hot items from this year. It appears that the items you mention are already passed giveaways, so hopefully we will find out in August/September.

I would think the bat giveaway would be more popular that a straw hat, but what do I know :)

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 12:11 AM by TK Highlight this comment 157

DR X -

I don't think the reason Cliff Lee has played for three teams in the past coupld of seasons has anything to do with his personality. The Indians moved him because they were out of contention and wanted to rebuild with prospects. The Phillies moved him because they couldn't afford to keep him AND Halliday. The Mariners are looking to move him for the same reason the Indians did, plus they know he is a free agent at the end of the season. They could either move him now and get something in return, or wait until the offseason - watch him sign with someone else and get nothing in return - what would you do?

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 07:10 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 158

RADIO...NEEDS to get back to AM 830
That's the only station with great nighttime power. AM 1500's signal is very crackly even here in St. Michael/Buffalo area. That's not acceptable

Within the Twin Cities, it should be clear as a bell like on AM 830

Do whatever it takes, but just get them back!

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 11:02 AM by OldMetFan71 Highlight this comment 159

FCOL! Where is my bobblehead man? I'm a season ticket holder. You have to register or pay for the giveaways er something? Holy Cow!!!!!!

Stinker last night by Moonshot! Look who is only 4.5 games back! The mighty whities?????FCOL!!!!!!!!

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 11:21 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 160

WOW

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 11:34 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 161

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Posted on June 23, 2010 at 11:35 AM by Tom (aka Li) Highlight this comment 162

"Where is my bobblehead man?"

In the past, at least, the swag was drawn only from those items that had been already issued. This sounds like a box of junk to me. You used to get ALL FOUR of the bobbleheads and BOTH of the "bronze" statues as well as some junk. The first box should include, at minimum, a lure and the bobblehead - the second the mini TF and at least one other "nice" item to come even close to what's been done heretofore. This is beginning to sound like one of the $15 grab-bags at Twinsfest.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 12:25 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 163

Fred-
The Mariners would get 2 draft picks in round one (somewhere in the 30 range) if they hold onto him. It's not nothing and the draft next year is supposedly deep, so teams with 3 round one picks (or more) could get some really good players. If Lee gets traded and that team doesn't sign him then they get the draft picks. Those picks might be more important than a trade for the Mariners, depending on what they'd get in return.

That's kind of why the trade market for him is unknown/high priced. You get Lee, if you make the playoffs you get playoff Lee and then you get two draft picks very likely. It sounds like he really, really wants to test free agency (having said so multiple times) and turned down a deal similar to Roy Halladay's from the Phillies.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 12:28 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 164

To add to what I just said:
Before the trades for Rauch and Hardy, I would have preferred the Twins getting two draft picks out of Santana (and having him for that year) instead of what they got from the Mets.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 165

Click my name for an interesting article comparing many major league baseball parks and how the outfields look. It only has 21 parks, but it is an interesting look nevertheless.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 1:25 PM by Mort Highlight this comment 166

Show me the bobbleheads!!!!! Where are they? Anyone?

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 2:02 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 167

"Show me the bobbleheads! Where are they? Anyone?"

Not issued yet.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 2:05 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 168

I would like to see Clear Channel get the Twins. It would be nice to have a FM option just like the Vikings.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 169

I'm in the minority, but I think the Twins should stay on KSTP. They've gone the extra mile to build programming around them unlike anything WCCO did while the Twins were there. The "Good Neighbor" doesn't deserve the Twins.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 5:21 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 170

I don't want anyone to think that my assumptions about Lee's effect on a lockerroom are something assumed simply because of the number of uniforms he wore this year and last. ESPN alluded to his (sometimes) negative impact on a clubhouse. Granted, it's ESPN and they need to fill 24 hours a day with chatter, but where there's smoke, there's often fire.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 5:44 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 171

They definitely need to leave KSTP. Their refusal to address the weak signal issue is either inability to fix an issue (most likely) or arrogance. Either way it hasn't gotten any better since the switch, and it's torture to try and find local affiliates on the road.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 7:42 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 172

I know that I have to listen to the Twins either on the Rochester or Owatonna affiliate (I'm about 1/2 in between) now, but when the Twins were on 830 I could just listen to that and knew it would come in well. At night, the two affiliates are sketchy and 1500 does not come in at all. I could care less about anything that 1500 has done in the community, etc. (call me ignorant or selfish); all I care about is being able to hear the games well.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 9:06 PM by ole Highlight this comment 173

Minnesota Twins biggest group of underachievers in MLB. This team is so frustrating to watch. Takes 2 of 3 from the defending National League champions. Then lose first two games against the garbage Brewers.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 9:47 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 174

And that play right there should be proof enough that Cuddy should not be playing third base!!

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 175

Looks like ticket price stock is diminishing by the minute...

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM by TK Highlight this comment 176

The Twins are a bigger tease than some of the girls back in High School...

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 10:28 PM by TK Highlight this comment 177

Are the problems with KSTP due to the wattage? If so, that may not be so easily fixed due to the FCC.

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 10:42 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 178

Will the True Blue Brew Crew be sweeping today! Get Cuddy out of the infield! We are fer sure in a funk! How bout the stats on some former Twin pitchers? RA Dickey 6-0 for the mets. Silva 8-2 with the cubbies and inning eater Levon Hernandez with the Nationals at 6-4 with a 2.32 era? LOL!!!!!!! This team needs a kick in the ass and a spark!! Go get Cliff Lee!!!!!!!!!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 08:44 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 179

TwinkFan,

For sure in a funk? They just took two of three from Philly and Colorado. Losing two in a row isn't exactly a funk, me thinks.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 09:26 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 180

Fab, 4-6 last 10 not a funk?

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 10:26 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 181

Looks like we got ourselves a 3 team race! Whitties red hot 8 straight now only 3.5 games out! FCOL!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 182

Losing streak ends today, but how long will a winning streak last, hopefully not less than 24 hours...

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 10:54 AM by TK Highlight this comment 183

Well I said they would finish this road trip 3-6 a week ago. They lose again today and looks quite probable! Ramos and Slowey or Blackburn for Lee! I mean what are we going to do with Ramos anyways? Although Lee will end up with the Mets or Yankees next year anyways. What do you think Lee could bring on the Free Agent market? 10-12 mil a year?

Senior team officials tell Bob Klapisch of FOXSports.com that there's "no chance" Jon Niese will be moved in a deal for Cliff Lee.
The Mets would love to add Lee, but it would be counter-productive to include a young, team-controlled left-hander like Niese in a potential trade. Not many teams have a major-league ready left-hander, so that doesn't necessarily put the Mets out as a potential destination. That being said, the Twins are probably better positioned for a trade for Lee, should they be willing to give up catching prospect Wilson Ramos.Source: FOXSports.com

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 11:18 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 184

Lee turned down 3/60 from the Phillies. He wants more. Who knows if he'll get it on the FA market, but if the Yanks come calling...

I can easily see him getting 15 a year minimum though. I doubt it will be any less.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 12:50 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 185

Jorge it seems consensus is that KSTP is on a high frequency, which makes long distance more difficult. WCCO 830, and WNAX 570, etc. are low frequency, which lets them travel farther without interference. That's why in my original comments I think it's an issue they just plain can't fix.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 186

I like how Dick was talking this afternoon about our line-up when we return to AL rules with Cuddy at 3rd and possibility of having Thome at the 8 spot and having a solid line-up, and having to give up some defense to do that, but have a potent line-up.

Well, it does not matter much if this team cannot start hitting and getting some starting pitching.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM by TK Highlight this comment 187

The June Swoon continued for Blackie! Nice line 3.2 IP, 6 Hits, 5 earned runs! FCOL! After a lights out May we get this? Funk Slump call it what you want. I also see another error today! Now we aren't even fielding! Maybe a 3-6 road trip is a strech? The 23 million dollar man on the pine again!!!! LOL!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:34 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 188

Brewer pitcher has a no hitter through 5 innings!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:37 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 189

TwinkFan,

Of all the people not mentioned in Dicks potent line-up, Butera comes through and breaks up the perfect game bid.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:40 PM by TK Highlight this comment 190

Butera breaks up the no no! LOL! Who needs Mauer? FCOL!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 191

You beat me to the punch TK by a minute! LOL!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:42 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 192

The way this season is going and the way the last two seasons have gone, what happens if 3 teams tie for the division after 162?

