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Settling Down

May 11, 2010 2:46 PM

Ah, things have finally started to settle down a bit. As a certified ballpark geek, it's just overwhelming when each day produces 100 new articles to scan and you don't want to miss anything interesting. In truth, however, interesting things could only be found once in about every 200 articles. Such is the nature of the echo chamber which is much of the media these days.

View from the Overlook

It seems like every blogger in Twins Territory has written about his or her first experience at Target Field. Most of the descriptions come down to, "Here's what we ate, and here's where we sat, but we didn't sit very much." I find the first part interesting mostly because the food is something that can be changed a lot easier than, say, seat widths which will likely be there forever.

Not that I'm looking for things to pick on (I've found some seat-width choke points, but mostly they are great), but I am trying to get a handle on overall fan comfort, and food, to my mind, has little to do with it.

Flowers. Real flowers.

La Velle inadvertently started a round of ballpark ranking, and that led me to think about ranking criteria. Truth is, I can't come up with anything simple. For one thing, food is out because it can change too quickly and vary too much from one stand to another.

For example, I had some delightfully fresh cheese curds out at the State Fair booth behind the left field stands, and I had a super rubbery batch from a stand on the upper concourse off of first base. How much do you want to bet that I could have experienced exactly the opposite difference an inning later in each case?

Don't get me wrong. I'm definitely interested in comparing the food between ballparks. But it doesn't rise to the level of being definitive.

Believe it or not, I'm still not ready to write a definitive review of TF. I have to admit that I'm still so blown away by just being able to stroll open concourses that I can't really be objective at all about some of the things which I think will come to matter later -- when the team isn't quite this good.

Best ballpark amenities ever? Exciting baseball and winning.

No Troughs, But...

Here's a subject which is going to require serious attention in the offseason: Restroom placement and configuration.

Those of us who attended BallparkMagic Night (which was a total blast, by the way) learned a little something about hopping up and down on one leg, and it was just the result of low capacity and poor design -- and I don't mean of our anatomy.

When you look at a map of TF, you'll see that rest rooms are concentrated along the main concourse, leaving the outfield stands somewhat barren. (The map scanned at right, which is being handed out to almost everybody who enters TF, actually contains some big inaccuracies, but it appears accurate as far as the outfield is concerned.)

Before you say, "Ha ha, you men have to stand in line now," let's just say that it need not be that way. You don't need to rob Peter to pay Pauline, as it were. What we have here is some really bad design that was being covered up by the constant use of the "fixture count" in all the press.

Remember those charts of how many fixtures there were compared to the Metrodome? Looked great, right?

Well, it turns out that it matters where all those fixtures are located, how evenly they are distributed according to where the people are, and how the rooms in which they are housed have been configured. Who would've thought?

In the current design, each of those two outfield rest rooms has to accommodate a whole lot of bladders, and they are woefully beneath the necessary capacity, despite the fact that at times they're OK. (The upper concourse is not a problem, by the way. If you've got the time, take an escalator to pee.)

On top of that, the men's room between gates 29 and 34 is incredibly small, and poorly designed.

The french fry lights were on!

For some unknown reason, there's only one entrance, which also serves as the exit, and the sinks are on one side of the door while the paper towels are on the other side. That means you need one "excuse me" to get through the line between the urinal and the sink, another to get from the sink to the paper towels, and an unprecedented third "excuse me" to squeeze past the incoming line to get out of the place!

Here's one of those moments when I made an assumption which turned out to be totally incorrect. I assumed that bathroom design for large facilities had been solved long ago. In fact, if you simply replaced the Metrodome troughs with urinals, you'd have the perfect design: Enter from one side, do your business and clean up in the middle, and exit the other way.

Why wouldn't such a design have just been carried over?

So there is an opportunity for reconfiguration, which will solve half of the problem. But the other half is capacity, and they're really going to need to add some behind the outfield seating, which could be tough, but hardly impossible.

A little ground's crew action in the first inning the other night.

The silver lining to this story is that there's a cart right outside that bathroom which sells the most delicious deep chocolate cupcake for $4.50. I couldn't resist, and it's the best food I've had yet at Target Field.

Yeah, I guess maybe it is all about the food after all...

Sound On Sound

I don't want to belabor this too much, but we found another dead zone for the sound out on the Overlook. The PA announcer sounded muffled under the best of circumstances, and was generally inaudible if there was any other noise going on -- such as a crowd cheering.

Simply turning up the volume won't solve it. They need more speakers, placed strategically to cover those areas not currently being served.

After the rain. (We were in the wrong spot to see the rainbow...)

The sound design is certainly quite complex, but they have a ways to go to get it up to an acceptable level. Frankly, I think the PA announcer should be audible anywhere open to the field (including all concourses), and the radio feed should he heard anywhere which is not open to the field (rest rooms, clubs, elevators, escalators, gate areas, plaza, maybe even the parking ramps). Inside the suites, you should have your choice of PA, radio, TV, or nothing.

Again, I assumed that this was the sort of thing which had been solved for all ballparks long ago. Not so.

Fanning the Fans

You know, I'm cynical enough to think that using a taser on a fan in Philadelphia is meant to send a message to fans everywhere: run on the field and you may get tased.

Never mind the obvious class action lawsuit just waiting to happen against tasers. We've all seen the various videos, and it appears that tasers do one of two things: either they drop the perp in a heartbeat (occasionally stopping said heart in the process), or they cause the dude to completely freak out (causing his heart to race to the point where it sometimes just gives out).

With all due respect to law enforcement, using a taser is tantamount to electrocution (I know, it's the amps not the volts, but still), and the anecdotal evidence is that their use is just as likely to make a situation worse as it is to make it better.

They are also extremely dangerous. In Philly, the idiot (who was completely at fault, don't get me wrong) could not walk for a few hours after the incident. His body -- and brain -- will likely suffer ill effects for the rest of his life (similar to a lightning strike). That's a constitutional challenge just waiting to happen.

If you saw that video, you know that they weren't exactly dealing with Adrian Peterson out there. If a half a dozen security guys can't bring in one drunken idiot without a taser, then you need some new security guys. I heard somewhere that security guys at TF don't carry tasers, but they have "other means" at their disposal for dealing with unruly fans.

I'm rooting for nets -- like the gorillas used on Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes.

A beautiful, glowing sunset after the rain.

