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(Cue the Gray Months)

October 14, 2009 12:39 AM

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Final Metrodome baseball sight

As if on cue, the Minnesota sky opened up after the final game, unleashing the one enemy that no baseball team can ever defeat: winter. It feels like another unbeatable enemy left town about the same time on a plane bound for the next round of the playoffs. Yikes.

Who is really surprised that the best team in baseball beat the 11th best team? Ten times in a row is a little much. Nine out of eleven playoff games in this decade is stretching the bounds of credibility. Forget the Senators, we're in Generals territory here.

But you gotta have heart, and I refuse to get too down on the '09 Twins. For most of the season I felt like I didn't really know who they were. It was hard to get caught up in the Third Base Maelstrom, or the Outfield Lazy Susan, or the Black Hole at the Bottom of the Order. After a while you start to get numb to the Whack-a-Punto shtick (which base will he pop up playing next?). It felt, for most of 2009, like this team wasn't going anywhere.

Then, with little warning, they actually did go somewhere. They made it necessary to add another flag pole to that collection above the left field stands out at Target Field. They won a division!

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Oh, a flag pole will be so much more...dignified

It's best not to scrutinize too closely which division they won. But there are only six, and they won one of them. That's really staggering.

Once again, Gardy led a ragtag band into battle and managed to channel Henry V all the way to their Agincourt at the Metrodome last Tuesday night. The Tigers tried to run out the clock, forgetting that there is no clock.

One can't help but wonder just how many tiebreakers a team has to play in before they'll recognize the need to win every possible game throughout the year. I can think of many, many nights this summer when victory seemed in the bag for the Twins until some reliever allowed the opposition to chew a hole right through that bag.

I think it's possible that the 2009 Twins were actually better than their record shows. They had specific, fatal weaknesses. They had bad luck. They had genuine blunders. They had good, old-fashioned epic collapses (though this is one race the Tigers would ultimately win).

They sometimes looked like they were so excited to be playing the game that they couldn't remember how to play the game. At other times, they looked like they'd rather be somewhere -- anywhere -- else.

They also had Joe Mauer, whose campaign was one for the ages. There's no doubt that history will remember Joe's incredible season in song and story and countless biographical documentaries. The appreciation of it will deepen and broaden until we all talk about it and then silently shake our heads. We'll probably even tell our grandchildren, "I saw him play, Timmy."

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That's still a little hard to imagine right now, so soon after it's done. Even knowing what was happening, as we all did, it was hard to deeply appreciate. It becomes routine to see Joe come up and get a hit. But you also see him strike out, and ground into double-plays. History won't remember those -- it shouldn't.

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Unfortunately, history will remember the Metrodome. In fact, as I feared, that old craphole did get the last laugh on us all by distracting Nicky, costing us a run, and possibly the game. In case you haven't heard the story, he heard the crowd roar, assumed that the ball had gotten through the infield, and thought he was clear for home. Technically, it's not the Dome's fault, though the roar would not have been so convincing in any other ballpark.

OK, I can say it one final time: Damn you, Metrodome!

It was my good fortune to see the game from the Golden Seat where Kirby's game 6 homer landed in 1991. As my friend pointed out, I got to be the last to see a major league baseball game from that hallowed spot. Special thanks to my host on that one.

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I hope the Twins grab that thing and find a place of honor for it over at TF.

Speaking of grabbing things:

The Twins have said that they won't be moving the plate or pitching rubber to Target Field, but I hope they find a place of honor for them in a museum or exhibit somewhere. You may hate the house, but there are still marks on the wall where you measured your kids' heights each year.

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The season was perfectly bookended by Mick Sterling on the plaza

Wave-ing Bye-bye

Until now I've resisted trying to sum up the Metrodome era in any shorthand way. It's too complex, too full of contradictions.

But on Sunday night, one legacy stood out.

It was the top of the 8th inning, with the score still 2-1. Playoff baseball, played beautifully. Both teams were still in it, and the managers were just starting to get into the zen dance of substitutions. It was exactly the point where my scorecard starts to become a really beautiful mess.

It was an exciting moment, an anything-can-happen-here-on-any-pitch type of moment. And what is the crowd doing?

The f**cking wave.

Somewhere, some drunken idiot (if it was you, consider yourself a drunken idiot) stood up in front of some damn section of sheep (if you were in it, consider yourself a sheep) and started shouting and waving his (it's always a guy) arms one way or the other. Then he shouted, "1! 2! 3!"

The crowd, who only moments before had been watching exciting October baseball, decided it was more interesting to encourage the fried loser and started jumping out of their seats and waving their arms, only to hoot at the next section for not picking it up.

But, as always happens, eventually the wasted moron gets the next section over to look up from the game, see everybody jumping and waving their idiotic arms, and decide it's more fun to join in the jumping and waving than watch two of the best professional baseball teams in the world battle to the finish of a very close elimination game.

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Dome, what have you taken from us?

I don't hate the wave. Really I don't. My kid (age 4) loves it. We do it together.

But save it for the blowouts, the meaningless games, the who-cares-who's-pitching-or-even-playing games after your team has been eliminated.

What has the Dome done to us in 28 years? Apparently it has made us into a bunch of jumpers and wavers even when there is real baseball being played right beneath our noses. It may very well have turned us from the reasonably knowledgeable fans of the Met Stadium days into morons chanting "Yankees suck" and "Ster-oids" over and over. (I heard exactly one clever heckle: "Hey Johnny! Nice episode of Cribs.")

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Hubert's remains the only sports bar within site of the Dome after 28 years of its existence. It's a cautionary tale.

This may sound curmudgeonly, but baseball is a beautiful game at any level. It's most beautiful when played at the highest level -- especially when it's just the final eight teams left standing. And, as the TwinsGeek says in his tag line, "the more you know about it, the more beautiful it is."

When you watch closely, you are rewarded. You will likely see the other team do something that you wish your own had done. You will see your team make subtle moves that are surprisingly effective. You will see things that you've never seen before, even if you're watching your 500th game. You may even find yourself applauding a monster, game-changing homer hit by an overpaid, steroid-tainted, tabloid poster boy on the other team.

Has the Metrodome sucked that appreciation of the game out of the fan base? It has at least watered it down. (I'll admit that I also fear that as the tickets get more expensive, it will continue to disappear from the stands at games.)

Wave-Proof?

I'm not sure if Target Field is wave-proof. Seems like no stadium really is anymore. Like pee in a pool, the wave is pretty hard to get rid of. And I suppose there will always be idiotic, uninformed (or downright classless) heckling and chanting. (Why would anybody in Minnesota boo A. J. Pierzynski? He didn't want to get traded. And trading him led to the promotion of Mauer and acquisition of Nathan and Liriano. And he's a pretty charismatic gamer with a World Series ring. Why would any baseball fan boo him? Just because he used to be a Twin but isn't anymore? Is that what it has come to?)

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This is NOT Twins Territory anymore

But the Metrodome, by virtue of being nothing like a baseball place at all, has made things worse. It has actively encouraged fans to come to a game but not watch it. And it has encouraged the purists to stay away. It has invited in those who would not come for a game unless the conditions are always perfect.

So the most beautiful thing about this moment? That's all about to change dramatically. From what I've seen, Target Field has the potential to breathe all of that life back into the fan base -- primarily because it is so focused on the game itself. Distractions, in the design at least, are kept to a bare minimum. You will want to sit on the edge of your seat and watch baseball.

Beyond that, let's say that the Twins can sign a few key free agents and lock up Mauer for life. You put those things together with a new ballpark and people will be clamoring to care about the team even when it's falling down on the road somewhere.

It's hard to overestimate the effect of the facility on the team. It's really at the core of a club's identity and, as we've learned, it affects finances and the level of play even decades after the deals are struck.

So we're saying goodbye to a place that was never meant for baseball, a place that fought with the team, stole balls and bases out of the air, and turned over too much cash to a rival sport. (I think it stole some of my hearing as well.)

And we're saying hello to a facility that, for the first time in franchise history, is worthy of the team which will play there. Let's hope it inspires a whole new generation of Joe Mauers.

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Epilogue '09

Last Tuesday night, we let Noah stay up much later than his normal bed time. Actually, I was the only parent home at the time, and I made the executive decision that watching the game was more important for everybody (i.e. me) than reading stories and going to bed on schedule.

But, as the innings dragged on, he got more and more tired. He was a trooper and kept asking, "What's the score now?" after each and every pitch. (It's funny because he doesn't yet get how the scoring lingo works. When I say, "The Twins are leading 2 to 1," he says, "Who has 2?" It's actually a very reasonable question.)

Finally, with Vic home from her meetings, it was time for him to get to bed. This was about 10 minutes before Gomez came across with the winning run.

Since I knew they were still reading books when the game ended, I popped my head into the room, as excited as a little kid, whispering as loudly as I could, "Twins win! Twins win! Twins win!"

Vic and Noah looked up from the book and she said, "What happened?"

It's impossible to recreate my exact quote, but it went something like this: "Gomez got a hit and then got to second by Cuddyer did something and then walk Delmon got on but Gomez fast and then hit run scored dive Twins win!"

We got Noah back to the TV and he sat in my lap to watch the celebration.