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:44 PM by TK Highlight this comment 193

Yep Whitties making a run!!!!!! Might only be 2.5 games out after today! Ozzie has em playing!!!!!!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:48 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 194

I definitely don't like all the talk about Cuddyer at third. He's still awful there and he should be moved down in the lineup too.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 3:37 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 195

Wow swept by the hapless Brewers! Shut out with just 5 hits! I think a closed door meeting in order here! Oh and the Whitties meanwhile win again! 9th straight to close to 2.5 games out!!!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 3:43 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 196

This team looks like it has lost interest, I wish we had a manager like Ozzie who has some passion and gets the most out of his players. Gardy is a joke! Getting swept by the lowly Brew crew is unacceptable. The White Sox will run away with this division if they dont get there crap together. 60% of our starting rotation sucks. This team is 21-23 since May 5th and 9-12 in June.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 197

TwinkFan, do us all a favor and limit yourself to one or less posts a day. You are making this place devoid of all intelligent discussion.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 3:54 PM by A Former Poster Highlight this comment 198

Scoreboard watching in June? Gimme a break.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 3:55 PM by Rick 199

Good points dog! We are in a funk no doubt. Perhaps a little closed door session is in order!!!!GET MAD!!!!!!!!!!We could be 3-4 games out by the end of the Kitty series next week!!!!!!FCOL!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 3:56 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 200

I see Pavano going against Santana on Saturday!!! Gotta take at least one game out there!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 201

What I'd really love is an update on Miller Park. Did anybody go down for the series?

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM by Rick 202

Rick I was there when it first opened. Place was a sweat box even with the airport hanger roof open. They get no air in that joint and the atmosphere just not happening! I see they were closing it late in the game last night. Sure glad we don't play in that over sized hanger!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:06 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 203

Seriously Twinkfan chill out or take a pill dude. This site is about ballpark stuff OK?

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:12 PM by Long time lurker Highlight this comment 204

wow twinkfan......just wow. hard to tell most of the time if i am reading posts from a grown man or from the t-mobile sidekick of a 15 year old high school chick who is addicted to texting all day long while comically overusing acronyms & abbreviations.

i mean FCOL!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 205

Rick,

Just wanted to let you know I used the link from this site to RapidPark to reserve a spot in there lot for a game during the last homestand. And they are awesome, great customer service, esecially from the CSR named Betsy or Becky, can't remember.

The link is great for us St. Paul types that are afraid of the big city.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM by trebor651 Highlight this comment 206

So where is the rant board then?

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 207

I noticed that most of the players at Miller had the wet sweat hair, you could just tell it was really muggy in that place. Every time they came back from a commercial and did a sweeping panorama I was reminded again why I'm so glad the Twins didn't do a roof.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 208

Used to make the trip to county stadium every year. Was like being at the old met. Great old yard. New place looks like a huge football. They do have tailgaiting there though! Trbor you should try parking just north of the stadium along 5th St N. Free parking on both sides of the street easy in and out and a great Holiday station to load up on the goods before the game!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 209

Anybody by chance headed out to Citi Field? I'd love to publish your photos.

(By the way, I have some great pictures of TF from the last homestand that I hope to edit tonight.)

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:40 PM by Rick 210

I've been to Miller a few times with college buddies who grew up in Wisconsin. Even when it opened, the biggest compliment they could give it was "functional." (Milwaukee's weather, blah, blah) They all thought County was better, but didn't have the ameneties (suites, kiddie playlands, etc.) I know I liked County better too - total blue collar ballpark, which fit Milwaukee. My cheesehead friends all love to tailgait, and that seems to make up for the total lack of character their new ballpark has. I agree. Tailgaiting is a great experience there.

I do remember going on a 96 degree day, tailgaiting, drinking, and then they closed the roof in the third inning becasue of storms coming and that is the hottest I have ever been at any event in my life - sweat puring down from everywhere. There was no air movement at all - it was truly like a sauna. People were dropping like flies in the stadium. Of course, I was smart enough to mix in some H2O. The cheeseheads weren't as smart!

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM by ole Highlight this comment 211

obviously i would rather not see the twins lose games to inferior teams like this, but perhaps it will be a small blessing in disguise from a twins front office standpoint.

it will hopefully (if the pohlads have any self-respect and care about the actual product on the field and NOT just about signing more gimmicky and sometimes lame advertising/sponsorship deals with their shiny new tax payer funded target field) make bill smith finally have to prove if he is worth anything as a major league GM. i.e. can he get a game-changing cliff lee deal done. this current pitching staff isn't going to do it....that is for sure.

so far bill smith has:

1.) failed miserably on the johan santana trade. he handled that about as poorly as a GM could considering santana's stature and value at the time. no sure if any of those guys from the mets are even still in the twins system with the exception of a pitcher in AA ball.

2.) made what looked like for a while to be another botched trade in sending garza and bartlett to the rays for delmond young. thankfully that isn't looking quite as bad this season.

3.) signed a couple guys this season (hudson and thome) that were really "no brainers" and likely didn't take all that much "out of the box thinking" to sign.

4.) signed j.j. hardy who has spent most of the season sitting in the training room and on the bench because he can't slide into third base feet first without somehow managing to mangle his wrist. that is pretty tough to accomplish when a guy wasn't even sliding head first into the base. and now j.j. apparently won't stop being a pussy about it and fight through it.

5.) resigning a hometown guy in joe mauer and overpaying him didn't take as much as some people (i.e. his few friends in the press) have tried to give him a lot of undue credit for.

6.) resigning justin morneau was a no-brainer and didn't take any real work from bill smith.

other than that i can't think of much else bill smith has actually accomplished as GM baseball wise that has made a real difference in terms of the roster and generating playoff wins. most of the really tough "work" has been done by his foot soldier rob antony.

hopefully bill smith will now actually have to PROVE to the pohlads that he even knows what he is doing as GM. and if he doesn't prove it that they actually have the stones to kick his "glorifie-accountant-in-GM's-clothing-i-fell-into-this-job" ass to the curb.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 5:08 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 212

Harris cleared waivers and is now a Red Wing. Repko called up. Sweet and about time.

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 5:19 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 213

Swept? Milwaukee? Really?

Posted on June 24, 2010 at 7:48 PM by swept Highlight this comment 214

Next 16 games leading up to the all star game will tell us if we are gonna be contenders or pretenders. Det and TB at home. Mets, Tor, Det all on the road! Glad they sent Harris down. Now if we can only get this years version or Joe Crede at SS going again and the starters to quit throwing up BP we can stay in this thing! What is O-Dog hitting since his return to 2nd base?

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 08:36 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 215

JJ Hardy has a bad case of vaginatis!

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 10:07 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 216

vaginitis

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 10:31 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 217

To hell with his wrist. Get him back out there. Can he swing a bat? Who cares? Get him out there. Can he throw or catch the ball? Who cares? Get him the hell out there! Would he be detrimental to the team? Who cares? Get him out there.

Sure, we'll stay home from work with a headache or the sniffles, but JJ should be out there, playing with a level of pain we have no way of gauging.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 218

I spent all three days in Milwaukee. Miller Park was a sauna the first two nights. The baseball was horribly boring to watch. I feel I should be owed something after Morneau admitted the energy wasn't high from the team. If I am going to drop a few Benjamins, I expect at the very least the team to attempt to win, especially knowing that a large contingent of their fan base will be making the trip.

Three highlights: 1. Stayed at the Pfister Hotel where the team stays. It was cool to run into teammates in the elevator, lobby, etc. 2. Miller Brewery Tour. 3. Harley-Davidson Museum. Without these moments, the trip would have been a waste.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 219

Truth, any rumor to the Pfister being haunted? I know Go Go would not sleep in his room alone. He and Jerry White thinking the joint was haunted! LOL! Curious what a room at that place runs?

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 220

TTH,

Anything new at Miller Park? Any photos to show?

One thing I remember distinctly was that the parking was outrageously priced -- even the lot where you have to walk for about a mile. Still true?

Dazzle had a long rant yesterday afternoon about players not properly tipping hotel employees. "Some of these million dollar guys don't want to come up with the two bucks it would take..."

It started as an email question about travel schedules and get-away days, which sounded a whole lot like my experience of travel with choirs (just substitute "risers and robes" for "baseball equipment and uniforms"), then veered quickly into talk about the Pfister (which everyone quite likes), and tipping the bellman.

Gladden got pretty riled up. John Gordon admitted that he fears for his luggage in only one city (New York, because "there are always a million people in the lobby" -- bad timing on that admission I think). And the only name mentioned was Matt Guerrier -- as an example of how to do everything with high class.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM by Rick 221

Is Mauer tipping the way of one Kevin Garnett used to? OUCH!