Keep It, Already

But that brings me to one other fan behavior which needs non-taser modification.

Just take a look at the body language of the Twins players the next time a fan throws back an opponent's home run ball. They are embarrassed when that happens. It reflects poorly on them, because it's disrespectful to the other team. We've all read about those unwritten rules, right? Well, they apply to fans too.

What's more, when something like that happens (a game-tying homer in the 9th), all that the players are thinking about is getting that next guy out and getting back to the plate. Now the game has to stop, Cuddyer has to trot out and field the ball, toss it to a ball boy, and get back to his position before the game can continue. Not cool. (You may not have noticed it but the ball boy usually just tosses it to another fan like a routine foul ball.)

The homer that Brennan Boesch hit on BPM night sailed way over our heads. It was a monster moon shot (448 feet and the longest hit yet at TF, according to HitTrackerOnline.com). The appropriate response is awed silence, or maybe even polite applause because that was one awesome hit.

I go to TF to see great players play a great game, and when you see a hit like that, even if it wasn't by your team, you just have to say "wow" and give the guy some props. Throwing the ball back is like spitting in his face.

You know what? If I catch a Major League baseball, I'm hanging on to it. It either came off of a Twins hitter's bat or out of a Twins pitcher's hand. Either way, I'm good.

In fact, to continue channeling Charlton Heston, you'll get my Major League baseball when you pry it out of my cold, dead hand (or kindly replace it with an autographed equivalent).

A last look on the way out.

Talkin' Baseball

Have you noticed that people are talking baseball all over the place? Even talk about the weather -- ubiquitous in these parts -- has got a baseball undercurrent. "Will they play tonight?"

Even birders are talking baseball these days! How unexpected is that?

I gave my tickets for last Thursday to our daycare provider, and she reported that they were primo seats for the dance of nature that is Kirby the Kestrel. Kirby's thumbnail review of TF: "I ate yummy moths, and the seat width was just perfect, but I didn't sit very much."

Then you turn around to this!

It's all a part of that thick baseball thread being woven anew through the community.

Almost forgot to mention that I'll see you down at the game tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon. It's the first trip for my lovely spouse, and we'll be up in 323. See you there!

Comments


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Tremendous post again Rick. Well done. Lots of thought provoking things which will get more attention when the "wow" factor wears off (circa 2011-2012)...

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 2:58 PM by Max Highlight this comment 1

Rick-

You mention that there are only 3 men's restrooms on the main concourse level...and I'm assuming that's what you circled. I was just at a game last week (sitting in sec 125) and I know for a fact that there is a men's restroom just behind sec 124 on the main level....that would make 4...unless there are maybe some others as well.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:04 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 2

I'm using the map they are handing out at TF (which is what I scanned). The map shows a women's room there, but no men's room.

Maybe the map is not accurate. I didn't check it.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:09 PM by Rick 3

Funny you mentioned the practicality of the design of the restroom itself. I went to the April 2 game against the Cardinals, and that (the layout of the thing) was the first thing I noticed about TF that I didn't like, and I didn't go until after the game was over! But seriously, you got the problem pegged. You enter, wait in line, use the urinal, have to cross said line to get to the sinks to wash your hands, and then cross said line again to get to the paper towels, and then ford the line to get out of the damn place! It's like whoever designed the layout of them wasn't thinking about the fact that there would be people using them, or at the very least, the fact that there would be more than one person using it at the same time...

But great post! Nice pics! And is Kirby the official, (well, "official") name of our Kestrel? I know they had a poll on FSN last week to pick a name but I didn't hear what won...

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:11 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 4

I've been to five games now and have yet to visit a restroom. Must not be drinking enough overpriced beer.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 5

There is another family bathroom out in center field, for those of you with kids.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:13 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 6

Fred, the one that you're talking about is there indeed. It's the one I was talking about that I used on Apr. 2 (only one I've been to...only game I've been to :( ...), over by the train station. I was wondering why it wasn't on that map as well.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:14 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 7

I noticed that the map didn't have it on there....my guess is the map is wrong. The restroom isn't very large, my guess is about 12 urinals and 3 stalls (no back area). The line forms very quickly. Me and my son went in, no line...when we exited about 2 minutes later, the line was very long.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:15 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 8

Got tickets tonight in section 'T', going to try to extend my so-far-perfect regular season record against those White Sox.

I had to break out some of my winter gear for tonight, though - forecast temps are in the low 40s at gametime! But /fingers crossed/ the rain stays away.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:20 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 9

I'll second that comment about everything having a baseball undercurrent. Saturday is the Fishing Opener, probably as big as the Twins' Opener for many Minnesotans. Yet, one of the die-hards in our boating group makes this observation: "The Saturday game in New York is at noon! Sweet! We can fish in the morning, catch the game and a quick nap, and still be back out on the lake for the evening bite!"

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:22 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 10

oh, and don't the symbols on your map at sections 107 and 120 include both sexes? I'm pretty sure I used the 107 one: our seats were in 106 and a pitching change was all the time I needed...

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:30 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 11

Rick,
There is a mens' room behind section 106/107, too, that doesn't show on the map. I'm not sure if that means it's in addition to the others, because it's the only level 1 one I've used.

As mentioned previously, the LC mens room has the same backwards config. Both would be solved EASILY by swapping the exit doors with the entrance doors. In 106/107, you could enter on the right, turn right to potty, and then come back around to wash, use the towels, and exit to your left without EVER crossing over anyone else. Again, even with two doors, we are crossing once on the way in, and once on the way out.

In LC, which is very nice, you come in on the right, walk past the sinks to potty as you walk left, then go back to your right to wash, then back to your left across the urinal line to leave. If there's a line, it backs up into the lobby, rather than across the stalls like it would if we came in the other side.

It's SO SIMPLE I can't figure out why they didn't yank the doors off and do it after the first home series.

I think if the doors were fixed, and if a big sign were put on the back wall that said "more urinals around the secret corner" (By TC Bear of course) the lines would be nearly eliminated with a more efficient people flow.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:31 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 12

I was trying to say LC Bathrooms are very nice, but still very screwed up in config.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:33 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 13

According to the legend on the map, those are women-only.

I've been poking around for another diagram, but can't find one.

A very old schematic drawing shows small men's rooms in a few other places.

I'm going to adjust that section of the post until I can clear this up...