Forget the Metrodome. When I think of 2009, I will think of those exhilarating final weeks when all the pieces came together and this team did something that no one expected from them just a few weeks before.

By the end of the season, it was clear that they knew who they were, and had finally found a way around all of those holes in the roster (some of which had been deftly filled at mid-season). They deserved the division win and they got it by playing their tails off.

They would go on to give the Yankees a tougher run for their money than anyone expected. That they lost is not what matters. What matters is that they were there, and they played hard.

Most of all, though, I will remember our whispered shouts (our 1-year-old was, after all, asleep down the hall) as Vic and Noah and I celebrated that amazing tie-breaking win and division championship.

Thanks, boys. It was a great year, and we'll see you at Target Field!

Comments


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A.J.'s a jerk. That's more than enough reason for any fan to boo him right there.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 03:20 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 1

It would be pointless to move the plate and pitching rubber and place it in the playing field at Target Field. These items get replaced all the time, so why put it in the playing field only to have them removed it in a couple of years. Home plate and the pitching rubber get so worn down over the games with scratches and chip marks, etc. they get replaced all the time. Also, I say leave the Golden Seat in the Dome until they decide to demolish the place, then remove the seat and then display it somewhere in Target Field. It might as well stay in the place where he hit the home run until the place is doomed for.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 07:01 AM by MB Highlight this comment 2

Good read. I freaking HATE the Wave. It's annoying as all hell, and I was embarrassed for all Twins fans to see that it was being done during a meaningful part of the game. It makes us ALL look like rubes. If I had my way, anyone caught attempting to incite the crowd into starting the wave at the new ballpark, would be drug out onto the Target Plaza in right field and summarily shot right there. That would put an end to that nonsense.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 07:34 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 3

The Wave is heinous, because it pays no attention to game situations. Why don't they ever do it during commercials?

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 07:39 AM by David Brauer Highlight this comment 4

Looks like the new flagpole is going in!

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 07:41 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 5

At game 162 a woman(!) one section over was trying to start the wave. I was temporarily able to stave it off with a loud, "sit DOWN - there's a f$#%ing BASEBALL GAME going on down there!"

Sadly, this only delayed it for a couple of innings. It's baseball, not a damn Kicks game.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 07:51 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 6

Can they put signs up next to the section numbers in the concourses with a picture of a wave that has a big red line through it? Then put a disclaimer underneath it telling people they will be bitch slapped and banned from the ballpark if the attempt to start one?

It's a start...

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 08:36 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 7

one good thing the Saints have done is to repeatedly (at least the last few times I have gone to a Saints game) is to instill into the spectators that Midway Stadium is a "no wave zone". The Twins and their PA announcers and other personnel should do the same. I might be wrong, but I think there were/are signs at Midway saying it is a "no wave zone".

As for A.J. I think the booing needs to subside. He said some things after he was traded which upset Twins fans, but that is quite a few years ago now. He is a pretty good catcher and I don't even remember what he said that got everyone upset, so it must not have been a big deal. When Span was hit by the pitch in the back of the head a few weeks ago, he reacted right away to see if Span was okay. That showed that, in the end, A.J. is a baseball player who loves the game for the game, and because of this love for the game, is concerned for his fellow player, even if the player is on the opposing team. Just my thoughts on A.J.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 08:58 AM by Dan Highlight this comment 8

That there is a nice bronze glove!!

Cam 1 9:00am

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 09:08 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 9

Speaking of booing....I never quite understood why fans boo when an opposing pitcher throws to first to keep the runner on. Isn't that part of what a pitcher is SUPPOSED to do, keep the runner tight to the bag? Has it just become hardwired into fans that they are just supposed to boo that throw? Do fans even really know WHY they are booing it?

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 09:40 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 10

Fred, that always makes me laugh.
"How DARE you try to throw out our runner in our stadium!"

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM by Orlando Joe Highlight this comment 11

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the Twins have already changed the "Target Field/Metrodome" link at the top of the page to just "Target Field." And I'm proud to say that while all my friends were doing the wave next to me at the final game, I was able to keep focused on the game.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM by Oaks Highlight this comment 12

I added an epilogue to this post which I was too tired to write last night, but is essential to the recap of the season.

And, yes, the old Met flag pole was installed this morning. I'll have a couple of pictures to show of it standing in its new home, though the install happened earlier than anticipated and Ben and I did not get there in time to witness it.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM by Rick 13

the twins met the same fate as the red sox and cardinals in getting swept in the first round. all three teams blew leads in the ninth (and colorado did too) and only the twins had an excuse but have not used it.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 14

Rick,

Your epilogue is great, same thing happened in my house. We sent the kids to bed in the top of the 12th inning and they were mad cause the night before we sent them to bed at halftime of the Vikes-Packers game. Anyway, then when the Twins score the winning run they here my wife and I yelling at the t.v. so I sneak up there to tell them they won and they said "I figured they won cause I heard you guys yelling". My wife says mavbe we should have let them stay up.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 15

You can see some of the seats with the wood backs in right center field along with the progress of the seats and bleachers in right field on webcam 2...looks great to me

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 16

I got an up close look at the wood-backed seats this morning (even got to sit in one) and they are beautiful. Very cool touch.

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Posted on October 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM by Rick 17

Nice job, as always, Rick. Couldn't agree more: booing AJ is senseless, the wave is beyond senseless, and April won't come soon enough.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 18

The Wave sucks and it is annoying... but come on i think you guys are getting a little nuts about the thing you would like to do to the "waviers" its like the story about the guy and his dad being tossed out of TCF for standing too much! man minnesotans are so frickin prissy... agian i hate the waive but im just happy there are people in the seats cuz i have went to alot of twins games in the past where there would have never been enough butts in the seats to start or maintain one... all im saying if it raises your blood pressure so much you can just watch it for free at home... just my opinion.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 19

i think you guys are getting a little nuts about the thing you would like to do to the "waviers"

I don't think the guy above was serious about executing people for doing the wave. At least I hope not...

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 20

Mazaratirick, I can tell you from experience how annoying and troublesome when somebody in front of you insists on standing for the length of an entire sporting event. I took my dad who's had knee-replacement surgery twice to a Badgers-Gophers games a few years back and the people in front of us insisted on standing the entire game. It ruined the experience for him because he couldn't stand all game and missed much of the action. I paid for my seat and have no problem with people getting up at key parts of games, but if you want to stand all game, get a standing room only ticket.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 21

You know, I just try to be sensitive to my surroundings. If I'm standing, I'm also paying attention to whether people are standing behind me. If they are, all is good. If they're not, then it's time to sit down.

There's a rhythm to these things, and most of the time we'll all agree on when to stand or sit. The rest of the time it's about paying attention and being respectful. Maybe that's "Minnesotan", but it seems reasonable to this native-born Minnesotan.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM by Rick 22

The reason why I boo AJ is that any time he gets on base he always tries to step on morneau he trash talks mauer and soo on and soo on........... just looking at his blonde hair make me wanna laugh!!

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM by dickey Highlight this comment 23

Mazaratirick- I wasn't serious about executing people who do the Wave, and I also seriously don't advocate throwing anyone out who does the wave...I AM all for ridiculing and harrassing people who do the wave, however. We need to shame these people into acting like real sports fans....I don't think you see Red Sox, Cubs, or Yankee fans doing the wave in their ballparks, and if they occasionally do, you probably don't see them doing it during key moments of the game. IMO, it's incredible hokey, and it has nothing to do with being prissy, either.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 24

The waxing poetic about the Twins' season reeks of pure homerism. The Twins backed into the playoffs and got obliterated by a much better team. Case closed.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 1:50 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 25

you suck, dude. get your undies out of a bunch and go back to kicking puppies

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 2:27 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 26

yea winning 17 of 20 or whatever it was is definitely backing in. erasing a 3 game lead with 4 games to play was a fluke. there's a place for being cynical but not regarding the team's september.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 2:27 PM by tim Highlight this comment 27

The Twins backed into the playoffs...
17 out of 21, Right on Truth! You are always on the money, or on something else.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 2:43 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 28

If the Tigers even play .500 we aren't in the playoffs. And we went 17 out of 21 against a White Sox team that packed it in and a bad Royals team. So don't sit there and act like we swept the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels and Phillies and grabbed the division crown with authority. How we tried oh-so-hard and, aw shucks, things didn't go our way in the playoffs. If this wasn't Minnesota, Gardy's arse would be on the chopping block after our past few playoff series performances. But no, we not only accept mediocrity in this town, we PRAISE it. It's sad, wrong and demoralizing.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 29

Backing into the playoffs isn't true, but were the Twins truly a playoff caliber team? Playing in the weak Central Division means "easy" games vs. Cleveland, Kansas City, and Chicago. If we were truly a great team, shouldn't we have wiped the floor with them this year and had a better record? Look at Tampa, a team with a similar record to ours, but played the Yankees and Red Sox about 38 times. They had tougher competition than the Twins and their record was almost as good. I love the Twins, but I think they underachieve and get way too much credit for their performance.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 2:55 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 30

Hey Truth, your post reeks of more "waxing poetic" than anything else I've read on here - ever. *hurl* And we're Twins FANS Truth, not broadcasters or journalists, in case you forgot; there really should be no surprise if everything we say is all homerism. And you obviously didn't watch any September baseball if you think the Twins backed in to the playoffs. You're just a plain and simple moron, aren't you. Can you say anything that isn't incorrect?