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 11:23 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 222

Hardy is a big reason for this team's success and his absence is a big reason for their troubles lately. It sickens me to see the backlash against him. You would think even the casual baseball fan would have some sense of how an injured wrist could take a long time to recover and how even if it's slightly less than 100 percent it would hold you back, considering the game they are playing. Sad.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 11:32 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 223

Yes, but the sheer panic exhibited here after a couple of losses is pure gold in the entertainment department!

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 224

And it's not just a regular bruise. It's a bone bruise. When he does activities before it's fully healed he is making it worse. These types of bruises sometimes take months to heal, unfortunately.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 225

I heard the rambling story about luggage and customs and chartered flights. It was another of those "forget about the game, let me talk on and on" moments between those two. Of course, if the Twins were playing better, then I would be more upset at losing the focus on the game.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 2:49 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 226

I had a shin bone bruise once that swelled up to nearly twice its normal size for about a month. Hurt like hell to walk on it most of a summer. Give Hardy some time.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 2:59 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 227

Schedule. How is that we only play the Yanks 6 times and then Boston only 5 times but play Tampa 9 times and Baltimore 8 times?? Goofy man!

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 3:20 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 228

Wow, we had five posts in a row without TwinkFan excitedly telling us something! LOL! FCOL!! Go Twins!!!

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 4:47 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 229

I prepaid for my parking online when I purchased tickets. Those were $8 per day. (Not bad, considering the Pfister charged $25 per day to park in its ramp!) General admission is a bit of a walk, but probably nothing more than parking where i do at the ramp on 4th Street/Nicollet Mall for home games.

Can't say anything about Twins' tipping, but they were quite accessible. In fact, as my friend and I were waiting in the lobby for the elevator and the doors opened, out popped Baby Jesus who acknowledged our presence with a soft "Hey guys." Another time as we got off the elevator, Kubel, Guerrier, Rauch, Punto, Morneau and his wife, and a couple of others were stepping on.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 5:54 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 230

It's been a while since I posted here...it's nice to see some really powerful summer weather out there today.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 6:44 PM by luke Highlight this comment 231

whatever this rube dr. x says.....i will always think and say the opposite. ALWAYS my friend! ALWAYS!

why? because i know he riles him up to no end! :-)

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 232

first and third....no one out.......and our "all stars" mauer and morneau can't even get one guy in. and we wonder why the tigers and white sox are suddenly crawling up the twins ass within a span of about 1.5 weeks. just sad.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 7:04 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 233

Wow. It looks like in the Twins first game in New York, they took an early lead, but squandered the chance to blow the game open by leaving too many men on base. Eventually, the opponents took the lead when they had a huge inning against the Twins starting pitcher, who was sailing along before that huge inning.

I've never seen this happen before.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 8:10 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 234

Souhan doesn't even mention Gardenhire in his column about the Twins' lethargy. It's unbelievable how big his free pass is in this town. Un-frickin-believable.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 10:39 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 235

I am losing my patience with this team. I think it is about time to hit the panic button.

Posted on June 25, 2010 at 11:55 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 236

Over on uniwatchblog.com today, they give a retrospective of Rosenblatt Stadium, longtime home of the College World Series. It will be replaced next year with a new Corporately Named Ballpark in downtown Omaha. See link.

Posted on June 26, 2010 at 07:36 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 237

I was kind of half listening to Gladden in the late innings during todays game (twins up 5-0), when he mentioned something about skydiving.

Did he say that someone will be skydiving into Target field prior to some game this year? Was he talking about a game at another park? If this is scheduled for Target field, what is the date?

Posted on June 26, 2010 at 2:39 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 238

Minn, the skydivers are before the game on "US Armed Services Appreciation Day", July 3rd.

The fine print says "subject to weather", too. ;-)

Posted on June 26, 2010 at 3:48 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 239

Did anyone make the trip to see the Twins and Mets this weekend?

I'm here in Minneapolis, but got to see Citi Field last season. It's not as bad as some might say, but we got a better stadium in Target Field by some distance.

Posted on June 26, 2010 at 10:09 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 240

Tuesday will be my one and only game this season. I'm wondering, from those of you who have been to TF a few times, what are some of the things I should be sure not to miss? Sites? Food? Etc?

Posted on June 27, 2010 at 4:16 PM by James1979 Highlight this comment 241

James - click my name for my blog. I did several posts early season about my experiences at TF.
Might have to scroll down to find them...

Posted on June 27, 2010 at 4:52 PM by luke Highlight this comment 242

Well I must say I was spot on with my 3-6 road trip record. Tough 7 game homestand coming up! Will be at the game tommorow night! Need to go minimum 5-2 on this homestand to keep in the race. Next 13 games will tell us alot!

Posted on June 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 243

twinkfan - stfu

Posted on June 27, 2010 at 10:00 PM by ugh Highlight this comment 244

It makes me wonder why WCCO would run that news story about that lady being struck by a foul ball at Target Field?

Perhaps, this lady or an acquantance of this lady wants some attention and thinks the Twins will give her some tickets or something by getting this story on the news?

These accidents are nothing new at ballparks so I don't know why she thinks the Twins should owe her something. Could the Twins have better acknowledged the accident, yes, but do the Twins owe her anything? I don't think so. In all due respect, I don't know the whole story and I don't know the Twins' side of the story either. It says right on the tickets that the Twins are not responsible and the ticket holder assumes all risks incidental to the game of baseball including flying bats and balls.

I guess I dont even know why this is a news story other than this lady or an acquantence of this lady called WCCO and wanted to air this story so they could get some free tickets or something from the Twins.

It also makes me wonder what section/row they sat in?

It just bothers me something like this is a news story when accidents like this can happen at ballparks.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 08:06 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 245

The young woman was in 103 maybe a third of the way up from the field. That ball was there in an instant. Fans immediately tended to her. You would think a person could get out of the way until one is coming right at you that fiercely hit. She was being helped/treated in her seat for quite a while before moving and it was obviously a bad deal. As far as the story --- maybe it was just a slow news day - Span's mom got hit (by a ball off his own bat), did NOT get her face bashed in, and it went viral.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 08:24 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 246

Mike if you are sitting on either side of the net that low you better be ready to duck. I know Span can spray them over there 3rd base side in a heartbeat with those late swings. You are taking your life in your own hands not paying attention down there. Looks like a great night for a ballgame!

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 08:28 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 247

I don't see a big conspiracy here against the Twins either. Just a public service announcement to remind people be alert. With twice as many people at games compared to the Metrodome, and in a smaller space, the likelihood of getting whacked with a ball at Target Field is much higher. I see lots of people gabbing with their friends, looking for a beer vendor, or watching to see if the wave is heading their way instead of concentrating on the game. Hopefully it's a wake-up call for many to pay attention.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 09:25 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 248

Went to Omaha this weekend to pay homage to Rosenblatt Stadium. Really a great atmosphere. The teams' fans & alums travel really well. Omaha really embraces the CWS and everyone was extraordinarily friendly around town. I read something from Jim Callis, from Baseball America, who was also in Omaha for the CWS. He said that Omaha might be the best city in America that nobody knows about (Old Market area, the Zoo, vibrant arts scene, etc). I might tend to agree minus the weather. It was 96 degrees and they announced a heat index of 106. You haven't lived until you've felt the "stickyness" in that area of the country this time of year (KC, St. Louis, Memphis, etc).

I drove by the new TD Ameritrade Stadium yesterday before leaving town. Looks like it will be a nice modern facility (near the Qwest Center closer to downtown) to the tune of 150 million dollars. The old Rosenblatt was starting to look pretty worn.

I'd say this is a must trip if you love baseball...

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:16 AM by Max Highlight this comment 249

I wonder if there are some changes which could be made to the netting (at all ballparks, not just TF) to protect fans a little further down the lines. Maybe a triangular section extending from the current edge of the net out to the far end of each dugout.

The trade-off is that some people don't like to watch from behind a net. But I've personally never found it to be that big of a deal.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:29 AM by Rick 250

"I see lots of people gabbing with their friends, looking for a beer vendor, or watching to see if the wave is heading their way instead of concentrating on the game."

Or texting. Or talking on the cell phone. Or otherwise deserving to get clobbered.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:32 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 251

BTW: I just remembered I forgot to give my thoughts following my trip to the East Coast last week (Pittsburgh, Philly, Cooperstown, & Baltimore).

Pitt: Very similar look to Target Field. The Allegheny River and the Clemente Bridge give it a cool vibe before or after the game with boats floating loaded with partying folks. PNC is usually rated the #1 ballpark in MLB. After going, I'm not sure I can completely concur. It is very nice and probably Top 5 (depending upon your ranking criteria). I thought the concession prices were very reasonable and there was a nice selection of local brews. I bought the wheelchair seats in the 1st row directly from the box office. Nice sightlines, but the product on the field left a lot to be desired (Pirates & Indians).

