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Signs and Portents

January 20, 2010 9:01 AM

You and I won't need a sign to find our way to the plaza or Gate 3 or the Grandstand section, but a whole lot of people will.

Here are some of the signs I saw on my weekend tour around the ballpark.

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Note that the sign in the background will NOT be changed because "Twins Way" doesn't extend this far north.


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Notice that the wooden-backed club seats are now covered by a green tarp for protection from the elements.


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This little pathway snakes between the LRT tracks and the Environmental Services Building, emptying into the parking area surrounding the HERC. It could be for maintenance, but it looks more like it's for convenience.

And now, without further comment from me, a collection of concession stand signs provided by one of our ninjas.

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Obviously, the State Fair sign is not fully installed. I believe that the bottom three also feature text beneath them, though I don't have pictures to prove it.

For comparison, here's an image from TCF Bank Stadium:

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This is Nationals Park:

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These are from CitiField:

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This is Fake Yankee Stadium:

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(I think my non-commenting is in words only...)

And don't forget this important sign (from the Ballpark Authority construction update):

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Now, how's about a related blast from the past?

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Next up: Some wind veil detail and more video.

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Rick, is the Environmental Services building the one that has plans already in the works to move/tear down? I thought I remember you saying something about that on a few different posts.

Anyway, if that is the case, do they plan on using that more open space to create a better "entrance" to that portion of the stadium/transit center? As it stands right now, it is rather cramped, and the only place to cross the LRT tracks is to walk 7th all the way down to 3rd.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 09:15 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 1

So are they finished incorporating MN food at the ballpark. I know obviously items like the juicy lucy, walleye on a stick, and other state fair food are distinctly Minnesota, but as far as I can tell Murray's is the only MN restaurant actually represented. Is that the case, are they still adding more places, or are there other MN restaurants I am missing that are there? Also I believe I read there will be a place for MN beers, does anyone know which beers will included from MN? Thanks a lot!

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 09:19 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 2

DreDogg,

Yes, that's the building I've heard talk of tearing down. I'm not sure it's an official plan yet, but one of the possibilities I've heard is to build another LRT platform on that location strictly for the Central Corridor trains.

I don't think the walkway in the photo plays into that plan, however.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 09:23 AM by Rick 3

I had to laugh at myself when I couldn't initially figure out that the thing in the Senor Smokes sign is a green pepper. ...is that a green jet taking off? a green Canada goose? This makes no sense!! .... Oh, it's a pepper! (smacking forehead)

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 09:45 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 4

I just added one picture above that I forgot to put in the entry originally...

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 09:56 AM by Rick 5

I corrected one caption above, because it turns out that "Twins Way" does not extend this far north. The renaming is limited to the portion of Third Avenue from Seventh Street to Twelfth Street, which runs next to the surface parking lot to the south of the stadium.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:12 AM by Rick 6

A friends sister works for MSP Magazine and they are looking for questions about Target Field to be addressed in the next magazine. Anybody have any?

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 7

Are the signmakers Canadian? "Favourites" on the Sausage sign. Washroom signs come next.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:20 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 8

I think they need to put the "Beware of objects leaving the playing field" in the outfield sections when Baker pitches.

:rimshot:

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:24 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 9

Great post, Rick!

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:33 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 10

DVS: I have a question that I haven't yet found an answer to: Will Metro Transit extend the departure times of city buses so that we can take them home after night games? For instance, I would love to take the 61 to the game and back; however, the last bus runs right about 10 pm, which might be fine for some games, but certainly not all. Having some of the major routes run up to 30 minutes after the game would give an extra travel option to lots of fans.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:42 AM by skoalvikings Highlight this comment 11

DVS: Question to pass along - Is the wind veil indeed going to be beack-lit, and if so, what color(s)?

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 12

"back-lit"

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:47 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 13

Looks like the stairs going to the grandstand wont be cover as it was shown in the original plans otherwise it would have been covered by now. Wish I had that sign or something from the old met. Oh well your pictures are just going to have to do. I was wondering about the transit options as well since they would like people to hang around and take things in around the ballpark like eateries and such. Was wondering if transit options would run at better hours so one could take in all that stuff that would be kind of cool. Hard to go out and eat have a beer and so on if public transit options are on a limited schedual.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:54 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 14

IALTO. I think if Crain ever got a chance to start he could rival Baker for giving up the most tater bombs.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 11:51 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 15

I am starting to agree with Rick about the concession singage. From the few photos that I saw some time ago, I really didn't mind them. Now, from the photos that Rick has posted on this entry, the concession signs look very cheap and sort of an after thought.

I don't mind the words underneath the signs, but the images they used are just horrible. It looks they were taken from my elementary school cafeteria. The Twins probably got them for a great price.

Why didn't they use signs that are similar to the directional signage used around the ballpark? Modern, classy, and simple donee right. Hopefully over the next few years they can update these sort of things.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 16

Yes Crain getting offered arbitration was a travesty. $2M for that slouch. He will be like Livan, Ramon Ortiz, Juan Rincon, et al who were finally cut/traded after costing the ballclub several wins during the summer months. Man could Crain's fastball be any straighter?? Listen Major League hitters can hit a fastball regardless of how hard you throw. That baby has got to move...

And The American Idle (See his 4 yr/40M performance in NYY and amount of production he gave or lackthereof) getting 7M for a team like the Twins who pinches pennies is insane. The guy wasn't nearly that valuable. Just absolute highway robbery. Some of these frivolous expenses give the Twins MGMT excuses of why they can't go out and get "new" talent (I'm looking at you Orlando Hudson).

To just standpat and "retain" your players via arbitration is just not good enough. This should be unacceptable, but I am afraid the sheep of MN won't care. "Gosh darnit we are competing to win the worst division in baseball and those mighty Red Sox and Yankees just have more money than us" At some point, you have to go out take a short term risk (you know a 2 or 3 year deal to a guy in his prime). This isn't gonna cripple the financial status of the club. But jeezus, can they at least feign a desire to "GO FOR IT" with a decent signing every few years. This annual dumpster diving in March is very tiresome and leads to 1st round exits in October. But gall darn it we tried hard and just came up short.

I love this team dearly, but man o man MGMT makes it hard to be 100% invested in the squad when it is clear they only want to be competitive enough to fill the seats, but not enough to be good enough to win the World Series. Always the bridesmaid, Never the bride!!

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 12:53 PM by Max Highlight this comment 17

I just remembered that I took some pictures of the concession stand signs over at TCFBS and added one of those to the post above for comparison purposes.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 12:58 PM by Rick 18

Nice writeup, Max. The sheep continue to support mediocrity, so why should the Twins do more? "Golly gee, schucks, we're trying just as hard as we can!"

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:04 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 19

i guess i dont really care about the signs.. they can be changed after a few years.. as long as the lines are managable thats all i care about.. dont want to miss 1.5 innings waiting for a brat and a beer... thats sooooo domeish!

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:04 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 20

I think I published this article too quickly. (I'm not good at doing fast posts, as you probably know.)

Now there are three more comparison images up there of signs from Nationals Park, CitiField, and Fake Yankee Stadium.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM by Rick 21

Strib just put out an article about the random drawing for opening day tickets. Single tickets for the rest of the season go on sale March 13. Click my name for the link.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM by Rusty Shackleford Highlight this comment 22

Mazaratirick - As long as they don't manually add up your total like at TCFBS the lines should be pretty good.

It still amazes me that they built that beautiful new football stadium and they don't have electronic cash register. Foolish...

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 23

So I wonder how this drawing will work, and how many tickets you would then be able to purchase if you are chosen. It is obviously to your advantage to get a group together and everybody register. But if you are talking only about 5,000 tickets up for grabs, who knows if it would matter anyway. I bet they get over 100,000 registries for those remaining tickets. It probably doesn't matter when you register between Jan 29th and Feb 10th right? Would think the drawing would happen after registry is complete.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:31 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 24

I would imagine the signs will be changed once things shake out and it is determined which items need to be dropped, improved, etc. I am particularly curious about the Murray's sandwich. Murray's is very fussy (or at least they used to be) about where their beef comes from, is cut, prepared (they have a special broiler and very well trained cooks), etc. I just can't see that item being pulled off at a ballpark by a vendor sourcing as cheaply as possible and employing minimum wage/volunteer help. At least not without a serious drop in quality. I am absolutely shocked that Pat Murray would allow the family name to be used and seriously doubt Marie would have ever allowed it.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:32 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 25

trosy29 - i don't think it was foolish at all. remember that there are what 8 home football games a year at a college football stadium and then any additional events that TCFBS would host. camp randall stadium in madison, wisconsin uses the same method as TCFBS in terms of a manual calculation of your food/drink tab and people seem to handle it just fine and don't complain about it the way some people complained when TCFBS opened last fall. i attended 5 games at TCFBS this last season and the lines moved along just fine.

for comparison purposes target field will hosts 81 home games a year and therefore it actually makes sense to make the large investment of an integrated electronic pos/inventory system. for college football stadium facilities like TCFBS & camp randall the total number of "events" hosted per year does not really justify investing in expensive electronic pos/inventory systems when a manual system is more than capable of handling it.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 26

Why put pictures of food ON the signs like that? My burger is never going to look like that, and the picture isn't going to make me realize, hey, I could really go for a burger right about now!

Burger.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 1:46 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 27

Does anyone know when tickets will actually be mailed out?

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 2:18 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 28

Jesse Crain 2nd half last year: .217 BA against, 1.2 WHIP, 7.9 K/9.

It's easy to piss and moan about "making a move", but who would you have signed instead of Crain? Instead of Pavano?

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 29

Beta, I went to one game this year at TCFBS vs SDSU. It was probably the lowest attendance all season and I had to wait 20 minutes for a water and a dog at the start of the 3rd quarter. I got back to my seat with about 6 minutes left in the 3rd.

I understand that it is manual at Mariucci because it only holds 10,000 people, but TCF holds 50,000+. That is a lot more people to dish out refreshments to. It would move quicker if an electronic system was put in place rather than manual. It is cost effective? That I can't answer.

They don't complain at Camp Randall because they are all too drunk to remember how long they have been waiting in line anyway. ;-)

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 30

It's all a matter of personal taste I guess when it comes to the concession signs. I find a lot of those other examples atrocious personally. I prefer the Target Field ones over every one but the understated Yankees one. The worst by far is TCF Bank Stadiums "Stadium Snacks." Absolutely useless sign, just as bad as the ones they have in the Metrodome.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 3:03 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 31

The more I look at that signage I agree it could be better. Supposedly the powers that be who have anything to do with building the ballpark went around to other stadiums to get ideas so they could build it right the first time and thats all they could come up with hmmm not so good. This is a stadium thats suppose to last 30 years or more from what they keep telling us and were already disscussing about how things need to be fixed or changed before the doors even open. Kinds interetsing if you ask me.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 3:41 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 32

For me, it is not so much the signage, it is more about the concession windows themselves. They are all the same...just a rectangle cut out in the wall. There is no imagination tied into the "storefronts".

They all look the same, all shaped the same...change the shape, change the trim around the window, add ironwork (like the one picture from Citi Field)...do something more than a 3ft diameter sign to say "this is Senior Smokes!, this is Hennepin Grille!"

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 3:57 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 33

I am also interested to know when tickets will be mailed out if anyone knows.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM by Rusty Shackleford Highlight this comment 34

Has anyone received twinsfest tickets yet?

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 4:05 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 35

I;ve had my TwinsFest tickets for at least six weeks. I can't wait! I'm going to try to get tickets to one of the exhibition games, which will be on sale at TwinsFest.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 4:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 36

Doug Davis signed with the Brewers...which means they are out of the running for Washburn. Please don't let him come here...

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 37

The Twins season ticket holder hotline said that TwinsFest tickets will be sent out this week to season ticket holders. And that season ticket holders will be getting their tickets in the middle of March.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 38

Luke has his twinsfest tix for so long per he is not a season tiket holder and bought them i would assume....

im getting worried the twins forgot to mail out our free ones! they might have used them to sign b. harris

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 39

i think i did not get my season tickets last year til midway thru march last year and in years past....

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 4:53 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 40

I did exactly that Maz...lol.
Yeah, and I thought we were supposed to get a "free ticket" coupon for a 2010 game with each purchase. Haven't seen any, unless they'll hand them out as you come in the door.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 5:28 PM by luke Highlight this comment 41

trosy29 - thanks for the additional insight. considering how many gophers football games i attended last season at TCFBS, i have to say that i truly believe your personal experience with wait-time for concessions (which is unfortunate) was really the exception rather than the norm.

the entire operation of TCFBS improved dramatically from the inagural first game/opening of the stadium throughout the rest of the season.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 42

I'm impressed by the steps taken towards getting good food into Target Field. However, I'm holding my enthusiasm in check until actually getting to taste the new stadium grub. It's one thing to put up a fancy stand and put out a seemingly delectible menu. It's another to deliver. My fingers are crossed.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 43

I think some of you may be getting your hopes up with the Murrays steak sandwich. The last press release I read (because I think the twins released 5 of them about food) worded it "Murrays INSPIRED steak sandwich" Chances are it could still taste like shit and cost $9.50

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 10:28 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 44

"Murray's inspired" makes a whole lot more sense but I am still astonished that they (Murray's) are allowing their name to be used on something over which they have, presumably, little control quality-wise. It may very well wind up being a tasty, albeit no doubt horrendously expensive, sandwich but I can not imagine it will come anywhere near to what one would find at the "real" restaurant.

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 11:43 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 45

I guess the days of simply getting a hotdog and a beer and watching the baseball game isnt as simply anymore is it.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 04:42 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 46

Luke,
How do you know there will be EXH game tickets available at Twinsfest? I don't see that on the website? Thanks

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 07:11 AM by Tom Highlight this comment 47

Dre-dogg - I did see some back lighting from the steel structure at the top of the wind veil a while back. It looked like a series of blue LED lights. I wasn't terribly impressed with it, but I don't think that everything was completely set up.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 08:37 AM by 21 Highlight this comment 48

Quote DSP in his blog "18000 and counting" - 'Preliminary plans call for single game seats for the exhibition games versus the St. Louis Cardinals (April 2-3) to go on sale at TwinsFest January 29-31 ... '

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 08:49 AM by luke Highlight this comment 49

"Horrendously expensive" is a good way to describe ALL ballpark food. You could even add "marginally acceptable quality". I will be toting my Subway bag as I always have if I think I can't wait three hours without eating. It boggles my mind how many people actually ingest what passes as "nachos" or "popcorn" at a major league ballpark. Ish.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 09:22 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 50

Regarding Kevin's "inspired" comment, mine was at the end of the last post...the Jucy Luicy is the "Target Field's version of"...

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 09:45 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 51

I think thats assinine that they are having a random drawing. I purchased a 20 game plan in October and have had no opportunity to get OD tickets, yet they are allowing random people off the street buy them? What a joke... I spent over $1500 on my tickets already and am going to now have to get lucky in their drawing, or shell out 10x face to go on opening day. They should have been sold to partial season ticket plans in order of the date you purchased your plan before being sold to the public at all.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 09:50 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 52

chill jimmer, if you checked the box on your ST invoice then you have a better chance than most....

yea i dont get it when im at a ballpark my wallet just opens for overpriced food and beer...it like magic that mlb puts on me..

i will try the food for a year then go back to just beer and hot dogs next year

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 10:14 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 53

chill jimmer, if you checked the box on your ST invoice then you have a better chance than most....

yea i dont get it when im at a ballpark my wallet just opens for overpriced food and beer...it like magic that mlb puts on me..

i will try the food for a year then go back to just beer and hot dogs next year

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 10:14 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 54

There was no box on my invoice, I think I missed that chance by a week or 2

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 10:15 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 55

Jimmer - I think you should change your name to "Chill Jimmer".

i'll give the food at TF a try... but living 3 blocks away with a huge grill on my deck makes it too easy to stuff my face before hitting the ballpark.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 56

Am I the only one who finds it ironic someone would complain about the quality of ballpark food and then hold up Subway as a better option for food?

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 11:10 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 57

Cool picture of the old Met. Too bad they don't still put in the bar/railings to make the true "Box Seat sections". Two rows of four seats, eight seats to a box, nobody could cross over the whole section. I guess none of the new Ballparks have those either. Still looking forward tho, 81 Days to go!!!!!!!!!

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM by hans Highlight this comment 58

Hey Rick, I have absolutely enjoyed every post! You may have commented on this before, but where do you think the best place to park is at Target field? I am sure many of us will be trying to find the quickest way out to 394. Thanks!

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 11:48 AM by NoahKrienke Highlight this comment 59

i agree with Jeff's (#16) post about signage - it could be classier for sure -- It's kinda hokey, but I keep thinking about some of the outdated signage at the dome - how quickly things look lame - fonts and colors get dated quickly, and not in a charming retro way.
("Field Fare" anyone??)

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 11:54 AM by Jax Highlight this comment 60

i guess ron gardenhire REALLY enjoys eating walleye. click on my name for some photographic evidence.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 61

Yep, they said I will have to enter into the lottery like everyone else... If I end up having to go through a broker to get OD tix, I will not be renewing my plan next year..

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 62

You should have bought full season tickets.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:01 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 63

My rant was more over the cost, Mr./Ms. Buffalo. I'd take a $3 crappy Subway sandwich over a $10 "almost sorta some kinda famous steak sandwich" any day. When you have to explain sarcasm it kinda loses its fun...

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:03 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 64

@ DreDogg, not an option when you've got a 3+ hour drive...

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:10 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 65

I almost always have a dog and a drink at the ballgame, maybe even some peanuts. And yes, I know it's incredibly dumb to pay ballpark prices for anything - especially when you can just eat something beforehand or on the way (although I am not dumb enough to miss an inning or so during the game itself). And, I can easily manage to go without sustenance for a few hours - in fact I do it all the time. But it's like popcorn at the movies, there's a little voice that says "you're at the ballpark, have a dog". Some sort of weird tradition or inculturation perhaps, maybe even successful marketing from decades ago? Who knows? I am pretty sure, however, that the little voice is NOT going to be telling me to get a "Murray's inspired" steak sandwich at whatever the outrageous price is going to be while at the park. Now, a Kramarczyk's Italian sausage on the other hand -------

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:15 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 66

It's going to be a fantastic ballpark and I don't care what the signs look like. But, I will say this, the could have spent a little more money on them.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 67

I don't think I have cared less about a detail in the new park as I do about the concession stand signs -and I'm a big details guy. They look fine to me. To each their own, I s'pose.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 68

Jimmer, you should have bought a flex 40 or something in 2008 or 2009, that way you would have been guaranteed 2010 home opener tickets and you could have sold some of the extra vouchers and such to accomodate the games that you could attend.

Anyone with a season ticket plan (full or partial) prior to the 2009 season is guaranteed home opener tickets.

That is one reason I bought my flex 40 starting in 2008 because I figured the Twins would "change their policies" come 2010 as the STH base would reach approximately 20,000 FSE's.

My rep even told me last year that it would be best to sign up for the 2009 season since nothing would be guaranteed come 2010 (unless you had a full 81 game package).

I am still wondering how many tickets will actually be available in this online drawing? Also, does anyone know which partial plans get which exhibition games?