And Dickey and Buffalo, as far as A.J.'s concerned, he was a jerk when he was on our team too, but everyone liked him because he was our jerk. Is that reason enough to boo him now, because he's no longer our jerk? I think not. He's just a hardcore gamer, loves baseball and plays it all out, for whatever team he happens to be playing for. You should respect him even more for that. I personally clap for him every time he comes to bat in the dome, and you should too.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 2:57 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 31

Oh, and regarding that White Sox team that packed it in, perhaps you forgot about the 2 of 3 they won on the final weekend of the year to give us a chance to play 163? A team that packs it in doesn't send Peavy, Garcia, and Danks to the mound to do everything they can to try to win three games. And they almost won the third one too.

Do you live in a cave, Truth? No, seriously. Do you actually see the light of day, or read a newspaper, watch tv? Any of those things? Talk to real people?

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 32

Truth Hurts loves to get a rise out of us. Either that or he is simply the biggest, ignorant jackass on this site.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 3:19 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 33

"Do you live in a cave, Truth? No, seriously. Do you actually see the light of day, or read a newspaper, watch tv? Any of those things? Talk to real people?"

No, but I do know a Grade A Jackhole when I read one.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 3:20 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 34

Since when were John F. and tlj dating??

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 3:22 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 35

The Truth = d bag

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 3:49 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 36

Uh TTH, you shortened thelouniousjoe's moniker to tlj. He's TheloniousJoe, as in Thelonious Monk. If you want, I'll draw a picture and use small words.

I also don't think winning a division (granted, a weak division) is celebrating mediocrity, as you put it. If that's mediocrity, I'll take it any year.

Mike Scioscia also had a LOT of postseason failure the last few years and I don't beleive they were calling for his head, so to say that if this wasn't Minnesota Gardy would be on the chopping block is naive.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 3:52 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 37

Umm, let's get back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...

So how much did they remove from the old Met Pole. I have heard various heights but nothing confirmed.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 3:57 PM by MarkW Highlight this comment 38

I've got a series of articles coming up about the removal, rehab and installation of the old Met flag pole. The original size was around 110 feet (100 above ground). The Legion guys cut off about 20 feet when they moved it, leaving it at about 90 feet, 10 of which were underground.

The Twins essentially chopped that in half. Because it's installed on top of the plaza, there was no way to have an underground part. It's bolted to the base plate and stands 45 feet tall. In the coming days it will be painted black to match the original color.

And, for the record, I did compare the 2009 Twins to the Washington Generals up there, noting that they were, by the standings, only the 11th best team in baseball.

That said, what Gardy and staff did to piece together the division win is hardly mediocrity. Mediocre teams (which this Twins squad was) don't win division titles unless the division is weak (check), the push is monumental (check), the opposition chokes (check), the late competition is wan (check, kind of), and the management is well above mediocrity (check) and figures out some way to pull the pieces together (check).

I'm not sure what the case against Gardy's post-season abilities might be (other than the result, which isn't very useful since the sampling size is so small). Did he make big mistakes? Maybe you can argue that he didn't have the team ready mentally or emotionally. That's a topic worthy of some hot stove analysis.

But we weren't celebrating mediocrity last Tuesday night (or today). We were celebrating the confluence of a bunch of unlikely occurrences which produced some exciting games and an equally unlikely division title.

So, when I think of 2009, am I wrong to dwell on the exciting month and let the other five disappointing ones fade away quietly? That's a mistake if I'm the GM, manager, or owner. It's a mistake if I'm doing serious analysis.

But I'm a fan/parent talking to a 4-year old, so it's OK. When he's older, we'll talk about things like talent versus skill, hard work versus enthusiasm, and persistence versus good fortune. We'll get to it, I promise.

So, if celebrating good fortune is homerism, well, D'oh.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM by Rick 39

Mike Scioscia won a World Series.

And Rick is right. Good fortune. That means luck. And I don't disagree with Rick's opinion 99 percent of the time. It's these other guys who want to brand this season a success. It simply wasn't. And it's seasons like this that allow the future seasons to end like this one.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 40

Rick ---

I've got a pic of you in the wood seat area I'll be sending over.

Great bit on the wave - my thoughts exactly.

They were just tightening up the baseplate bolts on the pole and disengaging the crane when Matt and I got there. You were apparently right about 7:30. Matt may well have hurredly looked into it when I inquired about attending and did the best he could. In the grand scheme of things it probably was not a major event for him.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:21 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 41

i understand and like i said i hate the waive too but say i came back from getting a beer and you were telling my girlfreind or say my 12 year old daughter to "sit the f**** down" we would have major problems and i doubt either of us would be watching the rest of that game...

i was at game 163 and i only stood up when the people in front of me stand, so like 90% of that game... i have been told to shut up, sit down and even had the twins police take me out and ruff me up.. all over fans that want to treat a sporting event like it is thier living room, they want it just the way thye like it.. cozy, quiet... comfy...you could say im a heackaler but i never swear or say insults just give it to them thats all...i have not been told to shut up this year in my new seats cuz everybody i sit around is the same ever game im at and they are a more loose bunch (sec 100 row 1 seat 27-28) and i sit right next to the twins police chair and they just laugh.. but some people dont like anything that they cant control and you can not control what 30k fans will all do around you so you might just want to stay home and watch it for free in your lazy boy

and one of the playoff games last week i saw the waive im not sure if it was at NYS or not but i nearly shit a brick, i thought we were the only morons doing that crap lol

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 42

Metrodome is finally off the Twins site! No more Target Field/Metrodome. Target Field now stands alone!

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 43

sorry * wave

i dont care about the rest of the mistakes in my typing ..

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 44

I don't want to gat another pissing contest going but in MY opinion TTH makes a valid point directly above. The Twins have managed to condition us to gladly accept and appreciate whatever we get. The fact that we don't demand more has worked to their advantage all along. We spend our money (often BIG bucks) and say "that's nice". Although it is not a bad thing for us Midwestern rubes, the way this team operates would never be allowed in a "true" baseball market by "true" baseball fans. As for me --- I want to see them get better at evaluating talent, seeking it out, kicking ass, storming into the playoffs and making the smug twits on either coast pay attention. What falls into our collective laps isn't cutting it.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 45

agreed.. just did not want to give TTH the credit!

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:38 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 46

We are all Twins fans here I think we should forget the wave forget the standing and just be happy we won the division with a good old small market team

GO TWINS and hello Target Field

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:48 PM by #1twins-fan-in-S.D Highlight this comment 47

what b.w. mcevers said......

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:55 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 48

Contueing from my last post :I think the Twins no matter how easy you think their division is and the Yankees really deserved to win , think, we dont have billions of dollars! and buy all of our players, we depend on a great farm system.

Go TWINS!

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM by #1twins-fan-in-S.D Highlight this comment 49

but say i came back from getting a beer and you were telling my girlfreind or say my 12 year old daughter to "sit the f**** down" we would have major problems and i doubt either of us would be watching the rest of that game...

Chill. She was a grown, annoying woman and she needed to sit the f#$k down.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 50

" --- we depend on a great farm system."

Another myth from the Cal days. The truth is that "we" construct a team, from various sources, that is barely good enough to maintain revenue streams and build the occasional new stadium. I do not, and never will (until things change at least), believe that the team is doing the best it can with the resources it has. Try to remember that we traded away a first rate shortstop and then went looking for a SS on the scrap heap! I could cite other examples until my fingers get sore but you guys know what they are. Or should.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 51

I can't take any credit for common sense.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:15 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 52

oh i'm so glad this forum got attention in the local media...thank you kfan for sending us your rubes.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 53

And don't get me wrong --- I love the Twins and have been an avid fan since day one. I just don't apologize for them.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 54

"Although it is not a bad thing for us Midwestern rubes, the way this team operates would never be allowed in a "true" baseball market by "true" baseball fans."

...like Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati, or Pittsburgh (all of which certainly have proven to be "true" baseball markets in the past).

Or maybe only Boston, New York, and Los Angeles are allow to be considered true markets with true fans anymore.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:23 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 55

I would agree that Minneapolis/St. Paul is NOT a very good baseball market. People here would much rather play some grab ass or do the wave then pay attention at the game. This is a major pet peeve of mine. You are at the ballgame. This isn't little league anymore. Pay attention, the more you watch the more you enjoy baseball because of the limitless intricacies that can/do happen. I guess the beauty of the game is that on any particular day you might see something you've never seen before. If you've ever been to a great baseball market you can feel the energy and anticipation on every single pitch in a big game. I just get the feeling no matter how excited everyone is about Target Field (and I certainly am) that it will be more of a social event next season. This is a Vikings town (regardless of how many chokes they've had). In fact I would probably rate the 4 major sports teams in town as follows:

1. Vikings
2. Twins
3. Wild
4. Wolves

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM by Max Highlight this comment 56

The wave started in the upper right field corner. Some huge group of middle school kids started it. If I had a brick I would have thrown it at them. When Guerrier went 1-2 on the first hitter, I stood up as 90% of the fans were watching the wave and started yelling at the top of my lungs for a strike out... And those 90% looked at me like I was crazy.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM by sarend01 Highlight this comment 57

Point. Set. Match.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 58

pretty sure its: Game. Set. Match....