Philly: I was there for the epic Saturday comeback. Took the Subway from downtown out to the Sports Complex. Scalped a pair of seats down the 1st baseline. It was another sellout of 45K. Great to see lots of Twins fans made the trip. I was really impressed by Citizens Bank Park. The concourses are enormous (probably almost twice as wide as Target Field) and there were tons of standing room areas or places to stand/eat out near Greg Luzinski's BBQ in Center Field. The Phillies were not constricted by space (unlike the Twins) so the ballpark includes lots of extra concession stands/restaurants/bars/souveneir stands. I thought the park felt intimate yet had plenty of room even with a sellout crowd on a very hot day. The game went from agony to ecstasy in the 9th, 10th, & 11th innings. I witnessed an epic fight in the stands (not unusual in the least in Philly) between 2 Twins fans and 2 Phillies fans.

Cooperstown: If you are a baseball rube in the least you owe it to yourself to make the trip to upstate NY to see this gem of a town. The Hall of Fame is tremendous and changes frequently. This was my 3rd trip to Cooperstown and first since 2001. You can spend all day inside the museum or without reading things probably cruise through it in about 2-3 hours. Cooperstown is located on Otesaga Lake which is very picturesque. There is a gorgeous hotel called The Otesaga which has a golf course etc directly on the lakeshore. This is where the HOFers and VIPs stay when they come to town in late July for the induction ceremonies. There are 2 breweries to see and get a tour if you wish. They keep tremendous care of the city grounds and the downtown main street really is pretty. They've built the largest little league baseball complex I've ever seen just south of town on Route 28 called Cooperstown Dream Park. Every kid in town for a tournament looked like he had died and gone to heaven.

Baltimore: The inner harbor sure is pretty. The hotel rate not so much. Clearly it was a peak summer rate at the Baltimore Marriott Waterfront ($339 plus taxes/parking). Lots of great seafood and we had lunch at a place called the Rusty Scupper. The ballpark was very nice, but you can see it was definitely the 1st of the "new" designs. No open concourses, no premium seating, etc. The concessions were incredibly overpriced and the attendance was pathetic (15K on a Tuesday night). The Orioles are terrible and the O's fans around us are really upset with the ownership in Peter Angelos who continues to run them into the ground. I had a pork sandwich from Boog's BBQ out on the street near the B & O Warehouse. I bet this would be a fun place when it is full to capacity.

If anyone has questions about any of the parks, shoot away and I'll try to answer them.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM by Max Highlight this comment 252

I do not like looking behind the net. My eyes keep focusing on the net and back onto the field. Target field has to be right up there with the batters box close to the fans! But man section 103 is quite a ways down the line!

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 253

Nice report Max! Was at Camden yards about 8 years ago. Great ballpark with the harbor and all close by. Thats a great ball town. Too bad the O's are stinking it up. With the Nationals just down the road i'm sure they have cut into the fan base a tad also.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 11:05 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 254

Ben, walked right by the Rosenblatt ballpark when going to the zoo next door several years ago in the fall. Looked like a nice little ballpark. Would have liked to have taken a game in there for the CWS. New ballpark downtown looks very nice. I suppose they will expand the zoo at the old park site once they tear it down!

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 11:13 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 255

"Rusty Scupper"

Used to be one out on the Bloomington Strip - maybe a franchise? One of Tommy Kramer's favorite hangouts. He got ratted out there once and barely made it out of the lot before the city's finest swooped in.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 256

rick - based on some prior comments you seem to have been angling for some kind of extension of the net for a while. personally, i don't think it is needed. hard foul balls have been hit by batters into the stands for 150 years. it ain't happening! ;-)

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 257

actually, now that i think about it, i think i saw this happen as well. if i recall correctly this wasn't even a ball that got there extrememly quick and her seat wasn't even really that close to home plate, imo.

my view of it was that if the girl had been watching the game she would have had time to either duck or put her hands up. it appeared that she wasn't even facing towards the field of play and was gabbing with someone when it hit her. everyone else around here was standing up to try and catch the foul ball. she just sat there oblivious to it......until it hit her face of course.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 12:28 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 258

Ben yes the Scupper was Tommy Blamers favorite along with Summerfields across the freeway at the old Ramada Inn. He crashed his car the night before playing the KC Chiefs the last game at the old met! Course we lost that game! Oh those tiny white short shorts those waitreses used to wear at summerfields were something else!

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 259

It was at the 6/17 Rockies game and the ball was there in a flash. She must of at least been facing towards the plate to get injured on that side of her face. If you've ever had one hit at or toward you you know how quickly they can get to you. If she was doing anything but paying attention to the at-bat I don't feel sorry for her - but this one might be a legit clobber.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 12:50 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 260

Max -

While at the CWS, did you make it to Pauli's?

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 1:17 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 261

RE: Pauli's

I did not. What did I miss? I did eat some amazing chicken enchiladas at Stoke's Grill & Bar at 12th and Howard in the Old Market.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 1:58 PM by Max Highlight this comment 262

Betaband,

I don't recall ever taking some sort of principled stand on the issue, but every time I hear a story like this, two things come to mind:

1. Physics/geometry/history/probability
2. Public relations

It's not that I think the team should pay anything or do anything special for fans who get hurt. I understand why they don't, and agree that they shouldn't. These things are the very nature of the game.

And you won't hear me pining away for protection of section 103 under any circumstances. You're on your own down there. Bring your glove. Pay attention.

But it's certainly possible to determine the relative danger of sitting in any given seat based on a handful of variables. Seats with danger levels above a certain threshold really ought to be protected by netting.

The most obviously dangerous areas are already protected, of course, but the first seat outside the netting is almost equal in danger to the first seat behind the netting. If the seat behind the net would have a "danger rating" of 100 were it out in the open, the guy in the next seat has a rating of something like 99.

This is just a guess, but I think that if you plotted the relative danger levels, you'd find something of a bell curve (hence my triangle idea). That is, the closer you are to home plate and the closer you are to the field the higher the danger. Based on history, you could also probably determine a "power alley" of sorts where a lot of hot shots have gone in the past. Down in 103, for example, your danger rating would be pretty low, but obviously not zero. (There's dissertation material here for somebody.)

Once that is all calculated, it's a matter of just finding a way to protect the seats with the highest danger ratings, acknowledging that they might not be only those directly behind home plate.

It's fair to ask why a team might even consider such a thing, given that the current configuration is over 100 years old and they have no legal obligation to make any change at all.

That's where public relations come in.

Every time there's a story like this, MLB comes off as looking heartless because some poor fan who "just wanted to have a good time" is shown with bruises, cuts, huge medical expenses and the team has to maintain either complete silence or a very cold shoulder.

Adding protection for fans (such as Denard Span's mom) could mitigate the taste left in the public's mouth when this inevitably happens again. More than that, it might actually prevent injuries, and that's always a good thing, even if you wouldn't have had to pay for them.

Beyond that, I've always suspected that the legal language on the back of the ticket is just begging for a challenge from some aggressive attorney. Even if such a challenge failed, it could be a PR nightmare, and could draw the attention of some governmental body that would suddenly have a regulatory urge.

It's a little bit like the old second-hand smoke problem. For the longest time it was, "Hey, if you choose to go to a smokey bar, you accept the risks of injury to your lungs." Eventually, however, warnings and waivers were no longer sufficient. Regulation reared its head because there was a genuine public safety issue.

It's really quite amazing that no one has challenged the MLB before on this. And every time I read another story like that, I wonder if this will be the time.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 2:06 PM by Rick 263

Last person to be killed by a ball at MLB park was
In May 1970, a foul liner from Manny Mota killed a 14-year-old fan named Alan Fish in Los Angeles. To this day many Dodger fans remember Mota more for this incident than anything else he had accomplished on and off the field." I know some have died at hockey rinks from pucks and thus the netting behind the nets now. I remember many a shot deflecting into the crowd just above the plexiglass at the ends of the rink!

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 2:20 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 264

Max -

You didn't miss anything earth-shattering - Pauli's is a large Hubert's-esque sports bar that has become one of the unofficial beergardens of the CWS, and hangout for many of the fan-groups of frequent CWS participants (LSU, Cal St. Fullerton, Texas, etc). When I lived there, ESPN used to have its CWS "Gameday" set on-site at Pauli's, with all the drunk co-eds in the background. You did much better at Stoke's. I might suggest for your next trip a steak at Omaha Prime (also in the Old Market, I think on 11th). The steak to end all steaks.