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:35 PM by Rick 14

The family one is closer to right field than I think the one in that diagram. It is to the right of the State Fair stand.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 15

When the restrooms were designed and placed, did the Twins and their architects design them with a capacity crowd in mind? That isn't to say that the restrooms couldn't handle a capacity crowd, but more along the lines of the team designing them for the crowds of 25,000 to 30,000 that will be more likely in future years when the ballpark isn't so new and the team isn't as good.

On a different matter, I think the Twins need to get a better handle on line and crowd management for the concession stands and carts on the 3rd base/left field lower concourse. The crush there is out of hand.

One idea might be to use more stanchions to snake the lines like when you are going through the metal detectors at the airport or are in line at Barnes and Noble. You get one single line and the person at the front always goes to the next open register.

Another idea is to do what the Mets have done at Citi Field. You go through a stanchion as stated above, but only order and receive food at the counter. After getting your food, you go through another stanchion and pay a separate person as you exit. It sounds unwieldy, but it keeps the line moving and the people behind the counter only have to worry about supplying the food, not handling money.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 3:54 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 16

Jorge, that's also done for sanitary reasons. People who handle food don't handle money, because money is generally filthy (from a health standpoint.)

I think Target Field is still in its infancy, and they're still working out the bugs as they go.

"Bugs". That was a kestrel joke. ;-)

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 4:04 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 17

One thing I've noticed is that the pizza stands almost never have a line. They're probably going to need to move one of the popular foods from the other stands over to there, thus splitting demand between two different stands.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 4:14 PM by Rick 18

That would be a good idea. They could still sell the pizza and some of the other Italian themed ideas, but also sell hot dogs, pretzels, and some other ballpark food. As for the pizza itself, it's okay, but nothing worth going out of your way to get. Perhaps if the pizza was of a higher caliber, it might be more popular, but that ship has long since sailed.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 4:32 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 19

Max - you think the TF honeymoon period will be over that quickly?

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 4:38 PM by luke Highlight this comment 20

Off Subject from the bathrooms, but after watching the games on tv and seeing ricks picture from right field to homeplate, why are the lights never on directly behind homeplate under the canopy? It seems that they start right after home and head to left, and start at first and head to right! Any ideas?

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 4:51 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 21

I was wondering that also Jo Jo! Gee I kinda feel bad I gave my tickets to my kid for tonight! Gonna be a cold and damp one!!!

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 22

Because those lights would interfere with the outfielders, specifically, the centerfielder.

Perhaps, the lighting may affect the centerfield TV camera as well?

I know they don't turn on that band of lights at Yankee Stadium either behind homeplate. The Metrodome's light bank behind home plate was never turned on either for baseball games.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 23

Lights don't come on because they'd be in the players' eyes. I think they're there in case TF is used for another event, where that's not an issue.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 24

I was gonna say what FTK said, this is the year to work out the bugs, might need a little remodeling here and there but in the coming years it'll be better

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 7:59 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 25

Maybe they will let me coach third.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM by Matt23 Highlight this comment 26

how would those affect centerfielder any worse then 3rd base lights messing with right fielder and so on! seems like they could have eliminated them.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 8:09 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 27

Once Slowey gets done pitching batting practice maybe they will put a real pitcher in.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 8:29 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 28

when will they fire Scott Ulger? He is the worst 3B coach I have ever seen. I have never seen so many runners get thrown out by a country mile, than I see with Scott Ulger!

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 8:32 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 29

Looking to swap two Home Plate Box tickets on Tuesday against the Yankees for someone with Thursday tickets, ideally Home Plate Box or better (or close to it), and would settle the difference with cash.

I'd list on TCTraders, but something tells me if I list them for face I'll be inundated with requests I have to turn down...Rick maybe there should be a comments box so I can indicate trades only? Not sure if that's on the slated update or not.

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 9:02 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 30

Well that was a clunker as Freddy is now 10-6 vs Twins. Ozzie goes from 3-16 the last 19 in the dome to now 1-0 at Target! Slow hand gives up 5 runs with 2 outs! Better make sure we get that nooner tommmorow! Tough strech coming up on the road also!!!!! Any birdie sightings on the fowl pole tonight! Or has our little bird history?

Posted on May 11, 2010 at 10:19 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 31

No sightings of Kirby the Kestrel tonight. I did enjoy the "Well played, Mauer." on the scoreboard, though.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 02:40 AM by Sass Highlight this comment 32

Good Morning everyone! That 5th inning was painful to watch! Let's hope Pavano gets the W for the series split

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 06:36 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 33

I get the feeling that the next couple of weeks are going to be painful to watch.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 07:13 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 34

Maz, Max, and several others here will be happy to know, according to Charley Walters in todays Pioneer Press:

"A little birdie says Target Field spectators could end up drinking nearly double the amount of beer at Twins games this season that they drank last year at the Metrodome."

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 07:16 AM by luke Highlight this comment 35

Man I hate Charley Walters writing. He could have just been a normal journalist and quoted Dave St Peter, who said that on the radio last week.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 07:49 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 36

Vikeologist-
I'm with you on Ullger. What the heck was he doing sending Kubel? Doesn't he remember that Kubel is slow? That's the third or fourth time he's made the wrong call this year.

I was kind of hoping Kubes would be benched for awhile too. He's been awful this year (minus a few bad strikeout calls early in the year). He did get on base twice last night...so I guess it wasn't all that bad. Thome and Delmon have been leaps and bounds better though. I can't remember any memorable AB's (that were outs) that Kubes has had while Delmon has had many great AB's, but they haven't all fallen for a hit or HR.

Not sure what happened with Slowey either. He was cruising and then couldn't get the third out. It was getting ridiculous. Definitely hoping for a great start from Pav today.

I now have a 2-3 record at the ballpark.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 08:27 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 37

Lets hope they get some runs for Pav today! Need to end this homestand 6-3 NOT 5-4! I dunno did not see the play on Kubel. But with 2 outs I guess I do not have a real problem sending him even though Kub does not have the good wheels. Now if there was only 1 out you do NOT send him in that situation! Man the extended forecast looks AWESOME with highs in the 70's and 80s the next 2 weeks as we finally break out of the below normal temps and soup for may.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 08:38 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 38

JoJo - there seem to be some banks of lights that are brighter and maybe a different type of angling to them. See the webcam from about 10 pm on last night. They turn them on after the games when the field crew/cleanup crew is working, but many other banks of lights are off.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 08:39 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 39

Kinda glad that little birdie flew the coup! Do we really need to get all bent out of shape about a bird? FCOL!!!!!!! Sheeeezzzzz!!