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 7:37 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 59

FYI, there are many players on this years Yankee roster that are from their Farm System...too lazy to look up who...but I know it is over 8...

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 8:02 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 60

Max, you say "this is a Vikings town" as though you live in Chicago and you're really talking about the Bears.
...fact is, as much as I HATE to admit it, this is an NFL country. Except for the few markets where baseball actually matches football in popularity (NY, Boston, or in L.A.'s case even exceeds...I wonder why...), almost every town in this country is "an ___insert_football_team_here___ town." Even Chicago. You got two baseball teams, the Cubs and Sox, both with incredibly long and rich histories, or as the Eastern Sports Promotion Network likes to say, "storied franchise[s]" *gag*, in a very big market, huge actually, and yet everyone down here still walks around all year saying, "this is a Bears town," as if baseball is just a pleasant diversion between the superbowl and September. When are people going to wake up and realize that baseball is a far superior game?

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 8:10 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 61

Alright, here is the list of Yankees that are "homegrown:"
PITCHERS:
1. Joba Chamberlin
2. Phil Coke
3. Phil Hughes
4. Andy Pettite (Started in NY, to Houston, then back to NY)
5. Mariano Rivera
6. David Robertson
POSITION PLAYERS:
1. Francisco Cervelli
2. Jorge Posada
3. Robinson Cano
4. Derick Jeter
5. Melky Cabera
6. Brett Gardner

So 12 of the players of the 25 Man active roster for the Yankees were drafted by the Yankees. They do NOT buy all their players. They just retain there players.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 62

....their players.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 8:30 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 63

Ok, if Bud won't create a salary cap, MLB should be split into 3 divisions(or leagues) based on total salary spent. Each league would have one regular season champion and the 2nd place team would be the wildcard. 6 total playoff teams. This way the big boys get to duke it out, but the "small market" teams still have equal opportunity to play in post season.

Champions League (2nd col: 2009 team salary followed by avg/player salary)
1. New York Yankees $201,449,289 $7,748,050
2. New York Mets $135,773,988 $4,849,071
3. Chicago Cubs $135,050,000 $5,402,000
4. Boston Red Sox $122,696,000 $4,089,867
5. Detroit Tigers $115,085,145 $4,110,184
6. Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000 $4,061,036
7. Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,048 $4,185,335
8. Houston Astros $102,996,415 $3,814,682
9. Los Angeles Dodgers $100,458,101 $4,018,324
10. Seattle Mariners $98,904,167 $3,532,292

Premier League
11. Atlanta Braves $96,726,167 $3,335,385
12. Chicago White Sox $96,068,500 $3,694,942
13. St. Louis Cardinals $88,528,411 $3,278,830
14. San Francisco Giants $82,161,450 $3,043,017
15. Cleveland Indians $81,625,567 $3,023,169
16. Toronto Blue Jays $80,993,657 $2,892,631
17. Milwaukee Brewers $79,857,502 $3,194,300
18. Colorado Rockies $75,201,000 $2,785,222
19. Arizona Diamondbacks $73,571,667 $2,724,877
20. Cincinnati Reds $70,968,500 $2,957,021

Little League
21. Kansas City Royals $70,908,333 $2,727,244
22. Texas Rangers $68,646,023 $2,367,104
23. Baltimore Orioles $67,101,667 $2,580,833
24. Minnesota Twins $65,299,267 $2,251,699
25. Tampa Bay Rays $63,313,035 $2,183,208
26. Oakland Athletics $62,310,000 $2,225,357
27. Nationals $59,328,000 $2,045,793
28. Pirates $48,743,000 $1,874,731
29. San Diego Padres $42,796,700 $1,528,454
30. Florida Marlins $36,814,000 $1,314,786

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 9:02 PM by common man Highlight this comment 64

Very nice chart. Thank you for providing it.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 9:18 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 65

Yeah, but who wants to watch an unbalanced schedule if your team is in the LIttle League? Yuck.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 66

With big raises due for Mauer, Cuddyer, Nathan and Morneau next season, the Twins will end up being in the middle of the pack. Not sure if Span is arbitration eligible this year or next year, but he will get some good coin as well.

FS North showed the new bronze glove and flagpole installation at Target Field today during the Qwest Wild Live pre-game show. April cannot come soon enough!

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 9:44 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 67

speaking of the Wild, it's gonna be a loooooong season

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 9:53 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 68

The Gold Seat marks the spot where Kirby's homerun landed, but it's not the actual seat that was in the Metrodome that night. The actual seat was later removed so the special gold one could be put in its place. So that begs the question; Where is the real seat now?

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 10:05 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 69

Jorge- I smell an "Indiana Jones V" on the horizon...

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 70

Hey, Ben, take a look at comment #67. Apparently the Twins own cameras got there in time for the installation. Kind of makes you wonder just how it is that we didn't...

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 10:22 PM by Rick 71

Rick ---

I think we had to wait for Matt and either Matt had some sour info on the install time or just flat was not going to go over there until the time we did due to his own schedule for the day. He did seem surprised that the install was already in progress but, as I said, the whole show probably wasn't a big deal to him. Whoever told you 7:30 would seem to be more in tune.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 11:22 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 72

Frankly, I feel a little bit duped.

Posted on October 14, 2009 at 11:35 PM by Rick 73

Deenels, couldn't agree more.
Add the Wolves in there - and Target Field and the 2010 season never looked so good, and can't come soon enough.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 08:52 AM by luke Highlight this comment 74

Rick,

I have loved your commentary for a long time now, although I have been a little surprised about your complete and utter lack of any positive feelings towards the dome.

I know that the dome is not, and never was, a place for baseball. I don't think that anybody on this site is arguing for that. However, baseball was played there, and in fact great baseball was played there. Time after time Twins fans were witness to fantastic games, none of which more impressive or exciting than 163 just a couple of days ago.

Like all of us, I've been anxiously anticipating opening day 2010. When the new stadium was first approved it felt like a whole lifetime before a pitch would actually be thrown at Target Field. However now that that time is fast approaching, and the lights have officially gone out at the big inflatable for the Twins, I can't help but feel a little bit of sorrow over leaving the place.

The dome isn't nice. And it isn't fun walking into an indoor environment when it is sunny and 80 outside in the middle of summer. But when the house was packed and the crowd was screaming, the games were fun. And maybe the crowd did one too many waves, but still people had fun. Maybe I'm on my own with this opinion, but when I'm having fun then I find it hard to truly regret a period of my life. The dome was never exactly what we wanted, but we made the best of it.

I can't wait to take the light rail to TF next season, and I'm not going to wish I was getting off at the Metrodome stop for one second. But, as my train passes by, I'll smile thinking about the fun times that were had there.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 09:07 AM by Billy Heywood Highlight this comment 75

Billy,

Some days I feel more charitable toward the Dome than others. You are right that we will always have great memories of what happened at the Dome. And we all had a lot of fun there.

That is definitely worth keeping in mind.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 09:17 AM by Rick 76

Bill, I feel Rick has written some things that reflected what you just said...

Regardless, I feel the same way as you. When I was explaining to my friends at school that I'm slightly sad to see the dome go, I used this analogy. The Metrodome is like that old crappy car that you used to have. I had a set of unique problems and only you knew really how to handle them. Then the time comes and you get a new car with all the bells and whistles, but nothing will ever really replace that connection with the old beater car you used to have.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 09:23 AM by MattW Highlight this comment 77

Matt, a better analogy would be that you got laid in said car twice, and will never forget it.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 09:25 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 78

I'm catching up on some of last night's comments...

theloniousjoe correctly points out that "this is an NFL country." It raises the question of what that says about us.

Yesterday I read a fascinating article about the NFL and brain injuries. It's terrifying, and the author (Malcolm Gladwell) makes a thematic link with dog fighting that is positively chilling. (Our own beloved Wally Hilgenberg makes an appearance about halfway through the article -- or at least his brain does.)

The primary finding in the research is that even a single hit is sufficient to cause irreversible brain damage. Getting hit over and over throughout a football career leads directly to dementia and early death in many players. This is the type of research that has the potential to completely change the sport, perhaps into something unrecognizable.

I have no point other than to say that one reason I love baseball is that brain injuries are blessedly rare. (Think Corey Koskie.)

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 09:43 AM by Rick 79

Up in comment 45, B.W. hits a nail right on the head:

"The Twins have managed to condition us to gladly accept and appreciate whatever we get. The fact that we don't demand more has worked to their advantage all along."

In the media, you hear Twins representatives say all the time that "anything can happen in the playoffs." In fact, Terry Ryan used to have this mantra that you build your team to win the regular season so that you can have a shot in the playoffs.

But the reality is that the "anything" we've now seen multiple times is an exceedingly poor, embarrassing showing in the payoffs. (Yes, I'm embarrassed for the team that they couldn't get even one win over the Yankees.) But it's not just the Twins doing this type of conditioning, it's all of MLB.

The fault in the logic is exactly what we saw this year. You can do a bunch of things wrong, put together a mediocre squad, and still somehow stumble (albeit happily) into playoff land.

But the playoffs are merciless, and that's where you find out that really none of the AL Central teams had any business going up against the Coastal Juggernauts. No matter who won it, they were going to get embarrassed.