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 69

jimmer,

gee....thanks for the heads up to all of us that you will not be renewing your 20 game plan if you don't get to go to opening day because you made the personal decision to not buy full season tickets and therefore guarantee yourself a seat for opening day. i mean you must be the only 20 or 40 game plan holder out there who will not be able to attend opening day. terrible......just terrible. i think all of you 20 & 40 games plan holders should just cancel your season tickets now and say screw it. i mean it is pointless now right? if you can't go to opening day, well then you just shouldn't go to the ballpark at all because it just won't be the same.

in case you couldn't tell my response was dripping with sarcasm.

more to the point. as someone else suggested......relax. if you are truly surprised that you might not have guaranteed access to opening day tickets as either a 20 or 40 game plan holder, well then that is on you. because you really shouldn't be.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:48 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 70

Would have, but I hated watching games in the dump... I think I made it to 8 last year including the "last" game, and the real last game

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 71

To be clear --- only the (i)opportunity(i) to purchase is guaranteed - assuming the info which has been published here is correct. And, I think you still needed to check the little box on your invoice indicating your interest in OD tix.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 72

How does one do italics here?

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 73

Just saw this interesting little tidbit about Joe Mauer, ESPN and Rick Reilly on the Minneapolis Tribune website. Click on my name for the full story.

ESPN's Rick Reilly will be in Minneapolis next week to film an episode of "Homecoming" at Cretin-Derham Hall with St. Paul's own Joe Mauer. It also looks like interested persons can apply for a free invite to be in the audience during the taping. The link to apply for an invite is within the Minneapolis Tribune story.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 3:11 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 74

" like this "

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 3:34 PM by hans Highlight this comment 75

Or do you mean like this?

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 76

took my son down to TF today to teach how him how to get his ninja on, this place is done! looks great you can walk around the back of the place and look inside... the art on the wall out by the lrt is not that bad looks cool im guessing it will grow on folks...if i did not have my son there would have been some nina opts.... i even saw blueprints in the ford center, mortensen left the door open lol

anyway click to see how close you can get with them not even botering you.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 4:21 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 77

Ok so let me get this straight.... Jimmer didn't buy full season tickets but is pissed off that other fans that didn't buy season tickets might get a shot at seeing opening day game? And the reason he didn't buy tickets is because he lives outstate..... Look this thing was paid for by the taxpayers of hennepin county. Outstate wanted NOTHING to do with this park other than crying that it doesn't have a roof. Sorry Jimmer so you might not get to go to opening day. BFD.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 78

Dang - that ninja's got CAMO. I could barely find him in that pic :)

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 79

Dude, there's going to be at least 81 games a year. Quit crying about opening day. We'd all love to be there, but only 40,000 people can. Get over it.

The link to the Fargo site was cool, except for the turd who wrote, "we'll see how many people are there when it's 25 degrees." Everyone wanted a new stadium, and now some people worry about the weather? I live 90 minutes from Minneapolis, and when I go to a game and the weather isn't perfect, that's baseball, I'll live! You think Indians fans, Tigers fans, Cubs fans, etc. from outside of their metro areas don't go to games because they're worried about weather? And the first person I hear say this on a less than perfect day, "Yeah, I'll bet everyone wishes they played in the dome today." I will smack across the face.

I feel better now, thanks for this forum, Rick! Love the site!!

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 6:00 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 80

Hennepin County built the stadium with taxes collected from everybody. That means folks visiting from outstate as well. Whenever we visited the Metrodome, whenever we visited the Mall of America, and whenever we shopped, ate, drank, and roomed anywhere in the county, we helped as well.

You're welcome!

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 81

moda don't get too high on your horse. this team wouldn't exist without our outstate friends. the majority of hennepin county would have voted this ballpark down if it would have been presented to the voters (thank god it didn't), so let's be thankful we have both fans in and outstate

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 6:26 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 82

Don't forget: The Twins wouldn't be here if not for the push and interest of outstate communities as well. In 1959. the Twins Cities wasn't large enough to be deemed able to support major league baseball all on their own.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 6:38 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 83

All well and good that you bear an additional tax burden the handful of times you visit Hennepin county Mike but lets be honest.. thats a pretty insignificant burden compared to the additional sales tax Hennepin CO residents will pay everyday for next few decades.

If you're a Twins fan outstate you've basically gotten a freebie... which is fine but just want to make sure we're all clear on that.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 6:44 PM by Mr. Dan L Highlight this comment 84

So now there's a metric in place that measures our Worthiness to have acces to OD tickets? Our life-long faithfulness to the Twins is no longer enough? Help is help, no matter if it's 5%, 10%, 25%, whatever. Would that mean that cheapskates living within the county border should be excluded form the opportunity as well?
Oh, and by the way, the STATE built the Metrodome. Love it or hate it, it kept the Twins here for 28 years.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 6:59 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 85

A nerve has been hit! I lived in the Cities until I moved down to a little town by Rochester 5 years ago and I love it in SE Minnesota, but that should not exclude me from going to a game!
We can arue outstate vs metro all day, but Hennepin county specifically and all metro residents generally will be paying more for the stadium than I will. But, I had as much of a chance as anyone else at gettibg tickets.
How about a good private vs. public school debate? Abortion? Politics in general? Let's all settle down about this.
And I think the concession signs are just fine.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 86

Thats right O.G. you know how we do!!!

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 87

come on winona mike. sometimes i think you embellish "your versions" of the truth just a little too much.

if a smaller midwesten metro like milwaukee of all places was able to obtain an mlb team in the 1950's, then the larger metro of minneapolis/st. paul was more than big enough at the time to get an mlb team too, whether it had support from outstate politicians or not.

don't get me wrong. it is nice to hear that apparently out-state politicians put their political backing behind moving the twins here as well, but it would have happened with OR without them.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 8:14 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 88

The tax is a whopping .0015% which is $0.03 on every $20.00 you spend.

If you buy a $20,000 car in Hennepin County, that would be $30.00 that goes to the stadium...If you don't like it, than waste your time and money and go to another county. If you buy an authentic Joe Mauer jersey for $185, than you would pay $0.28 towards Target Field.

How much of our tax dollars go to arts, theatres, police, fire, roads, criminal justice centers and other things? We are paying for convicted felons to eat and sleep each and every day but people don't complain about that.

Some people of Hennepin County think "they" are the only ones paying for the stadium just because they live in Hennepin County. There are a lot of visitors that travel to the Mall of America, not to mention all of the travelers who go through the MSP airport and spend tax dollars. And as Winona Mike mentioned, Twins fans themselves from other parts of the metro and out-state are paying too when they come to Twins games and spend money on food, drinks, lodging, gas, etc.

Before you complain about the stadium tax, sit back and just ask yourself, how much have I actually paid?

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 8:37 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 89

Think what you like, but Wisconsin's population is greater than Minnesota's, and there are several larger outlying communities that surround Milwaukee that add to their market size. You can't just look at the size of the city itself, you have to factor in the outlying communities like Racine, Green Bay, and Madison. And a big part of the Twin's market always has been and continues to be the outstate fans.
I've been pulling for the Twins and living and dying with them for 43 years, and I have long dreamed and desired to be able to plop myself down in their new ballpark on opening day.
But there are those who seem to think that since I'm not even a 20-40 guy that it's not fair that I might have a crack at OD tickets. They seem to feel that OD tickets should be the exclusive right of someone who can get to more than just a handful of games a year. Then they declare, "This is OUR ballpark. WE built it. We'll decide who gets to be there when the doors open. The hundreds or thousands of dollars you spend in our county don't amount to a hill of beans."

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 8:57 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 90

Also keep in mind that the economic impact of, say, the Super Bowl runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars. That doesn't mean that visitors are dropping that much in a eweek, but the money they do spend filters through many strata of the eonomic system, and the amount grows exponentially. The money I spend means that the vendors I frequent have to restock, and that gets taxed. The supplier then has to restaock after resupplying the original vendor. That gets taxed. And so on, and so on. The extra quarter I pay for a beer doesn't stop right there.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 9:03 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 91

Can't we all just get along???? For Christ's sake people, have all of your brains frozen over up there or what???? Everyone take a pill. I know everyone is very emotional right now. Outstate MN has always bitched about being 2nd fiddle to the Metro area. Well, since 3/4 of the state's population lives in the metro area, that shouldn't be a surprise. Everybody just relax. We'll have far more important things to bitch and complain about when the Vikings rip our goddamn hearts out again this weekend.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 92

And they will.

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 9:36 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 93

But on a positive note, now that the Supreme Court has removed any campaign finance limits on corporations, the Vikings can buy enough legislators and a governor that's sympathetic to their desires.

We'll get that new Viking stadium yet!

Posted on January 21, 2010 at 9:39 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 94

While I obviously would love to get opening day tickets this year for the new stadium, I have gone to plenty of weeknight "game 2s" with 9000 other people the night after. While we don't get the pageantry, it is a baseball game the just like the day before.

I wonder what the day game attendance will be for game 2 this year? Will they sell out all of April just by people wanting to see the place? My guess is no (unless the sign Mauer and get off to a great start).

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 07:32 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 95

i'll be there for game two.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 08:26 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 96

This board is starting to sound more like my Economics of Sports class I took in college, and less like a baseball board. On top of that, a lot of the arguments are off anyway but whatever. Good class though...

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 08:39 AM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 97

DVS, Did you take a junior high level economics class?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 08:50 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 98

Not sure what you are implying, but no it was not a junior high level economics class. I graduated with a double major in Economics and also Finance. The Economics class I was referring to was probably the least difficult class I took all through college. Mostly about stadium finance and competitive balance/contracts than anything.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 99

Look yes outstate fans help but Hennepin county residents get taxed... every day on their purchases to pay for it... NOT just game day. Don't even think about comparing your gameday purchases to the taxation on Hennepin county residents. To do so would be stupid. Even if you work there it isn't the same.

Not on a high horse but use your head a little bit here.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:20 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 100

Twins to unveil Twins Way street sign at 1:30 this afternoon.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:27 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 101

Exactly what I was referring to Moda. While out of state travelers certainly do help with the tax, the way the stadium finance was set up puts the brunt of the tax on Hennepin County residents. There are numerous ways to finance stadiums that can re-direct the tax burden (taxes on rental cars and hotels), and for whatever reason HC decided not to go that way. Not to say that out of state contributions don't help, but it's being overstated.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:31 AM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 102

So, Twins Way is supposed to be 3rd Ave between 7th and 12th, going AWAY from the stadium? I don't understand that, considering it's only like a block and a half segment of 3rd Ave that has absolutely nothing on either side.

Unless, of course, they chose that part of 3rd Ave because they killed the previous 3rd Ave at 5th St by turning it into a 394 on ramp...

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:33 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 103

ok let's get something straight here the reason that I brough t up the outstate thing is because someone was pissing and moaning that they aren't going to get to go to the opening day game even though they decided to not buy a package that would guarantee them the game and they live 3 hours away from the ballpark.

Look Henn Co stepped up and got this thing done. That fans who are actively paying for it each day might have a chance to go to the OD game is probably a good thing. And just think they have just as good a chance as the guy bitching about it to start with.

It's much ado about nothing considering there are 81 home games.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:36 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 104

I don't think anyone said they were equal. That would be silly. But Hennepin County sees some measure of benefit having people visit points of interest throughout the county, not just the ballpark. There are plenty of people who commute to and from HC daily to go to work. I'm sure they spend a significant amount of cash within your borders.
But if you feel you must put outstaters in their place, that's fine. Just give us a hole in the wall we can peep through every so often.
I will agree that season ticket holders, by virtue of their faithfulness deserve some consideration when it comes to OD tickets, but Moda really set me off when he finished a post with "BFD."

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 105

Much ado about nothing? Posters here have been wringing their hands for weeks about the availability of OD tickets.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:39 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 106

Man, it seems like there are more and more meltdowns on this board every day. I love it.

I don't want to distract from the HC/outstate debate, but... Linc, do you honestly think the Twins won't be able sell out NINE April home games?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 107

Enough of this Metro v Outstate business! Important matters must be discussed, such as why is Favorites spelled "Favourites" on the sausage stand sign? This is outragous! This is not the UK or Canada! - Or was this a demand made by Morneau?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 108

Cabin Fever...catch it!

Things will correct themselves here once Pitchers/Catchers report in a month. Or when the Baby Jesus signs his extension next week.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:51 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 109

And, does anyone really give a rat's ass about a sign being unveiled? Isn't that a bit of a stretch PR-wise?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 110

That "Favourites" sign is a head scratcher, isn't it? As far as the Twins Way sign is concerned, that would be an appropriate place for that "BFD."

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 111

The simple fact is if you wanted opening day tickets you had 4 options. 1) Buy a full season ticket plan 2) Buy tickets off stub hub or from scalper 3) Get lucky in the drawing 4) Do what I did and purchase my flex 40 plan prior to the 2009 season. I live 3 hours away but have had my flex 40 package for a couple of seasons now. If you had season tix prior to last season you got the check box on your renewel form for the opportunity to buy 2 opening day tickets. I have been told by a ticket rep that if you met these requirements and have paid your account in full you are in a great position for the two tickets. Also said that exhibition game tickets will be available sometime in February.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:08 AM by IAFan Highlight this comment 112

Hahaha sorry to set you off Winona. Man you are easier to spin up than a top aren't ya?

It's not about putting out of staters in their place. heck it's not about even about out of staters. But the fact is that it is giving some fans an opportunity to go to the game that otherwise might not have been able to. That isn't such a horrible thing is it?

BFD.

And yeah I got some cabin fever. Need to get out of the house soon.

I think they did favourites because sausages are european and it's a more european spelling. I dunno. It's odd to me. I'm not a fan of the colours of the signs either.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 113

This is a pretty funny discussion guys. I mean, you are all beating each other up for the right to attend an outdoor baseball game in April. I a reallly glad we built a roofless stadium, but I am not going there until May.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:26 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 114

DDogg, they signed dear baby jesus way back in December 2008. He's my favourite! Anyone think we should sign Joe Mauer too? I heard he's from St. Paul. Wait, does that mean he has to pay a ballpark tax? wtf?

The bleachers and other obstructed seats should be for people like myself who live outside Hennepin Co.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:29 AM by N.D. Rube (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 115

While I think all fans should have a fair opportunity at tickets for the Inaugural Game, STH's (at least those who had season ticket plans prior to the 2009 season) should at least be given an opportunity to purchase Inaugural game tickets before the general public.

There is no perfect way for the Twins to allocate tickets for this special game and not everyone is going to be happy with the result. In the end, there are only 40,000 seats and its one game.

Do I think STH's should be allowed to purchase "extra" tickets? Absolutely not, because more than likely, they will turn around and sell them. They should only be allowed to purchase as many seats as they have in their plan.

Do I think all STH's prior to the 2009 season should be guaranteed a chance at purchasing inaugural game tickets? Absolutely, the Twins have promoted "Target Field priority" since 2006 as a main benefit to signing up for season tickets. This also eliminates the 8,000+ season ticket holders who "jumped on the bandwagon" following the 2009 season.

I like the idea of the online drawing as it gives EVERY FAN a CHANCE at tickets for the inaugural game.

I just hope the Twins find a way to prevent brokers from buying large chunks of tickets in the online drawing, I don't know if thats possible or not, but that is my hope.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 116

Home with a cold today. Just a little on edge. I am confused by your paragraph,
"It's not about putting out of staters in their place. heck it's not about even about out of staters. But the fact is that it is giving some fans an opportunity to go to the game that otherwise might not have been able to. That isn't such a horrible thing is it?"
Can you elaborate, please? I'm having trouble deciphering your meaning here.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 12:01 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 117

DVS - It was no slight against your education level, more of a commentary on some of the uneducated arguments others have posted on this board.

My econ classes were a blast in college. I learned quite a bit of stuff in the advanced level courses...

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 12:28 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 118

Mike,

I know it is not going to happen but 81 gamers should have the right to buy extra tickets. I'm sure the Twins are smart enough to know that more than 90% the people who have the 81 game packs are groups. People with 81 games should have the same chance as any 20-40 gamers to get extra tickets.

Yes, if you have 20-40 games that is what your asking for extra ticekts.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 12:34 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 119

Watching "September to Remember", they are now on 163, still one of the best baseball games i have ever been to! Anyway back to the outstate vs Henn County debate.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 12:53 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 120

So, does a ticket to Opening Day also get you into heaven? Did I miss a memo? What's the BFD?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 1:08 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 121

Joe, I agree to an extent, but when do you draw the line? If you have only a 2-3 people in your "group" I understand, but what if you have 5-6 people on your group? I do not think all 5 or 6 people should be entitled to inaugural game tickets, because while you are calling yourself a "full season" holder, the reality is, you are only going to or 12-18 games depending on how many are in your group and so on.

If you are part of a full season 81 game group, than you know you might not get the Inaugural game, or Yankees, Red Sox, etc unless you are the actual account holder.

I am in a group for the Vikings and I know that I might not get the best games because we draft our games. Everyone wanted the GB game this year, but in the end, only one person in the group was able to go to that game.

That is just what happens with groups who purchase season tickets. Unless you are the actual account holder, there are no guarantees.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 1:12 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 122

"People with 81 games should have the same chance as any 20-40 gamers to get extra tickets."

People with 81 game packages automatically get OD tickets in their regular seats. STH in "lesser" pre-2009 packages have a guarantee of a seat somewhere based on priority. All others - INCLUDING "GROUP" MEMBERS - are basically general public and have a shot at the lottery. Does this not pretty much sum things up?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 1:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 123

I am going to opening day. Do you know why? I purchased a full season ticket last September. I did this for only one reason, so I would be guaranteed to go to opening day. I paid for these tickets by spending every Saturday in Sept and Oct and almost every Sunday either reffing youth football games or youth baseball games.

Originally I was going to just get a 20 or 40 game plan but then it dawned on me, this wouldn't guarantee that I would be at opening day which was very important to me. For you 40 game ST Holders, if going to opening day is important, maybe the Twins would allow you to upgrade to a full season before OD tickets go on sale to the public.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 1:30 PM by Bob323STH Highlight this comment 124

I will be at OD either way, its just that when I bought my ST last fall, I was told that "I would most likely have a greater chance of getting OD tix with a 20GM plan than the general public, which turned out to be a lie. I'll buy the Field View off stubhub if need be to get to the game.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 1:34 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 125

Ben,

You did sum it up nicely as to how it is going to be. But, that is not how I think it should be. I will be at the game. I just feel bad for the people who spent a lot of money joing a group and have little to no chance at getting tickets and a person who has a low priced 20 game pack gets to go.

I dont think that everyone who joined a group should get to go. I just think that they should have the same chance as someone who has a 20-40 game pack.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 1:53 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 126

Chill Jimmer,

How is that a lie?

"Most likely" = "Maybe not"

We get that you're mad, but the point I think everyone is trying to make is that there were (maybe there still are?) ways of DEFINITELY increasing your chances of getting opening day tickets. Seems to me that you took the lowest cost/highest risk option and it didn't work out. May I politely suggest that you get over it?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 127

Joe117 ---

If group members were granted the opportunity to purchase OD tickets that would be the same, essentially, as allowing full STH to purchase extra tickets. Either way it would diminish, perhaps to a great extent, the tickets available to partial STH. I, for instance, have been a partial STH since 2006 (and a loyal fan since DAY ONE) - no big deal but a fact. So, who is more deserving of the opportunity to purchase OD tix --- a partial STH of more than just recent vintage or a "bandwaggoner" who jumped into someone's group last September? The Twins have to line people up SOMEHOW and I am not unconvinced that they have chosen a fair and effective way. Some folks are going to be disappointed or miffed no matter what but is there a better way?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:14 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 128

Ben,

What you want is "extra" tickets to OD. You paid for 20 games that did not include OD tickets. I just think that 81 gamers should have the same chance at "extra" tickets as 20-40 or at least before the general public.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 129

The only better way I can think of is the following:

If there are 10,000 tickets available to opening day split them into two groups of 5,000 tickets;

Partial STHers (and possibly FULL STHers) can enter the drawing for this group of 5,000 tickets.