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 08:39 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 40

Not a good game last night. Too many Twins swinging at pitches in the dirt, too many Sox line drives. Another 3rd base coaching gaff getting Kubel thrown out by approximately 80 feet.

The Twins definitely need a good game today before heading out on the road!

And no Kirby the Kestrel sightings last night. Lots of barn swallows (I think), they put on quite the acrobatic show as they're eating up bugs. Sometimes they would swoop just a few feet above the crowd.

I'm 5-1 during the regular season now. Next game for me is May 29th.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 08:47 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 41

Anyone know what Mauer's BA is with the bases empty vs men on base. I am guessing it is at least .100 higher. That was a bad strikeout last night.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 09:34 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 42

Ozzie Guillen, via Twitter:

"Target fields best stadum in the american league"

Scroll down, and you delve even further into the man's mind - funny.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 09:59 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 43

if anybody has been to twins autograph party in the past, could you please comment on how it is organized? e.g. if you wait in line for a mauer signature, is that the only one you're going to get? i really preciate it.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 10:32 AM by timb Highlight this comment 44

The more "in demand" the signer the fewer you are going to get. For Mauer you would need to make a beeline to his "station" (with your $35 auto card) and hope to be not too far back in line.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 11:16 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 45

Man I hate Charley Walters writing. He could have just been a normal journalist and quoted Dave St Peter, who said that on the radio last week.

Shooter is a goofball and we'd all be rich if we had a dime for every one of his rumors that didn't pan out. However, DSP is a media whore of the worst kind who constantly puts his face and name on camera and in print well beyond what is necessary. Compare his public profile on a year in/year out basis to his contemporaries with the Vikes, Wild, and Wolves. If Charley wants to play it this way and keep DSP out of the spotlight for an extra few minutes, I'll take it.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 11:38 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 46

TwinkFan-
It was a bad, bad call. Yes, there were two outs, but the cutoff man had the ball around the time Kubel was maybe halfway around third. Just watched the replay and it does look like he was somewhere around halfway, maybe a little closer to third. You can't really see because of the camera angle, but it's a guess. I think the Hardy call was still worse though.

DreDogg-
Here's Mauer's stats:
empty: .425
runners on: .308
RISP: .345
RISP w/2 outs: .500
loaded: .333

Correct with the .100 difference

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 47

I was a Kubel hater for years. Last year though I finally saw what Gardy has been claiming is there and that is solid hitter with some pop. Now he's in a nasty slump again. Let's hope it doesn't last for another 3-4 year spread.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 48

Luke,

I think i am drinking about the same about... i do drink a few cans of my own on the plaza b4 i enter but about the same..

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 12:19 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 49

It will be nice to get Hardy back. I am getting pretty sick of Harris at the plate.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 12:48 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 50

If anybody wants to sit in the Legends Club for halfway affordable rates, I'm selling my pair in Section R for cost for the Royals series 6/8-6/10. I will not be able to make any games in that series. Clink link to email me. Thanks.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM by twinswschamps2010 Highlight this comment 51

DeePee-
I was a Kubel hater for a few years too. It mostly wasn't because of him though. I hated his knees. His name was always said in the same breath as Mauer and Morneau's but he wasn't living up to that because of the slow healing process and the fact that he hurt his other one compensating.

I think he's a good hitter, but I don't know what's going on with him this year. His swings look like junk.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 52

AJ
Maybe that knee is knee is flarin' up again.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 1:14 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 53



It's cold, but we're here...

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 1:32 PM by Rick 54

How good was that catch by Rios, Rick? John & Dan on the radio broadcast were raving about it.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 1:46 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 55

I would rather have bamboo shoved up my fingernails than listen to Dan Gladden do play-by-play. "There's deep drive to left, Delmon is after it...and it's in the seats." Home run, I thought. Couldn't gauge crowed noise because there would be none if ChiSox hit it. Only when Gladden says, "that would have been trouble if it stayed fair" did I realize it was a foul ball. God, get the details right! Paint the picture! He is horrible. His calls for everything is flatline monotone. My god, so some excitement when something happens!

Ok, rant over.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 1:57 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 56

Rick-

About the use of the Tasers. Right now they are the best now lethal use of force option for Law Enforcement.

A little information on Taser's, they do not electrocute a person, but rather send a electronic pulse that mimics the same pulse from the central nervous system The goal is to produce, what is now as muscle lock. If you want more information I can get the manual out for mine.

I personally have been tased three times and mace four times, all for work. The taser does hurt like a bitch, but it only lasts five seconds and produces no after effects once the cycle stops, unless reactivated by the officer. When being tased it feels as though all the muscles in your body, especially between the probes, are constanting flexing. Does this leave the body a bit sore afterwards, yes but there are no long lasting effects.

Like I said there is no better non lethal tool for Law enforcement to use right now. Concerning the situation in Philly. One that kid deserved to be tased and two, I don't buy that he couldn't walk afterwards, he walked off the field on his own. Once the power on the taser is turned off, its over.

Three, what would you rather have the off duty cop do, chase the idiot around disrupting the game even longer? Use Mace? The problem with that is mace is an aersol. Which means running around attempting to mace the kid means everyone in the vacinity is going to get maced aswell, I'm sure the umpires and players would enjoy that. They could step it up a little bit and use their ASP (extendable baton), but that would cause more damage to the kids legs and cause even more outrage among people. They could have shot him, but seems a bit extreme.

Remember that security is not looking at this guy as just an idiot on the field. They most likely have been trained to treat these guys as threats and at that point a taser is the best and most effective non lethal tool to stop the threat.

Security doesn't know what that persons intentions are, but their job is to protect the field and the players and other people on the field. Monica Seles was stabbed by a "fan" who came out of the crowd. Kansas City Royal first base coach Tom Gamboa was attacked by "fans"" who came on to the field from the stands. These incidents are few and far between, but one does not know when they are going to happen, and security must treat it as though it will happen. There is a very thin line between being paranoid and vigilant.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 2:04 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 57

Well after last night's game, I am 0 for 3. Twins outscored 13-5 in those three games. However, I am 3 and 0 for having temps 50 degrees or lower with rain or a chance of rain. 5 and 0 if you include my other 2 visits to Target Field.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 2:16 PM by pawelk Highlight this comment 58

Man Detroit beating the yankees again 2-0 in the 9th now! Herman Munster go for the save today? Hold onto your lug nuts!!!!!