For some reason, I'm suddenly very hungry . . .

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 2:36 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 265

We gonna see Cuddy at 3rd again tonight? Who is going? Are the $1.00 dogs gone by the 2nd inning? LOL!

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 4:26 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 266

SRO sold out tonight already

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM by tom Highlight this comment 267

My "Guaranteed Giveaway" package (round one) arrived today. This has to be the sourest joke the Twins have engaged in yet this year. The water bottle has to be at least a 19 cent item.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 5:36 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 268

rick - we will just have to agree to disagree. my personal view is that the portion of the public who views incidents such as this as horrible PR for said team is a very small one at that. 99% of people understand that they are responsible for themselves and that they have to pay attention to their surroundings at sporting events.

it is the 1% who try to create an extreme response (i.e. blood sucking lawyers, media whores, etc.) to random occurances like this that drive me nuts.

p.s. i am not saying you are part of that "1%" on this subject. you obviously have a measured and appropriate view of it while being willing to see (perhaps a bit too much) all sides of it.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 269

i see that twinkfan has moved from exclamation points (!) to question marks (?) now. nice..........

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 6:52 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 270

Wow, glad I did not pay the SH prices tonight...

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 7:19 PM by TK Highlight this comment 271

i am standing on the ledge when it comes to the twins. so close to being done with this team and this manager.

tired of this lame pitching staff of #3's & #4's.

tired of putting guys like punto and harris and casilla on this roster and trying to pawn them off on paying fans as major leaguers.

tired of a bunch of guys taking strike after strike after strike while in the box.

tired of all of their lame folksy "outdoor" baseball commercials. hey.....guess what we aren't the only mlb team playing baseball outdoors. get over yourselves twins management and ownership.

tired of watching a $24 million per year glorified doubles and singles hitter fail time after time

tired of watching a right fielder/third baseman and a DH with the initials JK fail time after time

finding i don't really "enjoy" watching the twins play baseball anymore. pretty sure i am not renewing with my season ticket group next year. bummer as it has been a good 5 years with them. peace out twins. go take someone else's money. i paid for top flight mlb baseball. you are giving me a bunch of glorified AAA crap.

is it gopher football and viking football season yet?

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 7:36 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 272

Does hitting the same spot for a LH and RH pitcher differ? Bonderman is getting the calls Liriano is not, however, Bonderman didn't give up 6 hits...

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 7:39 PM by TK Highlight this comment 273

oh almost forgot......tired of a team who is pathetically lame and fails over and over when men are in scoring position.

i don't even care if they come back and win tonight. this team is not fun to watch and their horrible style of play and gardenhire have FINALY been exposed. good. hope it costs gardenhire and bill smith a job in the next year or so.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 7:40 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 274

Beta your such a rube.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 7:44 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 275

Mark Beta's words, he is giving up on the Twins. He hates everything about this team and will never cheer for them again. Don't do anyone any favors big guy. Please leave this forum if you are no longer a fan. I'm sure the Brewers will welcome you with open arms. Oh and get out of the house every once in awhile.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 7:52 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 276

Most fans go to their MLB ballpark to see HRs. Twins fans go to watch DPs.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 8:16 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 277

I've seen it all!!

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM by TK Highlight this comment 278

A Jim Thome triple? Ya'll will still find something to bitch about.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 8:30 PM by Matt23 Highlight this comment 279

Only complaint here for me was the thought of spending upwards of $100/ticket to see Liriano struggle to get an out in the first and give up 4.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 8:34 PM by TK Highlight this comment 280

Most obvious statement ever:

Twins need to play a heck of a lot better during this homestand than they did on the last road trip.

And a Thome triple. Wow! And to top it, he then scored on an infield single. What's next? A stolen base? ;-)

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 8:43 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 281

Ballpark Authority has a new photo update. Click my name to check them out.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 9:38 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 282

Zumaya's injury looks nasty. Hate to see guys getting injured playing the game we all love.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 283

nice work. a homerun to a guy hitting .190 and who changed his number in the middle of the season because he was hitting so badly. just par for the course for this bunch.

the twins deserve everything they get and any and all hate thrown their way after another pathetic performance in all aspects of tonight's game (defensively and offensively). likely going to be 1-6 in their last 7 games. a bunch of pretenders. can already predict how this season will go. we win the division by 2 games in the last week of the sesaon and get our asses handed to us in the ALDS against a team from the al east. yawn. no thanks. i have already seen that movie a hundred times.

nope....not a rube jimmy boy.....just someone who realizes what this twins team really is. a bunch of pretenders and some AAA call ups.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 284

I am glad I dont have season tickets to watch a bunch of overpaid underachievers. The Twins should refund the public this team is a fleecing of America. I find myself watching this team less and less and enjoying my summer instead of wasting my time watching this collection of bums! This team deserves each other. This team has one average starter and a bunch of #4 and #5 starters. Unless they pick up at least two starting pitchers they can kiss this season goodbye and Mauer has to be the most overpiad athlete in professional sports.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:40 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 285

Still a long way to go in this season. The DP's and runners left stranded IS becoming ridiculous, but over a long season, things will even out. I think alot of Twins fans are spoiled, having reached the playoffs as often as they have the last decade. Even if this team lost 100, I'd watch or listen to most of their games. That's just me though...

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 10:48 PM by ole Highlight this comment 286

Well for all those folks who say..."its a long season" or "the Twins are in first place"...We are now heading into July, meaning the season is nearly half over. The Twins are no longer in first place. It's the same inconsistent team we saw in April.

If it's not their pitching letting them down, it's their lack of clutch hitting. They just can't seem to get clicking on all cylinders. Whether its Baker/Blackburn/Slowey/Liriano struggling or the bullpen giving up leads (Crain/Mijares/Guerrier) or whether its Kubel/Cuddyer/Mauer hitting into double-plays, this team is just too inconsistent all-around.

They don't have the starting pitching consistency to go on a much-needed winning streak such as 8 games or 10 of 12. Also, how many times have they won the first two games of a three game series to only lose the third game when they have a chance to sweep?

It's just frustrating and this team seems to lack that killer instinct and aggressive demeanor. Are there any vocal/emotional leaders on this team like a Torii Hunter, AJ Pierzynski or Johan Santana? After the pathetic 3-6 road trip, all Morneau said was "we seemed to lack some energy." You never see anyone on the team get into the face of another player.

They had a nice series in Philadelphia winning 2 of 3 than turn around and get swept in Milwaukee in 3 games. They sweep Detroit in 3 games than split a pathetic 4 game series with Baltimore. They sweep Texas in 3 games than turn around and lose 3 of 4 in Seattle. It's been this same inconsistency all year long and I must agree with Bert that it all starts with pitching.

It's amazing how well a team can play when it gets some solid starting pitching. Acquiring Cliff Lee (and signing him to an extension) would be a start in the right direction. Hardy returning healthy to play everyday SS would also be another positive step.

Posted on June 28, 2010 at 11:17 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 287

Beta, nice to see that you already came back and posted once after you said you were done with the team. Way to stick to it!!

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 12:56 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 288

Man Cisssssssco puts us behind the 8 ball right away last night. Then 2 DP's in the first 4 innings! FCOL! The starting pitching with the exception of our new ace Pavano has been Carl Gerbschmidt like terrrrrrrrrrrrible the last 2 weeks! We don't get Lee and stop hitting into DP's we could be 5-6 out by the all star break!!! Dogs pretty tasty last night for a buck anyways! I see the iron man JJ may be back by the end of the week? On a positive note nice to see big Jim leg out the triple and get the dinger latter! Got a nice country club bounce off the corner of the scoreboard on that triple!

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 08:38 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 289

Intersting article from Detroit Free press today!

Tigers concerned Cliff Lee might land in Minnesota

BY JOHN LOWE
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

MINNEAPOLIS -- Four walks and 76 strikeouts. Plus the American League's best ERA.

That is left-hander Cliff Lee's worksheet this season with the Seattle Mariners.

Those numbers loom as a concern for the Tigers, because by the time the trading deadline passes a month from now, Lee could be part of the Twins' rotation.

The Twins for weeks have looked like a logical destination for Lee, 31. He's eminently tradeable because he's on a last-place team and can be a free agent after this season.

When the Twins soared in the season's opening weeks, the logic was that Lee would give them an ace who could win in the postseason. Now logic has given way to urgency -- it looks like the Twins might not have enough starting pitching to win the AL Central.