We've seen this quite a lot lately. How lousy have the first round of the playoffs been this year? There were so many sweeps (three of four) that we haven't had a game to watch in three days. The playoffs might as well be over. While you can argue small sampling size, I think there's a real case to be made that the whole structure is out of whack.

The conditioning that Ben refers to has happened in large measure because of the post-1994 alignment of teams and the unbalanced schedule. Prior to that, even in the divisional era, you could not back into the playoffs by virtue of a weak division -- at least not to the degree that you can now.

Now, MLB can and does actively market this idea that "anything can happen" to even a mediocre team who gets into the playoffs (the '07 Cardinals, '03 Marlins, and '01 Diamondbacks are probably the poster boys for this idea).

Effectively, this means that the playoffs are no longer about determining the best team, but merely about rewarding the team with the latest hot streak and the most stamina (throw in the healthiest for good measure). In turn, this lets GMs take the Terry Ryan approach, concentrate on the divisional opponents, and just cross their fingers that the stars align for the playoffs.

Well, screw that. It's just another way in which the money has diluted the sport.

Bud Selig's legacy will be as the guy who killed baseball.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM by Rick 80

DreDogg nails it (so to speak).

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM by Rick 81

Jorge points out that the gold seat is just a marker, and that's true. In fact, I don't think the homer hit any seat. It just happened to be caught by the guy sitting in that seat, so that's where they marked it.

If the original blue seat is out there somewhere, that would make a great display piece. But the gold seat is now sort of the physical symbol of that home run. Either way, leaving it for the football fans seems kind of like a waste.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM by Rick 82

Some Target Field season ticket questions I'd be curious if anyone knows the answer to.

If I still wanted to buy a pair of Home Plate Box seats, does anyone know if they are still available, and if so, where?

Do we know what the process will be for seating new tickets in future years as some drop off? Is it realistic to expect that the Twins will contact every STH that has worse seats than an open pair and ask them if they want to move closer? In practice, how did this really work at the dome? I've heard STH say they gradually got better seats over the years, but when I went silent partner on a pair mid 2008, we were able to get very close seats immediately (as I assume they had decided since time seniority was going to rank at TF, they weren't overly interested in location for just one season).

Thanks

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 83

Rick, I wouldn't be surprised if Cooperstown came calling for the gold seat. I think The Powers That Be in the HOF recognize the impact (good and bad) that the Dome had on baseball. Now that Major League Baseball is finished in that stadium, I could see them asking for arguably the most important physical (and emotional) baseball "artifact" from the Dome.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 84

JC Twins - I suggest calling the Season Ticket Holder VIP Hotline: 612-370-4575 for any questions. They have been a ton of help with Season Ticket questions.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 85

The Strib has a very nice close-up of the celebration sign (click name).

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM by Andy G Highlight this comment 86

Thanks trosy...I hate to bug them because I have no plan to do anything now, but am trying to think forward to next year or the year after as the first year hype wears down.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 87

And based on Andy's pic of the sign, that puppy is going to be shaking hands like crazy! (Unless Kubel continues his K streak through 2010)

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 88

Just the hands shake? That's...sort of weird.
Is the rest of the sign going to be lit up at least? Or will there be just two hands going up and down?
Sounds a little anti-climactic.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 89

JC Twins: I would just add my opinion that there likely are several home plate box seats available. Probably no or very few dugout box seats. I could be wrong, but the reason for my opinion is that I looked at the available inventory during seat selection process on what I believe was the final weekend before 40 and 20 game plans began to pick (they weren't allowed to pick HPB seats). At the end of that week there were many HPB seats open, mostly in the higher rows, and the sections furthest from home plate. The very next Monday there was no inventory available and that simply meant they could no longer be picked. Unless something was going on behind the scenes in the meantime, such as selling to insiders or corporations, or reserving more for visiting teams, dignitaries etc., I believe they are still there for those who begin the season ticket process for 2010 and are willing to buy a full season. Of course you need to have your deposit in now or soon. You mentioned a pair of tickets. If anyone is willing to take three tickets I think they can get some very good seats in several places of the ballpark. Unless something changed there were many patches of 3 tickets down low and infield area. Tell your sales rep you are interested in upgrading, and maybe occasionally bring it up again. I had good luck doing that. They are all helpful reps in my experience. Despite initial popularity I would not be surprised to see people dropping out in a couple years. Good luck.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM by robin Highlight this comment 90

I'd just like to take a moment to welcome Kevin Smith, Jerry Bell, and their crew to Rick's fantastic site. Thanks for reading and considering the many ideas discussed here to be implemented at Target Field.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM by Max Highlight this comment 91

The link below from the Strib is a close up of the home run sign and you can easily tell that the Twins will be shaking hands, through the use neon lights, after a home run.

http://www.startribune.com/photos/?c=y&img=three06target100509.jpg

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM by freealonzo Highlight this comment 92

I can see that - but I'm just curious whether the rest of the sign is going to do anything...or if the neon hands will be the only lit feature.
Seems to me as though the hands will be the only lit feature.

BTW - yesterday, driving west on 394 home from work, saw the lights above the scoreboard on (i think they've tested them before, but this was the first time i saw it) - it looked awesome.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 93

rick, did you know about the shaking hands, but just not tell us due to the twins' "hush-hush, aha moment" policy?

weren't you told that it was too expensive?

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 94

Luke, check out the Celebrate Good Times post below.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 3:13 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 95

The lights on the forearms and hands are sequenced to make it look like the hands are shaking. There is no mechanical animation. I don't think this info was made known until just recently.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 3:19 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 96

Sixty Minutes did a piece on brain injuries last Sunday. Wally's brain was featured. Brutal (sorry for the poor choice of words).

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 97

CANT WAIT FOR SPRING!

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 3:30 PM by TJ Highlight this comment 98

" --- money has diluted the sport."
"Bud Selig's legacy will be as the guy who killed baseball."

Bingo!!! There is a great piece somewhere (ESPN?) about how baseball is now (as far as economic models) in "harvesting" mode rather than "perpetuation" mode. They are pricing themselves out of business and grinning all the way to the bank.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 99

BW: That was the ESPN piece last week on the Legends Suite seats at Yankee Stadium. Very long but also a very thoughtful article.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM by Max Highlight this comment 100

Yes! Thank you. Please send to Rick or link here if you can.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 101

I linked to this on the Facebook page when it appeared:

What Greed Does to Loyalty

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM by Rick 102

"A sobering look at how big $$$ has corrupted baseball. The author used the Yankees as an example because they are the most egregious offenders. But he made it a point to say this applies to all of America's major sports and teams. Most saddening is the mounting evidence that fewer young people are forging a bond with and a love for baseball because they are priced out of seeing the game live."

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 103

Luke, I think it's obvious the whole celebratory sign will light up, not just the hands. But when a home run happens, the hands will shake, as has been said, by synchronizing the lights.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 4:53 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 104

BW - I do not disagree that the best seats are getting too expensive, and I do not disagree that baseball is operating under a broken and failing economic model. However this comment "Most saddening is the mounting evidence that fewer young people are forging a bond with and a love for baseball because they are priced out of seeing the game live." I find this hard to believe. Maybe they are really in love with the dollar dome dogs - but having attending most of the home games this year and about a dozen road games I am impressed and surprised with interest and following of the the young fans. (16 to 29) I don't recall that type of a following in years, and even generations past.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 7:33 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 105

At one point on our little tour yesterday Rick and I were told how many TV screens there will be in the new park - I think it was in the 600's. Is it not a sad commentary that so many screens are needed for people who supposedly came in to watch live baseball?

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 8:05 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 106

AJ - don't get me started. SO dirty. Didn't like him much when he was here and like him a lot less after watching him spike Justin a couple times at first. Dirty.

p.s. I might have warmed up to him a bit as he tended to Span after he got hit in the head last month. Then I saw his stupid bleached blonde hair in the dugout an inning later ugh. Is this a good look for a guy in his mid-30s? What a tool.

Jacquie.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 8:21 PM by jax Highlight this comment 107

Check out the webcams...TF is all lit up!

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 8:28 PM by Stern Highlight this comment 108

JCTwins - regarding your questions on Home Plate Box and future season ticket upgrades:

At the end of the relocation process, there were still some HPB seat locations left, however the only ones not well under the overhang were sets of 3, though many of the "good 3's" got taken late in the process. If TF is like other parks, once you get 3-4 rows under the overhang, some fly balls will be obstructed during flight because of the overhang. (Remember, HPB seats are available on a full-season basis only)

Assuming that the Twins haven't changed their plans in the last few months, seat upgrades were going to work as follows:
- any reserved seats not paid for 2010 would return to single game inventory. These seats will be available for the 2011 upgrade process. (If someone took 5 seats, but now wants to only take 4, they would lose all 5).
- upgrades for 2011 and beyond would be handled similar to the process in 2009 and prior years, based on availability and priority (which I presume is account longevity). There will be NO upgrades for 2010 unless an STH wanted to increase their number of tickets on their account (assuming any upgrades are available). The only way I can see this happening is if someone wanted to go from 2 tickets to 3 - there were a number of odd seat locations in HPB behind the plate (111 to 117) because of the wedged sections. (In late May, there were still 3's left in various sections from rows 12 to 19 and up. Probably fewer now, since the 2010 STH deposit holders have selected).