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 2:25 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 59

Kind of sucks that the Tigers can beat the Yanks twice. I have a bad feeling about our series with them.

Hopefully I'm wrong, and hopefully Kubel is benched.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 2:31 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 60

TWINS MAGIC NUMBER: 127

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 2:36 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 61

The big boy gets another Tatoo on a snapper mow em down 9th! Nice job! Needed that win bad! Dang Detroit can't lose to the bombers. Lets hope yanks pull out the nightcap to keep us 3 up!

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 2:39 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 62

Summer Baseball Road Trip has been booked. PNC Park, Citizens Bank Park (for the Twins series), Nationals Park, and The Ballpark at Camden Yards. Yahtzee!!!!...and then a drive to Omaha on the weekend to see the grand old daddy Rosenblatt Stadium laid to rest.

Nice win today at the Bullseye. Keep on rolling. You can't win the pennant in April/May but you sure as hell can lose it.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 3:18 PM by Max Highlight this comment 63

Love how the organ sounds at Target Field, sounds exactly simillar to the sound of the Twins' 87 and 91 team! Don't ever change it! An open air ballpark was needed, but the organ had to stay the same. It also sounds a heck alot better than those organs at Comerica Park and Kauffman stadium, bleck, those things sound horrendous.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 3:27 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 64

if larry divito or anyone from his ground's crew read this blog, i have a suggestion:

i think you guys need to do a first base cut-out and make it clay there instead of grass. the first base ump stands there all game long and guys are constantly coming to a stop after running to first that grass always gets worn way down in that spot in ballparks. it is almost impossible to keep the grass growing at a proper rate and keep it at a mlb level of appearance.

fenway park does a first base cut-out on their field if you want to see what i am talking about. in fact, i think they even do it/did it on the third base side as well (but not 100% sure about that side of the field).

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 65

Beta, I am pretty sure they do it on 3B side as well. Although, it would probably be for continunity and appearance, not function

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 4:09 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 66

Max where you sitting for the friday Phillies twins game? i'll be there

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 4:31 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 67

Faber,

You are dead on about Gladden he is horrible at play by play, Gordon is OK at it but he never tells you the score. I miss the days of Herb Carneal at the mic.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 6:00 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 68

F_T_K,

That catch was AWESOME. He nabbed the ball right out of the bullpen.

Faber,

There are many times that I think I know what Gladden is describing, then it turns out I'm totally wrong. He has improved, but it still can be frustrating. (That's one of the reasons that I always have the Gameday window open while listening.)

On that particular play, we were all holding our breath because it looked totally gone off Konerko's bat. God bless the wind!

Duffman,

The point about needing to assume that the idiot may be dangerous is certainly important. But it comes down to skilled assessment of the situation. Having seen the video, I don't think there was any indication that the guy was dangerous. He was clearly just goofing around. In that case, tackle him.

Regardless of what the taser is designed to do, administering an electrical charge to someone is begging for a lawsuit. Given the fact that many videos I've seen show subjects freaking out and being even more difficult to apprehend after being tasered, I think it's a very dicey weapon to discharge. The risks seem to outweigh the benefits.

Max,

Sounds like a fun trip. I cannot, however, endorse "the Bullseye". That's where they hold archery tournaments, or perhaps line-dancing marathons.

CTM,

We hung out in the Twins Pub for a while watching and listening to Sue play. She was sure having a blast today. And it appears that she absolutely loves to constant fan interaction. Part of that may be due to the fact that the fans are very respectful of her, and she seems quite skilled at balancing the various incoming stimuli.

Beta,

On BPM night, we were observing that the grass around where Cuddyer stands is already starting to look worn!

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 6:59 PM by Rick 69

for those that have been to target field (i have several times) what are your impressions of the grass length and how it compares to other fields you have seen in person? too long? too short? about average?

i guess i am not sure what i think, but i was wondering if divito & company perhaps keep it shorter than "normal" and hence some of the "worn from overuse" areas already being noticed. to be fair those areas are few and far between around the field, but was just wondering what the overall impression is on the grass length.

thanks

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 7:13 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 70

Beta- De Vito says he cuts the grass to 7/8ths of an inch which he says is about the mlb average. Gardy also says he likes the grass to behave so that a hard hit ball does make it through the infield when its supposed to. If you ask me I think that the Twins should try making the grass either 1 inch high or try 1 1/8th- I think that would be better but what do I know?

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 8:26 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 71

OK - I have a crazy question...
for those of you that went to the make-up game against the O's...did they scan the tickets upon entry to TF, or are the barcodes voided, since the game wasn't played on the original date, and the stubs are torn off?

Just curious.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 10:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 72

Luke they still scanned the tickets. They made the ping noise just like any other day.

After today's game I am 9-2 at regular season Twins games this year. 10-3 counting the exhibitions.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 10:32 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 73

And Im on a 5 game win streak might I add!

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 10:33 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 74

tom d. - ahhhh interesting. gardy trying to keep a bit of a "metrodome roll" going?! :-)

my guess is 7/8ths of an inch is slightly on the shorter side of the mlb average.

Posted on May 12, 2010 at 11:24 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 75

Apparently not ALL that glitters is gold.
TF's worst seat has been discovered.
Click my name.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 07:12 AM by luke Highlight this comment 76

Now THAT'S a bad seat!!!! It makes the RF bleacher seats look like the Champions Club.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 07:41 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 77

Luke - Some people will argue that is one of the better seats at TF. VERY close to the Captains Deck! And, since it is on an isle in the top row of the section, it is very easy to get over to visit the Captain.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 08:23 AM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 78

I think I remember sitting in that section during the open house. I don't believe it was just one row. I think there were a rew rows where you couldn't see home plate.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 08:46 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 79

I know its been brought up here and linked to but like a junkie looking for their next fix I've been watching the Marlin's new stadium web cams.
They've added some new views. it's fun watching and looks like it will be a nice stadium. I'm just so against retractable roofs that I'm just more meh than anything. IMO retractable roofs are pointless, redundant and ugly. They aren't outdoor stadiums. They're either indoor stadiums with a retractable roof or retractable roof stadiums. Not much outdoor about them IMO. But fun to watch all the big trucks and cranes! There will be some pretty cool steel construction for that roof. Kind of makes me nostalgic for the target filed construction. At least we still have those web cam archives to start over in '07.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 09:40 AM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 80

Close readers here knew about that row and aisle in Section S after the first open house. In fact, the first couple of seats in each row almost all the way down are obstructed -- significantly -- by the railing on the right.