The trade deadline is July 31, and Seattle might want to keep Lee until then to create the best bidding frenzy possible. But the Twins might want to persuade Seattle to trade Lee earlier. The sooner the Twins get Lee, the sooner they guarantee he won't get traded elsewhere, and the sooner he starts pitching for them.

When pending free agents like Lee get traded, the receiving team usually doesn't have to give up an everyday veteran player. So the Tigers and White Sox can't really hope the Twins will have to weaken their lineup to get Lee.

Whenever Lee gets traded -- it seems inevitable -- he'll be pitching to reach this year's World Series and to maximize his off-season open-market value. He already seems even better than in his Cy Young season with Cleveland two years ago, or his three-month stop with the Phillies last season. Besides that incredible 19-1 ratio of strikeouts to walks, he has allowed three homers in 86 2/3 innings.

Ordoñez out: Magglio Ordoñez was scratched Monday night after batting practice because of soreness in his left side. The same problem caused him to miss a week this month. There was no immediate word on whether Ordoñez would play tonight.

Contact JOHN LOWE: 313-223-4053 or jlowe@freepress.com. Read more in his Tigers blog at freep.com/tigersblog.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 08:52 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 290

So my friend and I ran up to go to the bathroom last night and heard a bunch of cheering right after we got into line. We hear the radio feed in the bathroom and hear Thome has hit a triple. First since 2004 and I think they said only the 25th of his career. Man, I felt like Jax early the season who always seemed to be in the bathroom when Cuddyer hit a homer.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 09:02 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 291

Fabe, I'm thinking Jax needs to spend alot of time in the crapper again! When was the last time Cuddy went deep anyways? 3 weeks ago?

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 09:04 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 292

Switch Cuddyer and Young in the lineup about a month ago and Delmon would have near 70 rbi's right now.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 12:45 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 293

Or swap Young and Kubel last night and Twins probably win. I would like to hear Gardenhire's explanation for batting his hottest hitter 8th in the order last night.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 1:20 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 294

Gardy thinks there will be as many runners to bring home in the 8 spot as higher up in the order. May have a point with all the freaking double plays we have hit into this year. On pace to hit into 188 double plays. The record is 174 set by the Bosox in 1990!

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 2:23 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 295

Zumaya out for the season with a broken elbow. Dang, that must be painful...

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 2:40 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 296

Zumaya went down like a sack of rocks - it was painful just to watch. I wish him well.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 297

Delmon has had a lot of opportunities as well. I think he only has 15 fewer AB's with RISP, but still. When one guy is doing so horrific in a situation and the other guy is doing great in that same situation, you have to do something. The better hitters should hit lower where there are more men on base, and right now, Delmon is clearly a better hitter. I like having the lineup stretched out too, but technically it can still be stretched out if Cuddy is moved and then starts hitting. Right now he feels like an auto-out in the middle of the lineup.

If the lineup stays as is, Cuddyer should always get more opportunities since he has Span to Morneau in front of him. They'll get on base at a pretty good rate. Switch it up and we should easily be better with the offense, unless Delmon starts to slump. Even if you do put Kubel in there instead, he does a lot better than Cuddyer in rbi situations too, as badjuggler said.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 298

And apparently a broken elbow hurts worse than a torn UCL. None of our guys showed that much pain when they tore their tendon. Unless Zumaya is just weaker. Still, feel bad for the guy...that has got to hurt. The look on his face said it all.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 299

I suppose the pain factor depends on the injury - they are not created equal.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 3:12 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 300

If you check of the Ballpark Authorities June 2010 photo update, there is proof from the Minnie and Paul picture that there is a glare coming off of them from the ballpark lights. Who really knows how much this does affect the batter being up so high, but there definitely is a glare.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 4:01 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 301

What can on expect from a fireworks display at TF? I have been to postgame fireworks displays at other MLB games and Saints games, and they have been impressive. I sure hope one is not disappointed. I mean, the flares that shoot upwards during the National Anthem, HR, and Wins, are pathetic compared to lets say ChiSox...

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 4:40 PM by TK Highlight this comment 302

It all depends on what the team plans to provide in the way of a show. Maybe they will go full-tilt. Or, maybe (as usual) they will make a whole bunch of noise and then take the cheap route in fulfilling theit spin.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 4:50 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 303

Zumaya might be done. Although only 25, those flamethrowers often have short careers (Nolan Ryan certainly being the exception). More are like Rob Dibble when I was in Cincinnati. Unhittable the year they won the World Series and out of baseball a few years later with arm problems.

Here is a mindblowing stat on Dibble from Wikipedia:
As a member of the Cincinnati Reds, the reliever recorded his 500th career strikeout in fewer innings—368—than any other pitcher in modern baseball history. Nolan Ryan, Bob Feller, Sandy Koufax and Lee Smith all needed more than 500 innings to strike out 500 batters.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 304

Got box 1 of 2 today for the "guaranteed giveaway" and like some have already mentioned...its rather disappointing so far.

1 water bottle
1 cowboy hat
1 DQ cap
1 Denard Span kids jersey

Not that those four items are bad, but I more than expect to get a Minnie and Paul bobblehead AND a mini Target Field replica in box 2 of 2 come September to even make the "guaranteed giveaway" worth the $50 I paid last December.

If I don't get the bobblehead and mini Target Field than it will be a very big disappointment.

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 8:58 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 305

all i can say is WOW, i will check back in a few months...

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 10:28 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 306

If memory serves, the DQ cap was usually included - but more of a throw-in to round out the package than a "real" item. The main event, of course, was all four bobbleheads closely followed by both "bronze" statue offerings.

The "jersey" is not even an adult item and don't even get me started on the water bottle. These are "--- some of the most coveted game-day giveaways ---"?????????

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 11:45 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 307

I think most people knew that TF was going to have a lot less in terms of giveaways. They don't need to do them yet. I look at the list and there is only one thing I want, the mini-stadium. I'm glad I just bought tickets to that game instead of throwing away $50.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 06:55 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 308

You think the Twins will shoot the fireworks off from the middle of the field. Hard to imagine they would fire them from the back of the scoreboard. I will be there Friday night!

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 09:12 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 309

Any light rail incentives out there from either the Twins or MTC? (family pricing, all-day passes, etc) They want us all to go public transportation, but round-trip pricing for the 4 of us would be $14. I can drive in and park close for $4 or 5...

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 09:13 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 310

According to the KSTP Link (on name) the fireworks will be fired from the top of the B ramp.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 09:32 AM by Schda Highlight this comment 311

"I think most people knew that TF was going to have a lot less in terms of giveaways."

Perhaps, but was the drastic drop in value anticipated or expected? The package is marketed, and purchase is required, BEFORE promos are announced. In years past the announcement of the GG would indicate that bobbleheads, for instance, were likely to be included, and the package value has always been commensurate with it's price. Until now. This year's announcement of the program, in addition to the "coveted" items line stated " --- will include --- our most popular giveaway items --- such as caps, bronze statues (note that statues is plural and there are zero on the promos list for this year) --- ". And so far we get a youth "jersey" and an incredibly cheap water bottle (is there any other kind of water bottle?)???? I think those who purchased the package had a reasonable expectation that they would not be lied to and cheated - in much the same manner as those ST holders who were told that "there's not a bad seat in the house" had a reasonable expectation that they would be able to see home plate from their seat.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 09:44 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 312

I'm now 4-1 at TF this year after last night. The only loss I wasn't wearing my Blyleven jersey, so obviously I will be wearing that for every game from here on out. I tried parking at Rapid Park last night and it is a steal! Paid $10, walked 1 1/2 blocks, was out in less then three minutes after the game. I couldn't believe after the game only seeing that lot 1/4 full and it's practically right next to TF.

This was also my first game in the home run porch terrace. First row of section 230. I must say I love this neighborhood the best of all the places I've sat so far. You feel close to the field, you're near the Captain's Deck if you want a well drink. Great SRO areas by the batter's eye seats. Concessions and bathrooms very close and not as crowded. I'd definitely focus on getting seats in that area again. I could even turn and see the scoreboard relatively well from the first row.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 10:11 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 313

I wonder what they will do with fans in the Grandstand section during the fireworks. I know at other ballparks they've moved fans down the field. I'm sitting out there on Friday and it would be cool to have them move us down to the field to watch the fireworks.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 10:52 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 314

Sunday July 4th is a Bobblehead giveaway. With 10,000 to be given away what time will people begin to lineup at the gates? How early would you have to arrive in order to get a bobblehead.

I have tickets for Sunday and have never arrived early in the past to collect any of the giveaways. Just curious as to how early I would have to get there for this one. I don't think my wife would be willing to wait more than an hour which would probably leave us empty handed.