I had asked before if the Twins were reserving any HPB seats from the selection process and the answer was no - everything was open for the relocation process - nothing reserved for new 2010 STHs. (Note that the Twins did pull some HPB seats for MLB golden ticket holders and I presume some MLB/club use, so I suspect there will be some seats that might be available for some single games that aren't available as STH seats.

As for future upgrades, I suspect the process will actually go quite quickly for the next few years - most STHs will already be in "better" seats given the relocation process that just finished and there will be very little movement and I doubt there will be much inventory anyway (perhaps some long-time STH dropping extra pairs they bought for 2010, but not much else, especially until after the All Star Game)

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 109

Regarding the number of TVs - nope, not a sad commentary at all. I go to a game to watch baseball - it annoys the h*ll out of me if I go to the concession stand and can't see what's going on. At TF, I won't have to worry about that.

Don't forget that a significant number of the TVs will be under the overhangs so people in the higher rows in HPB and FB can see the information displayed on the main scoreboard that they would not otherwise be able to see.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 8:32 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 110

JCT -- I would also say that, as a pretty new 20 game ticket holder (as of 2008), that everyone gets assigned a STH rep and mine have been really good about answering my questions and working with me. If you want an upgrade in future years, these folks will work with you personally to figure out how best to meet your needs.

I think the number I heard was 17,000 full season tickets sold so far (that is -- 4 X 20 game packages = 1 full season ticket), so there is still plenty of inventory to be had.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 111

And here is my source...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sbd.preview&articleID=133948

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 112

Linc - doesn't matter how helpful your account rep is - they still have to follow the upgrade process. :) My upgrade needs don't mean squat if there's nothing available when it's my turn. :)

It's not like this year - people weren't really concerned about upgrading seat locations at the Dome - just getting extra seats in their desired locations (mostly Lower Club).

I thought the 17K FSE number was a bit higher, but the point is that there are plenty of tickets still available. But the original question was about Home Plate Box - there is very little left that isn't under the overhangs.

Those that do become available in future years will be coveted by the long time STH's that were disappointed and surprised by how far back their HPB options were, so I don't think many people with less than 8-10 years longevity are going to upgrade in 2 or 4 seat HPB locations for a while and certainly no new STH will get preference over an existing one.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 9:18 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 113

"I go to a game to watch baseball - it annoys the h*ll out of me if I go to the concession stand and can't see what's going on."

This statement begs the question: If you go to watch baseball what are you doing at the concession stand? Do you get up in the middle of a movie to go out and spend 15 minutes fetching food or drink?

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 9:21 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 114

Jax,

You've got some perfectly good reasons there for booing AJ. I doubt that most folks in the stands could come up with such a list.

I also could have mentioned Marty Cordova, who was gracious enough to come back for the Dome send-off, despite being treated horribly by the Metrodome fans when he was playing with the Orioles. (By the way, I think Knoblauch got what he had coming. But he was a pretty easy target.)

Linc,

Your article is behind a pay wall. Can you cut and paste the pertinent sections into a comment?

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM by Rick 115

B.W. - I generally don't go to the concession stands during the game for that very reason - the main reason for being there is to watch the game. I'm almost always in my seat from before first pitch to after the last one.

But if/when I leave my seat in between, I'm not happy that I can't see the game, especially if it takes longer than expected and the game has started back up after a 1/2 inning. At those points, the TV screens are welcome.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 9:51 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 116

Thanks all for your comments. Looks like the best scenario for us die-hards would be to see the team play awesome until 2014, then become the Cleveland Indians for a few years, let all the weak STH's die off the vine, and then scoop up some awesome seats when the team gets better. J/K of course, but it would be interesting to see what kind of ST's you could get at Progressive or Kaufmann right now.

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 10:20 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 117

man i really miss twins baseball, i just can't get into hockey yet for some reason! Can't wait till after the WS to see trades contracts etc, and then of course can't wait till spring! This will be a long winter

Posted on October 15, 2009 at 10:53 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 118

Soooj? because the wild cant score a goal and are rapidly out of the playoffs in october!

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 01:11 AM by Bw Highlight this comment 119

I have a feeling the following is going to happen:

The Wild will finish the season at a dismal 15-59-5-2
The Timberwolves will match the NBA's worst ever record, set by the 1972-73 Philly 76ers, and go 9-72.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 07:53 AM by luke Highlight this comment 120

Luke, I think the Wolves well turn some heads this year (no, not the other way!). The Wild may not fair so well.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 09:13 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 121

I believe that the first round of the NHL playoffs coincide perfectly with the Twins home game numbers two through eight next April. The Wild are my second passion, and even though we are talking playoffs - I will be at Target Field. I guess this is a good year for the Wild to fall short.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 10:06 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 122

Wonder why they chopped the old Met flagpole down so much...Seemed as if it would have remained in center field near the Celebration sign,it could have been left near original length and would have looked good with the classic sign...

Obviously too late now but I don't recall that ever being discussed.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM by MWJ Highlight this comment 123

The appropriate Twins officers were bugged plenty about their choice of locations, among other things. To me, center field is a no-brainer - what I had in mind all along was for the pole to exist as closely as possible to it's Met Stadium roots. As it is however, the pole would be too much of a "sore thumb" at it's original length in it's new location and could not be properly installed on what is actually a bridge deck. On the one hand it does sadden me a bit that this whole process resulted in half a pole (also without it's original truck, ball, and hoisting system), but on the other I am gratified that the pole essentially still stands at a Twins ballpark.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 10:27 AM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 124

Web Cam 1 shows some lights on at the top of the railing just below the crown. I wonder if those will be permanent.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 125

DeePee - Yes, these are permanent. These are the lights that light up the underside of the canopy.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 126

Thanks trosy29. :)

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 127

Anyone heard when they will be putting the 12th flag pole up in LF for this years division crown?

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 2:36 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 128

"Anyone heard when they will be putting the 12th flag pole up in LF for this years division crown?"

They could place it in Comerica Park, as a thanks to the Tigers for handing us the division title.

Joking aside, maybe they will start putting them above the trapezoid sign thingy in RF.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 4:04 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 129

Does anyone know if FS North has replayed the "Final Game Ceremony" from October 4? Or do they plan on replaying it? I emailed someone over at FS North but have not heard back.

I really hope they replay this sometime when the Wolves or Wild are not playing. They also usually do a season in review as well, which I hope they do this year.

I just miss Twins baseball like crazy and its only been FIVE days...At least I can cheer for Torii and the Angels for a few days.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 130

I don't know DeePee.
Conversely, I don't see the Wolves going 72-9...lol.
Maybe 9-72 was a little too embarassing to stick on the Wolves, but we've been close to that record in the past.

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM by luke Highlight this comment 131

It has been months since I posted but I've read every post and every comment. Thank you Rick for keeping me sane, and for providing me with my desktop background time and time again!

My reason for writing is the oft-targeted Timberwolves organization. I attended the preseason game on Wednesday against Chicago and walked away albeit without witnessing a win, but still impressed with the crisp tempo and complete lack of fear toward driving to the lane. Seriously this will be a fun team to watch as long as the top six or seven guys stay healthy. If nothing else, they have an all-star coaching lineup that probably could still ball with some of the worse teams in the league! Decent fallback plan!

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 8:13 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 132

I think the Wolves will win 30+ games this year but will still have a bad enough record to be in the lottery..give them 2 years and i think we will have a playoff bound team

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 8:23 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 133

Another blown call by an umpire in Yankee Stadium...Torii Hunter got robbed of an infield hit as Teixera's foot was clearly pulled off the base.

Damn Yankees

Posted on October 16, 2009 at 8:54 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 134

Speaking of wolves (note time), I'm not sure I'll watch them this year (more than last though), I think it's a team I can actually start to root for now that McHigh is gone. I've been more impressed with the gm/coach that I was when hired. They'll probably struggle quite a bit, but they are on teh right track and I can start rooting again. I don't necessarilyh call it bandwagon because I just couldn't stand Kevin McIdiot.

Mike is Cuzzi umping this series?

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 01:31 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 135

Oops goofed on hitting enter too early...

I just can't stand cuzzi (or even imagine him in the alcs, or even nlcs for that matter) I don't swear, but I made a sign for Game 3 of the ALDS that said:

Cuzzi
T| otal
B| ull
S| h*t

I never swear so I never actually brought it into the dome, but man I can't stand that cheat.

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 01:33 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 136

jfh -- that's fair. I was only trying to comment that one doesn't have to figure out the upgrade path on your own. You can find out in a very efficient way there are no seats available in sections you want to sit. :)

It will be interesting to see how much shifting among STH is attempted after the first season. Though the Twins have provided some tools, it is so hard to visualize the game experience until you are actually in the stadium. Where exactly is the overhang? How steep are the stairs? Do I really like sitting in the sun/shade? How fast are the beer vendors in my section? Things like that.

For those of you interested in all the various baseball numbers, including why we will continue to have an unbalanced schedule (see the Fox baseball ratings), here is a good site: http://bizofbaseball.com/

For attendance junkies: http://www.bizofbaseball.com/docs/MLBRegularSeasonAttendance_SUPERDETAIL.pdf

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 09:59 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 137

Camden - No Phil Cuzzi was not on the crew. It was Laz Diaz at first base who missed the Teixera-Hunter play. Tim McClelland was crew chief. Usually the Division Series umpires do not work the Championship series. However, Cuzzi may end up being on the World Series crew, we will have to wait and see.