But nobody said you have to actually sit in your seat, right? clublevelfan has the right idea there.

Makes you wonder if maybe filling in that little notch might not be such a bad idea, though you still would need a way to separate the Legends Club from the Skyline Deck.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 09:55 AM by Rick 81

This will give you an idea of how far down and in you need to get before you can see the plate. Keep in mind that I was standing, so you have to get a little farther in if you're sitting.


Posted on May 13, 2010 at 09:59 AM by Rick 82

My Gladden annoyance--he gets sidetracked way too easily, a lot of the time at the expense of the play-by-play. He'll start a random story while Mauer is batting with 1 ball, 2 strikes, 1 out, and by the time he's done, the opposition is trotting off the field at the end of the inning. He can't stop a story to announce pitches. So annoying.

Also, not relating to Gladden, but FSN has that stupid camera on the Budweiser deck, and they're using it way too often. It's a terrible angle for ANYTHING, and half the time they're switching it to the Batter's Eye camera too late during a pitch. It should never be used for in-game situations, just for views of Target Field between innings.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 10:11 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 83

Chad,

Totally agree on Gladden, i have said it many times to my friends and family. my wife is sick of me saying it :) I think Gladden does fine as the color commentator, He does have a decent amount of knowledge and his stores are fine.

John Gordon is fine, he is a little more of a homer than i like but you can tell what is happening when he speaks.

that is my two cents.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 10:14 AM by Thrillhouse Highlight this comment 84

Ballparkreview dot come has posted their review of TF. Click on my name.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 10:23 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 85

Here's the review from BallparkReview.com with paragraph breaks (and some commentary) added.

When the plans for Target Field were originally unveiled, many people bemoaned the lack of a retractable roof. Would people be willing to sit outside in the cooler months after being accustomed to the constant 72 degree temperature of the Metrodome?

But after seeing Target Field, I don't think they will mind one bit. In short, there is a lot to like and very little to dislike about the Twins new ballpark.

Located just off the downtown and adjacent to the Target Center, Target Field was tucked neatly into a very small plot of land. The exterior is one of the most distinct in baseball as it is made of yellow and brownish limestone, a material produced locally.

"yellow and brownish"? How about "golden".

Almost all fans will approach the ballpark from the outfield side, either on the train (behind the left field wall) or via walking from the downtown which brings you to Target Plaza, the area dedicated to showing off the Twins history. The ballpark is easily accessible by car (parking is available close by for $10-15), train, and bicycle (there are large bike racks on either side of the park).

Before the game, be sure to allot yourself enough time to take in Target Plaza. There are large statues of Harmon Killebrew and Kirby Puckett, a “Tradition” wall with banners dedicated to every season of Twins baseball, and another wall depicting the history of ballparks in Minneapolis.

In addition to the history, there are concession stands open and plenty of benches to sit and relax or people watch. It probably is the best feature of the park. My only problem with it is that it actually sits outside the gates of the park. So once inside, you cannot access it. Strangely, there is very little Twins history present inside the park.

This is an interesting observation because, if you've seen the club levels, you know that history is pretty much everywhere, and it's very nicely done.

But for someone who gets no glimpse of any of the exclusive areas of the park, it's much less pronounced. In fact, there's a reasonable argument to be made that the average fan will see almost none of the truly interesting historical stuff because it's all in the controlled areas.

I discovered after one game that the Legends Club was open for anyone to wander through. If you've never done that, it's definitely worth it. But the suite level and Champions Club are off-limits at all times, as are the First and Third Base lounges.

The seating bowl and concourses measure up to what you would expect from a new park. The main concourse is very wide, completely circles the ballpark, and is loaded with concession stands. The seats are all green fold-downs (not sure why they didn't go with blue seats, a Twins color), with the exception of a single bleacher section behind the left field fence.

There are also some seats (those in the club level) that have wooden seat backs, though am not really sure what the point of them is.

That's funny because Victoria asked me yesterday if the wooden-backed seats are more comfortable. I hadn't thought about it, but the answer is no. They're pretty much the same. They just look cool (which is something, I think).

While I doubt there are many aspects of the Metrodome that fans will miss, the steep pitch of the seating bowl may be one of them. The team argues that less pitch is better, but I don't agree.

This bears further discussion. Balancing sightline needs with the prevention of vertigo is one of the things Populous gets paid big bucks for. My first reaction is that they did pretty well at TF, though I'm going to think on it further.

The upper deck is split into two distinct seating areas, just like Citi Field and Citizens Bank Park. This allows fans to stand and watch the game from the concourse. Target Field really excels in catering to the fan who wants to wander around as there are counters everywhere on the concourses.

One of the coolest features of the ballpark is the large canopy that covers much of the upper deck seating. This canopy also houses the lights, meaning there is no need for light poles.

I miss light poles. They make for an interesting skyline profile for ballparks. And I don't get all the fuss about the canopy (which has been going on since day one). It's nice and all, but it's just a fancy roof.

While the upper deck seems a bit higher than other parks, the sightlines are still quite good from everywhere. Though if you sit in the first few rows of the upper deck, your view will be obstructed slightly by the rail in front of the first row.

Railings will be a perpetual problem. The Twins put some effort into this, and did a pretty good job, but skipped the most obvious solution: horizontal circulation aisles a la Anaheim and Wrigley.

As for the height of the upper deck, it matches almost exactly all of the most recent Populous-designed parks. That's what I'm calling "the template".

One part of Target Field that confused me was the large open concourse in right field which seemed empty. Other than a couple concession stands there was nothing else there. Perhaps they will utilize it better in the future.

Also an interesting point. There certainly is opportunity out there, and I wouldn't be surprised to see all of the right field seating reconfigured in coming years.