Your thoughts?

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 11:06 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 315

Another stupid noon weekday "getaway game" today when the Twins are not going anywhere. I simply do not understand why they schedule like this! Smaller TV audience even if they do sell out. And why the hell would they want to do their division arch-rival any favors? Make the Tigers play a late game and travel late! Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 11:14 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 316

i am neither here nor there on the giveaways/$50 ST promotion. But really? Bitchin about all this is ridiculous. value is a relative term. To you the stuff youre getting may not be worth squat, but to the Twins it is worth something because they have to pay for all that stuff to be made (wholesale price or not). Not to mention they don't have to give this stuff away and they most certainly don't have to include any one or two specific items. We start to say things like "I/we expect this" or "assume that" and instantly set ourselves up for those expectations to not be met. Then when they aren't met we bitch and say we are lied to. Really? Were you? There is a reason they don't specifically say what will be included down to the last item and likely there is some fine print or other text somewhere being overlooked stating that. And really how much of an expectation can you have when the announcement sent says bronze statues (plural) and there aren't any on the promotions schedules. That should be a red flag right there. Get a grip, you paid $50 bucks and you are getting your moneys worth of what you either consider to be trophy items or sh*t, whichever comes first.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 317

Buff, I would think they will not let anybody on the field! You will have to maybe turn your neck to see them from center and right field. As far as the bobbleheads go. I'm sure there will be people camping out! Only 25% will get one! One would think if you not in line at least 2 hours before the game you will get shutout perhaps!

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 11:37 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 318

Morneau just hit the longest HR in the short history of Target Field at 441 feet....

Regarding bobbleheads...in recent years at the Metrodome, you could walk up as the gates opened and get one (unless you were lined up at the Cheap Seats gates A and C)

This year its going to be different due to the fact there are only 5 gates (34, 29, 14, 6 and 3) compared to 8 at the Metrodome.

Also, I wonder if the bobbleheads will be evenly distributed at each gate or if they will have most bobbleheads at Gates 34 and 29 since most of the fans enter through those two gates.

Also, there will not be as many "cheap seats" tickets available, so those large groups waiting in line at Gates A and C will not have that same opportunity at Target Field this year.

Just to be safe, I am going to line up a couple hours early, just like you had to do in 2000-2004 when the bobbleheads were most popular.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 2:03 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 319

Jared ---

Maybe you missed the part about the GG package needing to be ordered BEFORE the promos are announced. I submit that people who have participated in the past are entitled to make at least a basic assumption (reasonable expectation) about what a package will consist of in the future. My guess is that, were the contents of the package known (to potential customers) at the ordering deadline, they would have sold far fewer. It's a rip-off, plain and simple.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 2:05 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 320

And --- the moment the Twins announce that all proceeds from the "Guaranteed Giveaway" program are being donated to wherever is the same moment I will cease to feel burned. As it is, the program has become little more than another pocket liner for the Twins. These are SPONSORED items!

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 321



This is where I am right now. I was standing about 10 feet from where Morneau's homer landed. Quite a scuffle...

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 2:31 PM by Rick 322

Ben-
the giveaway's that other teams have been giving for years have mostly been not so great, just like the Twins this year. Fans had it very good when it came to giveaways at the Dome. I remember in ballpark ratings where they included giveaways and the Dome always seemed to be top five in that category (obviously near the bottom in most other categories).

For people who paid attention to other ballparks or asked, the significant drop off in value was expected. I heard many people ask during last season how the giveaways will be. The answer from Twins people was always "way fewer bobbleheads, if any, and less of what fans had come to know at the Dome." To me, it was implied that before anyone even asked. They don't need to give anything away and the place will be packed.

The Twins are like almost any other team now in terms of giveaways, instead of significantly better. No need to give good stuff away when people will come no matter what.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 2:56 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 323

I skimmed that part, but before or after, they weren't/aren't specific about the details for a reason and you cannot make those assumptions/expectations and then say you got jipped. They never guaranteed you anything.

Far as I see it, there is still another package yet to arrive, so what are you complaining for now anyway. Wait and see, then complain if you don't get them. Just pulling hairs over nothing right now.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 2:56 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 324

Actually, I should say - they never guaranteed you any specific items. And why would they, they cannot guarantee the availability of any one item and could just use the fine print or detailed text that no one reads to say "while supplies last" or something like that to absolve them of any obligations.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:01 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 325

AJ ---

Your info about the giveaways is well taken - and well known. I am, however, referring to the package that folks paid $50 for.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:02 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 326

I assumed the package you paid $50 for was the same giveaways that they gave away at the ballpark, you were just more "guaranteed" to get them rather than waiting in a line. With the items you mentioned, I believe all of those are given away at some point this season. If there are no bobbleheads, except the minnie-paul one, than you aren't going to get a Mauer bobblehead or something because no one is.

I guess I'm not understanding. I had the opportunity to buy it too and didn't because I knew there would be no bobbleheads and no bronze statues and nothing good given away. I was surprised about the TF stadium so I bought tickets to that game at the beginning of the season.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:07 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 327

Let's take a poll --- how many would rather have their money back - or see it donated regardless of what round two adds up to? My point is that there is a significant decrease in value received over years past so far and the likelihood that round two will make up for that is very slim. The Twins do not "need" to be as good to their fans as as in the past and they are taking advantage of that - rather blatantly some would no doubt say.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:12 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 328

AJ ---

How could you have known there would be no bobbleheads or statues at the time the package was offered when the team, itself, did not know what would be included? People bought the package based on faith, or past experience, that it would contain acceptable (at least) value. That's where those people have been "had."

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 329

Hey, Mike (or anyone else, for that matter):
Re: getting a bobblehead

My brother-in-law told me that on one of the previous year's promo nights at the Dome, he and his wife once walked up to their gate as it was opening, got their bobbleheads, and brought them back to the hotel (the Holiday Inn nearby on Washington). Then, enjoyed the plaza (such as it was back then...) before strolling into the game. Anybody know if they do something like this at TF? Would they mark your ticket somehow, or what? (and, come to think of it, I guess that system wouldn't work so well for the team in this era of multiply-printable tickets...)

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:26 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 330

As far as bobbleheads are concerned, it was pretty obvious that the Twins were phasing out the bobbleheads over recent years.

They only had two last year and those were Metrodome Heroes bobbleheads. But to just assume there would be no bobbleheads given away in 2010, well that, is just an assumption because nothing was announced yet in December when these packages had to be purchased.

Interest in bobbleheads has dwindled in recent years as you could easily walk up and still get bobbleheads after the gates had opened.

They are simply running out of players to promote. They already have two Mauer bobbleheads, Morneau, Nathan, Cuddyer, Young and Gardenhire. Who would they have this year? Baker? Slowey? Liriano? Guerrier? Crain? Span? Punto? Those are not the most attractive options...They could have had a Greg Gagne bobblehead for his Twins HOF induction in September, just like they did for Aguilera and Gaetti in recent years.

I bought the GG package because I personally figured there would be some good promotions this year relating to both the Inaugural Season of Target Field and the 50th Season celebration.

I fully expected a decrease in promotions, because there is no need for promotions when ticket demand is at an all-time high and you are expecting sellouts on a nightly basis.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 331

You could definitely leave after you got your bobblehead at the dome. They used to open it up at like 3 or 4 for 7 PM games. There wasn't much to do in the Dome, especially since it was such a bad stadium for batting practice.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 3:55 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 332

Ben-
I asked, as did a lot of other people. I asked a ton of different people who worked for the Twins and they all said the same thing. No bobbleheads, no bronze statues. And that was at least at this same time last year. The Twins have a person who is the head of promotions. I asked that person and I asked other employees. A lot of fans knew that it wasn't going to happen. I also kept asking when I got repeated emails and messages about the $50 package. Everyone said it would not be anything like it was.

If someone knew that there would be fewer promotions and promotions that aren't very good, then you don't spend the money. It was a pretty easy assumption to make because they don't need the giveaways to fill the stadium. They just try to get $50 out of people who don't want to wait in line.

Also to add, it looks like the things you mentioned were first half giveaways. You have yet to receive anything that hasn't been given away to the public yet. The bobblehead and stadium could very well be in package #2 because no one has them yet.

I just don't get people complaining that they got a bunch of "crap" when they knew that most of it was going to be. I think you have a right to be a little annoyed if you don't get the bobblehead OR the stadium (maybe both), but otherwise you haven't even received package #2 yet. And those items haven't been given away to the ticket holders either, unlike the stuff you already have.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 4:22 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 333

I think the concern from those that purchased the the GG program would not be as upset if the giveaways currently received were the best of the best giveaways. From what I am hearing, the giveaways received are not the top giveaway items so far this year (e.g. Bat Day, etc.)