The second group of 5,000 tickets is available to the general public including STHers and Partial STHers.

This would satisfy both concerns and would be equitable to all.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM by Bob323STH Highlight this comment 130

Here's my solution:

The Twins hold a drawing of 10,000 tickets at the DOME. There is 1 entrance and exit. As people enter for a cost of $20, they are given a complementary hatchet, pick-axe or butchers knife. All attendees are then told the tickets are hidden randomly through the Metrodome, and that if they can get out of the building with as many as they can find, they go to Opening Day. Chaos and bloodsport ensues!

Here's the bonus: The Twins make it a Pay-per-view event! They make a boatload of money! That's doing things "the Twins Way"!

See you suckers on Opening Day.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 131

The Strib’s Twins guy just posted something intriguing….

We received an e-mail tip today that a Chicago radio station is reporting that Jim Thome will sign with the Twins by day's end.

I called a Twins official, expecting to hear that this is totally far-fetched, and turns out they do have real interest in Thome and haven't ruled out their chances of signing him. Probably not today, mind you, but it's getting late in the offseason and the prices for free agents are falling fast.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 132

Why didn't we sign this guy when he wanted to come here 5 years ago? Now we're going after Thome once he's at the end of the line?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:48 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 133

Hate all you want but i have "LOW LEVEL" 20 game pack and have had it for 3 years now...i will get OD tickets , i could have went in witha bunch of people for a full season but for one i used my frickin brain and knew whoever has the acct controls everything and gets all the perks which include od tickets... and also i bought what i could afford, they are mine, and i have enjoyed them in past years and will this year.. no need to feel sorry for a member of a group of sth cuz they cant get od tickets.. they are owed nothing from the twins.. it is between them and the acct holder they deal with..

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 134

Mazaratirick

I would have done the same thing to get OD tickets provided I didn't have to watch 20 games in the dome for the past three years. The Twins obviously took pity on all partial STHers in the Dome and allowed them to purchase OD for outdoor baseball ahead of everyone else. I get it now. You should be allowed to push the button when they finally implode the thing.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM by Bob323STH Highlight this comment 135

I agree Ben and Maz, I could have joined a full season group as well but decided to do the "LOW LEVEL" 20 game plan. I bet we pay just as much, if not, more for our 20 game plans than some of those "group members" in a full season group.

I just don't think a "group member" of a full season group (and most likely, a "Target Field bandwagonner") should get the opportunity BEFORE a partial plan holder, in particular, partial plan holders prior to the 2009 season.

I paid a lot of money for my partial plan to watch baseball in the Metrodome over the last couple years to get this opportunity in April. I do not think a "Target Field bandwagonner" should be ahead of me in line just because he is a "member" of a full season "group" for Target Field.

As Ben said, if you are not an actual account holder, than you are essentially considered general public regardless of the group/ticket plan you are part of.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 3:20 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 136

My goal from the get go was to get Opening Day Tickets to Target Field in 2010. Once I found out that 20 game and 40 game plans were not guaranteed these tickets, I then did the follwoing:

I purchased a 4 ticket Full Season plan. I sold 40 games to someone on craigslist. The other 41 games I split between my fiance and I and 3 other couples. I told the person who bought the 40 games up front that he would not get OD tickets, but if the option was given, I would try to get more for them. So...that leaves how our group is handling opening day amongst ourselves.

This is how were are doing it. When we draft, you can only draft either 2 tickets or 4 tickets to a game, not 1 or 3. Three groups are buying 30 TICKETS (not games) of the total 164 tickets. 1 Group is buying 20 TICKETS. The group buying 20 is automatically out for OD being that he does not have the same dollars invested. (This is a rule I established right away) I (primary STH) am taking 2 of the 4 tickets to OD, due to the money put up front, organizing, etc. So that leaves 2 groups (4 people) left for the other 2 seats for OD. We were just going to draw straws to see what group would get the game. It wasn't necessary as it did not matter to both groups, so a civil concession was made.

Now, in fairness to the 2 groups that will not be going to OD, they will have the 1st and 2nd picks in the draft, with myself and the other group going to OD will have the 3rd and 4th. Yes, this isn't much of a consolation, but it is something.

As far as 2011 goes, I will probably offer opening day to the guy I met on craigslist being that he has the largest investment into the tickets next to myself. 2012 OD will probably go to the 2 groups that I split with that didn't get 2010 OD. Hopefully, we can just keep a cycle like this to keep all things somewhat fair.

I know this is rambling, but I wanted to put an example out there how I was able to get opening day tickets without spending a boat load of cash.

PS. For those of you who did the math, I will have 54 tickets that I will need to sell that will not be drafted by our group. I am offering these to friends and family, and also on Rick TC TRADERS. Section 121, Row 16, Seats 7-10.

PSS. I have a pretty sweet excel spreadsheet worked up for drafting and ticket allocation if anyone else has situations like this. Email me if you want a copy of it, and I can run through with you how it works.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 137

Lots of whining/bitching and moaning as Opening Day on April 12th approaches. I am in the camp of you get what you pay for or are willing & able to pay for. How bad do you want to be there for the Inaugural game? What are you willing to pay? Just like everything in life there is a supply and a demand. The supply will quickly be outstripped by the demand which will drive up the price. Are you willing to meet the price this will equate? If not, you didn't want to attend as badly as the person next to you. Or maybe you can't afford it, we all make sacrifices and decisions of prioritizing what is most important to us in life.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 3:33 PM by Max Highlight this comment 138

McGwire's drug dealer calls him a liar. I'm loving it.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 3:57 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 139

Joe117 ---

81 game STH paid, in part, for OD tickets. 81 game groupies have paid only for some of the 81 tickets and should not be surprised that OD tickets are not made available to them by either the STH or the Twins (who have no idea who or how many of them there are). The Twins have been saying for years that STH will have priority at TF and this situation is merely one manifestation of that priority. Too bad for the groupies but the pickle had to squirt somehow. I, for one, do not feel badly for those who just jumped into a group plan and now think that entitles them to full STH benefits - the simple fact of the matter is that groupies ARE NOT STH.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 4:30 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 140

Winona what I meant was that the twins had a bit of a double edged sword. They asked the public to pay for a stadium and those people should be rewarded somehow if possible. They also have a lot of people that cought tickets that should be rewarded somehow. So they decided that a drawing would be a good way to do it. It's random and it's giving tickets to people that might not have otherwise been able to go.... from both groups. they could have also opened it up to full season 81 gamers and let them take the extras which some people think they should have done. And would have also been fair from some perspectives.

What they did was they allowed even people that don't have season tickets a chance to get to the game and be marketed to. Albeit even at risk of jigglers wrath and not renewing tickets next year... ohhhh noes! Perhaps one of those other people that got to go will pick up his slack.

It's a gesture of goodwill and a balancing act of kindness. I'm sure that the Twins didn't think that people would be filling their pampers over it.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 141

As Kojack would say, Chill Baby!! 79 days to go!! 79 DAYS

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 5:21 PM by hans Highlight this comment 142

79 Days everybody!!

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM by hans Highlight this comment 143

Ben,

Why do you see people in groups as bandwagon jumpers who have just jumped on board. I lot of the groups are families who have had the tickets in family for a long time.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 5:24 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 144

Joe117 ---

I only use the bandwaggoners as an example of one type of groupie (although I think many perhaps are Johnnie-come-lately types given the explosion in ST sales) - and apologize if you feel aspersions have been cast your way. But, the fact remains that groupies ARE NOT STH and, at least the way the Twins are forced to look at it, enjoy no special status other than as a member of the general population. If I buy one ticket to one game from a STH am I entitled to butt in line for OD tix?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 5:43 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 145

On Web cam #1 the outline of the infield can be seen under the snow. On web #2 zoom in on the first deck concourse, you can see some concession stand windows and get an idea just how wide they are. Also, the Met club is ablaze.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 6:56 PM by hans Highlight this comment 146

Oops, I mean how wide the concourse is

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 6:57 PM by hans Highlight this comment 147

Sorry...Double Oops: Met club ablaze in light

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 6:59 PM by hans Highlight this comment 148

Ben,

I never said that every person in a group should get OD tickets. I said that everyone should have the same chance at extra tickets. I am sorry that you think a person with a 20 game pack should get 21 games and a person with 81 games should only get 81 games.

I am saying that you should get what you paid for and then put all STH and 20-40 game packs into the same pool for extra tickets to OD. Yes, people with 20-40 packs are getting extra tickets if they get tickets to OD.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 149

I can't wait for OD just so I don't have to hear anymore complaining about OD. And the odds are that it rains or we lose 7-2.

K

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 8:49 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 150

BFD... If you are interested in being part of the audience for the Joe Mauer "Homecoming" register here. The event happens Wednesday, January 27th at 7 pm. Shuttles run from the state fair grounds to Cretin between 5 and 6:30 as there is to be no parking at the High School. If selected you can receive up to two invites (yourself and another). You may be selected. Meaning not all who enter will receive an invite. But I'm sure those wearing BallparkMagic shirts will receive preferential treatment!

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 8:53 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 151

Joe117 ---

There are benefits to be enjoyed (and/or taken advantage of) as a STH - regardless of "level" as STH status. The opportunity to purchase OD tickets is one of them. I did not make the rules. What you are saying essentially is that full season STH should be allowed to purchase extra OD tickets. I feel that is less fair than the current parameter.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 8:53 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 152

A press release for a street sign? Jim Thome? Um...Billy...BILLY!! Jim Thome was desirable when we played in the dome, given his career stats there. I'm actually looking more forward to the D-Bags than the Twins this spring....PATHETIC!

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 8:57 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 153

Ben,

That is what I am saying. A true SEASON ticket holder has less benefits than a person who has a partial plan. A person who has a partial plan gets the opportunity to buy tickets that are not part of their plan. The STH does not.

But I guess your 20 game pack makes you a true fan and my 81 games makes me a bandwagon jumper who is just trying to make a profit off my tickets.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 9:32 PM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 154

All STH plans have their pros and cons. And "groupies" are valuable members of a season ticket account. They help finance it and are willing to accept lack of ultimate control in return for less responsibility and risk. Trosy has the right idea. Compensation and trade-offs. If the account holder is somehow able to get extras, fine. Otherwise, some members may not care, others will accept an extra Yankee game, or next years home opener. We also have an All-Star game in our future. I can imagine the arguments then. Maybe Jones this year gets the Inaugural and his partner, Smith gets first shot at the All-Star game a few years from now. An incentive to stay a "groupie". For those who don't get the opener but really, really want it, maybe they can sell half a dozen of their games and use the proceeds/savings to buy OD tix from someone who puts a higher value on the cash than the tickets.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 9:36 PM by robin Highlight this comment 155

Any STH get your Twinsfest tickets yet?

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 9:54 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 156

rick - where is the "night theme" in the background of the site? it is well past sunset! ;-)

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:11 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 157

ha! so it looks like the white sox are now getting a little worried about the potential of jim thome joining the twins. apparently they are now "reconsidering" life without jim thome.

click my name for the link to the chicago sun-times story.

just like those pathetic, d-bag white sox....always piddling down their legs at the sight or thought of the twins.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 158

Less than 70 days till exhibition baseball at TF!

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:16 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 159

Yeah beta, i saw on mlbtraderumors that the sox were now interested as well...

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:17 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 160

I don't understand why anyone thinks someone who is part of a group should have any more rights/access to OD tickets than Joe Public. Those in my group knew before 2009 started that I would keep my tickets for TFOD and no one had a problem with that. I do believe that partial plan holders should have the right to buy tickets before Joe Public - as others have said, that is a "perk" of being an account holder.

There is no way the Twins could (or should) get involved with what are called "groupies" in this thread. Twins marketing made it pretty clear in their marketing that if you purchased a 2009 (or prior) partial plan, you as the account holder were going to get a shot at TFOD tickets. I'm sure some of those people bought plans JUST to be able to get TF priority and the chance at opening day. If the plans are now that "all those folks just get an entry in the lottery" (and since the Twins have been very mum about this and every rep has a different story), than that's just wrong.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:35 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 161

Full STH with no Twinsfest tickets here yet...Most likely tomorrow or Monday.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:35 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 162

Let it be night! (I feel powerful right now.)

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM by Rick 163

And it was good.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 10:48 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 164

are the topiaries (sp?) lit up purple tonight?! if so...thats freakin sweet. GO VIKES

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:03 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 165

Anybody who doesn't think there's still a caste system in this country should read the privileged rants in this forum. Just sickening how those with money can find stupid things to complain about.

Posted on January 22, 2010 at 11:32 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 166

Buffalo that is harsh. I don't think people take anything personally and I don't see any problem with people trying to give their side.

I know most people don't agree with my take on OD tickets and that is fine. i don't think people are trying to say they are any better than anyone else based on the plan they have. I would think that most people are probably spending about the same. Some have there own 20 games and others have 20 with a group.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 12:00 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 167

"But I guess your 20 game pack makes you a true fan and my 81 games makes me a bandwagon jumper who is just trying to make a profit off my tickets."

Joe117 ---

I don't want to get into deductive syllogisms here - let's just say that your reasoning is faulty, or at least frail to the point of being moribund. Participation in any given level of STH-dom has nothing to do with the degree to which one might consider himself, or be considered by others, to be a "fan" - to think otherwise is completely ludicrous. If STH were "true fans" there would not be several hundred OD tickets available on Stubhub as I write. And, if you really are a 81 game STH ("my 81 games") your OD tickets are on the way shortly and you have nothing to whine about.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 12:21 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 168

Hey Buffalo, how's the NFL playoffs going for you? Haha that's what I thought. I wish you would move to Wisconsin and become a Brewers fan.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 02:13 AM by Vikes Highlight this comment 169

Ah, a Vikings fan with nothing valuable to add to the conversation. Never seen that before. Ignore.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 03:28 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 170

I think only those that have had season tickets since 1960 in Washington, then moved to Minnesota and have had them since, should get to go to OD.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 06:50 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 171

Ben,

I am going to the game and cant wait. I don't think that I'm complaining. Just trying to show my side.

I don't blame people if they want to sell their OD tickets. You have a chance at paying off a nice chunk of your overall cost. I don't think that makes you any less a fan.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 09:07 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 172

FYI - the red portions of the signs designating the gates light up at night.

Also, has anyone seen the bar area Metropolitan Club all lit up? Looks great.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 09:53 AM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 173

Some STH sell OD (and other) tickets to reduce their overall LC on the games they do not sell - the ideal, I suppose, would be to attend all the games they really want to see (weekends, certain teams, etc.) at little or no cost. Other STH have no intention of attending games. I have no quarrel with the former. As far as "true fan" --- "true believers" do not necessarily attend church regularly, or at all. I know a guy who can instantly quote you Dan Dobbek's OBP off the top of his head - he has never seen a baseball game in his life.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 10:12 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 174

I agree Ben. There are a lot great fans that just listen to the radio.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 175

Joe i respect your point...and this is just a convo buffalo nobody is getting pissy here.. dump or no dump i have had some fun in that dome for one reason, The Twins! i love ballparks but my love for the Twins exceeds that love so of course i will buy tix for the dome... im pretty sure that is the most common used excuse for people when they say they cant get to a game this year cuz they were not "willing" to be STH prior to 2008. i respect that but now you want to be and thats where Ben is saying the term "Bandwagon" sounds pretty spot on to me.

if you dont go to games you can be a true fan, but if you never went to games in the past but now want to plop down 400 bucks a tix for OD tix @ TF then that aint right... stay home with your button up and cell phone talking behind homeplate! you just want to be there for the "it" factor... i spent my life in the dome... i have earned this

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 176

Good one Linc!! ;)

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 11:09 AM by hans Highlight this comment 177

i agree with Maz. I usually work 2nd shift, so there is a lot of games i couldn't go to, doesn't make me a bad fan. I tried to make it to games but work schedule didn't allow me. But i always would listen to the games at work on the radio.

I only kinda do agree that it's not right to have not gone to many games but now getting season tickets may not be right,but on the other hand, it could of been the venue. I admit there was times [after finally seeing a baseball game in a real baseball stadium,]that i was like "i'm done with the Dome and all it's imperfections." i ended up eaten those words and going anyway, because i love my twins too much to stay away. But i'm sure they're may be some who were truly felt that way about the dome, and now that we have this stadium are willing to go. What im trying to say is, maybe not going to many games at the dome and now getting season tickets may look bad, maybe they have their reasons. ok im done ha

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 11:56 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 178

Well, the people and/or "fans" who avoided the Dump are another group I have no quarrel with, although I really think it's used more often as an excuse than as a well reasoned argument. But I also feel that there is now a "new fan", if you will. This is not a bad thing, or at least not necessarily a bad thing. But it is clear, at least to me, that a not inconsiderable % of these "new fans" are not fans at all and are motivated by something other that a desire to attend baseball games. Then there are the "bandwaggoners", at least some of whom who, again in my view, are more or less just into what used to be called a "be in" and will be elsewhere once the novelty (or the team's success) goes south. It's not like we just yesterday learned that there was going to be a new park and priorities would pertain. I'm going to quit pussy footing around here and state flat out that, in my opinion, the folks I call "groupies" - those who jumped in late and now feel they are, or should be, entitled to the same chance at OD tix as those who have played the game (so to speak) as the Twins first suggested a few years ago - should go find themselves some salt to pound. Have I made myself clear enough?

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 179

I've been a Twins fan for almost all of my 50 years (moved here when I was five). Remained a fan through 19 years of living in Michigan and Ohio. When I returned here 18 years ago after 5 years of glorious outdoor baseball in Cincinnati (despite it being at Riverfront Stadium) going into the Metrodome after growing up at Met Stadium was hell. I vowed to never purchase a ticket to the Dome and never have. I've gone to a few games a year when offered tickets (usually through work). I have happily purchased my first season ticket (20 game) and am deliriously excited about Target Field. So some apparently consider me a "bandwagon" fan, but they are obviously more interested in looking down on others in order to feel superior than having a coherent conversation on the hideousness of said Metrodome for baseball. I can live with that.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 180

91-game 6 is on Mlb network right now.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 1:02 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 181

There is no such thing as a "bandwagon" fan who grew up at the Met. Not possible. I can completely understand someone avoiding the Dump regardless of what was going on inside. The Vikings have not gotten one cent of my money since the days I used to almost literally freeze my ass off watching them.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 1:15 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 182

...and badj, what i am refering to and what you are seem like two diff anamials... not the same.. im 34 so i never was able to see the met.. and i have spent the better part of the last 10 years searching for all things met stadium related, thats when i stumbled onto ricks met site in 2002.. and they was like finding a million dollars to me... since then i have taken road trips everywhere possable withing driving distance to watch outdoor baseball and following the twins(mill,kc,stl,chi)and now i get to go to TF, on OD no doubt! lol

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 183

Oh and i am not looking down on anyone... im unemployed after being laid off last summer, i paid for my tickets with my 401k cash out.. so im sure most of you are more well off than me..but i will be damned if i dont take my kids to the ballgame on a regular basis, my dad never took me or maybe i would have seen the met when i was my sons age.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 1:33 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 184

Watching this replay of game 6 furthers my belief that Tim McCarver should NEVER call another WS game again. He's horrible. Anyone know when Fox's deal MLB is over so I don't have to hear him and the self-righteous Buck?