For now, how about some Port-a-Potties? (Just kidding, though that is the area where bathroom density is the lowest. More on that in my next post.)

The setting of Target Field is great as the downtown location gives it a very hip vibe and the skyline which can be seen behind right field is one of the better views among MLB parks. As for the atmosphere, it was better than I expected for a new park.

Besides a few baseball video game kiosks along the concourse, there was very little to distract fans from the game – no ferris wheels, no merry-go-rounds, no batting cages. At least for right now (while the Twins have a good team), the focus is definitely on the game. It is also very laid back as the ushers are probably the most unobtrusive I have ever seen at a new ballpark.

Agreed. The ushers have been truly amazing everywhere I've been in the park.

The one thing that might serve as a distraction here is the food! There is certainly something for everyone's tastes. Some of the unique offerings include Cuban sandwiches, walleye fingers, pork chop on a stick, turkey legs, calzones, Mexican, BBQ, steak sandwiches, and corn on the cob.

The quality of the food seemed to be excellent and the prices about average for a MLB park.

There are two other unique features that are worth mentioning. First is the ambient heating installed along the concourses. Apparently on cold nights this will provide some warmth to chilled fans while waiting in lines to get concessions.

The other cool feature is the large old school Twins logo in center field which depicts Minnie and Paul. When a Twins player hits a home run, the logo lights up and they shake hands.

In summary, there is little arguing that the Twins have built one of the best new ballparks to come around in the last decade. While it doesn't quite match up to PNC Park or AT&T Park for me, Target Field will rank in the next tier of ballparks on my list. When you see a game here, you definitely will know where you are – that alone makes a ballpark great in my mind.

Always with the PNC-this and AT&T-that! (I gotta see those two parks...)

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 11:13 AM by Rick 86

I wonder if/when the Minnesota Twins baseball club is going to release an updated "ticket update?"

You would think by now, most, if not, all remaining games in May, June, July and August are all sold out. I am sure those September weekday games might have a few seats remaining though.

I was asking $60 each for my seats in section 102 ($37 face) against the Yankees and someone thought I was crazy asking for such high prices...I told him that was cheap and he probably would not get lower level seats any cheaper than that. Some fans just need to wake up and realize the days of expecting cheap tickets for premium games are over. It's no 55,000 seat Metrodome anymore.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 11:20 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 87

Anybody looking for tickets should be watching Stubhub pricing as a reference. Everything's going way up, and it's common to find $12 face value tickets -- View Level down the lines -- going for $70 or more depending on the visiting team.

Supply and demand, people.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 11:31 AM by Rick 88

Rick, while I think the horizontal circulation aisles might have fixed the railing issue a bit, I think it causes other problems. As much as I love Wrigley, we sat in the first row right behind that aisle and had problems all game with people walking by and stopping in our sight lines. Wasn't a big deal most of the time, but occasionally people would stop to gape, or take photos and block our view entirely. So really swapping one problem for another.

I don't see a real issue with the railings and it's not like I'm tall either at 5'11" or so. It is kinda asinine that the Twins actually charge extra for those first-row seats though.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 11:32 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 89

Rick: My ballpark count following this summer will include...

Marlins Stadium
Tropicana Field
Old Yankee Stadium
Shea Stadium
Fenway Park
Jacobs Field
Comiskey Park
Wrigley Field
Miller Park
Old Busch Stadium
Kauffmann Stadium
Ballpark at Arlington
Petco Park
Dodger Stadium
AT&T Park
Safeco Field
Metrodome
Target Field
PNC Park
Citizens Bank Park
Nationals Park
Ballpark at Camden Yards

Having been to AT&T Park a few times and seen lots of reviews/pics of PNC Park, I think I can reasonably say that what people believe sets them apart from Target Field is NOT the facility itself but rather the LOCATION. Both absolutely gorgeous on the water...

Sooj: I'll be there on Saturday afternoon and possibly Sunday. No seats yet, have to do some research...

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 11:43 AM by Max Highlight this comment 90

Anyone know when they will be re-releasing tickets that the visiting team didn't sell? I know they did that for the Boston series. I am currently in the market for tickets to the 6/12 game vs ATL. Is there a chance ATL is sending some tickets back for this series to be put on the market?

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 91

Buffalo,

Those existing horizontal aisles are not perfect, but I think they hold the key, if properly modified.

At the very front of a deck, you have to make sure the railing is high enough to protect a drunken fan from falling into the lower deck. Unfortunately, the resulting railings block views, but not because they are too high. Rather, it's because the seats are installed too close and low.

By adding a small aisle, which is wide enough to allow people to get to their front row seats but narrow enough to discourage thru traffic, then raising the first row (so you actually step up from that small aisle to get to your seat), you can have the necessary railing height, but the front row of seats would be high enough to see over it.

Balancing all of those heights is tricky, of course. I know that we sat in the second row yesterday and were still partially obstructed by the railing. But I think it could be done (maybe it requires two small steps up from the small aisle).

Of course, it would cost more, which may be why it doesn't get done. It's probably cheaper to deal with the complaints than it is to prevent them...

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM by Rick 92

j2eepgmr,

I guess as the resident Marlins fan BallparkMagic reader I'll defend the retractable roof. I get why Twins fans dislike roofs, having played for the past few decades indoors, but if you've ever been to a game in South Florida, you would know that a retractable roof is absolutely necessary. During the summer down here, it rains just about every afternoon. Going to a 7pm game, there is a good chance that you may have to sit through a delay and that kills the attendance. On top of that, I haven't been to an afternoon game in years because the heat and humidity make it way too uncomfortable.

Last summer, I visited Phoenix, Milwaukee, and Tampa for the 1st time. I absolutely hated the feel of Tropicana Stadium. I'm sure in many ways it was like watching a game in the Metrodome. The view from the stands was fine, but it just lacked the feel of being at a ball game. It was actually a pretty depressing place to be. On the other hand, I loved what I saw in Arizona and to a lesser extent Milwaukee. In Arizona it was a miserable 106 outside but when you walk into the stadium, it is 75 degrees and comfortable. Then about 15 minutes prior to first pitch, they open the roof and it stays at the same comfortable temp. throughout the game. It was awesome. I didn't like the design of the Brewers roof quite as much, but it was raining that day and the game game was played on time and without delay, so I was just happy the roof was there. I didn't think the roof took anything away from the experience, rather it enhanced it. The ingenuity and engineering that it took to design and build both stadiums are incredible.