Hopefully the Angels can tie it up at 1-1 tonight. I hate to see them go down 0-2.

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 11:20 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 138

Speaking of the wolves, Kevin Love will miss 6-10 weeks with a broken left hand........

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 11:23 AM by dickey Highlight this comment 139

Where are all those weather whiners now?!?! Today would be a perfect October afternoon for playoff baseball!

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM by common man Highlight this comment 140

it certainly would be common.

hey, i thought my eyes were playing tricks on me - but after three months, they finally finished seat installation in Section 12 down there above the 3rd base dugout.

Never thought I'd see the day.

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 141

Linc - I am really hoping there is more shifting by STHs after the first year,or more correctly, dropping of extra seats. I'm really hoping there are STHs that bought extra seats hoping to make a killing in 2010 who decide it's not worth the hassle to resell seats.

I still think it was bogus to let STHs double up from 2008 to 2009 and then double up again from 2009 to 2010.

The bizofbaseball is a great site.

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 142

I understand your concern about that, but I think anyone could buy as many seasons as they want from 2008 to 2009 (and why not?), and if they bought more than 6, it would be more than they needed if they wanted to double up in 2010, as 12 was the max allowed (not counting club or suites). And there are legitimate reasons to double up, e.g., more people wanting to "partner up" with you in prior years, especially once the new ballpark was approved. And like you say, people might decide the reselling is not as lucrative as they thought, and therefore not worth the hassle. I don't know a lot about that business, but I suspect some people will be surprised. Especially if a lot of people did max out for the purpose of profit, they will be competing with each other for a lot of games that are mediocre because of time, weather, opponent etc. I think some people will drop out, others will have regular buyers/partners etc. and be able to keep them for several years. You should have a chance of getting good individual game seats next year and then season tickets in following years. good luck to you.

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 2:50 PM by robin Highlight this comment 143

When will the plaza be open to the public? Anyone have the details?

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 144

Wow, it looks really cold in New York. It was really stupid of them not to have a retractable roof on that place. That certainly is not baseball weather.

/sarcasm

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM by Boof Highlight this comment 145

Does anyone know what kind of field heating system they have in NY? Similar to TF? Does anyone know if it warms up the air on the field at all or just the grass?

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 146

Does anyone know what kind of field heating system they have in NY? Similar to TF? Does anyone know if it warms up the air on the field at all or just the grass?

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 147

Does anyone know what kind of field heating system they have in NY? Similar to TF? Does anyone know if it warms up the air on the field at all or just the grass?

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 148

Sorry for the triple post.

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 149

The Ballpark Authority now has the October construction photos up on their website. Our new ballpark is really coming along and will soon be a reality. Can hardly wait. If anyone has not seen the new book "The Twins at the Met" by Bob Showers you should get a look at one -it is really cool. It really brings back the memories of the Met.

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 10:36 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 150

Here's that BPA link - great pictures!

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 151

LRT testing visible on the webcam throughout the day on Sat. And if you go the the 10:00PM - 10:30PM shots on webcam 1, you can see the police responding to this little clusterf%@# -

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 12:43 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 152

Man! The place looks absolutely phenomenal!!

I knew it was going to be great, but the finishing touches are making it better and better every time I see it. Great pics by the BPA.

I'm thinking we should start planning some sort of celebration event for all of us followers once it opens...(maybe in the Met Club!?!)

Seriously can't wait...

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 12:47 AM by Excited Highlight this comment 153

Those photo's are awesome!

I was wondering this during the playoffs, and it's one of those "you don't know til you get there things" I'm wondering how the canopy will effect the crowd noise? I think there will be some effect but obviously not as much as the dome. It will be interesting to see

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 01:58 AM by MattW Highlight this comment 154

That looks so beautiful and the way the wild are playing i can't wait till spring!

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 02:49 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 155

Intereting media bias - "too cold to play baseball" - commentators complaining about 43 degrees in New York last night. Interesting that those complaints were no where to be found when it was 28 degrees at NLDS game 3 in Colorado.

I really hope MLB figures out a way to shorten the regular season - it really is too cold, whether it's 28 or 43, no matter where the game is.

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 156

It's not brain surgery. No more off days during the playoffs. Maybe an occasional off day for travel. Make it more like the regular season, where you need four decent starting pitchers. The Twins playing every other day was retarded and only benefited the big Yankee arms. I would not mind more day/night doubleheaders either.

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 157

wow... it's almost done... i cannot believe it...

this may be the best park in mlb... all the little details are done right... i'm speechless

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 158

At 2:30pm today, there were three light rail trains at Target Field. One was actually at the station, and two more stacked along 5th Street.

Waiting for the Vikings game to let out?

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 159

Today wouldnt be too bad for a home playoff game.
Not all Octobers are like this however.

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 3:53 PM by luke Highlight this comment 160

and today (sunday) at 3:30AM or so on the webcam 1, were those the ad panels on the scoreboard, or the light tower?

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 161

The new floor at The Barn is now in.
Looks very nice.
Click my name for a photo gallery of the new one.

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 4:18 PM by luke Highlight this comment 162

nice looking pics from the bpa. one critical comment in regards to the main plaza area. i am dissappointed in the vegetation that they went with. it seems overtly bland and midwestern to a fault. nothing but green and prairie grass looking junk. maybe they just haven't planted everything yet since it is now fall, but would some flowers or anything with color hurt?

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 8:06 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 163

Actually, luke, most Octobers are like today. We had a high of 60 which is average for this date.

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 9:54 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 164

well - hopefully our "Octobers" will stay like this for the next 35 years...can't afford too many 'snow-outs' or 'freeze-outs' during a regulated playoff schedule, now can we?

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 165

luke,

That is the light tower over the scoreboard. They must be burning that in now, as it has been on for a couple days now.

Posted on October 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 166

Thanks David.
I just wasn't sure. I've seen the scoreboard light tower on when I come on 94E going to work - from webcam 1, just couldn't tell. I'm sure though, they've already tested the ad panels enough. What I'm looking forward to is driving by in the morning with the scoreboard tower AND the Twins sign underneath on at the same time.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 06:53 AM by luke Highlight this comment 167

now that Twins baseball is over this season, I find my mind wandering to Target Field and keep wondering about certain things. As a STH next year, will we get first stab at tickets to that Gopher game? I wonder if I could get my actual seats. I'm starting to feel very territorial about my seats. lol.

Before they open, I wonder if they might have some sort of open house for STH? I wonder if other teams have done so.

I also still wonder if I will be able to go down the aisle between 101 and 102 to get to my seat in 102 row 9. I was under the impression that that aisle doesn't continue down to row 9, but now that the seats are in, I'm not sure. If anyone has a picture with an angle to tell, I would love to see it. It looks like there is room to get into the row. This would be bad and good - convenient for me but too convenient for half the rest of row 9 too (stepping over us. ugh)

Nothing can be as bad as being in seat 1 in some of those never-ending Dome rows. For game 163 I was in seat 1 and thank God we spent so much time standing because of the game. I was ready to kill someone. I can't believe how many people at the game of the decade had to get up and down to smoke or get a drink refill DURING every other inning!

Hopefully springing for some seats away from the OF will pay off next year :)

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 06:57 AM by jax Highlight this comment 168

p.s. Though I did enjoy the number of "Circle Me Bert" signs out there at game 163. LOL classic.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 07:01 AM by jax Highlight this comment 169

jax - the Twins have said they are planning on having several opportunities throughout the month of March to visit Target Field and check it out.

As for the circle me Bert signs, I was shocked how many people had signs at game 163. The game was nationally televised on TBS and it amazes me how many people bring signs to games in which Bert is not even working. If you are going to do all of that work to bring a sign to the stadium and hold it up, at least make sure the game is on FS North/My29 so you can actually be circled by Bert.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 170

jax/Mike,

I thought the same thing about the Bert signs. In fact, I wondered how those people will ever know if they got circled. Do they record the game and then watch the whole thing when they get home? Is somebody watching for them? Maybe they're hoping to win the lottery thing.

The same goes for any kind of signs (including Miss Pink Hat above in the article). I'm all in favor of supporting the team, but these people seem to be doing it as much for the three seconds of TV time they might get out of it, which they may never see! Or is it to get on the scoreboard? Or is it just to be a cheerleader?

It's a part of major sporting events that I don't really understand.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM by Rick 171

Rick: Do you have more pics? Feed the natives!!

Ballpark Ninja: I think it is about time for you to go on another "Tour" of the facility...

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM by Max Highlight this comment 172

New images up on the Twins website. Click my name for the link.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 10:45 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 173

I'm pretty sure Bert worked game 163 on TBS

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM by Evan A Highlight this comment 174

Yes, I have some recent pix, and a whole bunch from the flag pole saga (which now can be told in its entirety).

As for ninja tours...good luck with that. The place is sealed up pretty tightly and patrolled pretty heavily at all times. I've never tried to get in surreptitiously, but I bet it's nigh on impossible right now.