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 185

We'll assume you're refering to Joe Buck, right?

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 186

Anybody think that Joe Buck looks a little bit like David Hyde Pierce (aka Niles Crane)?

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 187

I noticed on MBA's latest picture slide show there was a picture of the administration offices taken from the first base side of the stadium. Along one the ceiling of the concourse level are six dark circles. Retired numbers?

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM by BB Highlight this comment 188

Yes, Joe. Jack is legendary. Joe is not.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 189

BB - That is my only thought regarding the circles. There is Oliva, Killebrew, Puckett, Hrbek, Carew, and Jackie Robinson.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 4:46 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 190

Joe is an idiot, but so were the TBS guys. I can't stand listening to Joe with Troy Aikman for football either as the commentary seems to always be anti-Vikings biased

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 5:23 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 191

This is not Target Field related, but I was at my first Wolves game last night in over four years and noticed none of the concessions at Target Center offered tap beer. Is this something new or does anyone know why you cannot buy tap beer at Target Center?

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 192

I can't stand Tim McCraver's Mets/Yankees bias that's constantly on display. Anytime he says something good about a player, he has to balance that with a favorable comparison to one of the Yankees, whether he's calling a game involving the Yankees or not.
He also has that slow, deliberate cadence to his speech that drives me nuts. He has a brother Tim who speaks with a normal cadance, so I have to winder if it's the result of too many foul tips to the mask.

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 8:07 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 193

In English we say, "wonder," not "winder."

Posted on January 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 194

Anyone following the twins should not be surprised by them going after Thome since they have pretty much said they are looking for what they think is a good veteran player that could possibly be had on the cheap. But as history has shown us many times already that line of thinking the twins have went nowhere. I thought with the new stadium the old line of thinking was going to change. Guess old habits die hard.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 02:15 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 195

WELL...SORRY TO SAY, BUT IF YOU CAN'T SUPPORT YOUR TEAM BECAUSE OF THEIR VENUE THEN YOU SUCK. IT'S LIKE NOT LOVING YOUR MOM BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A TRAILER.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 03:10 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 196

More drunken posts!!!

Nicely done, Leroy and Jim... clearly drunk, but just coherent enough to make us all think/laugh. Excellent.

Where is Maz on this fine early morning?

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 03:16 AM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 197

They are playing '91 game 7 again....lovin' the replays of this..................tipsy....

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 04:32 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 198

From Mr. Walters at the Pioneer Press

"The Twins have given each of their corporate sponsors, luxury suite owners and Champions Club members a detailed replica model of Target Field."

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 09:39 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 199

Thome would be a good addition to the bench. Who would you rather see at the plate as a pinch hitter in a key situation. Tyner, Tolbert or thome.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 10:20 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 200

Jim mixed some Jagermeister in his Twins Koolaid last night. You can absolutely support a team without supporting all of their stupid decisions. I realize it is hard to understand in our overcommercialized culture, but not all emotion can be measured in dollars. You can even support your mom without approving of or visiting her in her trailer. Sometimes the county will even step in and help buy her a new house! Then we are all happy!

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 201

margaret thatcher, I was not drunk when I posted that. I was inebriated

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 10:45 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 202

no excused badjuggler, you are just not a dedicated fan or son for that matter

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 10:48 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 203

Click my name for some not-so-friendly comments about TF and our Twins from Ozzie Guillen. What a jackass...

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 11:20 AM by luke Highlight this comment 204

luke,

what did he say that makes him a jackass? he's pointing out what all of us have pointed out for a long time. The Twins are going to have to adjust to the elements. That doesn't make Ozzie Guillen a jackass. The Twins get VERY lucky with SOME players. That doesn't make Guillen a jackass. I'm convinced that Guillen is a closeted Twins fan given that he's obsessed with them.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 11:23 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 205

Who would your rather sign?

Crede -- age 32, career 254 hitter, .225 LY with 15HR.

Thome -- will turn 40 by the end of the season, career 277 hiter, .249 LY with 23HR. The problem with Thome is 123 strikouts last year. That is almost 30% of his plate appearances. He is also a lefty, we need a right hand power hitter, not a poor mans Kubel. (In his prime, he was great, a HOF'er, but at age 40 he is not an upgrade in my mind to Kubel)

Miguel Tejada--36, unlike Crede can still play third base everyday. He hit .313 last year with 14HR. He has had 550 or more plate appearances for the last 11 years. He is a right handed bat, that can play everyday and spell Hardy at short if need be.

Orlando Cabrera--35, .284 LY with 9HR last year. Will he sign with a team to play 3rd base? Seems to be great in the clubhouse. Has always been a winner, good at both the plate and in the field.

A starting pitcher like Washburn?

At this point, I think we can only expect to sign Mauer and then one other acquistion. Although I would like additionall pitching, I think a solid 3rd baseman is more important at this time. I like both Cabrera and Tejada. However I don't know if either will sign to play 3rd base. I think both view themselves as SS and would see 3rd as a demotion. The next hurdle is money. Can we afford either? I think the answer is yes, but then again Billy currently holds the wallet.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 11:30 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 206

Well - the "sardines" crack for one.
And he kinda seems to think that now that we're moving outdoors, we're gonna be like the Twins team in 1982 after they moved indoors, a team that went 60-102, and visiting teams are going to roll all over us.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 11:54 AM by luke Highlight this comment 207

I love Ozzie, but I think the sardines reference was not his finest hour. After all, the Twins are finally out of their can.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 12:02 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 208

minn,

Cabrera at third will never happen. His arm has been somewhat of a question mark in recent years as his defensive skills have started to decline. No way the guy can consistently make plays from 3B.

Thome doesn't make much sense to me for the reasons you listed, and Tejada signed with the Orioles, so that's not happening either. Washburn? Meh. He just isn't [i]that[i] good, and he is injury-prone, so I say pass on him.

I'm hoping that Brenden Harris is given the 3B job (looks like a strong possibility), we sign Orlando Hudson for 2B, and then use Punto as a utility man.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 12:12 PM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 209

that

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 12:13 PM by Margaret Thatcher Highlight this comment 210

Or "That" (L.O.L.) ;)

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 2:11 PM by hans Highlight this comment 211

I was just checking out the side bar of the first new ballpark model,(the one with the retractable dome). What was really dumb about that design is that it would have only been a glorified umbrella. It was patterned after Safeco Field in Seattle and wouldn't have been able to be heated or airconditioned as it wasn't sealed off from the weather. The current version is a much nicer design, and roof or no roof is going to be Awesome!!
We are looking forward to the season,(20 gamer plan & major fan).
WIN TWINS!!!!!!!

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 2:59 PM by hans Highlight this comment 212

"The Twins have given each of their corporate sponsors, luxury suite owners and Champions Club members a detailed replica model of Target Field."

I was wondering if a "mini TF" was in the offing as an inaugural game promo or perhaps this year's STH "gift" - it's ever possible that they might be that generous (with sponsorship, of course). Always a dreamer --- . More likely, a cheesy "opening day" certificate (ala the last game in the dome cert.) and maybe a shot at the "detailed replica model" when they start showing up on the Bay.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 213

So, no model of Target Field for those of us who paid $2k just for the privilege of buying tickets every year in the Legends Club? Pppppfffttttt.

Looks like I won't even get my TwinsFest tickets in time for me to get to TwinsFest this weekend. I've never understood why the Twins have to send everything last minute. But then I can't even get my rep to send me a pocket schedule after asking about six times ...

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 3:56 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 214

(That's $2K per seat!)

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 3:56 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 215

Skol Vikings!

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 216

Skol Vikings!

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 217

jfh -

Click my name to email me directly...I have a couple extra "Winter Edition" pocket schedules I snatched up somewhere - I can mail you a couple.

Let me know.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 218

"I've never understood why the Twins have to send everything last minute."

Agreed, Living "outside " the metro area I get my stuff even later..My 6K in tickets that were paid in full in January 09 got to me 4 days before OD last year..I have a extra 2010 early edition schedule if you want it.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 219

A note on TwinsFest and Target Field:

Among the thing at the Target Field area of TwinsFest will be an inside look at the Metropolitan Club, the Budweiser Deck and Hrbek's. Not sure if we'll see anything more than we have already though.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 7:37 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 220

My TwinsFest tickets came yesterday (Saturday). They're on the way.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 9:28 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 221

.and now you can see the Vikings passing the torch onto the Twins for what will be a beautiful Baseball Season!

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 9:34 PM by Andrew Highlight this comment 222

go vikes!

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 9:44 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 223

Winona.....are you still breathing? I was doing my Fred Sanford impersonation, holding my chest and yelling "I think this is the biggest one I've ever had! You hear that Elizabeth? I'm coming to join you honey!"

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 9:45 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 224

It was nip and tuck, I'll say that. When Favre threw that last interception when he could have legged it a few more yards into field goal range, I knew how it was going to turn out.
So painfully typical.

Vikes=Cubs

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 9:50 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 225

Yup, Favre turned into Favre at the critical point and tossed it away. Inevitable I suppose. I sure hope we're done with him.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 9:53 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 226

somewhere, Fran Tarkenton is smoking a giant black pole in celebration of Favre's demise.

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 9:57 PM by ace Highlight this comment 227

welp 70 days till twin season opener

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 228

Another disappointing finish to a Vikings season....11 weeks from tomorrow (Monday) is the Inaugural Game at Target Field...

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 10:39 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 229

I applaud all of you Twins fans who went to see them on a repeated basis in the Metrodome. Unfortunately I could not do that more than one or two times per year because of my utter hate for the dome. However I am 42 years old and have seen the Twins play in Oakland, Kansas City, Milwaukee (both County Stadium and Miller Park), Dallas (old stadium) and Detroit (both Tiger Stadium and Comerica Park). I have also went to see other MLB teams in Cinci (Riverfront), Wrigley Field, Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, Miami-Dolphin Stadium, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, Camden Yards, San Diego (Qualcom), Dodger Stadium, Coors Field, old Busch Stadium, Cleveland's Jacob's field, San Francisco-AT&T Park, and Phoenix Chase Field as well as about 15 minor league stadiums througout the country (and have paid my own way to all of these places) I have also bought and read books about Colt Stadium (not the Baltimore Colts or Indi Colts), Ebbets Field, the Kansas City A's and their move from Phili to KC's old municipal Stadium, and Shibe Park. I have pictures on my wall at home of old Met Stadium, Crosley Field, and the Polo Grounds in addition to some of the other baseball stadiums I have already mentioned. I was also at game 1 and 2 of the '87 World Series as well as game 7 of the '91 Series (I sold my game 6 tickets for a profit, this probably knocked a few points off of my total for being a valid Twins fan)

If the fact that I have never been a partial season ticket holder at the dome or that I have never attended more than 5 games per year at the dome makes some people think I am a bandwagon jumper because I purchased season tickets for Target Field, then so be it although I thinks it's rather amusing that one would have ANY negative thoughts about someone else's motivation for purchasing tickets to the Twins new ballpark. Whether it is 20 degrees or 70 out, I absolutely can't wait for opening day at Target Field. OUTDOOR BASEBALL AT LAST!!!!

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 11:17 PM by Bob323STH Highlight this comment 230

Anyone else think the refs had a hand in the Vikes' loss?

Posted on January 24, 2010 at 11:29 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 231

not really, the Vikes lost this one fair and square. turned it over too many times.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:01 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 232

jimmer - i will say that it was just a little too convenient that both of those booth reviews went against the vikings in OT. the pass interference call on leber? please! and that was NOT a catch by marcus colston (sp?) in OT. how they did not over-turn that "catch" is absurd. said another way, the saints should have been attempting at minimum a 53/54 yard field goal and not a 41 yard field goal. shoot, they might have even decided to punt instead considering it was third down when that b.s. booth review of the marcus colston non-catch went down.

i will just say one thing. twelve men in the huddle? a player and a coach's head need to roll for that. that was inexcusable.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:01 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 233

Should never have gotten to OT. They got whupped.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:16 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 234

Said even another way - The Saints "should have" never been in a position to benefit from either of those questionable OT calls in the first place, and they "should have" never been in a position to attempt a game-winning FG of any length. Vikes dominated total yardage, time-of possession, had over twice as many 1st downs, and about 1/3 of the Saints' penalty yards. Blame the turnovers, and the turnovers only.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 235

"Shoulds" don't matter now do they?

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 02:57 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 236

Oh well... guess we've all got baseball season to look forward to.. Both those booth reviews were BS. I can see giving that RB the first down if he doesn't momentarily lose the ball in mid air. Colston's catch hit the ground for sure.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 05:38 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 237

Vikings and Packers fans now have a bond that will last forever thanks to #4. Maybe this was part of peace plan on Favre's part to unite two fan bases that can't stand each other in shared agony.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 06:43 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 238

I was hoping this board would be a refuge from the Vikings. I guess that probably doesn't exist anywhere in Minneapolis right now though.

In regard to the Target Center and beer, there is like one stand that has tap beer? They also don't really take credit cards so. They have taps in place at all of the stands, just don't have them hooked up. Don't worry about that at Target Field. The tap beer will be flowing (I could go for about 15 of them right now with how depressed I am about the goddamn Vikings)

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 08:39 AM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 239

It was a catch. The receiver's hand was between the ball and the ground. Plain as day on hi-def.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 09:28 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 240

FCA, the Packers don't have quite the same agony that we do, EVERY Vikings season in their existence has ended in nothing but failure and choking under pressure. I'm only 26, but I doubt I will see them win a Super Bowl in my lifetime. Just like '98, I thought this was our year, but I should have known better.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 09:29 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 241

Winona, you're talking about Meachem in OT? I was quite intoxicated during the game, but it sure looked like it hit turf to those of us at the bar. And we're talking a 15ft projector screen. That Pierre Thomas 1st down was sure BS as he fumbled the ball in midair. They should have marked it where he regained possession.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 09:31 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 242

Well, if we now don't have to put up with "Brett Favre" being printed or spoken every sixth or seventh word every waking moment that will be fine with me.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 09:45 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 243

Well, what's done is done. The Vikes choked it away. A call here or there wouldn't have made too much difference. Fumbles and interceptions did them in, really. And Favre making that stupid throw across his body on the roll-out instead of plowing ahead for a few yeards and then sliding is what lost it. But then, it's easy for us to judge the guy sitting in front of our TVs. We weren't the ones hobbling around on a bum ankle and we didn't get ourselves pummeled the way Favre did. Given his age and the pounding he took, I can't be too harsh on the guy.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 10:22 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 244

Pass interference my foot that ball was not catchable. The refs handed the game to the Saints. Doesnt matter anyways Saints cant beat the Colts.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 245

The refs did not hand the game to the Saints in my opinion. When you put the ball on the ground as much as the Vikings did, specifically two fumbles in the red zone, you are not going to win many games, especially on the road. I instantly thought that first Adrian fumble on the 5 yard would come back to haunt the Vikings, and sure enough it did. They had a chance to go into the half up 3 or 7 following Bush's muffed punt.

The Vikings were fortunate they even had a chance to win that game.

I would have had much more disgust towards the officials had the Vikings not had so many fumbles, but with 6 fumbles and 2 INT's with a -4 turnover ratio, you don't deserve to win the game. Either way its another tough loss to swallow for Vikings fans.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 11:03 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 246

Moving on... I'm disheartened to see the Dome Dog coming to TF. All you're paying for is bun.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 247

I really don't get why people like the Dome Dog. It tastes terrible and is nearly impossible to eat without making a mess.

Could be the name, or the fact that it did appear to represent a better value than the stand-alone hot dog (though it was not).

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 11:19 AM by Rick 248

Perhaps they could rename it. Maybe in honor of the garbage burner they could call it the "Stank Frank."

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 11:21 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 249

Maybe I don't have a great taste for hot dogs but when I compare it to what I received at Kauffman stadium, the dome dog is delicious. The Nathans dog I had at the real Yankee Stadium in 2008 was good but I don't know that I would have put it ahead of the dome dog. Sports Illustrated a couple years ago did a list of best stadium food and the dome dog was considered the best the dome had to offer.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 11:24 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 250

"the best the dome had to offer" isn't saying much.

I had a memorable kosher dog on the south side of Chicago that was among the best ballpark hot dogs I've ever had.

But the Dome Dog's problems aren't just about taste. The damn thing is too big to get a proper bite out of. You end up having to gnaw around it like some sort of gopher.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 11:32 AM by Rick 251

I have to admit, even though the Dome Dog was subpar IMHO, it did sort of reflect its environment: stale, bland and difficult to digest as a baseball purist.

That's why it has no place at TF.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 11:55 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 252

Anyone ever have one of those "jumbo dogs" located at the Brats & Brew concession stands? I think it only cost $6.00 or $6.50.

I never bought dome dogs as they were essentially the same as the $3.50 hot dog except they were a little larger and also included a bag of chips for $4.75. I didn't see the bag of chips worth the extra $1.25.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:09 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 253

Dome dog was no where near as good as the dogs you could pile cheese, sauce, and a pound of other junk on. I can't remember what they were called now. Unfortunately I didn't discover them until the dome's run was almost over.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 254

Mike not sure if we're talking about the same thing or not...

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 255

Twinsfest Tix arrived today...

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:21 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 256

Got my Twinsfest tickets today.. Also got my tickets to Twins @ Red Sox for May 20 at Fenway -- I can't wait.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 257

What about the old Schweigert Tenderbites at the Met? That was a good dog. Seems to me they even carried those for awhile at the Dome in the early days.

I'm still hanging on to the past I know but for a good reason.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM by OldMetFan71 Highlight this comment 258

I don't actually remember what they tasted like, but "Tenderbite" is the best name for a hot dog -- ever.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM by Rick 259

Nothing better than getting a Domedog, get them to put jalepenos on it, fill the tray with ketchup and then dip the chips in it. Hard to maneuver, but definitely a favorite of mine. Glad it is coming over. Wonder if they will still do $1 dog night?

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 12:50 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 260

I think Schweigerts were the ones we got for ten cents each at the fair when I was a kid. Plus all the milk you could drink for another dime. Ah, the good ole days.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 1:52 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 261

Schweigart would be a much better dog partner than Hormel. Oh well. And those Kosher Dogs at Comiskey are absolutely the best.