Anyway, to each his own. I can't wait until 2012! I personally love the idea of being able to play in a climate controlled, baseball-only building. There is one thing I'm sure we can agree on and that is baseball in a football stadium just doesn't work. I'm glad you guys have a beautiful new ballpark. I can't wait to get up there to visit the place.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 12:33 PM by Greg Highlight this comment 93

Here are the parks I've been to so far:

Metropolitan Stadium
The Metrodome
Target Field
Comiskey Park
US Cellular Park
Kauffman Stadium
Yankee Stadium
New Yankee Stadium
Fenway Park
Exhibition Stadium
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
Shea Stadium
Citi Field
Wrigley Field
Milwaukee County Stadium
Candlestick Park
Dodger Stadium
PETCO Park

With family in the Bay, going to AT&T Park is inevitable, but stars and calendars have never properly alligned to get me in there so far. I really want to see PNC Park a lot, but getting to Pittsburgh even for a weekend trip has never worked out.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 94

Greg,
Yeah dude, totally understand. I'm not dissing the roof for the new Marlin's stadium. I get what you are saying will be beneficial with the roof. I can't argue against it. Compared to the roofs you mentioned its going to be tastefully done. I'm not looking to persuade anyone against retractable roofs if you are for them just saying what I think. I just want to make sure it's not my intention to dis anyone and try to be argumentative. I'm having a blast watching and look forward to seeing it when it's done and hosting games. No idea if I'll ever get there for a game but would be nice.
You mentioned Tampa. I haven't been able to dig them up but I saw some concepts of the new stadium the Rays want. It has a retractable roof but if what is drawn now gets built that will be incredible and I'm not so against what's being planned there. From what I remember the roof will actually be a semi transparent cloth type material ( not a tarp like the dome ) and be hoisted by a pulley system supported by a pole meant to represent a sting ray tail. So when the roof is closed it will look like a big sting ray.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 1:18 PM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 95

My list of ballparks I have visited

Metropolitan Stadium
Metrodome
Target Field
Kingdome
Safeco Field
Wrigley Field
Busch Stadium II
Busch Stadium III
Kauffman Field (pre and post remodel)
Mile High Stadium
Coors Field
Milwaukee County Stadium
Miller Park

A couple for tours, unfortunately no game
Fenway Park
Turner Field

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 1:52 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 96

No offense taken. I completely understood your point. If my team played in a place like the Metrodome all those years, i'd be biased against playing indoors too!

As for Tampa, I've seen those renderings as well. That was from a failed attempt to get funding for a stadium a few years ago, but it did look awesome. From everything I've read, they are in for a long stadium fight too. Not only do they have to find funding, but they have a lease that runs until 2027 or something that will be tough to get out of...especially if the stadium isn't built in St. Pete. The team wants to move across the bay to Tampa which is closer to the population base. Also, Tampa doesn't have the tourist money to tap into like Miami had. It'll be interesting to follow...it could get ugly for them.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 2:01 PM by Greg Highlight this comment 97

Well the yankees doing us no favors taking on Detroit. Tigers up 6-0 top of 7th going for 3 out of 4! Think we are walking into a hornets nest tommorow? OUCH! Please no way we get swept!!!!!!Yikes!!!!!

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 2:01 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 98

Not at home right now, but does anyone have the dimensions of the photo the Twins sent out from opening day? And has anyone found a cheap place to frame it?

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 2:15 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 99

Twins = Boy Scout Troop
Yankees = Russian Army

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 100

"Not at home right now, but does anyone have the dimensions of the photo the Twins sent out from opening day? And has anyone found a cheap place to frame it?"

27 x 9.5. I'm going to try looking for a decent "ready made" - Target, etc.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 101

Well Ben, not sure I would go to that extreme! But hey was hoping the Yanks would have put up a better fight vs Tigers! They fer sure may be loaded for Bear come tommorow!!!!!! Moon Shot Scott on the mound! Hope the fans in the outfield have the hardhats on!!!!!Cmon Moonshot!!!!

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 2:27 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 102

The Twins can beat the Yanks - no question. BUT, it's the same old shit - they need to be hitting on all eight and paying attention. There does seem to be, or have been, some sort of "snake-bit element at play.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 2:35 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 103

Well the Tigers sure as hell kicked those bronx bombers around again today!!!!!

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 3:27 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 104

I wish we had Pavano going against the Yanks. He usually does well against them.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 5:49 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 105

Even when he's pitching for them, AJ. I'm glad he's turned it around for our club.

Posted on May 13, 2010 at 6:54 PM by Sass Highlight this comment 106


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The parking bay structure is now clearly visible



Parking ramp knothole






Showing more of the context for the louvers.



This is the plaza as viewed from the A ramp.



Puckett atrium chef stand menu



Note the speakers hanging beneath that deck



The Pro Shop.






Doors directly to the concourse, and a view of the stands beyond



Here's another look at the Oliva gate.



Someone please get those poor people a drink of water. (Gate 34, after the game had started)






Here's the view from the main concourse out through Gate 3 "Killebrew".






Heaters over standing room (the backs of the retired number circles visible above)






The main concourse is a very busy place at all times.









The Switch






Where you are, and where you can go.



The top of a warehouse visible beyond a parking ramp.






Looking from the middle of the third base side back toward the entry door









The finished product. Note that, at the very bottom of this image, you can just barely see the tops of the windows which look into the Champion's Club. (Home Plate Box)



Look beyond the gigantic hand (a hounds tooth jacket? really?) and you'll get a glimpse of the main grandstand configuration. The two (or is it three?) levels of suites are visible, as is the design of the so-called "split upper deck," and the extensive use of limestone for decorative accents. Let's hope these little touches don't get cut as costs increase, because they make a nice tie-in from the outside of the park to the inside. Of most interest to me is the way that the very best seats are physically separated from all the rest of the seats by that limestone. There will be virtually no way to sneak into these seats. On one level, that's a somewhat sad design feature...









Playing surface dirt out there? Maybe. (click to enlarge)






That's Noah and my brother, Chris, checking out the Loge Box amenities



It's a great view of the action, though standing here is somewhat discouraged.



The first pitch.


Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

Selected Bibliography - Analysis
 


(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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