As far as the July 4 giveaway, I will be getting to the ballpark around 9:30am to wait in line...

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 4:35 PM by TK Highlight this comment 334

TK-
And that would just be a difference of opinion. I realize that some people think some of the stuff on there is good (maybe better than what they received). I think the only good thing on there is the TF stadium. The rest is kid stuff or junk. They've been selling that bobblehead or something very similar for years now. No way would I ever pay extra for that stuff.

I think Ben wanted the bobblehead and stadium guaranteed and we don't know if that'll happen, but he still has one package to go. I just think it's too early to complain about it. If it's going to be in any package, it will be package #2 which seems to be the "final 40 games of the season giveaways."

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 4:46 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 335

AJ, I completely agree, but some are under the assumption that the Twins review this site (which they may very well), and this is there way of reaching their intended audience and create a frenzy amongst others to raise similar concerns...

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 4:50 PM by TK Highlight this comment 336

"The bobblehead and stadium could very well be in package #2 because no one has them yet."

Would that be the bobblehead that all your "ton of people" said there would not be this year? Is it possible that you, as well, are unable to get accurate info from Twins employees?

Package #2 will almost contain more value than package #1. The issue, for me and many others, is that even the two combined would still be a rip in comparison to past GGs.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:26 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 337

"certainly" contain ---

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 338

Ben-
The bobblehead wasn't counted as a "bobblehead" because it wasn't like the ones they gave away in the past. It wasn't a player bobblehead and is nowhere near as nice as the ones they have given away before. It was a cheaper looking version that they have been selling for years..or not selling.

I'm still trying to figure out what you were expecting Ben? Four bobbleheads, two bronze statues? What were you expecting? You agreed that the Twins weren't going to give away great stuff like they used to, but you spent the money anyway. Now you're complaining that you got junk. Either don't spend the money or don't complain about the junk. The Twins don't need giveaways to fill the place, so they aren't going to put out good things meaning there won't be good things in the $50 package.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:40 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 339

And, why would bronze statues be mentioned in the sales pitches if there was no chance of them being a promo this year?

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:41 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 340

I never saw the sales pitches so I can't say I know what you're referring to.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:43 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 341

Did anyone else hear that siren during the game? That definitely unsettled me for a little while.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:46 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 342

I knew, or was pretty sure, that the days of four bobbleheads were over. As I have been trying to get across, I expected a bit more value in the first package. The lure, for instance, would have kept me quiet. Lure, bobblehead, mini TF, 2 DQs and the mini walker seems reasonable for the package in toto. Still not like the days of old but not a flagrant rip-off.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 343

AJ ---

Send me you e-mail and I will send you a copy.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 5:49 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 344

Hammer - I was listening to the game on the radio and definitely heard the sirens. Couldn't make out the spoken word part, but Danny and Gordo were sure to mention it. Caused me a bit of worry until they made it clear that no one appeared to be panicking or rushing towards the gates.

Good to take 2 of 3 from the Tigers. Twins need to stay hot for a while!

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 6:08 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 345

I'll have the full story on the fire alarm later tonight.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 6:16 PM by Rick 346

I don't know if anyone has posted anything about this yet but this article is about the county's plan to expand that transportation hub at TF. It sounds great but my only questions are where is it going to go and is it going to affect the aesthetics of the ballpark?

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 8:45 PM by JCE Highlight this comment 347

Game was sweet today. When Target Field was being built, I dreamed about an 80 degree sunny day - PERFECT! I'm now 3-0!! That alarm was unsettling. I'll be interested in what Rick has to post about it.

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 10:00 PM by ole Highlight this comment 348

*Siren wail* -"Attention"- *Siren wail*
Sure was a weird moment, stadium got quiet and after 5 seconds people started cheering. P.A. Announcer at the end of the inning said something like: "Attention fans, the sounding fire alarm is an isolated situation and the Minneapolis Fire Department is currently working on the situation"

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 10:15 PM by BB Highlight this comment 349

The Twins are #1 (including all four major sports) in the 2010 ESPN ultimate rankings for stadium experience! Another great Target Field honor!

Packers are #2 with Lambeau Field and the Minnesota Wild are #3 with the Xcel Energy Center....very nice honor to have 2 of the top 3 stadium experiences right here in Minnesota!

On the other end of the spectrum, we also have two of the worst stadium experiences with the Timberwolves (112) and Vikings (118)...click my name for your 2010 ultimate rankings!

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 11:40 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 350

Mike, not to beat a dead horse, but the Twins are 10th in Fan Promotions, Giveaways, Contests...

Posted on June 30, 2010 at 11:49 PM by TK Highlight this comment 351

I also walked around the plaza today, Rick, with my two girls (10 and 6) It's a great way to alleviate some of the baseball fever I have. My girls got in the big copper glove statue and my oldest marveled at how warm it was. Then she ran over to another statue...

10 year old: This one is really cold, Dad.
Me: Yeah, dear, that's a statue of Carl Pohlad.

It was too funny not to pass on. Thanks for the great work on the site.

Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:46 PM by Dan D Highlight this comment 352

My girls got in the big copper glove statue and my oldest marveled at how warm it was. Then she ran over to another statue..

Posted on July 24, 2012 at 06:07 AM by inder Highlight this comment 353

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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."

– Bernie Williams

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Here's one big problem with a retractable roof: completely terrible seating in left. These scant few seats would have been tucked under the track. No sunshine, no open concourse, it was a terribly kludgy idea. With some hindsight, it's very clear that adding a retractable roof on this small site would have required compromises which would have just been too extensive to tolerate. Without it, the design was free to grow into something much more memorable.



Welding workers



Look beyond the gigantic hand (a hounds tooth jacket? really?) and you'll get a glimpse of the main grandstand configuration. The two (or is it three?) levels of suites are visible, as is the design of the so-called "split upper deck," and the extensive use of limestone for decorative accents. Let's hope these little touches don't get cut as costs increase, because they make a nice tie-in from the outside of the park to the inside. Of most interest to me is the way that the very best seats are physically separated from all the rest of the seats by that limestone. There will be virtually no way to sneak into these seats. On one level, that's a somewhat sad design feature...



Viewed from up Sixth Street (that's Target Center on the left), you can get an idea of how the connection is currently planned. As it stands now, the plaza will extend to that support pillar, from which a stairway will empty to the sidewalk below. If they get their wish, additional support structures will provide a walkway along Target Center which will gradually (without stairs) meet the sidewalk somewhere up near First Avenue.






Looking through it, you can see the outfield pavilion (upper deck at least).






First, an overview. The base of the plaza here will meet the base of Sixth Street at Second Avenue.



The view from section 210



The finished product. Note that, at the very bottom of this image, you can just barely see the tops of the windows which look into the Champion's Club. (Home Plate Box)












Note the gigantic -- and very permanent -- M's on the gates at the base of these stairs.



This guy at the Puckett atrium chef stand caught me taking the picture and said I should stop back later because he was "just getting started." I still don't know what he meant.



Site of the proposed new Atlanta Braves ballpark. Look familiar?



Here's a first view of the surprisingly spacious walkway on Fifth between the ballpark and the LRT platform.






Wow! Looking good.



Looking northeast from the ballpark site (Source: LP)



Note that, even though the scoreboard appears strategically placed, it's the outfield stands which block any potential view of the field from this roof.












A few weeks ago there were sand volleyball courts here. When the park opens, this will be surface parking. Maybe one day there will be something more interesting built on top of that parking...



Uh oh. Schizophrenia.



Section 117, Row WC (applies to all the back rows under the Legends Club seating)



The wooden louvers are in on Fifth Street






I see an opportunity in this view for an Abbey Road-style promotional photo! Mauer, Morneau, Nathan and Cuddyer walking toward the ballpark. The only question: which one takes off his cleats?












Ballpark elevation viewed from Seventh Street. (Click to enlarge.)



The art panels on the Fifth Street facade as viewed from the top of the Minnekahda building.






Gate 29 "Carew" is at right.



Flowers and Hall-of-Fame plaques. Very nice.



Click to enlarge.



Fencing is going up all along the plaza



The HERC side, viewed from Fifth Street.



Dugout Box and Champion's Club sections are sequestered by separate moats






"Hey look! There we are!"



Handshakes all around (there's gonna be a lot of that over the next few weeks)












This would be easy to miss, but I found it on a cart located directly behind the Batter's Eye seating on the upper concourse in center field.





Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

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(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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