Alright now I'm hungry.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 2:33 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 262

Ah, the Tenderbites. Delicious.
They used to serve a pretty good steak sandwich at the concession stands at the old Met too. I wonder if a "Murray's Inspired" steak sandwich at ten times the price will be as good. Having never been to Murray's, I have no idea what it might be. I've been to Manny's many times, but I don't recall there being a steak sandwich on their menu. Peryhaps at lunch. I've only been there for dinner.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 2:35 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 263

A polish sausage at Mile High Stadium really hit the spot.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 2:36 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 264

JC Twins,

I think you're referring to the "Top Dog" - there was a stand right at the top of my section at the Dome (120). A little pricy, but they were my favorite - piled with cheese, relish, chili, sport peppers, and tomatos. Might as well have been sold with Prilosec and Beano, but damn were they tasty.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 3:29 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 265

I went to the Top Dog cart at a Vikings game once, and was the only one standing there. The help ignored me. They had some serious banter going on. I walked away. I'll take your word for it on the taste of the dogs there, because on the day I was there, they didn't seem to interested in taking my money.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 4:21 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 266

Mike - I have indeed had a Jumbo Dog or two in my days of going to the Dome. A very tasty piece of sausage if I should say so myself. They are pricey, but well worth it.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 4:49 PM by luke Highlight this comment 267

You obviously had much better service than I. I got none.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 268

Oh man, you think you can't eat a dome dog with grace, try those jumbo top dogs with the works. Impossible!

Seriously tho', those dome dogs are a mediocre sausage product, but the worst are the dried out buns. I am hoping that modern food service products can find something that keep the buns fresher. I thought I also read that the sausages are going to come off the grill, not be pre-wrapped in the warmers. I would very much approve of that.

How about just a good brat and our version of secret stadium sauce? If you are going to do a good hot dog, at least find one with natural casing so we get a little snap to them.

While I appreciate those that bring their own food in, good ballpark food is fun! Since I haven't had any here (well, the cheese steaks were passable), I'm looking forward to the selection.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 5:11 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 269

Fest tickets have arrived - today must be the day.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 5:16 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 270

Update from my rep on how Opening Day ticket sales to partial plan holders will be handled - supposedly just out of a meeting today.

Those 20/40 game plan holders on board before the cut off date last year (don't remember when that was and didn't ask) will be given an opportunity in early/mid February to purchase tickets ONLINE ONLY, max of 1 seat per seat in plan. There will be notification both by mail and e-mail. THE TWINS WILL NOT ASSIGN TICKETS TO YOUR ACCOUNT. Account holders will be provided a timed window (sounds like how they did seat selection) and may purchase any available tickets (not restricted to the price level of your plan).

This will be a separate event from the public lottery that has been discussed - there will be a public lottery and that may even happen before this partial plan holder event, though apparently if so, the "better" seats will be blocked off for the partial plan holders. (Which I guess makes sense, since they know EXACTLY how many OD seats need to be reserved for those that purchased partial plans before the deadline).

I guess what bothers me most is that they are only having the meetings today to tell the staff how OD is going to work. I suspect this also means that the tickets will be more expensive, as I'm sure all the junk fees for ordering online will be applied.

So - if you are partial plan holder - look for a letter or an email in the next couple weeks with details.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 6:15 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 271

Linc - I think I read somewhere that hot dogs are Delaware North's specialty.
To quote their website: "Our designs feature display cooking in permanent and portable concession locations wherever possible. In fact, we were the first concession provider to cook hotdogs on a grill for our guests to see. "

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 6:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 272

yay twinsfest tickets! the top dog is worth the money but last time the bun was hard and that sucks when u eat a dog...i looove the stadium sauce from mill i still have 2 bottles in my cabnet i picked up last year...

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 7:04 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 273

MORE FOOD TALK!

Thanks for that quote, Luke. I knew I had seen that somewhere.

For those of you that have taken various tours -- is the upper concourse reasonably well served by concessions? Sometimes the upper deck (where yes, I'll be) is not as well represented by concessions as the more wealthy lower deck. In that vein, have they announced a policy about going between the upper and lower decks, or from the main grandstand to the outfield, etc.? I hope we are allowed to wander.

Other food related questions if anyone has heard -- will the full service restaurants be open during the game? Will we be able to get a juicy lucy out of the Town Hall Tavern to go? Will anyone serve a brunch on Sundays? And, will the Metropolitan Club have any food service? It looks like there will be a buffet there, which I'm sure will be overpriced (but I'll try it a couple of times anyway).

I'm looking forward to having dinner at the park before games occasionally, especially if the Metropolitan Club has sit down food service and I can watch the crowd build in the plaza. I think that will be fun.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 7:11 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 274

It is my understanding that the Metropolitan Club will have two reserved seatings. One an hour and a half before game time and another at game time. Yes, it will be a buffet. It is also my understanding that the Metropolitan Club is exclusive to season ticket holders. It was discussed earlier here, and I would like to know the answer - does that mean a season ticket for the game will get you access or is a season ticket holder ID card required?

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 8:03 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 275

Below is from La Velle's blog over at the Star Tribune. How about we all chip in so that Rick can win the Target Field tour with La Velle at the silent auction?

Now it's time for a shameless plug: The Fifth Annual Diamond Awards takes place at 7 p.m. Thursday at the Minneapolis Hilton.

It's an annual gathering of like-minded individuals to talk baseball, have a good meal and raise money for neurological research at the University of Minnesota. There's a silent auction before the banquet with a lot of great items to bid on (including a chance to follow me around the ballpark for a day). We'll hand out awards from the 2009 season - Joe Mauer, Joe Nathan, Denard Span, Jose Mijares, Michael Cuddyer and other players will be on hand - and look ahead to the 2010 season. The Diamond Awards will be televised at a later date on FSN,

There will be a lot of talk about the opening of Target Field (photo, right, courtesy of David Joles). In fact, I know that a Target Field presentation is on the script! Heard last week that the final seat count will end up just under 39,500.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 8:05 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 276

The Dome Dog is a sorry excuse for a hot dog. Anybody who thinks that is a good hot dog I feel sorry for. I hope they let that one die with the move to Target Field.

Although that Chicago dog they offered at the Top Dog stand was damn good, but still there are better Chicago dogs offered around the Twin Cities.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 9:38 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 277

As much as I personally dislike Chase Field, there's one thing I love and I wish TF would adopt such a concession stand. It's called "taste of the majors" where they serve what other ballparks are known for. They have the garlic Parmesan cheese fries from SF Giants (my personal favorite!), the philly cheesesteak from the Phillies, the double bacon cheeseburger from houston, the chicago dog, the Cincinnati dog, etc...

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 10:16 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 278

I changed the words of the "people will come ray" speech form Field of dreams to fit Target field:
Ray, people will come, Ray. They'll come to Minnesota (INSTEAD OF IOWA) for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your downtown Minneapolis (INSTEAD OF YOUR DRIVEWAY), not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at the ticket window (INSTEAD OF YOUR DOOR) door as innocent as children, longing for the past. "Of course, we won't mind if you have a look around," you'll say. "It's only twenty dollars per person." They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it; for it is money they have and peace they lack.

And they'll walk out to the bleachers, and sit in shirt-sleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game, and it'll be as if they'd dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick, they'll have to brush them away from their faces.

People will come, Ray.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again. Oh, people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come.

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 10:20 PM by sam Highlight this comment 279

Man, it's like a sausage fest in here!

Posted on January 25, 2010 at 10:32 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 280

" --- 20/40 game plan holders on board before the cut off date last year --- will be given an opportunity in early/mid February to purchase tickets --- "

I wonder if they plan to go through the 40 gamers first or just lump all partial plan types together and prioritize by how long they have been STH. There could, presumably, be some pretty good seats available unless they have been completely sold out to full STH. My guess is that it will be down to the dregs (if there is such a thing at the new park) by the time fairly recent 20 game STH get to pick. And, all the fees really are a PITA - buying sports tickets is getting to be like a trip to the car dealer - why not just be upfront about it?

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 08:32 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 281

Top Dog it is, thanks for helping, it was driving me nuts. It was an Angus dog, so tasted way better than a Dome Dog.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 08:37 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 282

I really wonder what that cutoff date was. I didn't purchase my plan until like August of this year so I doubt that I qualify but then again it would be nice to know! There is so much dis-information, and the season ticket brokers sure don't go out of there way to contact you. On top of that, everytime I contact them they make it seem like I am hassling them.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 08:46 AM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 283

"White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen told veteran slugger Jim Thome he won't be asked to rejoin the team as a designated hitter.

Thome, who played three-plus seasons with the White Sox before he was traded to the Dodgers on Aug. 31, was interested in returning to Chicago.

General manager Ken Williams gave Guillen the final call on the move, and Guillen decided he couldn't give Thome enough at-bats to justify bringing him back."

I hope we come to the same decision. We don't need another left-handed bat. Let's address one of the holes we have. 3rd, 5th starter, 2nd and a backup outfielder that can DH when Kubel takes a day off or has a tough matchup. Athough Thome has the name recognition to get the casual fan excited, he is not the player he once was and is currently not the type of player we need on our roster.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 09:50 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 284

"Thome has the name recognition to get the casual fan excited, he is not the player he once was"

Throw in "over-priced" and it sounds like the recipe for a "Twins way" deal to me...

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 09:55 AM by Rick 285

Forget Thome, sign Hudson 3/21M and be done.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:17 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 286

If they the Twins go after and get Thome I will not watch another Twins baseball game this year. That would be the straw that broke the camels back. The Twins need to get away from this idea that these ols players still have something left and can benefit the team. Most of the last players they got like that didnt even last till the end of the season. I mean do the Twins want a short term fix all the time or are they someday going to look for something long term. Thome at 40 is not A long term fix. Smolts has name recognition too I am surprised the Twins have not been looking at him I think hes still available is he not.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:27 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 287

Also wondering why in press releases they keep mentioning the stadium is going to seat 40,000 plus fans when we know that is not the case. Latest count from what I heard puts it at about 39,500 seats. And how many of those seats are really usable we all know that most stadiums these days have a seat or two that are there but you just would not want to sit in them no matter what the price.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 288

Trosy has the right idea.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 289

Because its easier to say 40,000 rather than 39,479...just my opinion. But yes, they can say it will seat just under 40,000 or 39,479 to be exact. (whatever the exact capacity ends up being)

I just don't see why the Twins need Thome. Kubel had a tremendous year last year as our every day DH, in addition to filling in in the outfield at times. I don't see why the Twins need, yet another, left-handed bat with limited options in the field. There is just no where to put Thome other than occassionally fill in at 1B, something which Cuddyer can do.

This is classic "Twins way" in going after players 5-8 years too late. They should have went after Thome in 2005 following his stint in Philadelphia.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 11:34 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 290

TTH haha! ain't it tho!

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:05 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 291

DVS2008 - I'm pretty sure the cutoff date for the guarantee was sometime in Spring 2009.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:13 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 292

Why in the heck has there not been a picture update from the Twins in about 2 and half months? Yes, there has been press releases on food, water recycling, uniforms, and other a few other things, but not no new pictures. If my memory serves my correctly, the Mets and the Yankees had 2 picture updates a month during the final months prior to opening day at their new ballpark along with allowing multiple blogs to post new photos almost on a weekly basis. Come on Twins!!! Rant over.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:15 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 293

Ben - I agree with you - if they order it like they did for relocation (by plan type and account priority), there could be some decent seats available for partial plan holders. Even if there are 20K FSE now (or close), I have to believe that there aren't more than 11-12K full season plan holders, so that leaves over 20K seats available for opening day.

But it's just plain silly that there is so much misinformation out there - they should have told ALL season ticket plan holders how Opening Day was going to work MONTHS AGO and IN WRITING.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 294

Jeff - that was a rhetorical question, right? We are talking about the Twins here.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:19 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 295

If you take Leroy's rant and exchange the words "Vikings" and "Favre" for "Twins" and "Thome" you get a compelling argument to help another team in town solve one of their personnel dilemmas for 2010.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:28 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 296

I too think acquiring Thome would be a poor move. It would be pretty interesting though, maybe even fun, seeing how they spin it.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:36 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 297

NOt exactly washed up.

Thome's 118 OPS+ would have been 5th on the Twins last year and he doesn't have nearly the platoon split that Kubel does. If they sign him to DH full time and platoon Young and Kubel in LF (and I don't think Kubel hurts you any more out there than Young does - faint praise, I know), then it makes the team better.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:40 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 298

Heard back on a few preliminary questions from my friend's sister (they dodged a lot of the interesting questions, as usual). There will be no troughs in the mens bathrooms in TF. Aparently they are no longer sufficient with code. They also are for sure doing fireworks every game. Not sure if that is for home runs or just post games.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 12:49 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 299

It looks like the Twins will host a Sunday Night Baseball game on ESPN for 2nd consecutive year on Memorial Day weekend.

The early editions of the pocket schedule (from September) showed a 1:10 game time, now the latest "winter edition" shows a 7:05 start time for Sunday, May 30.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:03 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 300

I also noticed they moved several Saturday games from 6:10pm to 3:10pm, including the Brewers.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:06 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 301

This is supporting evidence to Mikes post about the May 30th game.

Click for link.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:12 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 302

I am waiting patiently for a press release from the Twins about the urinals in the men's bathroom. Maybe they will think of something clever like bringing back the exact urinals from the old Met. I heard that they had tracked them down to a landfill in West Central Wisconsin and are trying to get through government red tape to excavate and bring life back to them.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:24 PM by Bob323STH Highlight this comment 303

Bob - Are you serious? I hope not.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 304

No Troughs is great, but what about the stalls. Has anybody heard how many will be in each R.Rm? (Hopefully more than the pathetic "one per R. Rm" @ the Dome)

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM by hans Highlight this comment 305

I think Bob is channelling The Truth Hurt's sarcasm!

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:39 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 306

I know D.St Peter is probably a pretty busy guy... but Dec. 14 was his last Blog entry. If it wasn't for this site, we would all be starved for info.

Thanks Rick!!

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 2:44 PM by hans Highlight this comment 307

Not sure why people would hate a Thome deal so much. Who do the Twins have as a power threat off the bench right now? Who did they have last postseason when they needed the big hit?

Last season, Thome hit .249 with 23 homeruns and 77 RBI. He won't play in the field, but he'd help the fourth OF situation. When there is a righty on the mound, the Twins could potentially slide Thome to DH, Kubel to LF and Young to the bench.

Furthermore, Thome is above-average against righties. Last season he posted a .881 OPS against RHP. For comparison, Morneau had a .906 OPS against RHP.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 3:09 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 308

Young needs to play, not sit the bench. Plus, the need at 2B or 3B is much more needed then a power hitter on the bench. Thome made 13 Mil last year.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 3:28 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 309

Thome hit a HR every 18.00 plate appearances last year, better than Morneau (19.33) or Mauer (21.39).

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 3:40 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 310

"Not sure why people would hate a Thome deal so much?"

We have some serious holes in our roster. He does not fill any of them. We already have a left-handed DH.

Thome hasn't played in the field in two years. In 2007, he played one game (8 innings). Needless to say, there isn't many options other than DH or the occasional pinch hit.
Last season he struckk out 123 times for the White sox. That is over 28% of his plate appearances. He struck out 7 times in 17 (41.2%) plate appearances for the Dodgers after he was traded. This was not a one season fluke. In the previous three seasons he struck out 147, 134 and 147 times. If we bring him off the bench with the bases loaded, he is more apt to strikeout than get a hit.

We need to focus our limited resources on someone that will help us get better, not duplicate a position we already have covered.

If we need to steal someone off of the sox roster, Jermaine Dye is still availible. He hit .250 last year with 27 home runs and 81 RBI. More importatnly he is right handed and can still play a little outfield.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 4:47 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 311

Just because Dye played in the OF last year does not mean that he should play in the OF. And people who hit lots of HRs tend to strike out a lot. Of course the price matters, but he ain't gonna get $13MM this year.

And it's looking more and more like we aren't going to address 2B or 3B.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:02 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 312

Not to beat a dead horse, but it looks like those that placed deposit during the 2009 season (at least after Aug. 25) will not be getting an opportunity to get opening day seats. Looks like public auction here I come...

"It looks like you are going to have to go through the individual public ticket opportunity. Based on the inventory we won’t be able to get our deposit holders from around that time in for the opener. If anything changes, I will let you know, but doesn’t look like it’s going to happen unfortunately.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM by Tyler - Section 126 Highlight this comment 313

Well, he's here... so that happened.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:08 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 314

"Twins manager Ron Gardenhire won't have an easy time finding at-bats for Thome."

Enough said?

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:14 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 315

I look forward to him putting one out wearing those 60s throwbacks.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:41 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 316

I don't think Thome is a good fit for the Twins, but then again, I thought the same thing about Favre and the Vikings. I will be thrilled if Thome has half the success that Favre did. As in most things, I don't think it is a good move, but now that he is a Twin, I'll be cheering for him during every at bat.

I keep hoping we don't need a late inning pinch hitter, but with our current pitching staff, we may need a few late inning home runs.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:41 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 317

$1.5MM with $700K in incentives - that's a no-brainer move.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:43 PM by strategery Highlight this comment 318

Yes strategery. For 1.5M up to 2.2M I am happy with this move. It is a no brainer like you said. Anything over 3M would not have been good. HOPEFULLY, we still have a little $$ left to pick up Hudson or Lopez.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:45 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 319

Thome getting about what Giambi got with the Rockies. I guess 1.5M is the going rate for former sluggers. Giambi for the Rockies only makes slightly more sense than Thome for the Twins.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 5:58 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 320

How about that 5.15pm webcam 2 shot with the Met Club wall? Looks lit up nicely. The 5.30pm and 5.45pm images are some pretty sweet dusk shots as well.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 6:24 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 321

I'm down with the move. We won't have to worry about him hitting HR's AGAINST us.

Plus, by all accounts, he's a great clubhouse guy. We have a relatively young team...remember, no Naked Guy this year.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 6:26 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 322

Twins' twitter feed last week said urinals, not troughs. Not quite a press release, but still...official word.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 7:14 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 323

Twins twitter feed? Talking about urinals??

Tell me more.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 7:38 PM by Rick 324

The moderator there asked for questions (any questions). This was one response:

RT @matthewtbecker @overthebaggy All men's restrooms will have urinals (surprised at how many of you that were concerned with this) 12:31 PM Jan 11th from web

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 325

If they would have just included a few pics of the shitters during their updates, none of this would be such an issue.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 9:46 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 326

I apologize if I've missed this, but I can't remember this announcement. How long have single game prices been known (link).

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 327

Wow...updated schedule now includes only THREE 6:10 Saturday starts. Everything else is 12:10 (early in the season) or 3:10. Is that Fox showing off Target Field?

I disapprove of the mid-afternoon starts in July and August, especially when the evenings are so lovely.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:00 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 328

TT -- the single game prices must be new today, since I was trolling the Twins site yesterday and did not see this info. Nice find! Have they defined the premium and value games yet anywhere?

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:04 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 329

The Thome deal is good... he still hit 23 hrs with less at bats than kuble did hopefully this means kubs hits the field since no turf anymore and delmon can come off the bench...

Linc, sorry u dissaprove but i like the sun

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:06 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 330

Linc, I'd assume it is FOX. I'm guessing they'll soon release their schedule and have recently let teams know. I think the maximum for Saturday games is 6 or 8 (or maybe that is primetime).

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:09 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 331

Also, I'm glad to share the ticket prices. It shocked me to suddenly come across that, because I didn't think I had seen them anywhere yet. I haven't seen the premium and value games yet, but aren't they normally on the newer pocket schedules? Maybe we'll find out at TwinsFest this weekend.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:13 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 332

Maz -- I got my tickets on the third base side for the downtown view and the sun, but those could be some hot afternoons! Ah well, it is what we all wanted, and nothing an extra beer can't cure. I certainly don't mind the sun, I just love Minnesota summer evening is all.