I've heard there will be extensive opportunities for tours next spring, and would expect something like the multiple rounds they did over at TCFBS.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM by Rick 175

Double Northstar Trains in the station @ 11:30, webcam 1

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 176

And a lightrail. It's almost as if we have a transit hub just outside LF

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 177

Having the LRT go all the way to Target Field feels weird now. I almost walked across 5th St at 1st Ave last night without looking because there has been a barrier up so long. No train coming, luckily.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 178

Also, with all this talk about the HERC smell, has anything been done to address raw sewage smell that used to hover around 5th St/3rd Ave. back when Rapid Lot was still there? Rank.

Lately the foul smell has been on 4th St./1st Ave, right in front of OM. YUMMY!

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 179

Did anyone else notice that the roof of the Dugouts at Target field only extend out about a third of the way as the old Met. It looks like if you are sitting down on the dugout bench your feet will still get wet if it is raining! This sure seems weird unless the dugouts external framing is not done yet.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 180

Chad,

I'm assuming you heard that someone got hit by a test train over the weekend... Watch for trains, people.

And the smell is certainly a sore subject. There are lots of potential sources of foul odors around there (including the sewers, the Target Center back doors, and a TUBS facility about a block up the street) but the HERC always seems to get the credit.

I've never smelled anything inside the ballpark, and on the outside it's always been traceable to something other than the HERC...

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM by Rick 181

Evan A, Bert did not work the TBS game 163. That was the abysmal Chip Caray and Ron Darling.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 182

How do you walk into the side of a train?

On another note, my favorite sign at the dome last Sunday:
T eixeira
B lows
S wisher

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 183

The new Twins primary logo was leaked in MSP Magazine.

In fact, it includes "Minnesota" and "Baseball Club"

Click link to see picture. It was apparently scanned out of the magazine so the quality is not the greatest.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 184

Chad - does the LRT actually run all the way down there, or is the "last stop" still the Warehouse District station? Do they actually drop people off down at TF now, or won't that happen until the Northstar opens up next month?

The logo looks much better than the current one. I like the darker blue.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 185

Does anyone know if the Twins will wear a commemorative cap like the Yankees are wearing this year? I think it's an awful attempt by New Era to generate some revenue, and don't like the way it looks.

Beyond that, has anyone noticed that Joba the hut Chamberlain and Jeter are wearing the cap with the normal MLB logo on the back? I surprised they'd be able to wear the non standard cap.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 6:05 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 186

JC - I'll bet they probably will...
Just thinking of the patches they'll be using next year: They'll have the normal Minnesota shaking hands logo. They'll have the 50th Anniversary logo. And the Inaugural season at TF logo. And my guess would be, that the new "Minnesota Twins Baseball Club" logo might appear on the jerseys as well - it has the look of a sleeve patch.
So, that's four. Either the jerseys are going to look like NASCAR jackets, or one of them is going to have to go on the cap IMHO.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM by luke Highlight this comment 187

so going back to my previous comment,no one knows when the plaza is going to be open (I'm assuming it'll open before the stadium).

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 6:24 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 188

At least one Northstar train was stacked alongside the South Parking lot at 7:15am this morning. At 8:00am, there was another at the station. The 2nd train was at the station by 8:15am.

It looks like they departed at 4:00pm, 4:30pm, and 4:45pm. There was a new train in the station from 5:00pm to 5:30pm, and again from 6:00pm to 6:15pm.

Must be timing the evening runs.

The light rail is not taking passengers to Target Field until November 14.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 6:36 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 189

"Either the jerseys are going to look like NASCAR jackets --- "

There is talk of this becoming a reality - "limited" and "tasteful" advertising on jerseys. The end of baseball as we know it. And no, I'm not kidding.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 7:03 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 190

They might just remove the "Twins shaking hands" logo (for 2010 purposes only) from the home jerseys and have a 50th patch on one sleeve and the inaugural season on another sleeve. Or perhaps they wear an inaugural season patch on their cap instead? Lots of options for next year.

I guess we won't know for sure until the unveiling on November 16.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 7:07 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 191

My mistake, Bert was interviewed around the end of game 163 but he didn't do commentary throughout the game.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 7:16 PM by Evan A Highlight this comment 192

Watching the Angels finally take one from the Bombers...

Here's something which simply must stop: piping the vapid post-game interviews to the entire stadium.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 7:41 PM by Rick 193

fyi - during tonight's 10pm news on kstp channel 5 (abc in minneapolis) there is going to be a story on the construction of target field and twins fans interaction with it. the teaser for it was given a "controversial" type of tone on the 6pm news and it sounded like perhaps it had something to do with fans trying to sneak looks into the facility or something to that effect and some issues that have arisen because of it.

anyways, not sure exactly what the premise of the story will be when it airs tonight, but fyi if you want to watch.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 194

Even when Bert is part of a National Broadcast, he doesn't spend his day circling people like he does on FSN.

I was at a Saturday game vs the White Sox that was on national tv on Fox (Dick was on, but not Bert). Some gaggle of blonde bimbos were a couple of rows in front of me in dead CF. One of them had a 'Circle Me Bert' sign with 'it's my birthday'. Her and her pack of bimbettes kept holding up the sign and jumping up and down and turning toward the CF cameraman one row over.

I kept trying to tell them it wasn't on FSN and they were wasting their time but they didn't understand. Finally, the birthday bimbo decided she'd wiggle her way over to they CF cameraman and bat her big dumb eyes at him and charm her way into regional sports tv history.

I could see him mouth the words "I'm with Fox" and kept shaking his head. At this point I was laughing so hard. She kept re-doubling her efforts, having no clue what he meant, thinking she could schmooze her way into a tv shot via her cleavage and her big dumb blonde head.

She eventually returned to her flock and kept shrugging and looking back at the camera guy and showing him the sign between innings.

It was so funny and pathetic but it's also irritating. If you're a fan, it doesn't take much to know that it's a Bert thing - and where there is no Bert, there is no circling!

Jacquie

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 7:54 PM by jax Highlight this comment 195

Regarding that link to the logo picture, does anybody else find it hilarious that there is actually a website devoted to people discussing sports logos? That absolutely kills me. I guess you really can find ANYTHING on the internet if you look hard enough. "Get A Life" was not just a great Chris Elliott TV show...

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 9:29 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 196

The early KSTP news (which runs on KSTC 45) aired the piece about trespassers. YouTube is doing maintenance right now, but I'll upload as soon as I can.

There wasn't much to it except to say that there have been trespassers, including some last night after the bars closed, and the penalty can include a one-year ban from the address where you get caught.

So, wanna-be ninjas, think twice.

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 9:33 PM by Rick 197

Rick: Clearly this is a job for the real Ballpark Ninja and ONLY the real one......

Posted on October 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM by Max Highlight this comment 198

Whew, that took a while. The trespassing story is up (click my name). There are two versions. The second one is shorter and covers essentially the same ground.

Posted on October 20, 2009 at 01:04 AM by Rick 199


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"You talk about the magic, the aura, but what really makes a stadium is the fans. Concrete doesn't talk back to you. Chairs don't talk back to you. It's the people who are there, day in, day out, that makes the place magic."

– Bernie Williams

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Work beneath the scoreboard



The Northstar stop has a name.






Our host points to the Puckett Atrium on the diagram.



It looks like the Target-themed signage has spilled out to the surrounding area (this was taken from the entryway to the B ramp from Third -- the 394 entrance ramp tunnel)









I think that's a pig up there on that vane!



Click to enlarge.



Photo by Tyler Wycoff






Justin Morneau, mobbed after a game-winning homer on June 9






As mentioned earlier, one of the best climate-controlled views of construction is from the 7th floor elevator lobby in the A ramp. (That's Noah getting his first glimpse of the new ballpark.)



Looking the other direction, again from Ford Centre, you can see what's going on over the tracks. This will be a public promenade.



It's pretty easy to see right into the Twins dugout!






I never think of Rod Carew as a first baseman. But he was.






These outfield stands will likely remain visible to passersby.



A closer look at the louvers












Lots of speakers, but in some places, no sound.



The Metropolitan Club (click to enlarge)






This is the left field pavilion in the original concept model. The restaurant pictured to its right has been moved, and the seating area has been extended at least one full section toward center.



I noticed this detail while taking the previous picture. I figure that it must be the VIP entrance from the surface parking lot. I don't think there is any parking inside the ballpark, so this entrance will likely be for suite-dwellers and other VIPs, though I can't say for sure whether players will enter here.



Puckett atrium chef stand menu



From the revised site plan, this is the configuration of Gate 34 Puckett.



Click to enlarge









This will be a great neighborhood. Note that the covering is being built for the emergency access. Also, note the streamers above, which appear to be monitoring air flow.






The connection from the corner of Seventh Street and Second Avenue. You can now see where the little grassy area and franchise history board will be (the triangular area in the foreground).






Detail enclosing the main ticket window area






We took refuge for a time in the Twins Pub where you can drink a beer (or just hang out) and listen to some ballpark tunes. The organ is decorated with a TC (of course) and what looked like drawings which Sue has received from kids.












TC gets ready to release the hounds. (Kids get to run the bases after Sunday games.)



This view looks up Fifth Street toward downtown and shows how the LRT tracks sort of snuggle up to the ballpark.














Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

Selected Bibliography - Analysis
 


(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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