I re-looked at the old HOK sun studies, and by the second inning of a 3:10 start the shade is covering most of section 119 and back towards home plate, so anyone in the infield sections will be out of the sun by the middle of the game it seems. It'll be interesting to see how much sun protection that halo really gives folks. I also figure for every game I'm too hot, there are some April and September games when I'm in the sun and loving it but in the shade it's cold. Won't it be great that the days will be different, rather than the same every single time!

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:26 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 333

From Charley Walters at the Pioneer Press..."Look for the Twins, who privately spent $55 million for enhancements to Target Field, to spend up to $10 million more within the next two months to improve the ballpark."

Is this really 10 million more than what they already have spent? What additional improvements are needed? He Dave St. Peter fill us in!!!

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 10:52 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 334

I noticed the single game prices in the "winter edition" pocket schedules handed out last week on the Winter Caravan tour.

Basically premium games (15 total) are Red Sox, Yankees and Brewers and all Saturday home games in June, July and August.

Select games (39 total) are pretty much all home games from Memorial Day through Labor Day and Friday/Saturday home games in September(excluding premium games previously mentioned)

Value games (27 total) are essentially those early season games in April/May and and all Sunday through Thursday home games post-Labor Day.

Posted on January 26, 2010 at 11:32 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 335

Premium, value, select --- anyone else getting a headache?

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 12:29 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 336

can someone please inform me as to how the milwaukee stinkin' brewers of all teams are considered a "premium" opponent? i mean i get that becky fadger fans like to come to minneapolis when they get the chance (or they have already moved to the twin cities from cheeseland for work/play) and that drives up the number of fans trying to get tickets, but come on!

i just don't like the notion of calling a brewers series "premium". what in the world has that baseball team ever done since 1982 to merit consideration as a premium game. the sheer principle of calling it "premium" just sounds wrong! wrong i tells ya. :-)

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 01:33 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 337

Hey Beta, wt_, most of your posts make sense and then every so often you come up with this crap. I mean, you bitch about ppl calling where you live “the cities” and then you call everywhere other than where you live “outstate”. And then you call ppl from ND hayseeds and now you go off on the Brewers and, by extension, all from WI. Seriously, dude, chill out! It’s all Twins Territory! I’d like to meet you and have a beer sometime ‘cause you can’t possibly be as bad as your occasional really obnoxious posts. Peace, Play Ball! :)

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 02:16 AM by Play Ball! Highlight this comment 338

Judging by some posts, You'll be having beer; he'll have to settle for the juice box his mom sent with him.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 03:56 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 339

They have been calling it a premo game for a few years now prob just cuz at miller park they charge more for the twins games since we have been taking over half that dump since it opened.

Linc you are lucky im in the LF bleechers but row 11 so i might not see a ton of sun but i really wanted to be in that area, a nook if you will ... hopefully a few folks drop there tix and i can move down a few rows every year.. shit i had front row hr porch last year and it was great talked smack to every LF and got love from D span whenever he played there. i will stand on the plaza alot and also hit up the met club outdoor area too for sun, let me know if it gets to hot for ya we can swap a game, last 2 seats row 11 look over the rail to the bullpens..jesus that is really becoming a reality huh????

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 06:30 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 340

The Brewers are premium because it's interleague, and more so because a lot of their fans will likely travel. I believe they do the same thing with their tickets when we go there, as do other teams for "rivalry" interleague games.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 07:48 AM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 341

Brewers are a premium game because its a "border battle rivalry." I don't consider it a rivalry considering we've mopped the floor with the Brewers since inter league play started, but I do have fun going to the twins/brewers series with my family members who are brewers fans. To me the series where we play the brewers are more friendly rivalries than say twins/white sox or twins/yankees rivalries.

Also, the college age brewers fans are terrible. Bunch of drunk obnoxious frat boys who don't know shit about baseball. I really hope they stay in Wisconsin and don't migrate over to TF.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 08:19 AM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 342

It's a premium game because of all that supply/demand stuff.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 343

I think DVS took an economics class in college once so he can probably expand on that supply demand stuff if need be.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 10:30 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 344

If any games should be premium it should be the Brewers games for all the reasons already given. Don't hate just because somebody lives across the river.

I wish we played the Brewers more. It's too bad Bud thought solely with his wallet when moving them to the NL.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 345

What other tool did Bud have in his arsenal?

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 346

Certainly not a brain.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 347

As somebody noted, it can be quite different between the shade and the sunny areas on a colder day. I took my daughter to the game in Chicago on Easter last season and we had seats in the club area along the first base side. We were in the shade before the game even began and even though it wasn't too cold that day, as soon as we moved over to the third base side in the sun, it was like night and day. The sun makes a difference even on those cooler days. Hell, I even got a bit of sun burn that day despite it being like 50 degrees at most.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 348

I too wish the Brewers were still in the AL. If I remember, it was the Arizona Diamondbacks that caused all of this initially when they refused to go into the AL. This than resulted in the AL having an 'extra' team and since the KC Royals denied the invite to the NL, Bud obviously offered the Brewers.

To me, what makes Arizona have so much say as to what league they will play in? They were an expansion team and should be happy with wherever they were put.

Perhaps there will be some division shuffling in the future and we will see the Brewers back in the AL someday? I can only hope so.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 349

bud F'd up big time on that one... he could have placed KC in the NL and STL....

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 11:53 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 350

*** and made one heck of a rivary

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 11:54 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 351

When the move happened, the press was saying that one reason the Brewers went was because Milwaukee had been, historically, a National League city. But the Brewers were the longest lasting team in Milwaukee, and up until then, as you all kbnow, they had always been American League. So that explanation made no sense.
My suspicion as to why Arizona was allowed to dictate which league they would be in is that they probably paid a very heavy expansion fee, and therefore were allowed to choose to make the deal go down better for the potential owners. The more they pay in expansion fees, the more every other franchise is immediately worth.
But that's just a theory from a cynic. I could be wrong.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 2:15 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 352

I found this single game prices map. It's better than getting repetitive stress from glancing back and forth and figuring out corresponding colors.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 2:45 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 353

ha! dance my sconnie puppets.....dance. man, that was just way too easy. like moths to a flame.

my apologies. i think TTH's onion-esque sarcasm is starting to rub-off on me a little bit.

is it almost time for outdoor baseball to start and for this g-damn stadium to finally open-up?! getting a bit stir-crazy around here.

p.s. winona mike - my favorite juice box is orange Hi-C. don't forget to bring some with. oh and some kleenex to wipe my nose. :-)

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 354

I'm not a baseball purist by any means, but after spending five years in Cincy I MUCH prefer the NL game. More strategy with the double switches and what-not. And fewer cheesy beanball wars when your pitcher actually has to step into the batter's box against the other guy. I'd love for the Twins to join the NL with the Brewers and Cubs, but I suppose it will never happen.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 355

DUMP THE DH is one of the coolest bumper stickers I've ever seen.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 356

The NL needs to grow up and join the 21st Century.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 357

The AL needs to admit a mistake and dump the DH. How could I have grown up without seeing the batting adventures of Dean Chance??

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 4:57 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 358

I think it's nice that there's a difference between the two leagues. I prefer the NL style without the DH - it's the way the game was intended to be played. But it has prolonged a few hitters' careers and probably gives the AL an advantage for signing veteran pitchers as well.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 5:11 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 359

Pick a favorite team in each league and enjoy DH or no DH. Twins and Rockies. Be done with it. I'm all for abolishing the DH in the World Series though.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 6:10 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 360

That's a good one Badjuggler!! I too rememmber Dean Chance's batting style, Half heartedly swinging the bat while simultaniously stepping backward and out of the batters box. :-)
P.S. He was a Lights out pitcher tho, In 1967, he had the No-hitter and the 5 1/2 inning (rain shortend) perfect game. Plus the Cy Young in 64 with the Angels, before in juring his arm before in 69.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 7:51 PM by hans Highlight this comment 361

injuring

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 7:52 PM by hans Highlight this comment 362

The two things baseball needs to immediately change is:

Get rid of the DH.

Get rid of aluminum bats at the college level.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 7:53 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 363

And Artificial Turf

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 8:08 PM by hans Highlight this comment 364

Blyleven jokingly calls the pitcher the best athlete on the field, but in the NL their athletic prowess is definitely more on display - or not.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 8:42 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 365

Twins have now posted a link for the concession options at Target Field. Click my name. Golly those signs are hideous. These signs can be found at your local church festival.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 366

Dre - I disagree about the aluminum bats at the college level. I love the sound those things make! And when the Gophers are playing games at the Dome this year in front of a rousing 260 people, the sound is even cooler.
That's just me...

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 9:26 PM by luke Highlight this comment 367

I am in the minority here, but I could honestly care less regarding the looks of concession stand signs inside a ballpark.

You go to a ballpark to watch a game and enjoy the atmosphere. Having "hot dogs", "nachos" and "beer" etc listed above each concession stand is good enough for me as it simply tells me the primary offerings at that specific stand.

And the old saying goes, don't judge a book by it's cover....Let's just hope the food is quality and enjoyable, especially considering the prices we can expect to be paying.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 9:28 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 368

Does anyone else think that the number of each concession stand from the link Jeff posted is extreemly low? Only 1 State Fair stand, 2 Senior Smokes, 3 Frankie V's Italian and 3 Halsey's Sausage? Seems we're going to have to walk a ways to get what we're looking for...guess it's a good thing the concourses are open!

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 9:34 PM by Jeremy Highlight this comment 369

OG Jeff, Dump the DH huh? Yeah, watching the pitcher bat err should I say feebly wave the bat three times and strike out would liven up the AL...good plan. Maybe we should also make NFL kickers block from the backfield on 3rd downs?

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 10:01 PM by common man Highlight this comment 370

Watch for ESPN Homecoming with Rick Reilly and Mauer at Cretin-Derham Hall in early April. I just got back from attending the taping. It should be good.

Posted on January 27, 2010 at 10:42 PM by robin Highlight this comment 371

Sad news this morning regarding Harmon Killebrew. Heard on WCCO radio that he underwent emergency gall bladder surgery and will miss Twinsfest this weekend.

Cannot find any article yet to confirm this news, but if it's true, our thoughts are definitely with him as we wish him a full and speedy recovery so he can be at the Inaugural Game on April 12.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 08:24 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 372

Yeah, common man. It might be the most crazy fact you've ever heard, but baseball was invented and played without a DH for a majority of its existence.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 08:29 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 373

Here is a link regarding Killebrew...sounds like everything went well and he should be released from the hospital today.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 09:15 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 374

Must be a common young man.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 09:47 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 375

Was anyone else at the Homecoming taping last night? Just seeing what peoples thoughts were.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 09:58 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 376

Jim Thome has been added to the TwinsFest schedule, though, so there will still be a representative of the 500 HR club, and a sure HOFer.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 10:11 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 377

Going to twinsfest for the first time. Looking for insight on what to expect, including: Autograph session fees? How early to get there? Length of lines?

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 10:12 AM by pawelk12 Highlight this comment 378

Hey, what happened to the glassed in area under sec.321 on the Terrace level? (seen on the stadium view site) Looks like the 3rd base side won't have a warming/cooling area like the 1st base side does.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 10:17 AM by hans Highlight this comment 379

Will TF have standing room only tickets similar to what Xcel has? From what I see it won't, I just want to make sure.

Can't wait to have a beer or two at Hrbeks Pub before taking in outdoor Twins baseball. The sting of that pathetic Vikes loss is going to take a long time to wear off (how much pain does one fanbase have to endure?), but watching the Twins outdoors on grass and under a blue sky will certainly help.

And I love the Thome signing. I've always been a big fan of his. He will be the steal of the year and I predict many mammoth blasts out onto the plaza from him.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 10:36 AM by crfire163 Highlight this comment 380

I was at the Joe Mauer Homecoming taping...very well done. Tons of fans (they said it was the show's biggest crowd ever - 4,000 strong). Joe was really fun and we got to hear some great stories. Grandpa Jake was there too and almost brought the house down with his off-the-script rants/raves.

Joe said he was at Target Field on Monday and that he thought the place looked outstanding.
My favorite part...Rick R. asked him what pitcher he feared most... Joe said: NO ONE!!! Hahah

Like someone mentioned, it's supposed to air in early April. Everybody should try and watch it...it 's pretty good.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 10:50 AM by Excited Highlight this comment 381

pawelk12

The way autographs at Twinsfest works is there are typically 4-5 "stations". Each station typically has 2-4 players, Each station has a fee ranging in price from 10-30 dollars. That fee gets you an autograph from each player at the station. Players typically sign for approximatly 30-45 min with break of an hour or two between groups. The lines fill fast and you are not guaranteed an autograph. If there are players you really want you should expect to wait in line for up to two hours. Get to their station when the previous group is about to end their signing.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 10:54 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 382

thanks PNB19 for the info

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 11:23 AM by pawelk12 Highlight this comment 383

I noticed on the TwinsFest schedule that the autograph stations for the prospects are free this year. I might go and just him them up. I wanted to go and get Killebrew, who I've missed out on in the past, but now that's he's not going to be there I might just buy a ball and get all the prospects to sign it. Wouldn't mind having a ball with Kyle Gibson, Aaron Hicks, Ben Revere, Parmelee, Benson and Tosoni, not to mention Toby Gardenhire, on it.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 11:27 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 384

A couple of years ago at TwinsFest I decided it was time to get Killebrew's autograph. I got in line the minute his time started, and there were already hundreds of people in front of me. I waited the full three hours, and when his allotted time was done, I was about 15 people from the front of the line (there were still maybe 100 people behind me).

Like a true gentleman, Harmon just kept on signing. I got his autograph about 10 minutes after the end of his time slot, and he was still going strong as I walked away.

So I've decided that going to TwinsFest is EITHER about getting autographs, OR seeing the exhibits and activities -- but not both. If you're planning to spend the whole day there, maybe you can budget your time to fit both in, but there's no such thing as a "quick" autograph unless it's somebody you've never heard of (there always seem to be a few of those).

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 11:43 AM by Rick 385

That's a cool Killebrew story, Rick. He's a class act. Can't wait to see his club at the park!

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 11:57 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 386

I remember that, while I was standing in that long line, I was trying to work out in my head a better way to do it. Here's what I would have preferred:

Have a ticket booth where I could buy a ticket to get an autograph. That ticket would have a time on it (kind of like they do at museums for major exhibits; tickets are issued in 10 or 15 minute increments). Then I would just show up at the autograph station during my allotted time.

In fact, this is how they did it for the Star Spangled Banner tryouts (which I did that same year, but alas, did not get selected).

It seems like that would be easier for the players, and the fans could spend more time (and money) elsewhere at the show.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 12:03 PM by Rick 387

Rick
I have the smae story as you in regards to te line with the Killer, except mine ended in me ot getting the autograpth, i stood in line for 3 hours with a huge black and white poster with him on it and when his time was up they kept coming down saying hes done dont wate your time, but of course he kept signing & signing i got to about 20 people close to him when finally he had to stop i cold only imagine how sore his had was and i was not mad that i did not get his. he must have made the twins community fund a extra 1000 bucks just by hanging in there ...The guy behind me in line( who i see at almost every game i go to , kinda freaky) had a copy of harmons first contract with the senators he wanted him to sign,,, his mom had to sign the contract per harmon was a minor,

anyway sorry about that long story, but all in all i dont go to twinsfest for autos, i walk around and see all the stuff.. you will spend waaaay to much time in lines and please do not tell your kids you will get them joe mauers auto, you will dissapoint..

last year i met ferguson jenkins, no line and he talked to me for 5 mins.. also bob feller, no line talked to me for 5 mins...chuck forman too...these guys knobody knows who they are so they are over by all the stuff for sale.. check them out!!!!

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 12:25 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 388

One of the VPs where my wife works recently found himself seated next to The Killer on a flight to Boise (Killebrew lives in and is originally from Idaho). How cool would that be? The guy said they talked baseball and the Twins for the entire flight and that Killer could not have been more gracious, interesting, or friendly - not to mention a connsumate gentleman through and through. Anyway, the VP at some point interjected that one of the directors where he works is a huge Twins fan of long standing and that she is especially fond of The Killer. About a week later in the mail comes a sheet of note paper - between two pieces of cardboard - upon which is written "Paula --- keep pulling for the Twins --- Harmon Killebrew #3".

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 12:52 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 389

I went 2 days last year and was able to get Mauer, Nathan, Carew, Oliva, Punto, Harris, Guerrier, Swarzak, Duensing, plus a few others. Swarzak and Duensing were free last year, I had not heard of either until they got called up.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 12:59 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 390

and I too went to the Bob Feller booth and got his auto too

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 1:14 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 391

That tells us at least two things --- you spent over $100 on autos, and did pretty much nothing but stand in lines. It's nice to get them when they are "up and coming" and are having a session at one of the Pro shops, etc. Spring Training is an excellent choice as well. The downside (if you look at it that way) is that you wind up with a lot of Garrett Jones, Terry Tiffee, Glenn Williams, etc.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 1:19 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 392

No, I didn't spend that long in lines the 2nd day... I ended up spending most of my money on day 1 so I hit up the futures on Sun. I think I got Valencia, Plouffe, T. Gardenhire and some others too.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 1:25 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 393

I had a memorable TwinsFest encounter with a very cranky Bob Casey. We talked about what was then just the potential for a new ballpark. I asked if he was looking forward to announcing in another Major League facility.

"Oh, I'll be long dead by then," he said, with great certainty.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM by Rick 394

That Garrett Jones may be worth something seeing as he hit like 20 something bombs last year for the Pirates.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 395

I remember in 2000 when Johan Santana was a rookie and would sign autographs for each and every fan waiting outside after games. He would stay long after the game and sign for every fan. Not sure if he would even consider that these days, who knows.

Than again, there weren't as many fans back than as there are now. Those were some of the "darker days" in Twins baseball.

Of course for every Johan Santana autograph in the collection, there is a Hector Carrasco, Chad Moeller, Mike Lincoln, Mark Redman, Matthew LeCroy and Ron Coomer autograph. Boy those were the days...the $7 lower level general admission were good times as well.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 2:29 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 396

The Hennepin County Bar Association is presenting a CLE about the legal issues surrounding the process of getting Target Field built and, apparently, a preview of what the future holds. The speakers are Dave St. Peter, Mike Opat, and Mike Freeman. I'm not sure if non-lawyers can attend, but it seems like an interesting lunch-hour program for ballpark geeks like us. Unfortunately, I have another CLE I am doing at that time, so I will not be able to attend.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 2:32 PM by The Rational Actor Highlight this comment 397

Speaking of staying after games it will be interesting to see if they have a public place the players leave the facility like they did at the dome.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 2:43 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 398

New Photos!!!! Some great shots!! Click my name

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 3:06 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 399

Santana got to the point where he would drive down to the loading dock (rather than up to the players parking) and have some go-fer run his Hummer up to the lot. Presumably he did that backwards upon leaving. Big name players usually had very creative ways of getting into/out of the stadium without being "caught" by the auto seekers.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 3:31 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 400

Definitive word on opening day tickets, in writing, from the Twins:

"On the heels of Twins Fest, I wanted to reach out to you to keep you updated on a few things specifically as it relates to Opening day.

1. Season ticket holders who secured seats with us during the final season at the Metrodome are guaranteed seats for Opening Day. You will be receiving an email from us shortly with more details on how to reserve them. However, if you want the opportunity to secure additional seats to Opening Day you are welcome to register for the Opening Series Ticket Opportunity.

2. Season ticket holders that purchased seats after last season are not guaranteed seats for Opening Day. However, you are welcome to register for the Opening Series Ticket Opportunity. Look for information as to how to register for this shortly.

3. As per usual, season ticket holders will have access to purchase extra single game tickets to the regular season during a pre-sale opportunity. This is tentatively scheduled for the first part of March.

As always, do not hesitate to ask if you have any questions. However, rest assured, more info will be coming to you shortly! "

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 4:16 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 401

None of the twins players sign after games... except for d. span, mauer and justin go out thru the loading doc so they are not bothered...it kind of sucks when you are waiting in line with your kids to get a autograph and mike redman walks past fast with his head down so he does not have to sign...mike frickin redman!!! same to those like crain, and buscher... tolbert did sign for us once.. but span came up after all the players went home was oon his cell phone and told the person he was talkig to he would call them back, then he talked with us and signed and took pics for like 5 mins b4 he went home...not even mike redman.. man sometimes these guys need a reality check

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 402

opening day rules: JFH, I assume point 3 refers to single games other than OD?
Homecoming: Ron Schapiro and Terry Ryan were there. Grandpa is great, but very un-pc. He will be edited, for sure. Mike Redman was there also.
Bob Feller is always happy to talk and sell. Nothing wrong with that, of course.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 5:05 PM by robin Highlight this comment 403

jfh -

based on your comments, it would appear that anyone that purchased season tickets prior to oct. 2 will be getting seats to Opening Day, correct?

My acct. rep on Monday or Tuesday said that it was "highly unlikely" that I would get tickets (I put my deposit down on Aug 25) unless it was through the public lottery. From what your saying it appears as though there is new/different information from what I was told.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 5:48 PM by Tyler - Section126 Highlight this comment 404

I honestly don't know about #3 - didn't ask. I would assume it's whatever's left for Opening Day after the STH and lottery OD sales in February and for all the rest of the games.

At some point the Twins will sell whatever is left for OD to the general public, so I don't know why OD would be excluded if there is anything left in March. They didn't hold back the final game at the Dome last year from the presale and that was a hot ticket.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 5:51 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 405

Im gonna go on record right now saying if i am able to gobble up a batch of OD tix im gonna get em, and sell them...

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 6:19 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 406

Was also at Homecoming last night - look forward to seeing it air, but I suspect the best parts won't air. (oh my grandpa Jake, it's not 1954 anymore! lol)

The most interesting thing I heard that I didn't know is that his dog's name is Lil Kim. :D

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 407

I bring a radio so I can listen the live shows from the KSTP stage. Great for waiting in lines. I like to have dinner in the anthem audition area. My wife loves to do the speed pitch (44 MPH). Visit with the Golden Gopher baseball & softball players and they will sign a team poster and give you game passes.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 8:17 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 408

... to Twinsfest that is.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 8:36 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 409

It sounds the "Homecoming: Joe Mauer" will air somewhat with baseball's Opening Day.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 8:57 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 410

As per my rep..."As a new partial season ticket holder you will need to go the lottery route for the opening game (tickets)."

We didn't think we had a chance but figured we would ask just to clarify. We signed up for our 20 game pack in mid August '09. So just an FYI for the rest of you that may fall into the same category, this may be your scenario as well.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 10:52 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 411

Anybody know if exhibition tix going to be available to those that don't make it to TwinsFest? I definitely would like to try to score some of those even if it is the Gophers that are playing.

Posted on January 28, 2010 at 11:16 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 412

Exhibition tix are being forced upon STH.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 01:37 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 413

Mazaratirick-
You must have had bad luck for player signings. Redmond almost always signed when I was out there and I'd only do it on a spur of the moment thing. Neshek will sign everyone down the line, by far the nicest Twin when it comes to autos. Punto, Nathan and Cuddyer a lot of the time sign everyone too. A lot of it depends on how the game went and how late it is, if it's after a game. If you don't care about getting Mauer and Morneau it is usually pretty easy to get the other guys. I'd say the majority of the guys stop, but they usually don't do everyone. But, like I said, me stopping for autos after the game is usually spur of the moment but usually the same guys stop.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 06:29 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 414

You could always dig through their trash...I'm sure you are bound to find their signature on something.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 08:56 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 415

Yeah, the autograph fetish really perplexes me. What do you do with them? Do you have a little shrine in your basement? Do you keep them in a little book and stare longingly at them during the winter? Do you touch their sleeve when you meet them? Personally, I enjoy the game and pretty much leave it at that. I have no interest in the players personally. I have no interest in meeting them. I won't drive to their high school to watch them talk. When I occasionally see them in a mall or a restaurant I don't go up to them and harrass them. Can someone explain? I will be going to my first TwinsFest this weekend for the sole purpose of seeing the display on Target Field. Baseball is finally alive in the Twin Cities.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 09:33 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 416

Badjuggler, I couldn't explain why I have autographs if I wanted to. It's just something I've done since I was a little boy. There's something exciting when you're a kid handing a baseball card to a ballplayer and having him sign it for you.

I've never done it for profit and it's not like I show off my collection even. I also don't go out and wait for players to leave to get their autograph (haven't since I got Jon Casey's autograph in the rain outside the Met Center after the last game of the 1991 Stanley Cup finals) or approach players in public (although the only one I ever saw was then-Timberwolves point guard Anthony Carter a Chuck E. Cheese). But at autograph events, I will go and get one occasionally.

It's just something I like having and enjoy. I'm sure there are hobbies you do that others would profess not understanding either, so to each their own.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 09:58 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 417

Rick, has there been any talk of free WiFi at the new stadium? I know SF and several other stadiums offer it for fans...

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 10:50 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 418

Jeff,

There was such talk a long time ago, but I haven't heard a word about it recently. I'll check.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM by Rick 419

I can't really explain mine either. I don't go out of my way to go get autographs but I like doing it still too. Just like Buffalo said, it's something I've done since I was little. I do keep them, I do have an entire room dedicated to sports stuff.

To some people it's just a sport and that's it. To me, the game and all that it includes is on my "reasons for living" list (no I don't actually have a list like that, but if I did..). I do live for this like the logo says. Hockey, baseball, and to a much lesser extent, football are pretty much all I watch on tv. If I didn't have cable I'd probably go crazy. I'd be fine just paying for the sports channels and getting no other channels. I get anxious when I don't know the score of the game no matter where I am, haha.

I will not however walk up to a player when he's just out in the public living his life. There are boundaries. After Pavano got traded here I saw him at the State Fair. I think I was the only one who noticed him and he noticed that I saw him. I didn't bother him though, we just gave each other the old head nod. He was with his family and I was wearing my usual Twins hat. They all deserve as normal of lives as possible. I either go to autograph sessions or wait at the ballpark.

I have other hobbies and a life outside of sports, but I am extremely passionate about the game and everything that goes with it.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 420

Does anyone know what the scaffolding around the celebration is all about? Are they just finishing up work on it?

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 11:35 AM by Grizzly Adams Highlight this comment 421

Jared - I believe you fall in to the lottery category because I suspect you didn't have a 20 game package in 2009, just put down a deposit for one for 2010.

If you did have a 20 game package in 2009, you should be eligible for the STH presale in February.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 422

Ticket lottery is live on the Twins site:

"A random drawing for the opportunity to purchase up to four (4) tickets to any one (1) game of the 2010 Opening Series at Target Field will be held on or about Tuesday, 02/16/2010. Each applicant selected will be notified via the e-mail address submitted on the registration form on or about Wednesday, 02/17/2010."

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 423

Well here ya go - Opening Series tix app in link

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 12:36 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 424

(let the bitching commence.) lol

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 425

Any STH that do not want their exhibition tix, feel free to email me. I know it's a long shot but it's worth a try. :)

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 426

What a good deal! Not only are you signing up for a very slim chance at really crummy seats, you will also get about thirty years worth of junk mail, spam, and pop-ups! Hurry!

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 12:56 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 427

Even if you win the lottery, you may not be going to opening day. Check out the offical rules.

Registration for the 2010 Opening Series at Target Field Ticket Opportunity will begin at 9 a.m. Central Time (CT) on Friday, January 29, 2010. The Twins will conduct a random selection of winners from the pool of registrants. The winners will have the opportunity to purchase on a first-come, first-served basis, up to four (4) tickets to any one (1) game of the 2010 Red Sox vs. Twins Opening Series either on Monday, April 12, 2010, Wednesday, April 14, 2010 or Thursday April 15, 2010 to be played at Target Field, Minneapolis, MN. Exact date, times and instructions for ticket purchase opportunities will be communicated by e-mail to each applicant selected. If a selected applicant does not follow these instructions, he or she will forfeit the opportunity to purchase tickets. There is no charge to register for this opportunity. There is no obligation to buy a ticket. Because this is a first-come, first-served opportunity there is no guarantee that tickets will be available during the sale. There is no assurance that any particular registrant will be selected. Winners may not transfer this purchase opportunity. You may not use any tickets purchased in connection with the drawings for any promotional purposes whatsoever. Registrations have no cash redemptions or substitutions.

The key to this is that you can buy tickets to one of the opening series games. It may be game one, two or three. Depending on number of tickets availible and how quick you are with the phone or computer.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 1:10 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 428

It's a lottery to get a wristband to get in a line to try and throw a baseball through a too-small hole at the other end of a long hallway.

That bites.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM by Rick 429

It makes me wonder how many hackers might try to hack into that system somehow and create multiple "entries" via a script or macros or something similar and than turn around and sell them to a broker.

Just keep your eyes on the inventories for Opening Series tickets at various brokers come February 16.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 1:45 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 430

I am going to register, and if I win, and am able to secure opening day tickets, I will sell them AT FACE VALUE to anyone here. (But at my discretion).

I will base my choice on who comes up with the funniest/most poignant posts going forward. That person must also exemplify true "Twins Spirit" and must care deeply about the team.

Think of me as the Opening Day Santa Claus...I'll be checking my list!

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 431

One of my friends posted the following on facebook this morning-

"Mauer is Signing!!! I will die a happy man!"

"my source is Mike Urban...who has a little birdie working inside the twins front office!"

Take this however you wish, but my friend did play college ball so I think there's a chance he might be on to something. Who knows...

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM by ace Highlight this comment 432

You are correct jfh. We (a buddy and I) have been wanting to do season tix for a couple of years and were finally able to do so starting this season. We decided to start with the 20 gamer and work our way up the next seasons if we wanted more games. I figured I wasn't the only one here to start anew for this season and would point out how my situation stands for those who may be unsure about their situation, if it were similar to mine.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 2:17 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 433

OG Jeff,

When i was at TF last week with my son my Iphone picked up the TF wifi... it was unlocked and free...i picked it up from the LRT platform, it promted me a list of 4 wifi networks right there and 3 of them were twins related names..

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 2:35 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 434

DreDogg,

Here is the first try@ tic's: About 22 years ago,(man is it that long already) We went to Camara day at the Dome. Tons of people/kids were following Kirby Puckett around the field, so no chance there. Well Tony Oliva was standing all alone, I thought, hey he was the new star when I was a kid. So carrying my Daughter (then one & a half years old)we went over and introduced ourselves and asked if we could get a picture with him. Naturally he said yes,and thats when it got interesting. I handed my daughter to him,(my Dad was going to take our picture), and she immediatly started crying her eyes out,scared I was handing her to a complete stranger (making me feel like a heel). Tony gave her back to me, I reasured her everything was O.K. Tony, my Dad and I laughed about the situation, and then we had the picture taken. Needless to say I was a inexperenced Dad then.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM by hans Highlight this comment 435

P.S. I also played Hooky from work on opening day 1979 (at the Met).

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM by hans Highlight this comment 436

Darn computer (sent before ready). Beautifull day 70 degrees and sunny. The only bad thing that day was, Rod Carew was on the opposing team... The Angels

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 3:08 PM by hans Highlight this comment 437

I recall another famous Twin being in an Angel uniform on opening day...

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 3:37 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 438

Here is a great picture of the Twins' clubhouse.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 439

Mauer on 1500 from Twins Fest with no new contract news. boo.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 6:32 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 440

I think Gordo just said that they were going to cut up the right field baggie and sell pieces of it to benefit the Twins Community Fund... anyone hear anything about that? I'd like a piece of baggie!

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 6:39 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 441

Just came back from TwinsFest. Fun time. Got an autographed Bob Feller bobblehead. Signed up for the Opening Series thing, and spent a good chunk of a two-and a half hour stint at the TF display...lol.

I'm going to post some of my pics that I took tonight on Flickr soon. I'll post the link later.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 7:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 442

Click my name for my photo set from tonight.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 8:54 PM by luke Highlight this comment 443

Guys, I threw together a quick "live blog" of the Q&A after am1500 finished broadcasting. It was with Dave St. Peter, Jerry Bell, Bill Smith and Jim Pohlad. Alot of good nuggets about Target Field, including some things we talk about here. Click my name and check it out.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 8:55 PM by Jeremy Highlight this comment 444

Thanks, Luke and Jeremy. That was interesting. Hoping to get there tomorrow, maybe for the Saturday morning sports talk. I saw something about tours if you join Twins Territory, but I think those are after the season starts.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 9:53 PM by robin Highlight this comment 445

I also heard from one of the season ticket people at TwinsFest that the STH tour of TF will be on March 20. The general public tour of TF will be on the 21st.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 10:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 446

20,000 tours in one day. Sounds like a great plan.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 10:13 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 447

the part of jeremy's blog that caught my attention were jerry bell's comments regarding the HERC facility:

"Incinerator has given off some odor on hot, humid days. The Twins and Hennepin County have a zero tolerance policy, so if that happens, they will stop. Jerry Bell said he’s not sure how long it will be there, but right now it helps heat the field. But chances are the facility will not last long simply because of technology."

glad to finally hear a prominent twins official express what most of us have known all along.......the twins really don't want the HERC to stick around either.....regardless of what some HERC proponents have posted on here in the past.

besides getting a bit of steam heat from the damn thing it is nothing but an eyesore and a wart to them as well, but for political purposes they can't be as blunt about it.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 448

Good info Jeremy. Thanks for the link. Amazing the info that they can give us if they just talk.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 449

I talked to my ticket rep tonight and he told me that not many tickets would be available via the lottery for the Opening Series, in particular, the home opener.

He thought at most 1,000 tickets would be available through that "lottery"...so basically if you did not have any season ticket package BEFORE the 2009 season, your best shot at tickets is the lottery.

All season ticket plans eligible for opening series tickets will be notified soon in the next week or so.

Partial plans A (40 game) and C/D (20 game)will have the Friday exhibition game and B (40 game)and E/F (20 game) will have the Saturday game.

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 10:42 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 450

Badjggler, you're lookin at well over 20k ppl with all the 20 and 40 ticket plan holders showing up at once for the tour.

I wonder If I will be limited to two attendees for that since we hold 2 full season tickets. I'd like to bring the kiddies but I could just go back down on the 21st too I guess.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 08:55 AM by Jax Highlight this comment 451

Guys, you aren't looking at over 20K people - even if the current FSE is 20K, that's probably about 28K accounts total (remember, many STHs have multiple plans. I have three accounts - I can only go once). Figure at least 2.5 seats per account (probably low) and only 30% of the STH go on the tour (and I think that's a really high number, you are looking at about 3300 people MAYBE. The STH tour will be for all the account holders any "groupies" as mentioned in a previous thread will have to go the next day.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 10:08 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 452

This is a quick post I put together comparing the initial ballpark drawings to what we see today.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 453

Badjuggler, I don't think you read Jeremy's post well enought. He specifically wrote OPEN HOUSES for STH and general public, not TOURS. Huge difference there. An open house would mean just throwing open the doors and let people meander as they see fit, nothing guided. So, I think it sounds like a GREAT idea.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 12:42 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 454

Just back from Twinsfest. As usual a very fun event in the middle of winter. The reaction to Mauer is really incredible. I have to believe they will get this deal done.

I didn't pick up any news we haven't seen on this board before. I will say that the "MyTickets" feature they have put up will be very nice for ticket exchanges, especially as contemplated on this board. I think you'll want an account even if you are not a season ticket holder, as it will be a nice way to transfer and receive tickets to whomever you want. They will be integrating StubHub into the MyTickets space as well.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 2:30 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 455

"My Tickets" from what I've read on my account page is really gonna be nice..I'll be able to email game tickets to buyers which makes so much easier than before..Of course it will cost me 2 bucks per ticket I transfer but well worth it.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 2:37 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 456

Agreed Steve. If I'm transferring/private selling tickets to someone I don't know, or even a friend that lives across town, there are three options -- I have to meet the person, costing me time and gas; I have to mail the tix, costing me an envelope, stamp, and a little time; or hit a button on my computer for $2. I would think twice at $5, but $2 is a good price point. If we do some ticket trading here, I would probably do it at face value and ask the buyer to pay the service charge. If I want to set my own price, I'll use StubHub which will also allow electronic payment.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 3:19 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 457

Heh, speaking of StubHub, I was just looking and there are almost 1100 opening day tickets already up for sale, ranging from $125 - $7000. I guess if you really want to go, there will be tickets available. It will be interesting to see where that market shakes out.

It will be interesting to me what the walk-up situation will be. While I would love it if the Twins got off to a great start and started selling TF out, I think one joy is being able to walk up on a lovely night and grab a pair of cheap tickets to a major league game. It is one of the quality of life things living in a city like Minneapolis.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 3:30 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 458

Also,,They give you 2 free "buds" to transfer tickets unlimited times..I have a partner(15 games) in Rochester who usually waits till the last minute:):) to select games..I can now get him the tickets faster and for free...

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 3:37 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 459

Everyone's definition of "long" is different. Mankind hasn't been around "long," considering the age of the earth, but mankind's recorded history is approximately 6,000 years. And while the HERC will,eventually, have to be replaced due to the march of technology, so will Target Field. If that's 3-40 years from now, will we consider that to be a "long" time?
Just because the Twins have hinted that they're not crazy about being neighbors with the incinerator, that doesn't mean they need only snap their fingers and it disappears.

Get used to looking at the HERC.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 3:48 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 460

How is it possible that only 1,000 tickets are available to opening day via the lottery?

If there are 20,000 FSE's, that still leaves many thousands of tickets available for single game sales. We already know many of the partial-season ticket holders will NOT get opening day tickets. They are not selling group tickets to opening day.

How will only 1,000 be available? The math doesn't make any sense.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 4:42 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 461

4PM Q&A with Jerry Bell, Dave St. Peter, Jim Pohlad, and Bill Smith on AM1500 from Twinsfest. Highlights as I hear them -- some of this is probably not new:

1. Fans will be able to wander between lower and upper decks, given that some attractions are only on the main level (e.g., Hrbek's).
2. Twins will hold pre and post game concerts occasionally on Target Plaza. Will also be holding fireworks on occasion, and those dates will be announced prior to single-game tix going on sale.
3. Single game tickets go on sale to the public March 13.
4. Saying they really don't know how much walk-up inventory will be available on a night-to-night basis.
5. Joe Mauer is important to the Twins! WHAT A SCOOP!
6. Gate opening times mid-week will be 90 minutes before gametime. F-Su gate times will be 2 hours before gametime. {Comment -- they are leaving money on the table by not extending these times 30 minutes given a new stadium. Mid-week happy hour at the Metropolitan Club should start at 5PM! They can go back to these times in 2-3 years}.
7. Twins first identified Joe Mauer as a prospect as a sophomore in high school, after scouting one of his older brothers.
8. All open house and college baseball game dates confirmed.
9. Justin Morneau scans came back clean. Sounds like he is good to go.
10. Liriano and Castilla both out of options. They make the team coming out of Ft. Meyers or we trade them.
11. Twinsfest to remain at the Metrodome as long as it is around. Target Center and Convention Center are other possibilities.
12. Twins sponsored road trips still being evaluated. I think they are wondering if there will still be demand after we have an open air stadium.
13. Statues -- 3 on the Plaza for opening day -- Kirby, Killer, and Carew. Emphasized there could be more over time.

That's it!

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 5:00 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 462

Promotion talk from Twins promotion department on AM1500

1. $1 hotdog and college nights continue.
2. They say "a" bobblehead promotion in 2010. Who knows if he meant only one.
3. On non-game days, 25 different spaces available for rent.
4. Lady asks about no bobbleheads for STH. Event guy has no idea. Event guy confirms ONE bobblehead promotion this year. He says people LIKE to stay in line overnight to get bobbleheads. They very well might. No judgment for me!

Sorry for the multiple posts. Just enjoying a full Twinsfest day! I don't get to go to Florida to see them, so this is my bridge between the snow and April 2!

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 5:33 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 463

They just got done with Nathan on air....I pretty much listened all day..All the players seemed slightly more pumped up about 2010 than other years..Fun stuff to listen to.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 6:02 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 464

Perhaps the Twins might be holding several thousand tickets for OD aside for use for sponsors, advertisers, and other "VIPs." This wouldn't surprise me at all. The NFL doesn't sell all the seats at events like the Super Bowl, a good portion of them are given to their partners, sponsors, etc.
I'm certainly not saying OD at Target Field is on a level with the Super Bowl, but it will be a once-in-a-lifetime event for this area and I'm sure the Twins will want to take care of their people.
Whether that amounts to 19,000, I can't say, but I'm sure they're setting aside a pretty sizable number of tickets.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 6:31 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 465

Lots of real fasns will be left on the ouitside looking in on OD while some of the best seats are being filled with people who are merely there to be seen, not knowing a baseball from a hockey puck.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 6:33 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 466

Like the World Series, on Opening Day, there will be lots of real fans on the outside looking in, while some of the best seats are filled with people who are merely there to be seen, not knowing a baseball from a hockey puck.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 467

What's with the double posts here lately?

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 468

There will be plenty of die-hard fans like me made being there for OD a priority 3 years ago (by buying flex 40 plans at the dome).

Where do you think we are...Wrigley? :D

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 10:52 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 469

*that* made being there a priority... i gots good grammer.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 10:53 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 470

That would be a quadruple post Winona Mike. Closing in on Luke territory...

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 10:56 PM by Max Highlight this comment 471

Tomorrow's Rosen Sports Sunday will be highlighted by a recent Target Field tour given by Gardy.

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 11:04 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 472

Where are people getting the number of 1000 seats held for the general public lottery for opening day?

Posted on January 30, 2010 at 11:49 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 473

Various ticket reps have been quoted here (earlier in this thread) as saying they think that's how many there will be available to the lottery.

I'm going to try and clear this up a little bit because we're kind of going around in circles on the subject. Bear with me for a minute as I flesh out the background.

It appears that somewhere near 20K full-season equivalents (FSE) have been sold. Now this is NOT 20K actual people, of course. It's MORE than that.

In fact, if each of those 20K FSEs was actually made up of people on the 20-game plan (and hypothetically there were no 40-gamers or full season folks at all), there could be as many as 80K actual season ticket holders (that's 20K seats x 4 20-game STHs for each seat).

This means that the actual number of PEOPLE holding season tickets in one form or another must be somewhere between 20K and 80K. Just where it falls exactly is not accessible to us, but this number is important because of what the Twins plan to do with opening day tickets.

The full season folks already have tickets to opening day, of course. And it sounds like the Twins are going to offer opening day tickets to anyone who bought their 40-game or 20-game plan before a certain arbitrary deadline. I'm not sure what that deadline is, but they've set one, and it's already passed.

Now I'm going to make up some numbers, just for the sake of argument, to show how it's possible to have only 1000 tickets available for a public lottery. These are MADE UP NUMBERS!

Let's say that half of the 20K FSEs are full season folks. That's 10K people that already have tickets to opening day.

That leaves 30K tickets remaining.

Now let's say that half of the remainder, or 5000, FSEs are 40-gamers. That's 10K people. Of those, let's just say that 90%, or 9000, bought their packages before the arbitrary cutoff date and will be offered, and likely take, the opportunity to purchase tickets to opening day.

That leaves 21K tickets remaining.

So that would make all of the remaining 5000 FSEs 20-gamers. That's 20K people. And let's say that 80% of them bought before the deadline and will get the chance to buy opening day tickets. That's 18K more tickets sold.

That leaves 3K tickets remaining.

Some tickets will go to players, dignitaries, friends, etc. Could that get to 2000 tickets? Sure.

That leaves 1K tickets remaining for the lottery.

To summarize:

10,000 81-game plans (10,000 FSEs) = 10,000 OD tickets
10,000 40-game plans (5,000 FSEs, 90% eligible) = 9,000 OD tickets
20,000 20-game plans (5,000 FSEs, 80% eligible) = 18,000 OD tickets

TOTALS
40,000 OD tickets available
-37,000 OD tickets used by 40,000 STHs (20,000 FSEs)
-2,000 Friends/Dignitaries
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1,000 OD tickets remain

Now, I MADE UP these numbers just to show how it's possible to get to only 1000 tickets available for the lottery. You could tweak these numbers and come up with scenarios where there are LESS or MORE available. But you get the idea.

You can also get a sense from this example just how difficult it is for the Twins to figure out what they'll have available. They've certainly done this calculation with the real numbers, and it appears they are telling their reps to say that 1000 is the magic number.

But they won't know for sure until all STHs have purchased up to their limit and all the friends and dignitaries have been identified. That means it will be a while before even THEY know for sure.

Meanwhile, they've got all of Twins Territory clamoring for these tickets...

Hope this helps.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 01:37 AM by Rick 474

You can argue if it is "fair" or not, but as a fairly recent 20 game STH (since 2008), I have really appreciated how the Twins treat me much like 81 game holders. I don't get all the bells and whistles, but for the things that are important to me -- playoff tickets, Met Club access, and choosing my seats in the relocation process -- the Twins have been great. If they didn't do that, I probably would have just grabbed my usual 4-6 games a year.

I'll be pleased as punch to get OD tickets if that is the way it works out, but I really didn't bank on being able to do so. I'll be at game 2, and it will be an outdoor baseball game in a new park, just like 48 hours earlier. That is pretty good too!

If they do give me a chance to purchase for OD, of course I'm taking it!

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 09:08 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 475

Anyone else hit up the autograph stations? I bought a Kubel game used bat and had him sign it, and had Neshek sign my game used jersey.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 09:32 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 476

Rick,
Into your formula for OD, you also need to account for group sales. I've taken groups to OD and other games for the past 8 years, and I'm able to take a group half the size of last year's OD group this year. Granted, mine is only 25 seats, but there are probably many OD groups also in the tally.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 09:48 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 477

Just back from my first Twinsfest. Only because I got free tickets for being a new STH. After my autograph rant, I am sure nobody is surprised that I was disappointed in Twinsfest. It's basically a flea market. Although, to be fair, I have never been offered a hot dog for $5.75 at a flea market. I had trouble killing thirty minutes there without getting bored. Of course, my idea of a good time is not standing in line for a half hour to spin a wheel for some lame prize. Or standing in line for an hour or more to PAY somebody to sign their name. Far and away, the best part of the visit was learning that Mudcat Grant is still alive. Who knew? Looking pretty good, too!

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 10:19 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 478

It is worth the time at Twinsfest to wait in line for the AM1500 Crack the Code contest. You can listen to the radio stage interviews waiting your turn at entering a 5 digit guess to win season tickets (1 in a 100,000 chance). It seem to be over 95% got the consolation prize... a very nice beer glass with the inaugural season logo etched on it.  I got a pair in less than 30 minutes on Friday.  

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM by Buzz Highlight this comment 479

I had that "flea market" feeling, too, when I was there Friday night. Granted, had I never gone to Twinsfest before I probably would have felt different, but I've been there the past few years so nothing was new. As I walked out, I thought "I could definitely skip this next year." And that's too bad.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:09 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 480

The beauty of Twinsfest is simply being surrounded by baseball when it's near zero. Yes, the lines are unbearable (which is why I don't stand in any), food is high-priced as always, but the vibe is unbeatable. Baseball all-around, how can you not like that?

Plus, how often do you get to see Clyde Doepner's great memorabilia displays AND Harmon's HOF plaque? Not to mention meeting the ballpark's Executive chef??

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 481

TTH - I can kinda agree with you on skipping next year. Although it was fun, you're right, not too much changed from last year when I went. I was thinking that myself as I was walking out of the Dome Friday night, "i might skip next year", but the reality of it is, TwinsFest is a fun event...it's nice to think about baseball in the dead of winter - and when it boils down to it, I'll still probably go next year.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:46 AM by luke Highlight this comment 482

If you guys/gals need a winter baseball fix, I can't stress enough what a great time Spring Training is. Once you go down to Fort Myers, you want to go back every Feb/March. Rent a condo in Ft Myers/Naples and hop a Sun Country flight direct down to SW FLA. The 80 degree days are a virtual guarantee. You can wander the Lee County Sports Complex freely. See the minor leaguers and often run into Twins personnel on the back fields (Jim Rantz, Tom Kelly, Terry Ryan, Paul Molitor, Rob Antony etc).

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 12:36 PM by Max Highlight this comment 483

Rick - thanks for your example - I understand they are made up numbers BUT NO WAY could you have 80K account holders (STH) - theoretically, sure, if the Twins only sold 20 game plans and every STH was unique and only bought one seat. Obviously not the case.

I suspect that the number of full season plans is around 11K. I don't think the bulk of the partial plans are 40 games - I would expect between a 1/4 and a 1/3, with the rest being 20s. And, as someone else pointed out, you didn't consider groups, although from what I've been told, very little was held for groups for OD and even that was only for groups that had been active with the club for 10+ years (which means I think there are/will be very little sold for groups for Opening Day, more so for the other two Boston games).

It would be interesting to know the actual numbers, but since clubs guard that info like it was a state secret, we may never know.

I suspect that the 2000 reserved figure is a bit high - most of those will be in the Home Plate Box area (including the MLB gold ticket seats) and the unsold LC seats.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 1:26 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 484

Twins Fest this year - my daughter just said the same thing - felt more like a flea market. Long lines today for autographs, the curator display was a great idea, but poorly executed. Seeing the model again was cool, but a little anti-climatic after had the private viewing last summer.

Much more exciting last year. Maybe that was just the crowd on a Sunday morning though.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 1:31 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 485

Twinsfest view from another non-autograph seeker.

1) Took the light rail for the first time. Jumped on at the Metrodone and rode it over to Target field and back. I couldn't pass up the opportunity to take some more photos while there.
2) Stopped at the metro transit booth to check out the gameday commuting options. Solid info from people that know the answers.
3) Had my photo taken with both the 87 and 91 world series trophies.
4) Talked with a rep about the "my ticket" demonstration. We won't have access to it until our tickets are printed in March, but we could actually see and use all of the options that we will have in March.
5) nice to see a number of players around the dome giving interviews and signing autographs.
6) Learned to appreciate people that can actually sing the national anthem.
Although probably not worth $12 a ticket, I was able to get my wife some what interested in Baseball in January. She didn't complain once even though the radio was tuned to AM1500 and the twinsfest broadcast the entire drive to the dome and back home. That has not happened in a long time.

Buzz, I wish you would have mentioned about the crack the code contest before I went. I would have been happy with a couple of Twins beer steins.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 1:34 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 486

Whatever Doepner has on display is generally well worthwhile and the proximity to bona fide baseball legends - Tony-O was wandering around pretty much aimlessly - is kind of neat. Stuff at the "flea market" tables is grievously overpriced (one guy had a 2009 ST bobblehead set for $150 - thirty yards away the Twins were selling the same set for $20). I am always amazed that anyone spends much time at those tables, and wonder what happens to the prices as the end of the Fest nears. The auction stuff is fun to view but, again, hideously overpriced. I always get a $15 "grab bag" just for grins and there are usually bargains to be found (clearance items) at the "Pro Shop" if you can find your size in whatever catches your eye. I interrogated the head food service guy about the Murray's sandwich. He stridently assured me that it would be the genuine article but it would not be the first time I was handed a bag of BS by someone who is employed by the Twins. Also picked up a great book on the "Old Met" straight from the author who was signing them. I think that the Fest is kind of the official start of the "Start Thinking Baseball" season but, like the State Fair, it can be missed without undue damage to one's life.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 1:52 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 487

minn55441 - can you expand on what My Tickets will provide and what the demo was? I missed that and there's not really much info when you log on to your account.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 2:03 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 488

JFH -- I did the MyTickets demo as well. The stuff they are going to add in March includes being able to see (and presumably print if you wish) all of your tickets for the entire season. From that interface, you can transfer tickets to any email address, where that person can accept them and print them. No more getting tickets you can't use into the mail or running them across town...just push a button. Charge is $2 per ticket, but you get to designate 2 email addresses for unlimited, free transfers throughout the season.

The same interface will allow you to put tickets up on StubHub, though the demo I saw really just kicks you into StubHub space to do the transaction. Still, a good addition. StubHub is allowing electronic delivery of tickets as well. Both of these features will be released in March...the button isn't even available on the current interface.

Though they aren't advertising this yet (and won't be available in 2010), the next step is to be able to access your tickets on your mobile device, and have them scan the bar code right from your phone. You'll always have access to your tickets (providing you aren't on Iphone/AT&T -- then you are at the mercy of the ATT network. Good luck!).

I went to TwinsFest both Saturday and Sunday morning. I thought Saturday was much more electric, and had a wider variety of players there -- Morneau, Mauer, Thome, Carew, and so on. Seeing the crowd respond to Mauer as he walked between autographs and interviews was simply amazing. Sunday morning did have more of that flea market feel, though Span, Baker, and Nathan were all very accessible. Watching Saturday Sports Talk and all the players is an enjoyable morning.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 4:48 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 489

(providing you aren't on Iphone/AT&T -- then you are at the mercy of the ATT network. Good luck!).

Oh great...Why wouldn't it work on a Iphone?

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 5:25 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 490

Oh, it will. I was just taking a dig at the AT&T service. Can't you see yourself strolling up to Target Field and getting no service to download your barcode?

Actually, didn't I hear there will be wi-fi throughout TF? If so, problem solved!

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 6:41 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 491

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but DSP said on Friday night during the Q&A session that the gates would be opening 3 hours early for the inaugural game on April 12 meaning the gates will be open at noon for those lucky enough to be there.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 6:52 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 492

Anybody know when they will get moving on the retractable roof? There's only 2 months left and it's freezing out!

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 8:10 PM by robin Highlight this comment 493

HAHA,,,,Average high for April 12th is 56 degrees...I'll be in shorts,,It'll be like a heat wave...

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 8:29 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 494

Hey JFH,

Sorry you missed the "my tickets" demo. It was right next to the group ticket sales area. I had always assumed that some other people had access to "my tickets" but for some reason, mine hadn't been activated yet. What I was told by the rep at the group ticket display is that our tickets will become available in "my tickets", when our tickets are actually printed. Depending on what type of plan you bought, it will occur sometime in March. (I didn't want to get into the "who's first the full guys vs the partial")

While at the demo screen, all of your tickets will be organized for you with icons next to them. It will really help as you try and keep them organized. It will have a different icon for ticket that you have not used, transferred through email, have for sale on stubhub, sold on stubhub, etc. If you access stubhub through your "my tickets" account it will automatically populate stubhub with all of your tickets and again, it will list the status of all of your tickets. This will be very nice in that you will not have to spend the time entering all of the dates and other info if you do plan on selling some of your games. I did not know this about stubhub, but you can have a starting price for your tickets and then also list a lowest selling price and then plug in a specific time frame you want the tickets to gradually move to that lower price. After talking with her about it though, I don't think I will use that feature. She mentioned that 60% of all of the tickets sold on stubhub are sold in the final 48 hours prior to the event.

When you receive your actual tickets in the mail, you can not print copies of them through "my tickets". You do have two e-mail addresses that you can transfer as many tickets as you would like to free of charge. Additional tickets can be sent to other addresses for a $2 fee. Once you transfer the tickets by e-mail, your existing tickets bar codes become void. This can not be reversed. I promised my boss that I would sell him a few games, I will have to make sure he really wants that specific game before I send him the e-mail. I will be saving the other e-mail specifically to print the tickets for myself. If I get stuck at work and can't make it home to pick up the tickets, I can access "my tickets" and send myself an email and print out the tickets without having to run home. The same would hold true if I can't find a specific set of tickets. Just send them to myself in the form of an e-mail.

Sorry I can't remember more of the details. This post has turned out to be way to long anyway. The people with groups will love "my tickets" and the control it will give them in managing their tickets.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 495

Cabrera to the Redlegs.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 9:23 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 496

minn55441 - thanks for the detail. Doesn't sound like anything new, just new to the Twins. I do like the $2 fee for e-transfer - don't like fees, but that's about 1/2 of the others I know.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 9:31 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 497

Gardy is on Rosen Sports Sunday tonight and a brief tour of Target Field.

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:00 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 498

Haha whoever mentioned seeing Anthony Carter at a Chuck E Cheese...I once saw him at a strip club. The Vu...had a stack of what looked like $1,000 in 5's (used to be a bank teller)

My plan for opening day ticks is this--20 game plan and didnt do it early enough to get the 2. Me and 2 others got some off of Stubhub for $130 that are in the upper level but not too bad. We each registered for the lotto. If one of us wins we'll buy 4 and then just re-sell the tickets we have for the same price. I'm fine with spending $130, I just wanna be there. Thats my plan anyway...see ya there!

Posted on January 31, 2010 at 11:35 PM by DVS2008 Highlight this comment 499

I dont see what all you guys are bitching about twinsfest??? it is not a game... of course they are selling stuff, it is pushed as the biggest memrobilia show in the midwest, i went on sat... we got hot dogs 2 for a3.50 .. yummmmm beer was only 4 bucks!!!! i got my pic taken with bob feller while he signed a mock huge 1948 world series ticket for 35 bucks.. think of it this man struck out joey d, the mick...and many many more and i got to talk to him for 10 mins and bought some stuff off him for 35 bucks...seems like a deal to me..

also , dont hate but i am afraid to say i got a pic taken with blly smith, ust as dumb as can be!! but he was nice atleast, my buddy made me do it.

Twinsfest is not about what alot of folks here want it to be, it is about giving us a lil shot of baseball in the winter months and getting us ready for the spring.. it is what it is... you dont have to buy a thing and still have fun... i spent 15 bucks on going into the pressbox and doing play by play for about 20 mins and they put it on a dvd for me... thats golden...you dont go to a movie expecting to get free popcorn do you?

Posted on February 1, 2010 at 01:00 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 500


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